The Charlie Kirk Show - Man Cave Conservatism with Darren Beattie and Pedro Gonzalez

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, Jack Pasov again for Charlie Kirk.

00:00:02.000 Darren Beattie joins the podcast here to talk about the FBI.

00:00:07.000 And then we're also joined by Pedro Gonzalez to answer this question of why it is that Dave Portnoy, the barstool conservatives, man cave conservatives, why is this not threatening to the regime in any way?

00:00:20.000 We're going to dig into it.

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00:01:06.000 Darren Beattie from Revolver News.

00:01:09.000 I want to bring Darren in to talk about the current state of affairs and really get into this overarching question that we've had this week of what to do, what to do with the FBI.

00:01:18.000 We have them.

00:01:19.000 We're getting a majority.

00:01:20.000 What should be done?

00:01:21.000 Darren, welcome to the program.

00:01:23.000 Great to be here.

00:01:24.000 Thanks for having me.

00:01:25.000 And so we could go through.

00:01:27.000 Look, we can go through Whitmer.

00:01:28.000 We can go through the fact that they're not protecting congresswoman like Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:01:32.000 We can go through January 6th.

00:01:33.000 But the question I think that's before us isn't so much about what the situation is.

00:01:37.000 I think we understand what the situation is with the FBI.

00:01:40.000 The question now is: what's the action?

00:01:42.000 What action can we take and what action should we take?

00:01:44.000 And I'd love to get your take on that.

00:01:46.000 It is a great question.

00:01:47.000 And unfortunately, it's actually a very difficult question because we can, you know, talk about, oh, we have to totally crush them, we have to totally defund them.

00:01:56.000 But the devil is in the details.

00:01:58.000 It's in the implementation.

00:01:59.000 It's in having the critical mass of people willing to undergo the pretty considerable pain box that the regime can put you in whenever somebody actually steps outside of the playpen that every politician is supposed to stay confined in.

00:02:16.000 And every, you know, once you step outside of that playpen, the states get different, the rules are different.

00:02:22.000 And understandably, a lot of people are reluctant to do that.

00:02:27.000 So I think we have to start with what could realistically be done.

00:02:31.000 And I think the space of realistic options increases as a function of public outrage and public pressure.

00:02:40.000 So I think number one is, in a way, the raid was a godsend because it's not like the FBI or DOJ is any more corrupt now that the raid happened.

00:02:52.000 It's just that more people know how corrupt they are.

00:02:55.000 And that increases the leverage that the GOP and Republicans can have should they take Congress in order to not even retaliate.

00:03:05.000 It's not like a retaliation.

00:03:06.000 It's just in order to bring justice to the situation.

00:03:10.000 And so I think we need to keep on the pressure.

00:03:12.000 We need to understand that given the way that these institutions are functioning right now, they're really not legitimate institutions.

00:03:20.000 These are not legitimate institutions of authority.

00:03:23.000 As we just learned from the disastrous result, really outrageous result in the Michigan kidnapping Fed entrapment hoax.

00:03:32.000 There's no rule of law anymore in America, at least when the rule of law comes into conflict with the narrative necessities of the regime.

00:03:42.000 And so by really understanding that these institutions are not legitimate, I think that creates additional capital and additional possibility space for action.

00:03:54.000 Now, what are some actual action items that probably won't happen, but at least should be thrown out there, if only to shame the GOP for not doing them if they don't.

00:04:04.000 One thing that I put out there before is GOP is sitting on a lot of money.

00:04:10.000 You get the letters.

00:04:11.000 I get the letters.

00:04:12.000 Everybody listening to this program gets the letters constantly begging you for money.

00:04:17.000 They're sitting on top of a considerable treasure chest.

00:04:20.000 I think what they should do right now is set up a whistleblowers fund, a fund that could actually support, defend, and encourage patriotic people who may be still working for the FBI.

00:04:34.000 Look, Mike Pence got in a lot of trouble for saying, oh, the rank and file, the FBI are so patriotic.

00:04:40.000 You know, maybe there's a handful still in there who are patriotic.

00:04:43.000 I assume there is.

00:04:45.000 Some, I assume, are good people.

00:04:47.000 So let's give those people the encouragement and the support that they need to come forth and actually begin that difficult process of cleaning house.

00:04:56.000 Whistleblowers can be very important. 1.00

00:04:58.000 The GOP should do that.

00:05:00.000 Secondly, I think if the GOP wins the house, it should very aggressively use subpoena power.

