The Charlie Kirk Show - Liberty Vs Lockdowns 2.0 with David Harris Jr. and Ryan Helfenbein

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:09.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I sit down with two dear friends of mine, Ryan Helfenbein at the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty and David Harris Jr., who is cross-posting this episode.

00:00:17.000 So God bless him for everything he does for our country.

00:00:20.000 It's a great conversation about the Chinese coronavirus and so much more.

00:00:23.000 We talk about faith and liberty and also Liberty University.

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00:00:38.000 Buckle up, everybody.

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00:00:40.000 Here we go.

00:00:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:14.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:14.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:16.000 I am joined by two dear friends of mine, Ryan Helfenbein, the head and executive director of the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty.

00:01:25.000 It's great.

00:01:26.000 Which is an amazing effort.

00:01:27.000 And a fellow at the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty.

00:01:30.000 David Harris Jr.

00:01:31.000 He's also going to be posting this on his feed.

00:01:33.000 Yes, sir.

00:01:34.000 So say hi because this will be on your hello, everybody.

00:01:36.000 David J. Harris Jr. here, and I'm excited to be here with two of my brothers.

00:01:40.000 So what's going to be fun is now I am going to yield the floor because I'm going to be a guest on my own show.

00:01:45.000 And David will be a guest on his own show because this is being posted everywhere.

00:01:49.000 Ryan, you are now the host of the Charlie Kirk show.

00:01:51.000 Dude, I am humbled by this.

00:01:53.000 One of the things we say over at the Falkirk Center, this is the place where Christ is king, church is essential, and freedom, Charlie, which we know we all agree on this.

00:02:01.000 Everybody who's listening, freedom is everything.

00:02:04.000 And so 100%.

00:02:07.000 I just, you know, the last 60 days have been nuts.

00:02:11.000 I kind of, you know, it's, I'm looking at this as an opportunity to recap, you know, to actually like, what have we learned over the past 60 days?

00:02:19.000 Let's start with COVID-19.

00:02:22.000 So we have seen failure after failure after failure.

00:02:27.000 We've seen government lockdowns.

00:02:29.000 We've seen locale.

00:02:30.000 We've seen churches that have been closed.

00:02:32.000 We're even seeing the effects of it even now with masks being worn everywhere.

00:02:38.000 But I want to get your thoughts, your reflection.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, I don't think that I don't think it's over yet because now they're trying to re-lock down the country.

00:02:47.000 However, the lesson should already be very clear, which is that the lockdowns did way more damage than I think it was ever originally estimated.

00:02:56.000 I mean, I have to say, all three of us were part of the community that thought that we were going way too far, too early.

00:03:03.000 And I remember exchanging messages with you guys a couple weeks out from Easter.

00:03:07.000 I was like, this is not good.

00:03:09.000 No.

00:03:09.000 And that wasn't the whole consensus in the conservative movement at the time.

00:03:13.000 Some people are like, no, let's just wait it out.

00:03:15.000 And I think it's pretty well accepted that it was an outrageous abuse of power against Christendom, against the kingdom, and against patriotic Americans.

00:03:25.000 Yes.

00:03:26.000 So the biggest lesson for me is one that I take into the news cycle into my life every single day, which is to be an independent thinker, be highly skeptical, and yoke yourself in reason, not in outrage or in rage in general.

00:03:43.000 And I actually am inherently distrustful of the expert community because there's actually a very low price to be wrong, very low cost to be wrong, and a very little reward to be correct.

00:03:57.000 Fauci has paid a tremendous weight.

00:03:59.000 No, actually, that's wrong.

00:04:01.000 You're right.

00:04:01.000 Fauci hasn't paid anything.

00:04:03.000 Yeah.

00:04:05.000 And so he came out and said, oh, we lied about the masks because we didn't have enough masks.

00:04:10.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 So we told you not to wear masks, even though they might work or they might not work.

00:04:14.000 And so now they're trying to re-lock down the country in certain areas.

00:04:17.000 We know lockdowns don't work.

00:04:18.000 I'm a huge opponent of nationwide forced draconian lockdowns. 0.90

00:04:23.000 Shelter in place for nursing homes makes sense. 0.97

00:04:26.000 And I'm just of the belief you cannot have freedom without responsibility.

00:04:29.000 You cannot. 0.93

00:04:30.000 And so if you want to do something foolish to yourself, you absolutely should have the liberty to do that. 0.97

00:04:36.000 I'm not an advocate of that. 0.97

00:04:38.000 No.

00:04:38.000 But do not restrict me from being able to go to church, go to work, and be able to travel as I see fit.

00:04:44.000 And if I'm going to incur some form of risk for that, so be it.

