The Charlie Kirk Show - Live Panel Extravaganza with Steve Bannon, James Lindsay, Tim Pool, and Harmeet Dhillon

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00:00:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:20.000 George W. Bush was like, we need more war.

00:01:22.000 We need more national security.

00:01:23.000 We need the Patriot Act. 0.97

00:01:24.000 And I was like, you guys are crazy. 0.97

00:01:25.000 It's going to be used against you guys. 0.97

00:01:27.000 What's happening right now?

00:01:28.000 It's being used against you guys.

00:01:30.000 Hang on.

00:01:31.000 But that is why guys like yourselves, this platform, Glenn Greenwald, Matt TB, listen, that used to be the leading edge of the First Amendment.

00:01:41.000 And now we see this is so dark and unbelievable.

00:01:44.000 The FBI has taken with the CIA, in the DHS, with those venture capital firms that they're very close to in Silicon Valley, plus the ones they've started up.

00:01:54.000 Yep.

00:01:54.000 They control the dialogue.

00:01:56.000 This is so obvious. 0.99

00:01:57.000 It's so in your freaking face. 0.99

00:01:59.000 I think, Steve, you said earlier that something changed when Kennedy got killed. 0.99

00:02:01.000 And I think what happened was that the U.S., there was a revolution in the government to a military government that wanted to set up military bases all over Earth, make sure we circumvent World War III.

00:02:10.000 They was in 1940s, basically, with the liberal economic order.

00:02:14.000 And we're just now recently kind of...

00:02:16.000 I'm starting to see it.

00:02:18.000 This is like ancient Rome when the Republic fell and the Empire came up.

00:02:22.000 The elite legionnaires, because you couldn't take the legions into Rome itself, but they had a core of legionnaires called the Praetorian Guard.

00:02:29.000 And the Praetorian Guard got into the business of selecting the emperors.

00:02:34.000 The ones we like are going to be weak and weak in control.

00:02:36.000 We're going to put in power.

00:02:38.000 The strong ones, we're going to get rid of.

00:02:39.000 What the administrative state in the deep state is, is a modern Praetorian Guard, and this is an American empire.

00:02:46.000 We have an obligation, left and right, to come together and to deconstruct the administrative state.

00:02:54.000 And the only people we should be backing for public office is those people that have titanium balls, right?

00:03:00.000 That will make this their number one priority.

00:03:02.000 I'm not running for office.

00:03:04.000 I'm not running for office. 0.98

00:03:05.000 But he does have titanium balls. 0.97

00:03:07.000 He was on my Wikipedia for a little while. 0.95

00:03:09.000 So I have a question, though, about Elon buying Twitter.

00:03:12.000 When Elon initially tried to back out, my theory was he gets in, some of the nitty-gritty and sees national security letters or some kind of government roadblock, something jamming up the system.

00:03:23.000 And then he's like, okay, I can't buy this.

00:03:25.000 But then, of course, they're like, no, you have to buy it now.

00:03:28.000 I wonder if he saw signs before buying it that this is how bad it was.

00:03:32.000 I mean, he just said that on Twitter.

00:03:33.000 He said it was destined for bankruptcy by May.

00:03:36.000 But the FBI involvement.

00:03:37.000 Well, of course.

00:03:38.000 I mean, this is what we're talking about, right?

00:03:41.000 So we tie together what Luke is saying, what Steve is saying.

00:03:44.000 What's happening is that we are unleashing with the power of social media, with a power of communication.

00:03:49.000 For us to be able to talk, to have these shows, we are unleashing a second flame of the enlightenment throughout the West.

00:03:55.000 And these frauds know they're going to get deposed.

00:03:57.000 They know they're going to get exposed.

00:03:58.000 Know they're going to be seen, and they know they're going to be in all kinds of trouble for the crimes that they've been committing.

00:04:03.000 So, Elon Musk steps into Twitter, wants to buy this thing, and all of a sudden they're like, uh-oh, we've been running a SIOP, an op, an op, a psyop, yeah, an active measure.

00:04:14.000 That's right.

00:04:15.000 This isn't even like controlled opposition kind of language.

00:04:17.000 This is an active measure that was being waged against the country.

00:04:21.000 And what people don't understand is what we're dealing with is literally called unconventional warfare.

00:04:25.000 We're deep, deep, deep into an unconventional war. 0.99

00:04:28.000 This is why memes are so powerful, as stupid as that sounds, because it disrupts their owner. 0.99

00:04:32.000 It disrupts their control over. 1.00

00:04:34.000 That's right.

00:04:35.000 But this is why the FBI specifically went after memes.

00:04:38.000 They went after satire.

00:04:39.000 Exactly.

00:04:39.000 They went after people who were making jokes because they know that's and that's Al Blazinski even talks about this when it comes to mock looing your enemy.

00:04:46.000 But I want to add to Bannon's point really quick here because I believe that the U.S. intelligency had a coup d'état when they took out JFK.

00:04:53.000 100%. 0.65

00:04:53.000 They had Vietnam. 0.65

00:04:54.000 They had the CIA dosing people with acid.

00:04:57.000 They sparked the cultural revolution.

00:04:59.000 Some people think it was the libertarian ideas that sparked the revolution.

00:05:01.000 No, it was too much government doing too many things, acting too crazy, acting like it was the emperor.

00:05:06.000 That spurred a cultural revolution, which the intelligence agencies have been writing on the back of with promoting degeneracy, trying to destroy the family unit, a part of their larger depopulation agenda.

00:05:16.000 But that's just my two sentences.

00:05:17.000 That's 100% right.

00:05:18.000 That's a lot there.

00:05:19.000 That's 100% right.

00:05:21.000 And expanding an empire.

00:05:23.000 We don't want an empire.

00:05:24.000 Our founders didn't want an empire.

00:05:26.000 We fought.

00:05:27.000 Remember, the British Empire was just about to head to the top of its game with India and the British East India Company.

00:05:32.000 Our founders said, We don't want to be a part of that.

00:05:35.000 We don't want an oligarchy running us, and we don't want a landed aristocracy running us, and we're prepared to go to war and sacrifice our lives to do that, to fight that.

00:05:43.000 That's what we have to do today, because that's what they've built, and that's what they're trying to protect. 0.59

00:05:47.000 One problem I'm having is that the House of Representatives is sort of an oligarchy, unfortunately.

00:05:52.000 They're bribable.

00:05:53.000 And I wonder if we could build like a system of decentralized, you know, smart contracts where everyone could represent their unit, like all 700,000 of us from a district could vote yes or no on something.

00:06:02.000 And then that'll go to the Senate.

00:06:03.000 We still have a Senate to veto the crazy mob. 0.98

00:06:06.000 But do we really need this vulnerability anymore?

00:06:08.000 I'm on a roll and you're going blackchain on me.

00:06:12.000 No, no, no.

00:06:13.000 Let me say no.

00:06:14.000 The founders set it up so that the House of Representatives is always there.

00:06:17.000 We should be winning House seats.

00:06:19.000 We should have dominant control of the House, right?

00:06:22.000 We should make it the weapon.

00:06:25.000 Remember, the founders gave it the ability to taxes, appropriations, war, all of it is with the people.

00:06:32.000 They wanted that as the closest thing in this republic.

00:06:34.000 And everybody in this audience, left and right, should come together.

00:06:38.000 Populist nationalists should come together and say, take a stand and say, no more.

00:06:42.000 We've seen what it did to Kennedy, to Nixon, even, now to Trump.

00:06:46.000 And they're going to do it with it.

00:06:47.000 If Bernie Sanders got in there, they do the same exact thing to Bernie Sanders.

00:06:50.000 This is a little wild.

00:06:51.000 You know, Ian and Luke both bring up JFK, but we just saw that report from Tucker Carlson, where he said he talked to a source.

00:06:59.000 The CIA was involved, they told him, with the assassination of JFK.

00:07:02.000 Do you think that they were involved with Robert Kennedy's assassination also?

00:07:05.000 Obviously.

00:07:06.000 Duh.

00:07:07.000 Luke's just like, let it all out.

00:07:10.000 Do you trust the government, Ian?

00:07:11.000 Sorry.

00:07:12.000 Sorry.

00:07:12.000 Yes, you do.

00:07:13.000 I don't trust anybody, Luke.

00:07:15.000 That's why I want to decide.

00:07:16.000 That's why I like smart contracts, because if we're voting for our, if we're representing ourselves, we don't have to rely on one guy to tell someone what 700,000 of us think.

00:07:24.000 I don't trust that guy.

00:07:24.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:07:28.000 Speak up.

00:07:29.000 So we got a silent moment. 0.98

00:07:30.000 I can go deep into some weird philosophy thing instead of like this specific crap. 0.97

00:07:34.000 I don't understand. 0.85

00:07:36.000 So I want to get more abstract.

00:07:38.000 No, I do.

00:07:38.000 I want to talk about what Steve just said because I don't think enough Americans understand what America's about.

00:07:43.000 We can talk about voting schemes and all policy shit and all this all we want. 0.95

00:07:46.000 I don't think most Americans understand what America is about. 0.97

00:07:49.000 And Steve actually just touched on it.

00:07:50.000 And the key thing is that America is founded on a single important key principle is that not one of us is God.

00:07:58.000 Yes.

00:07:58.000 That's the key principle of this country.

00:08:00.000 So what that means, if we're not God, true authority lies in God.

00:08:05.000 Whether you believe in God or not, you take it as a simple or as a literal thing, doesn't matter.

00:08:09.000 True authority lies in God.

00:08:11.000 You're not God.

00:08:12.000 Therefore, you don't have any true authority over any other man.

00:08:15.000 And now we have our anarchist friend like nodding along, of course.

00:08:18.000 Therefore, what are we going to do?

00:08:19.000 We're going to set up a system where we lend political authority, with restrictions, with time limits, with all kinds of...

00:08:27.000 balanced, divided powers, so that they can't run amok, so that we don't become an empire, because we're not God.

00:08:33.000 It's that simple.

00:08:34.000 And if you don't understand the basis of this, what's John Locke?

00:08:36.000 What's he saying?

00:08:37.000 John Locke has said, well, we got to secure life, liberty and property.

00:08:39.000 Why does he say that?

00:08:40.000 Thomas Jefferson echoes it in the declaration, life liberty, pursuit of happiness.

00:08:43.000 Why do they say this?

00:08:44.000 They say this because if they can't kill you, they can't lock you up and they can't take your property, then they can't control how you think and they can't control how you believe and they can't control how you worship God, and that's what it means to be a free human being.

00:08:58.000 But they can control the food supply and the water sources, and we need to make sure that we have decentralized food and water as well, obviously.

00:09:05.000 I mean, now we're getting into Kissinger.

00:09:06.000 Oh my god, I didn't realize.

00:09:07.000 You know, whoever controls the food controls the region.

00:09:09.000 Who controls the energy controls the nation.

00:09:12.000 Whoever controls the money controls the world.

00:09:14.000 Yeah yeah, are you uh?

00:09:15.000 Do you believe in god?

00:09:15.000 Are you atheist?

00:09:16.000 I am an agnostic is the fancy word of the day, but but let me say this, I I rail against secularism all the time, and James and I had this conversation yesterday and I think secularism is a threat to the West, but a much greater threat than not believing in god is believing you are god, and that is a much more dangerous threat.

00:09:36.000 I will be partners with any atheist or agnostic, even though i'm an evangelical, bible believing Christian, to fight the people that believe they are god, because that is a much greater threat than not being sure if there is a god.

00:09:49.000 Listen, that's the fight of the west, that's the, that's the drama of the entire West.

00:09:53.000 There's these three competing reigns, the ring Realms. 0.59

00:09:56.000 There's reason, there's faith.

00:09:58.000 Then there's this people who get to believe that they, they think they know everybody, they're better everybody, better than everybody, they know everything.

00:10:04.000 They have the Gnosis, the special knowledge, the secret knowledge, the revelation, the plan for the universe, and they get to enact it on us. 0.99

00:10:11.000 We don't get to enact our will because we are stupid and don't know it. 0.99

00:10:15.000 Those people are the enemy and everybody who knows that we're, not. 1.00

00:10:18.000 Those people are on the same team.

00:10:20.000 Well, there's another, there's another layer to this that I wanted to bring up, because you know, if you guys don't believe in god, you have to understand the, the very powerful people in charge.

00:10:27.000 They believe in something.

00:10:28.000 There's a reason they go to the Behemian Grove.

00:10:30.000 There's a reason they hang out with Uh Marina Brovermich and do spirit cooking.

00:10:33.000 There's a reason they hang out with all these devil worshiper, satanists and they do horrible things on private islands that we can't even speak about on this show.

00:10:41.000 So there is a spiritual war happening right now, whether you could deny it or not, but what's happening and it's here and religion is is a part of that war.

00:10:47.000 Let's talk about young people, because what you're, what you're all basically saying, is main character syndrome, which I think we're seeing a lot of in millennials and some gen Z, where people think nothing outside of me matters.

00:10:57.000 I also think, to a certain degree, we're seeing this in every generation and and and the way I see it manifest is when police officers go to say, say, there's a an all-ages drag event in Texas where they're explicitly, Explicitly engaging in things inappropriate for kids.

00:11:13.000 I'm talking about what we just saw in San Antonio with simulated sodomy and things like that.

00:11:18.000 There should be no question that the police would go in there and say, hey, you can't do this, but they're not willing to do it.

00:11:23.000 And I think because even for these police officers, many who are probably in their 30s or a little older are like, I'm not getting involved.

00:11:29.000 I'm going to get yelled at.

00:11:29.000 They're going to get mad at me.

00:11:30.000 So it's not just main character syndrome.

00:11:32.000 It's also, I'm not going to risk myself for whatever this is.

00:11:36.000 And if we don't have a cohesive culture where people are willing to stand up for each other, then it just falls apart.

00:11:41.000 Or maybe it already did.

00:11:42.000 I mean, this is that unconventional warfare.

00:11:43.000 This is what they do in unconventional warfare.

00:11:45.000 They make these provocations. 1.00

00:11:47.000 Drag queens are a provocation. 1.00

00:11:49.000 It's been an escalating provocation. 1.00

00:11:50.000 First, they're just dressing up in kind of somewhat, you know, careful dress with their clown makeup groomer clowns or whatever, reading stories.

00:11:58.000 Next thing you know, Tim and I were talking about this yesterday. 0.97

00:12:00.000 Next thing you know, they're dancing, they're grinding, they're sexual dancing, they're dwerking. 1.00

00:12:04.000 The next thing you know, they're doing simulated sex acts in front of children. 0.96

00:12:07.000 And every step of the way, this is what Tim was saying to me yesterday.

00:12:10.000 So this is Tim's credit, gets the credit for this, is every step of the way, they're saying, no, no, no, no, it's just this.

00:12:14.000 No, no, no, it's just this.

00:12:15.000 Escalate, escalate, escalate.

00:12:17.000 This is an unconventional warfare tactic to provoke the goal.

00:12:21.000 You guys remember George Floyd?

00:12:23.000 The goal is to have drag Floyd.

00:12:25.000 And I'm serious.

00:12:26.000 This is deadly serious.

00:12:28.000 Chappelle speaks about this all the time, especially when it comes to dressing actors in drag.

00:12:32.000 But it even goes bigger because Balenciaga was not an accident.

00:12:35.000 What was happening there was a deliberate escalation of the culture war of them bragging how far they could take it.

00:12:40.000 I agree.

00:12:41.000 I agree.

00:12:41.000 The West was largely built on a biblical principle, and James agrees on distinctions.

00:12:46.000 A distinction between God and man, a distinction between man and nature, a distinction between adult and child.

00:12:51.000 The Bible at its best is a book of distinctions, understanding your place in the world.

00:12:55.000 America understood this.

00:12:56.000 It's why we're the freest, greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:12:59.000 Everything the deconstructionists are trying to do right now, from citizen and police officer to rule of law versus anarchy, is to destroy distinctions, especially when it comes to children.

00:13:10.000 They do not believe that there should be any different treatment when it comes to children, sexually or biologically, medically.

00:13:17.000 They must destroy the distinctions. 0.90

00:13:19.000 This is part of their theological, really screwed up view.

00:13:22.000 What is the defender of a distinction?

00:13:24.000 A courageous citizen.

00:13:25.000 It's up for us to say, no, no, no, we are going to have the distinction between an adult and a child.

00:13:30.000 We are going to have the distinction between God and men.

00:13:33.000 We are going to have a distinction.

00:13:36.000 In fact, that's what keeps us free.

00:13:38.000 It is the distinction.

00:13:39.000 I want to say one thing to James.

00:13:40.000 You said the credit goes to me.

00:13:42.000 I disagree.

00:13:43.000 When the drag queen story hour stuff started, everyone started saying, hey, this is grooming. 0.95

00:13:48.000 And the immediate defense from the left was, no, no, no, they're just reading books.

00:13:51.000 And you'd come out and you'd say, yeah, but drag queen performances are removal of clothes, accepting of cash on stage. 1.00

00:13:57.000 It's very akin to bikini bars or stripping.

00:13:59.000 And they'd say, it's just reading a book.

00:14:00.000 Then they started doing all-ages drag dance shows.

00:14:03.000 And they say, it's just dancing.

00:14:04.000 It's just dancing.

00:14:05.000 And that's how they move you increment by increment to the point now where we saw in, I think it was San Antonio, where they actually had exposed fake breasts in front of children. 0.99

00:14:13.000 They had men simulating sodomy. 0.99

00:14:15.000 And then the craziest thing is there's a journalist on Twitter right now arguing with, I think, Taylor Hanson's name, saying, or is it Tyler?

00:14:22.000 I don't know, Taylor, saying, it didn't happen.

00:14:24.000 It's a fake video.

00:14:24.000 You edited it.

00:14:25.000 Despite the fact there's a dozen of them, now they're moving into denial.

00:14:29.000 The craziest thing about this, and I want to give a shout out to Project Veritas, when they did and give Project Veritas money, I mean that because they're a nonprofit and they rely on everyone's support for doing this.

00:14:41.000 When they put out this video from Chicago where the dean of students is talking about kink education for children in a score, Francis Parker School, I'm getting from the people I know on the left, they're saying, but Tim, it's just sex ed.

00:14:53.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no, hold on.

