The Charlie Kirk Show - Maine Wants Men in Women's Sports, No Matter The Cost

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Riley Gaines joins the program about the fight for women's sports.

00:00:08.000 Unfortunately, this fight continues.

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00:00:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:39.000 But truthfully, I'm frustrated.

00:01:42.000 I'm frustrated that we have to be here, that we as women have to stand before you all on national television demanding equal opportunities, demanding privacy in areas of undressing, demanding safety in our sports.

00:01:57.000 Amazing to me that we are still here fighting this fight.

00:02:02.000 It is shocking.

00:02:03.000 Riley Gaines joins us, TPUSA contributor, former University of Kentucky swimmer.

00:02:08.000 And women's sports advocate and, honestly, women's rights advocate.

00:02:11.000 Riley, great to see you.

00:02:13.000 Riley, I completely agree.

00:02:14.000 It's a sad state of affairs that we have to continue to fight on this.

00:02:18.000 I thought smart Democrats like Gavin Newsom were saying that we have to basically give up on this issue.

00:02:23.000 That was from a press conference you had at the Department of Justice this morning with Pam Bondi.

00:02:28.000 Catch our audience up to speed at exactly what that press conference was about.

00:02:33.000 Absolutely. Well, always a joy to be on with you, Charlie.

00:02:35.000 Look, of course, President Donald Trump signed an executive order back in February barring all men from participating in women's sports within any educational program that receives federal funding.

00:02:46.000 But what we have seen following this is some states have issued notices that they're unwilling to comply.

00:02:53.000 I mean, these are the typical characters, right?

00:02:56.000 Maine, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, California, Minnesota.

00:03:00.000 But there was this encounter between Governor Mills and Donald Trump.

00:03:04.000 At the White House where she, in this, I think what she thought was this mic drop moment, pushed back on this and said, look, we'll see you in court.

00:03:12.000 We're not going to comply with this.

00:03:13.000 And she has certainly gotten her wish because now, after many efforts to make Maine comply, which again they just were unwilling to do, the Department of Justice is now pursuing litigation and is suing the state of Maine and removing federal

00:03:29.000 funding. So quite the hill to die on.

00:03:31.000 Again, putting all of your constituents, the entire state of Maine, at jeopardy here because you want men to that badly participate in women's sports. 0.74

00:03:43.000 So, Maine continues to fight on this.

00:03:46.000 And all of these other states are digging in.

00:03:51.000 Is that right?

00:03:52.000 They are doubling and tripling down on the idea that men should be able to steal trophies and medals from women.

00:03:58.000 Is that correct?

00:03:59.000 Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on this.

00:04:03.000 If you would have asked me on November 5th if this was the route the Democratic Party would be going, I would tell you absolutely not.

00:04:09.000 I mean, this wasn't an issue, if you can remember, that Kamala Harris wanted to campaign on. 0.95

00:04:13.000 I mean, she didn't touch the trans issue virtually at all when she was campaigning.

00:04:17.000 So that was a good indication to me that the Democratic Party as a whole was going to slowly recant from their positions, distance themselves from their voting records.

00:04:26.000 But again, that's just not at all what they've done, which...

00:04:29.000 We know how the majority of American people feel.

00:04:31.000 The stat is out there, 80-20 issue.

00:04:33.000 But even amongst the majority of the Democratic Party, their own party does not agree with this.

00:04:38.000 So what Governor Mills is doing, I mean, I think she thinks it's this big middle finger to Donald Trump.

00:04:43.000 But it's a big middle finger to Mainers. 0.98

00:04:46.000 It's a big middle finger to young girls with dreams.

00:04:48.000 Dreams who succeed in their sports and beyond.

00:04:51.000 So I was at Boise State University yesterday.

00:04:53.000 I mean, Riley, you've been to many of our Turning Point USA gatherings and events.

00:04:57.000 There was a fair amount of trans activists there that say, Charlie, but what do you care? 0.69

00:05:01.000 Why do you, Charlie, care if a trans woman wants to win a medal? 0.97

00:05:07.000 It's a good thing.

00:05:08.000 It is progress.

