The Charlie Kirk Show - Live Not By Lies with Dr. Keith Rose

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00:02:33.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:02:46.000 Keith, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:49.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:02:50.000 It's good to be here.

00:02:50.000 I want to pick it up just right where you were, and we'll let the audience catch up.

00:02:54.000 You said what makes our country different than most countries that have gone into socialism is we have a productive class or we have a production kind of infrastructure built.

00:03:07.000 Just pick it up right there.

00:03:09.000 Sure.

00:03:10.000 Charlie, when a lot of socialism comes in, basically we're talking about totalitarianism, where a complete takeover.

00:03:18.000 And the way that has typically been done, and I know you're a big Sulconitson fan like I am throughout history, is it's been done through coercion and it's been done through a lot of force.

00:03:29.000 But in this country, it's being done.

00:03:31.000 We have a soft totalitarianism that is moving in through the culture.

00:03:35.000 They're not taking over the means of production as much as they're taking over the means of culture and canceling people.

00:03:42.000 And we've seen that.

00:03:42.000 That's such a good point.

00:03:43.000 But what I don't think people are understanding is that the MAGA movement, which your book talks about actually, is so important.

00:03:54.000 The movement, it's I think President Trump did a wonderful job, but he had something that very few presidents in history have ever had.

00:04:02.000 I think George Washington had it, and I'm not sure a whole lot of others.

00:04:06.000 He had trust, he had the consent of the govern.

00:04:10.000 So while we have a new administration coming in, there's a lot of distrust, and they don't have the consent of the governed.

00:04:19.000 And it's not just any govern.

00:04:21.000 We have 74 to 80 million people, which I would just call the productive class.

00:04:27.000 These are the folks with jobs.

00:04:29.000 These are your small business entrepreneurs.

00:04:32.000 Some of these are large company owners.

00:04:34.000 When I say large company, maybe two to 500 to 1,000 employees, several hundred million dollar companies.

00:04:41.000 We have several billionaires in this class.

00:04:43.000 We have people that are extremely motivated, that have benefited from the freedoms that we have in this nation and that still recognize that we have benefited from them, that we have become successful because of the country we live in.

00:05:01.000 And I think President Trump tapped into that vein.

00:05:04.000 And when what happened during the election, and I was talking to a dear friend of mine and yours, Bob McEwen.

00:05:11.000 He's the best.

00:05:12.000 And Bob, who I call one of my wise men.

00:05:14.000 I know you do too.

00:05:15.000 I mean, him and Rob McCoy were blessed in life.

00:05:18.000 But what we are seeing is you have a small dog with a very big bark.

00:05:28.000 And what I mean by that is you have the progressive elites that aren't the majority, and they certainly aren't the majority of the production class.

00:05:37.000 You and I both know from doing an analysis on the election that President Trump got record number of Latinos, of African-American votes.

00:05:46.000 I think he got a record number of Democrat crossover votes because we're at a point in history where we're no longer viewing other people as are you a Democrat or are you Republican?

00:05:57.000 When I was, you know, I was real involved in the Reagan revolution.

00:06:01.000 That was not my first time where I remember how everything went.

00:06:05.000 There was really the Democrat and Republicans all had the same overriding goals, and that was we loved America.

00:06:12.000 We were patriotic.

00:06:13.000 We believed in a strong military.

00:06:15.000 We believed in law enforcement.

00:06:16.000 We believed in protecting our borders.

00:06:18.000 Both groups did.

00:06:20.000 What we didn't, what we disagreed on were some of the social issues and ways to get to that success.

00:06:27.000 And I think that what's happened over several years of Bush, Clinton, Obama, is that we've had radical elements within the left completely hijack the party,

00:06:42.000 while simultaneously watching the Republican Party fall to what I think George Washington summed up the best is to ambition and avarice, to where they were more focused on keeping and maintaining power within a small realm than seeing the needs of, you know, we the people.

00:07:01.000 And so President Trump came in that no one thought he was going to win because he was focused on the government.

00:07:07.000 He got the consent of the government.

00:07:08.000 No one saw that coming.

00:07:09.000 And I believe it's gotten stronger to sum it up, not weaker.

00:07:14.000 So I love your framing of the productive class.

00:07:17.000 And then we have the ruling class and then we kind of have the government dependent class.

00:07:21.000 And the ruling class has decided that they want to rule by convincing people that are in upper middle class suburbia and perpetually on government handouts.

00:07:36.000 And it's almost hollowed out this productive class, which really was the MAGA movement, which are people that work with their hands.

00:07:42.000 They're business owners.

00:07:43.000 They're people that put a little capital into the marketplace.

00:07:47.000 And there are some people that are very successful that'd be part of the productive class.

00:07:51.000 Would you loop in the Silicon Valley tech elites into the productive class?

00:07:55.000 Because I don't know if I would.

00:07:57.000 They philosophically not.

00:07:59.000 Can you help make that distinction?

00:08:01.000 Absolutely.

00:08:03.000 And the interesting thing we have, Charlie, is I don't think we've become weaker.

00:08:09.000 I think we've become stronger because of the Silicon Valley elite's actions.

00:08:15.000 You don't try to stifle or take away the voice. of an entire group of people unless you fear them and you know that their arguments and their debate pierces your ideology.

00:08:32.000 They can't compete in the realm, in the arena of ideas.

00:08:38.000 The left is petrified that someone like a Charlie Kirk or Candace Owens is going to go to a campus.

00:08:46.000 They have to shout you down.

