00:00:57.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:06.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:51.000Matt, I enjoyed the article in Breitbart where you talked about how we need a new venture organization to revitalize America and counter woke corporations.
00:02:01.000Walk us through what you are doing to empower everyday people to smash these companies.
00:02:06.000Yes, we are sick and tired, as I'm sure all your listeners are, of what's going on in American commerce and culture.
00:02:14.000And we know that what's needed is not just attacking the wokeness, but establishing a positive vision of a pro-American, pro-human way of life that businesses can rally around.
00:02:28.000You can't defeat, as you well know, a negative with a positive, a negative with a positive.
00:02:34.000You have to come out with a positive vision because everyone's complaining.
00:04:23.000It's not boycotting quite, but it's moving millions of dollars into all these businesses that are made in America, are proud to be here, and getting people to rethink how they buy and then getting the businesses to rethink how they sell.
00:04:39.000Because a lot of these small to medium-sized businesses know that half the country plus wants to buy from them.
00:04:44.000So Align right now is a newsletter you can sign up for for free if you go to newfounding.com.
00:04:50.000And what Align does is just give you practical alternatives.
00:04:54.000But we're going to move beyond that into lifestyle, into profiles, into, you know, how do I move from a blue state to a red state?
00:05:12.000Now, I'm asking, let me ask you, Matt, are you starting to see more entrepreneurs start to lean in on this to go away from the woke direction?
00:05:19.000I mean, a day doesn't go by, freedom at charliekirk.com, where we get one of our wonderful listeners that send us something.
00:05:25.000And it's another one of these nauseating companies.
00:05:28.000I mean, for example, one of the applications that I use when I work out is called Train Heroic.
00:05:34.000And I get, again, it literally is to just log how much weight you're doing and just to keep you on.
00:05:39.000I get this email all about we at Train Heroic stand with the trans community.
00:05:53.000The problem is that no one is highlighting it as a movement, right?
00:05:58.000Because mainstream media does not want you to see that there are a number of younger founders and CEOs who want to avoid this stuff.
00:06:07.000And so in a way, we need our own ESG or our own version of social justice as a movement where you know these are radically pro-family, pro-American businesses.
00:06:17.000And that's why, you know, that's why New Founding, that's why we need to create a commercial and cultural union for the American people where we go out and find these people and present them to you and present you with deals and everything else and start to foster this movement that will involve lots of people.
00:06:33.000I will tell you, the silver lining is I do talk to people every day who are either trying to get out of these big companies and start something new or who already have started something new.
00:06:42.000And what we want to do is highlight that for regular people in a way that's active, that you can actually go out and support or just look around and see in one place, you know, all these people who are trying to move in a different direction.
00:06:54.000It's also about raising the consciousness, in my opinion, too.
00:06:57.000So for example, for small business owners out there, we have a lot of small business owners that watch this program.
00:07:03.000I mean, they can, you know, they're doing work and they're responsible.
00:07:06.000And so they're more in the conservative message.
00:07:09.000And while they're doing work, they're listening to us.
00:07:11.000They have to also be careful who they hire.
00:07:13.000Can you talk about how the personnel sometimes drives the radicalism within these companies about how employers need to be very careful about who they bring into their companies?
00:07:23.000They're properly vetting them to make sure that their values are aligned.
00:07:27.000Yeah, it may be unfortunate, but you cannot avoid this because the legal system is set up to allow for the woke mind virus, as the richest man in the world calls it, to take over your business.
00:07:43.000So, what happens in the larger corporations, like take Disney, is there may be like the CEO probably that doesn't have a spine, but there's maybe people there who he's not really for this, but they've hired so many creatives who are, there's nothing they can do.
00:07:59.000And so, if you're a small business, you absolutely need to go out there and make sure you're hiring aligned people.
00:08:06.000There's a great company that we work with called Red Balloon.
00:08:13.000Andrew Kapushitz, who started that, is a wonderful entrepreneur.
00:08:16.000And he just went out there during the virus and said, look, go to Red Balloon and you can find work from people who won't force you to get the backs.
00:08:27.000So we work with them and others where, you know, ultimately what we need is a digital network, a digital network that's open source, but has governance where curation and credentialing are coming from people who are aligned in terms of values.
00:08:47.000And that's why I talk about the raising of the consciousness, meaning that it can't just be like, oh, you know, why are we not boycotting these companies or supporting those?
00:08:55.000It has to be a top-to-bottom total philosophy change of are you doing your part?
00:09:01.000And this is something we're trying to do at Turning Point just a little bit.
00:09:03.000We have our Turning Point Alumni Network, and we've placed some people into jobs.
00:09:20.000Matt, I want to keep you for one more segment here.
00:09:22.000I have a theory that the recession actually might deal a very significant death blow to some of this woke posturing.
00:09:30.000Because when there are cuts that need to be made and profits start to diminish and cheap money starts to dry up, I don't know if the patience in the accounting department for $100 million to some sort of chemical castration program for children of some Sioux tribe in western Oklahoma is going to be something that Goldman Sachs wants to spend money on.