00:05:09.000 Additionally, I would even have some of these trans zealots, and it really is an issue where they are blinded with zealotry, saying, Charlie, there's nothing wrong with sharing a locker room with a trans woman.

00:05:21.000 Again, can you just remind the audience the graphic nature of what occurs here, the violation of private spaces?

00:05:29.000 I hope everyone in the audience can understand and grasp that with this trans movement, your daughters have to undress next to naked men. 1.00

00:05:37.000 It's happening at Deerfield High School.

00:05:39.000 It's happening in Wisconsin.

00:05:41.000 It's happening all across the country.

00:05:42.000 We just recently had a mom from Deerfield, Illinois, where her daughter...

00:05:47.000 I'm sure you're aware of this story, Riley, had to undress next to a biological man naked while he touched himself in his genitalia, pleasing himself. 0.79

00:05:56.000 She decided to say, I'm not comfortable to do that, and the administration forced them to under penalty and punishment, and nothing has actually changed.

00:06:05.000 Riley. Sick.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, these three female administrators in Deerfield, Illinois, stood outside the door. 1.00

00:06:13.000 I mean, basically barricaded these young girls in.

00:06:16.000 What a sick message to be sending to young girls, basically to let your guard down, be vulnerable, get naked, and shut up. 0.99

00:06:24.000 Don't talk about it.

00:06:25.000 It's happening, Charlie, all over the country.

00:06:27.000 Like you said, there was a girl who spoke at the press conference with Pam Bondi today from the state of Maine who said at the age of 13 years old, that's where she first encountered this issue, and it was in the locker room.

00:06:37.000 A boy undressing next to her at 13 years old.

00:06:42.000 I mean, I can personally testify to the feelings of just...

00:06:47.000 Utter violation, the feelings of betrayal, again, when you're in this intimate area of undressing, which locker rooms in general aren't necessarily a comfortable space, but I'll say growing up a swimmer, you almost become comfortable being vulnerable in that environment.

00:07:02.000 That vulnerability is stripped from you.

00:07:05.000 When you turn around and you see a 6'4", 22-year-old man fully naked, fully intact, fully exposing himself inches away from where you were simultaneously unclothed.

00:07:18.000 I can tell you how my dad felt about this, Charlie.

00:07:20.000 He was not too enthused.

00:07:22.000 You can picture it now.

00:07:23.000 My dad, a former NFL player, a very big guy, he wanted to come down there and handle it himself.

00:07:29.000 Being married at a young age.

00:07:31.000 My husband doesn't like the idea of me exposing myself to a man, a man exposing himself to me.

00:07:37.000 I mean, that's, of course, we see the problems as it pertains to our rights to privacy.

00:07:42.000 But to me, that violates the matrimony of marriage to have a man watching you undress in that way.

00:07:47.000 So it's a total violation.

00:07:49.000 It's a total violation is what it was.

00:07:51.000 But again, women are really starting to wake up to this, I believe.

00:07:54.000 But the issue is politicians, is corrupt politicians.

00:07:58.000 Explain to the audience, Riley, is it that they're held captive by the trans lobby?

00:08:02.000 Is it that they're afraid that there's going to be a resistance?

00:08:05.000 This is a hyper-minoritarian portion of American society, very, very small, that they pander to.

00:08:13.000 Why? Why is that?

00:08:15.000 I think a couple things.

00:08:16.000 I think, number one, fear.

00:08:18.000 I think what people have learned over these past few years, the past five, six years or so, is that there is nothing that will oust you.

00:08:27.000 As much as opposing the gender ideology movement has done.

00:08:32.000 I mean, look at people like Congressman Seth Moulton, right?

00:08:35.000 He initially, prior to the vote on H.R. 28 in the House, the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act this year, he said, look, I've got a daughter.

00:08:42.000 You know, I don't want a man on the field or on the court with her. 0.67

00:08:45.000 And then when it came time to vote on this bill, he of course voted on party lines, voted in favor of putting boys in his daughter's sports.

00:08:53.000 So I think fear is a big part of it, being called names like transphobe, homophobic, they'll call you racist, a white supremacist for this stance, things that don't even make sense at all, which again is merely just name-calling.

