00:00:51.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:57.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:46.000And we're going to go through some of the specifics because what happened is that you were put on the sidelines for what, three, four months.
00:01:52.000You weren't even allowed to do your job because you had to fight all this crap.
00:01:56.000I want to go through some of the specifics, though, for our national audience.
00:02:54.000And Dave Phelan got a deal with the Democrats.
00:02:57.000And the Democrats, House Democrats, I believe, did this for Joe Biden and the Washington Democrats to take me out because we filed 48 lawsuits against him.
00:03:06.000And so it looks like the Republicans did it.
00:03:09.000The reality is the Democrats motivated it.
00:03:11.000Dave Phelan is controlled by the Democrats.
00:04:27.000So, it's we're getting outsmarted in the House.
00:04:30.000The Republicans should block vote themselves and decide which Republican they want, but that's not the way it works.
00:04:35.000The Democrats get together, they align all of their votes.
00:04:40.000And if you think about it, you need 76 votes.
00:04:42.000The Speaker's going to vote for himself.
00:04:44.000He only needs 10 Republican votes with the Democrats.
00:04:47.000And so, it's pretty easy once you have 66 votes to get there because then he tells 10 Republicans, hey, I'll make you chair of this, I'll make you chair of this, and it's a done deal.
00:04:57.000So, it's control, it's stupid, but we've let the Democrats do this for over a decade where they control.
00:05:03.000And you can see the difference between the Texas Senate and Texas House.
00:05:06.000With Dan Patrick in charge, the Texas Senate is very conservative, does really good things for Texas.
00:05:11.000The Texas House, on the other hand, has Democratic chairs.
00:05:14.000They don't get a lot of good things done for the state of Texas.
00:05:17.000They block a lot of good legislation, both by Governor Abbott, who's trying to get school choice done, and they've been blocking many things done by the Senate that Governor Patrick's tried to get done.
00:05:26.000So, Ken, just one final thought on this, and I want to get to the work that you're doing because that's the most important thing.
00:05:31.000You said this with Tucker Carlson, but it's worth repeating: how this was really a Bush family-driven operation and how the people spoke and they were able to push back against it.
00:05:40.000Add a little bit more to that, more context, please.
00:05:43.000So, we in this process, we were getting information.
00:05:46.000We they finally had to disclose emails, and there was there were definitely connections between Karl Rove, George P. Bush, obviously, pushed by Karl Rove in the last election against me, and a group called Texans for Lawsuit Reform, which is supposedly a Republican group, but they've aligned in the Bush camp.
00:06:04.000And that's two guys named Dick Victor Bolshe and Dick Weakley, who have spent millions of dollars to take people like me out.
00:06:11.000Carl Rose participated in this, and George P. was supposed to be their guy.
00:06:16.000And it's interesting because he went to get his license literally the day that these guys turned me over for supposedly violating the law to the FBI, who I was investigating, by the way, for breaking the law.
00:06:26.000And there's no doubt that there's a connection between the ex-employees who also got emails and text messages from Carl Rove, Carl Rove, Texans for Lawsuit Reform, the Bushes.
00:06:41.000What are the lawsuits you're filing and the things that you want to bring to completion?
00:06:45.000Well, everybody can see what's going on in the border.
00:06:47.000It's not gotten any better since I left.
00:06:49.000Unfortunately, you know, with the four months out, we were stopped in our progress, but we are looking at many things along the border to try to fight back the Biden administration's unlawful activity.
00:07:00.000We're also going down to look at Liberty County, which is where this village or city has been set up that's been growing like crazy.
00:07:08.000And there's all kinds of crime there, there's all kinds of difficulties there.
00:07:11.000We're going to try to figure out how we can stop that.
00:07:13.000Obviously, I've only been back for a week, so I've got a lot of catching up to do.
00:07:18.000I can promise you this: whatever we can do in those situations, we are going to do.
00:07:22.000And we're going to continue our investigation of big pharma.
00:07:24.000We had an investigation of some of the vaccine manufacturers potentially lying to Texas consumers and to the world about the efficacy of their vaccine.
00:07:33.000So, we've got a lot to do along with finishing our lawsuits against big tech.
00:07:38.000And look, this is Ken, can you just remind our audience the size of your office?
00:07:43.000It is the largest AG's office in the country, isn't it?
00:08:45.000We have the Court of Criminal Appeals that is the final say on criminal matters, and we have the Texas Prime Court that is the final say on civil matters.