00:14:54.000 It's just. 0.94

00:14:55.000 Teaching children about reproduction when you think it's appropriate for them is very different from teaching them how to lube something for kink. 0.98

00:15:01.000 That is something totally different, and that's what we're seeing with these all-ages drag shows. 0.99

00:15:05.000 I mean, that's why I made those podcasts back in October, November last year. 0.97

00:15:08.000 I called them groomer schools.

00:15:09.000 And it's just been, you know, I, of course, got blasted off of Twitter for this.

00:15:13.000 Back on Twitter.

00:15:14.000 Thanks, Elon.

00:15:16.000 Don't cuck this up now. 0.94

00:15:19.000 My gosh. 0.97

00:15:20.000 So here I am.

00:15:21.000 And I think somebody backstage owes me money because I said that.

00:15:23.000 But anyway, anyway, what I did was I've just been proved right again and again and again.

00:15:30.000 Okay, okay, groomer.

00:15:30.000 Okay, groomer.

00:15:31.000 And the goal is this, again, this escalating.

00:15:34.000 I said unconventional warfare.

00:15:35.000 This is so important.

00:15:36.000 I talked to Tim early this year, the first time I went on the show this year with Tim, I was like, listen, political warfare is the most important concept you've never heard of.

00:15:42.000 Unconventional warfare, political warfare, this mid-level violence provocation is so critical to understand because they're giving you a choice. 1.00

00:15:49.000 They put a drag queen. 1.00

00:15:50.000 Oh, it's just a story. 1.00

00:15:51.000 Oh, it's just dancing.

00:15:52.000 And what you're going to do is you're going to give in, at which point they're going to enter into their generative themes, educational method into living queerly, strategic defiance. 0.66

00:15:59.000 This is straight out of their literature that they say is the real goal of drag queen story. 0.51

00:16:04.000 We're going to leave a trail of glitter that will never come out of the carpet. 0.53

00:16:06.000 It's the last sentence in that paper, talking about your kids' brains.

00:16:10.000 And then either you give into it and they get to do that, or you go too hard and you mess up and they make a video of you looking bad and then they start trying to smear you as an anti-groomer or as rising anti-LGBT hate.

00:16:23.000 This is the thought terminating cliché.

00:16:24.000 So people don't think about it.

00:16:25.000 Oh, that's bad.

00:16:26.000 Don't ask questions.

00:16:26.000 Don't think.

00:16:27.000 Just stop and say the person who did that's bad.

00:16:29.000 And the goal is to get you to give in so they get their way or overreact. 0.59

00:16:33.000 And that's where I say drag Floyd. 0.90

00:16:34.000 It's so important to understand that they want a drag queen to get attacked. 0.88

00:16:38.000 And they want to make a huge amount of hay of it. 0.96

00:16:39.000 And they want to create summer 2020 again off of a drag queen or a trans person or something like this. 0.81

00:16:45.000 Meanwhile, what are they peppering the environment with? 0.90

00:16:47.000 This is called in unconventional warfare, operational preparation of the environment.

00:16:51.000 It used to be operational preparation of the battlefield.

00:16:53.000 That's why the intelligence communities being involved in this is so critical.

00:16:56.000 They know this stuff.

00:16:57.000 And what are they doing? 1.00

00:16:58.000 Oh, stochastic terrorism, stochastic terrorism, stochastic terrorism. 0.94

00:17:02.000 Everybody who talks about this is a stochastic terrorist. 0.98

00:17:04.000 It's only a matter of time till there's violence.

00:17:07.000 And what do all the articles do?

00:17:08.000 They wrap it up.

00:17:09.000 They're like, oh, James Lindsey, Tim Poole, Jack Posobiec, all these people.

00:17:12.000 They're saying groomer, Marjorie Taylor Greene, saying groomer, Lauren Boebert, groomer.

00:17:16.000 These people are going to cause violence.

00:17:18.000 They're going to have stochastic terrorism.

00:17:20.000 And then what are they going to do?

00:17:21.000 Oh, and Elon Musk let them all back on Twitter.

00:17:22.000 So then they're going to get control back of the media so they can keep control of the dialogue and of the narrative.

00:17:28.000 Do you see that there is a strategy?

00:17:30.000 There is a plan.

00:17:31.000 They have a plan.

00:17:32.000 This can be beaten just by calling it out ahead of time. 1.00

00:17:35.000 So they look like jerks when they do it. 0.99

00:17:37.000 They're going to try to get control. 1.00

00:17:38.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:17:39.000 Yeah, of course, of course.

00:17:40.000 And they may or may not get it.

00:17:42.000 But if you don't know that this is happening to you, you're standing in what they might call the wizard circle with a spell cast on you.

00:17:48.000 How can you say they're trying to get control?

00:17:49.000 They removed Trump from office.

00:17:52.000 By the way, by the way, on his watch.

00:17:53.000 With Twitter.

00:17:54.000 Twitter specifically.

00:17:55.000 I think Elon Musk, too.

00:17:57.000 Elon Musk, they're going to blow out Elon Musk.

00:17:59.000 That's the one I'm saying.

00:18:00.000 100%.

00:18:01.000 You think he's over there in Qatar begging for money because the thing, all the advertisers are cutting off?

00:18:05.000 He's bleeding cash.

00:18:07.000 He said today, was it, that Twitter could be bankrupt by May.

00:18:11.000 Or since May, it's been heading towards bankruptcy.

00:18:13.000 Bankruptcy.

00:18:13.000 Since May, you're heading towards bankruptcy.

00:18:15.000 The thing's, what, bleeding five or seven million dollars a year?

00:18:18.000 A day.

00:18:19.000 Excuse me.

00:18:19.000 A day.

00:18:20.000 They're in control.

00:18:22.000 They're in control right now.

00:18:23.000 The administrative state controls the federal government.

00:18:28.000 It's far bigger and in more parts of our life than anybody ever imagined.

00:18:32.000 And you know, the Leviathan, and it's got to be confronted.

00:18:36.000 And you can't confront it with half measures anymore.

00:18:39.000 You have to take it on.

00:18:40.000 That's why you got to choke it down and say, hey, we're going to zero the FBI.

00:18:45.000 The FBI gets no money whatsoever.

00:18:47.000 Zero.

00:18:48.000 Okay?

00:18:48.000 The Department of Justice.

00:18:50.000 Hallelujah.

00:18:52.000 Hallelujah.

00:18:53.000 And the HEF, the DEA.

00:18:55.000 I know we're at the Tim Poole show with the great co-host, but this is a relatively conservative audience, and they're cheering to defund the FBI because they understand the FBI is the modern American Gestapo.

00:19:10.000 Defund everything and the Parks Department.

00:19:12.000 Specifically, the Parks Department.

00:19:14.000 Anyway, I just wanted to add one more single point about because this latest trip by Elon Musk is also very telling with the optics, with him being seen with Jared Kushner, the guy who, of course, lobbied against Trump's very populist policies, the guy who, of course, advocated for the bombing of a sovereign country and got it done.

00:19:14.000 I'm concerned about.

00:19:30.000 The guy who, of course, negotiated better weapons deals for Saudi Arabia.

00:19:33.000 He was there with him.

00:19:34.000 So that kind of brings up to the point what Bannon was making here, that there is a possibility that there is some bigger money moves being made here.

00:19:41.000 Well, for sure.

00:19:42.000 You said earlier, Steve, just a minute ago, that the administrative state controls the government, but I wonder where they get their money.

00:19:46.000 The entire government needs money.

00:19:48.000 The Federal Reserve.

00:19:49.000 And where does the Federal Reserve get their money?

00:19:51.000 They hit a thing and create it.

00:19:53.000 Well, they get it from the Swiss bank, the Bank for International Settlements.

00:19:56.000 What's the Swiss bank that deals out to all these Federal Reserves around the world?

00:20:00.000 And so we're basically being run by this global banking cartel at the moment, remotely.

00:20:05.000 Remember, the Federal Reserve as the head of the cartel just hits F9 and creates it.

00:20:10.000 They just created, they are putting you, everybody in this audience under 35 years old is nothing more than a Russian serf.

00:20:10.000 Okay?

00:20:18.000 You don't own anything and you're not going to own anything.

00:20:21.000 But you'll be happy.

00:20:22.000 You'll be happy.

00:20:23.000 They give you a little bit of credit and they put you on the wheel of Samsara like a hamster, right?

00:20:27.000 You just spin and you maybe get a little bit more.

00:20:30.000 But right now, even family formation is later because it's tough for a couple even to make it.

00:20:37.000 They've taken, what, $13.5 trillion of net worth out of this economy, out of our middle class and working class in the last nine months.

00:20:45.000 The Federal Reserve, here's the scam.

00:20:48.000 The Federal Reserve just creates it.

00:20:50.000 Just creates it.

00:20:51.000 It's not backed by any bonds.

00:20:53.000 They can't sell bonds to Japanese insurance companies or the Chinese.

00:20:56.000 Nobody buys it. 0.78

00:20:57.000 They create, they call monetize the debt.

00:20:59.000 That means it's on your, you are the full faith and credit of the United States.

00:21:03.000 They create it, and the administrative state, they'll take all of it they can get. 0.63

00:21:07.000 How do you think we got $31 trillion on the Treasury, $9 trillion on the Fed, another $30 trillion on Social Security and Medicaid, and another contingent liabilities of $100 trillion because the administrative state has a funding mechanism.

00:21:24.000 It's called the Federal Reserve.

00:21:25.000 We have to end the Fed.

00:21:27.000 We should not have...

00:21:29.000 If you want freedom from the founding of the country, from the founding of the country into the founding of the Federal Reserve, almost the entire 19th century was about populism in the fight over currency and the definition of money and who created it.

00:21:44.000 And they stopped that because they realized the populist movement was starting to get traction with William Jennings Bryan and others.

00:21:50.000 Right after Andrew Jackson and Lincoln being a nationalist, they said, we got to stop that.

00:21:55.000 Okay?

00:21:55.000 The way they stopped is the Federal Reserve.

00:21:57.000 We have to take down the administrative state.

00:21:59.000 We have to grab the Federal Reserve by the neck and choke it down.

00:22:03.000 Right now, it's owned by, do you understand your currency's owned by 31 banks, 31 prime brokers own the Federal Reserve, create it and make money off it, and you live like a pauper?

00:22:14.000 This can't happen.

00:22:16.000 We need a revolution in this country.

00:22:18.000 And this revolution's got to go.

00:22:19.000 This revolution's got to go to the railhead of where the money is.

00:22:23.000 We've got to take control of the Federal Reserve and choke down the administrative state.

00:22:27.000 And anybody that's not on that program is nothing more than controlled opposition.

00:22:32.000 We almost had that.

00:22:33.000 And Tim, you were on the front lines of this.

00:22:35.000 And you talk about this really well.

00:22:37.000 But let me just kind of hand it off to you in a second because I'd love your thoughts.

00:22:39.000 The Occupy movement saw it correctly in one way and incorrectly in another way.

00:22:43.000 Tea Party movement was happening almost simultaneously because there was a series of decisions that were made by Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner, Ben Bernanke all after the 08 crisis.

00:22:54.000 Could have allowed the system to recorrect, not put in all this fake money, but they made a decision and they knew exactly what they were doing.

00:23:01.000 Modern monetary theory, baby, $800 billion of stimulus, which used to be a lot of money, and we're going to engage in a decade-long sugar high, and the only way we're going to end is in a currency reset.

00:23:11.000 Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner, three former Goldman Sachs guys, by the way, knew exactly what was happening.

00:23:16.000 Tea Party movement saw it through a conservative lens.

00:23:18.000 Too big of government, cut the taxes, we don't like it.

00:23:21.000 Occupy saw it through more of a left-wing lens.

00:23:23.000 They were both seeing the same thing, said it differently.

00:23:25.000 Trump was the only candidate to be able to capitalize it.

00:23:28.000 You might disagree, Tim.

00:23:30.000 A little bit, a little bit.

00:23:31.000 So, how did I end up at Occupy Wall Street?

00:23:33.000 I was on 4chan, and there was something called Operation Empire State Rebellion, which had nothing to do with left or right.

00:23:39.000 It was hacktivists, and it was, I don't know, just random people on 4chan who were saying, like, hey, you know, we've got an issue with what's going on with the big bailouts.

00:23:47.000 Our lives were being screwed over.

00:23:48.000 The economy's in the gutter.

00:23:50.000 And so that somehow merged with a handful of leftists who were organizing some kind of Occupy Wall Street.

00:23:55.000 When I go down there for the first time, I was there within the first couple of days.

00:23:59.000 There was nobody there.

00:24:00.000 There was a handful of people standing in the rain.

00:24:02.000 But that next weekend, which was the second weekend of Occupy, I saw old people with American flags.

00:24:07.000 An old couple sitting on a couch with an American flag behind their back.

00:24:10.000 They said they were conservatives.

00:24:12.000 We all saw many libertarians.

00:24:13.000 I met Luke down at Occupy Wall Street.

00:24:15.000 The problem is, I think a lot of the people on the right immediately assumed that it was like a leftist liberal or something wrong.

00:24:23.000 And so what happens?

00:24:24.000 That first weekend is big.

00:24:26.000 Second weekend is bigger.

00:24:28.000 But people who have jobs, people who are conservative and libertarian, were like, I've got to leave and I've got to go home.

00:24:33.000 And the only people who were able to stick around were Marxists, trust fund kids, well off.

00:24:39.000 And so the left ended up taking everything over.

00:24:41.000 Well, and so just to add on to this, though, so Trump and Bernie Sanders ran the same type of campaign simultaneously because they were both seeing the symptoms of this sugar-high money cycle of fewer and fewer people getting really rich.

00:24:54.000 Bernie came at it from an outright Marxist view.

00:24:56.000 Trump came at it from a populist nationalist view.

00:24:59.000 And Bernie Sanders should have really been the nominee in 2016, but Hillary Clinton rigged the game. 0.99

00:25:03.000 Trump became the nominee and obviously won in a shocking fashion.

00:25:06.000 What we are now living through 14 years later is the economic catastrophe of Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson.

00:25:14.000 But here's the thing, and this is why James Lindsay's work is so incredible.

00:25:18.000 These corporations think they are immune to criticism and revolution because they have wokeness as a shield.

00:25:25.000 They have an iron dome.

00:25:26.000 They think they are protected from criticism because they can say men can become pregnant. 1.00

00:25:31.000 White people are evil. 0.99

00:25:32.000 Wokeism is the only thing they have left protecting them from hundreds of millions of people realizing that they're robber barons against the civilization. 1.00

00:25:41.000 The first time I encountered the wokeness, whatever, Occupy Wall Street.

00:25:46.000 Initially, you know, I'm down there, and I'm sure Luke has similar experiences.

00:25:50.000 There's a lot of people who are just economic populists.

00:25:52.000 They say, I don't know, the two parties are bad, whatever. 0.98

00:25:55.000 But then all of a sudden, these organizers started gaining more and more traction who believed in the progressive stack and white men are evil. 0.94

00:26:02.000 There's a good comic that embodies this.

00:26:05.000 And it's a rich guy in a big chair with protesters outside saying, we are the 99%.

00:26:09.000 And he's on the phone saying, introduce them to identity politics.

00:26:11.000 All of a sudden, wokeness started taking over.

00:26:14.000 And then from there, I started seeing it get bigger and bigger. 0.82

00:26:17.000 And you know what, for me, I didn't think much of it other than these people are weirdos, despite the fact that I remember one night there was a young black guy who was watching all of this happen. 0.99

00:26:27.000 And I overheard him say, y'all are crazy. 0.98

00:26:29.000 You're segregating people by race. 0.96

00:26:32.000 I don't have anything to do with this.

00:26:33.000 Occupy actually created their organizational structure based around your race.

00:26:37.000 They put all the black people in one group, all the Latinos, all the Asians.

00:26:42.000 I wonder why it fell apart. 1.00

00:26:43.000 No wonder.

00:26:45.000 And then over a period of time, there was the upper class and the lower class divided by two different areas of the park where they were fighting and segregated from County Park.

00:26:52.000 And I truly do believe, I truly do believe that there was a larger hijacking of this movement because when it began, there was people doing weekly, even sometimes in the beginning, daily walks and protests at the Federal Reserve down in New York City, down on Wall Street.

00:27:06.000 They came down there and they were like, hey guys, this is not just about left or right.

00:27:10.000 This is about the big banks, the banks that are screwing us over, the banks that are robbing us of our wealth, robbing us of any potential future.

00:27:16.000 This is the creature from Jekyll Island that came in and is dominating and destroying our society because what else could you say that they did during 2008 other than a blind robbery of the American people?

00:27:26.000 I went up to Ben Bernanke and I asked him, how does it feel organizing one of the largest bailouts in recorded human history for all your banker buddies, giving them trillions of dollars?

00:27:35.000 The SOB tried to grab my microphone and rip it away from me and he didn't say a word.

00:27:39.000 Then I asked him about the Bilderberg group.

00:27:41.000 He didn't want to talk about that either.

00:27:42.000 No surprise there. 0.99

00:27:43.000 But these people are criminals. 0.95

00:27:45.000 These people are essentially, people don't notice this.

00:27:47.000 Inflation is one of the biggest taxes levied on the American people.

00:27:50.000 We are going through essentially what is your wealth being taken away from you every single day by these banksters.

00:27:58.000 And unless you're focusing on the big banks, you're not focusing on the big problems.

00:28:01.000 It's one big picture.

00:28:03.000 I didn't mean to say hurry up.

00:28:04.000 I was saying, no, no, no, no, like it's ESG.

00:28:07.000 I mean, this is connects.

00:28:08.000 Yeah, this is everything.

00:28:10.000 This is what you got to understand.

00:28:10.000 ESG is a tool so they can protect the banks by creating a social credit system for corporations.

00:28:15.000 They all do the same thing.

00:28:16.000 Organized by the top bankers.

00:28:18.000 That's right, that's right.

00:28:18.000 And what they learned, when Charlie brought up wokeness a minute ago and gave me a very kind compliment, what you also don't realize is the reason I do what I do is because of the progressive stack, as it turns out, it's a little bit funny.

00:28:27.000 I'll tell you in a second.

00:28:28.000 Biggest audience I've ever had a chance to tell this story to, I get asked about it all the time.

00:28:32.000 But what they learned in 2008 is that wokeness works.

00:28:35.000 Wokeness gives them a sword and a shield at the same time so that they can wield that and protect themselves.

