Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, live from Stage in America Fest, my conversation with Steve Bannon, Tim Poole, and James Lindsay is insightful, deep, and compelling. And then halfway through the episode, Harmeet Dylan joins.
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, live from Stage in America Fest, my conversation with Steve Bannon, Tim Poole, and James Lindsay.
00:00:53.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:31.000But that is why guys like yourselves, this platform, Glenn Greenwald, Matt TB, listen, that used to be the leading edge of the First Amendment.
00:01:41.000And now we see this is so dark and unbelievable.
00:01:44.000The FBI has taken with the CIA, in the DHS, with those venture capital firms that they're very close to in Silicon Valley, plus the ones they've started up.
00:01:59.000I think, Steve, you said earlier that something changed when Kennedy got killed.
00:02:01.000And I think what happened was that the U.S., there was a revolution in the government to a military government that wanted to set up military bases all over Earth, make sure we circumvent World War III.
00:02:10.000They was in 1940s, basically, with the liberal economic order.
00:02:14.000And we're just now recently kind of...
00:02:18.000This is like ancient Rome when the Republic fell and the Empire came up.
00:02:22.000The elite legionnaires, because you couldn't take the legions into Rome itself, but they had a core of legionnaires called the Praetorian Guard.
00:02:29.000And the Praetorian Guard got into the business of selecting the emperors.
00:02:34.000The ones we like are going to be weak and weak in control.
00:03:07.000He was on my Wikipedia for a little while.
00:03:09.000So I have a question, though, about Elon buying Twitter.
00:03:12.000When Elon initially tried to back out, my theory was he gets in, some of the nitty-gritty and sees national security letters or some kind of government roadblock, something jamming up the system.
00:03:23.000And then he's like, okay, I can't buy this.
00:03:25.000But then, of course, they're like, no, you have to buy it now.
00:03:28.000I wonder if he saw signs before buying it that this is how bad it was.
00:03:38.000I mean, this is what we're talking about, right?
00:03:41.000So we tie together what Luke is saying, what Steve is saying.
00:03:44.000What's happening is that we are unleashing with the power of social media, with a power of communication.
00:03:49.000For us to be able to talk, to have these shows, we are unleashing a second flame of the enlightenment throughout the West.
00:03:55.000And these frauds know they're going to get deposed.
00:03:57.000They know they're going to get exposed.
00:03:58.000Know they're going to be seen, and they know they're going to be in all kinds of trouble for the crimes that they've been committing.
00:04:03.000So, Elon Musk steps into Twitter, wants to buy this thing, and all of a sudden they're like, uh-oh, we've been running a SIOP, an op, an op, a psyop, yeah, an active measure.
00:04:39.000They went after people who were making jokes because they know that's and that's Al Blazinski even talks about this when it comes to mock looing your enemy.
00:04:46.000But I want to add to Bannon's point really quick here because I believe that the U.S. intelligency had a coup d'état when they took out JFK.
00:04:59.000Some people think it was the libertarian ideas that sparked the revolution.
00:05:01.000No, it was too much government doing too many things, acting too crazy, acting like it was the emperor.
00:05:06.000That spurred a cultural revolution, which the intelligence agencies have been writing on the back of with promoting degeneracy, trying to destroy the family unit, a part of their larger depopulation agenda.
00:05:27.000Remember, the British Empire was just about to head to the top of its game with India and the British East India Company.
00:05:32.000Our founders said, We don't want to be a part of that.
00:05:35.000We don't want an oligarchy running us, and we don't want a landed aristocracy running us, and we're prepared to go to war and sacrifice our lives to do that, to fight that.
00:05:43.000That's what we have to do today, because that's what they've built, and that's what they're trying to protect.
00:05:47.000One problem I'm having is that the House of Representatives is sort of an oligarchy, unfortunately.
00:05:53.000And I wonder if we could build like a system of decentralized, you know, smart contracts where everyone could represent their unit, like all 700,000 of us from a district could vote yes or no on something.
00:07:16.000That's why I like smart contracts, because if we're voting for our, if we're representing ourselves, we don't have to rely on one guy to tell someone what 700,000 of us think.
00:08:44.000They say this because if they can't kill you, they can't lock you up and they can't take your property, then they can't control how you think and they can't control how you believe and they can't control how you worship God, and that's what it means to be a free human being.
00:08:58.000But they can control the food supply and the water sources, and we need to make sure that we have decentralized food and water as well, obviously.
00:09:05.000I mean, now we're getting into Kissinger.
00:09:16.000I am an agnostic is the fancy word of the day, but but let me say this, I I rail against secularism all the time, and James and I had this conversation yesterday and I think secularism is a threat to the West, but a much greater threat than not believing in god is believing you are god, and that is a much more dangerous threat.
00:09:36.000I will be partners with any atheist or agnostic, even though i'm an evangelical, bible believing Christian, to fight the people that believe they are god, because that is a much greater threat than not being sure if there is a god.
00:09:49.000Listen, that's the fight of the west, that's the, that's the drama of the entire West.
00:09:53.000There's these three competing reigns, the ring Realms.
00:09:58.000Then there's this people who get to believe that they, they think they know everybody, they're better everybody, better than everybody, they know everything.
00:10:04.000They have the Gnosis, the special knowledge, the secret knowledge, the revelation, the plan for the universe, and they get to enact it on us.
00:10:11.000We don't get to enact our will because we are stupid and don't know it.
00:10:15.000Those people are the enemy and everybody who knows that we're, not.
00:10:20.000Well, there's another, there's another layer to this that I wanted to bring up, because you know, if you guys don't believe in god, you have to understand the, the very powerful people in charge.
00:10:28.000There's a reason they go to the Behemian Grove.
00:10:30.000There's a reason they hang out with Uh Marina Brovermich and do spirit cooking.
00:10:33.000There's a reason they hang out with all these devil worshiper, satanists and they do horrible things on private islands that we can't even speak about on this show.
00:10:41.000So there is a spiritual war happening right now, whether you could deny it or not, but what's happening and it's here and religion is is a part of that war.
00:10:47.000Let's talk about young people, because what you're, what you're all basically saying, is main character syndrome, which I think we're seeing a lot of in millennials and some gen Z, where people think nothing outside of me matters.
00:10:57.000I also think, to a certain degree, we're seeing this in every generation and and and the way I see it manifest is when police officers go to say, say, there's a an all-ages drag event in Texas where they're explicitly, Explicitly engaging in things inappropriate for kids.
00:11:13.000I'm talking about what we just saw in San Antonio with simulated sodomy and things like that.
00:11:18.000There should be no question that the police would go in there and say, hey, you can't do this, but they're not willing to do it.
00:11:23.000And I think because even for these police officers, many who are probably in their 30s or a little older are like, I'm not getting involved.
00:11:50.000First, they're just dressing up in kind of somewhat, you know, careful dress with their clown makeup groomer clowns or whatever, reading stories.