00:08:47.000 They can't let you speak because as our friend Dennis Prager said, if you put, if you put any, they can't have a speak because it's truth and truth just pops.

00:08:58.000 It dissolves their ideology and their bubble.

00:09:02.000 They can't even stand up to the words.

00:09:04.000 And I think that they are, we know how strong we are with how completely they're trying to silence us.

00:09:10.000 If we weren't silent, I don't think Facebook and Twitter would have lost 5.6 billion in market cap overnight.

00:09:19.000 I mean, literally not being holding their fiduciary duties to their shareholders by obfuscating that just so they could silence the truth.

00:09:30.000 I mean, I look at it as I played football in college, and so I always look at it as a sports game.

00:09:36.000 Can you imagine going to the Super Bowl coming up?

00:09:39.000 And one team knows that the other team would destroy them.

00:09:43.000 So instead of playing them, they weld their doors shut of the locker room.

00:09:48.000 They don't even let them take the field.

00:09:50.000 And they run out there in front of the stadium and they say, we're the best.

00:09:54.000 They're afraid to even play us.

00:09:56.000 And then the stadium looks and goes, these guys are texting us.

00:09:59.000 They're locked in their locker room.

00:10:00.000 They're not letting them talk.

00:10:01.000 And they're like, we're the best.

00:10:03.000 And anyone that dissents, they kick them out of the stadium because they say they're trying to incite violence.

00:10:07.000 I mean, they are, they have mortal fear, not of the kinetic side of the MAGA movement, but its ideas.

00:10:17.000 And that's where the power is in this nation.

00:10:19.000 And that's why they are trying to stifle free speech.

00:10:22.000 That's such a good point.

00:10:24.000 And if you think about it, what sort of ideas are they trying to stifle?

00:10:28.000 They're trying to stifle the ones that are actually very, very popular. 0.97

00:10:32.000 They're not actually worried about some of the wackos out there that are saying things that are completely and totally untrue. 0.87

00:10:37.000 It's the ideas that really have viral momentum.

00:10:40.000 They're the ones that are rooted in truth.

00:10:43.000 And even, you know, when Facebook was asked by a congressional committee, what sort of content is most popular on your platforms?

00:10:51.000 And either Zuckerberg or one of the other guys said, you might be surprised.

00:10:54.000 Conservative populist content is the most popular content on social media.

00:10:59.000 It always has been.

00:11:01.000 And, you know, this is why some of our content has gone so viral over the years.

00:11:05.000 This is why some people have been able to do so well in a variety of different ways, you know, through digital creation.

00:11:12.000 You mentioned Candace Owens and other people as well.

00:11:15.000 So Keith, I want to get your take here of where do we go from here?

00:11:18.000 What are the next steps now from where we are as a country?

00:11:23.000 Well, Charlie, just to your last point, I would simply sum it up.

00:11:27.000 And Mark Zuckerberg and the social tech giants know this.

00:11:31.000 Truth resonates.

00:11:33.000 Slogans dissipate.

00:11:35.000 And people don't so much follow a movement as they are mobilized by the truth.

00:11:41.000 And we are now at a point in society where people have a real desire to understand what the truth is because we have gone so far to the opposite of truth.

00:11:52.000 We've had pseudo events, as described by Mark Levin in his book on freedom of the press.

00:11:58.000 And those pseudo events have given way to what I call a pseudo-reality.

00:12:02.000 And people see that and they know that.

00:12:05.000 And there's a lot of cognitive dissonance in the populace going, wait, I hear what everyone's saying.

00:12:09.000 And I hear the media repeating it over and over again, but I know it's not true.

00:12:13.000 So they flock to anything where they can get a glimpse of the truth.

00:12:16.000 It's almost like seeing a unicorn right now.

00:12:20.000 That's what we're seeing.

00:12:21.000 But where do we go from here?

00:12:22.000 I think where we go from here is really quickly, and I think most of us have done this, we have to assess exactly where we are and how bad it is.

00:12:33.000 We have to be honest with ourselves.

00:12:35.000 We need what we call, and when we were overseas, we called it a BDA, a battle damage report.

00:12:40.000 And what we know and what has happened is we knew how bad the Democrats were.

00:12:46.000 They told us.

00:12:48.000 They've been very consistent in their actions.

00:12:50.000 But what we've seen, and I think the thing that's giving a lot of people some indigestion is we have seen the absolute failure of the establishment bulk Republican Party to the point of not only failure, but impediment to freedom.

00:13:11.000 And what I mean by that is Solsonitsin, when he was exiled to the West, made a statement that I can't let go right now.

00:13:20.000 And he told everyone when he was leaving Russia, he said, live not by lies.

00:13:27.000 He said, you may not have the strength or the courage to speak the truth, but you have to have the conviction not to speak and promote a lie.

00:13:39.000 And so what we're seeing right now is people that haven't had the courage to say the truth.

00:13:45.000 And they haven't had the conviction not to jump on the President Trump possibly incited a riot.

00:13:52.000 And that's a lie.

00:13:53.000 I don't know any other way to describe that.

00:13:55.000 And you unpacked it in your podcast the other day brilliantly.

00:13:58.000 Thank you.

00:13:59.000 But he did not incite the riot.

00:14:01.000 We know that from timelines, from people involved.

00:14:05.000 And we can get into that if you want.

00:14:07.000 But the bottom line is we have to recognize that the people that we have elected in the Republican Party to represent us has not only not represented us well, but have actually, by their actions and words, worked against us.