00:04:49.000 Right.

00:04:50.000 That's freedom.

00:04:51.000 You can't have freedom without responsibility.

00:04:53.000 Dangerous freedom.

00:04:54.000 But that's still freedom.

00:04:56.000 You still have the freedom to do that.

00:04:57.000 You should have the freedom to do that.

00:04:58.000 So for COVID-19 for me, I actually had a friend of mine that is a billionaire that's very well connected that brought me information from the very beginning saying that this virus was man-made.

00:05:09.000 This virus was not released by accident.

00:05:11.000 This virus is part SARS, part MERS, and also part HIV.

00:05:16.000 And this virus has the potential to be worse than the Spanish flu.

00:05:21.000 And he was sharing this with me like within a couple of weeks of this thing breaking.

00:05:24.000 He was giving me other supporting data.

00:05:26.000 I had him on my show a couple of times to talk about it.

00:05:29.000 And he was very much a proponent for locking things down, shutting things down.

00:05:34.000 He thought the stock market was going to hit 10,000.

00:05:38.000 He was literally waiting for the absolute disaster.

00:05:42.000 So there's two sides that could be accurate here.

00:05:46.000 One, now that we've seen that it actually was not that disastrous, is it because the president made the early decisions that he did to shut down travel from China in January when he took so much heat over it, January 21st, I believe.

00:05:59.000 Nobody, he said that he was in a discussion with 20 plus advisors and nobody agreed with him to shut travel down from China, yet he did anyway. 0.86

00:06:09.000 I believe that that was huge in thwarting the invasion of this thing from people that were carrying it. 0.89

00:06:15.000 And it could have been 10 or 100 times worse had he not done that.

00:06:21.000 The other side of the other side is that it's no worse than the flu because now that's what we're seeing.

00:06:26.000 Now we're seeing, I interviewed Dr. Dan out of Kern County that owns and operates eight medical clinics that said he began to do his own testing.

00:06:35.000 And in that testing he did, it came out to 0.2% of the people basically were the, was the mortality rate and that so many more people than had been reported actually had COVID-19 and had gotten better from it.

00:06:51.000 They had the antibodies.

00:06:52.000 So the news was being skewed.

00:06:54.000 So, you know, it's like you take both of these things into consideration.

00:06:57.000 It could have been, I believe it absolutely would have been a lot greater, had a lot greater disaster had the president not taken action, banned travel from China, banned travel from Europe, did what he did what he did.

00:07:09.000 But at the same time, and I don't believe it was released by accident, but at the same time, we also now see how the overreach was implemented by so many Democrat politicians, governors, mayors that basically just threw the Constitution out the window, seemed to target churches.

00:07:28.000 And my hope is that well-meaning Americans, believers, Democrats, obviously, and Republicans as well, will realize how far some of these politicians are willing to go if they're given the opportunity to take that much power.

00:07:42.000 Absolutely.

00:07:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:42.000 And so I want to differentiate lessons from the virus and the lockdown because those are two different categories.

00:07:48.000 True, right?

00:07:49.000 So the virus, we have some pretty good data that if you have comorbidities, if you're above the age of 60 and you're overweight, this is something you should be concerned about.

00:08:00.000 True.

00:08:00.000 Absolutely.

00:08:00.000 However, if you are those things, if you're over 60 overweight and you have comorbidities, you should be concerned every single flu season.

00:08:06.000 And I'm not saying this is the flu.

00:08:09.000 It's similar and data-wise there.

00:08:11.000 However, every time there is a pathogen, those people should be concerned.

00:08:16.000 The nursing homes were a huge component of the data here.

00:08:19.000 This idea that we are going to shut down schools.

00:08:21.000 I don't want to just applaud Liberty University.

00:08:23.000 Jerry Foley.

00:08:24.000 She's amazing.

00:08:24.000 I mean, she deserves so much.

00:08:26.000 Jerry, great.

00:08:27.000 She didn't shut down the school.

00:08:28.000 I think it was like zero cases.

00:08:30.000 Yeah.

00:08:31.000 Yep.

00:08:32.000 I don't want to misspeak, but I think it was zero cases.

00:08:33.000 That's what I heard.

00:08:34.000 He took it on the chin.

00:08:36.000 Every media outlet after him, and he's been vindicated and exonerated.

00:08:39.000 No school should be closed this fall.

00:08:41.000 Except for the mainstream media.

00:08:42.000 They haven't vindicated him.

00:08:43.000 No, of course they haven't exonerated him.

00:08:44.000 And the New York Times came and they actually falsely reported they were trespassing.

00:08:46.000 And I hope they're criminally accountable.

