00:00:00.000Hey, everybody, Jack Pasov again for Charlie Kirk.
00:00:02.000Darren Beattie joins the podcast here to talk about the FBI.
00:00:07.000And then we're also joined by Pedro Gonzalez to answer this question of why it is that Dave Portnoy, the barstool conservatives, man cave conservatives, why is this not threatening to the regime in any way?
00:00:42.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:09.000I want to bring Darren in to talk about the current state of affairs and really get into this overarching question that we've had this week of what to do, what to do with the FBI.
00:01:47.000And unfortunately, it's actually a very difficult question because we can, you know, talk about, oh, we have to totally crush them, we have to totally defund them.
00:01:59.000It's in having the critical mass of people willing to undergo the pretty considerable pain box that the regime can put you in whenever somebody actually steps outside of the playpen that every politician is supposed to stay confined in.
00:02:16.000And every, you know, once you step outside of that playpen, the states get different, the rules are different.
00:02:22.000And understandably, a lot of people are reluctant to do that.
00:02:27.000So I think we have to start with what could realistically be done.
00:02:31.000And I think the space of realistic options increases as a function of public outrage and public pressure.
00:02:40.000So I think number one is, in a way, the raid was a godsend because it's not like the FBI or DOJ is any more corrupt now that the raid happened.
00:02:52.000It's just that more people know how corrupt they are.
00:02:55.000And that increases the leverage that the GOP and Republicans can have should they take Congress in order to not even retaliate.
00:03:06.000It's just in order to bring justice to the situation.
00:03:10.000And so I think we need to keep on the pressure.
00:03:12.000We need to understand that given the way that these institutions are functioning right now, they're really not legitimate institutions.
00:03:20.000These are not legitimate institutions of authority.
00:03:23.000As we just learned from the disastrous result, really outrageous result in the Michigan kidnapping Fed entrapment hoax.
00:03:32.000There's no rule of law anymore in America, at least when the rule of law comes into conflict with the narrative necessities of the regime.
00:03:42.000And so by really understanding that these institutions are not legitimate, I think that creates additional capital and additional possibility space for action.
00:03:54.000Now, what are some actual action items that probably won't happen, but at least should be thrown out there, if only to shame the GOP for not doing them if they don't.
00:04:04.000One thing that I put out there before is GOP is sitting on a lot of money.
00:04:12.000Everybody listening to this program gets the letters constantly begging you for money.
00:04:17.000They're sitting on top of a considerable treasure chest.
00:04:20.000I think what they should do right now is set up a whistleblowers fund, a fund that could actually support, defend, and encourage patriotic people who may be still working for the FBI.
00:04:34.000Look, Mike Pence got in a lot of trouble for saying, oh, the rank and file, the FBI are so patriotic.
00:04:40.000You know, maybe there's a handful still in there who are patriotic.
00:04:47.000So let's give those people the encouragement and the support that they need to come forth and actually begin that difficult process of cleaning house.
00:05:18.000Stephen D'Antoono, the FBI scumbag special agent who oversaw the Michigan kidnapping hoax.
00:05:27.000And of all of the FBI agents that Christopher Ray could have promoted to the coveted DC position, he promotes this guy: subpoena the hell out of Stephen D'Antoono.
00:05:37.000Subpoena the hell out of Christopher Wray.
00:05:43.000And if they don't, make them give an excuse because these excuses also provide avenue for further action.
00:05:51.000And so I think a combination of whistleblower campaign funded by the GOP doesn't even require us to control Congress at this point.
00:06:00.000And secondly, the Republicans take over the House, need to aggressively and specifically in a targeted fashion apply subpoena power to both documents and specific individuals who need to be made the name and the face of the corruption in the FBI.
00:06:19.000And, you know, Sean Hannity had this quote that I think will just live in infamy of sort of the old right versus the new right, where he said, oh, you know, I used to think that it was 99% of the FBI that were good.