00:05:06.000 And in order to aggressively use subpoena power, you need to know specific names and specific documents you want to go after.

00:05:13.000 That's why it's helpful.

00:05:14.000 We have a name, Stephen D'Antoono. 0.81

00:05:18.000 Stephen D'Antoono, the FBI scumbag special agent who oversaw the Michigan kidnapping hoax.

00:05:27.000 And of all of the FBI agents that Christopher Ray could have promoted to the coveted DC position, he promotes this guy: subpoena the hell out of Stephen D'Antoono. 0.82

00:05:37.000 Subpoena the hell out of Christopher Wray.

00:05:40.000 Subpoena Merrick Garland.

00:05:41.000 Make them produce the documents.

00:05:43.000 And if they don't, make them give an excuse because these excuses also provide avenue for further action.

00:05:51.000 And so I think a combination of whistleblower campaign funded by the GOP doesn't even require us to control Congress at this point.

00:06:00.000 And secondly, the Republicans take over the House, need to aggressively and specifically in a targeted fashion apply subpoena power to both documents and specific individuals who need to be made the name and the face of the corruption in the FBI.

00:06:18.000 No, I think you're right.

00:06:19.000 And, you know, Sean Hannity had this quote that I think will just live in infamy of sort of the old right versus the new right, where he said, oh, you know, I used to think that it was 99% of the FBI that were good.

00:06:31.000 Maybe now it's only 95%.

00:06:34.000 No, you know, Sean.

00:06:38.000 You know, it's just this indicative of the problem that we're in is that, yeah, are there good people there?

00:06:45.000 Sure, of course.

00:06:46.000 Yes, obviously.

00:06:47.000 But we're not talking about this weird numbers game.

00:06:50.000 We're talking about the actions and the activities that are typically done by the people who are on the leadership track.

00:06:55.000 And these are people like the Stephen D'Antono that you've mentioned.

00:06:58.000 And that if you know, by the way, that if you're on, and I say this as a prior guy who is in the intelligence community, I've been on the other side of that table.

00:07:04.000 If you want to go into the management, if you want to go into the leadership track, if you want to make that, you know, GS13, 14, 15 run all the way up as a special agent, becoming your, you know, the ASAC, and then you become the SAC of an office, special agent in charge of a field office, that you need to perform certain actions and you need to do things that FBI headquarters, the most disgusting building in all of Washington, D.C., wants.

00:07:30.000 Absolutely.

00:07:31.000 And Stephen D'Antona is such a perfect example of this. 0.99

00:07:35.000 He's just such a perfect scumbag of the sort that you would expect. 0.71

00:07:40.000 He's like, I can't decide whether he's bebop or rock steady, but he has that role to the shredder of the shredder of Merritt Garland. 1.00

00:07:51.000 He's just some dumb guy that they know that they can count on to be a dumb dog and do what they tell him. 1.00

00:07:57.000 And he has the guilty face of a dumb dog who knows that he did something wrong. 1.00

00:08:02.000 He, you know, it takes a certain type of individual. 0.99

00:08:07.000 Even the judge is starting to kind of walk this back saying, well, this is unprecedented.

00:08:11.000 And maybe we shouldn't have done this.

00:08:13.000 And maybe I shouldn't have just rubber stamped all of it.

00:08:16.000 And D'Antuono is in so deep now.

00:08:18.000 He can't get out. 0.60

00:08:19.000 And, you know, certain people are just pure killers.

00:08:22.000 Like Hillary Clinton is not losing sleep over anything that she's doing. 0.98

00:08:27.000 But someone like Steven D'Antuono, he's kind of in over his head.

00:08:30.000 He's too deep now.

00:08:31.000 He's like, I'm worried.

00:08:33.000 I might be expendable.

00:08:34.000 Am I going to be the fall guy for this?

00:08:36.000 You can tell, or at least I can sense from the body language and the intonation and his activities that he's somebody who is very uncomfortable right now, as is, in my opinion, Ray Epps is quite uncomfortable.

00:08:50.000 And so there are a lot of these people who are not really kind of professionals in the sense that, you know, even Merrick Garland, you know, Merrick Garland has been a regime janitor for a long time.

00:09:01.000 He's in the class of people like Mueller, who have just been around forever and they've been covering up the dirty secrets of the regime forever.

00:09:09.000 Merrick Garland goes all the way back to the 90s when he had the domestic extremism portfolio under Clinton and did a lot of a big mop-up job in relation to Oklahoma City case and others.