00:11:58.000Next thing you know, Tim and I were talking about this yesterday.
00:12:00.000Next thing you know, they're dancing, they're grinding, they're sexual dancing, they're dwerking.
00:12:04.000The next thing you know, they're doing simulated sex acts in front of children.
00:12:07.000And every step of the way, this is what Tim was saying to me yesterday.
00:12:10.000So this is Tim's credit, gets the credit for this, is every step of the way, they're saying, no, no, no, no, it's just this.
00:12:56.000It's why we're the freest, greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:12:59.000Everything the deconstructionists are trying to do right now, from citizen and police officer to rule of law versus anarchy, is to destroy distinctions, especially when it comes to children.
00:13:10.000They do not believe that there should be any different treatment when it comes to children, sexually or biologically, medically.
00:14:05.000And that's how they move you increment by increment to the point now where we saw in, I think it was San Antonio, where they actually had exposed fake breasts in front of children.
00:14:15.000And then the craziest thing is there's a journalist on Twitter right now arguing with, I think, Taylor Hanson's name, saying, or is it Tyler?
00:14:22.000I don't know, Taylor, saying, it didn't happen.
00:14:25.000Despite the fact there's a dozen of them, now they're moving into denial.
00:14:29.000The craziest thing about this, and I want to give a shout out to Project Veritas, when they did and give Project Veritas money, I mean that because they're a nonprofit and they rely on everyone's support for doing this.
00:14:41.000When they put out this video from Chicago where the dean of students is talking about kink education for children in a score, Francis Parker School, I'm getting from the people I know on the left, they're saying, but Tim, it's just sex ed.
00:14:55.000Teaching children about reproduction when you think it's appropriate for them is very different from teaching them how to lube something for kink.
00:15:01.000That is something totally different, and that's what we're seeing with these all-ages drag shows.
00:15:05.000I mean, that's why I made those podcasts back in October, November last year.
00:15:36.000I talked to Tim early this year, the first time I went on the show this year with Tim, I was like, listen, political warfare is the most important concept you've never heard of.
00:15:42.000Unconventional warfare, political warfare, this mid-level violence provocation is so critical to understand because they're giving you a choice.
00:15:52.000And what you're going to do is you're going to give in, at which point they're going to enter into their generative themes, educational method into living queerly, strategic defiance.
00:15:59.000This is straight out of their literature that they say is the real goal of drag queen story.
00:16:04.000We're going to leave a trail of glitter that will never come out of the carpet.
00:16:06.000It's the last sentence in that paper, talking about your kids' brains.
00:16:10.000And then either you give into it and they get to do that, or you go too hard and you mess up and they make a video of you looking bad and then they start trying to smear you as an anti-groomer or as rising anti-LGBT hate.
00:16:23.000This is the thought terminating cliché.
00:18:55.000I know we're at the Tim Poole show with the great co-host, but this is a relatively conservative audience, and they're cheering to defund the FBI because they understand the FBI is the modern American Gestapo.
00:19:10.000Defund everything and the Parks Department.
00:19:14.000Anyway, I just wanted to add one more single point about because this latest trip by Elon Musk is also very telling with the optics, with him being seen with Jared Kushner, the guy who, of course, lobbied against Trump's very populist policies, the guy who, of course, advocated for the bombing of a sovereign country and got it done.
00:19:34.000So that kind of brings up to the point what Bannon was making here, that there is a possibility that there is some bigger money moves being made here.
00:19:42.000You said earlier, Steve, just a minute ago, that the administrative state controls the government, but I wonder where they get their money.
00:20:57.000They create, they call monetize the debt.
00:20:59.000That means it's on your, you are the full faith and credit of the United States.
00:21:03.000They create it, and the administrative state, they'll take all of it they can get.
00:21:07.000How do you think we got $31 trillion on the Treasury, $9 trillion on the Fed, another $30 trillion on Social Security and Medicaid, and another contingent liabilities of $100 trillion because the administrative state has a funding mechanism.
00:21:29.000If you want freedom from the founding of the country, from the founding of the country into the founding of the Federal Reserve, almost the entire 19th century was about populism in the fight over currency and the definition of money and who created it.
00:21:44.000And they stopped that because they realized the populist movement was starting to get traction with William Jennings Bryan and others.
00:21:50.000Right after Andrew Jackson and Lincoln being a nationalist, they said, we got to stop that.
00:21:55.000The way they stopped is the Federal Reserve.
00:21:57.000We have to take down the administrative state.
00:21:59.000We have to grab the Federal Reserve by the neck and choke it down.
00:22:03.000Right now, it's owned by, do you understand your currency's owned by 31 banks, 31 prime brokers own the Federal Reserve, create it and make money off it, and you live like a pauper?
00:22:37.000But let me just kind of hand it off to you in a second because I'd love your thoughts.
00:22:39.000The Occupy movement saw it correctly in one way and incorrectly in another way.
00:22:43.000Tea Party movement was happening almost simultaneously because there was a series of decisions that were made by Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner, Ben Bernanke all after the 08 crisis.
00:22:54.000Could have allowed the system to recorrect, not put in all this fake money, but they made a decision and they knew exactly what they were doing.
00:23:01.000Modern monetary theory, baby, $800 billion of stimulus, which used to be a lot of money, and we're going to engage in a decade-long sugar high, and the only way we're going to end is in a currency reset.
00:23:11.000Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Timothy Geithner, three former Goldman Sachs guys, by the way, knew exactly what was happening.
00:23:16.000Tea Party movement saw it through a conservative lens.
00:23:18.000Too big of government, cut the taxes, we don't like it.
00:23:21.000Occupy saw it through more of a left-wing lens.
00:23:23.000They were both seeing the same thing, said it differently.
00:23:25.000Trump was the only candidate to be able to capitalize it.
00:23:31.000So, how did I end up at Occupy Wall Street?
00:23:33.000I was on 4chan, and there was something called Operation Empire State Rebellion, which had nothing to do with left or right.
00:23:39.000It was hacktivists, and it was, I don't know, just random people on 4chan who were saying, like, hey, you know, we've got an issue with what's going on with the big bailouts.
00:24:28.000But people who have jobs, people who are conservative and libertarian, were like, I've got to leave and I've got to go home.
00:24:33.000And the only people who were able to stick around were Marxists, trust fund kids, well off.
00:24:39.000And so the left ended up taking everything over.
00:24:41.000Well, and so just to add on to this, though, so Trump and Bernie Sanders ran the same type of campaign simultaneously because they were both seeing the symptoms of this sugar-high money cycle of fewer and fewer people getting really rich.
00:24:54.000Bernie came at it from an outright Marxist view.
00:24:56.000Trump came at it from a populist nationalist view.
00:24:59.000And Bernie Sanders should have really been the nominee in 2016, but Hillary Clinton rigged the game.
00:25:03.000Trump became the nominee and obviously won in a shocking fashion.
00:25:06.000What we are now living through 14 years later is the economic catastrophe of Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson.
