The Charlie Kirk Show - February 08, 2024


Letter to the American Church


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Join in on the conversation with Eric Metaxas as he discusses his new film, Letter to the American Church. This is a film based on the book written and directed by Charlie Kirk, Letter To The American Church .

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, a very important conversation.
00:00:03.000 Lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:00:05.000 Lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:00:07.000 You've got to check it out right now with Eric Metaxas.
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00:00:14.000 It's amazing.
00:00:14.000 Go to lettertothamericanchurch.com.
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00:00:31.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:32.000 Here we go.
00:00:33.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:35.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:37.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:40.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:44.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:45.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:46.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
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00:01:31.000 Joining us now is a very serious man, deep thinker, philosopher for the ages.
00:01:35.000 He will go down in the pantheon of great thinkers of Aristotle, Socrates, Metaxas.
00:01:40.000 And he joins us now.
00:01:42.000 Mr. Metaxas, I was thinking of you the other day when they were saying that Watley might become RC chair.
00:01:47.000 I said, Watley, the dentist from Seinfeld, is going to become the RC chair.
00:01:51.000 Oh my gosh, we're going there.
00:01:54.000 You're an anti-dentite.
00:01:56.000 Listen, it's good to be with you, Charlie.
00:01:59.000 You are in the film we're going to talk about, Letter to the American Church.
00:02:05.000 I got to tell you, I'm very excited about this because it gives me hope for America.
00:02:12.000 So let's start with the trailer.
00:02:13.000 It's amazing, by the way.
00:02:14.000 Eric, you deserve great praise.
00:02:16.000 This book, Letter to the American Church, is such a beautiful contribution.
00:02:20.000 I mean this non-sarcastically, is unbelievable.
00:02:23.000 And we talked and some things happened, and now it's a movie.
00:02:26.000 And yada yada yada, it's now a movie.
00:02:29.000 And it's this amazing film.
00:02:30.000 Let's play the trailer, Eric.
00:02:32.000 It's really great.
00:02:33.000 And we're honored at TPSA Faith to help do, you know, help bring this to fruition.
00:02:37.000 Let's play to Cut 52.
00:02:40.000 I'm convinced that the American church has arrived at a significant moment of truth.
00:02:51.000 We are only 75, 80 years removed from three separate regimes that killed 60 to 70 million people intentionally.
00:02:59.000 The parallels with where the American church is now to where the German church stood in the face of the Nazi regime are unavoidable and grim.
00:03:18.000 Churches need to understand really what Marxism is, which is to destroy the church, to destroy the word of God.
00:03:23.000 So if you capture the seminaries, you capture the pastors, you capture the laity, you capture the soul of the world.
00:03:31.000 Christianity is not just about saying Jesus loves you and then going to heaven one day, but that there's a war that's raging.
00:03:40.000 The church is weakening, which is why Marxism is ascendant in America today.
00:03:48.000 This is the hour of the American church.
00:03:56.000 So huge news, everybody.
00:03:57.000 This is now a motion picture film.
00:04:00.000 So, Eric, just before I forget, how can people watch it?
00:04:03.000 We'll plug this throughout the hour together, but I want to make sure we repeat that.
00:04:07.000 The main thing people can do and should do is go to letterto theamericanchurch.com.
00:04:12.000 If you go to lettertotothamericanchurch.com, everything is there.
00:04:17.000 We're hoping that people do free screenings in their churches.
00:04:21.000 And I say, if your church is not interested in a free screening, why are you interested in that church?
00:04:28.000 But it's on Epic TV, but everything is available.
00:04:31.000 If you go to lettertoteamericanchurch.com, everything is there, including a list of the free screenings and churches.
00:04:37.000 I'm excited about this, Charlie.
00:04:38.000 You know, you say it's a film.
00:04:40.000 I wrote a book.
00:04:41.000 I didn't make this film.
00:04:43.000 The people who made this film made an amazing film.
00:04:45.000 This is not another conservative documentary.
00:04:48.000 It's so well made.
00:04:49.000 It's gripping.
00:04:50.000 It's just beautifully done.
00:04:52.000 I think it sets the bar higher for films of this kind.
00:04:56.000 But this is not about a film.
00:04:57.000 This is about a movement to save America for God's purposes.
00:05:01.000 And the church needs to get involved.
00:05:04.000 Most of the church is still playing church, just as the German church was playing church, thinking, you know what? 0.98
00:05:10.000 We don't want to get involved.
00:05:11.000 Well, God will judge you for looking the other way when evil is rising.
00:05:16.000 It is the job of the church first to be the conscience of the state. 0.92
00:05:20.000 And if you're going to a church that doesn't get that, I would get out of that church.
00:05:24.000 So, yeah, let's take a step back and tell the story here.
00:05:27.000 So one of the main contentions that you write in the book and that is highlighted in the film is the eerie parallels and symmetry.
00:05:36.000 And you're uniquely positioned.
00:05:38.000 You wrote the most popular, one of the most popular books of the last decade, the Bonhoeffer book.
00:05:43.000 It's over a million copies sold.
00:05:44.000 Is that right, Eric?
00:05:45.000 Am I correct?
00:05:47.000 Yeah, and it's been translated into 20 languages.
00:05:50.000 There's a Bonhoeffer film coming out in November.
00:05:54.000 Angel Studios will be distributing it.
00:05:56.000 But the reason for the popularity of my Bonhoeffer book is because you read a true story.
00:06:02.000 I mean, it's not like I made it up.
00:06:03.000 It's a true story of a man who saw what was happening in the church in Germany and tried desperately, like a prophetic voice, to wake up the church and to say to the church, church, it is your job to speak against this evil, to stand against this evil, to act against this evil.
00:06:19.000 You need to put your faith into action now.
00:06:21.000 If you do it now, we can defeat the Nazis. 0.97
00:06:25.000 And most in the church at that time said, you know what?
00:06:29.000 Nah, we're going to take a pass.