00:08:51.000The Court of Criminal Appeals is Republican, but largely unknown.
00:08:58.000And I think we need to change that court because they struck down the only statute that allowed me to prosecute any type of criminal activity, which was voter fraud, which we were doing.
00:09:07.000We had over 900 cases of real voter fraud that we were investigating or prosecuting.
00:09:12.000Now all of that is stopped and it's up to the local DAs, who again are largely Soros funded in the bigger cities.
00:09:19.000And so voter fraud now is not being prosecuted.
00:09:21.000That is a huge risk to my state in the future.
00:09:24.000And we will lose the state if we don't stop voter fraud.
00:09:27.000Are you then able to do the investigation and hand it off to a local sheriff or DA?
00:09:34.000Are you able to do the legwork and say, hey, you know, we believe there's a crime here and then work in harmony?
00:09:39.000Because that's similar to what a lot of the Democrat states are doing, New York being one of them.
00:09:45.000We're trying, but a lot of these DAs won't prosecute it.
00:09:48.000So we used to have the authority both to investigate and to prosecute.
00:09:52.000And by the way, they struck down the law saying that because I was in the executive branch, the Attorney General is an executive, that I didn't have the authority to go to court because that is a judicial function.
00:10:04.000And if that's true, then every state attorney general is doing something illegal under their Constitution as well as the U.S. Attorney General.
00:10:19.000You can protect the people of Texas, but to actually investigate crime, they've neutered you.
00:10:24.000I want to explore that more because it's very unusual and it actually puts you at a disadvantage versus other AGs in other states that have that kind of criminal investigative authority.
00:12:28.000In Eagle Pass, Texas, where just moments ago, customs and border protection cut a hole through the Consentina wire that has been stretched by Texas DPS along the border there to allow migrants to come through.
00:12:41.000It was initially a group of about 60 to 70 people.
00:12:44.000It swelled to some 300 very, very quickly.
00:12:48.000Okay, so Ken, let's just get into some detail here.
00:12:51.000You have the largest Republican AG's office.
00:12:54.000It's complicated because you don't have all the investigative powers of other states.
00:12:59.000But just to kind of go back through this, what specifically are you now going to do with the authority granted to stop the invasion of the great state of Texas?
00:13:09.000So I just, that clip, I is shocking to me that the federal government would clip our wire to allow people to come in illegally.
00:13:19.000In other words, not only are they doing their own thing, but they're actually stopping us from protecting our border and our lands in Texas.
00:13:28.000We're looking at every available angle.
00:13:30.000We've got about two or three lawsuits that we're looking at, and specifically one related to them damaging our property and forbidding us from keeping illegals from coming into the country.
00:13:39.000So I can guarantee you we've got more lawsuits coming as it relates to immigration, and we're going to do everything we can to stop this.
00:13:46.000And so let's, this is, I'm able to, I'm a talk show guy and you're a lawyer, so you have to be more focused or very careful when he says, I think this is treason.
00:13:55.000I mean, the federal government is actively co-sponsoring the entrance of non-citizens into the country, and it's not getting any better.
00:14:03.000And so, Ken, is there any precedent where the federal government willingly doesn't do its job and it damages a sovereign state?
00:14:10.000And if so, how can you deal with that?
00:14:22.000I've never seen the federal government, our country, affirmatively help basically the cartels because that's the business model, right?
00:14:30.000The cartels bring people to the federal government.
00:14:33.000The federal government transports them and they also aid and abet their drug trafficking, fentanyl trafficking.
00:14:39.000I've never seen them actually damage our property to allow illegals to come in.
00:14:44.000And so this is a new thing for us that we're looking at, trying to figure out how do we stop the federal government from one, aiding and abetting, but also actually damaging our property to help the illegals get in.
00:15:10.000And the federal government, they're actually going through and cutting the wire, Ken.
00:15:15.000That's what's insane, is they're actually cutting the wire to allow the foreigners to come in.
00:15:20.000Talk about how you are taking aim at this illegal city that's been created in Houston.
00:15:26.000It's a bizarre story, but this seems to be a primary focus of yours.
00:15:31.000Yes, let me go back to real quickly this case, Arizona v. U.S., that you know about is fundamental to changing this because part of the reason we're in such a difficult spot is, you know, 10 years ago when Arizona tried to protect themselves with state law because the federal government wouldn't, Obama sued the state of Arizona and they came in and said, basically, the Supreme Court under Justice Kennedy, right, in the opinion, with Justice Roberts joining the liberals,
00:15:56.000said that the state could not pass their own laws if the federal government had laws that were similar.