00:28:40.000 They can go out and break up a movement like Occupy by bringing identity politics and wokeness into it. 0.52

00:28:44.000 And meanwhile, look like the super virtuous people who care about gay people and have a rainbow on their shield.

00:28:49.000 This is what they learned.

00:28:50.000 But it turns out, by the way, you brought the progressive stack.

00:28:52.000 Why am I studying wokeness? 0.99

00:28:53.000 Why did I dedicate my life to studying this crap? 0.98

00:28:55.000 So I'm writing this fake paper back in 2017 about education. 0.98

00:28:59.000 I've told this story a few times.

00:29:00.000 How I got there is another story.

00:29:02.000 And I'm writing this paper, and we say what we need to do is put a progressive stack in all the classrooms.

00:29:07.000 What we got to do is we got to take all the kids and the college students, if they're adults, and if they have, we're going to do the progressive stack walk or the privilege walk.

00:29:14.000 We're going to find out what their privilege is.

00:29:15.000 We're going to chain them to the floor if they have too much privilege. 1.00

00:29:17.000 We're going to make sure that they suffer, that they're abused, that they're put into the learning environment of discomfort to overcome their privilege.

00:29:23.000 And then we said, but we're going to do it compassionately because we're writing funny hoax papers that they didn't think they would accept.

00:29:28.000 And the peer reviewers reviewed this paper.

00:29:30.000 This is how gone academia is.

00:29:31.000 They reviewed this paper and said, we love this idea.

00:29:33.000 But you can't use compassion because that would recenter the needs of the privileged.

00:29:39.000 You have to focus on more discomfort, the pedagogy of discomfort from this woman, Megan Buller, which we hadn't heard of at the time.

00:29:45.000 So we get this book and read it.

00:29:46.000 It's called Feeling Power.

00:29:47.000 It's insane. 0.65

00:29:49.000 And I was like, holy crap, this is where, I mean, this isn't just crazy. 0.98

00:29:53.000 This is a genocide in the making down the road. 0.96

00:29:56.000 If you are saying that you're going to abuse people out of their privilege, score them by their abuse them out of their privilege, and you must use discomfort and no compassion once you've You've been identified as privileged.

00:30:05.000 This is a danger.

00:30:06.000 So I said, maybe I was wrong about that.

00:30:07.000 I'm not claiming that's what it is.

00:30:09.000 Don't get me wrong, but that was my thought.

00:30:10.000 And I thought, I have to study this for the rest of my life and expose this.

00:30:14.000 And what Charlie said is why?

00:30:15.000 Because wokeness is the sword and the shield that they have that allows them to protect.

00:30:19.000 It's the last thing they have that allows them to keep this criminal front going.

00:30:23.000 I want to bring up one point to what Charlie said, because I'm very happy you brought up Occupy Wall Street because Occupy Wall Street, I do believe, scared the establishment.

00:30:31.000 I do believe the movement was hijacked, but that's one thing that changed.

00:30:34.000 Another thing that changed was the way that the corporate media had their conversations.

00:30:38.000 And we saw a very big rise with organizations like the New York Times start implementing a lot of their woke policies right after Occupy Wall Street.

00:30:46.000 Because what better way to divide and conquer a population that, of course, have them infighting against each other so they don't truly see the true source of their problems.

00:30:54.000 And that's exactly what happened. 0.59

00:30:55.000 They want Americans fighting each other. 0.69

00:30:57.000 They want you hating each other.

00:30:58.000 They want you divided.

00:30:59.000 They want you angry.

00:31:00.000 They want you pissed off. 0.99

00:31:01.000 And the best way to not engage is to not play long with their bullcrap. 0.97

00:31:04.000 So the challenge is for us, we're anti-woke.

00:31:07.000 You know, we say, hey, don't divide people based on race or these immutable characteristics.

00:31:11.000 Let's let people be their character, their merit, et cetera.

00:31:15.000 But now the battle is that that's the division, Luke.

00:31:18.000 It's the people who want to divide versus the people who don't want to divide creating this weird division.

00:31:23.000 And they brand themselves as unity.

00:31:24.000 Wouldn't that just be perfect, right?

00:31:27.000 Well, so my question for you, James, I guess, is: if this is their sword and their shield, does it end by just collapsing in front of them?

00:31:34.000 Or does it, what is what does it become?

00:31:36.000 Is there a way that the establishment successfully wields this to their advantage in the end?

00:31:40.000 Well, I think wokeness is actually now turning to their disadvantage.

00:31:44.000 People are seeing it.

00:31:45.000 It has been exposed.

00:31:46.000 People are getting upset. 0.84

00:31:47.000 I told some of my friends and colleagues back in 2019 that if they ever went full into the queer theory, so unleash the drag queens, that they had shot themselves in the head. 0.81

00:31:55.000 And it's only a matter of time until the thing falls over. 0.89

00:31:57.000 People aren't going to put up with that for very long.

00:32:00.000 And it doesn't mean that you have to go do something, you know, something crazy.

00:32:03.000 That's not what I mean by saying that people aren't going to put up with it.

00:32:05.000 They're going to see through that.

00:32:06.000 This is fake.

00:32:07.000 This is fake.

00:32:08.000 So then what happens?

00:32:09.000 We start to have these media wars.

00:32:11.000 They start banning people off.

00:32:12.000 Everything that they're doing is actually just kind of this accumulation of weight that's causing that thing to fall down.

00:32:18.000 So they have the sword and the shield, but it's getting dull.

00:32:21.000 The shield is getting soft.

00:32:23.000 And eventually, we're going to hit a critical mass.

00:32:25.000 And that's how it always works.

00:32:26.000 That's why Steve's always pointing to you and saying that you're the solution, that you're the answer, that you are, what's your word for it, Steve?

00:32:34.000 You always call them the thought Praetorian guard that's wrong.

00:32:38.000 Oh, the force multiplier.

00:32:40.000 The force multiplier.

00:32:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:41.000 No, it's look, their biggest fear right now is that you come to conferences like this, you get smarter, and not just that, it's applied knowledge.

00:32:49.000 The reason they're trying to take out everybody and de-platform everybody and stop it all and take, you know, go after Tucker and go after everybody is because they fear you.

00:32:58.000 That's right.

00:32:58.000 They understand they haven't had a true populist uprising in this country in its history, right?

00:33:04.000 Not a true populist uprising.

00:33:06.000 The only way to defeat it is a populist uprising, and that is you.

00:33:10.000 So, one of the ways I think that it's going to be exploited is economic Marxists on the left, when they start to realize the people they were indoctrinated to hate are actually running the political party that they're affiliated with.

00:33:27.000 When that is exploited, all of a sudden there will be a massive schism on the American left.

00:33:33.000 Wokeism and people that are legitimate Bolsheviks that believe in the economics of Marxism but are not as enthused on the race Marxist stuff, that is going to be a schism because the vast majority of Americans see that it's harder than ever to buy a home, that consumer debt is increasing, that your money is becoming worthless.

00:33:51.000 Those messages are going to resonate like wildfire in the coming months, the coming years, especially as now I think we're going to hit a mass unemployment cycle.

00:33:59.000 What's less and less popular is hearing about privilege walks or hearing about pan-trans awareness day or drag queen story hour?

00:34:07.000 Again, wokeism is a smokescreen grenade.

00:34:10.000 It is trying to confuse you.

00:34:12.000 It's a shock bang grenade to try to say, I don't know what direction things are.

00:34:15.000 As soon as the economics of this will hit everybody's pocket in the coming months, that's why they're so afraid. 0.56

00:34:21.000 They're afraid that the woke ideas are becoming largely unpopular and that the economic reality that's about to set in is going to unite almost everybody on the right, on the left, to point at the Uniparty and say, you've been stealing from us for the last couple decades. 0.54

00:34:36.000 And I'm not okay with that.

00:34:38.000 And disenfranchising us from our own country.

00:34:40.000 Yes.

00:34:41.000 Disenfranchising us from our own country.

00:34:43.000 That's so important to understand that we're being disenfranchised from our own country.

00:34:47.000 But do you think, James, that this economic crisis will overcome the cult mentality that exists among so many of these people on the left?

00:34:54.000 I mean, people don't just shake out occults, man.

00:34:56.000 I mean, this Leon Festinger, right?

00:34:58.000 He infiltrates the UFO cult.

00:34:59.000 The UFO doesn't come.

00:35:00.000 What a big surprise.

00:35:01.000 There's no UFO.

00:35:02.000 And then what do people do?

00:35:03.000 They say, well, it came spiritually and like turned around.

00:35:05.000 I mean, this is, so the people who are fully brainwashed by this, they need help.

00:35:12.000 And I mean it.

00:35:12.000 It's really not going to be good for them.

00:35:14.000 What will happen, though, is that most of the people that are supporting it, most of the people that are putting their black square on their profile or whatever, aren't that committed.

00:35:22.000 They're not actually fully bought into the cult.

00:35:24.000 They're confused.

00:35:25.000 And when things start to shake, they're going to start to see that this isn't what they thought it was.

00:35:30.000 And a lot of them will start to come back to reality.

00:35:32.000 When you break the active measure, when you break the psyop, when you turn off the television, people's brains start to readjust to the reality in front of them.

00:35:41.000 And this starts to happen when reality shocks them back.

00:35:43.000 Most of them, and enough for the key word I said earlier, is a critical mass of people.

00:35:48.000 That's where you're going to get this uprising Steve's talking about.

00:35:51.000 When you have a critical mass of people who say, nope, no more, then it's going to be, everything's going to start to change and it's going to change very quickly.

00:35:58.000 We have to keep pressing to get to that point.

00:36:00.000 We have to keep making it more clear with the see-through the smoke grenade, the flashbang.

00:36:05.000 You have to keep doing this. 1.00

00:36:06.000 But wokeness is an increasing liability for them.

00:36:09.000 And because of people like you, it's going to keep being an increasing liability for them.

00:36:13.000 And they are not going to be able to, they're going to try to get rid of it as hard as they can when it gets to that point.

00:36:17.000 But James, it's not the TV anymore.

00:36:19.000 It's big tech social media.

00:36:21.000 I mean, that was it.

00:36:22.000 And just a few days ago, I'm trying to make a bigger statement here because just a few days ago, we finally got the receipts that it was the intelligence agencies that were pretty much controlling big tech social media.

00:36:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:31.000 I don't think this is something new.

00:36:33.000 I think this was happening for a very long time.

00:36:35.000 And when you're able to shape social media, you're able to shape the minds of the people.

00:36:40.000 And this is why since the onset of Barack Obama, I was like, this is the beginning of a larger divide and conquer agenda.

00:36:45.000 We saw the destruction of Occupy Wall Street.

00:36:48.000 We've seen the rhetoric change on, of course, the mainstream media.

00:36:51.000 But on social media, it was left versus right, black versus white, old versus old, old versus young, male versus female.

00:36:58.000 We saw this weaponized in echo chambers.

00:37:00.000 We saw this weaponized with algorithms.

00:37:02.000 And I do believe that intelligence agencies had a play on this, engineering this larger conflict where we are right now, talking about pronouns and genders rather than, holy crap, there's not going to be enough money to pay for heat or food soon.

00:37:14.000 So that's an issue that I think really needs to be honed in on.

00:37:17.000 The open secret in Silicon Valley is these social media companies are almost impossible to make profitable because of the server costs and the staff costs.

00:37:25.000 So the question that needs to be answered is, did the intelligence agencies enter during the venture round of Facebook?

00:37:31.000 I think so.

00:37:32.000 Especially with QINTEL, especially with a lot of the other organizations that invested a lot of the money there, especially when it came to Alphabet and Google getting all those contracts, getting all those lucrative deals, getting all those tax incentives.

00:37:43.000 Get all that money back.

00:37:44.000 They unfairly were able to go to the top because they were connected with all the intelligence agencies that brought them there.

00:37:49.000 It wasn't an accident.

00:37:50.000 This is the question I had about Twitter that I was mentioning early on with Elon Musk.

00:37:55.000 Did he see government involvement and then say, oh no.

00:37:58.000 But the bigger question then when we start realizing with the Twitter leaks and Twitter files that the FBI actually paid Twitter.

00:38:03.000 Now, granted, it was like 3.8 million or something.

00:38:06.000 What is that like?

00:38:07.000 No, But you got to count the vaccine advertisements.

00:38:10.000 You got to count the Go Army ads.

00:38:12.000 You got to count all the federal government capital because they'll bundle those together.

00:38:15.000 That's hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:38:17.000 But so here's the point I wanted to make.

00:38:19.000 The other day, it was Elon who responded to Ian Miles Chong, who said, in order for Twitter to be profitable, it has to become a platform for creators of video and writing.

00:38:28.000 And Elon said something like, true.

00:38:31.000 And I say, no, that's not true.

00:38:32.000 I'm sorry.

00:38:32.000 I mean, it's somewhat true.

00:38:33.000 You do need to have a good platform that people can use.

00:38:35.000 You can monetize.

00:38:36.000 But right now, we're not only in this convention center, we're on YouTube.

00:38:40.000 YouTube's subsidized.

00:38:41.000 YouTube, the cost of live streaming this show, we could never make enough money off the show to actually pay for.

00:38:48.000 So it's a weird situation where the big tech social media companies are subsidized.

00:38:53.000 And I've always wondered, where does that money come from?

00:38:55.000 There is a theory of, remember when Facebook went public and they had this meteoric crash?

00:39:00.000 I mean, were they trying to make certain investors disappear in a public market of an exchange and it didn't exactly go right.

00:39:08.000 Interesting.

00:39:09.000 So you think like...

00:39:10.000 I'm not thinking, I'm just asking a question.

00:39:12.000 It was the most fumbled IPO in modern history.

00:39:14.000 And you got to wonder, that's also the company that is probably in bed with every intelligence agency.

00:39:19.000 And it was an IPO that didn't just miss by $10.

00:39:22.000 You remember, it was supposed to debut at like $50 a share and created $18.

00:39:26.000 We were like, what happened?

00:39:27.000 I wonder why they have the best banks doing their IPO.

00:39:30.000 Remember, the creation of these companies come out of the top engineering schools in the country, right?

00:39:38.000 The top engineers, the top computer scientists, you know, at Stanford and MIT.

00:39:43.000 And yeah.

00:39:44.000 All of those universities are essentially adjuncts to the national security state.

00:39:52.000 Okay?

00:39:53.000 They're all underwritten.

00:39:54.000 The universities today are virtually underwritten by the U.S. government and federal funds.

00:40:00.000 Almost all of that is tied back to some sort of national security state.

00:40:03.000 So the engineers themselves, the engineering, it's all been underwritten.

00:40:07.000 When these things first start, the venture capital companies that put it in the hedge fund companies, most of these have strong relationships to the federal government in the national security state.

00:40:18.000 This is all one piece of a whole cloth.

00:40:23.000 And then you talk about the contracts and how the revenue goes and all that.

00:40:26.000 It all comes through either the biomedical security state or the national security medical state, which we've kind of seen the convergence of during the CCP COVID-19 virus, right?

00:40:39.000 So these are all adjuncts.

00:40:41.000 And by the way, Facebook is going to be 10 times or 20 times worse than Twitter, okay?

00:40:47.000 Because the platform's bigger.

00:40:49.000 You're going to see more and more involvement.

00:40:50.000 You're going to see more and more involvement in this.

00:40:53.000 They actually say that the people there in Dorsey that this was a government-controlled operation.

00:41:01.000 Twitter is a crime scene, and it is an intelligence op, okay?

00:41:06.000 From day one, from the core of its being at the very engineering schools where it started.

00:41:12.000 That's what I'm saying to the administrative state.

00:41:14.000 To break this, to take this out root and branch is a 10, 20, or 30-year project where you're on it every day, okay?

00:41:23.000 Because it's taken them since essentially World War II, right, to build the national security state.

00:41:30.000 And this is not going to be easy, but it's everywhere, right?

00:41:32.000 And it's particularly in our universities.

00:41:34.000 That's why the universities, the railheads of wokeness right now, right?

00:41:40.000 The great universities of the University of Texas, of you can look at Arizona State right here, right?

00:41:45.000 These are the railheads of wokeness.

00:41:48.000 Why? 1.00

00:41:48.000 Because they're living off government money. 1.00

00:41:50.000 They're adjuncts.

00:41:52.000 They're just outposts.

00:41:53.000 They're the new weapons labs of Sandia and Lawrence Livermore, right?

00:41:58.000 The old nuclear power weapons labs, the new weapons labs are social media weapons created by these universities in conjunction with the national security in the biomedical security state.

00:42:10.000 So we saw that video from Project Veritas a while back.

00:42:13.000 This employee saying, I work, what, four hours a week?

00:42:16.000 He's getting paid six figures.

00:42:18.000 We see Elon Musk come in and he's like, these people are doing nothing and they're getting paid all this money.

00:42:22.000 And I think about that and I think about this old thing that I read where the reason why there's so many people named Smith is because when wars were breaking out, the blacksmiths were spared the war.

00:42:33.000 They wouldn't go fight.

00:42:34.000 And if they were captured, they'd be spared because they can make weapons.

00:42:36.000 The people who made the weapons were extremely valuable and the kings and the rulers would keep them comfortable so they could keep producing powerful tools for them.

00:42:44.000 And then you look at these big tech companies completely overpaid with money.

00:42:47.000 Who knows where it comes from?

00:42:48.000 They barely work.

00:42:49.000 Why?

00:42:49.000 They're making the modern weapons.

00:42:51.000 Well, we should take a quick step back and say, well, why would they do this, right?

00:42:56.000 The weapons.

00:42:57.000 Why are we making social media weapons?

00:42:59.000 Turns out, this thing Charlie was talking about a minute ago, my favorite paper criticizing what's called social emotional learning, which is this whole brainwashing program the left is replacing education with.

00:43:08.000 That's a can of worms we don't have to get into right now.

00:43:10.000 But there's this paper that criticizes it from the left.

00:43:12.000 It's my favorite paper that criticizes SEL is a paper written from an old school critical Marxist.

00:43:19.000 And so what he writes is that the purpose of this kind of narrative control, he calls the paper psycho data.

00:43:26.000 And what you are most valuable, what's most valuable about you to this regime is your data.

00:43:29.000 Why?

00:43:30.000 Because they can control you with it.

00:43:31.000 We don't need a dollar backed by gold or oil.