00:09:51.000I want to ask you about how economic pressures might actually help us here right now to deal a death blow to these maniacs.
00:09:58.000New founding, what the website really quick.
00:09:59.000Matt, one of my theories about woke corporations is that in the year of 2020, you had some simultaneous, let's say, influxes of really bad ideas, hatred of Donald Trump, lockdowns, a yearning for meaning, but also cheap money.
00:10:16.000And one of the theories that I've been putting forward is that when you have artificially high profits and you have tech companies in particular that just exploded during our reaction to the pandemic, that you have a lot of money floating around to subsidize bloated HR departments.
00:10:33.000However, when the economy starts to crater a little bit and budgets need to be cut and HR departments need to be kind of scaled back, the wokeys are going to be maybe laid off and not treated as nicely and kindly.
00:10:54.000I mean, I think there is some evidence that this has been going on, but it radically depends on the kind of corporation you're talking about.
00:11:20.000And something like Disney, for instance, as well, they've lost a lot, but I see them as on a suicidal course that they're not going to recover from.
00:11:29.000They're not going to fire all their woke creatives.
00:11:32.000On the other hand, there's other businesses that this gives the people, if there's enough people who realize the problem, this gives them ammo to help to scale and trim back.
00:11:43.000But, you know, unfortunately, I don't think it's enough to reverse the cultural revolution, although it can be useful to people in those businesses who are engaged in the fight.
00:11:54.000And look, that's why I go back to a commercial and cultural union for the American people where we connect people who are being atomized.
00:12:01.000We curate and bring together people who are doing all this interesting stuff to move in a different direction in practical ways.
00:12:09.000And then we advocate for people and harness the economic clout of half of America to move things forward.
00:12:26.000I just think it adds an element that makes our success more likely.
00:12:31.000That if we're pushing forward with competitors and we're pressing against these companies and they're also seeing their profits go down just because of natural economic curves, that it creates the conditions that we might be able to be successful.
00:12:44.000So, Matt, I want to shift gears to politics here.
00:13:04.000I, in fact, I'm very optimistic, not that everything's going to change overnight, but that everything you just said is true.
00:13:10.000And we will find more leaders rising up unlooked for because voters are so fed up with the establishment Republican Party.
00:13:19.000So, you know, I think what's going to be interesting about the red wave is, first off, we have to make sure that the establishment leaders know that we know the red wave is really about these new leaders who are boldly standing up and taking the party forward, taking the fight to the left, and are serious about what they're working on.
00:14:22.000Well, I just have to say that, you know, we are looking at a set of circumstances right now where the better candidates are starting to win primaries all across the country.
00:14:34.000I'm a little worried about Republican establishment abandoning them.
00:15:07.000You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment.
00:15:09.000They recently shared with me that they are doubling down and want to literally double their total number of happy customers in the next year.
00:15:17.000If you're struggling with back pain, neck pain, shoulder, hip, or knee pain, even general muscle aches and pain, then I'm suggesting you order their three-week quick start, still discounted, only $19.95.
00:16:11.000I have a lot of thoughts on this, Charlie.
00:16:14.000So originally, I thought to myself, us talking about Liz Cheney.
00:16:18.000Liz Cheney wants us talking about Liz Cheney.
00:16:21.000So my instinct in that is to say, no, actually, I don't really want to talk about Liz Cheney.
00:16:27.000But then I was sitting around last night going to spin this one.
00:16:31.000So I started to look at the returns in from Wyoming themselves, look at the commentary around her.
00:16:39.000And of course, we've got this amazing, amazing.
00:16:42.000I mean, Brooke had in months and months and months an article in the New York Times today by Frank Bruni, which said, Liz Cheney won.
00:16:52.000In the way that counts, Liz Cheney won.
00:16:55.000Well, let me tell you, he's consoling themselves right now, having lost all of their impeachment managers, having lost all of the people who all, every single one almost of them, are gone out of Congress already.
00:17:08.000And they're consoling themselves that they accused us of, our side of, back in 2020.
00:17:15.000But there is, there were two on in Wyoming, and by two ways, I mean two counties.
00:17:20.000Now, there was one county, Albany County, we bought an oddball in Wyoming.
00:17:25.000But the more interesting story is what I think of the entire battle going on in America right now.
00:17:54.000Just internalized, was able to carry a county that has an average income rate of average America.
00:18:05.000It's known as the billionaire's background.
00:18:08.000It's known as the billionaires' puzzles when I was reading up about this.
00:18:12.000And also, I think it's really interesting as a microcosm there because Teton County and the wealthy people that live there used to vote Republican until about 2000.
00:18:23.000And isn't that just when everything started to change?
00:18:27.000That is when you started to see the of the political left by the oligarch class.
00:18:35.000And it's like Donald Trump speaking out against things like what was happening then?
00:19:13.000Aspen, Colorado in Pitkin County is very similar as well, where if you go to Aspen, the homes are going for 4,000, sometimes 4,500 square feet per square foot.
00:19:26.000I mean, you go to, I was just actually doing while you were chatting, I pulled up Zillow at Teton County.