00:14:21.000 And I consider inaction just as bad as action in the wrong direction. 0.84

00:14:26.000 And they have allowed lies like Black Lives Matter, Incorporated.

00:14:32.000 People wanted to be a part of something, so they supported a lie and did not have their conviction.

00:14:38.000 You didn't have to say what you felt the truth was, but you did not have to go along with the lie because that had ramifications.

00:14:44.000 As Solsonitsyn would say, you had people, corporations saw all these folks supporting Black Lives Matter through their black square on their Instagram and stuff.

00:14:53.000 And all of a sudden they thought, well, we'll donate money to them. 0.57

00:14:56.000 And when you donated money to Black Lives Matter Incorporated, it went straight to a group that, by their own words, are vowed Marxists. 0.58

00:15:03.000 It went to Act Blue to support the people the Republicans were running against.

00:15:08.000 And so what I would tell your audience, which I understand is one of the largest now in the country, congratulations, brother, is don't live by lies.

00:15:19.000 That's the one thing.

00:15:20.000 If you read Arn, if you read Miselvich, you read all the famous social scientists that talked about totalitarianism.

00:15:28.000 The bottom line was you can't live by lies.

00:15:30.000 You have to speak the truth.

00:15:32.000 Like George Orwell's 1984.

00:15:34.000 I mean, he talked about this over and over again.

00:15:37.000 And I believe he's, I think it was Orwell, may have been Solsones and said, well, you don't have to, you may not be able to sell the truth.

00:15:47.000 In the kingdom of lies, you do not have to be its loyal subject.

00:15:50.000 And I'm paraphrasing.

00:15:52.000 And right now, people want healing.

00:15:55.000 And a Democrat's word for healing is to is to compromise to their version of the truth, which I call a lie.

00:16:03.000 And so they don't want healing.

00:16:05.000 They want obedience blindly.

00:16:07.000 And as a nation, maybe you can't speak the truth where you live or in your workplace, but you definitely don't have to go along with the big lie.

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00:17:24.000 Alexander Solshenitsyn, who wrote the Gulag Archipelago for a lot of our listeners who might not be familiar with it, Archipelago, that's a mouthful, which might have been the most important piece of literature that took down the Soviet Union, probably did more than anything else.

00:17:38.000 It was probably more powerful than a thermonuclear weapon in actually disassembling the Soviet Union.

00:17:45.000 He also had a very famous quote, which he said, and all of this was due thanks to ideology.

00:17:52.000 You know, it was a commitment to not anything that was necessarily true or rational, but a pre-existing dogmatic belief, which we see really drives the left at all costs.

00:18:02.000 And that's what's one of the most famous quotes.

00:18:04.000 And Solshenitsyn would always argue for nuance and for speech and for the pursuit of truth.

00:18:09.000 And I encourage all the time, I encourage my listeners to read the Gulag Archipelago.

00:18:13.000 You think that things are tough for you now, read it.

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00:18:21.000 So, Keith, I want to ask you, you were mentioning something this before we started our podcast, the need to get into local and state government.

00:18:29.000 Why is this important?

00:18:30.000 This is part of what I have published as quote unquote, calling it check the boxes.

00:18:36.000 There are three boxes I tell people they need to check every day, which is you need to by name, pray for and contact your state and local government mayoral city council races.

00:18:46.000 You need to support the fighters, metaphorical fighters, obviously, in our times, the people that are really getting involved in the cultural struggles and debates and all of this.

00:18:58.000 And then finally, the other thing is learn something new every day.

00:19:01.000 Read new books because the best activists are the most informed activists.

00:19:05.000 But let's start with the first one.

00:19:06.000 No question.

00:19:07.000 Let's start with the first one, Keith, which is local government.

00:19:09.000 Why does this matter?

00:19:10.000 A lot of our listeners are like, oh, I don't care about my city government.

00:19:14.000 You know, I live in broken arrow, Oklahoma.

00:19:17.000 What's the difference?

00:19:18.000 Tell us why it matters so much.

00:19:20.000 Charlie, let me frame this out or build this out for you.

00:19:23.000 It matters so much because we are at, and I don't mean kinetically, we are at war with an ideology that seeks to destroy this nation as it stands and our freedoms.

00:19:38.000 And when you are in a battle for the soul, and I would say for the republic as it stands, you can't leave any stone unturned.

00:19:48.000 And if you want to understand why it's so important, I'll just give you an example.

00:19:53.000 The local county judges and the local elected officials were the ones that first instituted the lockdowns.

00:20:03.000 They made the decision to lock everyone down.

00:20:06.000 So the damage to our local local infrastructure as far as economically was done by locally elected judges.

00:20:16.000 That's so true.

00:20:16.000 Now, it wasn't, and it wasn't just about who they were going to give a contract to build the road system.

00:20:22.000 They made the decision who could work and who couldn't work.

00:20:26.000 Because so many local judges did that, that then you had damage to our economic system here in the United States, but you also gave them the impetus to push mail-in voting everywhere.

00:20:42.000 And that started from a local issue.

00:20:44.000 Why do you think George Soros put so much money into local district attorney races?

00:20:50.000 I mean, you have a guy that doesn't even, that is concerned about global things.

00:20:55.000 All of his NGOs are global.

00:20:58.000 Yet he recognizes Open Society Foundation, you know, you name it.

00:21:02.000 They're all six degrees of separation from him.

00:21:05.000 But what you see is local matters.

00:21:07.000 And I will tell you something more important that we haven't thought about.

00:21:10.000 We have to get involved locally in our local Republican clubs.