00:09:21.000 And so because you're absolutely right.

00:09:23.000 Garland has been one of these guys for a long time.

00:09:25.000 He was in the Richards.

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00:10:30.000 So, Darren, switching gears a little bit with you, that you've got a piece up now at Revolver.news, and you're talking about Dave Portnoy.

00:10:42.000 Now, for folks who don't know, Dave Portnoy, he is the head of Barstool News, or he was the head, and then they sold to this online gambling firm years ago, but he's still sort of the figurehead of the organization and one of the founders.

00:10:54.000 And in your piece, and we've got the graphic here, it says that Dave Portnoy is embarrassing himself already.

00:11:02.000 And you're getting into this thing with between Dave Portnoy and Alex Stein.

00:11:09.000 And I think we have Clip 60.

00:11:11.000 We actually have a clip of Alex, a comedian, right-wing comedian, Alex Stein, getting into it.

00:11:16.000 Not even with Portnoy, but he had some comments at, I think it was a Las Vegas City Council meeting.

00:11:21.000 So play Clip 60, guys.

00:11:23.000 And I get fed alcohol and I get entirely way too intoxicated.

00:11:27.000 I go to the ATM, I use my credit card.

00:11:29.000 They make it very accessible to be able to gamble in my credit card.

00:11:32.000 You know this, Mary Goodman.

00:11:33.000 They make it absolutely incredibly accessible, councilman, to be able to take all I have.

00:11:38.000 And now I got to go back to Clearwater, Florida, and I have nothing.

00:11:42.000 Okay, so he's talking about, you know, gambling and he's making a joke about that.

00:11:45.000 And it's sort of a meta joke about that's essentially what Las Vegas is.

00:11:49.000 And we have the image up now that you guys made from Revolver.news on Portnoy and signed and this whole bit.

00:11:55.000 But let me ask you about this: what is the difference here between what the right, the new right is all about and what barstool conservatism is about?

00:12:05.000 And why did this incident?

00:12:07.000 We've got a couple of minutes left.

00:12:08.000 Why did this incident really highlight that?

00:12:11.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:12:13.000 And to be perfectly honest, the term itself, barstool conservative, is quite new to me.

00:12:20.000 I'm just learning about it.

00:12:22.000 And my understanding is the kind of precise genealogy origin of it is meant to sort of convey this demographic, theoretical demographic of people who are basically not socially conservative at all, who are somewhat against wokeness, political correctness, and so forth.

00:12:46.000 So fair enough.

00:12:47.000 But yeah, abortion, that kind of thing. 1.00

00:12:50.000 So fair enough.

00:12:52.000 I would also throw out there man cave conservatism.

00:12:55.000 No, that's the image that comes to my mind for sure. 0.70

00:12:59.000 And that's the part that I find kind of just especially pathetic and offensive is that, you know, my understanding of Portnoy, I do give him credit.

00:13:10.000 I think he was against the lockdowns in a big way.

00:13:12.000 So anyone of considerable cultural influence, if you're against the lockdowns, I give credit.

00:13:17.000 But recently, he's really been representing a lot of embarrassing things.

00:13:23.000 He was embarrassed and humiliated by another controversial guy, Andrew Tate.

00:13:29.000 He looked very weak.

00:13:32.000 He didn't look like anything a young person would want to be associated with.

00:13:37.000 And now with Alex Stein, we have this up-and-coming, really funny guy who's fearless.

00:13:44.000 Like, you know, he confronts AOC.

00:13:46.000 He confronts a lot of people in a very funny way.

00:13:49.000 And he has the guts to do it.

00:13:51.000 And he has this shtick where he goes to different, you know, town councils and does raps and things like this.

00:13:57.000 This one was about, he was a Scientologist who went to Las Vegas and got broke gambling.

00:14:03.000 And but he commended the Las Vegas Council because he saw so many people, you know, taking the vaccine at 3 a.m.

00:14:10.000 Of course, he was referring to a drug problem there.

00:14:14.000 So it was just funny stuff.

00:14:16.000 And apparently, the barstool sports organization had some rule against mocking gambling because maybe they're involved in that or so forth.

00:14:24.000 It's owned or part-owned by an online gambling company.

00:14:27.000 There you go.

00:14:28.000 So that's my understanding what initiated the whole thing.

00:14:32.000 But Portnoy, if to the extent that he's trying to be this kind of edgy hip guy for the youth, if you're going to do that, at least be edgy and hip.