00:25:14.000But here's the thing, and this is why James Lindsay's work is so incredible.
00:25:18.000These corporations think they are immune to criticism and revolution because they have wokeness as a shield.
00:25:32.000Wokeism is the only thing they have left protecting them from hundreds of millions of people realizing that they're robber barons against the civilization.
00:25:41.000The first time I encountered the wokeness, whatever, Occupy Wall Street.
00:25:46.000Initially, you know, I'm down there, and I'm sure Luke has similar experiences.
00:25:50.000There's a lot of people who are just economic populists.
00:25:52.000They say, I don't know, the two parties are bad, whatever.
00:25:55.000But then all of a sudden, these organizers started gaining more and more traction who believed in the progressive stack and white men are evil.
00:26:02.000There's a good comic that embodies this.
00:26:05.000And it's a rich guy in a big chair with protesters outside saying, we are the 99%.
00:26:09.000And he's on the phone saying, introduce them to identity politics.
00:26:11.000All of a sudden, wokeness started taking over.
00:26:14.000And then from there, I started seeing it get bigger and bigger.
00:26:17.000And you know what, for me, I didn't think much of it other than these people are weirdos, despite the fact that I remember one night there was a young black guy who was watching all of this happen.
00:26:27.000And I overheard him say, y'all are crazy.
00:26:45.000And then over a period of time, there was the upper class and the lower class divided by two different areas of the park where they were fighting and segregated from County Park.
00:26:52.000And I truly do believe, I truly do believe that there was a larger hijacking of this movement because when it began, there was people doing weekly, even sometimes in the beginning, daily walks and protests at the Federal Reserve down in New York City, down on Wall Street.
00:27:06.000They came down there and they were like, hey guys, this is not just about left or right.
00:27:10.000This is about the big banks, the banks that are screwing us over, the banks that are robbing us of our wealth, robbing us of any potential future.
00:27:16.000This is the creature from Jekyll Island that came in and is dominating and destroying our society because what else could you say that they did during 2008 other than a blind robbery of the American people?
00:27:26.000I went up to Ben Bernanke and I asked him, how does it feel organizing one of the largest bailouts in recorded human history for all your banker buddies, giving them trillions of dollars?
00:27:35.000The SOB tried to grab my microphone and rip it away from me and he didn't say a word.
00:27:39.000Then I asked him about the Bilderberg group.
00:27:41.000He didn't want to talk about that either.
00:28:18.000And what they learned, when Charlie brought up wokeness a minute ago and gave me a very kind compliment, what you also don't realize is the reason I do what I do is because of the progressive stack, as it turns out, it's a little bit funny.
00:29:02.000And I'm writing this paper, and we say what we need to do is put a progressive stack in all the classrooms.
00:29:07.000What we got to do is we got to take all the kids and the college students, if they're adults, and if they have, we're going to do the progressive stack walk or the privilege walk.
00:29:14.000We're going to find out what their privilege is.
00:29:15.000We're going to chain them to the floor if they have too much privilege.
00:29:17.000We're going to make sure that they suffer, that they're abused, that they're put into the learning environment of discomfort to overcome their privilege.
00:29:23.000And then we said, but we're going to do it compassionately because we're writing funny hoax papers that they didn't think they would accept.
00:29:28.000And the peer reviewers reviewed this paper.
00:29:49.000And I was like, holy crap, this is where, I mean, this isn't just crazy.
00:29:53.000This is a genocide in the making down the road.
00:29:56.000If you are saying that you're going to abuse people out of their privilege, score them by their abuse them out of their privilege, and you must use discomfort and no compassion once you've You've been identified as privileged.
00:30:15.000Because wokeness is the sword and the shield that they have that allows them to protect.
00:30:19.000It's the last thing they have that allows them to keep this criminal front going.
00:30:23.000I want to bring up one point to what Charlie said, because I'm very happy you brought up Occupy Wall Street because Occupy Wall Street, I do believe, scared the establishment.
00:30:31.000I do believe the movement was hijacked, but that's one thing that changed.
00:30:34.000Another thing that changed was the way that the corporate media had their conversations.
00:30:38.000And we saw a very big rise with organizations like the New York Times start implementing a lot of their woke policies right after Occupy Wall Street.
00:30:46.000Because what better way to divide and conquer a population that, of course, have them infighting against each other so they don't truly see the true source of their problems.
00:31:27.000Well, so my question for you, James, I guess, is: if this is their sword and their shield, does it end by just collapsing in front of them?
00:31:34.000Or does it, what is what does it become?
00:31:36.000Is there a way that the establishment successfully wields this to their advantage in the end?
00:31:40.000Well, I think wokeness is actually now turning to their disadvantage.
00:31:47.000I told some of my friends and colleagues back in 2019 that if they ever went full into the queer theory, so unleash the drag queens, that they had shot themselves in the head.
00:31:55.000And it's only a matter of time until the thing falls over.
00:31:57.000People aren't going to put up with that for very long.
00:32:00.000And it doesn't mean that you have to go do something, you know, something crazy.
00:32:03.000That's not what I mean by saying that people aren't going to put up with it.
00:32:26.000That's why Steve's always pointing to you and saying that you're the solution, that you're the answer, that you are, what's your word for it, Steve?
00:32:34.000You always call them the thought Praetorian guard that's wrong.
00:32:41.000No, it's look, their biggest fear right now is that you come to conferences like this, you get smarter, and not just that, it's applied knowledge.
00:32:49.000The reason they're trying to take out everybody and de-platform everybody and stop it all and take, you know, go after Tucker and go after everybody is because they fear you.
00:33:06.000The only way to defeat it is a populist uprising, and that is you.
00:33:10.000So, one of the ways I think that it's going to be exploited is economic Marxists on the left, when they start to realize the people they were indoctrinated to hate are actually running the political party that they're affiliated with.
00:33:27.000When that is exploited, all of a sudden there will be a massive schism on the American left.
00:33:33.000Wokeism and people that are legitimate Bolsheviks that believe in the economics of Marxism but are not as enthused on the race Marxist stuff, that is going to be a schism because the vast majority of Americans see that it's harder than ever to buy a home, that consumer debt is increasing, that your money is becoming worthless.
00:33:51.000Those messages are going to resonate like wildfire in the coming months, the coming years, especially as now I think we're going to hit a mass unemployment cycle.
00:33:59.000What's less and less popular is hearing about privilege walks or hearing about pan-trans awareness day or drag queen story hour?
00:34:07.000Again, wokeism is a smokescreen grenade.
00:34:12.000It's a shock bang grenade to try to say, I don't know what direction things are.
00:34:15.000As soon as the economics of this will hit everybody's pocket in the coming months, that's why they're so afraid.
00:34:21.000They're afraid that the woke ideas are becoming largely unpopular and that the economic reality that's about to set in is going to unite almost everybody on the right, on the left, to point at the Uniparty and say, you've been stealing from us for the last couple decades.