00:08:48.000 They should be accountable.

00:08:50.000 Because they trespassed.

00:08:50.000 It was absolutely slanderous, libel is the worst thing.

00:08:53.000 But I want to just say that the lock, the virus, it's tough to say that we can control the virus.

00:08:58.000 And I try to come with this at humility.

00:09:00.000 And I think it's just like a central planner's, let's just say it's a central planner's dream.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, it's a dream, but I was going to say that, but it's almost like it's a syndrome is what I'm saying.

00:09:12.000 It's central planning syndrome that we believe we can metaphysically control the spread of a viral infection.

00:09:18.000 And I think that it almost makes us think we can play God a little bit.

00:09:22.000 And I'm not saying you should do nothing.

00:09:24.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:09:25.000 But to the extent where you're going to shut down all of society and you act as if that is an appropriate reaction, I mean, we better be seeing 20% mortality rates if we're doing that.

00:09:34.000 Exactly.

00:09:34.000 I mean, like, to do that, even five.

00:09:37.000 I mean, that's to get to that.

00:09:39.000 We're getting two percent.

00:09:40.000 We're not even getting close.

00:09:41.000 No, not even close.

00:09:41.000 And we knew that early on.

00:09:43.000 What frustrates me is we saw the Princess Cruise.

00:09:45.000 We saw the contained data.

00:09:47.000 And we said, okay, this is a great example of how many people it's going to infect, how many people it's going to die.

00:09:52.000 And guess what?

00:09:52.000 That data has been nearly within like 0.001% of now the macro data.

00:09:58.000 Right.

00:09:58.000 So that was the purpose.

00:09:59.000 So people that don't know, cruise ship, I think it was off Japan or something.

00:10:02.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 It was very early.

00:10:03.000 Very early, but you couldn't have designed a better test case because they're all using recirculated air.

00:10:09.000 They're not disembarking for a six-day period.

00:10:12.000 It's a Petri dish.

00:10:13.000 It was a Petri dish.

00:10:14.000 It was.

00:10:14.000 And so we tracked it.

00:10:15.000 That was like the, God forbid I'd call it a good thing, but you couldn't have designed a better controlled experiment.

00:10:21.000 And so the lockdowns were outrageous. 0.95

00:10:23.000 It was so silly.

00:10:24.000 They're talking about kids that can't go to high school now. 0.90

00:10:26.000 They might cancel football in the state of Colorado.

00:10:30.000 I mean, this is immoral.

00:10:31.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.000 And I mean, at this point, I can no longer stay silent.

00:10:36.000 I wonder who said that.

00:10:38.000 You want for my book?

00:10:38.000 Was that what that is?

00:10:40.000 I couldn't stay silent at David Harris.

00:10:42.000 But I refuse to comply is the wrong word.

00:10:47.000 I confuse to concede or to cooperate with this narrative that we are going to lock down America.

00:10:53.000 I'm not going to go along with it.

00:10:54.000 We better not.

00:10:55.000 No.

00:10:55.000 So, okay.

00:10:56.000 So here we are.

00:10:57.000 We have the virus.

00:10:59.000 We have the lockdowns.

00:11:00.000 Then what happened, which was unforeseen by anybody, is the story took a sudden twist.

00:11:07.000 It became an issue of law and order.

00:11:09.000 George Floyd, that was horrendous, what happened to him.

00:11:13.000 But then you saw protest that protest lasted five minutes, and then it immediately went to the complete disintegration of societal justice, law and order, rioting, stores being looted, Molotov cocktails, you name it, the whole thing.

00:11:34.000 And then we had the issue of, you know, Black Lives Matter, the organization coming forth and springing upon this opportunity.

00:11:43.000 Right.

00:11:44.000 And so here's my question.

00:11:48.000 The issue of systemic racism.

00:11:51.000 I know y'all have addressed it.

00:11:52.000 We've addressed it again and again.

00:11:54.000 But systemic racism versus systemic injustice.

00:11:59.000 What is that?

00:12:00.000 What does that mean to you?

00:12:00.000 Well, I don't think, I mean, I think we have to acknowledge and admit and understand that there was systemic racism in our country up to a certain point.

00:12:09.000 But all of that began to go away once we had liberation, once we had the Civil Rights Act, once we began to champion black lives as actually mattering in the 60s, then there were changes that were made.

00:12:25.000 There were changes in equality.

00:12:26.000 There were changes for women that were made.

00:12:27.000 There were changes for black Americans that were made.

00:12:29.000 And we as a society, we had the opportunity to then make sure that we supported the individuals that actually supported what we believe matters the most, which is equality.

00:12:41.000 So I don't believe today we have an issue with systemic racism.