00:14:41.000 And the whole imagery of, you know, the sports guy, the barstool sports guy, the fat guy in a sports jersey, this is not going to be any kind of threat to the regime.

00:14:52.000 You know, there's a reason the regime's going to go after Alex Stein and the regime's going to go after Andrew Tate, two of his most recent MSCs, for different reasons.

00:15:01.000 They're different archetypes.

00:15:02.000 But ultimately, the regime is very comfortable with somebody like Portnoy, who's all just about beer and cheerleaders and getting fat and watching sports.

00:15:11.000 There's nothing cool about that.

00:15:13.000 It shouldn't be something that young people are getting involved with.

00:15:17.000 And I think when presented with actual funny and talented and subversive alternatives, young people know the right decision.

00:15:26.000 And so I think that's pretty much.

00:15:28.000 I think that's the key word: there's nothing subversive about what Portnoy is offering.

00:15:33.000 It's simply just docile and acquiescing to the regime the same way as if like one of these suburban men whose wife has made a man cave for them.

00:15:42.000 I don't know if any pictures of that, but that'll have to be maybe my next submission to Revolver, man cave conservatism.

00:15:49.000 Thanks so much, Darren B.

00:15:50.000 The website is revolver.news.

00:15:52.000 Follow him, follow everything that he's doing.

00:15:54.000 They put him in the pain box on a weekly basis.

00:15:56.000 Thank you.

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00:16:57.000 This question of barstool conservatism, I've called it man cave conservatism.

00:17:03.000 This idea essentially that you could be, you know, you're a physical conservative, but you're social liberal, right?

00:17:09.000 Or social libertine.

00:17:11.000 And I want to bring in our next guest, Pedro Gonzalez, who's an editor over Chronicles magazine.

00:17:16.000 This is something that he talks about a lot.

00:17:19.000 And Pedro, let me get, if I can, your just sort of overall take on why this controversy has erupted to the point where it has.

00:17:27.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 Well, I think a part of it is that regardless of what David Portnoy says, because he tries to kind of weasel his way out of controversy by saying, I'm not political.

00:17:37.000 I'm just a sports guy.

00:17:38.000 You know, I just want to drink beer and eat chicken wings and kind of parrot all of these distinctly liberal and left-wing views on things like abortion and stuff like that.

00:17:48.000 Portnoy has been promoted to conservatives as a kind of model, right?

00:17:54.000 Basically, if the right wants to win the culture war, it has to learn to coexist with so-called barstool conservatism.

00:18:02.000 And Portnoy is obviously the leader of that.

00:18:04.000 But what is barstool conservatism?

00:18:06.000 And I think one way to put it is man cave conservatism, right?

00:18:09.000 Basically, you accept pretty much all of the progressive planks of faith on things like abortion and whatever and liberal feminism, because Portnoy has made it a point to kind of make himself this like weird, I like to eat wings and drink beer, but I'm also like all about women's rights and I respect women, which is, you know, that's setting aside all the controversies that he's had with women accusing him of actually being pretty violent and abusive.

00:18:40.000 The fact is, is that Portnoy has been promoted to us as someone who we have to basically coexist with and compromise with, compromise ourselves with, right?

00:18:49.000 And I think that's why him imploding before Alex Stein has been so fantastic.

00:18:55.000 And especially because this seems to have happened over basically Portnoy saying, I draw the line about making jokes regarding gambling, about problem gambling.

00:19:06.000 And what's really interesting about this is that he didn't say it's because they're wrong.

00:19:10.000 He suggested it's because of barstool sports being affiliated with this casino enterprise, Pennsylvania something, right?

00:19:18.000 He got something like a $500 million paycheck from them.

00:19:22.000 So it's not even like, hey, look, I think problem gambling isn't funny because it's something that affects people's lives and ruins lives, but it's because of my business relationship. 1.00

00:19:32.000 In other words, the guy is a total scumbag. 1.00

00:19:34.000 He's a sleaze. 1.00

00:19:35.000 And all of the conservatives who have been telling people like me, you need help from Portnoi to win the culture war, they have a massive and deserved egg on their face right now.

00:19:44.000 And it's great to watch.

00:19:46.000 Well, and so this does kind of get to the crux of the matter, though, because you actually have to be a conservative and you have to stand up for conservative values at some point.

00:19:57.000 I mean, you can't be sitting there criticizing, what is it, the Finnish prime minister for twerking and partying and not just, I mean, being on men's laps and dancing out there at a time where she's talking about the grave threats to Finland.