00:09:04.000 That's what we do in like second grade.

00:09:07.000 And I think it would force them, if they changed their stance now, it would force them to admit that they knew this was a farce from its inception.

00:09:16.000 Again, what's been proven is they're just not willing to do that.

00:09:20.000 They have proven that this is a hill they are willing to die on, which doesn't make sense, again, to the majority of American people.

00:09:28.000 This issue has been painted.

00:09:30.000 It's even more than a majority, Riley.

00:09:32.000 It's 90-10.

00:09:33.000 I mean, you can't get Americans to agree on 90% on anything.

00:09:38.000 No, easily.

00:09:39.000 But that's not how the media represents it.

00:09:41.000 And, of course, that's not how it's...

00:09:44.000 Represented in terms of elected representation at the local, state, and federal level.

00:09:49.000 This is something unanimously across the board they have voted on party lines on.

00:09:55.000 Again, doesn't make sense.

00:09:57.000 It's a unifying issue, even amongst the Democratic Party.

00:09:59.000 I mean, I think this is a large part in why we see the Democratic Party's favorability rating as low as it is.

00:10:05.000 I mean, a couple weeks ago it was 27%.

00:10:07.000 I thought to myself, no way.

00:10:09.000 It gets lower than 27%.

00:10:11.000 Well, guess what?

00:10:12.000 It did the next week.

00:10:12.000 It was 26%.

00:10:13.000 Again, I thought to myself, no way it gets lower.

00:10:16.000 The only person who has a lower favorability rating than 26% is probably Putin.

00:10:21.000 Of course, it did get lower.

00:10:22.000 It got to 21%.

00:10:24.000 Now, even the people amongst the Democratic Party who view the party in a positive light is 7%.

00:10:32.000 7% of Democrats agree, and I think this is a large part of it, and I think we saw that in the election.

00:10:37.000 Of course, I believe people turned out to the polls to embrace Donald Trump, to embrace his cabinet picks, to embrace the America First agenda.

00:10:44.000 More so, I believe, that people turned out to the polls to reject absurdity, and that is what the Democratic Party has become across the board, whether it's men and women's sports, whether it's tampons in boys' bathrooms, whether it's referring to Latino individuals as Latinx, it's absurd.

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00:12:00.000 Let's play Cut 216.

00:12:02.000 Riley referenced this clip.

00:12:03.000 Is Maine here, the governor of Maine?

00:12:07.000 Are you not going to comply with it?

00:12:09.000 I'm complying with state and federal law.

00:12:11.000 Well, we are the federal law.

00:12:14.000 Well, you better do it.

00:12:15.000 You better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't.

00:12:18.000 And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although I did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports.

00:12:27.000 What they have done with this, again, I hope we can get rid of this issue.

00:12:31.000 But Riley, being at Boise State University, I had...

00:12:35.000 Probably 70 female athletes come up to me asking for pictures. 1.00

00:12:39.000 And under traditional rules, they might have been to the liberal.

00:12:42.000 I don't know how they stand on immigration.

00:12:44.000 I don't even know how they stand on abortion.

00:12:45.000 But they say they've become one-issue voters.

00:12:48.000 These Boise State volleyball players, because I think they're part of that whole San Jose State Mountain West Conference thing, right?

00:12:55.000 They say we are single-issue voters.

00:12:58.000 And it's a losing issue for the Democrat Party.

00:13:01.000 But please, riff more on that tape that we just saw.

00:13:04.000 Well, that is like the most Trump encounter ever.

00:13:08.000 I love how he says, look...

00:13:10.000 We are the federal law.

00:13:12.000 I am the federal law.

00:13:13.000 So when you say you're going to comply and you're actively not doing it, again, that federal law in this case being Title IX, which was very clear as it was originally written.

00:13:23.000 No one knew, 52, coming up on 53 years later, we would have to define that word sex.

00:13:29.000 But unfortunately, what we've seen are both elected and unelected bureaucrats go through the back door and reinterpret this word to mean what they want it to mean.

00:13:37.000 But even after this clip, the clip ends here.