00:12:45.000 And every single person that tries to say that we do have an issue with systemic racism tries to use the unarmed black individuals that have been shot and killed by police.

00:12:54.000 Right.

00:12:55.000 And the numbers are completely, that actually proves the opposite. 0.97

00:12:59.000 More whites are killed. 0.93

00:13:00.000 That's right. 0.97

00:13:02.000 The individuals that are black that were unarmed, I think there was nine last year and like five or six of them were doing something violent or in the act of doing something violent.

00:13:11.000 Or they were saying they had a weapon. 0.55

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Or they had a weapon or they reached for the officer's gun. 0.99

00:13:15.000 So it's not like there's this boogeyman of the police that just embodies all of police that are out just looking down to looking to track down and hunt and shoot and kill black individuals. 0.72

00:13:26.000 Nor is there a system in place where an individual cannot start a business, join a company, become an employee, have an idea. 0.91

00:13:35.000 I'm a living proof of that.

00:13:36.000 I've been a business owner and an entrepreneur for over 20 years.

00:13:40.000 Huge.

00:13:41.000 It was in the 1990s, 1994, 95, that I had my first idea and I said, I'm going to create a business out of this.

00:13:47.000 And I started a company.

00:13:49.000 I had to do all of the necessary legalities as far as state, local, business, licenses, everything necessary to get the business up and operational, and then provide the capital to be able to provide everything necessary for individuals to be able to work for my company to create a living.

00:14:04.000 And I did it very successfully.

00:14:05.000 If there was systemic racism, then I wouldn't be able to do that.

00:14:08.000 Yeah.

00:14:08.000 And I want to make something very clear because when people, when I reject the premise of systemic racism, and David's absolutely right, there was a period of time where that existed.

00:14:17.000 However, you look at the 1960s, admitting that there might be systemic injustice is not the same thing as saying systemic racism.

00:14:25.000 I totally wholeheartedly agree.

00:14:26.000 And so again, this takes a mature mind of which the left is not capable of because they intentionally try to keep conversations so it requires nuance and thought. 0.69

00:14:35.000 So for example, saying that the black community has been disadvantaged is 100% true post-1960s.

00:14:41.000 Saying that it was only because of racism is patently untrue.

00:14:45.000 So for example, the black community was impacted by the Great Society Act.

00:14:49.000 So every community was actually, because single motherhood went up in the white community, just went up more dramatically in the black community than any other community.

00:14:57.000 Now, so explain me this, is that post-Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, how is it? 0.97

00:15:02.000 So if we account Jim Crow laws, segregation, and slavery, evil, evil, evil, which thank you, Christianity. 0.79

00:15:08.000 Which was systemic racism. 0.95

00:15:10.000 Of course it was.

00:15:10.000 It was definitionally systemic racism.

00:15:12.000 So the definition of systemic racism legislatively and policy-wise, which is the only way we can really discuss it, is that I can do something with the color of my skin that a black person can't do, or vice versa.

00:15:23.000 Now, if you want to get hyper technical, I think affirmative action is absolutely 100% against affirmative action.

00:15:30.000 And so I'm not getting into that.

00:15:32.000 I just think, I actually think it's incredibly.

00:15:37.000 That's a different thing.

00:15:38.000 And it hurts anybody else.

00:15:39.000 It hurts everybody.

00:15:40.000 And they qualify for a job. 0.74

00:15:41.000 It creates a hyper-racialized society. 0.84

00:15:43.000 But let me say this. 0.80

00:15:44.000 So, if you account slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation, and everything that led up to it, a good point, a good fulcrum point, if you will, is okay, the day before the Civil Rights Act was passed.

00:15:53.000 Right.

00:15:53.000 Let's start that as like everything before that up to that moment.

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 Right.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, right.

00:15:58.000 So that was, so actually, before that, you saw black wages increase the most it ever increased it from 1948 to 1960.

00:16:05.000 Now, it wasn't the black community did something that was pretty remarkable is that they had a sense of resiliency from 48 to 60 where they were being discriminated against.

00:16:18.000 However, black businesses were thriving.

00:16:21.000 There was a sense of cooperation and community.

00:16:23.000 A lot of that went away when the government came in and tore down their communities and had a vertical housing unit.

00:16:27.000 However, this is interesting to see.

00:16:29.000 What is it then?

00:16:30.000 And the left can never answer this question. 0.95

00:16:32.000 Tell me, and I know their answer because it's a silly answer.

00:16:35.000 Why did the fatherlessness rate go from 22% to 77%?

00:16:38.000 Right.

00:16:39.000 Society.

00:16:40.000 Of course.