00:35:12.000It's really not going to be good for them.
00:35:14.000What will happen, though, is that most of the people that are supporting it, most of the people that are putting their black square on their profile or whatever, aren't that committed.
00:35:22.000They're not actually fully bought into the cult.
00:35:25.000And when things start to shake, they're going to start to see that this isn't what they thought it was.
00:35:30.000And a lot of them will start to come back to reality.
00:35:32.000When you break the active measure, when you break the psyop, when you turn off the television, people's brains start to readjust to the reality in front of them.
00:35:41.000And this starts to happen when reality shocks them back.
00:35:43.000Most of them, and enough for the key word I said earlier, is a critical mass of people.
00:35:48.000That's where you're going to get this uprising Steve's talking about.
00:35:51.000When you have a critical mass of people who say, nope, no more, then it's going to be, everything's going to start to change and it's going to change very quickly.
00:35:58.000We have to keep pressing to get to that point.
00:36:00.000We have to keep making it more clear with the see-through the smoke grenade, the flashbang.
00:36:22.000And just a few days ago, I'm trying to make a bigger statement here because just a few days ago, we finally got the receipts that it was the intelligence agencies that were pretty much controlling big tech social media.
00:36:33.000I think this was happening for a very long time.
00:36:35.000And when you're able to shape social media, you're able to shape the minds of the people.
00:36:40.000And this is why since the onset of Barack Obama, I was like, this is the beginning of a larger divide and conquer agenda.
00:36:45.000We saw the destruction of Occupy Wall Street.
00:36:48.000We've seen the rhetoric change on, of course, the mainstream media.
00:36:51.000But on social media, it was left versus right, black versus white, old versus old, old versus young, male versus female.
00:36:58.000We saw this weaponized in echo chambers.
00:37:00.000We saw this weaponized with algorithms.
00:37:02.000And I do believe that intelligence agencies had a play on this, engineering this larger conflict where we are right now, talking about pronouns and genders rather than, holy crap, there's not going to be enough money to pay for heat or food soon.
00:37:14.000So that's an issue that I think really needs to be honed in on.
00:37:17.000The open secret in Silicon Valley is these social media companies are almost impossible to make profitable because of the server costs and the staff costs.
00:37:25.000So the question that needs to be answered is, did the intelligence agencies enter during the venture round of Facebook?
00:37:32.000Especially with QINTEL, especially with a lot of the other organizations that invested a lot of the money there, especially when it came to Alphabet and Google getting all those contracts, getting all those lucrative deals, getting all those tax incentives.
00:38:12.000You got to count all the federal government capital because they'll bundle those together.
00:38:15.000That's hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:38:17.000But so here's the point I wanted to make.
00:38:19.000The other day, it was Elon who responded to Ian Miles Chong, who said, in order for Twitter to be profitable, it has to become a platform for creators of video and writing.
00:39:54.000The universities today are virtually underwritten by the U.S. government and federal funds.
00:40:00.000Almost all of that is tied back to some sort of national security state.
00:40:03.000So the engineers themselves, the engineering, it's all been underwritten.
00:40:07.000When these things first start, the venture capital companies that put it in the hedge fund companies, most of these have strong relationships to the federal government in the national security state.
00:40:18.000This is all one piece of a whole cloth.
00:40:23.000And then you talk about the contracts and how the revenue goes and all that.
00:40:26.000It all comes through either the biomedical security state or the national security medical state, which we've kind of seen the convergence of during the CCP COVID-19 virus, right?
00:41:53.000They're the new weapons labs of Sandia and Lawrence Livermore, right?
00:41:58.000The old nuclear power weapons labs, the new weapons labs are social media weapons created by these universities in conjunction with the national security in the biomedical security state.
00:42:10.000So we saw that video from Project Veritas a while back.
00:42:13.000This employee saying, I work, what, four hours a week?
00:42:18.000We see Elon Musk come in and he's like, these people are doing nothing and they're getting paid all this money.
00:42:22.000And I think about that and I think about this old thing that I read where the reason why there's so many people named Smith is because when wars were breaking out, the blacksmiths were spared the war.
00:42:34.000And if they were captured, they'd be spared because they can make weapons.
00:42:36.000The people who made the weapons were extremely valuable and the kings and the rulers would keep them comfortable so they could keep producing powerful tools for them.
00:42:44.000And then you look at these big tech companies completely overpaid with money.
00:42:57.000Why are we making social media weapons?
00:42:59.000Turns out, this thing Charlie was talking about a minute ago, my favorite paper criticizing what's called social emotional learning, which is this whole brainwashing program the left is replacing education with.
00:43:08.000That's a can of worms we don't have to get into right now.
00:43:10.000But there's this paper that criticizes it from the left.
00:43:12.000It's my favorite paper that criticizes SEL is a paper written from an old school critical Marxist.
00:43:19.000And so what he writes is that the purpose of this kind of narrative control, he calls the paper psycho data.
00:43:26.000And what you are most valuable, what's most valuable about you to this regime is your data.
00:43:44.000They can nudge you with what they call nudge theory.
00:43:46.000How you're supposed to think, how you're supposed to feel.
00:43:48.000The goal of this entire operation with social media is to create the environment in which they can do this psychological pushing, nudging of you into different kinds of decision trees that you might not have taken otherwise so they can control you.
00:44:00.000And this guy, Ben Williamson, he's a leftist, writes this paper saying this social emotional learning program in schools, this is what this is for.
00:44:06.000It's to gather massive amounts of data.
00:44:09.000It's to use this data to control people, to make them perfectly predictable economic consumers, perfectly controllable political subjects, and to control everybody basically completely all the time at the level of what he calls a psychocracy, a government through their psychology.
00:44:25.000So they think they're thinking for themselves, but they're thinking what the algorithm taught them to think.
00:44:30.000And you therefore don't even have freedom of thought.
00:44:54.000The World Bank is at the dead center of all of it.
00:44:57.000All of the players we're always talking about are the people that are behind this huge push, whether it's through social emotional learning in the schools, whether it's through the algorithms of government by algorithm through the social media.
00:45:06.000And this is, again, we come back to Elon.
00:45:08.000All of a sudden, he's going to, he's just this dude.
00:45:12.000Rocket Man is going to kicks Elon, or he kicks Elton John off of Twitter or whatever.
00:45:16.000Rocket Man comes in, and he's going to go build new algorithms that are fun, and he has jokes, and he wants memes, and he's going to build these algorithms that are not under their control, and they freak out.
00:45:24.000But we had a, I think it was Phil Abanti who was on the show, and he made a good point.
00:45:28.000He said, with Neuralink, there is going to be a chip in your brain that gives you the tiniest dopamine hit that you don't even realize when you're nudged just in the right direction.
00:45:38.000So you're a regular person living a normal life.
00:45:41.000They're not going to come out and say, get rid of all your stuff.
00:46:25.000Or she's traveling on a nomadic lifestyle.