00:21:14.000 That's exactly who is the, you know, it's not that guy that everyone laughs at anymore in charge because that's the person who puts candidates forward locally.

00:21:22.000 School boards.

00:21:23.000 We've got to support each other.

00:21:25.000 We're going to have to live and fight metaphorically, not kinetically.

00:21:30.000 I'm totally against violence, but we're going to have to, what I always call with my employees, clean the buffalo.

00:21:36.000 We can't leave anything left once we're done, meaning we have to go for the school board.

00:21:43.000 We have to go for the local community college.

00:21:46.000 Because when you do that, you start to not, we can't, we can't, we can't go to a narrative unless we have a foundation and a base to put forward what we believe and what we say.

00:21:57.000 So if we're not involved locally, we can't just jump to nationally because locally is what shut us down in the first place.

00:22:04.000 That's exactly.

00:22:06.000 Our government is different than the European project, where we are actually a local state federal project, where we first had the church, which then formed the city hall, which then found a local government or a county, which then founded states.

00:22:21.000 The states then founded the federal government.

00:22:23.000 That was the actual progression on up.

00:22:25.000 The institution started with the local church.

00:22:27.000 The church used to be the town square.

00:22:29.000 It used to be the city council.

00:22:31.000 And everything else revolved around it.

00:22:32.000 The schools, the medical treatment, this idea of city and local government, the polis, the politic, it all kind of stems from this idea of those of us that what is actually happening around you.

00:22:46.000 And the liberals don't like this idea because it's harder to control people when you have local government.

00:22:51.000 They prefer the European government.

00:22:54.000 I agree, Charlie.

00:22:55.000 You hit the nail on the head.

00:22:57.000 One, with the church, because the founding of this nation, what made it exceptional, and you can read the federal, a lot of the letters from Washington and Jefferson was the spiritual side of this nation.

00:23:08.000 And it also spreads the finances.

00:23:14.000 It spreads the assets of the liberals thin because they can't fight a battle on every front.

00:23:20.000 And remember, the reason they have to fight, the reason they had to go to those states, those swing states and fight early in the courts is because they knew what they were doing was wrong.

00:23:31.000 So they had to go ahead and prep what we call prep the battle space.

00:23:36.000 The interesting thing about being on the side of truth is that it doesn't take a lot of work.

00:23:41.000 And if you have these little truth pockets pop up everywhere, they can't combat it.

00:23:46.000 They can't come in and they have to find the right judges.

00:23:49.000 They have to get laws passed that benefit them. 0.77

00:23:52.000 That's how they tried to pull the election process outside of the state legislatures into the courts and through elected officials and unelected bureaucrats.

00:24:02.000 And just like Solsenitsin said, I mean, again, since you brought him up, the great anti-communist Nobel laureate back when they gave that prize for a reason, he said that I'm going to read it, quote, he said, the core of the crisis that we experience when you deal with totalitarianism, it's created and sustained, but it's not created and sustained politically, but spiritually.

00:24:25.000 And the spiritual, the spiritual foundation starts in the community.

00:24:31.000 It starts in the community church.

00:24:33.000 It starts in the community because people come together.

00:24:36.000 Why do you think when we're trying to lock down, you could open bars, you could open casinos, you could open abortion clinics, but churches, not so much.

00:24:46.000 Because the liberal ideology understands that this is a spiritual fight.

00:24:50.000 It's not a political one.

00:24:52.000 And it's going to take something in a spiritual nature to bring the community back and God's grace to get us where we need to be.

00:24:59.000 So, Keith, I want to ask you about something that you mentioned earlier.

00:25:02.000 And you take this any way you want to go.

00:25:05.000 So I denounced the violence of the Capitol as it was happening right here in this chair and both on Twitter and in the days to follow.

00:25:13.000 Some people did not see it that way and they got very angry.

00:25:16.000 They said, no, this is the time to go to violent means.

00:25:20.000 You mentioned that you do not support kinetic, which means physical violence.

00:25:24.000 Is that the correct way to interpret that?

00:25:26.000 That is correct.

00:25:27.000 And so instead, we want to take peaceful, yet strategic and targeted ways to try and win back the country for good.

00:25:36.000 Can you unpack why you feel that way?

00:25:39.000 I've done it at great length here on this program, but I also just want to kind of take a time to try and tell people that the violent kind of undercurrent that certain people are calling for is not moral.

00:25:51.000 It's not the right thing to do.

00:25:52.000 And it'll actually probably have the opposite intended effect that you might desire.

00:25:58.000 It would absolutely currently have that opposite effect.

00:26:01.000 In fact, I think that some of the new administration may be trying to bait people into that to allow them to take more authoritarian measures and totalitarian measures over society.

00:26:13.000 And we're not in a kinetic war, Charlie, as you know, and you've said this a hundred times, we're in a cultural war.

00:26:20.000 And when people were coming after you and saying, wait a second, you know, at first they were trying to tie you to the violence.

00:26:27.000 They tried to tie President Trump to the violence.

00:26:29.000 It was interesting.

00:26:30.000 I didn't hear anyone say, to my knowledge, we've had close to 100 plus MAGA rallies in the past four years with hundreds of thousands of people.

00:26:41.000 The only violence at those rallies were Antifa and BLM attacking the people that went to the MAGA rallies.

00:26:48.000 Conservatives, when they go to a rally, whether it's 20,000 or 100,000, they clean up after themselves.

00:26:54.000 There's no violence.

00:26:56.000 And there's great strength in our ideas.