00:13:40.000 Based on what you show.

00:13:41.000 But after this, that's when she has her see you in court moment.

00:13:45.000 He says, yeah, you will.

00:13:46.000 And then he goes on to say, enjoy your life, Governor, in this position because you won't have an elected position after this, I imagine.

00:13:53.000 So just a very Trump interaction overall, which I think is great.

00:13:57.000 That's what the American people voted for.

00:13:59.000 We voted for transparency.

00:14:00.000 We voted for accountability.

00:14:02.000 And that's what we saw today, again, with Attorney General Pam Bondi and the Department of Justice ultimately suing Maine.

00:14:09.000 That's the accountability that's back in the White House that people across the board, across the nation, have been desperate for.

00:14:15.000 So the other element here is, at its core, we have to speak biological truth.

00:14:22.000 At Boise State University yesterday, we had a bunch of donors to the school, and they were shocked.

00:14:26.000 They told me afterwards that they're reconsidering giving money to Boise State because one person after another, I said, what is a woman?

00:14:32.000 They couldn't answer that question.

00:14:34.000 I'm talking about like 20 kids that I brought up.

00:14:37.000 And these Boise State donors are like, I'm giving money to this?

00:14:40.000 I'm like, yeah, you should stop giving money to your alma mater.

00:14:43.000 But look, Boise State, they hosted us.

00:14:44.000 They were really nice.

00:14:45.000 But why should you subsidize this Marxism?

00:14:48.000 Fundamentally, talk about the transgender issue more broadly, Riley.

00:14:52.000 This all stems from us appeasing a mental delusion, trying to accommodate a psychological condition, which then, of course, invades female privacy, female sports, so on and so forth.

00:15:02.000 Riley. Well, yeah.

00:15:04.000 I mean, as you said, this is the most basic of truths, man and woman.

00:15:09.000 It's the sheer essence of humanity, a truth we have never struggled to understand in the nearly 250 years we've been established as a country, and certainly much longer than that.

00:15:18.000 Hate to break it to every single person listening to this, you are all here from man and woman, and that is what we're being asked to deny.

00:15:28.000 Understand if we as a society will deny that, again, the most basic of truths, then I think the scarier thing here is there are no limits, right?

00:15:37.000 We should be asking ourselves what's next if we are willing to deny sex, okay?

00:15:42.000 Are we willing to deny age?

00:15:44.000 Which I personally believe this is the direction that's going.

00:15:47.000 I believe the gender ideology movement as a whole really is an attempt to normalize pedophilia across the board.

00:15:55.000 And I think that's what we're seeing with this movement.

00:15:57.000 So yeah, and to your point about Boise State and the volleyball girls specifically, they forfeited Charlie against San Jose State University.

00:16:05.000 Again, a university that allowed a male.

00:16:07.000 Onto their women's volleyball team, taking a scholarship, a roster spot, a travel spot from a hard-working, deserving woman. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Boise State forfeited in their Mountain West Conference Championship, which is outside of the NCAA Championship, the pinnacle of their sport, they prematurely ended their season.

00:16:23.000 Knowing if they forfeited, they would accept a loss.

00:16:25.000 It would end their season.

00:16:26.000 They wouldn't be able to advance to the next step.

00:16:28.000 But those girls did that because they said, we understand some things matter more than victory. 0.98

00:16:34.000 Of course, in this case, our safety being one of them, the integrity of sports being another and biological reality.

00:16:41.000 The truth matters more than any victory we could ever get on that volleyball court.

00:16:46.000 So incredibly commendable.

00:16:47.000 That is courage that truthfully I didn't have when I was faced with this issue.

00:16:51.000 And granted, of course, I believe everything happens for a reason and for God's sovereign purposes.

00:16:56.000 But that courage, it takes a lot to be able to do that, sacrificing everything that they did to compete at the highest level.

00:17:03.000 That explains why there were so many there.

00:17:08.000 I mean, thank you for connecting those dots.

00:17:09.000 I was like, this is an unusual amount of...

00:17:12.000 Athletes, and because they're tired of men, pervert men, stealing their trophies, stealing their medals, and coming into their locker room.