00:46:28.000Yeah, when people think of retiring, they think of they had a family, they have a house, they have a front yard, or something at least to that effect.
00:46:35.000It's about social engineering so people accept their slavery because throughout human history, there always was some kind of despot or psychopath trying to take over the world.
00:46:43.000And I think the really smart ones realized, hey, it takes a lot of time and effort to kill a lot of people.
00:46:49.000And I think in our modern society, what better way to take over society than, of course, have people enslave themselves?
00:46:54.000And I think that's exactly what's happening right now.
00:46:56.000And I think bullets have been replaced with tweets.
00:48:42.000I was just going to say it's amazing news that 50 million people didn't take the mRNA gene altering shot.
00:48:47.000I mean, that goes to show there is a lot more love of freedom out there and liberty despite the force, the incentives, the subsidies, the propaganda, the nudging, the Hollywood celebrities, the non-stop propaganda campaign.
00:49:00.000It was nothing but difficult to not take that shot.
00:49:04.000I mean, you had to go out of your way.
00:49:06.000You had to make an intentional decision.
00:49:07.000And still, 50 million people made a decision that this was not for me.
00:49:12.000Raise your hand if you didn't take the shot.
00:50:39.000You men and women, particularly young men and women, stood up and refused to have that with all the pressure, all the society pressure, all the corporate pressure.
00:52:26.000And at the end of the day, there's a portion of people that will sit there in the cussedness and grit of the American experience and say, no, we're not going to do that.
00:53:02.0002023 are going to be massive fights on the biomedical security state, on the economy, on debt, on are you prepared?
00:53:13.000Remember, it's not that they have to have you accept slavery.
00:53:17.000They have to have you continue to vote and want slavery, right?
00:53:21.000That's what 2023 is going to be about.
00:53:23.000We've beaten them and the one thing they wanted to do was the biomedical security state.
00:53:27.000And yes, if we didn't have the internet and most people curious, the curiosity of people to get to hard things like finding your show, finding a turning point USA, when we were broomed from everywhere, finding you when you're off Twitter, people found that information and they acted upon that information.
00:54:35.000And still, they had to go to their room and they said, 50 million people are not going to listen to us even if we force them, kick them out of jail, or pay them.
00:55:26.000But I'm seeing these leftists pull into parking lots at 7-Eleven, have a guy reach in their car, and they were bragging about it.
00:55:32.000They told me I was wrong when I said, no, no, just talk to a doctor.
00:55:35.000Don't go to a parking lot at a 7-Eleven.
00:55:37.000And this guy actually said, I just stuck my arm out the window and he injected me.
00:55:41.000And I said, shouldn't you have a doctor tell you this stuff?
00:55:45.000But it's the craziest thing to me that like the whole thing about Joe Rogan is that Joe Rogan's saying, go find a doctor who's going to prescribe this.
00:55:51.000And they say Joe Rogan's giving medical misinformation.
00:56:45.000And truly, they tried to take away their banks.
00:56:47.000They tried to take away their livelihoods.
00:56:48.000They tried to take away their salaries.
00:56:50.000They tried to take everything away from these individuals, and they still stood up and made the right decisions, not just for themselves, but for everyone else who knew that they were not alone in this bigger fight of consent that the government wanted you to bend the knee down for.
00:57:03.000Allow me to be a bit of a milquetoast fenceitter here and say, my concern is not whether or not necessarily, well, let me phrase it this way.
00:57:13.000I don't want to conflate government overreach with advice from a doctor necessarily.
00:57:18.000Certainly there are circumstances where we can look at the corporate press and they're all brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer, and we have to ask questions about whether or not we're getting real, real advice or if the media is just saying we don't want to piss off our advertisers.
00:57:30.000But I think there's a distinction to be made between what really bothers me is when you're forced to do something with ridiculous mandates, unconstitutional mandates, when they threaten to shut down your churches, when they threaten to take away your food, or when they try and entice you with krispy creams.
00:57:44.000I just want to make that distinction, I guess.
00:57:46.000I just all agree in the sense of if the vaccine was so great and their ideas were so great, then why did it have to be mandatory?
00:57:52.000It would have just been this amazing thing that everyone would be talking about.
00:57:55.000You know, that sounds like anarchist talk there.
00:57:57.000That sounds like a lot like voluntarianism.
00:58:39.000No, no, you know, I want to ask you guys a moral and ethical question because I've been kind of harping on this for a little bit.
00:58:44.000And I guess I'll ask everybody in the audience too, because I'm curious your thoughts.
00:58:47.000If there was a kid who had, let's say, bacterial meningitis and the doctor prescribed antibiotic, and the parents both came and said, we don't believe in this, you know, this weird science mumbo jumbo, so we're not going to give this to our kid.
00:59:01.000Should the government intervene and say we're giving the antibiotic to the kid to save its life?
00:59:09.000But I would say that I would say no because in the simple sense of that question is, do you believe the government should mandate medication for you?
00:59:16.000And the answer for me to that is always hell no, because the government will use and abuse that power in order to hurt people, in order to screw them over, in order to make them the guinea pigs of this larger medical mRNA experiment.
00:59:27.000And if the government was able to give that child that medication, they could give them a shot.
00:59:30.000They could give them whatever the hell else they want.
00:59:34.000My point is the moral lines that we draw as a society, as a culture, in that when you look at something like it's a new medication, it's only been out for a couple years, if that, and the government tries forcing it on people, everybody says no.
00:59:47.000But when you look at something as simple as an antibiotic for a bacterial infection, a lot of people are going to say yes.
00:59:52.000I know a lot of people here said no, and that's fine.
00:59:54.000It's never that simple with government.
00:59:56.000Because again, the gene pool will figure itself out.
00:59:58.000Like, people want to make some mistakes, they'll make some mistakes.
01:00:00.000But when you give the government that power and authority to inject something into your body, they will take that and they will abuse it to the fullest extent.
01:00:09.000They did it with the Testigi experiments.
01:00:11.000They did it with the CIA, dosing people with acid.
01:00:14.000They did it in so many different ways when it came to poisoning people, screwing them over, all in the name of science, doing what's best for everyone else, led to genocides and atrocities that the human mind can't even fathom right now.
01:00:28.000I mean, I'm genuinely going to say that this is a complicated issue, but it goes back to the point I made earlier about the mid-level violence.
01:00:43.000Like we're talking about, should we be allowed to, you know, because somebody has a bacterial infection, do we take an antibiotic or whatever?
01:00:48.000Could we have an expert panel of doctors or whatever?
01:00:51.000Could we have an expert panel of doctors and say, wait a minute, this was a completely reasonable thing, and therefore the state can mandate.
01:00:56.000These are questions that healthy, normal societies that don't have parasitical, evil-intented regimes running the thing, which is what he's warning us about.
01:01:03.000It will almost always become the case if we're not very, very, and one last point, really quick.
01:01:09.000Look what Big Pharma did within the last few years.