00:43:34.000 We could have a dollar backed by you giving them something that's very valuable to them, which is the data used to control you.

00:43:39.000 So he says that we're talking about the algorithms, not just TV, right?

00:43:42.000 The algorithms on your social media.

00:43:43.000 They can feed you.

00:43:44.000 They can nudge you with what they call nudge theory.

00:43:46.000 How you're supposed to think, how you're supposed to feel.

00:43:48.000 The goal of this entire operation with social media is to create the environment in which they can do this psychological pushing, nudging of you into different kinds of decision trees that you might not have taken otherwise so they can control you.

00:44:00.000 And this guy, Ben Williamson, he's a leftist, writes this paper saying this social emotional learning program in schools, this is what this is for.

00:44:06.000 It's to gather massive amounts of data.

00:44:09.000 It's to use this data to control people, to make them perfectly predictable economic consumers, perfectly controllable political subjects, and to control everybody basically completely all the time at the level of what he calls a psychocracy, a government through their psychology.

00:44:25.000 So they think they're thinking for themselves, but they're thinking what the algorithm taught them to think.

00:44:30.000 And you therefore don't even have freedom of thought.

00:44:32.000 This is his fear of what this is.

00:44:33.000 This is what this is for.

00:44:35.000 This is the kind of weapon that they want to build.

00:44:37.000 This is a left-wing critique like Charlie was predicting would be coming down the pike.

00:44:41.000 And what he says is that this is horrible and it's awful.

00:44:44.000 And we have to watch out.

00:44:45.000 This is the leftist saying this.

00:44:46.000 And then what does he point to?

00:44:47.000 He said, well, where does this come from?

00:44:48.000 Who's funding it?

00:44:49.000 He's like, well, we go through it.

00:44:50.000 It's very easy.

00:44:51.000 The World Economic Forum is funding it.

00:44:53.000 The United Nations is behind it.

00:44:54.000 The World Bank is at the dead center of all of it.

00:44:57.000 All of the players we're always talking about are the people that are behind this huge push, whether it's through social emotional learning in the schools, whether it's through the algorithms of government by algorithm through the social media.

00:45:06.000 And this is, again, we come back to Elon.

00:45:08.000 All of a sudden, he's going to, he's just this dude.

00:45:10.000 He's a rocket guy.

00:45:11.000 He's going to go.

00:45:12.000 Rocket Man is going to kicks Elon, or he kicks Elton John off of Twitter or whatever.

00:45:16.000 Rocket Man comes in, and he's going to go build new algorithms that are fun, and he has jokes, and he wants memes, and he's going to build these algorithms that are not under their control, and they freak out.

00:45:24.000 But we had a, I think it was Phil Abanti who was on the show, and he made a good point.

00:45:28.000 He said, with Neuralink, there is going to be a chip in your brain that gives you the tiniest dopamine hit that you don't even realize when you're nudged just in the right direction.

00:45:38.000 So you're a regular person living a normal life.

00:45:41.000 They're not going to come out and say, get rid of all your stuff.

00:45:44.000 Oh, nothing.

00:45:45.000 You're just going to sell something for cash and it's going to feel good.

00:45:48.000 And before you realize it, they are pushing everybody with this control, with this chip.

00:45:52.000 Maybe it's a little far-fetched to say just right now, but that's a fear of it.

00:45:55.000 How is that any different than scrolling through Instagram, though?

00:45:58.000 Exactly.

00:45:59.000 You get your hearts on your thing, right?

00:46:00.000 You got a heart.

00:46:01.000 Oh, my God, 300 likes.

00:46:02.000 And it's all dopaminergic manipulation.

00:46:05.000 And van life.

00:46:07.000 Remember that big trend on YouTube, Van Life, where they're promoting all of these young couples who are...

00:46:11.000 That poor girl died doing that. 1.00

00:46:13.000 Gabby something.

00:46:14.000 There was a article that we read about a woman who said, I retired at 36.

00:46:20.000 And then when you read it, you realize, one, she didn't actually retire.

00:46:23.000 She's still working.

00:46:24.000 And two, she lives in a van.

00:46:25.000 Or she's traveling on a nomadic lifestyle.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, when people think of retiring, they think of they had a family, they have a house, they have a front yard, or something at least to that effect.

00:46:35.000 It's about social engineering so people accept their slavery because throughout human history, there always was some kind of despot or psychopath trying to take over the world.

00:46:43.000 And I think the really smart ones realized, hey, it takes a lot of time and effort to kill a lot of people.

00:46:49.000 And I think in our modern society, what better way to take over society than, of course, have people enslave themselves?

00:46:54.000 And I think that's exactly what's happening right now.

00:46:56.000 And I think bullets have been replaced with tweets.

00:46:58.000 Bombs have been replaced with videos.

00:47:00.000 And right now, we are being engineered in fifth generational warfare in order to destroy the free human spirit.

00:47:06.000 And that's the bigger fight that's happening right now that people need to realize more than ever.

00:47:09.000 And this is why I always say violence doesn't work because it's something they know how to control.

00:47:14.000 It's something they know how to manipulate.

00:47:15.000 They know that it instills fear and is a weapon for them.

00:47:18.000 That doesn't mean it's easy to combat.

00:47:20.000 It just means you need to understand the weapons they're using and it's psychological manipulation.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, you make better technology.

00:47:25.000 Basically, social media is not a weapon on its face.

00:47:28.000 It's a powerful force that can be weaponized.

00:47:30.000 And it has been, unfortunately, by, it looks like Alphabet, Meta, Twitter, these things.

00:47:35.000 But minds, for instance, we would sit around and have ethics conversations with how addictive should we make this technology?

00:47:40.000 It's 88% too much for me.

00:47:42.000 I don't want people constantly on it.

00:47:44.000 I want them to use it for the function that it's deserved.

00:47:47.000 And you could have made it 100%.

00:47:51.000 You could.

00:47:51.000 You can make it like an addictive.

00:47:52.000 You make it 101, something that someone's never even seen.

00:47:55.000 It's more powerful than what you thought could be the most addictive substance on earth.

00:47:58.000 It's not ethical.

00:47:58.000 We don't take information at mines.

00:48:00.000 We don't want your data because it can be scraped.

00:48:03.000 The key, I think, is open source code so you know what the code is telling people and you want access to your data and you want to limit.

00:48:12.000 You want to opt in when you want to opt in.

00:48:13.000 You don't want them to harvest your metrics.

00:48:15.000 You're basically saying power to the people.

00:48:16.000 And I think people should own their own data and make money off of it.

00:48:21.000 Let me contribute some optimism, though, because the Neuralink thing is real, the manipulation of people, and people are looking for hope.

00:48:29.000 And one piece.

00:48:30.000 You could just scream graphene, by the way.

00:48:33.000 Maybe the next hour.

00:48:35.000 That's Ian's thing.

00:48:35.000 Ian Sting is graphene.

00:48:37.000 Sorry, I apologize.

00:48:37.000 Want to talk about graphene?

00:48:39.000 Let's keep going, Charlie.

00:48:41.000 No.

00:48:42.000 I was just going to say it's amazing news that 50 million people didn't take the mRNA gene altering shot.

00:48:47.000 I mean, that goes to show there is a lot more love of freedom out there and liberty despite the force, the incentives, the subsidies, the propaganda, the nudging, the Hollywood celebrities, the non-stop propaganda campaign.

00:49:00.000 It was nothing but difficult to not take that shot.

00:49:04.000 I mean, you had to go out of your way.

00:49:06.000 You had to make an intentional decision.

00:49:07.000 And still, 50 million people made a decision that this was not for me.

00:49:12.000 Raise your hand if you didn't take the shot.

00:49:14.000 Look at that.

00:49:15.000 Look at the room.

00:49:16.000 Look at the room right now.

00:49:17.000 I don't even like calling it the shot.

00:49:19.000 God bless you guys.

00:49:20.000 God bless you.

00:49:20.000 Did you guys?

00:49:21.000 No, no, no.

00:49:22.000 This is your blood.

00:49:23.000 This is the beginning of things.

00:49:25.000 Look at this.

00:49:25.000 That's a big deal.

00:49:26.000 This is a beginning of taking your country back.

00:49:29.000 Do you understand the pressure that was put on there?

00:49:32.000 I'm telling you.

00:49:33.000 You're heroes.

00:49:34.000 This is freedom right here.

00:49:35.000 This is 1775.

00:49:37.000 You're Sam Adams.

00:49:38.000 You're John Hancock.

00:49:40.000 Did you guys see the article?

00:49:41.000 But no one here took the shot, right?

00:49:43.000 No, not good.

00:49:44.000 Don't call it the shot.

00:49:45.000 That's their language.

00:49:46.000 Did you guys see the article that said people who are unvaccinated are more likely to get into car accidents?

00:49:51.000 Yes, sir.

00:49:52.000 Yes.

00:49:53.000 I feel like that's got to be optimism, right?

00:49:56.000 Like the narrative really is broken where that's the best thing they have to do.

00:49:58.000 I was going to make a really bad joke, but I decided not to do it.

00:50:02.000 No, do it.

00:50:03.000 We love the cringe.

00:50:04.000 We love the cringe.

00:50:05.000 No.

00:50:06.000 But here's.

00:50:06.000 No, I'm not going to do that.

00:50:08.000 Here's the most powerful.

00:50:08.000 Here's the most powerful thing of it.

00:50:10.000 Look at Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Robert Malone and McCullough and Naomi Wolf.

00:50:16.000 These are all people of the left.

00:50:17.000 These are some of the most progressive.

00:50:19.000 Naomi Wolf was one of the most progressive feminists at Yale when she was there. 0.99

00:50:24.000 She blocked me on Twitter.

00:50:26.000 Exactly.

00:50:27.000 Recently or after? 0.54

00:50:28.000 Way back in the day from being feminist fights. 0.95

00:50:30.000 And we've had her on the show.

00:50:31.000 This is my point.

00:50:32.000 This is a coming together.

00:50:34.000 This is beyond politics.

00:50:36.000 This is the new politics, right?

00:50:38.000 That you guys stood up.

00:50:39.000 You men and women, particularly young men and women, stood up and refused to have that with all the pressure, all the society pressure, all the corporate pressure.

00:50:48.000 They brought everything to bear.

00:50:49.000 College.

00:50:51.000 They were kicking kids out of college for not taking it.

00:50:53.000 But let me ask you about this then.

00:50:54.000 I feel like it's only possible because of the internet, right?

00:50:56.000 Because social media allows us to have these conversations, to do shows like this.

00:51:01.000 If these are really tools that are crafted from the get-go by the machine, by the intelligence agencies, are they being used by users?

00:51:08.000 You know what?

00:51:08.000 Those are methodology.

00:51:09.000 You know why we're able to do it?

00:51:12.000 Because in this crowd is handed down the meaning of liberty.

00:51:18.000 That's what it is.

00:51:19.000 There's a colonel in this country that is not prepared.

00:51:22.000 A colonel in this country is not prepared to be defeated.

00:51:25.000 And you're seeing it.

00:51:26.000 That's why it's a pivot point for us.

00:51:27.000 That's why we're ascended.

00:51:29.000 That's why we're on the move.

00:51:30.000 And yes.

00:51:31.000 And no matter how they de-platformed it, people got to that information, right?

00:51:35.000 The anarchists, the revolutionaries, everybody got the information.

00:51:39.000 And we came together and said, you, right?

00:51:44.000 That's exactly right.

00:51:49.000 Is that the essence of liberty?

00:51:51.000 Yes.

00:51:52.000 That's the essence of.

00:51:53.000 Hell yeah.

00:51:55.000 What do you think?

00:51:56.000 What did John?

00:51:58.000 What did Sam Adams tell the British Empire?

00:52:01.000 F ⁇ you, right?

00:52:03.000 What did John Hancock say?

00:52:06.000 F ⁇ you! 1.00

00:52:07.000 USA! 1.00

00:52:10.000 USA!

00:52:12.000 End the Fed! 0.95

00:52:13.000 End the Fed! 0.95

00:52:14.000 End the Fed.

00:52:16.000 Can I tell you something?

00:52:17.000 The underlying, and by the way, of every ethnicity in the melting pot we are, it is a common thing.

00:52:25.000 We believe in liberty and freedom.

00:52:26.000 And at the end of the day, there's a portion of people that will sit there in the cussedness and grit of the American experience and say, no, we're not going to do that.

00:52:35.000 We're going to do this.

00:52:36.000 Okay.

00:52:37.000 And this is the beginning of the counter revolution.

00:52:40.000 This is why I'm wondering, Steve, and all you guys, I wonder what you think about this.

00:52:43.000 Can we ethically default on the debt to the Federal Reserve?

00:52:47.000 Just say we're not paying you back.

00:52:48.000 100%.

00:52:50.000 Would that destroy our standing across the world?

00:52:52.000 It most certainly would not.

00:52:53.000 We have to force a sovereign.

00:52:55.000 By the way, if you're not going to force a sovereign debt crisis, you guys are going to be more serfs.

00:53:00.000 You've got to be able to stop it.

00:53:01.000 The debt ceiling next year.

00:53:02.000 2023 are going to be massive fights on the biomedical security state, on the economy, on debt, on are you prepared?

00:53:13.000 Remember, it's not that they have to have you accept slavery.

00:53:17.000 They have to have you continue to vote and want slavery, right? 1.00

00:53:21.000 That's what 2023 is going to be about.

00:53:23.000 We've beaten them and the one thing they wanted to do was the biomedical security state.

00:53:27.000 And yes, if we didn't have the internet and most people curious, the curiosity of people to get to hard things like finding your show, finding a turning point USA, when we were broomed from everywhere, finding you when you're off Twitter, people found that information and they acted upon that information.

00:53:46.000 That's the beginning of a revolution.

00:53:48.000 That's the beginning.

00:53:49.000 That's 1773, baby.

00:53:52.000 I want to reiterate this, though.

00:53:58.000 Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Twitter, CDC, Fauci, you have to understand how demoralized they are that they could not get to 95 or 99% submission.

00:54:11.000 Let's invert all of this, right?

00:54:13.000 People say, Charlie, show me some good news.

00:54:15.000 Show me some good news.

00:54:16.000 They spent hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:54:19.000 They forced every major institution.

00:54:21.000 They took over the military.

00:54:22.000 They took over the colleges.

00:54:24.000 They took over every Fortune 100 business.

00:54:26.000 They stigmatized you.

00:54:27.000 They smeared you.

00:54:28.000 They slandered you. 0.97

00:54:30.000 They propagandized you.

00:54:31.000 They ran commercials during football games.

00:54:33.000 They did NFL athletes, NBA athletes.

00:54:35.000 And still, they had to go to their room and they said, 50 million people are not going to listen to us even if we force them, kick them out of jail, or pay them.

00:54:44.000 In some cities, pay you to do it.

00:54:46.000 Do you remember when, was it de Blasio eating the french fries and the cheeseburger?

00:54:51.000 And he was like, this sure is good.

00:54:53.000 You just got to go.

00:54:54.000 I remember I saw a prominent celebrity saying that he went down to a local parking lot, pulled in his car, and got a shot in the arm.

00:55:02.000 And I was surprised.

00:55:03.000 I said, he tweeted something like, go get the vaccine.

00:55:05.000 And I said, no, no, go talk to your doctor.

00:55:07.000 Go talk to your doctor from someone you trust medically who's going to give you sign advice.

00:55:11.000 And the response I got from these people was, don't.

00:55:13.000 And so this is the big thing with YouTube, right?

00:55:15.000 They tell you you can't give advice, your podcast.

00:55:18.000 And I'm like, I'm totally cool with that.

00:55:20.000 If you've got a doctor who doesn't know anything about your health, don't, that's a bad doctor.

00:55:23.000 Go find a good one.

00:55:24.000 I found a good one.

00:55:25.000 Joe Rogan did.

00:55:26.000 But I'm seeing these leftists pull into parking lots at 7-Eleven, have a guy reach in their car, and they were bragging about it.

00:55:32.000 They told me I was wrong when I said, no, no, just talk to a doctor.

00:55:35.000 Don't go to a parking lot at a 7-Eleven.

00:55:37.000 And this guy actually said, I just stuck my arm out the window and he injected me.

00:55:41.000 And I said, shouldn't you have a doctor tell you this stuff?

00:55:45.000 But it's the craziest thing to me that like the whole thing about Joe Rogan is that Joe Rogan's saying, go find a doctor who's going to prescribe this.

00:55:51.000 And they say Joe Rogan's giving medical misinformation.

00:55:54.000 Dude, you know what, man?

00:55:55.000 If you want to go into a parking lot, you live your life, you do your thing, but my recommendation is a doctor who knows about this.

00:56:01.000 Let me just prove one more thing.

00:56:02.000 I do this in a lot of events, and the biomedical pharma state will never, ever show it.

00:56:06.000 Raise your hand if you know someone who died or had a significant side effect because of the vaccine.

00:56:10.000 Raise your hand.

00:56:11.000 Right there, that's an open-air crime scene.

00:56:14.000 Forget, I mean, they say, oh, it's small, it's this.

00:56:17.000 You're talking about millions and millions and millions of people, and yet you weren't even allowed to mention on major social media.

00:56:23.000 Well, I believe, you know, the shot was either an IQ test or a compliance test, or both, to be honest with you.

00:56:29.000 And we have to shout out individuals like Kyrie Irving, Aaron Rodgers, and stood up and said enough is enough. 0.95

00:56:36.000 No, my body, my freaking choice. 0.98

00:56:39.000 You were singing that all along for years, but now you're going to kick that in the bucket. 0.98

00:56:43.000 That made absolutely no sense at all.

00:56:45.000 And truly, they tried to take away their banks.

00:56:47.000 They tried to take away their livelihoods.

00:56:48.000 They tried to take away their salaries.

00:56:50.000 They tried to take everything away from these individuals, and they still stood up and made the right decisions, not just for themselves, but for everyone else who knew that they were not alone in this bigger fight of consent that the government wanted you to bend the knee down for.

00:57:03.000 Allow me to be a bit of a milquetoast fenceitter here and say, my concern is not whether or not necessarily, well, let me phrase it this way.

00:57:13.000 I don't want to conflate government overreach with advice from a doctor necessarily.

00:57:18.000 Certainly there are circumstances where we can look at the corporate press and they're all brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer, and we have to ask questions about whether or not we're getting real, real advice or if the media is just saying we don't want to piss off our advertisers.