00:26:59.000 The reason the liberals have to be violent is because they don't have ideas.

00:27:04.000 They can't compete in the arena of ideas.

00:27:07.000 They can't compete in the arena of reality or success or experience.

00:27:11.000 So what they've done, and we have to get our message across better, is they have to distract through violence.

00:27:18.000 They're almost like a petulant child that says, if I don't get what I want, I'm going to burn it down.

00:27:23.000 And so when we have such great ideas, we need to be peaceful and move with the weight of our idea.

00:27:33.000 But we also don't need to be lazy, meaning we have to be involved on a local and state level.

00:27:39.000 We have to recognize the governors, the state officials that have failed us, and then move.

00:27:46.000 We have a much more powerful weapon than violence, Charlie.

00:27:49.000 We have financial weapons because we are the consumer class.

00:27:54.000 We are the people that can make those decisions.

00:27:57.000 And what we have, and it's going to take some discipline, is, are people willing to give up some of the comforts that they enjoy right now?

00:28:05.000 And I wouldn't even say it's a comfort.

00:28:06.000 It's more of just like a convenience in order to get our country back on the right track, because you're not going to change things by being violent.

00:28:16.000 But where you will change things is by not patronizing people that support politicians or their companies that have turned against our former president and what I think we the people, the Constitution.

00:28:30.000 And there's great power in that.

00:28:31.000 People didn't fear Martin Luther King because they thought he was going to have violent riots.

00:28:37.000 And he was successful because he had nonviolent protests.

00:28:41.000 And so we need to, and this country has a long history of it.

00:28:45.000 We need to have nonviolent civil protests because what scares them more than anything is an organized group of people that strategically plan at every level from this, from the local, state, and federal politically, from the local, state, and federal financially, from the local, state, and federal, you add onto it medically, anything else.

00:29:10.000 We have to take back the pillars of our society and infuse them with what President Trump, I think we're going to look back at President Trump.

00:29:19.000 History will look back at him and say, he was the start again of the citizen politician.

00:29:25.000 The professional politician should be a dinosaur.

00:29:30.000 We need to get back to citizen politicians, people that understand what it's like to pay taxes, to employ people, to do things.

00:29:38.000 I mean, you've seen the first several days of the Biden administration, and we have pain and suffering, jobs lost, industries being overthrown.

00:29:47.000 Now, are we going to get our message out and talk?

00:29:50.000 Are we going to organize or are we just going to leave that?

00:29:53.000 We can't leave it to someone else now.

00:29:54.000 We have a responsibility to pledge our lives, our fortune, and our sacred honor peacefully and to start moving forward.

00:30:02.000 And we start by forming groups in our local chapters, get into your GOP, take the infrastructure, the GOP, it's ours, not theirs, and then build it out from there.

00:30:15.000 You start out locally.

00:30:16.000 That's how you can maybe get something like, I don't know, a convention of the states, or you can get something moving forward.

00:30:22.000 I think that we have to go forward like we have never done before.

00:30:26.000 Not only take back, but it's not about just getting our people back in office.

00:30:31.000 It's about fixing a broken system.

00:30:34.000 We've got a, I'm a physician, you know, I'm a plastic surgeon.

00:30:37.000 We've got a patient that is so overweight that they say the only way they can take care of everyone is to eat more food and become bigger.

00:30:45.000 And nothing gets better as it gets bigger.

00:30:47.000 I think we need to decentralize government.

00:30:49.000 I think we need to decentralize the corrupt power infrastructure.

00:30:55.000 And then the people that are feeding that beast, whether they're lobbyists or companies, we need to identify those companies and not give them business.

00:31:03.000 I mean, it's that simple.

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 And I think that's, that's well said.

00:31:07.000 And there's a lot of opportunities now in front of us.

00:31:10.000 The Democrats are acting as if they have a 58-seat majority in the Senate, not a 50-50 tie.

00:31:17.000 They're acting as if they have a 40-seat majority in the House of Representatives.

00:31:21.000 And there really is no mandate for them to govern.

00:31:24.000 And they're not going to be able to get through their really, really big, you know, ambitious ideas, state additions and that.

00:31:31.000 I did an entire podcast on that, really praising two Democrats, Manchin and Cinema, saying, no, we're not going to break the filibuster, which means that they're not going to be able to get those super ambitious things done.

00:31:42.000 We'll see.

00:31:43.000 Maybe there'll be people there word, maybe not.

00:31:45.000 But at least at the moment, it's going to slow down the legislative priorities for the time being.

00:31:50.000 And so I want to ask you, Keith, about the Republican Party.

00:31:54.000 What kind of Republican Party should we be striving to create?

00:31:57.000 What kind of Republican Party should we be demanding?

00:32:00.000 What kind of Republicans should we be trying to support?

00:32:03.000 Are you a third party guy?

00:32:04.000 Do you like the idea of a third party?

00:32:05.000 I've spoken against trying to form a third party.

00:32:08.000 I think strategically it would be a mistake.

00:32:10.000 Help us unpack that.

00:32:12.000 Third party would be a disaster.

00:32:15.000 All you have to do, again, I'm about history and experience is look at what happened. 1.00

00:32:20.000 You just can't, the numbers don't work.

00:32:23.000 We're not in a parliamentary system.

00:32:25.000 So if you push a third party, and this is something that we can't do right now at this time in history, we can't move on emotions and subjective feelings.

00:32:37.000 We have to start moving objectively.

00:32:39.000 The reason we got to this place in the first part is that we allowed the Democrats to take over the culture based on subjective feelings.