01:01:27.000These are evil sociopathic son of a bitches that don't give a damn about you, never gave a damn about you, and we should never concede and give them anything ever.
01:03:34.000And so the issue is it's culture, not law.
01:03:37.000The law can say a lot of things, but if you have a group of people who don't believe in morals and ethics, none of it matters.
01:03:42.000The police aren't going to these drag queens, these drag, these simulated sodomy shows like they're doing now in San Antonio, and they're not stopping it because there's no cohesive culture.
01:09:39.000Which is rational speech, which is God made in the image of God.
01:09:43.000And Jesus coming down in human form was he took the broken form that we became after original sin, because he loved us so much to minister alongside of us, to show miracles, to then eventually die a death he did not deserve, to defeat death, so then he could be raised from the dead and we can have eternal life.
01:10:02.000Now, the point is this: when we worship Jesus, we're not worshiping man.
01:10:06.000We're worshiping God that temporarily became man, lived a perfect life, and then gives us eternal life through what he did for us, something we did not earn nor that we deserve.
01:10:17.000I'm concerned that a centralized authority wrote the storybook that tells us that he said he was God, because I never met him.
01:10:24.000No, that's fair, but it's not a centralized authority because we have four different accounts, right, from four different people, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, right?
01:10:32.000And so what's interesting is they actually reinforce one another and never contradict each other.
01:10:37.000The most interesting is actually Luke, because Luke continues his gospel in the book of Acts.
01:10:41.000And so Luke is writing it to his benefactor, Theophilus, lover of God, who paid for him to actually go throughout the Middle East and saw it himself.
01:11:37.000And the reason that I'm a Republican volunteer and activist, and I'm sure many of you are in this room as well, is because I love this country.
01:11:43.000I came here as an immigrant when I was two years old.
01:11:45.000My parents registered as Republicans when they were naturalized.
01:11:50.000And, you know, my whole life I fought for these values.
01:11:52.000But I'm afraid that we have a lot of Republicans in positions of power today, including elected officials, including certainly some of my fellow Republican activists, who are in it for the wrong reasons, who are in it for ego, who are in it for self-gratification, who are happy to be the controlled, failed opposition.
01:12:58.000The second thing I would do besides personnel, I would do something like an Elon Musk style, come in and say, look, are you hardcore about electing Republicans?
01:13:13.000And if you're not, here's your two week severance check and don't let the door hit you, okay?
01:13:20.000I would immediately initiate a top-to-bottom audit of all consulting and vendor contracts at the RNC.
01:13:27.000Because from what I've seen, there is a tremendous amount of back scratching, fat, waste, self-dealing, and generally stuff that doesn't get Republicans elected.
01:13:39.000So, with those two things, that's off to a good start.
01:14:06.000So this is so important because what you have to understand is when the left makes its moves, you're like, oh, the left, the left, the left.
01:14:10.000When the left makes its moves, it's making, again, I keep saying this word, a provocation.
01:14:15.000When that becomes real is when the conservatives are like, okay, we accept.
01:14:20.000We reify the thing that you just wanted to do.
01:14:22.000So, you know, they pass some horrific policy.
01:14:24.000And when conservatives are like, okay, that's just how it is now, they change what it means to have an election.
01:14:29.000And the conservatives say, that's just how it is now.
01:14:33.000That's when we've actually given away a piece of our country.
01:14:36.000So having somebody that's going to get in there and try to stand up and clean this mess up, this controlled opposition, hell, half of them are probably active participants, not controlled opposition.
01:15:12.000And this is why I'm so enthusiastic about Harmeet and why I'm enthusiastic for anyone that's going to challenge the RNC, Mike Lindell included, right?
01:15:19.000And which is this: that when you lose, you should not be rewarded.
01:16:52.000So that shrieking sound you hear from the building at the RNC is a lot of consultants and staff there jumping to the defense of the chair.
01:17:02.000And I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt.
01:17:04.000She probably knew about some of these things and thought, okay, this is business as usual.
01:17:08.000That's part of the defense is, hey, everybody does it.
01:17:11.000And then part of it is done by her staff, including some of these consultants who are making themselves rich off of donor money, big dollar and small dollar donor money.
01:17:21.000But if you're so tone deaf that you don't realize that $700,000 worth of flowers over a six-year period showing up on your FEC report when the Democrats spent $1,000 during that time is problematic and you're defending that, you are totally out of touch, okay?
01:17:39.000And blaming Trump, which is another line of attack that happened out of the RNC, they said, well, when the president is of your party, you pay for all the mementos, you pay for the Easter egg hunt, you pay for the Christmas parties.
01:17:50.000Actually, that's a separate line item.
01:17:52.000That's another $5 million that we haven't even talked about.
01:17:55.000$5 million of parties and White House stuff.
01:17:58.000But $500,000 or $300,000 worth of the jet expenses happened after Trump left office.
01:18:05.000So how are you blaming Trump for that?
01:18:07.000A lot of the flowers, a lot of the limos, $300,000 worth of the donor mementos came after Trump left office.
01:18:27.000In terms of winning these elections, how do you convince this guy to vote for a Republican?
01:18:32.000And I have a question for you to add to this, because Trump was just brought up.
01:18:36.000Today he also officially endorsed Kevin McCarty as the head of the GOP, another career politician, which, as you can see from the, yeah, keep going.
01:18:52.000What's your reaction to this kind of latest news item?
01:18:55.000Well, I'm going to say something, which is that if we had done our job at the RNC and also the leadership of the other two committees and Republicans had a large majority in the House, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
01:19:09.000We wouldn't be having this really awkward conversation about a five-member margin, the Freedom Caucus, some of them not being happy, and this even being a conversation.
01:19:20.000We might have been able to freely elect somebody who was popular with all of the members, but because of this odd situation that if they don't go that way, a Democrat might win, I think that is sort of the only choice that Republicans have right now.
01:19:34.000Kevin McCarthy is better than a Democrat.
01:19:37.000And so he's from my state, so I have to be a little diplomatic.
01:20:53.000This is why I kind of actually question one of your premises, Hamit.
01:20:56.000And the premise that I'm questioning is that a Republican who sucks is better than a Democrat who you see as it's an obvious enemy.
01:21:06.000And so at this point, it's like, I don't, and I'm not saying that I have an opinion on this, but I'm actually more worried about the Republican who poses as somebody who's going to do the right thing and then flops it every single time than I am about the Democrat who we We know they're going to do all you know.
01:21:46.000You know, from a little bit of the earlier conversation.
01:21:50.000Look, people on the right call me a liberal, people on the left call me conservative or far right.
01:21:55.000And for someone like me, probably Ian and Luke, we're not as easy to convince to vote, especially when we see constantly McConnell or McCarthy or whatever.
01:22:05.000So I understand you don't want to lose.
01:22:06.000Me, I'm more amicable to, okay, I get it.
01:22:12.000But winning over more individuals like us to come to this side is going to be very difficult if we just keep saying the same thing over and over again.