00:16:40.000 So I will give you.

00:16:41.000 But they don't want to talk about it.

00:16:42.000 By the way, I will give you Jim Crow segregation and slavery for why it was 22 to 25%.

00:16:47.000 I get it. 0.98

00:16:47.000 Like that's that is legitimate institutional. 0.98

00:16:50.000 That is like decades and generations of discrimination.

00:16:53.000 Totally got it.

00:16:54.000 Why the jump once things got equal?

00:16:56.000 Right.

00:16:57.000 Like, why did things then go up once there was equality under the law?

00:17:00.000 It was because things got equal.

00:17:02.000 But LBJ said, no, we can't do that.

00:17:03.000 That's exactly what we change the change of parameters.

00:17:06.000 And I'll have those ends.

00:17:08.000 Voting Democrat for the first time.

00:17:11.000 I don't know if I could say that on your show.

00:17:12.000 Please don't.

00:17:13.000 Please don't.

00:17:14.000 I should be able to say it, right?

00:17:15.000 But I still don't.

00:17:17.000 I don't say the end word.

00:17:18.000 Right.

00:17:18.000 And so that's a conversation that needs to happen.

00:17:23.000 But I also think, I think we're systemically unracist as a country.

00:17:26.000 I actually think we have to go out of our way to find injustices.

00:17:30.000 Well, we're creating a psychology.

00:17:31.000 I'm going to say this.

00:17:32.000 Is it Bubba?

00:17:33.000 Bubba?

00:17:33.000 We're creating a new person.

00:17:34.000 No, you mean Bubba Smollett?

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:36.000 Is it Watson?

00:17:36.000 I can't.

00:17:37.000 No, it's Smollett.

00:17:37.000 Smollett.

00:17:38.000 Bubba Smollett.

00:17:40.000 By the way.

00:17:40.000 I'm waiting for the two night giants.

00:17:41.000 Wait, no, Bubba Wallace.

00:17:43.000 Wallace or Watson.

00:17:44.000 I'm sorry.

00:17:44.000 Wallace.

00:17:45.000 It's Bubba Wallace.

00:17:46.000 It's Jesse Smollett, but you put them together.

00:17:49.000 I really.

00:17:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:51.000 So here's the thing.

00:17:52.000 I have it in writing.

00:17:53.000 My team will tell you.

00:17:54.000 The second I saw the story, I wish I had the gumption to tweet it.

00:17:57.000 I said this is a fraud 100%.

00:17:59.000 Me next time, I'll tweet it.

00:18:01.000 I'm hearing he's doubling down.

00:18:02.000 He is doubling down.

00:18:03.000 He's initial initial reports, and then FBI took 15 agents.

00:18:07.000 Why don't they take these agents to find out who's burning down our cities?

00:18:10.000 It's insane.

00:18:11.000 Absolutely.

00:18:12.000 They take out 15 agents. 0.88

00:18:13.000 They're burning down black businesses, Hispanic businesses, businesses owned by single women. 1.00

00:18:17.000 Amen. 1.00

00:18:18.000 So real quick, we're heading towards the 4th of July.

00:18:23.000 Okay.

00:18:24.000 We're seeing statues come down.

00:18:26.000 People are trying to erase history.

00:18:28.000 Not even that.

00:18:29.000 I think just creating complete destruction.

00:18:33.000 But most of the people that are doing it don't know anything about our common history.

00:18:37.000 And yet, and here's something else.

00:18:39.000 We put this on the other end.

00:18:40.000 We have evangelical Christians who are questioning whether you can love Jesus and America at the same time.

00:18:47.000 So those are the two juxtaposed between each other.

00:18:50.000 Of course, you can.

00:18:51.000 Yes.

00:18:51.000 I mean, and you can have.

00:18:53.000 So look, Philippians, I think it's 4, 6, it's before one of the most famous verses in the Bible.

00:18:57.000 Paul says, fight for whatsoever is true.

00:19:01.000 Right.

00:19:01.000 Whatever's good, whatever is actually true.

00:19:02.000 And if you go to the actual root of what that word means, it literally means whatever.

00:19:07.000 So the English translation is actually not that far off.

00:19:11.000 And so what makes Christ different is that Jesus didn't just say true things.

00:19:17.000 See, Moses said true things.

00:19:18.000 Elijah said true things.

00:19:20.000 But Christ was truth.

00:19:21.000 He was the embodiment of truth.

00:19:23.000 Completely different.

00:19:24.000 It's different psychologically, different metaphysically, different archetypically of any religious figure ever.

00:19:30.000 Because that was truth.

00:19:31.000 Alpha and Omega.