00:32:49.000 And we did not get our message objectively out of the evils of socialism and of the positive things of capitalism.

00:32:59.000 And then when we didn't do that, we all were placated because we were comfortable surfing our smartphones and we got comfortable and we lost sight of why we're here in the first place.

00:33:14.000 And so I think as a Republican Party, I'm speaking for the Republican Party now.

00:33:18.000 First of all, the Republican Party has an identity crisis, if you ask me, as it sits right now.

00:33:26.000 I think they also have a virtue.

00:33:32.000 They're anemic in virtue right now.

00:33:34.000 And there are a lot of, yeah, a big one.

00:33:38.000 That's the best way to say it.

00:33:40.000 And so we need to, we the people, as we rebuild, we need to understand you can't have a third party.

00:33:47.000 If you have a sports team that you love where you're from, you don't just throw the team out and you get rid of the players and you bring in better players.

00:33:58.000 We need to start looking at the people we bring in, not at their words, but at their actions.

00:34:04.000 We need to look at what influences them.

00:34:07.000 And we need to also, Charlie, I think right now we have, and I think Turning Point USA, one of the reasons I support you guys so much is I think you're raising the next generation leaders the right way.

00:34:17.000 And there are folks out there that are my age and I'm older that know that God's put something on their heart, that they need to step into the arena because they have something to offer.

00:34:27.000 Now, it may not be comfortable for them, but I believe we have the leaders that we need for the Republican Party.

00:34:34.000 We just may not know who they are yet.

00:34:36.000 So we have to prepare the party, prepare the party to accept the leadership that's out there that's going to do something about making this nation great again.

00:34:47.000 President Trump came out with headwinds that you and I have talked about.

00:34:50.000 I don't see anyone getting anything done and got so much done.

00:34:54.000 Imagine what it's going to be like when you have a party behind you and everyone pulling in the same direction.

00:35:00.000 So we are going to have to be the generation of accountability in the Republican Party.

00:35:05.000 And that's what we've been missing.

00:35:06.000 And imagine if President Trump had the correct infrastructure around him in the White House just to be able to execute on his agenda.

00:35:15.000 It's amazing, Keith, that he actually served a full term.

00:35:19.000 It's amazing that his agenda was not so unbelievably thwarted by people within that he actually served an entire term.

00:35:26.000 I mean that non-sarcastically, because no, Charlie, it's a miracle.

00:35:31.000 No, seriously, because there were people every step of the way that wanted him gone in the first hundred days, first year, and he served an entire term.

00:35:39.000 And that might seem inconsequential, but there is long-lasting parts of his legacy that now Biden is going to have difficulty unpacking.

00:35:48.000 You know, probably the ones that are going to be the most, how do I word this?

00:35:53.000 That will have the most damage to our country's immigration.

00:35:55.000 The immigration stuff's going to be tough that Biden's doing immediately.

00:35:59.000 But from foreign policy to some of this other stuff, judges, Biden's going to struggle with it.

00:36:05.000 He really will.

00:36:06.000 And there'll be some, there's a lot of pressure points.

00:36:08.000 I mean, now we got men that can go in women's locker rooms and all this other nonsense that eventually can be reversed and scaled back.

00:36:15.000 But President Trump did a lot for our country, and he did a lot despite all of the opposition.

00:36:20.000 And so, so, Keith, for people that are saying out there, they email us in great number, I want a better Republican Party.

00:36:28.000 Who are the good guys?

00:36:29.000 Who are some of the people that are willing to support Keith?

00:36:31.000 What are some of the steps that people can take to reclaim their party?

00:36:36.000 Well, Charlie, I'm glad you asked me that because I worked with a couple guys throughout the Christmas and New Year's break that I will tell you were trench fighters.

00:36:47.000 These guys, you know, my background.

00:36:51.000 You know, I don't throw out compliments a lot, and I'm not real impressed with what I call the ruling class.

00:36:58.000 Scott Perry is a man of honor.

00:37:02.000 Scott Perry is a tireless worker who Scott and I were up around Christmas till midnight working on getting to President Trump, getting him the help that he needed.

00:37:15.000 You say the president, one of his mistakes, and he didn't know because he was served so poorly, is he didn't have control of personnel.

00:37:23.000 And the most important thing, I think, if President Trump gets back in the Oval Office is his office of personnel management is critical.

00:37:32.000 The liberals, the progressives always go after human resources.

00:37:36.000 Where did Stroke go when they demoted him?

00:37:38.000 They put him as the head of HR.

00:37:40.000 He was hiring folks into the bureau, and they know that.

00:37:44.000 So we have to get good people around our leaders to support them.

00:37:48.000 So I think that's critical.

00:37:50.000 But you had Jim Jordan and Scott Perry were two guys that I saw firsthand doing work.

00:37:57.000 And before I came on, I got a call from my congressman's office.

00:38:02.000 And I'm not going to tell you who my congressman is, who I supported a lot.

00:38:05.000 And he's a good man.

00:38:08.000 But unfortunately, I believe my congressman and a lot like him, they didn't do anything to hurt the president.

00:38:17.000 But to me, they didn't do anything to help him.

00:38:20.000 They did not stand in the gap for our president when he was right.

00:38:23.000 They did not use the levers that the Constitution gives us to have a chance to be successful.

00:38:29.000 And if I had one more congressman tell me, I see there was fraud, but can we prove it?

00:38:35.000 I know you, I'll pull my hair out.

00:38:37.000 I mean, I was, I saw a lot more than most, and they didn't have the fight and they didn't.