00:17:20.000 Riley, thanks so much.

00:17:21.000 Talk to you soon.

00:17:22.000 Appreciate you, Charlie.

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00:18:33.000 Joining us now is Sean Davis, CEO and co-founder of The Federalist.

00:18:37.000 Sean, welcome to the program.

00:18:38.000 For years, I have been remarking that we are over-prescribing ADHD medication, that Adderall has been given out like Skittles to kids, and that we are giving not just antidepressants, but anti-ADHD drugs to young boys unnecessarily.

00:18:58.000 I would have been one of those kids.

00:18:59.000 I was hyperactive, hard to focus.

00:19:02.000 Things worked out okay for me, thankfully not having these psychoactive drugs.

00:19:06.000 A new report now confirms what we've been saying the entire time, and we were previously called conspiracy theorists.

00:19:13.000 Federalist.com.

00:19:14.000 Scientists, doctors give kids ADHD drugs for adults' convenience.

00:19:20.000 Everybody, let me listen to you very carefully.

00:19:23.000 Maybe you have a case where a kid needs an ADHD drug, but if you have a young boy where a doctor is trying to push it, Yeah, it was remarkable, especially considering the fact that it was the New York Times that came out with this wide-ranging discussion with doctors and educators and parents about how this basically 30-year experiment in drugging little boys into compliance

00:19:53.000 didn't work.

00:19:54.000 There's this crazy statistic in there that I think of 17-year-olds today.

00:19:59.000 Something like 23% of them were either on or supposed to be on Ritalin or Adderall, an ADHD drug.

00:20:07.000 And what they found when actually going back and looking at the data...

00:20:10.000 Is that the drugs seem to have a short-term effect for behavior, made people calm down or be compliant for a little bit.

00:20:19.000 That wore off after a year or two.

00:20:21.000 But when you looked at actual cognitive scores, when you look to see, hey, did these kids do better in school?

00:20:26.000 Did they learn more?

00:20:27.000 Were they smarter?

00:20:28.000 As a result of being put on this drug, the resounding answer was no.

00:20:32.000 And even more disturbing when they went back and looked at the history.

00:20:35.000 They can't even find a single biological, physical marker that somebody has ADHD or doesn't have ADHD.

00:20:43.000 And in reality, what was happening is you had, I think, a lot at the urging of schools and parents, you had little boys who had surplus energy being drugged so that they could be compliant in class.

00:20:56.000 And let me tell you, being an adult now...

00:20:59.000 Having extra energy, man, I'm jealous of kids who have that.

00:21:03.000 That's a superpower.

00:21:04.000 And yet we told multiple generations of little boys, this thing you have, which is a ton of energy and love for life that we all wish we could have when we're tired and at the end of the day, that's actually a disability.

00:21:16.000 There's something wrong with you because you're full of life.

00:21:19.000 And it was evil what was done to tens of millions of boys over 30 years.

00:21:24.000 Sean, that's such a good point.

00:21:25.000 People say, Charlie, how do you have all this energy?

00:21:27.000 First of all, I do get my sleep.

00:21:28.000 But for the record, I was one of those kids that literally could not sit still.

00:21:35.000 I always had to have something in my hand.

00:21:37.000 I would even bite on my pens.

00:21:39.000 I was constantly, constantly.

00:21:41.000 I'm still very much that way, for the record.

00:21:44.000 Except on college campuses where I sit for three and a half hours.

00:21:46.000 I'm very hyperactive.

00:21:48.000 I'm very about getting stuff done.

00:21:50.000 I love life.

00:21:51.000 I pace around offices.

00:21:54.000 People would want to have medicated me.

00:21:57.000 Is this a form of mass social control?

00:21:59.000 What's really behind this?

00:22:01.000 Is this about trying to medicate our best and brightest young masculine driven future generations? 0.98

00:22:11.000 What's really going on here?

00:22:12.000 I think with so many things in the pharmaceutical and medical area it started out as a genuine attempt.

00:22:20.000 To address a problem.

00:22:21.000 Hey, we think there may be this small sliver of kids who have a neurological issue that makes it impossible for them to focus or learn.

