The Charlie Kirk Show - February 13, 2022


'Male and Female He Created Them' with Pastor John MacArthur


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Pastor John MacArthur shares his thoughts on gender confusion and why Christians should be tolerant of it. Pastor John MacArthur is the founder of Turning Point USA, a youth organization dedicated to ending the war on children. He has been a pastor for more than 40 years and has served as the leader of one of the most influential youth organizations in the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.
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00:00:09.000 My conversation with John MacArthur, which is from a special that we did with TBN Trinity Broadcasting Network, we talk about Romans 1.
00:00:17.000 We talk about what's happening in our country and the war on children.
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00:00:45.000 John MacArthur is here.
00:00:46.000 Buckle up. 0.96
00:00:47.000 Here we go.
00:00:48.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:49.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:51.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:55.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:58.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:59.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:00.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:09.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:17.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:20.000 Pastor John MacArthur, thank you so much for joining us.
00:01:23.000 You know, recently, it seems that YouTube labeled one of your sermons as hate speech.
00:01:29.000 Tell us about that.
00:01:29.000 It was such an extraordinary move.
00:01:33.000 Well, yeah, they labeled it hate speech because I said there are only two genders, male and female. 0.98
00:01:40.000 That was essentially it.
00:01:44.000 That was over the top.
00:01:46.000 That was not tolerable in our culture.
00:01:50.000 I was actually surprised because I've said far more volatile things than that many, many times.
00:01:58.000 But, you know, I touched the current sacred cow.
00:02:03.000 It sure seems that way.
00:02:04.000 So, Pastor, you know, you gave this sermon.
00:02:06.000 It was very well received.
00:02:08.000 And you mentioned that term sacred cow.
00:02:10.000 It seems that the Overton window has been changing and moving throughout the last couple years.
00:02:17.000 To even say that there are only two genders, to have a video removed, it's such an extraordinary measure.
00:02:24.000 I mean, now Apple iPhones, they have emojis of pregnant men.
00:02:29.000 Just talk a little bit about in your many years of ministry, how you've seen this moral decline and with it, the gender confusion that is plaguing America. 0.56
00:02:40.000 Yeah, you know, I think, Charlie, it really is what you see described in the first chapter of Romans, where the Apostle Paul talks about the wrath of God being revealed.
00:02:52.000 And it's cyclical.
00:02:55.000 The way it lays out, the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness.
00:03:04.000 So societies have essentially a certain amount of truth regarding God and righteousness and truth in general and all of that.
00:03:15.000 But because of their desire to rebel against God, they turn away from God.
00:03:20.000 They turn away from his word. 0.98
00:03:23.000 And Romans 1 says the first thing that happens is God gives them over to sexual immorality, to fornication. 0.98
00:03:30.000 And then a couple of verses later, it says, and he gives them over to homosexuality.
00:03:36.000 And then the third aspect of this form of wrath, God gives them over to a reprobate mind, which in the original means a mind that doesn't function.
00:03:48.000 So when you look at a culture and you see that there has been a sexual revolution followed by a homosexual revolution followed by insanity, you have seen the evidence of that wrath of God unfolding in that culture. 0.93
00:04:06.000 And I think it's just part of the obvious insanity and utter irrationality to say men aren't men and women aren't women, which is the most obvious reality in human existence.
00:04:22.000 And even saying that, and certain college campuses could have you kicked out.
00:04:26.000 That's such an interesting point about Romans 1.
00:04:29.000 I actually haven't heard it articulated that way.
00:04:31.000 And yes, it did start in the 1960s, but you started even before that, but at least in the American context of the sexual revolution, and then you had the gay rights movement, and now the latest variation, which you articulated perfectly, which is kind of a gender confusion movement.
00:04:47.000 And so, Pastor, some Christians feel uncomfortable talking about this.
00:04:50.000 You don't and I don't.
00:04:52.000 Some Christians believe that we must be tolerant of all people.
00:04:58.000 Some Christians would come to me and say, Charlie, it's not your business whether or not a nine-year-old thinks they're a man, if they're really a woman, or vice versa.
00:05:08.000 What would be your response to that?
00:05:08.000 How should Christians properly approach these issues?
00:05:12.000 Well, I believe there's a reason that we're still in the world, that the Lord didn't catapult us out of heaven when we came to salvation.