00:19:32.000 Everything that human beings need to say, anything that human beings need to hear, Christ said.

00:19:37.000 Beginning and end of all things that matter in the world.

00:19:40.000 Whatever so be true, America is the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:19:44.000 The kingdom has expanded more because of America than any other country.

00:19:47.000 These things are true.

00:19:49.000 So I love America.

00:19:50.000 I love what America stands for.

00:19:51.000 I love the American Trinity.

00:19:52.000 Now, do I love the American Trinity more than the Holy Trinity?

00:19:55.000 No.

00:19:56.000 There's a hierarchy there.

00:19:58.000 The gospel says you are able to love other things if your true love is pointed to Christ.

00:20:04.000 Sure.

00:20:05.000 And I think some of these people say that they think that there's a competition between the two.

00:20:09.000 And it's not even close.

00:20:11.000 It's more of a cop-out.

00:20:13.000 It's not even close, though.

00:20:14.000 So the final thing I'll say is this, though, is that a lot of these people, so there's three types of equality, right?

00:20:20.000 And so one type of equality is evil.

00:20:23.000 One is necessary, and one is an admirable pursuit.

00:20:27.000 The type of evil that is, the type of equal, I should say, that is absolutely necessary is equality under the law.

00:20:33.000 That's the first type of equality.

00:20:34.000 That's right.

00:20:35.000 Fair and equal treatment of the laws.

00:20:36.000 We didn't get that until about the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

00:20:39.000 Due process, the ability to represent.

00:20:42.000 That was 1960s.

00:20:43.000 Quality of opportunity is admirable.

00:20:45.000 We should strive towards that, right?

00:20:47.000 School choice, opportunity zones, things that lift people up from the foundational level.

00:20:53.000 Like before your innocence is removed from you, you should be able to have an opportunity to succeed.

00:20:58.000 The evil type of equality is equality of outcome.

00:21:01.000 That is an evil pursuit.

00:21:02.000 That's right.

00:21:03.000 So it's very important that we segment the three types of equality.

00:21:06.000 That is Marxism.

00:21:06.000 That's socialism.

00:21:07.000 That's Marxism.

00:21:07.000 That's right.

00:21:09.000 If you even try to pursue equality of outcome, it's actually against how people are made in the image of God.

00:21:15.000 Here's why.

00:21:16.000 David has strengths that I don't have.

00:21:18.000 I have strengths that David doesn't have.

00:21:20.000 If you try to equalize those through central planning, you are definitionally trying to normalize something that God may have gave someone more than someone else.

00:21:29.000 That's so good.

00:21:29.000 Amen.

00:21:30.000 Absolutely.

00:21:31.000 Our uniqueness before God in that we are image bearers.

00:21:35.000 And so I love everything you said just there.

00:21:39.000 Here's another thing.

00:21:41.000 And oh, sorry.

00:21:42.000 I'm pulling back from the microphone.

00:21:44.000 So there we go.

00:21:44.000 You got to do the Joe Rogan thing.

00:21:47.000 Right there.

00:21:48.000 Okay.

00:21:48.000 I'm right in the microphone.

00:21:49.000 Okay.

00:21:50.000 So I want to transition July 4, you know, going in as it's coming up.

00:21:57.000 David, what does America mean to you?

00:22:00.000 I can just tell you what it's been for me.

00:22:03.000 You know, I've enjoyed living in this country and having the opportunity to marry my wife that is not my same skin tone.

00:22:14.000 She's got a different ethnic background. 0.97

00:22:16.000 She's Japanese, Portuguese, Caucasian.

00:22:19.000 I'm looked at like a black man, but my mom is white of Irish descent.

00:22:24.000 My dad is black.

00:22:25.000 But still, I've never been accused of being a white guy.

00:22:27.000 This is an American story.

00:22:28.000 Yeah, it is.

00:22:28.000 But you're an American.

00:22:29.000 I'm an American. 0.87

00:22:30.000 Her wife's an American.

00:22:31.000 And my wife's an American.

00:22:32.000 So we've enjoyed the freedom of not having to deal with what my dad went through.

00:22:36.000 You know, my dad, very dark, when he got married to my mom, he dealt with racism from both sides.

00:22:43.000 He dealt with issues from the black community and he dealt with issues from the white community.

00:22:47.000 Thank God it was at least legal, right? 0.91

00:22:48.000 So he can do that.

00:22:49.000 But there was a time when it wasn't legal.

00:22:51.000 So America to me has been, has given me the freedom to not just be able to love my bride, but be able to start a business.

00:22:58.000 Started my first company when I was 20 and it was very successful, did a couple million in sales within a few years.

00:23:05.000 And I've been a serial entrepreneur.