00:06:31.000 We're going to take this kind of safe third way.
00:06:33.000 We're just going to stay neutral.
00:06:35.000 They didn't realize that by sitting on the fence, the devil owns the fence and he loves you when you sit on the fence in a church and you kind of think, we're safe.
00:06:43.000 We're just doing the religious thing.
00:06:44.000 We're just doing church.
00:06:45.000 And we know what happened.
00:06:47.000 It was like a nightmare.
00:06:48.000 Most of us can't even look at what happened in the death camps.
00:06:50.000 It's so evil.
00:06:51.000 It happened because of the silence and inaction of many good Christians who got it wrong.
00:06:57.000 And my contention is that that is precisely where the American church is.
00:07:02.000 The parallels really are eerie because the German church was convinced that that evil could not happen in Germany.
00:07:09.000 They were convinced.
00:07:10.000 They would have done something if they knew where it was going, but they were simply convinced, how bad can it get?
00:07:15.000 I think there are many Americans that just feel like, you know what, I don't need to do anything.
00:07:19.000 I think it'll resolve itself.
00:07:21.000 You know, the pendulum swings both ways.
00:07:23.000 They don't seem to understand that the pendulum swings to the death camps, to the murder of millions, to the demonization of groups.
00:07:30.000 You know, right now it's Jews, patriotic Americans, MAGA movement people, serious Christians are being demonized.
00:07:40.000 If you're not involved in the fight against that, you're part of that problem.
00:07:44.000 And so it's kind of a chilling thing to think about that we're here now.
00:07:49.000 So, Eric, I'm going to say what you just said differently, which needs to be repeated.
00:07:54.000 Are you saying that Christians were partially to blame for the Holocaust because they did nothing?
00:08:01.000 No, I'm not saying that.
00:08:02.000 I'm saying they were absolutely totally to blame for the Holocaust. 0.99
00:08:06.000 Think of this.
00:08:07.000 If you are a Christian, you don't have any excuse.
00:08:11.000 You claim that you believe Jesus defeated death on the cross.
00:08:14.000 So I can live out my faith and I can speak the truth without fear.
00:08:18.000 People in countries, you know, for two millennia and around the world today are living their faith out, risking their lives.
00:08:26.000 Why would it be okay when God calls you to risk your life or at least to speak up, to risk your job, you know, to be silent?
00:08:36.000 Well, the American church is being silent today.
00:08:40.000 And I'm saying, without a doubt, Bonhoeffer was saying to the German church, you are responsible for what happens in this country. 0.99
00:08:48.000 And Charlie, there's no doubt in my mind.
00:08:51.000 I mean, it's simply not really arguable.
00:08:54.000 If the German church had spoken up, and again, some did, the numbers are in the film and in my book.
00:09:00.000 There are about 18,000 Lutheran pastors, 18,000, 3,000 were heroic. 0.94
00:09:06.000 3,000 were totally pro-Nazi, totally evil, totally in bed with, you know, it's kind of like in bed with woke ideology, 100%, you know, in bed with transgender lunacy. 0.98
00:09:16.000 You put those churches to the side. 0.86
00:09:18.000 In the middle, 12,000 German pastors who said, we're going to stay neutral.
00:09:25.000 We're going to do nothing.
00:09:26.000 We don't want to be with those hotheads over there that say we need to stand against the Nazis.
00:09:30.000 We're just going to stay right here where it's safe.
00:09:32.000 There is no doubt that if any number of those quote unquote in the middle had done something, the nightmare of the death camps could have been averted.
00:09:43.000 I mean, that's why Bonhoeffer was so vocal, because he knew that the church was the only institution in Germany that had the cultural power to stand against the Nazis.
00:09:52.000 If they had done it, especially in the beginning, it would have been a different story, dramatically different story, because we think of the Nazis, we think of the death camps right away.
00:10:01.000 None of that happened till the 40s, the death camps.
00:10:04.000 The final solution.
00:10:05.000 It was the last years of the war.
00:10:08.000 All of that could have been avoided in 1933, 34.
00:10:13.000 That's when the church had a chance to do something.
00:10:17.000 And by dithering and saying, not our job, not our job, just going to stay in our lane, just going to do church, just going to preach the gospel.
00:10:22.000 Because of that, the Nazis were able to seize control. 0.94
00:10:26.000 And when the church finally began to wake up, it was too late.
00:10:29.000 That's where we are in America.
00:10:31.000 This is a deeply profound point that we're going to build out, Eric, which is evil is ever present in our world.
00:10:37.000 And when we look at who to blame, if Christians are around, it's the Christian to blame if they don't stand against the evil. 0.99
00:10:46.000 And that's a different attitude that you don't hear because people will say, well, the Holocaust, who's to blame?
00:10:52.000 Obviously, the Nazis were the ones that did the evil, but who were the ones that had power, that knew better, that sat on the sidelines, refereed it, and turned the other way. 0.56
00:11:01.000 Can you elaborate on that?
00:11:02.000 Because that is an attitude that most Christians don't have in the West today.
00:11:06.000 They say, well, evil is evil, not my problem as a Christian.
00:11:11.000 Rarely in the counting or the telling or the teaching of the Holocaust, which resulted in millions and millions and millions of people dead, which remember, lots of Christians died in the Holocaust too.
00:11:22.000 This is very important that there were a lot of people that were killed in the Holocaust.
00:11:27.000 And so, so, Eric, it's the Christians that should be blamed if they do nothing. 0.98
00:11:34.000 That is the attitude we must have.
00:11:36.000 Well, my point, I mean, first of all, that's how Bonhoeffer saw it.
00:11:40.000 Like, he said, Look, I don't know what to tell my pagan neighbor who believes nothing, but if you're a Christian, you dare to call yourself a Christian. 0.95
00:11:50.000 Means you believe Jesus defeated death on the cross and he has come to live inside you to give you the power to live the way he wants you to live, to say what you want to say.