00:57:30.000 But I think there's a distinction to be made between what really bothers me is when you're forced to do something with ridiculous mandates, unconstitutional mandates, when they threaten to shut down your churches, when they threaten to take away your food, or when they try and entice you with krispy creams.

00:57:44.000 I just want to make that distinction, I guess.

00:57:46.000 I just all agree in the sense of if the vaccine was so great and their ideas were so great, then why did it have to be mandatory?

00:57:52.000 It would have just been this amazing thing that everyone would be talking about.

00:57:55.000 You know, that sounds like anarchist talk there.

00:57:57.000 That sounds like a lot like voluntarianism.

00:57:59.000 Just a heads up there, Carla.

00:58:00.000 Oh, no.

00:58:02.000 Our medical history should be.

00:58:03.000 We're agreeing way too much.

00:58:04.000 I don't want to bruise.

00:58:05.000 This is weird.

00:58:07.000 It's great.

00:58:08.000 I also want to just say this too, because I know maybe with this crowd, people will disagree to an extent.

00:58:14.000 I think the reason so many people probably raise their hand to seeing adverse effects is because of the mandates.

00:58:19.000 When you mandate everybody get four shots, the likelihood of adverse effects is going to go up.

00:58:23.000 It's going to skyrocket.

00:58:24.000 Yeah, the reason that they're working on 3D printing medicine is because they can tailor it to your own body.

00:58:28.000 And in the future, we will be having medicine specifically for your own genetics.

00:58:31.000 And to put a top-down medicine on a bunch of people, I think, is complete.

00:58:35.000 It's dangerous.

00:58:36.000 And maybe you could argue it's insanity at this point.

00:58:38.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:58:39.000 No, no, you know, I want to ask you guys a moral and ethical question because I've been kind of harping on this for a little bit.

00:58:44.000 And I guess I'll ask everybody in the audience too, because I'm curious your thoughts.

00:58:47.000 If there was a kid who had, let's say, bacterial meningitis and the doctor prescribed antibiotic, and the parents both came and said, we don't believe in this, you know, this weird science mumbo jumbo, so we're not going to give this to our kid.

00:59:01.000 Should the government intervene and say we're giving the antibiotic to the kid to save its life?

00:59:06.000 So, you know, the question is.

00:59:06.000 No.

00:59:08.000 I would have said yes.

00:59:09.000 But I would say that I would say no because in the simple sense of that question is, do you believe the government should mandate medication for you?

00:59:16.000 And the answer for me to that is always hell no, because the government will use and abuse that power in order to hurt people, in order to screw them over, in order to make them the guinea pigs of this larger medical mRNA experiment.

00:59:27.000 And if the government was able to give that child that medication, they could give them a shot.

00:59:30.000 They could give them whatever the hell else they want.

00:59:32.000 And that's kind of my point.

00:59:34.000 My point is the moral lines that we draw as a society, as a culture, in that when you look at something like it's a new medication, it's only been out for a couple years, if that, and the government tries forcing it on people, everybody says no.

00:59:47.000 But when you look at something as simple as an antibiotic for a bacterial infection, a lot of people are going to say yes.

00:59:52.000 I know a lot of people here said no, and that's fine.

00:59:54.000 It's never that simple with government.

00:59:56.000 Because again, the gene pool will figure itself out.

00:59:58.000 Like, people want to make some mistakes, they'll make some mistakes.

01:00:00.000 But when you give the government that power and authority to inject something into your body, they will take that and they will abuse it to the fullest extent.

01:00:07.000 And they have done it before.

01:00:09.000 They did it with the Testigi experiments.

01:00:11.000 They did it with the CIA, dosing people with acid. 0.91

01:00:14.000 They did it in so many different ways when it came to poisoning people, screwing them over, all in the name of science, doing what's best for everyone else, led to genocides and atrocities that the human mind can't even fathom right now.

01:00:26.000 What are your thoughts, James?

01:00:27.000 Do you agree or disagree?

01:00:28.000 I mean, I'm genuinely going to say that this is a complicated issue, but it goes back to the point I made earlier about the mid-level violence.

01:00:34.000 The shot was a mid-level provocation.

01:00:36.000 It makes some sense to go get this vaccine thing.

01:00:39.000 But at the other hand, of course, no, it doesn't.

01:00:41.000 And so it's not this obvious case.

01:00:43.000 Like we're talking about, should we be allowed to, you know, because somebody has a bacterial infection, do we take an antibiotic or whatever?

01:00:48.000 Could we have an expert panel of doctors or whatever?

01:00:50.000 Oh, no desk panels.

01:00:51.000 Could we have an expert panel of doctors and say, wait a minute, this was a completely reasonable thing, and therefore the state can mandate.

01:00:56.000 These are questions that healthy, normal societies that don't have parasitical, evil-intented regimes running the thing, which is what he's warning us about.

01:01:03.000 It will almost always become the case if we're not very, very, and one last point, really quick.

01:01:09.000 Look what Big Pharma did within the last few years.

01:01:12.000 Look at the opioid epidemic.

01:01:13.000 Look at the destruction of the American middle class that was done through doctors.

01:01:16.000 That was done by the medical establishment that was paid off by these sociopaths at Big Pharma that said, you know what?

01:01:22.000 We're going to bunk the science. 0.59

01:01:23.000 We're going to get you on heroin. 0.98

01:01:24.000 We're going to get you baby heroin. 1.00

01:01:27.000 These are evil sociopathic son of a bitches that don't give a damn about you, never gave a damn about you, and we should never concede and give them anything ever. 1.00

01:01:35.000 And some seems to be the thing. 1.00

01:01:37.000 That's the thing.

01:01:38.000 You can only have that in a high trust society.

01:01:41.000 You can only have the thing that you're arguing for, Tim, in a high-trust society.

01:01:44.000 We didn't break the detente on the trust.

01:01:47.000 They did.

01:01:48.000 They violated us.

01:01:49.000 We have no reason to trust them now.

01:01:52.000 We're here from Luke.

01:01:52.000 Everybody's jeering.

01:01:53.000 Of course they are because we've lost trust in our society.

01:01:56.000 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is on them.

01:01:59.000 Also, I think it's inherent in the nature.

01:02:01.000 We're not supposed to trust each other.

01:02:02.000 We shouldn't have to.

01:02:03.000 The system should be true.

01:02:04.000 We really shouldn't trust a bureaucracy either.

01:02:06.000 That's extremely important in this case.

01:02:08.000 Because just like Luke's saying, they're going to pay off doctors.

01:02:10.000 This has become the biggest.

01:02:12.000 We talk about Twitter being a crime scene.

01:02:14.000 We're looking at the biggest crime scene in the entire world, maybe in the history of the world.

01:02:18.000 Tim, just to answer your question, we have to have to be realistic of what we're living in.

01:02:21.000 So that would be the parents, I think, would make the wrong decision there.

01:02:24.000 However, let's be honest about what's going to happen way more often.

01:02:28.000 Parents don't want to give their 11-year-old Lupron, even though the doctor says that the boy thinks he's a girl.

01:02:34.000 That's really what's going on.

01:02:36.000 So hell no, the government should not be able to step in and overrun parents' rights. 0.97

01:02:41.000 Damn right. 0.97

01:02:41.000 This is exactly my point. 0.97

01:02:42.000 I want to make one little point here.

01:02:43.000 Hold on.

01:02:44.000 This is exactly my point, right?

01:02:47.000 We saw Matt Walsh on Rogan's show, and he was asked how many kids do you think are getting this?

01:02:52.000 And I think he said millions, and then it turns out it was in the thousands.

01:02:55.000 And we are seeing an increase in this dramatically, but the more common occurrence is antibiotics and not Lupron.

01:03:01.000 But this is my point exactly.

01:03:03.000 Well, no, it's the same law.

01:03:04.000 Do you think thousands of parents are withholding antibiotics for their kids?

01:03:08.000 I would argue that antibiotics are prescribed for their kids more than Lupron is, is what I'm saying.

01:03:12.000 But I don't think there's a mass push of parents that are saying, hey, your eight-year-old might die.

01:03:12.000 Oh, no, no, for sure.

01:03:18.000 And I have a deep-seated conviction that somehow a moxticillin is against my view.

01:03:24.000 I'm not doing the math on this guy.

01:03:25.000 No, not crunching the number.

01:03:26.000 No, no, you're not.

01:03:27.000 My argument is that the same law, some people will say, oh, right, antibiotics.

01:03:31.000 That's a normal thing.

01:03:32.000 Oh, Lupron, that's a bad thing.

01:03:33.000 But it's the exact same law.

01:03:34.000 And so the issue is it's culture, not law.

01:03:37.000 The law can say a lot of things, but if you have a group of people who don't believe in morals and ethics, none of it matters.

01:03:42.000 The police aren't going to these drag queens, these drag, these simulated sodomy shows like they're doing now in San Antonio, and they're not stopping it because there's no cohesive culture.

01:03:52.000 That's a problem.

01:03:53.000 The cops should have, there should be no question.

01:03:54.000 They should say, we don't do that, but it's just not happening.

01:03:56.000 So I just want to point out, you guys are agreeing with the anarchist.

01:04:00.000 No, look at me.

01:04:00.000 I'm a liberal.

01:04:03.000 Not you two.

01:04:03.000 Or saying these guys right here.

01:04:05.000 I want to make one point.

01:04:05.000 I can say it differently.

01:04:06.000 You're agreeing with the conservative.

01:04:07.000 No, no, no.

01:04:08.000 But no, no, no.

01:04:08.000 I just want to.

01:04:09.000 You're all going to make a bigger point.

01:04:11.000 You all agree with James Lindsay. 0.97

01:04:12.000 What the hell?

01:04:13.000 I just want to make one point, one point specifically. 0.99

01:04:15.000 Of course you do.

01:04:15.000 Now, take this one example and you implement it everywhere.

01:04:19.000 That's anarchy.

01:04:19.000 And that's what we need more of in my opinion.

01:04:21.000 Well, what about if there's a disease that's like a bad idea?

01:04:25.000 No, wait, wait, wait.

01:04:25.000 I think it's a great idea.

01:04:26.000 No, for example, we need a border and a big wall, okay?

01:04:29.000 That is a function of government that we need.

01:04:31.000 And welfare?

01:04:32.000 Do you need welfare?

01:04:33.000 Very little, minimum.

01:04:34.000 Have Harmee come in?

01:04:36.000 So we were planning on having Harmeet Dylan come in when you were.

01:04:40.000 I've got to go do another media interview.

01:04:42.000 Steve Bannon, ladies and gentlemen, anything else?

01:04:44.000 Steve Bannon, everybody.

01:04:44.000 Give it up.

01:04:45.000 Steve, anything you want to say, Steve, before you go?

01:04:50.000 Give it one more.

01:04:51.000 Give it one more, if you.

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 Bring it, Steve.

01:04:56.000 You are not just the future, you're the present.

01:04:59.000 If this country's to be saved, it's because of you.

01:05:03.000 What is your task and your purpose?

01:05:05.000 If it's to wake up every day and to save the greatest nation, the most powerful nation on earth, this nation will be saved.

01:05:12.000 That I guarantee you.

01:05:13.000 But if you don't and you falter, they're going to win.

01:05:19.000 Okay?

01:05:20.000 Just remember everything you just went through in this vaccine, and I'm telling you, it's a fantastic win.

01:05:26.000 Look at everything.

01:05:26.000 Pooh, all these people that fought through Twitter crushing them, YouTube crushing them, Facebook crushing them.

01:05:33.000 And this is the American cussedness to say, guess what? 0.55

01:05:37.000 Go yourself.

01:05:38.000 We're going to win.

01:05:40.000 Steve Bannon.

01:05:42.000 Thank you, Steve.

01:05:53.000 It is an honor and a privilege.

01:05:55.000 Thank you, Steve.

01:05:57.000 I feel blessed and lucky for everybody who's here.

01:05:59.000 And we are going to have, I think.

01:06:02.000 We have Harmeet Dylan coming out, right?

01:06:03.000 Yes.

01:06:03.000 Which I can make an announcement while she comes out.

01:06:05.000 Everybody, you guys have an email as an attendee of America Fest that is a poll of who you think should run the RNC.

01:06:11.000 Maybe Mike Lindell, maybe Harmeet Dylan.

01:06:14.000 Open up that email and vote.

01:06:16.000 Don't yell it out.

01:06:17.000 Just vote.

01:06:18.000 Brought to you by Turning Point Action.

01:06:20.000 Uh-oh, we got somebody coming up.

01:06:22.000 Oh, hell, what is this?

01:06:23.000 Who is this?

01:06:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:06:24.000 Let's go, baby.

01:06:25.000 Let's go.

01:06:26.000 I'm here to sniff.

01:06:28.000 Harmeet Dylan.

01:06:29.000 I can already tell who it is.

01:06:31.000 I think it's clear.

01:06:34.000 Even in the Portnoise.

01:06:35.000 You got 10 seconds.

01:06:36.000 I'm here to sniff Charlie Claire.

01:06:38.000 Look at that.

01:06:39.000 I'm here to sniff Charlie Clare.

01:06:43.000 He didn't have to break.

01:06:44.000 I'm here to pass my silence.

01:06:48.000 It's Alex.

01:06:49.000 Alex Dynamite from 1999.

01:06:52.000 Alex.

01:06:55.000 He ranked the mic.

01:06:56.000 Alex, wait.

01:06:59.000 I had two mics.

01:07:00.000 I could see him coming.

01:07:02.000 And I knew it was him. 0.90

01:07:03.000 One James, two mics.

01:07:05.000 Now I know how Dave Portnoy feels.

01:07:07.000 Vote in the straw pole, everybody.

01:07:08.000 You got an email.

01:07:09.000 I don't think Dave was actually there, though.

01:07:11.000 Oh, no.

01:07:11.000 Is the microphone?

01:07:12.000 Is he breaking the mic?

01:07:13.000 I think the mic works.

01:07:14.000 I think it's okay.

01:07:16.000 He just wanted to say hello.

01:07:17.000 I caught it.

01:07:18.000 I caught it.

01:07:18.000 He just wanted, what did he even say?

01:07:20.000 He wanted to sniff Charlie Kirk.

01:07:24.000 You know, while we're waiting for Harmeet, maybe we can do a little spiritual deep dive here really quick.

01:07:28.000 Charlie, you mentioned something earlier about separating God and man.

01:07:32.000 Yes.

01:07:32.000 And the Jewish, the Old Testament says the second commandment is no false idols.

01:07:37.000 You don't worship a human. 0.96

01:07:39.000 And then Jesus comes along and he's a Jew, and he agrees with that because he's a Jew. 0.99

01:07:42.000 And then the Catholic, all of a sudden, like 70 years after his death, 35 years after his death, they tell people to start worshiping him. 0.98

01:07:48.000 No, that's not totally true.

01:07:49.000 So we believe that as Harmeet Dylan and Harmee, by the way.

01:07:56.000 So this works out.

01:07:57.000 Sorry to interrupt you guys.

01:07:59.000 I really want to answer that question, though, because that's important.

01:08:01.000 So we were thinking about, you know, Steve had, I think it's another conflict.

01:08:08.000 But I think it's an opportunity to talk about solutions because we talk a lot about problems.

01:08:12.000 We talk a lot about hope, but I know that Harmeet is a potential solution.

01:08:18.000 You got to grab the mic.

01:08:19.000 I think Alex still works.

01:08:22.000 It does.

01:08:23.000 I think it does.

01:08:24.000 Sounds great.

01:08:25.000 Hi.

01:08:26.000 I will answer that question, Ian.

01:08:27.000 We will talk later.

01:08:28.000 Okay.

01:08:29.000 Because Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

01:08:30.000 Harmeet, what's happening?

01:08:36.000 Well, it's been a pretty busy two-week campaign for chair of the Republican National Committee, and so it's been pretty non-stop.

01:08:43.000 We were just talking about Jesus Christ and spirituality right as you were walking out.

01:08:47.000 So there's a lot of things happening.

01:08:50.000 There's a lot of energy.

01:08:51.000 Ian's had this transformation.

01:08:52.000 I was telling people, like, we're all of a sudden he's talking about the importance of God.

01:08:55.000 Do you believe in God?

01:08:56.000 Absolutely.

01:08:57.000 What do you think it is?

01:08:59.000 Well, God is the creator.

01:09:01.000 God is over all of us.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 We can't see Harmeet's face.

01:09:05.000 Lower that down.

01:09:06.000 Oh, and then do this.

01:09:07.000 Yes.

01:09:08.000 It's been there.

01:09:09.000 God gives us guidance.

01:09:10.000 God gives us life.

01:09:13.000 And God gives us everything that's worth fighting for in this country and this world.

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:20.000 Let's look.

01:09:20.000 And just in the Christian view, just to answer your question, so Jesus claimed he was God.

01:09:26.000 There is a misconception that Jesus never did that.

01:09:28.000 He repeated the phrase, I am, especially in the book of John.

01:09:31.000 The first verse in the book of John is: in the beginning was the word, the word became, the word was God, and the word became flesh.

01:09:38.000 This idea of the logos, right?

01:09:39.000 Which is rational speech, which is God made in the image of God.

01:09:43.000 And Jesus coming down in human form was he took the broken form that we became after original sin, because he loved us so much to minister alongside of us, to show miracles, to then eventually die a death he did not deserve, to defeat death, so then he could be raised from the dead and we can have eternal life.

01:10:02.000 Now, the point is this: when we worship Jesus, we're not worshiping man.

01:10:06.000 We're worshiping God that temporarily became man, lived a perfect life, and then gives us eternal life through what he did for us, something we did not earn nor that we deserve.

01:10:17.000 I'm concerned that a centralized authority wrote the storybook that tells us that he said he was God, because I never met him.

01:10:24.000 I don't know.

01:10:24.000 No, that's fair, but it's not a centralized authority because we have four different accounts, right, from four different people, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, right?

01:10:32.000 And so what's interesting is they actually reinforce one another and never contradict each other.

01:10:37.000 The most interesting is actually Luke, because Luke continues his gospel in the book of Acts.

01:10:41.000 And so Luke is writing it to his benefactor, Theophilus, lover of God, who paid for him to actually go throughout the Middle East and saw it himself.

01:10:48.000 Luke was a doctor.

01:10:49.000 Luke was a non-committed person, right?