00:22:29.000 And so they developed this drug at the time that they thought, hey, this might be good for treating this tiny little niche sliver of people and help them.

00:22:37.000 And for all I know, maybe that works for a very, very small sliver.

00:22:41.000 But what it ended up becoming was a tool of control.

00:22:43.000 I think it was largely pushed by schools and teachers, many of whom I think just didn't like.

00:22:50.000 They liked compliant girls who could sit still and listen and follow directions. 0.93

00:22:56.000 And they didn't like that a ton of boys are just not made to sit in a classroom like statues for eight or nine hours a day.

00:23:04.000 And this thing that began with good intentions actually became a massive program to drug boys into compliance and to being more like little girls.

00:23:12.000 So I don't think it started out insidiously, but it certainly became that way.

00:23:18.000 Parents in this were victims, especially maybe single moms.

00:23:22.000 They've got these rambunctious boys.

00:23:24.000 They have no time to do anything.

00:23:25.000 They're constantly anxious and stretched thin.

00:23:27.000 And lo and behold, out of nowhere comes this diagnosis that, oh, it's...

00:23:33.000 If I can just get him on this pill, we can fix things.

00:23:37.000 And so I think a lot of parents were lied to and manipulated into going along with this who really didn't know better at the time.

00:23:44.000 And it's every bit as sad for the boys who were drugged as it was for the parents who were taken advantage of.

00:23:49.000 And just so we are clear that this is a hyper-feminine approach that we must medicate the boys.

00:23:55.000 Sit still and be quiet behavior.

00:23:58.000 Our feminist feminization of the American.

00:24:02.000 School system, very heavy on reading and writing, which girls actually develop verbal skills earlier than boys.

00:24:08.000 The zero-tolerance discipline stuff, especially when kids are 4, 5, or 6. Also, the decrease in competitive and physical activities.

00:24:16.000 You see this across the board.

00:24:18.000 So, I think there's also a pharmacological benefit here.

00:24:21.000 And I looked up the numbers, just so we're clear.

00:24:23.000 15% of young boys are on ADHD medication.

00:24:27.000 15%. 15% of our nation's young men that might have the most energy and the most vigor and the most vitality and the most love of life are currently Medicaid.

00:24:41.000 15%. Alright, so shifting gears here for a second, Sean.

00:24:44.000 You guys have been covering a lot of stories at The Federalist.

00:24:47.000 I want to dive into this one.

00:24:49.000 This is an exclusive op-ed that Marco Rubio wrote for The Federalist.

00:24:52.000 Tell us about it.

00:24:53.000 Yes, so Rubio today announced in the pages of The Federalist that the State Department was going to be dismantling what we call the censorship industrial complex.

00:25:02.000 And we at The Federalist were directly targeted by this complex.

00:25:06.000 And in his op-ed, Rubio admits that and says, hey, the State Department targeted The Federalist for destruction.

00:25:12.000 You guys were reporting things that were inconvenient to the government and the regime.

00:25:16.000 And so they deliberately and maliciously sought to deprive you of ad revenue, of traffic.

00:25:22.000 In the hope of destroying you as a news entity and as a speech entity, and thank goodness for Rubio and Trump for recognizing the threat to a free people that this type of illegal censorship poses.

00:25:36.000 We ended up having to go sue the State Department, who we're still suing right now for all this illegal, insidious censorship against us.

00:25:44.000 And what is fascinating in this op-ed from Rubio is he admits that even after the congressional authorization For one particular censorship program known as the Global Engagement Center, even after the congressional authorization expired, they changed the name of what they were doing,

00:26:01.000 moved the employees into a new area, and let them burrow into the State Department bureaucracy to continue doing everything they were doing.

00:26:09.000 So thank goodness we have an administration that actually believes in the First Amendment.

00:26:13.000 But trust me, the GEC is not the only entity doing this stuff.

00:26:18.000 It is ongoing.

00:26:19.000 There is an entire Borg, that's why we call it the censorship industrial complex, that exists to shut down anyone who accurately says things that are against the government

00:26:29.000 Boy, is that well said.