00:06:47.000But we're not talking about this weird numbers game.
00:06:50.000We're talking about the actions and the activities that are typically done by the people who are on the leadership track.
00:06:55.000And these are people like the Stephen D'Antono that you've mentioned.
00:06:58.000And that if you know, by the way, that if you're on, and I say this as a prior guy who is in the intelligence community, I've been on the other side of that table.
00:07:04.000If you want to go into the management, if you want to go into the leadership track, if you want to make that, you know, GS13, 14, 15 run all the way up as a special agent, becoming your, you know, the ASAC, and then you become the SAC of an office, special agent in charge of a field office, that you need to perform certain actions and you need to do things that FBI headquarters, the most disgusting building in all of Washington, D.C., wants.
00:08:34.000Am I going to be the fall guy for this?
00:08:36.000You can tell, or at least I can sense from the body language and the intonation and his activities that he's somebody who is very uncomfortable right now, as is, in my opinion, Ray Epps is quite uncomfortable.
00:08:50.000And so there are a lot of these people who are not really kind of professionals in the sense that, you know, even Merrick Garland, you know, Merrick Garland has been a regime janitor for a long time.
00:09:01.000He's in the class of people like Mueller, who have just been around forever and they've been covering up the dirty secrets of the regime forever.
00:09:09.000Merrick Garland goes all the way back to the 90s when he had the domestic extremism portfolio under Clinton and did a lot of a big mop-up job in relation to Oklahoma City case and others.
00:09:21.000And so because you're absolutely right.
00:09:23.000Garland has been one of these guys for a long time.
00:09:51.000You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment.
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00:10:30.000So, Darren, switching gears a little bit with you, that you've got a piece up now at Revolver.news, and you're talking about Dave Portnoy.
00:10:42.000Now, for folks who don't know, Dave Portnoy, he is the head of Barstool News, or he was the head, and then they sold to this online gambling firm years ago, but he's still sort of the figurehead of the organization and one of the founders.
00:10:54.000And in your piece, and we've got the graphic here, it says that Dave Portnoy is embarrassing himself already.
00:11:02.000And you're getting into this thing with between Dave Portnoy and Alex Stein.
00:11:33.000They make it absolutely incredibly accessible, councilman, to be able to take all I have.
00:11:38.000And now I got to go back to Clearwater, Florida, and I have nothing.
00:11:42.000Okay, so he's talking about, you know, gambling and he's making a joke about that.
00:11:45.000And it's sort of a meta joke about that's essentially what Las Vegas is.
00:11:49.000And we have the image up now that you guys made from Revolver.news on Portnoy and signed and this whole bit.
00:11:55.000But let me ask you about this: what is the difference here between what the right, the new right is all about and what barstool conservatism is about?
00:12:22.000And my understanding is the kind of precise genealogy origin of it is meant to sort of convey this demographic, theoretical demographic of people who are basically not socially conservative at all, who are somewhat against wokeness, political correctness, and so forth.
00:12:52.000I would also throw out there man cave conservatism.
00:12:55.000No, that's the image that comes to my mind for sure.
00:12:59.000And that's the part that I find kind of just especially pathetic and offensive is that, you know, my understanding of Portnoy, I do give him credit.
00:13:10.000I think he was against the lockdowns in a big way.
00:13:12.000So anyone of considerable cultural influence, if you're against the lockdowns, I give credit.
00:13:17.000But recently, he's really been representing a lot of embarrassing things.
00:13:23.000He was embarrassed and humiliated by another controversial guy, Andrew Tate.
00:14:16.000And apparently, the barstool sports organization had some rule against mocking gambling because maybe they're involved in that or so forth.
00:14:24.000It's owned or part-owned by an online gambling company.
00:14:28.000So that's my understanding what initiated the whole thing.
00:14:32.000But Portnoy, if to the extent that he's trying to be this kind of edgy hip guy for the youth, if you're going to do that, at least be edgy and hip.