00:12:02.000 And if you don't do that, it proves you don't actually believe that.
00:12:07.000 So Bonhoeffer's point, he always talked about cheap grace because it's kind of like when people throw around the term in Germany, they would throw around the term grace.
00:12:15.000 We're all under grace, effectively meaning we don't need to do anything.
00:12:18.000 We're all under grace.
00:12:19.000 Today, people say, doesn't matter what I do.
00:12:22.000 I believe I'm saved by faith.
00:12:24.000 And I think, yeah, okay.
00:12:25.000 And it's kind of what Bonhoeffer said, yeah, you're saved by faith.
00:12:28.000 You better be sure it's real faith.
00:12:30.000 And the scripture says faith without works is dead.
00:12:32.000 So if you're not living heroically, if you're not living courageously into your, what you claim your faith stands for, then it's obviously you don't really believe what you claim to believe.
00:12:46.000 And that's the shock is that people act like, well, it's faith.
00:12:49.000 It's faith.
00:12:50.000 Yes, it is.
00:12:51.000 But is your faith real?
00:12:52.000 Or is it some intellectual construct that you don't actually believe?
00:12:56.000 Because, you know, the word faith is sort of a bad translation.
00:12:58.000 It's almost like trust would be better, right?
00:13:01.000 If I trust in God genuinely, then I'm going to live.
00:13:04.000 People are going to look at me and they're going to see he trusts in God.
00:13:08.000 He knows that his job, his life, his career, everything is from God.
00:13:15.000 He can trust God with his job.
00:13:17.000 He can trust God with his career.
00:13:19.000 He can trust God with his family.
00:13:20.000 All he has to do is worry about what God wants him to do.
00:13:23.000 But if you don't really believe that God's going to intervene, if you don't really believe the gift of the job that you have comes from God, you're going to say, well, maybe I need to disobey God in this small thing because I need that job.
00:13:36.000 And that's what many Germans did who call themselves Christians. 0.86
00:13:39.000 And Bonhoeffer knew that this was the time.
00:13:41.000 This was the test for German Christians. 0.58
00:13:44.000 Do you actually believe what you claim to believe or are you simply playing church?
00:13:48.000 Are you simply going to that building and doing church, but not being the church?
00:13:53.000 He knew that this was real.
00:13:55.000 And look, it's just like today, Charlie.
00:13:57.000 People say, well, I don't want to be political.
00:13:58.000 They have this idea, which is a lie, completely unbiblical. 0.92
00:14:02.000 It's a lie that I'm not supposed to be political.
00:14:05.000 And you think, well, what world do you live in?
00:14:07.000 If slavery is on the ballot, what do you think?
00:14:10.000 You think God has an opinion on slavery?
00:14:12.000 Yes, he does.
00:14:13.000 And he expects those who love him to vote that way, to advocate for Abraham Lincoln versus his opponent.
00:14:20.000 And, you know, there were many even then who said, like, well, no, we don't do politics.
00:14:24.000 We just do church.
00:14:25.000 God will judge us.
00:14:26.000 We have to live out our faith.
00:14:27.000 And right now, you know, listen, the election that's coming up, if the church of Jesus Christ would vote for the right candidate and advocate for the right candidate, guess what?
00:14:40.000 We will have freedom.
00:14:42.000 We will drain the deep state.
00:14:43.000 We will change the corrupt culture of Washington.
00:14:47.000 All of that stuff depends on the church being the church.
00:14:50.000 But if the church says, no, that's not my job, we're just going to, I just go to that building on Sunday morning and I have these thoughts in my head and I don't have to live out my faith.
00:14:58.000 Scripture commands us to love our neighbor.
00:15:00.000 If you don't advocate for the best candidate and if you don't get involved in that, you're effectively saying, you know what, I don't care about my neighbor that much.
00:15:13.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here from the New York Times best-selling author Eric Metaxas comes a riveting new film, Letter to the American Church.
00:15:19.000 The film explores the parallels between 1930s Nazi Germany, Mao and Stalin regimes, and the infiltration of cultural Marxism in America today.
00:15:27.000 The church's decision to stay out of politics undermines the very message of the gospel and its power to transform human existence.
00:15:32.000 Metaxas issues an urgent call to the church, stay silent and abandon the mission of proclaiming liberty or stand up to the forces of evil.
00:15:39.000 Join Eric and me and many others in the film as we explain how America and the church are at the precipice of destruction and the need to wake up and take action.
00:15:47.000 Do not miss this film.
00:15:49.000 Stream it February 8th on Epoch TV as part of Epoch Times.
00:15:53.000 Visit lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:15:55.000 That is lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:15:58.000 It's very well produced.
00:16:00.000 It's terrific.
00:16:00.000 It's letter to the American church.
00:16:02.000 We confront wokeism, we confront critical race theory, and we talk about what you, the believer, can do.
00:16:08.000 Go to lettertotheamericanchurch.com for more information.
00:16:14.000 Eric, some Christians will say, but it's just not morally clear which side is which, and how dare you compare the atrocities of the Holocaust versus what we're living through now.
00:16:28.000 How dare you, as Greta Thunberg said, I mean, look, that's exactly the point.
00:16:33.000 In 1933 and 34, the Holocaust was, you know, a dist, it was so distant, frankly, no one could see it. 0.81
00:16:42.000 So, what I'm talking about is what led to the Holocaust. 0.89
00:16:47.000 So, if you go back to Germany in 33 and 34, as the Nazis are rising, Bonhoeffer was saying, okay, church, if you stand now with everything you have, if you fight with everything you have and speak out and do what you can, we have a chance to avert a nightmare, which is down the road.
00:17:06.000 And most people said, What nightmare?
00:17:07.000 What are you talking about? 1.00
00:17:08.000 Are you crazy? 0.99
00:17:09.000 We now know what nightmare ensued from the inaction of the church in those early years. 0.89
00:17:16.000 And I really believe that's where we are now.