01:22:18.000And look, I mean, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.
01:22:49.000Honestly, some of the members, by the way, many of the members I've spoken to, I got to call each of them, have hour-long conversations, which is wonderful.
01:22:57.000A lot of them are saying, Harmee, and one of the things they're upset about is that organically, thousands of Americans began contacting them from their own state saying, we'd like change.
01:24:07.000It's establishment or anti-establishment.
01:24:09.000And there's a huge portion of this country that doesn't vote, doesn't participate.
01:24:13.000And if you could get those people, because those people are the anti-establishment, those people are sick of the two-party duopoly.
01:24:19.000They're sick of being told lies every election cycle, only to be let down, only to be promised a bag of goods that gets taken away when they get out of that voting box.
01:24:27.000How do you get the American people to care that are anti-establishment?
01:24:30.000That's a question that I would love to hear from you guys.
01:24:32.000Well, one thing I would say is that I will say that something I've been saying on the campaign trail for the last two weeks and for years actually is that our party is not the party of the Chamber of Commerce anymore and the warmongers.
01:24:47.000That was the party when I was young, Cold War era, neocons everywhere running the party.
01:24:53.000But the people who run the party, some of the members of the 168 have actually been there since that era, and they haven't noticed that the voters have changed.
01:25:01.000They haven't noticed that the Trump populism has brought a whole new wave of people into the party.
01:25:06.000Unless we work to retain those by messages and messengers who believe that, who act that, who tell them that we want them, we are going to continue to lose elections.
01:27:12.000So first, it's kind of similar to the College of the Cardinals, but it's a secret ballot, which is upsetting to me, but it's also really exciting to me personally.
01:27:21.000It's upsetting because I want to be able to know who to hold accountable.
01:27:25.000But I think a lot of people are going to flip on Rana and vote for Harmeet since it's a secret ballot.
01:27:31.000So I think it's actually, I think, a better thing in some sense.
01:27:34.000But number two, to answer the question of how do you win over me?
01:28:39.000Something that bothers me, you mentioned insanity earlier, Harmee, doing the same thing over and over again, is that recently we've been using digital voting machines and they're touting the votes in secret with proprietary code.
01:28:55.000And I'd like to see a backup of the voting on a blockchain so that we can verify our votes without having to rely on a company telling us what our votes are.
01:29:49.000After the Democrats didn't do well in the 2004 election, they all had a meeting of their Illuminati.
01:29:54.000Okay, they sat around a table and they're just okay, Bob, Chuck, Jim, Sue, each of you is going to give hundreds of thousands of dollars for the following 200 nonprofits, nonprofits, okay?
01:30:04.000And then we're going to use that to control America's elections.
01:30:07.000And it took them a while, but they control America's elections now for the most part.
01:30:11.000And Republicans are like, oh, oops, isn't that unfortunate?
01:30:40.000The way that we change the voting laws in each of the states is, we have to do it state by state, is win elections, win the legislature, and win the governor's race.
01:32:08.000Essentially, a lot of activists, you might say left-wing activists, are concerned with carbon in the air.
01:32:12.000You can withdraw the carbon from the air and turn it into graphene.
01:32:15.000So we can set up an industry where we're healing the earth and building the new material that will be used in the 21st century as the most epic building material.
01:32:22.000You should tell Kevin McCarthy about that.
01:32:26.000Let's broaden that and say when they talk about climate change and they try and use that as a message for elections, the simple answer is technology will solve all these problems if we advocate for it, be it graphene or something.
01:32:35.000It will solve this problem, but then create a new one where we start to take so much carbon out that the trees are suffering and we'll need to balance that out with countries across the world and create like a global initiative.
01:32:44.000Sometimes I think he just says graphene to get a rise out of people.
01:33:44.000I mean, that's how you have a Federman.
01:33:47.000You know, that's how you have a Caden Hobbes.
01:33:49.000Absolutely empty vessels, but it doesn't matter because their machine will elect whoever has a D behind their name.
01:33:54.000Now, on our side, we're asking people to elect the same leadership again and again at the RNC, the Senate, the House, and expect that things will be different.
01:34:49.000Yeah, but again, if you move people out of D.C., including government agencies, people will not find it so attractive to hang on to those jobs because in the real world, those are not very attractive jobs.
01:35:07.000So if people lived in America and they were like, hey, Bob looks happy across the street, and Bob has a job at, you know, whatever, a factory doing something useful, there's just more mixing it up in the real world.
01:35:17.000Where would you move it to when you go out of D.C.?
01:35:19.000Well, I wouldn't move it to a particular place, but we have all these swing states where we need to win them.
01:35:51.000I haven't even visited them, but the offices are running beautifully because we have telephones, we have Zoom, we have ways to communicate with each other.
01:35:59.000We don't all need to be sitting in some decrepit edifice in D.C.
01:37:10.000I've been a First Amendment lawyer for almost my entire career now, almost 30 years.
01:37:14.000And it first came to my attention what was going on.
01:37:17.000I mean, to be honest with him, the first time I got on Facebook, I ran for a state assembly and a young staffer told me to get on there and it became fun.
01:37:23.000I got on Twitter when I became more active in the state party in California.
01:37:27.000But then what I learned about the case of James DeMoore, James DeMoore, young software programmer at Google, I didn't know him, but he got fired for saying the shocking truth that maybe we should be considering in diversity.
01:37:41.000We should be talking about diversity of ideas as well.
01:37:46.000And so his friends tried to find a conservative lawyer in California, in San Francisco Bay Area, who has expertise in employment law.
01:37:55.000And that was a sort of Venn diagram of one.
01:37:57.000And so I took his case, and we really made that cause celeb.
01:38:01.000We exposed what was going on inside Google.
01:38:03.000And I can't discuss the details, but the case had a positive ending.
01:38:07.000And so as a result of that, I really began to look at some of these things.
01:38:10.000Then we get into Communications Decency Act, Section 230, social media censorship.
01:38:14.000I represented a prominent Canadian feminist named Megan Murphy.
01:38:18.000Megan Murphy was critical of a transgender activist, Jessica Yanov, in Vancouver, who hadn't transitioned medically, but was going to immigrant women's homes and asking them to wax this person's genitals.
01:38:35.000You know, and these women wouldn't want to do it, and then he would file civil rights lawsuits against them for violating their rights.
01:38:40.000And Megan Murphy was banned initially for saying men aren't women, though.
01:38:53.000But the Twitter Illuminati, if you will, simply retroactively changed the law that changed the terms of service and bounced her permanently.
01:39:03.000And so I sued over that case, went to the state court and the Court of Appeals, and the court said, sorry, Communications Decency Act, Section 230 means their terms of service don't matter.
01:40:03.000Wikipedia is a joke, by the way, if anybody here cites them or thinks of relying on them.
01:40:09.000I want to give a special shout out to our friends in the corporate press who created their own Wikipedia entry called Thursday Night Massacre because a small handful were suspended temporarily on Twitter.