00:14:41.000And the whole imagery of, you know, the sports guy, the barstool sports guy, the fat guy in a sports jersey, this is not going to be any kind of threat to the regime.
00:14:52.000You know, there's a reason the regime's going to go after Alex Stein and the regime's going to go after Andrew Tate, two of his most recent MSCs, for different reasons.
00:15:02.000But ultimately, the regime is very comfortable with somebody like Portnoy, who's all just about beer and cheerleaders and getting fat and watching sports.
00:15:28.000I think that's the key word: there's nothing subversive about what Portnoy is offering.
00:15:33.000It's simply just docile and acquiescing to the regime the same way as if like one of these suburban men whose wife has made a man cave for them.
00:15:42.000I don't know if any pictures of that, but that'll have to be maybe my next submission to Revolver, man cave conservatism.
00:17:28.000Well, I think a part of it is that regardless of what David Portnoy says, because he tries to kind of weasel his way out of controversy by saying, I'm not political.
00:17:38.000You know, I just want to drink beer and eat chicken wings and kind of parrot all of these distinctly liberal and left-wing views on things like abortion and stuff like that.
00:17:48.000Portnoy has been promoted to conservatives as a kind of model, right?
00:17:54.000Basically, if the right wants to win the culture war, it has to learn to coexist with so-called barstool conservatism.
00:18:02.000And Portnoy is obviously the leader of that.
00:18:06.000And I think one way to put it is man cave conservatism, right?
00:18:09.000Basically, you accept pretty much all of the progressive planks of faith on things like abortion and whatever and liberal feminism, because Portnoy has made it a point to kind of make himself this like weird, I like to eat wings and drink beer, but I'm also like all about women's rights and I respect women, which is, you know, that's setting aside all the controversies that he's had with women accusing him of actually being pretty violent and abusive.
00:18:40.000The fact is, is that Portnoy has been promoted to us as someone who we have to basically coexist with and compromise with, compromise ourselves with, right?
00:18:49.000And I think that's why him imploding before Alex Stein has been so fantastic.
00:18:55.000And especially because this seems to have happened over basically Portnoy saying, I draw the line about making jokes regarding gambling, about problem gambling.
00:19:06.000And what's really interesting about this is that he didn't say it's because they're wrong.
00:19:10.000He suggested it's because of barstool sports being affiliated with this casino enterprise, Pennsylvania something, right?
00:19:18.000He got something like a $500 million paycheck from them.
00:19:22.000So it's not even like, hey, look, I think problem gambling isn't funny because it's something that affects people's lives and ruins lives, but it's because of my business relationship.
00:19:32.000In other words, the guy is a total scumbag.
00:19:35.000And all of the conservatives who have been telling people like me, you need help from Portnoi to win the culture war, they have a massive and deserved egg on their face right now.
00:19:46.000Well, and so this does kind of get to the crux of the matter, though, because you actually have to be a conservative and you have to stand up for conservative values at some point.
00:19:57.000I mean, you can't be sitting there criticizing, what is it, the Finnish prime minister for twerking and partying and not just, I mean, being on men's laps and dancing out there at a time where she's talking about the grave threats to Finland.
00:20:15.000Imagine having people like this in charge of your country if you were actually being invaded by the Russians, by the Russian military, facing off against them in another winter war scenario.
00:20:25.000But then at the same token, that it seems like when you put pressure on these guys, like we saw with Fortnite in this situation, as Darren Beattie, who was just on before you said, it's when they go into the pain box, they can't handle it.
00:20:45.000This idea that you're this suburban man and the only masculinity that's available to you or that's allowed to you under our current situation, our current situation, our current system, is you can drink beer, you can watch sports, you can have a even have a cigar maybe, play your video games.
00:21:03.000And it's, it's within the confines of the man cave that the wife lets you have.