00:05:22.000 And that was to proclaim the truth to people who are lost in sin so they can turn from their sin and be saved and come to the knowledge of Christ and escape eternal wrath and enter the joys of heaven.
00:05:36.000 We're here for the sole purpose of confronting people in their lostness, in their confusion, in their transgressions, in their iniquities, exposing that and then showing them the remedy and the salvation that is in Jesus Christ.
00:05:54.000 When the church decides it won't confront sin, even at that obvious, blatant level, it has forfeited its purpose in the world.
00:06:05.000 And we're seeing it increase.
00:06:06.000 For example, a recent Arizona Christian University study said that over 40% of young people are either gay, bisexual, or transgender.
00:06:15.000 So, Pastor, even when I was growing up, we were told that people that are gay are about 3 to 5% of the population, nothing more.
00:06:24.000 But now that number seems to have increased.
00:06:26.000 It almost seems to be a selective lifestyle choice for some people.
00:06:30.000 Now, this makes some Christians, as I mentioned, very uncomfortable because they say, well, Jesus loved everybody.
00:06:37.000 Jesus dwelt among the sinners.
00:06:39.000 Can you make sense of that for us?
00:06:41.000 Can you offer some clarity?
00:06:43.000 Because I think there's some confusion of between showing compassion, but also not tolerating sin.
00:06:52.000 Well, Jesus said this, I am come to call the sinners to repentance.
00:06:58.000 He didn't say, I'm coming to make them feel good about their sin, but rather to confront and call them to repentance.
00:07:07.000 And Jesus' direct attacks on sin by definition are crystal clear, starting with any level of religious hypocrisy and going from there in every direction.
00:07:24.000 But what he was intending to say when he said he came to call sinners to repentance was, I really can't offer anything to the self-righteous.
00:07:34.000 I can't offer anything to people who won't admit they're sinners.
00:07:38.000 So he said, I can't call the righteous, quote unquote, to repentance because they think they're okay.
00:07:44.000 So unmasking sin in every form is the purpose of Christians in the world so that we can bring them the saving message of Christ.
00:07:54.000 So part of this conversation, I think we as Christians need to be celebrating the differences between men and women, that we were born differently and created differently.
00:08:04.000 Talk a little bit about that because it seems as if there's a blurring of the lines of not just in the transgender sense, but also in this idea that men are men and women are women.
00:08:14.000 What does the Bible say about that?
00:08:17.000 Well, clearly there is man and woman.
00:08:21.000 God created man and then he created woman and he designed them to come together in a marriage, which was essentially for life and to procreate. 0.74
00:08:29.000 And I mean, that's God's design.
00:08:31.000 And the fact is, that's still the reality.
00:08:34.000 We haven't yet created any kind of hybrid between men or women, and we haven't created any kind of third kind of human.
00:08:44.000 So men and women are the basic divine design. 0.90
00:08:51.000 Let me say something that I think is so very important at this point.
00:08:54.000 If you are lost on that, which is the most obvious reality in human existence, you have no hope of protecting yourself from lies and deceptions and fantasy.
00:09:10.000 And you're going to go down a path of destruction because you are a victim, probably in more danger than any other person, because you basically are living, affirming deception.
00:09:26.000 So you're a target for every other deception.
00:09:29.000 And I think that's why this particular lifestyle ends up with exponential numbers of suicide, chaos in people's lives, tremendous disappointment, disillusionment, unfulfillment.
00:09:43.000 And with many people we're finding who try to make some surgical corrections to fit their mental gender, they wish they could undo it and go back because they did that when they were immature and under evil influence.
00:09:58.000 So if you don't get that right, you're going to be a victim your whole life of every insanity that comes down the line.
00:10:06.000 That's really well said.
00:10:07.000 And this is an attack by the enemy.
00:10:10.000 And I want to talk to you a little about that, the spiritual component of this.
00:10:13.000 It would make sense based on what you said for the enemy to try and have you doubt the one thing that you objectively can see as true, one of the many things, but also just that men are men and women are women.
00:10:24.000 Because if you doubt that, then you start to doubt other metaphysical truths.
00:10:28.000 And so talk about how the enemy is trying to trip up children, especially on this topic.
00:10:34.000 There's a lawsuit happening in California right now.