00:19:31.000There are homes that are listed for nearly $3,200 a square foot.
00:20:14.000I mean, I watch with scratching my head where you have New Jersey politicians now complaining that Donald Trump allowed the golf tournament in Bedminster.
00:20:30.000And I think to myself, these are the same people who were arguing that there should be a mosque at ground zero.
00:20:38.000You know, these people are oddly out of touch with common sentiment.
00:20:42.000Remember, obviously at the time, people were talking about theorists.
00:20:47.000Remember, 9-11 was planned in a cave in Tora Bora in Afghanistan.
00:22:18.000I don't want them to be familiar with Sam Harris, but he influences a lot of people.
00:22:22.000And he's kind of the top of how people view their metaphysical reality.
00:22:27.000I want to play this piece of tape here: Cut 78, the high priest of smug atheism, Sam Harris, the most influential atheist under 50, talking about Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement.
00:22:50.000Whatever the scope of Joe Biden's corruption is, like if we could just go down that rabbit hole endlessly and understand that he's getting kickbacks from Hunter Biden's deals in Ukraine or wherever else, right?
00:24:06.000And when people like Sam Harris absolutely are, they do sneer at you.
00:24:11.000They live to tell you how stupid you are.
00:24:14.000But the best thing about this clip and this longer form interview is at one point, he talks about how a conspiracy to keep a man being from elected president in 2020.
00:24:30.000And then the interviewer goes back to him and says, well, hold on a minute.
00:24:33.000We should be happy that there is a constantly elected president being re-elected.
00:24:39.000And Sam Harris goes, well, I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy.
00:24:47.000People like Harris get so like they never sit in rooms with people who believe anything different to them.
00:24:54.000They never sit on stages opposite PewDo.
00:24:56.000And like others on the right, are always thrust into those situations, right?
00:25:01.000Where we are constantly, Sam Harris never has had to do that in his life.
00:25:06.000And so he ends up circumlocuting himself and somehow losing.
00:25:13.000And it is just a wonderful, magnificent person thing that I think we're going to learn about today is that is the other smug Brian Stelter.
00:25:25.000Potentially, I think we're hearing that he may be leaving CNN.
00:26:04.000And then Zucker comes along and he starts hiring these people, Chris Cuomos, Marceas, all of these types who have no journalistic credentials.
00:26:50.000A luxury belief is something that the ruling class collects.
00:26:55.000Now, I did not come up with the term luxury belief.
00:26:59.000It was written in a New York Post article by Rob Henderson.
00:27:04.000And he wrote this phenomenal piece a couple years ago, three years ago almost.
00:27:08.000And he writes, quote, a former classmate of mine from Yale recently told me that monogamy is kind of outdated, the idea of having one partner and not good for society.
00:27:18.000So I asked her what her background is and if she planned to marry.
00:27:21.000She said she comes from an affluent family and works at a well-known technology company.
00:27:25.000Yes, she personally intends to have monogamous marriage, but quickly added that marriage shouldn't have to be for everyone.
00:27:31.000She was raised by a traditional family.
00:27:33.000She plans on having a traditional family, but she maintained that traditional families are old-fashioned and societies should evolve beyond them.
00:27:40.000You see, Rob Henderson argues in this piece that upper-class Americans used to display their social status with luxury goods, such as a Hermes scarf, or Gucci, or Dolce and Gabbana, or designer shoes.
00:27:57.000Now they do so by they show their wealth off by their luxury belief.
00:28:04.000Rob Henderson writes, people care a lot about social status.
00:28:07.000In fact, research indicates that respect and admiration for our peers are even more important than money of our sense of well-being.
00:28:15.000So this is what has happened in the upper middle class, not just upper middle class, but the wealthy, wealthy pocket enclaves across America.
00:28:26.000It's happened in Seattle, Tacoma, Washington, in Silicon Valley, outside of Washington, D.C., in Martha's Vineyard, in Kenny Bunkport, Maine.
00:28:52.000It's what you do with it that really matters and also how you got it, which is important.
00:28:55.000Meaning, did you lie, steal, and cheat to get it?
00:28:57.000Or are you doing something that is courageous and something that is virtuous with it?
00:29:02.000No, the more important question is: if you have all of these resources and this money, and then instead of buying another house or buying a yacht or buying a boat, you wear these luxury beliefs as if it's some sort of a social status competition.
00:29:16.000So, for example, in Aspen, Colorado, if there's a cocktail party, it is almost a one-upsmanship of where they used to say, Yes, you know, I have a Gulfstream 650.
00:30:25.000This is one of my main arguments that I made on college campuses: conservatives are perfectly consistent with our private and public beliefs.
00:31:14.000They're dangerous because the people that are pushing them forward on an otherwise naive population, they would never have that happen to their own family, their own society.
00:31:27.000The monogamy one is great, which is, yeah, do whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do it.
00:31:30.000But us and our waspy, white Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, khaki-wearing enclave, we believe in traditional marriage around here.
00:31:40.000Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:31:43.000I think it's one of the reasons why we're going to win.