00:20:12.000 That's why we have to join NATO.

00:20:13.000 And, you know, no idea.

00:20:15.000 Imagine having people like this in charge of your country if you were actually being invaded by the Russians, by the Russian military, facing off against them in another winter war scenario.

00:20:23.000 And that's your leader.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

00:20:25.000 But then at the same token, that it seems like when you put pressure on these guys, like we saw with Fortnite in this situation, as Darren Beattie, who was just on before you said, it's when they go into the pain box, they can't handle it.

00:20:38.000 They can't stand it.

00:20:39.000 And I think this we're teeing on something.

00:20:43.000 I called it man cave conservatism.

00:20:45.000 This idea that you're this suburban man and the only masculinity that's available to you or that's allowed to you under our current situation, our current situation, our current system, is you can drink beer, you can watch sports, you can have a even have a cigar maybe, play your video games.

00:21:03.000 And it's, it's within the confines of the man cave that the wife lets you have. 0.99

00:21:08.000 And you can actually go, I was looking at this up last night.

00:21:11.000 I just looked up man caves and it's like, but it's all female signaled. 1.00

00:21:17.000 You know, there's like a picture of, you know, Bobby's man cave and a picture of beer clinking.

00:21:22.000 And that's, those aren't masculine virtues.

00:21:24.000 I mean, there's nothing.

00:21:25.000 I'm not going to say that, you know, there's nothing, you know, if you want to watch a sports game, watch a sports game.

00:21:29.000 But the idea that you should center an entire section of your life around these things.

00:21:34.000 No, go be a father, right?

00:21:36.000 Go raise your children.

00:21:38.000 Go better yourself.

00:21:39.000 These are, these are hobbies or recreational pursuits.

00:21:42.000 This isn't something you should center your life around.

00:21:44.000 Right.

00:21:44.000 Well, I think that's an important point.

00:21:46.000 Basically, you have agreed to have basically a kind of daycare area where you can go and be a man in this really sterilized, devitalized way in your corner or often literally in your basement out of sight, right?

00:22:00.000 I mean, it's really infantilizing.

00:22:04.000 And there's actually nothing vital about it.

00:22:06.000 There's nothing masculine about it.

00:22:09.000 It's kind of like the kids' table.

00:22:10.000 I mean, that's the irony of the man cave is in many ways, it is a kind of kids' table where you do things that actually degenerate yourself as a man.

00:22:20.000 You're watching sports.

00:22:22.000 You're not actually participating in sports and doing things to take care of your mind and body.

00:22:27.000 And in many ways, you're actually just kind of poisoning yourself, right?

00:22:31.000 I mean, I've compared excessive sports watching to watching pornography.

00:22:35.000 I actually think it's really similar.

00:22:36.000 You're watching other men do things instead of, you know, improving yourself as a man, whether it's being father, being a father or whatever your profession is.

00:22:46.000 You're actually kind of just detaching from masculinity, but you're doing it in a sad basement environment that resembles your run-of-the-mill commercial sports bar, right?

00:22:58.000 Right.

00:22:59.000 So the idea is that you're, you know, and by the way, even if you're at, you know, at a sports bar or a corner bar or a town bar, at least you're out and you're getting involved in some kind of community.

00:23:10.000 You're engaging in some kind of communal act, but they're trying to tear that away from everybody now.

00:23:15.000 They're trying to tear away the social fabrics.

00:23:18.000 They've even taken those away and they want you to just sit in your quote unquote man cave.

00:23:22.000 I love what you call it, the daycare center for adults.

00:23:25.000 And that's, you know, that's where you get to have it's a Sunday afternoon.

00:23:28.000 And it's part of, or it can be part of, this idea of an extended adolescence where adolescence never quite ends, and that you never lean into just being an adult and taking responsibility for things happening.

00:23:43.000 Look, I've got two kids, I got a four-year-old and a one-year-old.

00:23:45.000 And guess what?

00:23:46.000 That's your responsibility.

00:23:47.000 That is going to be your responsibility, and there's nothing that's ever going to slough that off.

00:23:51.000 And I think that, by the way, to make this a little more newsy, you could also talk about the fact that this is where the student loan forgiveness comes in, because they don't want people to have to actually face the consequences of any of their actions.

00:24:06.000 And I'm not going to sit here and defend the student loan programs of the Obama administration, the Pell brands.

00:24:12.000 They're absolutely predatory.

00:24:13.000 But now we've got a situation where they're putting you in the predatory, they're putting you in the predatory loans.