00:17:17.000 We're there now.
00:17:18.000 There's not a Holocaust in a year, but if we do nothing, if we lose an election to a compromised, corrupt administration, to a deep state that weaponizes our tax dollars against patriots, I mean, if we do nothing down the road, we're going to approach a kind of a globalist regime.
00:17:40.000 It's going to look more like a communist China. 0.68
00:17:43.000 And if you play ball, you'll be okay.
00:17:46.000 But if you dare to dissent, you will be crushed. 0.92
00:17:49.000 We know in China today that, you know, if you're a Uyghur Muslim or you're anybody that dissents from the regime, you'll be put in a concentration camp and they will harvest your organs.
00:17:59.000 I mean, this is happening now.
00:18:01.000 And so the idea that that could never happen in America is simply preposterous.
00:18:06.000 And that's why I really believe, you know, Bonhoeffer's message to the German church, it is just shockingly appropriate today. 0.82
00:18:13.000 And look, you and I are aware of pastors and churches that are either turning a blind eye to all this stuff, they just want to do church.
00:18:21.000 They want to pretend it's 1985.
00:18:22.000 We don't need to think about this stuff.
00:18:25.000 Or there are Christian leaders advocating for the church's silence on these things.
00:18:31.000 Don't, you know, don't celebrate if Roe v. Wade is overturned.
00:18:35.000 Don't tell your congregation they need to protest Drag Queen Story Hour.
00:18:40.000 They need to protest transgender lunacy in the public schools. 1.00
00:18:44.000 That is happening today.
00:18:46.000 And so the question is to people listening: are you going to a church like that?
00:18:49.000 Do you know people going to church like that?
00:18:50.000 Do you think God gives you a pass?
00:18:53.000 He didn't give the German church a pass.
00:18:54.000 I mean, what happened was directly as a result of their inaction.
00:18:58.000 I mean, that's absolutely where we are.
00:18:59.000 And we probably have a year to do something about this.
00:19:03.000 That's the thing.
00:19:03.000 The window is closing.
00:19:05.000 This is not like, we'll see what happens in five years.
00:19:07.000 We are really where the church was in 33 and 34 in Germany.
00:19:11.000 And by 35, it was effectively over.
00:19:13.000 The Nazis had won. 0.98
00:19:15.000 So, Eric, the objection that some will say is they'll say that you're a Christian nationalist, Eric.
00:19:22.000 You're a Christian nationalist.
00:19:25.000 Yeah, sticks and stones can break my bones.
00:19:27.000 Honestly, that term, Christian nationalist, it's a completely made-up BS term.
00:19:32.000 It is an absolute, when somebody calls you a Christian nationalist, laugh in their face and leave the room.
00:19:38.000 Do not engage because these people, they don't even have any argument.
00:19:43.000 It's just a way and it works.
00:19:45.000 This is what's so amazing.
00:19:45.000 Is all you need to do is call somebody a racist, call somebody a transphobe, call somebody a Christian nationalist, say, oh, you just care about politics.
00:19:52.000 You don't care.
00:19:53.000 All people need to do is say that.
00:19:55.000 And many Christians just fold up and it's game over.
00:19:58.000 They're not going to, that's all you need to do.
00:20:01.000 And I just laugh that people have invented the term Christian.
00:20:04.000 You know who's a Christian nationalist?
00:20:06.000 George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan.
00:20:11.000 Like, are these like devils or were these the greatest presidents we ever had?
00:20:14.000 These were the greatest presidents we ever had.
00:20:16.000 It's just a preposterous term designed to silence the church.
00:20:21.000 And why do people want to silence the church?
00:20:23.000 They want to silence the voice of God.
00:20:24.000 And the church is supposed to be giving voice to what God is saying in each generation.
00:20:29.000 So it's up to the church right now.
00:20:30.000 Are we going to let terms like Christian nationalism silence us?
00:20:34.000 I mean, it's preposterous, but that's where we are.
00:20:37.000 Everybody should check out the website, lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:20:41.000 That is lettertheamericanchurch.com.
00:20:43.000 I'm in the film, Dr. James Lindsay, obviously Eric, Rob McCoy, Seth Gruber, David Engelhart, Victor Marks, Eileen Marks, Amanchuku, Pastor John Amanchukwu.
00:20:52.000 It's a terrific movie, Letter to the American Church.
00:20:55.000 And we want to do screenings all across the country.
00:20:57.000 We want to bring this to lots of different churches.
00:21:00.000 This needs to be a wake-up call, an alarm bell, fire alarm for the American church.
00:21:06.000 There's no more excuses.
00:21:07.000 This is the time, the time to stand and be strong and courageous.
00:21:12.000 So, Eric, there is a concerted effort to push this term Christian nationalist.
00:21:18.000 I'm going to play this tape here from Rob Reiner, who is pushing this.
00:21:23.000 Let's play Cut 54.
00:21:27.000 America and Christianity are like baseball and apple pie, and we celebrate them together.
00:21:36.000 I was 16, 17 years old when I became a Christian.
00:21:40.000 I'm an evangelical minister.
00:21:41.000 I've been a Christian my whole life.
00:21:46.000 I'm a Christian nationalist.
00:21:47.000 I have nothing to be ashamed of because that's what most Americans are.
00:21:51.000 Is Christian nationalism Christian?
00:21:55.000 No, it isn't.
00:21:58.000 We should be blazing forth as a countercultural example.
00:22:01.000 And instead, we're leading the charge of malice and division.
00:22:05.000 Christian nationalism uses Christianity as a means to an end. 0.83
00:22:11.000 That end being some form of authoritarianism.
00:22:14.000 God is on our side.
00:22:16.000 We're taking our nation back.
00:22:18.000 The thing that keeps me up at night is that we lose democracy.
00:22:21.000 Does that seem possible?
00:22:23.000 Yes.
00:22:29.000 So, Eric, there's a lot of elements there.