00:10:37.000 You might have heard of it, where a mother is alleging that a local public school teacher was actually recruiting her daughter to become transgender and did so effectively.
00:10:47.000 Talk about how this is a plot by the enemy to only sow more confusion and chaos and disorientation in our culture and world.
00:10:56.000 Well, Charlie, let me say, first of all, I'm wrapping up a book called The War on Children.
00:11:03.000 And one of the chapters deals with this issue.
00:11:08.000 I would just throw in another illustration of this, the Canadian Bill C4, the bill that disallows anyone to do any quote-unquote gender therapy to anyone who has chosen an alternative gender.
00:11:24.000 And if you try to bring them back to a normal gender, you have violated the law and you could serve up to five years in jail. 1.00
00:11:31.000 I think the goal of that is primarily children.
00:11:36.000 I think that whole design is to give freedom to those people who are in that trans community to go after children and have parents have no possible way to stop it. 1.00
00:11:53.000 I think they're after the kids.
00:11:55.000 I think what they want to do is get this going in the school system as early as possible.
00:12:01.000 And what happened to that woman in California is the incident that hit the national news, but it's happening all over the place.
00:12:08.000 I hear about it all the time.
00:12:09.000 So I think what Canada has done now is empower the trans community who are in educational influential positions with children to say anything they want, drive children down that disastrous path, and literally make it a felony for the parents to do anything to stop and reverse that. 0.96
00:12:33.000 So it not only goes after the children, but all of a sudden the child is weaponized to destroy his own family.
00:12:42.000 Well, I want to ask you more about that topic of the war on children.
00:12:45.000 I'm really interested in it.
00:12:46.000 I'd love to actually have you back on and discuss that at greater length.
00:12:49.000 But it seems as if there is a theme, which is the war on children seems almost trying to get rid of the idea of children altogether.
00:12:57.000 There are multiple professors that have come out in recent weeks that have said that they don't see anything wrong between an adult and a child having a sexual relations.
00:13:06.000 A professor from State University of New York just recently said that, as if the kind of just the forsaking of the innocence of the child is now a hotly debated issue in America.
00:13:18.000 I mean, it's hard to believe this is even a topic, Pastor, that we have to defend and explore, that we have to say that the weak or the young deserve protection from the strong and the old. 0.88
00:13:29.000 Talk a little bit about this and how do we make sense of this as Christians?
00:13:33.000 Personally, as a Christian, this just strikes me as completely diabolical. 1.00
00:13:39.000 Well, we knew it was coming, didn't we?
00:13:41.000 I mean, we said that before it arrived.
00:13:44.000 We said, okay, if you throw out all biblical morality, if you throw out everything the Bible says about morality at an adult level, then what's left?
00:13:55.000 What's next?
00:13:56.000 And, you know, we were having this discussion two, three years ago, when is pedophilia going to be okay?
00:14:03.000 Because if there is no authoritative moral standard, if there is no God, if there is no divine revelation, if it doesn't matter how you live except the way you choose to live, then why would it stop at transgenderism? 0.87
00:14:19.000 Why wouldn't it become pedophilia?
00:14:21.000 And that's exactly where it's gone.
00:14:23.000 So this is very predictable.
00:14:27.000 The enemy will push as far as the enemy can possibly push to do as much damage and devastation as he can.
00:14:36.000 And I know people sometimes don't think about a cosmic power, but according to scripture, this is not random sinful people doing things.
00:14:47.000 This is orchestrated at a supernatural level.
00:14:51.000 These kinds of movements have supernatural power behind them.
00:14:56.000 So there's no stopping this.
00:14:59.000 Another way to look at it is the first assault on children comes from the people who basically don't want to have any.
00:15:08.000 I mean, the assault starts when you get a dog instead of a son or a dog instead of a daughter when you don't even have the normal human inclination to fill your home with the joy of children and pass on everything that you love and believe in to those precious gifts.
00:15:28.000 The growing disinterest in even having children is where the war starts.
00:15:34.000 And then the children that are conceived have to survive the womb. 0.96
00:15:39.000 And if they can survive the womb and come out, then who knows who's going to get them when they get to school and drive them down another pathway of destruction. 0.99
00:15:49.000 So obviously they are the most vulnerable.
00:15:52.000 They are the most unable to defend themselves.