01:10:51.000 He was like, there's something magical happening here in the Middle East.

01:10:54.000 And so you're right.

01:10:55.000 You've never met Jesus, but my belief is you can, because he is the living God, right?

01:10:59.000 So that you can invite him in your life, and in a moment, you can have a spiritual transformation.

01:11:05.000 Don't mean to hijack it too much, Tim, but that's my metaphysical view.

01:11:08.000 And Jesus will change your life, and you can be transformed in an instant.

01:11:13.000 Let's talk about solutions.

01:11:15.000 Sorry.

01:11:16.000 Let's talk about solutions because Marit is running for RNC chair. 1.00

01:11:20.000 That's right.

01:11:21.000 So what's going on?

01:11:22.000 What's the plan?

01:11:23.000 Well, I don't think there is a plan unless we have a change in leadership at the RNC, and that's the problem.

01:11:28.000 Because for the last six years, we have lost successively.

01:11:31.000 We've lost the House.

01:11:32.000 We've lost the Senate.

01:11:34.000 We've lost the White House.

01:11:35.000 And we're losing our country.

01:11:37.000 And the reason that I'm a Republican volunteer and activist, and I'm sure many of you are in this room as well, is because I love this country.

01:11:43.000 I came here as an immigrant when I was two years old.

01:11:45.000 My parents registered as Republicans when they were naturalized.

01:11:50.000 And, you know, my whole life I fought for these values.

01:11:52.000 But I'm afraid that we have a lot of Republicans in positions of power today, including elected officials, including certainly some of my fellow Republican activists, who are in it for the wrong reasons, who are in it for ego, who are in it for self-gratification, who are happy to be the controlled, failed opposition.

01:12:11.000 And America cannot afford that.

01:12:13.000 And so that's the reason why I'm running, because I think I can do a better job.

01:12:17.000 And I think that we need vision.

01:12:19.000 We need a plan.

01:12:20.000 We need a plan to deal with these crooked election laws.

01:12:24.000 We have to adapt to overcome them.

01:12:27.000 And we need to get rid of the corrupt consultant class that is controlling the failure in our party. 0.98

01:12:33.000 I pledge to do that at the RNC.

01:12:35.000 Juan, can I ask you just really quick, what would you be doing different right now?

01:12:40.000 Your head right now.

01:12:41.000 What's the first thing you do?

01:12:43.000 Well, I'd probably hire some great young grassroots activists to handle the voter registration. 0.93

01:12:49.000 Ballot harvesting, yes, and ballot curing in states where it's illegal.

01:12:53.000 Scott Kressler is one of the guys who comes to mind for sure.

01:12:56.000 Absolutely.

01:12:58.000 The second thing I would do besides personnel, I would do something like an Elon Musk style, come in and say, look, are you hardcore about electing Republicans?

01:13:08.000 Yes.

01:13:09.000 Are you hardcore about liberty?

01:13:11.000 Are you hardcore about winning?

01:13:13.000 And if you're not, here's your two week severance check and don't let the door hit you, okay?

01:13:20.000 I would immediately initiate a top-to-bottom audit of all consulting and vendor contracts at the RNC.

01:13:27.000 Because from what I've seen, there is a tremendous amount of back scratching, fat, waste, self-dealing, and generally stuff that doesn't get Republicans elected.

01:13:39.000 So, with those two things, that's off to a good start.

01:13:42.000 But then there's policy.

01:13:43.000 There's other things you have to do.

01:13:45.000 Fundraising is important.

01:13:47.000 We fundraise by abusing our donors.

01:13:49.000 We call them names. 0.78

01:13:50.000 The puppy will die if you don't give money.

01:13:53.000 You know, if you don't give money, this person that you like won't get elected.

01:13:57.000 And then we use it for different things.

01:13:58.000 I think that's not ethical.

01:14:00.000 It's not consistent with my values as an attorney.

01:14:03.000 That would stop under me at the RNC.

01:14:05.000 Sounds great.

01:14:06.000 So this is so important because what you have to understand is when the left makes its moves, you're like, oh, the left, the left, the left.

01:14:10.000 When the left makes its moves, it's making, again, I keep saying this word, a provocation.

01:14:15.000 When that becomes real is when the conservatives are like, okay, we accept.

01:14:20.000 We reify the thing that you just wanted to do.

01:14:22.000 So, you know, they pass some horrific policy.

01:14:24.000 And when conservatives are like, okay, that's just how it is now, they change what it means to have an election.

01:14:29.000 And the conservatives say, that's just how it is now.

01:14:31.000 That's when it becomes real.

01:14:33.000 That's when we've actually given away a piece of our country.

01:14:36.000 So having somebody that's going to get in there and try to stand up and clean this mess up, this controlled opposition, hell, half of them are probably active participants, not controlled opposition.

01:14:45.000 They're pretending.

01:14:46.000 At that point, what you have to be able to do is you have to get in and get in the way of that because it's those people accepting it.

01:14:52.000 It's the Republicans rolling over after Barack Obama passes Obamacare.

01:14:57.000 They get in 2016, Trump comes in on a mandate to get rid of Obamacare.

01:15:00.000 What do they do?

01:15:01.000 They're like, well, they tried.

01:15:02.000 And then we're in this swamp.

01:15:05.000 This is how it works.

01:15:06.000 We don't lose our country until we give away the piece that they tried to take from us.

01:15:11.000 This is so important.

01:15:12.000 And this is why I'm so enthusiastic about Harmeet and why I'm enthusiastic for anyone that's going to challenge the RNC, Mike Lindell included, right?

01:15:19.000 And which is this: that when you lose, you should not be rewarded.

01:15:24.000 I know that sounds so obvious.

01:15:25.000 That's the way we treat our football teams, our corporations, or anything functioning.

01:15:30.000 And we should have won the Senate this last election cycle.

01:15:34.000 And the Democrats gained a Senate seat, period.

01:15:38.000 Carrie Lake should have received far more support from national Republican organizations. 1.00

01:15:44.000 And she did not.

01:15:46.000 And look, I'm kind of a subject matter expert here.

01:15:51.000 You know, at Turning Point USA, we're super blessed.

01:15:53.000 We have 150,000 donors.

01:15:55.000 Many of you give us money, and we are good stewards of that money.

01:15:58.000 In fact, we have 100% rating from Charity Navigator, and our fundraising costs are right near 6%.

01:16:04.000 The RNC's fundraising cost is 40%.

01:16:07.000 So when you give money to the Republican Party, only 60% goes to programming.

01:16:12.000 And then I have to read they spent $321,000 on flowers.

01:16:16.000 They spent $17 million on donor mementos, $100,000 on clothing.

01:16:22.000 Like, look, we run an organization.

01:16:24.000 We run a really tight ship.

01:16:25.000 That is unacceptable for the Republican Party to be doing.

01:16:28.000 It's an insult to all of you that have donated to candidates, and change is needed immediately.

01:16:32.000 And I think people don't realize this stuff.

01:16:34.000 I mean, I don't know a lot about the inner workings of the RNC or the DNC.

01:16:38.000 It's only in the past maybe, I don't know, half decade or so, we start learning more and more about the inner workings.

01:16:43.000 And now a lot of the stuff we're learning about what was going on, 300 grand on flowers coming for this.

01:16:49.000 In one year, that means one year.

01:16:50.000 No, so let me unpack this.

01:16:52.000 So that shrieking sound you hear from the building at the RNC is a lot of consultants and staff there jumping to the defense of the chair.

01:17:02.000 And I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

01:17:04.000 She probably knew about some of these things and thought, okay, this is business as usual.

01:17:08.000 That's part of the defense is, hey, everybody does it.

01:17:11.000 And then part of it is done by her staff, including some of these consultants who are making themselves rich off of donor money, big dollar and small dollar donor money.

01:17:21.000 But if you're so tone deaf that you don't realize that $700,000 worth of flowers over a six-year period showing up on your FEC report when the Democrats spent $1,000 during that time is problematic and you're defending that, you are totally out of touch, okay?

01:17:39.000 And blaming Trump, which is another line of attack that happened out of the RNC, they said, well, when the president is of your party, you pay for all the mementos, you pay for the Easter egg hunt, you pay for the Christmas parties.

01:17:50.000 Actually, that's a separate line item.

01:17:52.000 That's another $5 million that we haven't even talked about.

01:17:55.000 $5 million of parties and White House stuff.

01:17:58.000 But $500,000 or $300,000 worth of the jet expenses happened after Trump left office.

01:18:05.000 So how are you blaming Trump for that?

01:18:07.000 A lot of the flowers, a lot of the limos, $300,000 worth of the donor mementos came after Trump left office.

01:18:18.000 Guess what, guys?

01:18:19.000 I'm a donor.

01:18:20.000 A lot of you are donors.

01:18:21.000 Do you want mementos or do you want us to win elections?

01:18:25.000 Here's a question I have.

01:18:27.000 In terms of winning these elections, how do you convince this guy to vote for a Republican?

01:18:32.000 And I have a question for you to add to this, because Trump was just brought up.

01:18:36.000 Today he also officially endorsed Kevin McCarty as the head of the GOP, another career politician, which, as you can see from the, yeah, keep going.

01:18:45.000 You don't have to stop.

01:18:45.000 Keep going.

01:18:46.000 Let him hear it.

01:18:48.000 All right.

01:18:49.000 How do you guys deal with things like this?

01:18:51.000 How do you address it?

01:18:52.000 What's your reaction to this kind of latest news item?

01:18:55.000 Well, I'm going to say something, which is that if we had done our job at the RNC and also the leadership of the other two committees and Republicans had a large majority in the House, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

01:19:09.000 We wouldn't be having this really awkward conversation about a five-member margin, the Freedom Caucus, some of them not being happy, and this even being a conversation.

01:19:20.000 We might have been able to freely elect somebody who was popular with all of the members, but because of this odd situation that if they don't go that way, a Democrat might win, I think that is sort of the only choice that Republicans have right now.

01:19:34.000 Kevin McCarthy is better than a Democrat.

01:19:37.000 And so he's from my state, so I have to be a little diplomatic.

01:19:42.000 That's tough.

01:19:43.000 But look, I would say through the years of the last six years, there have been a lot of bad personnel choices.

01:19:50.000 There have been a lot of bad choices about who's around the hand of power.

01:19:54.000 And here we are.

01:19:55.000 And so I think we're going to make one more at the RNC if we just say, please, sir, may I have some more losing?

01:20:02.000 Yes.

01:20:02.000 I don't want that.

01:20:03.000 I don't want another helping of losing.

01:20:04.000 Well, and I just, can I brag on Harmeet?

01:20:06.000 I hope you understand how difficult this is for her to do.

01:20:09.000 She's a member of the 168.

01:20:11.000 This is a club. 0.60

01:20:12.000 It's a cartel.

01:20:13.000 It's a smoke-filled room.

01:20:14.000 You are not supposed to ask questions.

01:20:17.000 And she is receiving nonstop personal attacks on her business and her family.

01:20:21.000 These people have the knives out.

01:20:22.000 And it's a lot of courage for a person of the 168 to challenge one of their own.

01:20:27.000 I think she deserves a lot of credit for that.

01:20:29.000 Thank you.

01:20:30.000 But Charlie, the pain is being spread around because while you've been sitting here, a member of the 168 made an attack on you.

01:20:39.000 Oh, what did they say?

01:20:40.000 Well, you sent out this email.

01:20:42.000 Yeah, saying that turning point action might remove members of the RNC if they vote incorrectly. 0.97

01:20:46.000 Well, you're a bully. 0.98

01:20:47.000 Oh, I'm a bully. 1.00

01:20:48.000 You're a bully. 0.99

01:20:50.000 Harmeet's friends are bullying us. 0.99

01:20:53.000 This is why I kind of actually question one of your premises, Hamit. 0.93

01:20:56.000 And the premise that I'm questioning is that a Republican who sucks is better than a Democrat who you see as it's an obvious enemy.

01:21:06.000 And so at this point, it's like, I don't, and I'm not saying that I have an opinion on this, but I'm actually more worried about the Republican who poses as somebody who's going to do the right thing and then flops it every single time than I am about the Democrat who we We know they're going to do all you know. 0.88

01:21:22.000 Exactly.

01:21:23.000 We can mount a clear opposition to that.

01:21:24.000 We have to be milked, you know, all of us.

01:21:26.000 Well, it's not my premise.

01:21:27.000 You asked about Trump's endorsement.

01:21:29.000 That's the premise.

01:21:29.000 No, no.

01:21:30.000 That's why I'm not.

01:21:31.000 I don't know.

01:21:32.000 I'm the one who's being told that Rana has 107 votes, so it's a fait accompli.

01:21:38.000 I don't accept that.

01:21:39.000 I am not accepting it, and I am stepping up to challenge it.

01:21:43.000 People are turning my way.

01:21:43.000 And guess what?

01:21:45.000 I think that's me.

01:21:46.000 You know, from a little bit of the earlier conversation.

01:21:50.000 Look, people on the right call me a liberal, people on the left call me conservative or far right.

01:21:55.000 And for someone like me, probably Ian and Luke, we're not as easy to convince to vote, especially when we see constantly McConnell or McCarthy or whatever.

01:22:05.000 So I understand you don't want to lose.

01:22:06.000 Me, I'm more amicable to, okay, I get it.

01:22:09.000 Let's get our incremental victories.

01:22:12.000 But winning over more individuals like us to come to this side is going to be very difficult if we just keep saying the same thing over and over again.

01:22:18.000 And look, I mean, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.

01:22:18.000 Well, 100%.

01:22:25.000 And so with messaging that isn't working, certainly not appealing to young people.

01:22:30.000 The idea that a member of the 168 would attack the most popular youth movement in America right now shows you how out of touch they are.

01:22:38.000 But by the way, all of us don't feel that way.

01:22:40.000 I have also.

01:22:40.000 What state?

01:22:40.000 Who's this person from?

01:22:41.000 Washington State.

01:22:43.000 They're doing really well up there, that Republican Party.

01:22:47.000 Super robust.

01:22:49.000 Honestly, some of the members, by the way, many of the members I've spoken to, I got to call each of them, have hour-long conversations, which is wonderful.

01:22:56.000 I hear from them.

01:22:57.000 A lot of them are saying, Harmee, and one of the things they're upset about is that organically, thousands of Americans began contacting them from their own state saying, we'd like change.

01:23:08.000 This offends some members of the 168.

01:23:10.000 They've said, how dare you, how dare you sick this mob of low-information bitchers on us. 1.00

01:23:16.000 That's one statement that was made in the media by one of the members of the 16th.

01:23:20.000 This is what the RNC thinks of you.

01:23:22.000 Not all of them, but some of them.

01:23:23.000 Well, currently, they're saying it's a majority, though.

01:23:26.000 That's what they're saying.

01:23:27.000 But some of them said, Harmee, I don't mind at all.

01:23:30.000 I came from the grassroots.

01:23:32.000 I love to hear from the grassroots.

01:23:34.000 We need the Mount Vernon Project to get more of those leaders in the party.

01:23:38.000 That's right.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, so today at Turning Point Action, we announced the project.

01:23:41.000 If you're not going to represent your voters at the RNC, Turning Point Action will work to remove you.

01:23:45.000 I also want to make a point here. 0.63

01:23:48.000 You bully.

01:23:51.000 One point I wanted to make here to Tim's question about how you get me to vote is that I think the political lines have broken.

01:23:57.000 Tim deals with the corporate media attacking him from the left and right.

01:24:00.000 I had Bill O'Reilly call me a jihad-loving liberal.

01:24:03.000 I had Chris Matthews call me a right-wing racist teabagger.

01:24:06.000 Right now, it's not left or right.

01:24:07.000 It's establishment or anti-establishment.

01:24:09.000 And there's a huge portion of this country that doesn't vote, doesn't participate.

01:24:13.000 And if you could get those people, because those people are the anti-establishment, those people are sick of the two-party duopoly.

01:24:19.000 They're sick of being told lies every election cycle, only to be let down, only to be promised a bag of goods that gets taken away when they get out of that voting box.

01:24:27.000 How do you get the American people to care that are anti-establishment?

01:24:30.000 That's a question that I would love to hear from you guys.

01:24:32.000 Well, one thing I would say is that I will say that something I've been saying on the campaign trail for the last two weeks and for years actually is that our party is not the party of the Chamber of Commerce anymore and the warmongers.

01:24:45.000 And it's not that party anymore.

01:24:47.000 That was the party when I was young, Cold War era, neocons everywhere running the party.

01:24:53.000 But the people who run the party, some of the members of the 168 have actually been there since that era, and they haven't noticed that the voters have changed.

01:25:01.000 They haven't noticed that the Trump populism has brought a whole new wave of people into the party.

01:25:06.000 Unless we work to retain those by messages and messengers who believe that, who act that, who tell them that we want them, we are going to continue to lose elections.

01:25:17.000 That's the problem.

01:25:19.000 Just real quick, probably should have done this right off the bat, but can you explain the 168?

01:25:22.000 Yeah, the 168 is like, we were joking backstage, it's now sounding like the Illuminati, but the 168.

01:25:31.000 That's my love language.

01:25:32.000 Careful. 1.00

01:25:33.000 The 168 are three members of each of 50 states and six territories.

01:25:40.000 And believe it or not, my state with 40 million people has the same amount of power at the RNC as American Samoa.

01:25:46.000 They also have three and they have like 50,000 people there.

01:25:49.000 But those 168 vote to elect the next chair of the RNC, treasurer, co-chair, and so forth.

01:25:55.000 And so you got to get a majority of them.

01:25:57.000 That's 85 to win.

01:25:59.000 And so Rana started out with a big list.

01:26:03.000 That list is smaller if we were being truthful.

01:26:05.000 But people are being attacked.

01:26:06.000 There was a story today that she, quote unquote, lassoed somebody from the herd who had flipped over to my side, got them back.

01:26:12.000 This is the kind of humiliating language we see about this election.

01:26:16.000 Conservatives pounce.

01:26:17.000 Conservatives pounce.

01:26:18.000 Is it because the ones people at the 168 feel like they're going to lose like deals that they have?

01:26:23.000 They're going to lose.

01:26:24.000 Like if I were the new chair, I would change who's the chair of all the committees, okay? 1.00

01:26:30.000 I would stop the tchotchkes at donor expense. 1.00

01:26:34.000 I would stop the staff retreats at $1,000 a night. 1.00

01:26:38.000 I think that's obscene.

