00:00:37.000If you want to email me, you can do so directly, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com, and get involved with Turning Point USA today at tpusa.com.
00:01:00.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:09.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:08.000And you mentioned that term sacred cow.
00:02:10.000It seems that the Overton window has been changing and moving throughout the last couple years.
00:02:17.000To even say that there are only two genders, to have a video removed, it's such an extraordinary measure.
00:02:24.000I mean, now Apple iPhones, they have emojis of pregnant men.
00:02:29.000Just talk a little bit about in your many years of ministry, how you've seen this moral decline and with it, the gender confusion that is plaguing America.
00:02:40.000Yeah, you know, I think, Charlie, it really is what you see described in the first chapter of Romans, where the Apostle Paul talks about the wrath of God being revealed.
00:02:55.000The way it lays out, the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness.
00:03:04.000So societies have essentially a certain amount of truth regarding God and righteousness and truth in general and all of that.
00:03:15.000But because of their desire to rebel against God, they turn away from God.
00:03:23.000And Romans 1 says the first thing that happens is God gives them over to sexual immorality, to fornication.
00:03:30.000And then a couple of verses later, it says, and he gives them over to homosexuality.
00:03:36.000And then the third aspect of this form of wrath, God gives them over to a reprobate mind, which in the original means a mind that doesn't function.
00:03:48.000So when you look at a culture and you see that there has been a sexual revolution followed by a homosexual revolution followed by insanity, you have seen the evidence of that wrath of God unfolding in that culture.
00:04:06.000And I think it's just part of the obvious insanity and utter irrationality to say men aren't men and women aren't women, which is the most obvious reality in human existence.
00:04:22.000And even saying that, and certain college campuses could have you kicked out.
00:04:26.000That's such an interesting point about Romans 1.
00:04:29.000I actually haven't heard it articulated that way.
00:04:31.000And yes, it did start in the 1960s, but you started even before that, but at least in the American context of the sexual revolution, and then you had the gay rights movement, and now the latest variation, which you articulated perfectly, which is kind of a gender confusion movement.
00:04:47.000And so, Pastor, some Christians feel uncomfortable talking about this.
00:04:52.000Some Christians believe that we must be tolerant of all people.
00:04:58.000Some Christians would come to me and say, Charlie, it's not your business whether or not a nine-year-old thinks they're a man, if they're really a woman, or vice versa.
00:05:08.000How should Christians properly approach these issues?
00:05:12.000Well, I believe there's a reason that we're still in the world, that the Lord didn't catapult us out of heaven when we came to salvation.
00:05:22.000And that was to proclaim the truth to people who are lost in sin so they can turn from their sin and be saved and come to the knowledge of Christ and escape eternal wrath and enter the joys of heaven.
00:05:36.000We're here for the sole purpose of confronting people in their lostness, in their confusion, in their transgressions, in their iniquities, exposing that and then showing them the remedy and the salvation that is in Jesus Christ.
00:05:54.000When the church decides it won't confront sin, even at that obvious, blatant level, it has forfeited its purpose in the world.
00:06:43.000Because I think there's some confusion of between showing compassion, but also not tolerating sin.
00:06:52.000Well, Jesus said this, I am come to call the sinners to repentance.
00:06:58.000He didn't say, I'm coming to make them feel good about their sin, but rather to confront and call them to repentance.
00:07:07.000And Jesus' direct attacks on sin by definition are crystal clear, starting with any level of religious hypocrisy and going from there in every direction.
00:07:24.000But what he was intending to say when he said he came to call sinners to repentance was, I really can't offer anything to the self-righteous.
00:07:34.000I can't offer anything to people who won't admit they're sinners.
00:07:38.000So he said, I can't call the righteous, quote unquote, to repentance because they think they're okay.
00:07:44.000So unmasking sin in every form is the purpose of Christians in the world so that we can bring them the saving message of Christ.
00:07:54.000So part of this conversation, I think we as Christians need to be celebrating the differences between men and women, that we were born differently and created differently.
00:08:04.000Talk a little bit about that because it seems as if there's a blurring of the lines of not just in the transgender sense, but also in this idea that men are men and women are women.
00:08:21.000God created man and then he created woman and he designed them to come together in a marriage, which was essentially for life and to procreate.
00:08:31.000And the fact is, that's still the reality.
00:08:34.000We haven't yet created any kind of hybrid between men or women, and we haven't created any kind of third kind of human.
00:08:44.000So men and women are the basic divine design.
00:08:51.000Let me say something that I think is so very important at this point.
00:08:54.000If you are lost on that, which is the most obvious reality in human existence, you have no hope of protecting yourself from lies and deceptions and fantasy.
00:09:10.000And you're going to go down a path of destruction because you are a victim, probably in more danger than any other person, because you basically are living, affirming deception.
00:09:26.000So you're a target for every other deception.
00:09:29.000And I think that's why this particular lifestyle ends up with exponential numbers of suicide, chaos in people's lives, tremendous disappointment, disillusionment, unfulfillment.