00:23:06.000 This country has given me the ability to start businesses from an idea and not have to get that idea approved from the government, not have to get that idea sanctioned by the government, not have to say, here's the idea, government, will you want to do this for me?

00:23:22.000 It's like I've had the freedom to be a business owner for over 20 years.

00:23:26.000 And I've had the freedom to worship.

00:23:28.000 I love God.

00:23:29.000 I mean, he's such a good idea.

00:23:31.000 We have such a good papa.

00:23:32.000 We have a lot of people in this country.

00:23:33.000 We have such a good papa.

00:23:35.000 And I call him Papa.

00:23:36.000 Jesus said, Abba, Father.

00:23:38.000 And anybody that has an issue with me calling him Papa or Daddy.

00:23:42.000 He's my daddy.

00:23:43.000 He's our daddy.

00:23:44.000 Jesus said Abba.

00:23:46.000 And Abba is a close, intimate form of father, like daddy.

00:23:50.000 And I've had the ability to worship.

00:23:52.000 I've had the ability to go to church, attend church, and not be chastised for that.

00:23:58.000 It's like those are freedoms that we take for granted here in this country.

00:24:00.000 If we haven't been to other countries or we haven't done our research and looked at history and looked at what other countries actually do, religious persecution is a big deal.

00:24:10.000 And so I'm thankful so much.

00:24:12.000 I'm so thankful that I was given the opportunity to be born in this country, to grow in this country, to meet my wife here, to start a business here, and to live here.

00:24:21.000 America to me is freedom.

00:24:23.000 America to me is the land of opportunity.

00:24:26.000 I've been provided so many opportunities.

00:24:28.000 And it is the true opportunity for us to pursue happiness.

00:24:32.000 And I love that that is an option.

00:24:34.000 You know, the pursuit of happiness is an option.

00:24:36.000 You don't have to pursue happiness.

00:24:38.000 A lot of people don't pursue happiness.

00:24:40.000 They pursue misery.

00:24:41.000 Yes.

00:24:41.000 Or they pursue mediocrity.

00:24:43.000 They pursue things that, you know, it's like, I don't want to be, I don't want to be complacent.

00:24:47.000 I don't want to stay with that.

00:24:49.000 This has been for me the land of opportunity.

00:24:52.000 And I'm taking full advantage of the ability for me to pursue happiness.

00:24:56.000 Charlie. 0.98

00:24:57.000 You know, there's an interesting, I had an interesting experience a couple years ago, I'll never forget, where I was with a bunch of smug Europeans who they were incredibly anti-American, philosophically and morally secular, and they were Germans and nothing wrong with that. 0.87

00:25:12.000 They just happened to be anti-American Germans. 0.93

00:25:14.000 And they were just bashing on America. 1.00

00:25:17.000 There's stupid wars. 1.00

00:25:18.000 You guys are so this and all that. 1.00

00:25:19.000 I had enough of it.

00:25:20.000 I said, let me ask you a question.

00:25:22.000 Uh-oh.

00:25:23.000 I like it when Charlie's had enough.

00:25:26.000 He's just going to get it.

00:25:28.000 I said, what would the world be without America?

00:25:32.000 And it was just the whole dinner party just went silent.

00:25:35.000 I said, what would the world be if we didn't exist?

00:25:38.000 One of the Germans said, we'd probably be less free.

00:25:43.000 Wow.

00:25:43.000 And the conversation ended after that.

00:25:46.000 That was it?

00:25:47.000 That was it.

00:25:48.000 Wow.

00:25:49.000 And I think that's a very important question because it's not inconceivable that this can stop existing as we know it.

00:25:59.000 I mean, the things we know to be true are disappearing so quickly.

00:26:04.000 I mean, so look, I have a different story than David, but 26 years old, being able to interview the president of the United States and host him three times in one calendar year.

00:26:12.000 So amazing.

00:26:13.000 Show me another country where that is even.

00:26:14.000 I didn't go to college.

00:26:15.000 Like, that's not supposed to happen.

00:26:17.000 And can I add to that?

00:26:18.000 I didn't go to, I went to one day of college.

00:26:20.000 I've been to the White House nine times.

00:26:23.000 I've been in the Oval Office.

00:26:24.000 I thought he's the same person.

00:26:25.000 I've gotten to interview him, not for not as long as you did on your amazing podcast that's about to drop, but I did get to ask him one question while he's sitting at the Resolute desk in the Oval Office.

00:26:37.000 I've seen the video.

00:26:38.000 I have evidence this happened.

00:26:40.000 Right?

00:26:40.000 I'm an ex-drug dealer, right?