00:26:46.000 So the GCE produced reports.

00:26:49.000 Warning about misinformation of thinking that COVID might have come from a Wuhan laboratory.

00:26:55.000 Are we able to just defund this altogether, or is some judge just going to enjoin this?

00:27:00.000 Well, you know, it's actually really complicated and kind of tricky because censorship, there's downstream effects.

00:27:06.000 It's not as if you just say one thing and then that has its effect and then it's over.

00:27:12.000 I kind of liken this censorship industrial complex to somebody going up on a top of a hill and gathering a whole bunch of gigantic boulders and then pushing them down the hill towards all of their enemies.

00:27:26.000 Once that ball starts rolling, once you've given the tools to destroy people you don't like to the private sector using federal money, you can't just stop it.

00:27:35.000 There's all that momentum.

00:27:36.000 And so it's great that Rubio is saying, hey, we want to put an end to this.

00:27:40.000 But the harm is ongoing.

00:27:42.000 You know, there's massive boulders that have crushed us and are still coming at us because of the tools and the technologies that our own government paid for and developed for the entire purpose of censoring us.

00:27:53.000 It's just it's unspeakably illegal and awful.

00:27:58.000 So we can kill the GEC, but is that enough to eventually prevent it from happening in 0.98

00:28:03.000 You know, I don't think it's enough to do it forever.

00:28:09.000 We wish it could be done forever.

00:28:12.000 I think Congress really has to step in.

00:28:14.000 And also, these things that they were doing before even Trump took over, Congress didn't say they were allowed to do it.

00:28:21.000 They were doing it on their own.

00:28:22.000 It was supposed to be targeted at foreign propaganda and terrorist propaganda, not at domestic sources.

00:28:28.000 So unfortunately, I think we're only maybe kind of safe while allies of free speech are in office, because once the other side comes in, we know exactly what they're going to

00:28:38.000 Sean, plug the Federalist or whatever you'd like our audience to be aware of.

00:28:44.000 Yeah, check us out at TheFederalist.com.

00:28:46.000 We do great courageous journalism every day.

00:28:48.000 You can find us on Twitter at FDRLST or X on Instagram.

00:28:53.000 And you can find me on X at SeanMDAV.

00:28:57.000 Very good.

00:28:57.000 Sean, thank you so much.

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00:30:01.000 After October 7th, we have seen the war between Israel and Hamas continue, but there is a domestic issue that is also continually bubbling up.

00:30:12.000 Understandably, a lot of people in the Israel advocacy circles, Jewish Americans, are very worried about the rise of anti-Semitism, which...

00:30:22.000 There is a rise in Jew hatred and anti-Semitism.

00:30:24.000 In fact, we will publish a video of a dialogue that I had at Illinois State University that basically took my breath away.

00:30:31.000 Guy was blaming the Jews for everything.

00:30:34.000 Outright anti-Semitism.

00:30:37.000 However, what is happening is that there is by some a push to lower the bar and lower the threshold of what is considered to be anti-Semitic.

00:30:46.000 We must be very careful doing this.

00:30:49.000 So, Ambassador David Friedman, a man that I respect and that I've gotten to know, I have a different perspective than him on this.

00:30:56.000 So, essentially, we'll play this piece of tape first, and then I will respond.

00:30:59.000 But I also just need to reinforce my bona fides.

00:31:02.000 I don't think there's a Jewish person my age that has a longer or a clearer record of support and sympathy with the Jewish people or opposition to Jew hatred or a love of Israel.

00:31:16.000 But I have a disagreement with Ambassador Friedman here.

00:31:19.000 And it's part of a trend and a pattern that I think we need to mention here on this program.

00:31:24.000 Let's play cut 261.

00:31:25.000 As my predecessor said, I condemn anti-Semitism on the right and on the left.

00:31:31.000 I'm an equal opportunity condemner of anti-Semitism. 0.99

00:31:34.000 You're alluding to Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, none of them are any good on the right, on the left.

00:31:42.000 I don't like any of these anti-Semites, and I'm not shy about it, but the government 0.58

00:31:48.000 A government, the United States government or the government of France or the government of any other country, has the power to rein in anti-Semitism in a much more effective way.