00:15:56.000 They are the weakest.
00:15:58.000 And they can be most easily and most readily attacked.
00:16:01.000 That's why the frightening reality is that when the media starts buying into these immoral trends and start twisting cartoons and Disney programs and those kinds of things that are directed at children and embedding them with all of these deviant kinds of personalities,
00:16:23.000 only making them lovable and likable, there's a direct purpose in going after those that are the easiest to twist, and that's the kids.
00:16:33.000 So, Pastor, I want to talk a little bit about the role of the church in all of this.
00:16:37.000 And I just want to thank you on this program for the stance that you took to keep your church open, how articulate you were in saying that Christ was the head of the church.
00:16:48.000 I know personally from the work that we do across the country on campuses and churches, we had so many pastors reach out to us and referenced your sermon and your explanation as to why the church needs to open.
00:17:03.000 And you did it beautifully while addressing what it says in Romans 13.
00:17:07.000 So I just want to thank you for that.
00:17:08.000 But unfortunately, so many churches did remain closed and continue to remain closed, not so much in America still, but across the world.
00:17:17.000 But when it comes to this particular issue of protecting children and gender confusion, I look at certain churches.
00:17:24.000 For example, a major church in Atlanta where a major pastor brought a gender confused person, a man who thought he was a woman, on stage and said, this is one of the bravest people that I've ever known.
00:17:38.000 I could give multiple examples of churches flying these LGBT flags outside of their church.
00:17:45.000 So it seems that it's the media that is pushing this.
00:17:48.000 But unfortunately, it's more and more American churches that are also embracing this.
00:17:52.000 How do we make sense of that?
00:17:56.000 Well, I think you make sense of it in one sense, because the church 20 years ago decided it needed to accommodate the world.
00:18:05.000 It decided it needed to win the culture.
00:18:08.000 It decided it needed to be able to market its message.
00:18:13.000 So you had this sweeping pragmatism take over the church.
00:18:18.000 And, you know, I heard one of those well-known megachurch pastors just say yesterday, we offer people exactly what they already want.
00:18:29.000 Isn't that wonderful?
00:18:30.000 Well, the problem with that is if you're an unconverted person, you don't want what is right.
00:18:36.000 You don't want what God wants for you.
00:18:39.000 But churches have decided that in order to be accepted, in order to be popular, in order to be full of people, in order to attract crowds, they've got to give the culture what the culture wants or what the culture tolerates.
00:18:54.000 And so they have tolerated all kinds of things.
00:18:56.000 This is, I mean, this is the definition of compromise.
00:19:00.000 And it comes because there was a shift away from the church being the agency of God that confronts the world to becoming part of the world itself to accommodate the world.
00:19:15.000 And if that's your goal, you're on a fast track to go wherever they go.
00:19:20.000 Because if your design is to give them what they want and tell them what they want and make them feel good about themselves so you can draw them in, you're going to go where they go.
00:19:31.000 And whatever's next, you're going to have to find a way either to be silent about it or eventually even to affirm it.
00:19:37.000 I find that to be totally correct.
00:19:39.000 And, you know, churches such as yours and so many of my other close friends' churches that take these tough stands, you'll be called names and some people might leave.
00:19:49.000 But however, I do think there's a growing interest, though, from the population for truth and not to be lied to and to try to make clarity out of confusion.
00:19:58.000 Can you talk a little bit about how God does not want us to be in a state of confusion?
00:20:03.000 That is a tactic that is authored by Satan, who is deceitful and the author of lies.
00:20:09.000 And if there's someone watching this right now that's in a state of either personal confusion or cultural confusion, you know, a Bible-based church is the answer.
00:20:19.000 Yeah, Charlie, look, the church is the pillar and ground of the truth.
00:20:25.000 That's what the Bible says.
00:20:26.000 All we've got is the truth, but that's all we need.
00:20:30.000 We are in the world, the source of divine truth.
00:20:35.000 On everything that's revealed by God in his holy word, the church must speak.
00:20:42.000 That's our entire mission.
00:20:44.000 Where the Bible begins, we start.
00:20:46.000 Where the Bible ends, we stop.
00:20:49.000 And that's our mission in the world.
00:20:52.000 Speaking the truth.
00:20:54.000 All divine truth, all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is transformative.
00:21:01.000 And it is what desperate people need.