00:09:43.000And with many people we're finding who try to make some surgical corrections to fit their mental gender, they wish they could undo it and go back because they did that when they were immature and under evil influence.
00:09:58.000So if you don't get that right, you're going to be a victim your whole life of every insanity that comes down the line.
00:10:10.000And I want to talk to you a little about that, the spiritual component of this.
00:10:13.000It would make sense based on what you said for the enemy to try and have you doubt the one thing that you objectively can see as true, one of the many things, but also just that men are men and women are women.
00:10:24.000Because if you doubt that, then you start to doubt other metaphysical truths.
00:10:28.000And so talk about how the enemy is trying to trip up children, especially on this topic.
00:10:34.000There's a lawsuit happening in California right now.
00:10:37.000You might have heard of it, where a mother is alleging that a local public school teacher was actually recruiting her daughter to become transgender and did so effectively.
00:10:47.000Talk about how this is a plot by the enemy to only sow more confusion and chaos and disorientation in our culture and world.
00:10:56.000Well, Charlie, let me say, first of all, I'm wrapping up a book called The War on Children.
00:11:03.000And one of the chapters deals with this issue.
00:11:08.000I would just throw in another illustration of this, the Canadian Bill C4, the bill that disallows anyone to do any quote-unquote gender therapy to anyone who has chosen an alternative gender.
00:11:24.000And if you try to bring them back to a normal gender, you have violated the law and you could serve up to five years in jail.
00:11:31.000I think the goal of that is primarily children.
00:11:36.000I think that whole design is to give freedom to those people who are in that trans community to go after children and have parents have no possible way to stop it.
00:12:09.000So I think what Canada has done now is empower the trans community who are in educational influential positions with children to say anything they want, drive children down that disastrous path, and literally make it a felony for the parents to do anything to stop and reverse that.
00:12:33.000So it not only goes after the children, but all of a sudden the child is weaponized to destroy his own family.
00:12:42.000Well, I want to ask you more about that topic of the war on children.
00:12:46.000I'd love to actually have you back on and discuss that at greater length.
00:12:49.000But it seems as if there is a theme, which is the war on children seems almost trying to get rid of the idea of children altogether.
00:12:57.000There are multiple professors that have come out in recent weeks that have said that they don't see anything wrong between an adult and a child having a sexual relations.
00:13:06.000A professor from State University of New York just recently said that, as if the kind of just the forsaking of the innocence of the child is now a hotly debated issue in America.
00:13:18.000I mean, it's hard to believe this is even a topic, Pastor, that we have to defend and explore, that we have to say that the weak or the young deserve protection from the strong and the old.
00:13:29.000Talk a little bit about this and how do we make sense of this as Christians?
00:13:33.000Personally, as a Christian, this just strikes me as completely diabolical.
00:13:39.000Well, we knew it was coming, didn't we?
00:13:41.000I mean, we said that before it arrived.
00:13:44.000We said, okay, if you throw out all biblical morality, if you throw out everything the Bible says about morality at an adult level, then what's left?
00:13:56.000And, you know, we were having this discussion two, three years ago, when is pedophilia going to be okay?
00:14:03.000Because if there is no authoritative moral standard, if there is no God, if there is no divine revelation, if it doesn't matter how you live except the way you choose to live, then why would it stop at transgenderism?
00:14:59.000Another way to look at it is the first assault on children comes from the people who basically don't want to have any.
00:15:08.000I mean, the assault starts when you get a dog instead of a son or a dog instead of a daughter when you don't even have the normal human inclination to fill your home with the joy of children and pass on everything that you love and believe in to those precious gifts.
00:15:28.000The growing disinterest in even having children is where the war starts.
00:15:34.000And then the children that are conceived have to survive the womb.
00:15:39.000And if they can survive the womb and come out, then who knows who's going to get them when they get to school and drive them down another pathway of destruction.
00:15:49.000So obviously they are the most vulnerable.
00:15:52.000They are the most unable to defend themselves.
00:15:58.000And they can be most easily and most readily attacked.
00:16:01.000That's why the frightening reality is that when the media starts buying into these immoral trends and start twisting cartoons and Disney programs and those kinds of things that are directed at children and embedding them with all of these deviant kinds of personalities,
00:16:23.000only making them lovable and likable, there's a direct purpose in going after those that are the easiest to twist, and that's the kids.
00:16:33.000So, Pastor, I want to talk a little bit about the role of the church in all of this.
00:16:37.000And I just want to thank you on this program for the stance that you took to keep your church open, how articulate you were in saying that Christ was the head of the church.
00:16:48.000I know personally from the work that we do across the country on campuses and churches, we had so many pastors reach out to us and referenced your sermon and your explanation as to why the church needs to open.
00:17:03.000And you did it beautifully while addressing what it says in Romans 13.
00:17:08.000But unfortunately, so many churches did remain closed and continue to remain closed, not so much in America still, but across the world.
00:17:17.000But when it comes to this particular issue of protecting children and gender confusion, I look at certain churches.
00:17:24.000For example, a major church in Atlanta where a major pastor brought a gender confused person, a man who thought he was a woman, on stage and said, this is one of the bravest people that I've ever known.