00:31:59.000 And, you know, people say, well, you know, the governments are not in the business of changing the way people think.

00:32:04.000 That's true, but, you know...

00:32:05.000 To my thinking, most people who are, you know, anti-Semites, most of these people running around, we're not going to win their hearts and minds because they don't have hearts and they don't have minds.

00:32:13.000 So, you know, how are we going to, there's no reason to think we're ever going to convince them.

00:32:16.000 But we can deport them.

00:32:18.000 We can put them in jail.

00:32:19.000 We can make their lives miserable.

00:32:20.000 We can cut off their funding.

00:32:21.000 And that's what the Trump administration is doing for the first time.

00:32:25.000 So I think he's conflating two things.

00:32:27.000 I'm going to give a charitable view first, that he's conflating domestic American free speech, First Amendment protected speech.

00:32:35.000 With the importation of foreigners coming into the country. 1.00

00:32:40.000 So he was talking about deporting student visa holders.

00:32:43.000 However, it's a little bit of a conflation here.

00:32:46.000 And let me go a step further.

00:32:49.000 And it's because he said, look, governments do have power in Germany to go knock on your door and say that you are pushing hate speech.

00:32:55.000 I have to wonder, Ambassador Friedman, do you think it's okay?

00:32:59.000 Should it be legal to be anti-Semitic in Germany?

00:33:02.000 I think yes, it should be legal.

00:33:04.000 It's wrong, it's repulsive, but it should be legal.

00:33:08.000 The First Amendment and our strict freedom of speech is one of America's greatest rights that sets us apart from every other country in the world.

00:33:16.000 One of the central promises of Trump's 2024 campaign was to restore and protect American freedom of speech.

00:33:22.000 Five years ago, our elites tried to destroy freedom of speech in America in order to stop racism.

00:33:27.000 Immediately and predictably stopping racism became a justification for wrecking our cities and wrecking the lives of people who did nothing wrong.

00:33:36.000 Simultaneously in the name of stopping transphobia, they tried to make it impossible to dissent against the mutilation of children or radical gender propaganda in schools.

00:33:46.000 The criminal witch hunts against President Trump and Fannie Willis and Jack Smith both tried to criminalize President Trump's speech, indicting him for making tweets or delivering speeches.

00:33:55.000 Racism and anti-Semitism are both evil and should be opposed.

00:33:59.000 Opposed, but a government organized around jailing, impoverishing, or silencing people based on racism is what our enemies wanted.

00:34:05.000 We should not repeat their mistakes just because some keffa-wearing communist and depraved pigs are taking over our campuses.

00:34:12.000 Just because you don't like a person's opinion does not mean they're an anti-Semite.

00:34:18.000 And David Friedman did say in prison.

00:34:21.000 He did say in prison.

00:34:23.000 I don't think we should even imprison the green card holders. 0.99

00:34:26.000 Sending them back to their country, fine. 1.00

00:34:28.000 But time out.

00:34:29.000 Imprisonment? Because you think somebody has a different view on Israel than you do?

00:34:34.000 A view that I don't even have?

00:34:36.000 I understand that there is sensitivities post-October 7th.

00:34:40.000 Trust me.

00:34:41.000 I get it.

00:34:42.000 But I think this language needs to be calmed down dramatically.

00:34:45.000 Even alluding to the fact that Tucker Carlson should be imprisoned because he has a heterodox view on a topic or that Candace Owen should be imprisoned. 0.89

00:34:54.000 He said that word.

00:34:55.000 I'm not putting those words in his mouth.

00:34:57.000 And to be fair to him, the most charitable view is he's conflating the Mahmoud Kamil with the domestic issue, but then she brought up the American examples, and then he continued.

00:35:09.000 He'll have to clarify.

00:35:11.000 If we go too far, we will hurt the country, and it won't actually make anti-Semitism better. 0.85

00:35:16.000 And this is my final point.

00:35:18.000 Anti-Semitism actually grows when you overly censor thoughts and speech.

00:35:24.000 Free speech is the answer, not the problem.

00:35:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:27.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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