00:21:04.000 And I'll tell you this.
00:21:06.000 Our church has literally exploded in the last two years.
00:21:10.000 I've never seen anything like it.
00:21:11.000 And I've been pastoring here for over 50 years.
00:21:14.000 Just Sunday night, for example, 125 people joined Grace Church.
00:21:19.000 And that's not an untypical Sunday night that we welcome that volume of people in.
00:21:26.000 The place is just overflowing.
00:21:28.000 When we opened the church to children well over a year ago after being a little bit careful almost two years ago now with the COVID thing, the first Sunday we opened this church, a thousand elementary kids showed up here.
00:21:45.000 They were so weary of being isolated and kept away from school and kept away from their friends.
00:21:49.000 And we had balloons and lollipops and there never been any masks or anything like that.
00:21:55.000 And we've literally had thousands of children.
00:21:58.000 And let me tell you something.
00:22:00.000 You want to get a family to come to church, win their children, provide a safe and joyful experience for their children.
00:22:08.000 So, yeah, I just think telling the truth and Sunday after Sunday after Sunday now for two years, I've tried to tell the truth about what's going on in the world.
00:22:18.000 Normally, I might be teaching through the book of Romans, but I've just been doing one sermon after another, navigating the issues that our people are facing.
00:22:27.000 And it's just drawn massive amounts of people.
00:22:30.000 And of course, then you have live stream and then you have people downloading sermons at a clip of, I think we're at about 2 million a month.
00:22:38.000 And it's staggering how people are saying, I want to know the truth.
00:22:38.000 Wow.
00:22:44.000 And even obviously people who are disturbed, because look, if you're lost and you're deceived and you don't know the truth, there's a huge, huge hunger in your heart.
00:22:56.000 Even though you may have chosen a lifestyle, if it's destructive, there's an ache in your heart that wants to know, is this right?
00:23:05.000 What is the truth?
00:23:07.000 And that's what the church is in the world to proclaim.
00:23:11.000 Amen.
00:23:12.000 And your church is flourishing.
00:23:15.000 I visited actually for a pro-life ministry recently, and it was just busting at the seams of just amazing people that were volunteering also for the ministry event, but also just talking about such great things about your leadership and what you've been able to do.
00:23:32.000 So, in closing here, I want to just kind of reinforce this message of hope.
00:23:36.000 There's a lot of young people that watch this program and listen to our program that are being fed contradictory messages.
00:23:43.000 They might be hearing this, but in the back of their ear, they're saying, ah, there's no such thing as absolute truth.
00:23:49.000 My college professor told me that you make your own truth, that you kind of just chart your own way, or you just kind of find the middle ground.
00:23:56.000 Talk a little bit about that just directly to our nation's young people, the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, lost, confused, childless generation in history.
00:24:06.000 What's a message of hope for them?
00:24:09.000 Well, first you could start with human reason and the law of non-contradiction.
00:24:15.000 A cannot be A and non-A at the same time and the same place. 0.96
00:24:19.000 In other words, two opposing realities cannot be true.
00:24:24.000 So, let's take religion.
00:24:26.000 The Bible says there's only one God and there's only one Savior and there's only one way of salvation.
00:24:32.000 If that's true, then all other ways are false.
00:24:36.000 So, you have to come to the foundation of all understanding of truth is not everything can be true.
00:24:44.000 And there is absolute truth.
00:24:45.000 If you question absolute truth, my suggestion to young people is jump off a building and see which way you go. 0.97
00:24:53.000 You're going to go down because the law of gravity is inexorable and you can't alter it.
00:25:00.000 You may mitigate it a little bit if you had a parachute, but there are fixed laws in the universe.
00:25:05.000 We live under these fixed laws in the material universe.
00:25:10.000 Why would we assume that the God who created all of this created a material universe with fixed laws?
00:25:17.000 But when it comes to the spiritual realm, it's some kind of bizarre free-for-all.
00:25:23.000 That's just inconsistent with the nature of God.
00:25:27.000 He is as ordered and as fixed in his truth in the spiritual realm as he is in the material realm.
00:25:37.000 And I think the only way that you'll know that is to be exposed to the truth.
00:25:43.000 The truth defends itself.
00:25:45.000 I don't even defend the truth.
00:25:46.000 The truth is like a lion.