01:26:39.000 I would stop a lot of the waste and access there.

01:26:42.000 I have pledged to move most, if not all, of the operations of the RNC out of DC because DC is not America.

01:26:51.000 I'm sorry for anybody who lives in DC.

01:26:54.000 And I want people who work at the RNC to live in America and be in touch with America because we represent America.

01:27:04.000 That's very threatening to consultants who live in America, lobbyists who have the pipeline to the consultants, all of that.

01:27:10.000 So they're very upset about that.

01:27:12.000 Two things.

01:27:12.000 So first, it's kind of similar to the College of the Cardinals, but it's a secret ballot, which is upsetting to me, but it's also really exciting to me personally.

01:27:21.000 It's upsetting because I want to be able to know who to hold accountable.

01:27:25.000 But I think a lot of people are going to flip on Rana and vote for Harmeet since it's a secret ballot.

01:27:31.000 So I think it's actually, I think, a better thing in some sense.

01:27:34.000 But number two, to answer the question of how do you win over me?

01:27:38.000 I will just keep on reiterating this.

01:27:39.000 We're a conservative organization at Turning Point USA, and we allow different opinions and different voices.

01:27:45.000 There is a trend that on the right, free speech is protected and preserved.

01:27:50.000 Show the equivalent left-wing group that would invite Tim Poole to go do his show and just kind of take questions.

01:27:55.000 It just doesn't exist.

01:27:56.000 Well, Luke's, he's pro-Biden Fetterman.

01:27:58.000 You can tell by his shirt.

01:27:59.000 It's a no-brainer, he says.

01:28:00.000 No-brainer.

01:28:01.000 Hey, two potatoes are better than one potato, okay?

01:28:04.000 I'm speaking my language.

01:28:06.000 I agree with what you're saying, though.

01:28:07.000 And there's that meme comic where it's a guy in the middle, and there's a blue person and a red person.

01:28:13.000 The blue person pushes the guy in the middle, and the guy on the right says, oh, are you okay?

01:28:16.000 And then they're like, why are you siding with the right?

01:28:18.000 And I'm like, clearly, like, if I have discussions with people, I fall on the more traditional liberal spectrum.

01:28:24.000 I'm sure James does on a lot of issues as well.

01:28:27.000 But here, Wyden, a little bit, man.

01:28:29.000 No, I'm lasso.

01:28:30.000 Suing James over to my side.

01:28:31.000 No, no, your lasso don't work. 0.67

01:28:33.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:28:33.000 I have a tremendous integrity, but they're freaking me the hell out, man.

01:28:37.000 The left is out of control.

01:28:38.000 They're freaking me out.

01:28:39.000 Something that bothers me, you mentioned insanity earlier, Harmee, doing the same thing over and over again, is that recently we've been using digital voting machines and they're touting the votes in secret with proprietary code.

01:28:49.000 I think that's unethical.

01:28:51.000 I think that the code should be open source.

01:28:53.000 Of course.

01:28:53.000 So that we can watch the tallies.

01:28:55.000 And I'd like to see a backup of the voting on a blockchain so that we can verify our votes without having to rely on a company telling us what our votes are.

01:29:03.000 And I really like it.

01:29:04.000 The whole idea of these corporations having proprietary access and they can't show you the code because that would break some NDA.

01:29:11.000 That's nonsense.

01:29:12.000 And we must stop allowing that.

01:29:14.000 And think about what this means, too.

01:29:15.000 That there was a period where we used paper ballots that you could physically see and check from a box.

01:29:20.000 And then one day, without anybody realizing it, a private corporation got full control over that knowledge and took it away from us.

01:29:26.000 Is it something at the RNC that you can change?

01:29:29.000 I can't change it at the RNC, but the RNC can strongly encourage certain policies.

01:29:34.000 We can go to court and fight.

01:29:36.000 We didn't do that for four of the six years I've been at the RNC.

01:29:38.000 I started, I mean, I'm a lawyer, so of course, I started jumping up and talking about that.

01:29:42.000 In the last two years, we began to do it.

01:29:44.000 Mark Elias and company were doing it a decade earlier.

01:29:47.000 They're extremely well funded.

01:29:49.000 After the Democrats didn't do well in the 2004 election, they all had a meeting of their Illuminati.

01:29:54.000 Okay, they sat around a table and they're just okay, Bob, Chuck, Jim, Sue, each of you is going to give hundreds of thousands of dollars for the following 200 nonprofits, nonprofits, okay?

01:30:04.000 And then we're going to use that to control America's elections. 0.91

01:30:07.000 And it took them a while, but they control America's elections now for the most part.

01:30:11.000 And Republicans are like, oh, oops, isn't that unfortunate?

01:30:13.000 Too bad, so sad.

01:30:14.000 Try again next time.

01:30:16.000 But we can do something about it.

01:30:18.000 We can start filing lawsuits right now to protect us for the 2024 election, and we have to.

01:30:24.000 I think it's real quick.

01:30:25.000 Let me just, I want to say one simple thing you can do is win.

01:30:27.000 And then once there are more good people who are in Congress and in the Senate, then they can start actually pushing those.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I was arguing with a great conservative activist online about this.

01:30:38.000 And they said, Harmony, why aren't you doing this?

01:30:39.000 Why aren't you doing that?

01:30:40.000 The way that we change the voting laws in each of the states is, we have to do it state by state, is win elections, win the legislature, and win the governor's race.

01:30:50.000 And by the way, that's not enough.

01:30:52.000 You have to have judges on the state Supreme Court who are willing to uphold the laws.

01:30:57.000 You have to have all three of those things.

01:30:58.000 And if you have that, you can absolutely go back to the way it was 20 years ago if you want.

01:31:03.000 But it requires that combination.

01:31:05.000 If you don't have it, you've got to play the game the way it is.

01:31:07.000 And it's foolish to just say, I wish we were operating in this state under those rules.

01:31:11.000 Let me take my ballot and walk it in election day and vote in person.

01:31:15.000 Maybe it's snowing, maybe I forgot.

01:31:16.000 That's a bad idea.

01:31:17.000 If you can vote early right now, my advice and the advice of most activists is go ahead and take advantage of that.

01:31:23.000 I'm calling it claim your vote early so that somebody else can't take it.

01:31:26.000 That's the way to go until we change those laws. 1.00

01:31:29.000 The next couple of years moving forward, I think the most important thing is ballot harvesting.

01:31:33.000 I think when you look at the polling, likely voters don't matter.

01:31:37.000 They ask everybody, are you likely to vote?

01:31:39.000 Are you registered?

01:31:40.000 Yes.

01:31:40.000 But then all of a sudden the numbers don't equal up because they're going door to door.

01:31:44.000 They're ballot harvesting.

01:31:45.000 That's right.

01:31:45.000 We have to hustle our ballots into the ballot boxes, not emotionally appeal with expensive ads and hope people show up on election day.

01:31:53.000 That is one of the reasons why we're losing.

01:31:55.000 I agree with you, Tim, that it's important.

01:31:57.000 I think the most important thing is a message of something we can do as a society.

01:32:01.000 We can create a new industry of graphene.

01:32:04.000 Are you familiar with graphene?

01:32:06.000 Everyone drink.

01:32:07.000 We can take a shot, right?

01:32:08.000 Essentially, a lot of activists, you might say left-wing activists, are concerned with carbon in the air.

01:32:12.000 You can withdraw the carbon from the air and turn it into graphene.

01:32:15.000 So we can set up an industry where we're healing the earth and building the new material that will be used in the 21st century as the most epic building material.

01:32:22.000 You should tell Kevin McCarthy about that.

01:32:24.000 But look, Ian, let's broaden that.

01:32:26.000 Let's broaden that and say when they talk about climate change and they try and use that as a message for elections, the simple answer is technology will solve all these problems if we advocate for it, be it graphene or something.

01:32:35.000 It will solve this problem, but then create a new one where we start to take so much carbon out that the trees are suffering and we'll need to balance that out with countries across the world and create like a global initiative.

01:32:44.000 Sometimes I think he just says graphene to get a rise out of people.

01:32:47.000 I wouldn't.

01:32:47.000 I don't even want to.

01:32:48.000 I just have to.

01:32:49.000 Maybe it's just a pathway to seeing a global initiative.

01:32:51.000 I don't know.

01:32:52.000 Yes.

01:32:52.000 You know, I've had a lot of conversations with libertarians and anarchists, and I feel like they're revolutionary.

01:32:57.000 I'm more of a reformer.

01:32:59.000 I'm looking for a few wins here and there and a path towards success.

01:33:04.000 And right now we're looking at the loss of free speech.

01:33:08.000 The platforms where we have our political communication, political conversations have been stripped away from basically everybody.

01:33:14.000 It's more apparent than ever now, especially with Elon leaking all this stuff.

01:33:16.000 So for me, I'm kind of like, Harmee, you winning is a huge net advantage.

01:33:21.000 You take a look at what happened in 2022 with the midterms.

01:33:24.000 It was still good, but everyone was surprised it wasn't good enough.

01:33:28.000 I think Republicans are still very much, it's changing, but it was like what you were saying, Ian, they want a good message.

01:33:34.000 They think, unfortunately, they can stand on stage to a bunch of good people and try and convince them why they're right.

01:33:39.000 And then what ends up happening is the Democrats just knock on someone's door and say, who cares who's right?

01:33:42.000 Just mark the box with a D on it.

01:33:44.000 I mean, that's how you have a Federman.

01:33:47.000 You know, that's how you have a Caden Hobbes.

01:33:49.000 Absolutely empty vessels, but it doesn't matter because their machine will elect whoever has a D behind their name.

01:33:54.000 Now, on our side, we're asking people to elect the same leadership again and again at the RNC, the Senate, the House, and expect that things will be different.

01:34:03.000 That's not very inspiring.

01:34:04.000 So I know I can change one of those things.

01:34:06.000 I can't change the other two.

01:34:07.000 You think there should be term limits for a congressman?

01:34:10.000 Well, I was not of that view years ago, but I've begun to come around to that.

01:34:15.000 I think we should.

01:34:16.000 What would be a reasonable term limit?

01:34:18.000 Probably 12 years, you know, something like that, a decent amount of time, maybe two years for senators or three terms.

01:34:24.000 That'd be two Senate terms, yeah.

01:34:26.000 For me, one day.

01:34:27.000 In and out.

01:34:27.000 That's it.

01:34:28.000 You're gone.

01:34:28.000 No, that's chaos.

01:34:30.000 But again, term limits are not some magic potion.

01:34:33.000 California's messed up and they have term limits in their state government.

01:34:36.000 Term limits are good.

01:34:37.000 I think it will improve DC, but it's a lot structurally more broken than just term limits.

01:34:41.000 What about term limits for administrators?

01:34:43.000 But you know, I just want to bring up, I'm sorry, go ahead, Esther.

01:34:44.000 Oh, term limits for the administrative staff.

01:34:48.000 That's a better reform.

01:34:49.000 Yeah, but again, if you move people out of D.C., including government agencies, people will not find it so attractive to hang on to those jobs because in the real world, those are not very attractive jobs.

01:35:00.000 They're not fulfilling.

01:35:01.000 And however, they get paid pretty well and there's no accountability.

01:35:04.000 That is the industry.

01:35:05.000 That's the industry of D.C.

01:35:07.000 So if people lived in America and they were like, hey, Bob looks happy across the street, and Bob has a job at, you know, whatever, a factory doing something useful, there's just more mixing it up in the real world.

01:35:17.000 Where would you move it to when you go out of D.C.?

01:35:19.000 Well, I wouldn't move it to a particular place, but we have all these swing states where we need to win them.

01:35:24.000 You know, Arizona, you know, Georgia.

01:35:29.000 I mean, Texas is even becoming a swing state, unfortunately.

01:35:33.000 Ohio, Pennsylvania.

01:35:34.000 I would move it to those places where we need to win.

01:35:37.000 And just, you know, we have the following departments.

01:35:40.000 We have communications, we have fundraising, we have political, we have digital, we have administrative.

01:35:45.000 All of those things could be like we learned from COVID.

01:35:47.000 Like my law firm at the beginning of COVID had one office.

01:35:50.000 I have five offices today.

01:35:51.000 I haven't even visited them, but the offices are running beautifully because we have telephones, we have Zoom, we have ways to communicate with each other.

01:35:59.000 We don't all need to be sitting in some decrepit edifice in D.C.

01:36:03.000 So you're considering decentralizing?

01:36:04.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:36:06.000 This is a huge reform.

01:36:07.000 This cannot be emphasized enough.

01:36:09.000 This alone will give a competitive advantage worth tens of millions of dollars.

01:36:13.000 To be out of the beltway, in the place where you have to win over voters, it will humble the staff.

01:36:17.000 You'll hire better people.

01:36:18.000 You'll be out of the kind of, because that way consultants just can't take an Uber and walk a couple blocks and get all their work done.

01:36:24.000 And then go to Morton's.

01:36:25.000 And then go to K-Street.

01:36:26.000 So it's like, no, you got to get on a plane.

01:36:28.000 You got to come visit us in Buckhead.

01:36:30.000 You got to tell us why we got to use your service.

01:36:32.000 You're coming into our culture with our locally hired people.

01:36:35.000 It changes everything.

01:36:36.000 Instead of just the same incestuous Washington, D.C. hiring carousel. 0.64

01:36:42.000 Day one, my recommendation to Harmit is to say the RNC D.C. building is closed.

01:36:48.000 We are going to sell it.

01:36:49.000 You will make like $40 million right there by selling that building.

01:36:53.000 And we're going to open up field offices in Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia, and we're going to go win elections.

01:36:59.000 Fundraising in Florida.

01:37:00.000 There you go.

01:37:02.000 Harmeet, you've been involved in a lot more than just this, especially with social media censorship and things like that.

01:37:07.000 Do you want to just explain some of the battles that you've been in culturally and politically?

01:37:10.000 Yeah, sure.

01:37:10.000 I've been a First Amendment lawyer for almost my entire career now, almost 30 years.

01:37:14.000 And it first came to my attention what was going on.

01:37:17.000 I mean, to be honest with him, the first time I got on Facebook, I ran for a state assembly and a young staffer told me to get on there and it became fun.

01:37:23.000 I got on Twitter when I became more active in the state party in California.

01:37:27.000 But then what I learned about the case of James DeMoore, James DeMoore, young software programmer at Google, I didn't know him, but he got fired for saying the shocking truth that maybe we should be considering in diversity.

01:37:41.000 We should be talking about diversity of ideas as well.

01:37:43.000 And then that was anathema.

01:37:46.000 It got him fired.

01:37:46.000 And so his friends tried to find a conservative lawyer in California, in San Francisco Bay Area, who has expertise in employment law.

01:37:55.000 And that was a sort of Venn diagram of one.

01:37:57.000 And so I took his case, and we really made that cause celeb.

01:38:01.000 We exposed what was going on inside Google.

01:38:03.000 And I can't discuss the details, but the case had a positive ending.

01:38:07.000 And so as a result of that, I really began to look at some of these things.

01:38:10.000 Then we get into Communications Decency Act, Section 230, social media censorship.

01:38:14.000 I represented a prominent Canadian feminist named Megan Murphy.

01:38:18.000 Megan Murphy was critical of a transgender activist, Jessica Yanov, in Vancouver, who hadn't transitioned medically, but was going to immigrant women's homes and asking them to wax this person's genitals.

01:38:35.000 You know, and these women wouldn't want to do it, and then he would file civil rights lawsuits against them for violating their rights. 1.00

01:38:40.000 And Megan Murphy was banned initially for saying men aren't women, though.

01:38:44.000 Exactly.

01:38:45.000 Recently reinstated by Elon.

01:38:46.000 At the time, the terms of service of Twitter did not make misgendering a violation of the terms of service.

01:38:52.000 This is an important point.

01:38:53.000 But the Twitter Illuminati, if you will, simply retroactively changed the law that changed the terms of service and bounced her permanently.

01:39:03.000 And so I sued over that case, went to the state court and the Court of Appeals, and the court said, sorry, Communications Decency Act, Section 230 means their terms of service don't matter.

01:39:13.000 It's irrelevant what they say to you.

01:39:14.000 They can do whatever they want.

01:39:16.000 And there have been other cases, Rogan O'Hanley, aka D.C. Draino, another client of our firm.

01:39:23.000 I have a question for you on the Section 230 thing.

01:39:26.000 So Wikipedia, they, you know, this one really lights a fire in me because the article about Project Veritas is just a fabrication.

01:39:35.000 It's a whole bunch of op-eds.

01:39:36.000 Most Wikipedia of any conservative is a fabrication.

01:39:39.000 But it says at the top of the article, from Wikipedia.

01:39:42.000 That's their byline, not the user-generated content.

01:39:45.000 I'm wondering if there's some vector there for suing defamation terms.

01:39:50.000 Well, they have all these editors, and I'm not sure they fit the definition of a social media network.

01:39:56.000 So I haven't really deeply examined that issue, but they have editors who are appointed there.

01:40:00.000 It's a nonprofit foundation.

01:40:03.000 Wikipedia is a joke, by the way, if anybody here cites them or thinks of relying on them.

01:40:09.000 I want to give a special shout out to our friends in the corporate press who created their own Wikipedia entry called Thursday Night Massacre because a small handful were suspended temporarily on Twitter.

01:40:19.000 For 12 hours or so.

01:40:20.000 12 hours.

01:40:21.000 And they wrote themselves an encyclopedia entry.

01:40:23.000 I guess they assume that in a thousand years, humanity needs to know this happened to them.

01:40:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:40:28.000 So look, until we have a Republican Congress, Senate, president, and we still have judges who are willing to uphold things.

01:40:38.000 I mean, I keep talking about 2017, 2018.

01:40:41.000 We had all of those things.

01:40:42.000 We had the Supreme Court.

01:40:44.000 We had all the branches of government.

01:40:45.000 And then we have Republican congressmen who love to pound the table and point fingers at the executives at these social media companies and then go to a reception at K Street and pick up checks from them.

01:40:58.000 That's the uniparty that people are talking about.

01:41:01.000 Until we have elected officials who are willing to stand up and say there needs to be a social media user's bill of rights that gives us a private right of action, that Communications Decency Act, 1996 law, way before any of these social media companies, needs to be edited to make clear that it does not exempt these companies from normal laws that govern corporations.