00:38:44.000 They don't know.

00:38:45.000 And I don't know if they didn't have it because they didn't want to, or they do they not even know how.

00:38:49.000 To me, my strategy would have been: if you're not getting the news, can you imagine what would happen if all the Republican lawmakers got together, agreed on a strategy, and then went back for five days to their districts and had nothing but town hall meetings?

00:39:05.000 And people would come from all over and then open them up to the Democrats too and say, look, we're coming back to the people.

00:39:10.000 We have a national crisis.

00:39:12.000 And they reversed Paul Revered to their constituents.

00:39:16.000 Can you imagine how that would have motivated people, what that would have looked like?

00:39:21.000 The American people are struggling right now because they're discouraged and they're being demoralized, like we talked about with Yuri Besmanov.

00:39:28.000 They not only lost an election, but they saw people not fight and they expected more.

00:39:36.000 And I think that the fight is important.

00:39:38.000 You may not win every battle, but you fight fair, but you do fight.

00:39:43.000 So, I want to ask you about one of the issues here.

00:39:47.000 And I think you and I see this the same way: is that some people have seen all of the valid concerns of, I'm just going to call it shenanigans, if you know what I mean, around the election.

00:40:00.000 There were questions.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, let's put it that way.

00:40:03.000 However, some people are now taking those questions as a reason never to vote again and never to get involved again.

00:40:09.000 And Keith, I'm telling you, this is growing where now people are translating into apathetic political viewers than active.

00:40:19.000 Can you say, as someone who has been raising those questions and was pushing hard why that's the wrong way to handle this?

00:40:27.000 If you're having those feelings, congratulations.

00:40:32.000 Whoever is running this big information operation is winning, and you are falling right into the trap because you're not only having those feelings because you're having them.

00:40:44.000 This was designed to give you those feelings.

00:40:48.000 That's what they want.

00:40:50.000 That's what people that are against freedom want.

00:40:53.000 They don't want to beat you.

00:40:55.000 That's not enough.

00:40:56.000 They have to discourage a movement.

00:40:58.000 They have to demoralize you to the point of apathy.

00:41:02.000 They want you to say it can't get any better.

00:41:05.000 And can you imagine our troops on D-Day?

00:41:09.000 I mean, what they went through as they stormed Normandy.

00:41:14.000 If they just said, you know, we're not going to win, we're not even going to get out of the vote.

00:41:17.000 You have to stay in the fight.

00:41:20.000 And that's why, Charlie, I say it spiritually.

00:41:22.000 There's got to be something inside of you down deep to fight.

00:41:27.000 And I would tell you, our founding fathers, the reason, there's no reason in the history of the world that we should have won the Revolutionary War.

00:41:38.000 None.

00:41:38.000 It didn't make any sense.

00:41:40.000 And I've been doing some research on that.

00:41:42.000 I mean, and what was truly remarkable about that was that how much was working against George Washington during the entire Revolutionary War.

00:41:52.000 You talk about Trump had it bad for four years.

00:41:55.000 During the war with the most powerful nation in the world, everything went wrong.

00:42:00.000 And the red coats were hardened. 0.78

00:42:02.000 They were well disciplined.

00:42:03.000 And Washington, the best word I can describe, his soldiers were ragtag. 0.58

00:42:09.000 And we've talked about this, but they didn't quit.

00:42:12.000 And they didn't quit because they were excited about getting a country with dirt under their feet.

00:42:19.000 They fought for something.

00:42:21.000 They didn't fight the British because they hated the British.

00:42:24.000 British, they fought so hard because they loved freedom.

00:42:29.000 They fought for the ideal of being free because they knew what it looked like not to be free.

00:42:35.000 And so we have to sit back and think: what are we fighting for?

00:42:40.000 You know, the colonists, if you read anything, were they divided over the war.

00:42:44.000 50% of the colonists were not even sure they really wanted that.

00:42:47.000 So, how do patriots prevail against great odds?

00:42:50.000 And the answer lies in the strength of their commitment.

00:42:54.000 George Washington, in his inaugural address, and since we just had an inauguration in the city that's named after General Washington, in his inaugural address, he said, We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself had ordained.

00:43:18.000 And what he was saying was: the reason we won the miracle is because we knew who it came from.

00:43:23.000 It came from God, and they had that spiritual thing inside of them, whatever that looks like to you, where they loved freedom and they were willing to do everything for it.

00:43:32.000 Because these were young guys.

00:43:33.000 These weren't a bunch of old guys at the end of their life.

00:43:35.000 They were young men when they fought, the majority of them.

00:43:38.000 And so I would tell everyone that I get the disappointment.

00:43:43.000 I get the fact that people that we petitioned, people that we worked hard for, we fought to get people in office.

00:43:51.000 I gave a lot of money to a lot of different people.

00:43:54.000 I did everything in my power up until the inauguration to help this country.

00:43:59.000 And I've given a lot of my life to fight for this country.

00:44:03.000 And I will tell you, you don't do it because of I hated the bad guys or I hate the Democrats.

00:44:10.000 I do it because I love freedom.

00:44:12.000 So I would tell everyone to make a decision inside themselves.

00:44:16.000 They need to look at themselves in the mirror.

00:44:18.000 I look at my children.

00:44:20.000 I look at my wife.

00:44:22.000 You know, my wife is from Mexico and she grew up in Mexico.

00:44:25.000 She came over when she was 19 and she understands what it's like not to live in a country with the same freedoms that we have here.