00:25:48.000 You don't defend a lion.
00:25:49.000 You open the cage.
00:25:50.000 It'll take care of itself.
00:25:52.000 I suggest to young people, go to someone who says they're speaking the truth from the word of God and listen and decide if that doesn't have the ring of truth.
00:26:04.000 And that isn't, in fact, what your heart cries for in the chaos and the confusion.
00:26:09.000 The only way I'll ever know is to hear, because faith in the truth comes by hearing the truth.
00:26:18.000 And so many students and young people are just told to reject it, don't even get anywhere near it.
00:26:23.000 And just talk for a moment, just the hope of Jesus Christ.
00:26:26.000 I know for some people watching this, they've already given their life to the Lord, but we have a lot of followers, Pastor, that follow our organization that are getting closer.
00:26:36.000 They're starting to drink from the streams of liberty, but they want to find its source.
00:26:41.000 They know there's something that isn't quite fitting in their life, but they're looking for salvation.
00:26:47.000 You do it better than anyone else.
00:26:49.000 Tell them about the hope of Jesus Christ.
00:26:53.000 Well, look, whatever may be wrong with you in terms of your ignorance, whatever may be wrong with you in terms of your economic status or the disappointment in your career or your life or broken relationships are minor details. 0.96
00:27:09.000 The big issue with you is you're a sinner. 1.00
00:27:12.000 That's the big issue.
00:27:13.000 And that sin is an offense to God.
00:27:17.000 And that sin will be punished.
00:27:20.000 And every sin will be punished.
00:27:22.000 Every sin ever committed by every person who's ever lived will be punished.
00:27:26.000 Scripture says it'll either be punished on the sinner eternally or the punishment will fall on Christ. 0.91
00:27:36.000 And what we believe is that Jesus Christ died on the cross to carry the punishment.
00:27:41.000 for the sins of all the people who will believe on him through all of human history.
00:27:49.000 When we're talking about Christ, we're not talking about ethics, although he's the most ethical human who ever lived.
00:27:56.000 We're not talking about being compassionate, although he was the most compassionate person who ever lived.
00:28:02.000 We're talking about one who died to pay the penalty for all your sins.
00:28:09.000 And having paid that penalty, can offer you forgiveness forever and the promise of everlasting eternal joy and life in his presence.
00:28:20.000 That's what Christ is about.
00:28:21.000 It's not about an ethical model, though he is that.
00:28:24.000 He is a savior.
00:28:26.000 And what you need more than anything else is to be delivered from eternal death, to be delivered from the power and the presence of your sin.
00:28:37.000 And that's what Christ offers.
00:28:39.000 And that's why he died and proved that he accomplished it because he rose from the dead triumphant.
00:28:46.000 Amen.
00:28:46.000 Pastor, just give our audience a way they can follow you or connect with you.
00:28:50.000 Or maybe they live in Southern California.
00:28:52.000 And how would they come by your church?
00:28:56.000 Yeah, we're in the San Fernando Valley Grace Community Church on Roscoe Boulevard.
00:29:02.000 Easy to find.
00:29:03.000 You can just look up gracechurch.org.
00:29:06.000 And the sermons that I give and a lot of the other resources are at gty.org.
00:29:14.000 That's Grace2U Radio.
00:29:15.000 We're on the radio all across the world.
00:29:17.000 gty.org will access all the material that's available.
00:29:22.000 Well, thank you, Pastor.
00:29:23.000 And I look forward to reading your upcoming book, War on Children.
00:29:26.000 Again, you've been such an inspiration for me personally.
00:29:29.000 I know for thousands of pastors across the country.
00:29:32.000 And just thank you for taking these stands.
00:29:35.000 And don't take it too personally when YouTube takes you off.
00:29:38.000 I know you don't.
00:29:39.000 It's happened plenty of times to all of us.
00:29:41.000 And so we're with you.
00:29:43.000 And thank you for proclaiming truth.
00:29:44.000 And thank you for joining us today.
00:29:46.000 That's my joy, Charlie.
00:29:47.000 And I'm glad to be in good company.
00:29:49.000 Thank you so much.
00:29:50.000 God bless you.
00:29:53.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
00:29:55.000 Have a great Sunday.
00:29:56.000 And you can always email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:29:59.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:30:00.000 God bless.
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