01:41:21.000 You mentioned earlier when you were saying Twitter, I agree with you.

01:41:23.000 Also, check out the Manila principles because they've got six great principles that are on a path for a law, internet law.

01:41:29.000 But what you were saying when Megan Murphy was dealing with getting banned, Twitter changed the law after the fact.

01:41:32.000 Then you corrected yourself and said the terms of service meant I do kind of see it as a law.

01:41:36.000 And I wonder.

01:41:36.000 It's a law of the corporation.

01:41:38.000 Sure.

01:41:38.000 Should we, when a corporate social media network changes its terms of service, should that go to Congress?

01:41:43.000 And then they've got to let them vote?

01:41:44.000 I'm not sure I trust Congress necessarily.

01:41:46.000 I would definitely trust plaintiffs' lawyers more than Congress.

01:41:49.000 So I think we just need a, we need the right to be able to go into court and prove our case in court.

01:41:55.000 Here's what we're going to do.

01:41:56.000 We're going to take a few super chats and then in about 10 minutes, we're actually going to go to audience Q ⁇ A.

01:42:01.000 I think we're, I think we are.

01:42:02.000 Cool.

01:42:02.000 Pretty sure.

01:42:03.000 And then, yeah, so, but there's a few things that I'll bring up.

01:42:06.000 We're not going to get as many super chats as we normally do because I clearly I don't even have a computer in front of me.

01:42:10.000 But there was one I saw that's really good.

01:42:11.000 Ty Beham says, I would like to see the RNC pledge to repeal the Patriot Act.

01:42:16.000 What are your guys' thoughts on that?

01:42:17.000 Can I address that?

01:42:18.000 Yeah.

01:42:20.000 Okay.

01:42:21.000 I am certainly the only member of the Republican National Committee who, when the Patriot Act was passed, joined the board of the American Civil Liberties Union in order to try to repeal it.

01:42:32.000 Wow.

01:42:33.000 And it's held against me, believe me, every time I run for any office, it's part of Rana's oppo that she's dumping on me.

01:42:41.000 I'm proud of the fact that back in the day, I saw that the government having this kind of power in the name of national security was rapidly going to be wielded against Americans.

01:42:53.000 And there was only one member of Congress who voted against it.

01:42:55.000 It was a Democrat.

01:42:56.000 It was Barbara Lee in California across the bay in Oakland.

01:42:59.000 Good for her.

01:43:00.000 But those of us who were paying attention on both sides of the aisle, there were Republicans back then still supporting the ACLU, not today, and including not me, for many years.

01:43:09.000 But exactly what I was worried about 21 years ago has come to pass.

01:43:14.000 And it came to pass years ago and we didn't know about it.

01:43:17.000 And so we should wake up and smell the coffee.

01:43:20.000 The government should never have that kind of control to be able to read our emails, read our chats, treat all of us as guilty until proven innocent.

01:43:27.000 That is anathema to the Constitution itself.

01:43:30.000 But what if we got rid of the Patriot Act?

01:43:32.000 I don't like the Patriot Act at all, but if we got rid of it and then our government couldn't spy on us anymore, but then the Chinese government could and would, and the British government would, and then the Mexican government would, like, would that put us at a disservice as Americans?

01:43:45.000 No, I mean, I don't really follow that.

01:43:47.000 I mean, if we're allowing other governments to spy on us, we got to stop that.

01:43:51.000 It's not a solution to just say we should all be spying.

01:43:53.000 So maybe the Patriot Act itself is irrelevant, that we just need technology that's resilient to spying.

01:43:58.000 Or we need a government that's resilient to pandering to every foreign innovation.

01:44:05.000 I don't know why TikTok is allowed in this country.

01:44:07.000 Ban it.

01:44:09.000 I love this one too, because there's a lot of liberal and lefty types who are like, oh, I'm so free speech.

01:44:13.000 I'm in favor of banning an entire social media platform.

01:44:16.000 And I've seen that from some of the enlightened centrists too. 1.00

01:44:18.000 And it's a foreign-owned corporation that's manipulating our youth. 1.00

01:44:23.000 And we're banning it. 1.00

01:44:25.000 It's a spying, it's a Patriot, it's the Chinese version of the Patriot Act that we, like gullible fools, are willingly allowing onto our devices. 0.91

01:44:33.000 We could demand that the code is open source before it sets foot on our soil. 0.75

01:44:38.000 I mean, look, I mean, for all of, I praised Elon Musk for his innovations.

01:44:43.000 You can't do business in China without being beholden to the Chinese government.

01:44:47.000 That's a fact.

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:50.000 By the way, when I show up at RNC meetings, and I hate to harp on this, but I pick up the water bottle that they give me that says RNC.

01:44:56.000 This is my husband and I.

01:44:57.000 It's our reflex.

01:44:58.000 We turn it over. 0.99

01:44:59.000 What does it say, made in China? 1.00

01:45:00.000 Give it back. 0.97

01:45:01.000 You have to have some principles. 1.00

01:45:02.000 No tchotchkis from China in my administration. 1.00

01:45:06.000 Luke, who do you think about banning TikTok? 0.92

01:45:08.000 Complicated issue, fifth-generational warfare.

01:45:10.000 I think we need more awareness.

01:45:12.000 More people need to be made aware that every single piece of their data is being used, harvested, and weaponized against them.

01:45:18.000 The U.S. intelligence agencies do it.

01:45:20.000 The Chinese intelligence agencies do it.

01:45:22.000 We need to be, I think we need a bill of rights of privacy and liberty where we could protect individuals' privacy.

01:45:30.000 I think that's more important than ever.

01:45:31.000 Yeah, data privacy in particular.

01:45:32.000 This is so, so, so important.

01:45:34.000 We must treat our data.

01:45:35.000 I don't know exactly, we got a lawyer, she can deal with it, but it really does need to fall under the idea of something akin to copyright law.

01:45:42.000 If you produce the data, you somehow have ownership over that data.

01:45:45.000 You somehow have control over that data.

01:45:47.000 Because if we're not doing that, then it's getting used.

01:45:49.000 Yeah, I mean, there is a patchwork of laws in different states that give you certain rights, but it's not a federal law.

01:45:55.000 Yeah.

01:45:56.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:45:57.000 I've got Raymond G. Stanley Jr., who, of course, is a big super chatter.

01:46:00.000 Shout out Raymond, who says, Tim Crew, guests, killer show.

01:46:03.000 I dig IRL spreading the different perspectives to the youth.

01:46:06.000 Tim, does this mean you're now coming out as a right-winger conservative?

01:46:09.000 Nope, just a milk toast fenceitter, as per usual.

01:46:11.000 But Luke can harp on the government all day, and everybody seems to get a kick out of that, so we're good.

01:46:15.000 And then we have Waffle Sensei.

01:46:17.000 He says, remember when World War II ended and we decided to create a one-world government in order to prevent falling into a one-world government?

01:46:25.000 What I love about this one is that Ian brings up the liberal economic order, which is on the website of the CFR.

01:46:33.000 We bring it up from time to time.

01:46:35.000 George H.W. Bush talked about a new world order.

01:46:38.000 There were a few statements recently about creating a new world order.

01:46:41.000 I'm curious, I guess, you know, Harmie, you weren't here for the earlier part of the conversation about the great reset, this international, I don't know, you will own nothing and you will be happy kind of mentality that we're seeing.

01:46:53.000 I mean, my parents didn't leave their homeland and bring me here to America for America to turn into some kind of socialist utopia.

01:47:01.000 We don't want that.

01:47:02.000 So, in fact, most of the people who come to this country don't want that.

01:47:05.000 It's amazing how many Americans who grew up here and have all the privileges in the world have no awareness about world history or human nature or the brutality that happens in the name of equality.

01:47:17.000 I agree, and that's tough.

01:47:20.000 Every day, you know, I think about there's a lot of people who are not getting accurate information.

01:47:25.000 They're either believing the lies from the corporate media or they just don't care.

01:47:28.000 And the question is: how do you convince them?

01:47:30.000 You convince them by being a part of the solution.

01:47:33.000 You homeschool your children, you promote open carry laws, you expose the controlled intel agencies controlling social media, you get engaged with the dialogue, you show up at your school boards, you get involved where it matters.

01:47:45.000 And I think we are having victories.

01:47:46.000 We are winning in some extent.

01:47:48.000 There's a bigger fight here.

01:47:49.000 It is spiritual as well, but it's a fight that is absolutely incredible to be a part of, and I'm so happy and blessed to be alive for it.

01:47:55.000 Well, let me ask a tough question.

01:47:57.000 How do you guys feel about the fact they banned guns in this building?

01:47:59.000 No, no, no.

01:48:00.000 That's a Phoenix City thing.

01:48:01.000 It's a Phoenix City thing.

01:48:02.000 Yes.

01:48:02.000 So that's what I mean.

01:48:03.000 Like, like.

01:48:04.000 Well, no, I don't like it.

01:48:05.000 I'm just.

01:48:05.000 Someone said, Charlie, are you not pro-second amendment turning point?

01:48:08.000 We are here under the regime of the Phoenix City Council, okay?

01:48:11.000 Just so we're clear.

01:48:12.000 Well, that's what I mean.

01:48:13.000 I mean, would you feel better or worse if everybody here was armed?

01:48:17.000 Better.

01:48:18.000 Better.

01:48:18.000 I'd feel better.

01:48:20.000 Yeah.

01:48:21.000 I'm totally fine with it.

01:48:22.000 I think we'd be better off.

01:48:23.000 You know, I'm coming in and I see they got all the big security and stuff like that, and there's the signs.

01:48:27.000 And I grew up in Chicago, and I'm just like, I'm not going to live that way.

01:48:32.000 If I want to be up here and I want to put myself at risk, that's nothing about everyone.

01:48:35.000 That's no reason to take away someone else's rights.

01:48:38.000 I agree.

01:48:39.000 But Luke mentioned open carry laws, and I agree with that.

01:48:42.000 Which have been growing and developing, and we have more gun rights than we ever had, I think, especially on the local level.

01:48:48.000 This is a huge victory that we need to remember, that we need to promote, that we need to keep up the fight with.

01:48:52.000 Hey, why vote Republican?

01:48:53.000 Vote Republican for that.

01:48:54.000 Only one party's fighting for your gun rights, man.

01:48:57.000 Yeah.

01:49:00.000 One response, but it's not bump stock Donnie.

01:49:04.000 Okay, I mean, fine, but he was better on guns than Biden.

01:49:09.000 I mean, look at the record now.

01:49:10.000 Yeah, well, there's a disagree with you.

01:49:12.000 As of right now, no.

01:49:13.000 Because of the laws passed, because of what Donald Trump did.

01:49:17.000 And I think on the local level, government actually, you know.

01:49:20.000 Well, hold on.

01:49:21.000 Trump did a bump stock thing, which I didn't like, but Trump also appointed Supreme Court justices that upheld the Heller decision, which is way more consequential than some aesthetic configuration on a gun.

01:49:31.000 But what did Biden do other than just rhetoric?

01:49:34.000 Biden, I believe, has now directed the ATF and the FBI to go after purchases, bank transactions.

01:49:39.000 No, those are bank transactions or a private company.

01:49:41.000 But Biden does talk a tough talk, but he hasn't done anything yet.

01:49:46.000 From what I understand, is he is re-weaponizing the federal government to go after what they called Operation Choke Point, which is basically destroying firearm manufacturers in our country.

01:49:56.000 I mean, not to mention.

01:49:57.000 By the way, nothing is done by a private company anymore.

01:50:00.000 If anything, over the last few days of the Twitter dump says to us, do not believe that anybody is organically doing things that are taking away your rights.

01:50:07.000 Your government is doing that.

01:50:08.000 Hey, come on. 0.77

01:50:09.000 Biden appointed Katangi Brown Jackson, who said she doesn't believe in the Heller decision.

01:50:14.000 And Trump gave you three justices that did.

01:50:17.000 Heller decision is the Roe versus Wade of Second Amendment.

01:50:20.000 Everything that we have with gun rights hinges on the Heller decision, which was 5-4.

01:50:25.000 Biden wants it repealed.

01:50:26.000 Trump put people in office that upheld it.

01:50:28.000 And if it was Hillary in 2016, it would have been three liberal justices that gun rights would have been. 1.00

01:50:33.000 They would have overturned that.

01:50:34.000 Cobbs would never have happened.

01:50:35.000 That's right.

01:50:35.000 So many things would never have happened.

01:50:36.000 Well, and Heller, just so you know, was the Washington, D.C. plaintiff that said, I have a right to own a firearm.

01:50:42.000 And Clarence Thomas was the deciding vote and wrote the opinion.

01:50:46.000 And he said, yes, not only is the Second Amendment critical for your safety, but you have a moral right to be able to defend yourself because of the Second Amendment.

01:50:54.000 You guys make very good points.

01:50:55.000 I could see it on some of them.

01:50:56.000 But I'm still mad at Reagan banning machine guns, and that's really messed up and horrible that he did that.

01:51:00.000 Didn't Reagan do no-fault divorce as well? 1.00

01:51:02.000 That's the obvious fan of him.

01:51:03.000 If you want the thought crime, it's Reagan wasn't as conservative as people remember.

01:51:07.000 What do you guys think about term limits for Supreme Court justices?

01:51:10.000 I'm against it.

01:51:11.000 I don't like it.

01:51:12.000 Because the way you're talking about because of this guy, we saved our gun rights makes me very nervous.

01:51:16.000 So I don't want to rely on hoping that someone can come in and save me.

01:51:19.000 Yeah, but I mean, this, it's, in my opinion, even with the ones who were there for a long time, I like the system where we have to be forced to elect good people to the presidency so that we aren't just waiting for the justices to term out.

01:51:36.000 It does up the stakes for the presidency, but that's okay because what's at stake is our liberty.

01:51:41.000 And I don't want them to just be rotating out and have new versions of them.

01:51:44.000 We're going to wrap up the live portion for everybody watching at home, and we're going to take questions from the audience.

01:51:49.000 But for those who are watching at home, become a member at TimCast.com because we're going to have that members-only QA up as the members-only portion for tonight.

01:51:56.000 So there's still something there available for you.

01:51:58.000 So smash that like button. 0.97

01:51:59.000 You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.

01:52:01.000 You can follow me at Timcast, but let's go around if you guys want to shout anything out, Charlie.

01:52:05.000 Well, first, thank you all in the audience for sitting through all this.

01:52:08.000 You guys are amazing.

01:52:09.000 We do what we do because of you.

01:52:12.000 I want to just say a couple shout outs.

01:52:13.000 I want to thank Tim for making the journey out here.

01:52:16.000 This is unusual and it's really fun.

01:52:17.000 We love having you at Turning Point USA.

01:52:19.000 You're welcome at all of our events.

01:52:20.000 This is really cool and exciting.

01:52:22.000 For everyone watching at home, we do three podcasts a day.

01:52:25.000 If you guys want to subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast, if I piqued your curiosity at all, we are unabashedly conservative, but we have James Lindsay on a lot, Harmead on a lot.

01:52:33.000 And Tim, I think you're coming on the show later.

01:52:35.000 You guys could type in Charlie Kirk Show to your podcast provider and hit subscribe.

01:52:38.000 It would bless us.

01:52:39.000 And if you guys are interested in Turning Point USA, start a high school or college chapter, tpusa.com.

01:52:46.000 Yes, well, thank you, Tim, for having me here today.

01:52:48.000 This has been a lot of fun.

01:52:48.000 I look forward to joining you next month as well.

01:52:51.000 Thank you, Charlie, for starting Turning Point USA, one of the most exciting and innovative organizations in the country.

01:52:58.000 If you are a Republican, since many of my Republican fellow members are very triggered at hearing from their voters, I would ask that you perhaps contact Republican delegates or activists or committee man or precinct man in your state and ask for a vote on the leadership of the RNC at that activist level.

01:53:15.000 That's been successful in Arizona, in Texas, in Tennessee, and increasing in other states.

01:53:20.000 So finally, make your views known, stand up and be counted.

01:53:24.000 Thank you.

01:53:29.000 I want to thank all of you all for coming out.

01:53:31.000 I want to thank all of you for coming to AmericaFest and supporting this great event.

01:53:35.000 Thank you, Charlie, for hosting it, making it work.

01:53:37.000 Thank you for everything you do with having me work with Turning Point and come do things at Turning Point.

01:53:42.000 It's been a fun journey with you guys.

01:53:45.000 Thank you, Tim, again, for having me on.

01:53:47.000 Thank you, Harmeet, for running for chair.

01:53:50.000 Thank you for that.

01:53:52.000 That is so important that we clean that up.

01:53:55.000 Since I guess I get to have a pimping something of my own moment, I just published a book, y'all.

01:54:00.000 It's called The Marxification of Education.

01:54:02.000 Really good.

01:54:02.000 You should pick it up if you want to see how they stole our education from our kids and our society.

01:54:06.000 And I won't keep doing a commercial.

01:54:08.000 Thank you.

01:54:10.000 Well, you know, you guys have basically proven the concept that we can do this show live.

01:54:16.000 So this has been extremely epic.

01:54:18.000 Thank you.

01:54:21.000 I do.

01:54:23.000 Where can people find you, Ian?

01:54:24.000 You can find me online at Ian Crossland, but what about you, Luke?

01:54:27.000 Before we go, I just wanted to say war is murder.

01:54:30.000 Taxation is theft. 0.97

01:54:31.000 Police are gangs, and politicians are criminals.

01:54:33.000 Thank you guys so much for being here.

01:54:36.000 I disagreed with some of you guys, but at least we could have this honest conversation.

01:54:39.000 I really appreciate it.

01:54:40.000 You guys could find me on youtube.com forward slash we are change.

01:54:42.000 I've been an independent journalist for way too long.

01:54:45.000 If you like this Biden Fetterman 2024 shirt, which is probably a reality, you can get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.

01:54:53.000 And because you do, that's why I'm here.

01:54:54.000 Thank you again so much for having me.

01:54:56.000 Everybody who's watching online, thank you all so much for hanging out.

01:54:58.000 Stay tuned for the members only section at TimCast.com and we will see you all then.

01:55:07.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:55:08.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:55:12.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

01:55:16.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 15, 2023

Live Panel Extravaganza with Steve Bannon, James Lindsay, Tim Pool, and Harmeet Dhillon

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