00:44:33.000 And so I would tell everyone: we have to live unhindered, uncompromised, and unbound in our determination to go after freedom.

00:44:46.000 And we've got to start, and there's no detail too small.

00:44:49.000 There's no battle too light that we don't need to fight it.

00:44:53.000 And if we do this as 74, 80 million people, we'll have an awakening in this nation.

00:44:59.000 And I'll tell you what, you know why I know it'll be successful?

00:45:03.000 Because the tech tyrants are deplatforming everyone on Twitter that's conservative.

00:45:07.000 They're taking everyone's followers.

00:45:09.000 Why are they doing that?

00:45:10.000 If they're going to be successful, they make money by keeping people on Twitter.

00:45:14.000 Why are they willing to lose money?

00:45:15.000 Because they know we can be successful.

00:45:18.000 Why are they banishing President Trump from all forms of communication?

00:45:21.000 Because they know we can be successful.

00:45:23.000 Why are they a cancel culture where they will literally take someone's job for his political beliefs?

00:45:28.000 Because they know his political beliefs are so strong that it will tear apart the foundation of lies that has propped up socialism for eternity.

00:45:39.000 And they know that it can happen because there's 80 million of us that believe in freedom.

00:45:45.000 It's that simple.

00:45:47.000 It's well said.

00:45:48.000 Well, Keith, thank you for joining us.

00:45:50.000 And thank you for that wonderful message.

00:45:52.000 The scalpel with Keith Rose.

00:45:53.000 You mean to like, yeah, I just, I think we can win.

00:45:57.000 I think you can build out, Charlie.

00:45:58.000 Use that big brain of yours to how on the local and state levels.

00:46:02.000 But there's a lot of people that need to be positioned to do that.

00:46:06.000 And I hope people keep supporting you, man, because your podcast should be number one.

00:46:11.000 If I was Joe Rogan, I'd be sweating.

00:46:13.000 Well, we're climbing.

00:46:14.000 Keep it going, brother.

00:46:15.000 We're number four today right now in news, right?

00:46:17.000 We're number eight overall.

00:46:19.000 So we were number one conservative podcast yesterday right behind the New York Times and NPR.

00:46:24.000 I think we're two today.

00:46:25.000 So we're up there, Keith.

00:46:26.000 You know, we're in the fight.

00:46:27.000 We're in the game, which is good.

00:46:29.000 But any closing thoughts, Keith, for our audience?

00:46:32.000 You know, you're someone that has really been in this struggle for quite some time, and it really is a struggle of good versus evil.

00:46:40.000 Any closing thoughts?

00:46:41.000 I would tell folks that remember, everyone's watching us.

00:46:47.000 The entire world is watching us.

00:46:49.000 I have friends all over the world.

00:46:51.000 And my friends that I'm close to all want the success of this nation because as one guy told me from Pakistan, he said, look, you're the only place we get to go to be free.

00:47:03.000 And he was like, you guys can't fall apart.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, amen.

00:47:06.000 But on a serious note, we have a Department of Justice, a Federal Bureau of Investigation that spent a majority of time that we now know for political reasons going after our president.

00:47:20.000 We have a country where the people that should be protecting us from foreign threats and from criminality and from and be protecting the United States of America have been spending our money with their time to observe certain things in this country for political reason. 0.68

00:47:41.000 And that should make everyone stand up and pay attention that we can't leave any part of the Buffalo unclean.

00:47:48.000 And that goes for national, you know, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the CIA. 0.61

00:47:54.000 We have to get our house in order because currently we're a house divided and a house divided can't stand.

00:48:00.000 So we need to have a sobering time of recognizing how tough this is going to be.

00:48:05.000 And then what did Thomas Paine said?

00:48:08.000 The more glorious, the harder the challenge, the more glorious the triumph.

00:48:13.000 I mean, are we still true Americans?

00:48:15.000 I think we are.

00:48:15.000 I think we can get after it.

00:48:17.000 But it's going to take groups like yours organizing and speaking the truth, Charlie.

00:48:21.000 Don't ever let them, you never do.

00:48:24.000 You've stood for it since day one.

00:48:25.000 And people don't probably realize how young you are, but I do.

00:48:29.000 And I mean, I respect you more than you know.

00:48:31.000 So don't stop doing what you're doing.

00:48:33.000 And there are a lot of guys like me that are a little bit older that spend a lot of time working for this country that are out there that will come back in and work again to try to help make it great.

00:48:43.000 And we need to identify those guys and learn from them.

00:48:47.000 And then I would tell you, I pray that President Trump, as he decides what he's going to do, I would like to make a recommendation.

00:48:55.000 I know he came out with the office of the former president of the United States, but I think he should make his platform the office of the future president of the United States.

00:49:06.000 And don't be shy.

00:49:09.000 Don't back down.

00:49:10.000 Stand on truth and have courage.

00:49:12.000 And then, sir, we'll get you some better people around you and we can get after it.

00:49:17.000 So I pray President Trump does that.

00:49:20.000 I think it's great.

00:49:20.000 We need an office of the future president.

00:49:22.000 He can make announcements every day. 0.98

00:49:24.000 You know, liberal heads will explode.

00:49:26.000 It'll be kind of fun.

00:49:27.000 I love it.

00:49:27.000 Keith, God bless you, man.

00:49:29.000 Thanks so much for joining us.

00:49:30.000 And thanks for all you do for our country.

00:49:31.000 We'll talk soon.

00:49:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 31, 2021

Live Not By Lies with Dr. Keith Rose

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