01:40:44.000We had all the branches of government.
01:40:45.000And then we have Republican congressmen who love to pound the table and point fingers at the executives at these social media companies and then go to a reception at K Street and pick up checks from them.
01:40:58.000That's the uniparty that people are talking about.
01:41:01.000Until we have elected officials who are willing to stand up and say there needs to be a social media user's bill of rights that gives us a private right of action, that Communications Decency Act, 1996 law, way before any of these social media companies, needs to be edited to make clear that it does not exempt these companies from normal laws that govern corporations.
01:41:21.000You mentioned earlier when you were saying Twitter, I agree with you.
01:41:23.000Also, check out the Manila principles because they've got six great principles that are on a path for a law, internet law.
01:41:29.000But what you were saying when Megan Murphy was dealing with getting banned, Twitter changed the law after the fact.
01:41:32.000Then you corrected yourself and said the terms of service meant I do kind of see it as a law.
01:42:21.000I am certainly the only member of the Republican National Committee who, when the Patriot Act was passed, joined the board of the American Civil Liberties Union in order to try to repeal it.
01:42:33.000And it's held against me, believe me, every time I run for any office, it's part of Rana's oppo that she's dumping on me.
01:42:41.000I'm proud of the fact that back in the day, I saw that the government having this kind of power in the name of national security was rapidly going to be wielded against Americans.
01:42:53.000And there was only one member of Congress who voted against it.
01:43:00.000But those of us who were paying attention on both sides of the aisle, there were Republicans back then still supporting the ACLU, not today, and including not me, for many years.
01:43:09.000But exactly what I was worried about 21 years ago has come to pass.
01:43:14.000And it came to pass years ago and we didn't know about it.
01:43:17.000And so we should wake up and smell the coffee.
01:43:20.000The government should never have that kind of control to be able to read our emails, read our chats, treat all of us as guilty until proven innocent.
01:43:27.000That is anathema to the Constitution itself.
01:43:30.000But what if we got rid of the Patriot Act?
01:43:32.000I don't like the Patriot Act at all, but if we got rid of it and then our government couldn't spy on us anymore, but then the Chinese government could and would, and the British government would, and then the Mexican government would, like, would that put us at a disservice as Americans?
01:43:45.000No, I mean, I don't really follow that.
01:43:47.000I mean, if we're allowing other governments to spy on us, we got to stop that.
01:43:51.000It's not a solution to just say we should all be spying.
01:43:53.000So maybe the Patriot Act itself is irrelevant, that we just need technology that's resilient to spying.
01:43:58.000Or we need a government that's resilient to pandering to every foreign innovation.
01:44:05.000I don't know why TikTok is allowed in this country.
01:44:25.000It's a spying, it's a Patriot, it's the Chinese version of the Patriot Act that we, like gullible fools, are willingly allowing onto our devices.
01:44:33.000We could demand that the code is open source before it sets foot on our soil.
01:44:38.000I mean, look, I mean, for all of, I praised Elon Musk for his innovations.
01:44:43.000You can't do business in China without being beholden to the Chinese government.
01:45:35.000I don't know exactly, we got a lawyer, she can deal with it, but it really does need to fall under the idea of something akin to copyright law.
01:45:42.000If you produce the data, you somehow have ownership over that data.
01:45:45.000You somehow have control over that data.
01:45:47.000Because if we're not doing that, then it's getting used.
01:45:49.000Yeah, I mean, there is a patchwork of laws in different states that give you certain rights, but it's not a federal law.
01:46:17.000He says, remember when World War II ended and we decided to create a one-world government in order to prevent falling into a one-world government?
01:46:25.000What I love about this one is that Ian brings up the liberal economic order, which is on the website of the CFR.
01:46:35.000George H.W. Bush talked about a new world order.
01:46:38.000There were a few statements recently about creating a new world order.
01:46:41.000I'm curious, I guess, you know, Harmie, you weren't here for the earlier part of the conversation about the great reset, this international, I don't know, you will own nothing and you will be happy kind of mentality that we're seeing.
01:46:53.000I mean, my parents didn't leave their homeland and bring me here to America for America to turn into some kind of socialist utopia.
01:47:02.000So, in fact, most of the people who come to this country don't want that.
01:47:05.000It's amazing how many Americans who grew up here and have all the privileges in the world have no awareness about world history or human nature or the brutality that happens in the name of equality.
01:47:20.000Every day, you know, I think about there's a lot of people who are not getting accurate information.
01:47:25.000They're either believing the lies from the corporate media or they just don't care.
01:47:28.000And the question is: how do you convince them?
01:47:30.000You convince them by being a part of the solution.
01:47:33.000You homeschool your children, you promote open carry laws, you expose the controlled intel agencies controlling social media, you get engaged with the dialogue, you show up at your school boards, you get involved where it matters.
01:49:21.000Trump did a bump stock thing, which I didn't like, but Trump also appointed Supreme Court justices that upheld the Heller decision, which is way more consequential than some aesthetic configuration on a gun.
01:49:31.000But what did Biden do other than just rhetoric?
01:49:34.000Biden, I believe, has now directed the ATF and the FBI to go after purchases, bank transactions.
01:49:39.000No, those are bank transactions or a private company.
01:49:41.000But Biden does talk a tough talk, but he hasn't done anything yet.
01:49:46.000From what I understand, is he is re-weaponizing the federal government to go after what they called Operation Choke Point, which is basically destroying firearm manufacturers in our country.
01:49:57.000By the way, nothing is done by a private company anymore.
01:50:00.000If anything, over the last few days of the Twitter dump says to us, do not believe that anybody is organically doing things that are taking away your rights.
01:50:35.000So many things would never have happened.
01:50:36.000Well, and Heller, just so you know, was the Washington, D.C. plaintiff that said, I have a right to own a firearm.
01:50:42.000And Clarence Thomas was the deciding vote and wrote the opinion.
01:50:46.000And he said, yes, not only is the Second Amendment critical for your safety, but you have a moral right to be able to defend yourself because of the Second Amendment.
01:51:12.000Because the way you're talking about because of this guy, we saved our gun rights makes me very nervous.
01:51:16.000So I don't want to rely on hoping that someone can come in and save me.
01:51:19.000Yeah, but I mean, this, it's, in my opinion, even with the ones who were there for a long time, I like the system where we have to be forced to elect good people to the presidency so that we aren't just waiting for the justices to term out.
01:51:36.000It does up the stakes for the presidency, but that's okay because what's at stake is our liberty.
01:51:41.000And I don't want them to just be rotating out and have new versions of them.
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01:52:58.000If you are a Republican, since many of my Republican fellow members are very triggered at hearing from their voters, I would ask that you perhaps contact Republican delegates or activists or committee man or precinct man in your state and ask for a vote on the leadership of the RNC at that activist level.
01:53:15.000That's been successful in Arizona, in Texas, in Tennessee, and increasing in other states.
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