00:21:08.000And you can actually go, I was looking at this up last night.
00:21:11.000I just looked up man caves and it's like, but it's all female signaled.
00:21:17.000You know, there's like a picture of, you know, Bobby's man cave and a picture of beer clinking.
00:21:22.000And that's, those aren't masculine virtues.
00:21:44.000Well, I think that's an important point.
00:21:46.000Basically, you have agreed to have basically a kind of daycare area where you can go and be a man in this really sterilized, devitalized way in your corner or often literally in your basement out of sight, right?
00:22:10.000I mean, that's the irony of the man cave is in many ways, it is a kind of kids' table where you do things that actually degenerate yourself as a man.
00:22:36.000You're watching other men do things instead of, you know, improving yourself as a man, whether it's being father, being a father or whatever your profession is.
00:22:46.000You're actually kind of just detaching from masculinity, but you're doing it in a sad basement environment that resembles your run-of-the-mill commercial sports bar, right?
00:22:59.000So the idea is that you're, you know, and by the way, even if you're at, you know, at a sports bar or a corner bar or a town bar, at least you're out and you're getting involved in some kind of community.
00:23:10.000You're engaging in some kind of communal act, but they're trying to tear that away from everybody now.
00:23:15.000They're trying to tear away the social fabrics.
00:23:18.000They've even taken those away and they want you to just sit in your quote unquote man cave.
00:23:22.000I love what you call it, the daycare center for adults.
00:23:25.000And that's, you know, that's where you get to have it's a Sunday afternoon.
00:23:28.000And it's part of, or it can be part of, this idea of an extended adolescence where adolescence never quite ends, and that you never lean into just being an adult and taking responsibility for things happening.
00:23:43.000Look, I've got two kids, I got a four-year-old and a one-year-old.
00:23:47.000That is going to be your responsibility, and there's nothing that's ever going to slough that off.
00:23:51.000And I think that, by the way, to make this a little more newsy, you could also talk about the fact that this is where the student loan forgiveness comes in, because they don't want people to have to actually face the consequences of any of their actions.
00:24:06.000And I'm not going to sit here and defend the student loan programs of the Obama administration, the Pell brands.
00:24:26.000And like you, I see the bigger picture here.
00:24:30.000And that's on the one hand, these loans are predatory.
00:24:34.000College isn't for everyone, and we shouldn't pretend that it is.
00:24:37.000There are some people that would be better off served going to like trade schools and things like that.
00:24:41.000There are some people who would be better off probably going to college.
00:24:44.000But the system right now basically pushes people into these universities and taking out loans that we know ahead of time that they probably can't pay back or that they're going to spend a good part of their life paying back or whatever.
00:24:56.000And I understand the frustration on the right and among Republicans, Republican voters, that is, with the idea of basically having to subsidize something like the top 60% of earners, because right now that is what is estimated that the people that are going to benefit from this, people that are toward the, let's say, upper crust of society, right?
00:25:18.000But on the other hand, it's really difficult to not see how Republican politicians, I'm not talking about middle Americans, the people that have to foot the bill here.
00:25:27.000I'm talking about politicians who are complaining about fiscal responsibility when it comes to student loan debt.
00:25:32.000At the same time, that their key talking point about Biden is that he's not giving Ukraine enough aid.
00:25:38.000I mean, I really can't get this out of my head, right?
00:25:40.000I can't see tweets from Ted Cruz and John Cornyn talking about Democrat socialism, student loan forgiveness, at the same time that they're helping Democrats and Biden pour billions of dollars into this Ukraine grift.
00:25:55.000In the last six months, the United States has approved, I think, around $60 billion in aid to Ukraine.
00:26:03.000The New York Times ran a story maybe one or two months ago, and at that point, we had approved $54 billion.
00:26:12.000And since then, there has been another billion, another few hundred million, another billion approved.
00:26:18.000Like another aid package was just approved that's also in the billions.