00:16:04.000The federal government can pass a law, then ignore their own law and say, well, you can't enforce your laws because we have laws that we're not enforcing.
00:16:15.000So I've encouraged the legislature or the governor to do something that would violate that and let us take another crack at it now that the court has changed.
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00:18:51.000How and why can this legally be described as an invasion and why does that categorization matter?
00:18:56.000Well, the invasion clause primarily matters in two contexts.
00:19:01.000The first would be in Article 4, Section 4, and the ability of states to, in the invocation of that clause, to demand relief from the federal government, and then the constitutional principle would flow from that,
00:19:16.000that if the government declined, it's actually called the guarantee clause, that if the government declined to fulfill its guarantee under the U.S. Constitution, that the state would then be authorized to unilaterally defend its territory and to stop the invasion.
00:19:34.000It also matters in another context, which is the 14th Amendment, Section 3, and that would be that Joe Biden is actually ineligible to run for president because he'd be disqualified for aiding and embedding an insurrection against the United States.
00:19:49.000So it has significant legal meaning for both of those reasons.
00:19:53.000Yeah, and so Greg Abbott declared an invasion in November of 2022, just about a year ago.
00:19:59.000But Stephen, he's done really nothing to stop it except some razor wire and some things in the river.
00:20:04.000Talk about how and why the states need to step up and take this into their own hands and tell the federal government to get out of the way.
00:20:11.000Yeah, so I'll be blunt in saying that if Texas were to act unilaterally to repel the invasion, it would be the action that would be required would be of a scope and scale beyond what I think many people realize or appreciate.
00:20:31.000Because what you'd really be talking about having to do is switching from a blocking strategy, which is what they're doing right now.
00:20:41.000So, you know, put up some razor wire here, put a show of force over there, put cars and trucks where applicable, make trespassing arrests and so forth, to a detain and remove strategy.
00:20:55.000But because of the logistical challenges involved in removing, you would need to build, which of course I would support doing, you would need to build an extremely large holding area for illegal immigrants that at any given point in time, you know, could hold upwards of 50, 60, 70,000 illegal aliens while you are waiting to send them someplace somewhere that would be willing to accept them.
00:21:21.000Even if you push them across the border, they're going to run back across, so you have to have some place to detain them.
00:21:27.000So that I presume on the third or fourth attempt of a legal immigrant to cross, who's then pushed back, who ends up in a detention center, they would stop trying.
00:21:36.000But that is the kind of infrastructure that they would have to build.
00:21:40.000The other issue is that they would then have to make sure to protect their own law enforcement officers from arrest and prosecution.
00:21:49.000Because my presumption is that the DOJ would begin prosecuting state officials for deprivation of civil rights and the other kinds of exotic federal charges that you've seen Garland's DOJ bring up to go after conservatives.
00:22:05.000I could even imagine them charging state troopers with kidnapping and things of that nature.
00:22:09.000So obviously, in the event where you invoke the guarantee clause and the federal government disregards that invocation and then you take action unilaterally as a state, you have to be prepared to do the full suite of activity that I've described and be aware of the fact, again, that the Department of Justice, presumably, that has been unwilling to use any kind of force to stop the border invasion, would indeed use force to try to arrest and incarcerate your state law enforcement officers.
00:22:40.000Yeah, and so is there anything, so first of all, that's really well said.
00:22:43.000And the Department of Justice, Merritt Garland, Joe Biden, they wouldn't arrest the drug traffickers, the child sex traffickers, the fentanyl traffickers, the gun traffickers.
00:22:50.000They would arrest the Texas sheriffs that are enforcing the law.
00:22:53.000Texas was once its own sovereign country with its own constitution.
00:23:01.000But Stephen, just from a moral standpoint, putting the legal issue aside, when your own state is being invaded and the federal government is co-sponsoring the invasion, don't you have a moral right to act and figure it out?
00:23:13.000Well, I think as others have said before, there's no such requirement in the Constitution for a state to commit suicide.
00:23:23.000And so while it's true that there is federal supremacy, and that's, of course, a bedrock principle of the U.S. Constitution, again, in an environment in which a state is being invaded and the federal government declines, not only declines to stop that invasion, but in fact does the opposite, marshals as resources to perpetuate that invasion, then the state at that point has the legal and yes, the moral right.