00:22:31.000 First of all, Rob Reiner is a bad dude.
00:22:33.000 He's a left-wing activist.
00:22:34.000 I don't think he's a believer.
00:22:36.000 I want your take on Russell Moore.
00:22:38.000 What is Russell Moore doing in a film like that?
00:22:41.000 What he's doing is espousing what he believes in, which is utterly wrong.
00:22:46.000 Listen, it's heartbreaking.
00:22:48.000 You know, four years ago, I would have thought these people were my friends and allies.
00:22:51.000 I mean, we saw Phil Visher in there.
00:22:52.000 He founded Veggie Tales.
00:22:54.000 They are allying themselves with left-wing Marxist atheist doctrine.
00:23:01.000 Maybe they're aware of it.
00:23:03.000 Maybe they're not.
00:23:04.000 But that's what they're doing.
00:23:05.000 And they're demonizing anyone who has a robust biblical worldview.
00:23:10.000 They're simply making statements like they say, Christian nationalism, that's not Christian.
00:23:15.000 Explain to me what's not Christian about loving America.
00:23:21.000 It is simply preposterous.
00:23:23.000 I think a loud horse laugh is like the best response. 0.99
00:23:27.000 I mean, we can talk and talk, but when somebody says something deeply idiotic, I don't think it warrants a response. 0.98
00:23:33.000 And that film is designed to silence the voice of the church in America. 0.99
00:23:37.000 And a lot of people will go along with it.
00:23:39.000 I mean, look, Sky Githani, Phil Vischer, David French, Russell Moore, they're allying themselves with somebody like Rob Reiner, who is 1,000% pro-abortion, who is 1,000% anti-family, anti-American values, anti-constitution.
00:23:57.000 I mean, he's got a globalist Marxist worldview, and he's entitled to it.
00:24:02.000 But the idea that Christians would be helping him to make a film, which is effectively about silencing the church, let's be real clear. 0.89
00:24:10.000 People wanted to silence William Wilberforce.
00:24:13.000 Okay, I wrote a book called Amazing Grace, a biography of William Wilberforce.
00:24:17.000 Because of his faith in Jesus, he said, I need to lead the battle to end the slave trade in the British Empire.
00:24:24.000 He didn't say, my newfound faith in Jesus means I shouldn't be political.
00:24:28.000 He said, my newfound faith in Jesus means I need to take my biblical faith into the marketplace.
00:24:33.000 And guess what?
00:24:34.000 I'm a politician.
00:24:35.000 I'm a member of parliament.
00:24:35.000 I'm going to use politics to try to undo the nightmare of slavery and the slave trade.
00:24:43.000 And how many deluded pseudo-Christians in his day said, oh, you're not supposed to mix faith and politics.
00:24:50.000 Okay, so I guess then you're supposed to allow people, human beings, to suffer at the hands of their slave masters. 1.00
00:25:01.000 The idea, it's so ridiculous. 0.92
00:25:03.000 And so when I see a film like that, I just think, is that all it takes to silence people? 0.86
00:25:07.000 Just like a film with some people sounding like they know what they're talking about.
00:25:11.000 They don't know what they're talking about.
00:25:12.000 They don't know history.
00:25:14.000 And it's utterly shameful that they're doing this.
00:25:17.000 People, human beings are going to suffer if that worldview wins.
00:25:21.000 That is cultural Marxism.
00:25:23.000 It is anti-church, anti-gospel.
00:25:26.000 It is anti-all that. 0.97
00:25:27.000 So the fact that Russell Moore and company would be so deluded as to really believe that if you care about your country, if you love America, you know, you're some chest thumping monster. 0.98
00:25:39.000 You're scary.
00:25:40.000 You should just care about biblical values.
00:25:42.000 I mean, one thing I got to say, Charlie, is like the lie that you have to choose between, are you about the kingdom of God or are you about America?
00:25:50.000 That's just, it's like saying, do you love Jesus or do you love your family?
00:25:53.000 Which is it?
00:25:54.000 You have to choose.
00:25:55.000 That's exactly right. 0.99
00:25:55.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99
00:25:56.000 That's such a good response. 0.99
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00:26:03.000 They're actually saying, I mean, for the whole history of our country, people knew that if I love God, I will love America.
00:26:10.000 Because America puts forth, maybe flawed, but the best version of the possibility of being free, having religious freedom, spreading the gospel.
00:26:10.000 Why?
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00:27:26.000 But Eric, it does represent a challenge.
00:27:30.000 And just help me understand what is the motivation or the intention.
00:27:34.000 Russell Moore in particular.
00:27:36.000 He's always called himself a Christian.
00:27:38.000 He calls himself a theologian.
00:27:40.000 Does he really want to be liked by the secular, you know, trans zealots this bad? 1.00
00:27:45.000 I'm asking you to speculate here, Eric, because no, no, no.
00:27:49.000 I do the same thing on my own program.
00:27:51.000 I try to try to fathom what's behind somebody taking these stances.
00:27:55.000 And I have conversations about this.
00:27:56.000 And I think, look, I think it's a combination of things.
00:27:59.000 I think these people are genuinely deluded.
00:28:01.000 They actually believe in much of what they're saying.
00:28:05.000 And here's the thing, Charlie, is that, you know, if somebody's paying you a lot of money, it makes it easier to kind of go along with an idea that maybe would not be easy to go along with.
00:28:15.000 If somebody is giving you saying, you know what, if you play by the rules, you'll get published in the New York Times.
00:28:21.000 You'll be respected.
00:28:22.000 You'll hang out with the, you know, the cool crowd.
00:28:25.000 These people have basically sold their soul for this status among the cultural elites.
00:28:32.000 And I'm sure many of them are unaware of it.
00:28:34.000 And they kind of think, well, yeah, all my friends think the way I do.
00:28:37.000 But these are cultural elites.
00:28:38.000 They're out of touch with middle America. 0.87
00:28:41.000 They have disdain for working class Americans.