00:17:38.000I could give multiple examples of churches flying these LGBT flags outside of their church.
00:17:45.000So it seems that it's the media that is pushing this.
00:17:48.000But unfortunately, it's more and more American churches that are also embracing this.
00:18:30.000Well, the problem with that is if you're an unconverted person, you don't want what is right.
00:18:36.000You don't want what God wants for you.
00:18:39.000But churches have decided that in order to be accepted, in order to be popular, in order to be full of people, in order to attract crowds, they've got to give the culture what the culture wants or what the culture tolerates.
00:18:54.000And so they have tolerated all kinds of things.
00:18:56.000This is, I mean, this is the definition of compromise.
00:19:00.000And it comes because there was a shift away from the church being the agency of God that confronts the world to becoming part of the world itself to accommodate the world.
00:19:15.000And if that's your goal, you're on a fast track to go wherever they go.
00:19:20.000Because if your design is to give them what they want and tell them what they want and make them feel good about themselves so you can draw them in, you're going to go where they go.
00:19:31.000And whatever's next, you're going to have to find a way either to be silent about it or eventually even to affirm it.
00:19:39.000And, you know, churches such as yours and so many of my other close friends' churches that take these tough stands, you'll be called names and some people might leave.
00:19:49.000But however, I do think there's a growing interest, though, from the population for truth and not to be lied to and to try to make clarity out of confusion.
00:19:58.000Can you talk a little bit about how God does not want us to be in a state of confusion?
00:20:03.000That is a tactic that is authored by Satan, who is deceitful and the author of lies.
00:20:09.000And if there's someone watching this right now that's in a state of either personal confusion or cultural confusion, you know, a Bible-based church is the answer.
00:20:19.000Yeah, Charlie, look, the church is the pillar and ground of the truth.
00:21:28.000When we opened the church to children well over a year ago after being a little bit careful almost two years ago now with the COVID thing, the first Sunday we opened this church, a thousand elementary kids showed up here.
00:21:45.000They were so weary of being isolated and kept away from school and kept away from their friends.
00:21:49.000And we had balloons and lollipops and there never been any masks or anything like that.
00:21:55.000And we've literally had thousands of children.
00:22:00.000You want to get a family to come to church, win their children, provide a safe and joyful experience for their children.
00:22:08.000So, yeah, I just think telling the truth and Sunday after Sunday after Sunday now for two years, I've tried to tell the truth about what's going on in the world.
00:22:18.000Normally, I might be teaching through the book of Romans, but I've just been doing one sermon after another, navigating the issues that our people are facing.
00:22:27.000And it's just drawn massive amounts of people.
00:22:30.000And of course, then you have live stream and then you have people downloading sermons at a clip of, I think we're at about 2 million a month.
00:22:38.000And it's staggering how people are saying, I want to know the truth.
00:22:44.000And even obviously people who are disturbed, because look, if you're lost and you're deceived and you don't know the truth, there's a huge, huge hunger in your heart.
00:22:56.000Even though you may have chosen a lifestyle, if it's destructive, there's an ache in your heart that wants to know, is this right?
00:23:15.000I visited actually for a pro-life ministry recently, and it was just busting at the seams of just amazing people that were volunteering also for the ministry event, but also just talking about such great things about your leadership and what you've been able to do.
00:23:32.000So, in closing here, I want to just kind of reinforce this message of hope.
00:23:36.000There's a lot of young people that watch this program and listen to our program that are being fed contradictory messages.
00:23:43.000They might be hearing this, but in the back of their ear, they're saying, ah, there's no such thing as absolute truth.
00:23:49.000My college professor told me that you make your own truth, that you kind of just chart your own way, or you just kind of find the middle ground.
00:23:56.000Talk a little bit about that just directly to our nation's young people, the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, lost, confused, childless generation in history.
00:25:52.000I suggest to young people, go to someone who says they're speaking the truth from the word of God and listen and decide if that doesn't have the ring of truth.
00:26:04.000And that isn't, in fact, what your heart cries for in the chaos and the confusion.
00:26:09.000The only way I'll ever know is to hear, because faith in the truth comes by hearing the truth.
00:26:18.000And so many students and young people are just told to reject it, don't even get anywhere near it.
00:26:23.000And just talk for a moment, just the hope of Jesus Christ.
00:26:26.000I know for some people watching this, they've already given their life to the Lord, but we have a lot of followers, Pastor, that follow our organization that are getting closer.
00:26:36.000They're starting to drink from the streams of liberty, but they want to find its source.
00:26:41.000They know there's something that isn't quite fitting in their life, but they're looking for salvation.
00:26:49.000Tell them about the hope of Jesus Christ.
00:26:53.000Well, look, whatever may be wrong with you in terms of your ignorance, whatever may be wrong with you in terms of your economic status or the disappointment in your career or your life or broken relationships are minor details.
00:27:09.000The big issue with you is you're a sinner.
00:28:26.000And what you need more than anything else is to be delivered from eternal death, to be delivered from the power and the presence of your sin.