00:26:42.000 Crackhead.

00:26:43.000 I almost overdosed on crack cocaine 11 years ago.

00:26:46.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 Are you kidding me?

00:26:47.000 And I'm in the Oval Office with the President of the United States.

00:26:52.000 And I know we're.

00:26:53.000 Only in America.

00:26:54.000 I know we're short on time.

00:26:55.000 We're wrapping up.

00:26:55.000 Yeah.

00:26:56.000 But just the for anyone out there that is struggling with, should I love this country or not love this country?

00:27:02.000 I mean, there's a couple things.

00:27:05.000 The American story has always been the pursuit of betterment.

00:27:09.000 And it's through self-analysis.

00:27:11.000 But the goal that the founders set was a very aspirational one.

00:27:16.000 In fact, it's even, we must admit, they didn't live up to their own goal upon writing those words.

00:27:22.000 And I think that's a really important thing because they were actually trying to set something so forward-thinking that they were even held back by their own sin.

00:27:30.000 Some of them owned slaves, some of them engaged in behavior that we would not consider to be permissible today.

00:27:35.000 But those words, the preamble of the Constitution, actually are still as applicable today as they were then.

00:27:39.000 Absolutely.

00:27:40.000 Because their pursuit of timeless biblical truths that all men are created equal.

00:27:44.000 Wow.

00:27:45.000 Oh my gosh.

00:27:45.000 Now remember, the three times of equality, right?

00:27:47.000 Yeah.

00:27:48.000 Equal under law is really equal under God because those are God's laws.

00:27:51.000 Right.

00:27:51.000 Right?

00:27:51.000 And in the declaration, it says laws of nature and nature is God.

00:27:54.000 So look, America is the world's last best hope.

00:27:56.000 It's the only moral country left on the planet.

00:28:01.000 And if we cease to exist, I shouldn't say only moral country.

00:28:04.000 Let me phrase that.

00:28:04.000 There's other countries that are generally moral, but we cease to exist.

00:28:07.000 The world and the kingdom of God will be in such a dark place.

00:28:11.000 And so I am so thankful God chose me to live in this world.

00:28:18.000 It's incredible.

00:28:18.000 Let me add this too.

00:28:20.000 From coming from what God saved me from, right?

00:28:23.000 From myself, I know his power is real.

00:28:26.000 I know his love for us is real.

00:28:28.000 It's genuine.

00:28:29.000 And I know that he loves this country.

00:28:31.000 He loves America.

00:28:32.000 And he loves what we've been founded on.

00:28:34.000 We're founded on Judeo-Christian values.

00:28:36.000 You know, the Creator is talked about in our Constitution.

00:28:40.000 The way that our system of government is structured is based on God and the Trinity with different aspects of government.

00:28:48.000 So here's one thing I think that's so important for people to understand, for everybody listening to understand, is that God, the Father, loves you.

00:28:56.000 He sent his son to pay a ransom for you so that you could know true love and so that you could know the Father.

00:29:04.000 And that's where it starts.

00:29:06.000 And that is our hope for every single person listening to this.

00:29:09.000 But I also want you to understand this.

00:29:13.000 God will survive without America. 0.51

00:29:18.000 But America will not survive without God. 0.85

00:29:21.000 Amen.

00:29:22.000 Amen.

00:29:22.000 And so those that know him and trust him and seek him and pray, we need to be active.

00:29:27.000 We need to be engaged.

00:29:29.000 We need to know why we believe what we believe because we are the church here in this country.

00:29:35.000 And if America is spared, which I believe it will be, I'm just trying to encourage everybody, it will be because of the believers that are believing for God's will to be done in this country.

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 It's not a choice between either or.

00:29:46.000 It's both and.

00:29:47.000 Love Jesus with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

00:29:50.000 Love your neighbor.

00:29:51.000 Guess who your neighbor is?

00:29:53.000 If you live in America, okay, your neighbor, they're Americans.

00:29:57.000 And by the way, that's right.

00:29:59.000 And it's the freest, most prosperous nation for the reason.

00:30:02.000 Also, the most compassionate, most generous, most benevolent nation ever.

00:30:05.000 In the world.

00:30:06.000 So it's a great way to end it.

00:30:08.000 Brothers, thank you so much.

00:30:10.000 Yes, Charlie.

00:30:11.000 Thanks, man.

00:30:12.000 David, thank you.

00:30:12.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:30:13.000 Thanks, Ryan.

00:30:14.000 God bless you guys.

00:30:14.000 God bless.

00:30:18.000 What a terrific conversation.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 27, 2020

Liberty Vs Lockdowns 2.0 with David Harris Jr. and Ryan Helfenbein

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