00:28:45.000 I was raised in a working class home.
00:28:47.000 And I got to tell you, when they started to demonize Trump and his supporters as racists, that's when I got triggered.
00:28:55.000 I said, you know what?
00:28:56.000 I'm not going to, God forbid I would go along with this.
00:29:00.000 This is despicable.
00:29:01.000 And all of these evangelical leaders that we're talking about and many more, Andy Stanley and many others, they really have a contempt for middle America.
00:29:14.000 They want to be among the elite, among the cool.
00:29:17.000 And, you know, if you want to be in those groups, you're going to have to change what you believe.
00:29:21.000 If you believe the unborn are made in the image of God, you're going to have problems hanging out with those people. 1.00
00:29:25.000 They have a problem with that.
00:29:26.000 If you believe God has a biblical view, the Lord compels us to have a biblical view of marriage, a biblical view of sexuality, that's going to make you uncool in some circles.
00:29:37.000 So you're going to have to find some ways.
00:29:39.000 And that's basically what they're doing.
00:29:41.000 They're basically saying, well, we don't do politics.
00:29:44.000 We don't get involved in that stuff.
00:29:46.000 That's one way to sort of have this kind of plausible deniability.
00:29:49.000 Like, I'm a Christian, but I'm not like those vulgar Christians like Eric Metaxas and Charlie Kirk. 0.96
00:29:54.000 I'm different.
00:29:55.000 I'm more sophisticated.
00:29:56.000 And you know what?
00:29:57.000 There were people like that existing in Germany in the 30s.
00:30:00.000 They basically said, look, we're going to make our peace with Hitler.
00:30:02.000 We're going to get something out of this.
00:30:04.000 I'm going to keep my job.
00:30:05.000 I'll get a promotion.
00:30:06.000 And you know what?
00:30:07.000 It'll all turn out well in the end.
00:30:10.000 And what we found out, it didn't turn out well in the end.
00:30:12.000 Many of those people committed suicide when it was all over, when they saw what their inaction had done, going along with things.
00:30:20.000 And then suddenly they thought, oh no, what have I done?
00:30:23.000 So this is to me a wake-up call for anybody listening.
00:30:26.000 You call yourself a Christian, beware, because we are going dramatically in the same direction. 0.94
00:30:31.000 If you don't stand now, there will be a time soon when whatever you say doesn't matter.
00:30:37.000 It's going to be over.
00:30:38.000 The left, the Marxist, atheist left is gaining power every day.
00:30:43.000 And the church is allowing it to happen.
00:30:45.000 If the church doesn't do something about it, God will hold us responsible.
00:30:49.000 Another one of these individuals is Tim Alberta.
00:30:52.000 Have you seen his work recently?
00:30:55.000 Oh, yeah.
00:30:56.000 I mean, look, you could argue that my book, Letter to the American Church, and the film, Letter to the American Church, are the reason that Tim Alberta and Rob Reiner are doing what they're doing.
00:31:08.000 They're presenting the exact opposite view of things and trying to get churches that are a little confused to stop being political.
00:31:16.000 And I'm saying exactly the opposite.
00:31:18.000 God commands us to be political.
00:31:20.000 But Tim Alberta and others, I mean, that's a very popular book right now.
00:31:24.000 And it grieves me, you know, to see it on the bestseller list that there are people drinking this Kool-Aid, being fooled by this, not having the ability to see that what they're reading is simply wrong.
00:31:34.000 I don't know Tim Alberta's heart.
00:31:36.000 I don't know Russell Moore's heart, but what they're saying is wrong, and the results will be disastrous.
00:31:41.000 And I guarantee you, there were many good Christians in Germany in the 30s who they were not on the same page as Dietrich Bonhoeffer, but they were not evil.
00:31:51.000 They were not aware that what they were doing by trying to sort of be neutral or I don't want to be like perceived like Bonhoeffer and those other hotheads.
00:31:59.000 I'm going to stay right here and be sophisticated and everything will be fine.
00:32:03.000 They honestly had no idea.
00:32:05.000 And I think there are many today, I believe they have no idea what they're saying not only is wrong, but it is opening the door to hell on earth.
00:32:14.000 That's what happened in Germany.
00:32:15.000 It took time.
00:32:16.000 It didn't happen right away.
00:32:17.000 It took time.
00:32:18.000 But we see it right now.
00:32:19.000 The rudiments are there. 0.99
00:32:20.000 The transgender lunacy, the sexualization of children, open borders. 1.00
00:32:25.000 My God, who in the world doesn't see that that is lunacy? 0.99
00:32:30.000 That is the end of American sovereignty.
00:32:32.000 It will be the end of America.
00:32:33.000 If you're not standing against these things, you know, you don't need to be a Christian to see the lunacy. 0.79
00:32:38.000 But if you are a Christian, you ought to have the courage to stand against lunacy.
00:32:42.000 It's why we made the film Letter to the American Church to try to get people awake now, not in three years.
00:32:48.000 It'll be too late.
00:32:50.000 Eric, again, the website is letterto theamericanchurch.com, lettertheamericanchurch.com.
00:32:55.000 I'm going to read an email from one of our listeners here, and it's all about this topic.
00:33:01.000 Charlie, we have an amazing pastor, son-in-law, but he leaves politics out of his pulpit because, quote, millennials don't want anything to do with politics.
00:33:08.000 We want to see them saved.
00:33:10.000 Yeah.
00:33:10.000 My reply is: well, your church is gone.
00:33:12.000 When your church is gone, then what?
00:33:14.000 How would you respond to that, Eric?
00:33:16.000 I have very strong opinions there, but I want your response. 0.95
00:33:20.000 Well, I mean, first of all, I got to say it's pathetic because how is this pastor, a good pastor? 0.95
00:33:24.000 I want to be real clear. 0.78
00:33:26.000 This is the irony, Charlie, is that if you speak about stuff that matters, if you dare to be courageous, that actually is perceived as cool by a lot of people.