00:26:22.000So at the same time, the Republicans are saying, you know, this is socialism, it's stealing from the middle class and giving it to the rich.
00:26:29.000What do you call giving billions of dollars to a corrupt kleptocracy in Eastern Europe that's no less corrupt than Russia and lining the pockets of defense contractors and corrupt politicians?
00:26:41.000I mean, we're going to look back on this and really see it for what it is right now, which is a crime against Americans.
00:26:48.000But Republicans don't really have a problem with that.
00:27:19.000And you see these rudimentary checkpoints when we went through the Ukrainian checkpoints, very rudimentary.
00:27:26.000you know, there weren't tanks all over the place or anything like this.
00:27:29.000And we have that quote CBS did the report that only 30 to 40 percent of the weapons, the actual munitions that are heading over actually end up in the hands of people fighting against the Russian military.
00:27:41.000So obviously, of course, there's people who are cutting this off the middle.
00:27:44.000But I do want to get back into this idea with you because I find it fascinating.
00:27:49.000This, this, I think it's a false, I think it's a false offer that they're offering you this idea that you can go to college for free and then you can get this great job.
00:27:58.000You don't have to worry about your debt and everything will be fine.
00:28:12.000It's really a kind of long summer of adolescence, except one day you wake up and you realize that you're childless and that when you're gone, there's nothing to remember you by.
00:28:26.000And I think that's actually really horrifying.
00:28:29.000And an entire generation of people, my generation, millennials, will, I think, in the next few years, actually have to come to grips with this as more of us enter, you know, basically middle age.
00:28:41.000What do you have to show for it, right?
00:28:54.000And yeah, I mean, it is, I actually feel bad for these people in many ways.
00:28:59.000We were talking about this idea, you know, what you said.
00:29:01.000It was essentially this idea of the never-ending summertime, the extended adolescence, and that millennials now are getting to the point where millennials are looking at 40.
00:29:12.000You know, your elder millennials already are 40.
00:29:15.000And suddenly they're asking themselves if partying for their entire lives and becoming and being childless, not having families.
00:29:23.000And that's not, by the way, to point out the fact that there weren't massive forces like we're seeing here with the infantilization and we're seeing here with these debt reduction and debt schemes for student loans, which were all set up by the Obama administration, Wall Street and many others getting in on this.
00:29:45.000And now they're starting to realize that the bill that's going to, here's what it is.
00:29:50.000I have a senior chief when I was in the Navy at one point, actually, when I was at Guantanamo, and he said to me, at the end of the day, you could serve 20 years in the Navy, so 30 years, you can go do whatever you want, you'll work for federal government, but at the end of the day, they will give you a gold watch, they'll give you your retirement, and they'll send you off.
00:30:41.000On the one hand, you do have people that kind of wake up from this.
00:30:43.000And I think you're seeing this, at least most prominently, among some millennial women who are starting to kind of write to these regrets of basically spending their youth partying and being promiscuous.
00:31:12.000But then on the other hand, there's another aspect to this.
00:31:14.000And there's people that I think who will, instead of kind of accepting like, okay, I've wasted a good chunk of my life because I bought into this lie, this libertine lie, I think instead it becomes resentment that turns outwards.
00:31:28.000And these are the kinds of people that will never have kids, but will support things like, you know, like basically they seek surrogacy through left-wing politics.
00:32:05.000And on the other hand, you do, I think, see this connection between radical politics and basically a generation of people who are deeply angry at the fact that they know deep down that they've wasted their lives.
00:32:18.000There was, I got into it, by the way, with the creator of Sex in the City over this a couple of months ago.
00:32:25.000And I did a long form podcast around Christmas time with Alex Clark, who does spillover for Turning Point USA.
00:32:31.000And it was the creator, I forgot her name on the top of it, Candace something.
00:32:35.000And she had said once years ago, she said, I'm now 60 and I regret choosing career and not having children.