00:23:54.000I just want to keep the pace going here.
00:23:55.000When you were in the Trump White House then, what was the argument that San Francisco and Chicago used to not allow federal agents into their city for sanctuary cities?
00:24:05.000Isn't that a challenge to the supremacy clause?
00:24:07.000Why was San Francisco not, for example, or LA, saying feds are ICE not allowed, but Texas can't say we're going to secure our own border?
00:24:17.000I mean, indeed, when we went to court against sanctuary jurisdictions, most notably California, if my memory stories mean correct, one of the arguments we made is that their refusal to turn illegal aliens in custody over to the federal government violated the supremacy clause.
00:24:33.000Because again, we weren't talking about asking the state to go out and make arrests.
00:24:37.000We were asking states to engage in what are known as custody transfers, where they arrest an illegal alien in the context of committing a local crime, and then we find out that they're here illegally.
00:24:47.000And so we asked them to be turned over.
00:24:49.000And so they were actively harboring illegal aliens.
00:24:52.000In fact, they would go to great lengths to make sure that those illegal aliens could be released without us ever knowing when and where.
00:24:58.000And so they were concealing these criminal aliens from the federal government.
00:25:03.000And we argued that it violated the supremacy clause.
00:25:05.000But the judiciary, such as it existed at the time, again, if memory stories me correct, did not favor those arguments.
00:25:13.000Now, if you remember, well, as you remember, of course you remember, by the end of 2020, the Supreme Court, of course, went from a four-conservative minority to a five-conservative majority.
00:25:28.000So one would hope that if these questions were raised again in 2025, they would have a very different outcome.
00:25:34.000So, I mean, Stephen, but just to think a little creatively here, wouldn't Texas be able to say, well, we're a sanctuary state for the Constitution?
00:25:42.000I mean, this is, just use their own standard that has been set by these left-wing gangsters in black dresses.
00:25:57.000States defy federal guidance and federal law on the marijuana issue.
00:26:01.000They did this on gay marriage against DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act.
00:26:06.000So it's not the first example where the left finds wrinkles and state dissension against federal law or federal practice.
00:26:13.000Why don't we start to embrace some of that spirit when it comes to, I don't know, enforcing our border from an invasion?
00:26:20.000Well, I think that you could and should.
00:26:24.000The sad reality is that judges really don't care about consistency.
00:26:32.000A very large percentage of them care about outcomes.
00:26:35.000And so the Ninth Circuit judges ruling on questions related to California, of course, are completely outcome determined.
00:26:42.000And then the Fifth Circuit judges who would rule on issues relating to Texas would bend over backwards to try to appear neutral or to try to appear objective.
00:26:52.000And so as you know, better than most, oftentimes trying to appear neutral means, in fact, issuing the wrong ruling just to make a point.
00:27:02.000So I don't think that the judiciary is going to save us at this particular moment.
00:27:08.000I think that, again, Texas has sovereign rights that it can exercise.
00:27:15.000And I don't think they're going to, so it's a hypothetical.
00:27:17.000I don't think they're going to, but they should go into that if they do, clear-headed, understanding about the nature of the challenge they're going to have with the federal government.
00:27:25.000And then if there is a president in 2025 who is not of the left, then they would need to, of course, be issuing a number of pardons to a lot of people who may get caught up in various DOJ prosecutions in such a circumstance.
00:27:47.000Yeah, it's just basically what you're saying is that judges will make up whatever they want to get the outcome they want, but then they're going to rely on process to not stop the invasion.
00:27:56.000So, Stephen, what you're talking about is that the Texas House, the Texas governor, the entire Texas leadership Republican need to come together and say, we're doing this.
00:28:05.000And that might require a standoff with the federal government.
00:28:09.000This is where the U.S. House could actually come in and apply equal pressure, right?
00:28:13.000The United States House could have a top-down, bottom-up, almost a pincer movement where you have the Texas standing up to the federal government and the U.S. House of Representatives standing up for Texas, cutting off funding, cutting off the special projects of Joe Biden.
00:28:26.000But Stephen, that would require a serious Republican Party.
00:28:32.000Yeah, I mean, the bottom line, as you said, is that conservatives rely on process to protect themselves from criticism, thereby often arriving at the wrong result.
00:28:41.000And the left ignores process and is silly focused on arriving at the correct result.