00:33:38.000 People go, well, that is cool, man.
00:33:39.000 He's saying what he believes.
00:33:41.000 Maybe I don't agree with it, but that's interesting.
00:33:43.000 I appreciate his heart.
00:33:44.000 I appreciate his courage.
00:33:46.000 The irony is that all the pastors that are trying to appeal to the millennials, you know, getting like a cool tattoo or, I mean, whatever, wearing their ripped jeans, it's like, look, here's the issue. 0.75
00:33:58.000 If you are brave and you stand up, genuinely stand up for people whose lives are being destroyed by transgender lunacy, by open borders, by fentanyl pouring into the country by a corrupt monster named Joe Biden and his administration. 0.97
00:34:14.000 I mean, the point is, if you actually care about working class Americans and you speak about it and try to help people understand that biblical values stand against this, you're going to attract more millennials than you're going to repel.
00:34:27.000 And by the way, some people need to be repelled at some point.
00:34:30.000 Some people need to see this is what the Bible teaches.
00:34:34.000 And if God wants them to come back, they'll come back.
00:34:36.000 But this idea that, well, we got them on the hook.
00:34:39.000 They're kind of showing up.
00:34:41.000 Ladies and gentlemen, you know, the hour is late.
00:34:44.000 And the idea that we just want to have a church full of, you know, bubbleheads who do not understand that there is evil around us, you know, cool young pastor, God will judge you for that.
00:34:56.000 And it's a scary thing, but I say it because I want people to understand that this is not, you know, what we're talking about really concerns truth.
00:35:06.000 We're talking about truth.
00:35:07.000 And people act like, well, there's this religious, forget about religious.
00:35:10.000 It's just about truth.
00:35:12.000 Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.
00:35:14.000 We're supposed to speak the truth.
00:35:15.000 We're not supposed to be afraid to speak the truth.
00:35:18.000 And so this calculation that I want to keep, you know, people in the seats and I don't want to be political.
00:35:23.000 Look, not everybody is going to be political the way you are or the way I am.
00:35:26.000 But the point is, this is about reality and truth, not about politics.
00:35:31.000 And if you don't see that lives are being destroyed by the transgender madness, by critical race theory, in the film, we talk a lot about James Lindsay. 1.00
00:35:40.000 He talks about critical race theory. 0.95
00:35:41.000 All of this stuff is pernicious, evil, atheistic.
00:35:46.000 If you don't understand that this is harming human beings and you don't care about those human beings, I just kind of want to know what Bible you're reading or what God you think is going to honor your silence and your inaction.
00:35:57.000 He didn't honor it in Germany in the 30s.
00:36:00.000 They had all kinds of plausible reasons for doing nothing.
00:36:05.000 But in the end, they realized, well, yeah, I wish I had known where this was going.
00:36:11.000 And so that's the reason we made the film letter to the American Church, because I think there's some people who genuinely don't know where it's going.
00:36:16.000 They don't know that God is a judge.
00:36:19.000 He's expecting us to speak up for truth and reality right now.
00:36:23.000 And whether it's political or not, that's kind of a separate issue.
00:36:26.000 It's about truth.
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00:37:47.000 Rob Reiner says Christian nationalists are responsible for January 6th, play cut 56.
00:37:52.000 But I think for me, what was so new about what you did was the notion of nationalism and particularly how that really was on display at the insurrection at the Capitol.
00:38:04.000 Yes, well, you know, the interesting thing is that it, you know, they go into the guise of a religious movement, but it really isn't.
00:38:12.000 It's a political movement.
00:38:13.000 It's all about gaining power.
00:38:15.000 It's all about forcing your way of thinking on others.
00:38:19.000 We're not saying that every person who stormed the Capitol was a Christian nationalist, but it was the foundation for the movement on January 6th.
00:38:28.000 We know what this is, Eric.
00:38:30.000 They're trying to lay a foundation to spy on us, to potentially treat us as if, well, you tell us, Eric.
00:38:39.000 I mean, if you're listening to Christian Amanpour or Mike Meathead Stivik, I'm sorry, Rob Reiner.
00:38:46.000 If you're listening to them, I just want to know what world you live in because there are plenty of people I know that they're listening to those voices, and it's all plausible.
00:38:53.000 Here's the problem: it's wrong.
00:38:55.000 What happened on January 6th wasn't the work of Christian nationalists.
00:38:59.000 It was the work of Nancy Pelosi and a weaponized FBI and a deep state, people who hate actual elections, who hate Trump voters, and who are convinced that they have the ability to do anything they can to crush those voices, to crush the voice and the presence of Donald Trump and the people who support him, basically to subvert democracy.
00:39:26.000 Think of the irony.
00:39:27.000 That's exactly what they're doing.
00:39:29.000 And they kind of act like, oh, it's those Christian nationalists who, let me tell you, folks, I don't believe in corrupt elections.
00:39:36.000 I don't believe in winning elections by being corrupt or lying or censoring people or knocking people off of social media, but that's what the left does.
00:39:43.000 The left, let's be clear, Charlie.
00:39:45.000 We're talking about biblical values.
00:39:47.000 The left doesn't have any values.
00:39:49.000 Their values are power.
00:39:50.000 And that's where it becomes Marxism, right?
00:39:52.000 They simply believe in power.
00:39:54.000 They don't believe in right or wrong.
00:39:55.000 They believe in winning and crushing those people with whom they disagree.
00:39:59.000 That's right.
00:39:59.000 If you don't have any real values, everybody is Hitler to you.
00:40:03.000 You go, Trump is Hitler. 0.93
00:40:04.000 His followers are Hitler. 0.99
00:40:05.000 What can we do to crush them? 0.92
00:40:07.000 What can we do?
00:40:08.000 Let's think about it.
00:40:08.000 Let's think about how much money we can use, how much power we have to crush them.
00:40:12.000 And they've been trying very, very, very hard.
00:40:14.000 And the only good news is it is waking people up who otherwise would still be sleepwalking.
00:40:19.000 But there's still plenty, especially in pulpits, that are sleepwalking.
00:40:23.000 And we made the film to wake them up by God's grace.
00:40:26.000 Go to lettertothyamericanchurch.com.
00:40:28.000 That's lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:40:30.000 Eric, let's talk about the election for Christians in this audience that believe what we say.
00:40:37.000 And there's some of them.
00:40:39.000 And I was with one last evening, and they just said, Charlie, I really need some prayer of whether or not I'm going to vote for Trump.
00:40:47.000 And I got a little impatient.
00:40:48.000 I said, really?
00:40:50.000 And I went to, I said, how about this?
00:40:52.000 You vote for Trump, you get a border.
00:40:54.000 He said, okay, that's true.
00:40:55.000 Eric, what is the argument for a Christian out there that takes their faith seriously, that still can't figure out how they should vote in this election?
00:41:03.000 What say you?
00:41:05.000 Yeah, I'll cut to the chase.
00:41:06.000 It's shameful.
00:41:07.000 It's absolutely shameful. 0.89
00:41:09.000 They are really, they're sort of embracing ignorance and they don't need to. 0.95
00:41:16.000 They can let go of their ignorance and just look at a few basic facts.
00:41:20.000 And I don't care. 0.89
00:41:22.000 Look, you could hate Trump.
00:41:24.000 I love Trump, but you could hate him.
00:41:26.000 And you look at what the Biden administration has done.
00:41:30.000 And I don't know what it would take for somebody to say, I don't care if they, whoever they are, because it's not Biden who's a husk, whoever they are, if they win the White House, the evil that will be unleashed is staggering.
00:41:49.000 If you care about human sex trafficking, if you care about communities across this country, if you care about the whole world, because as America goes, so goes the world, you've got to do something.
00:42:04.000 And so to say that I'm just going to sit back, I mean, this is this lie that I can be neutral.
00:42:08.000 I won't vote for Trump.
00:42:09.000 Oh, I won't vote for Biden, but I won't vote for Trump.
00:42:12.000 If Biden wins, you voted for him.
00:42:15.000 You allowed that to happen.
00:42:16.000 And that's exactly what the church did in Germany.
00:42:18.000 They said, we're going to take a neutral, we're going to just sit over here.
00:42:21.000 We're not going to choose.
00:42:22.000 When you do that, you enable evil to have the day.
00:42:27.000 You enable evil to take over.
00:42:29.000 That's what happened in Germany.
00:42:30.000 That's what happens in every case.
00:42:31.000 It is what is happening now because of the failure of the nerve of the American church to see what its responsibility is before God and before its fellow man.
00:42:42.000 And so when I hear people say, like, oh, I don't know if I could vote for Trump, I just want to say it is utterly shameful.
00:42:49.000 And we have a gracious God.
00:42:51.000 And I hope that he gives you grace for what you're doing.
00:42:54.000 But what you're doing is going to harm people that you're commanded to love.
00:42:59.000 They're all across this country.
00:43:01.000 They're in other countries.
00:43:02.000 Their lives depend on who is in power in this country.
00:43:07.000 And, you know, no, you're not going to vote for Jesus, but I don't know who you think you voted for in the past.
00:43:12.000 That was so wonderful. 0.98
00:43:13.000 You know, JFK is bringing prostitutes into the White House weekly. 0.99
00:43:19.000 Every president, you know, has flaws. 0.91
00:43:22.000 So the idea that you would not vote when things are this crucial, again, I can just say to my fellow Christians, if you want to do the biblical thing, you know, I dare you to watch Letter to the American Church.
00:43:36.000 I dare you to read my book.
00:43:38.000 And I say to people, read my book.
00:43:39.000 There's a study guide.
00:43:41.000 Study it with some people.
00:43:42.000 See what it says.
00:43:43.000 Don't, you know, it's not about being a conservative or big.
00:43:47.000 It's about what does the scripture say?
00:43:49.000 And I'm trying to make the case.
00:43:51.000 Uh, to those that are on the fence that don't get this because, like your friend whoever it was that said that it it's simply astonishing to me that they don't understand the power that god has given them to live in a free country and to have the ability to vote and to advocate for god's values for everybody, not for your sake, for your own sake, but for everybody.
00:44:12.000 If you don't care about that or you pretend like well, I don't have any power, i'm just gonna, i'm just gonna avoid it, i'm not gonna vote.
00:44:18.000 I just want to say that's frightening to me.
00:44:20.000 It's a frightening level of ignorance and it's going to lead to a frightening level of evil that we're not going to be able to do anything about it once it has come.
00:44:29.000 We are at that point in this country Charlie, where it's up to the church now and again.
00:44:35.000 I really wish I were wrong.
00:44:37.000 I'm afraid i'm not wrong and and that's why we we made the film uh, and thank you for your help with it Lettertheamericanchurch.com.
00:44:44.000 Everything is there.
00:44:45.000 Have a free screening at your church, buy a dvd, get involved, please.
00:44:50.000 Help wake up those who can still be awakened.
00:44:52.000 There's some people that they don't care, but there are people who they can be made to care, help them to understand their responsibility.
00:44:58.000 It's that simple, Eric Metaxis, you're a great American, you're doing excellent, proud to call you, friend Charlie, and we're in a.
00:45:06.000 We know we're in a battle, we're in a war.
00:45:07.000 George Washington was in a war.
00:45:09.000 Uh, sometimes you just have to fight and pray and trust god with the results and if you do nothing, it's on you Lettertotheamericanchurch.com.
00:45:18.000 It's a game changer, Eric.
00:45:20.000 God bless, talk to you soon.
00:45:21.000 Thank you, thanks so much for listening.
00:45:22.000 Everybody email us, as always.
00:45:24.000 Freedom at Charliekirk.com.
00:45:26.000 Thanks so much for listening and god bless.
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