00:28:47.000When those two forces meet each other over time, it ends predictably, which is that the right will lose almost all major legal disputes with sufficient passage of time.
00:28:56.000And so it is going to be incumbent upon the elected representatives of the state of Texas to assert their fundamental sovereign rights as a state and to understand that the constitutional crisis is not the implication of those rights.
00:29:12.000The constitutional crisis is what's happening right now, which is the absence of invoking those rights.
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00:30:39.000I want a immigration system that Israel has.
00:30:43.000Why does Israel get a wall, get borders?
00:30:44.000Why do they get to deport foreigners that commit crimes?
00:30:48.000Well, we don't because we are not a serious country and we are a suicidal country.
00:30:52.000Stephen, when I see the people come across the border, it demoralizes me.
00:30:55.000It's like this daily slit of my wrists.
00:30:58.000Every day somebody is like slitting my wrists to slow bleed of the Republic.
00:31:03.000Stephen, when Trump is president again as the 47th President of the United States, how do we deport 30 million people?
00:31:08.000Well, your first priority for deportation needs to be to send a message to the world and for many other reasons.
00:31:16.000It needs to be all of the illegal aliens who entered the country under Joe Biden so that you immediately send the message to the whole of the planet that because someday there of course will be another far-left president and that far-left president will open the border.
00:31:34.000And you need to send a message to the world that even if you come here, even if you get in, you're still going to be deported from the country.
00:31:42.000And we don't know how large that number is going to be.
00:31:44.000Of course, you'll pick up an enormous number of what they call collaterals when you're making those arrests.
00:31:48.000So you'd have to imagine, you know, if you went to, say, you raided like an agricultural plant that had, say, a meatpacking center that had one Biden illegal, you'd probably pick up 10 other illegals at the same time.
00:32:00.000So you'll get an enormous number of collaterals.
00:32:03.000But that number, and it's unknowably large because it's, of course, your releases, your gotaways, and then all of the people who are overstaying their visas, which nobody even talks about.
00:32:15.000But since ICE has been disabled from deporting visa overstays, there's millions more illegals that no one is even aware of or thinking about or even having a conversation about.
00:32:24.000In order to carry out a deportation operation of that scale, you would need to involve the U.S. military, which is why President Trump often talks about the Eisenhower model, where the last time the U.S. military was involved in a large-scale deportation operation.
00:32:41.000It's also the reason why President Trump has talked about invoking the Alien Enemies Act, which is a law that was passed in the late 18th century during the Adams presidency that allows you to instantaneously remove any non-citizen foreigner from an invading country age 14 or older.
00:33:07.000So it doesn't apply to the entire all the demographics of illegal alien groups, but it applies to those 14 and older.
00:33:17.000And so it would be particularly useful in contexts where you have large amounts of gang members and drug dealers and other criminal offenders who are overwhelmingly going to be over that age threshold.
00:33:29.000And so that allows you to suspend the due process that normally applies to a removal procedure.
00:33:36.000Most people don't realize who haven't worked in immigration enforcement how bureaucratic that process is or the fact that all illegal aliens have the ability under current practice and procedure not only to appeal their deportations, but if they get the right kind of lawyer and they get the right kind of judge, they can even get their deportation appealed into federal Article 3 appellate courts.
00:34:04.000In other words, out of the immigration courts, which are under DOJ and into regular federal court.
00:34:10.000And so you can have a single deportation for a single alien.
00:34:13.000Get all the way to the United States Supreme Court.
00:34:16.000That's how bureaucratic the system has become.
00:34:19.000And so you need to then invoke extraordinary powers to overcome that.
00:34:24.000And then you need to mobilize the U.S. military, state, federal, and local law enforcement to then carry out large-scale deportations across the whole country.
00:34:34.000And then you would need to build very large staging facilities to carry out the removals.
00:34:39.000Because logistically, what a lot of people don't think about or realize is that if a deportation team goes to a particular house and arrests an illegal alien family, so say a mother, a father, four children, there's not like there's a plane on a tarmac that's just like 10 minutes away ready to take them.
00:34:58.000And even if there was, it wouldn't be a very efficient use of resources, right, to have an entire chartered aircraft for a single family unit.
00:35:06.000So you have to then build massive staging facilities that you can efficiently remove people plane full at a time or where applicable bus load if it's going to go back to Mexico at a time.
00:35:17.000And so it would be an undertaking that would be greater than any national infrastructure project that we've done to date, but that's what we have to do.