00:24:18.000 They're telling you you have to do this.

00:24:20.000 And then they take the loans off of you and put that on working class people. 0.92

00:24:24.000 Yeah.

00:24:24.000 No, I think that's right.

00:24:26.000 And like you, I see the bigger picture here.

00:24:30.000 And that's on the one hand, these loans are predatory.

00:24:34.000 College isn't for everyone, and we shouldn't pretend that it is.

00:24:37.000 There are some people that would be better off served going to like trade schools and things like that.

00:24:41.000 There are some people who would be better off probably going to college.

00:24:44.000 But the system right now basically pushes people into these universities and taking out loans that we know ahead of time that they probably can't pay back or that they're going to spend a good part of their life paying back or whatever.

00:24:56.000 And I understand the frustration on the right and among Republicans, Republican voters, that is, with the idea of basically having to subsidize something like the top 60% of earners, because right now that is what is estimated that the people that are going to benefit from this, people that are toward the, let's say, upper crust of society, right?

00:25:18.000 But on the other hand, it's really difficult to not see how Republican politicians, I'm not talking about middle Americans, the people that have to foot the bill here.

00:25:27.000 I'm talking about politicians who are complaining about fiscal responsibility when it comes to student loan debt.

00:25:32.000 At the same time, that their key talking point about Biden is that he's not giving Ukraine enough aid.

00:25:38.000 I mean, I really can't get this out of my head, right?

00:25:40.000 I can't see tweets from Ted Cruz and John Cornyn talking about Democrat socialism, student loan forgiveness, at the same time that they're helping Democrats and Biden pour billions of dollars into this Ukraine grift.

00:25:55.000 In the last six months, the United States has approved, I think, around $60 billion in aid to Ukraine.

00:26:03.000 The New York Times ran a story maybe one or two months ago, and at that point, we had approved $54 billion.

00:26:12.000 And since then, there has been another billion, another few hundred million, another billion approved.

00:26:17.000 It seems like every week, right?

00:26:18.000 Like another aid package was just approved that's also in the billions.

00:26:22.000 So at the same time, the Republicans are saying, you know, this is socialism, it's stealing from the middle class and giving it to the rich.

00:26:29.000 What do you call giving billions of dollars to a corrupt kleptocracy in Eastern Europe that's no less corrupt than Russia and lining the pockets of defense contractors and corrupt politicians? 0.64

00:26:41.000 I mean, we're going to look back on this and really see it for what it is right now, which is a crime against Americans.

00:26:48.000 But Republicans don't really have a problem with that.

00:26:51.000 Right, Pedro.

00:26:51.000 And I came back, I went there with my brother.

00:26:55.000 We visited, we went all the way down to Odessa.

00:26:58.000 We went to Nikolaev, where we're also seeing some advancements from the Russian military now, from Kherson up to Mikolaev.

00:27:06.000 And I remember when we were going through there, and the one thing my brother said was, you know, where are all the American flags?

00:27:14.000 Where's the $60 billion?

00:27:16.000 Joe, where is it?

00:27:18.000 Where is this money?

00:27:19.000 And you see these rudimentary checkpoints when we went through the Ukrainian checkpoints, very rudimentary.

00:27:26.000 you know, there weren't tanks all over the place or anything like this.

00:27:29.000 And we have that quote CBS did the report that only 30 to 40 percent of the weapons, the actual munitions that are heading over actually end up in the hands of people fighting against the Russian military.

00:27:41.000 So obviously, of course, there's people who are cutting this off the middle.

00:27:44.000 But I do want to get back into this idea with you because I find it fascinating.

00:27:49.000 This, this, I think it's a false, I think it's a false offer that they're offering you this idea that you can go to college for free and then you can get this great job.

00:27:58.000 You don't have to worry about your debt and everything will be fine.

00:28:00.000 And just go down to your man cave.

00:28:02.000 Don't do anything that would upset the apple cart.

00:28:05.000 Just go about life the way it is.

00:28:06.000 I mean, that's that's Brave New World.

00:28:08.000 That's Huxleyism.

00:28:09.000 That's not living.

00:28:11.000 No, that's totally right.

00:28:12.000 It's really a kind of long summer of adolescence, except one day you wake up and you realize that you're childless and that when you're gone, there's nothing to remember you by.

00:28:26.000 And I think that's actually really horrifying.

00:28:29.000 And an entire generation of people, my generation, millennials, will, I think, in the next few years, actually have to come to grips with this as more of us enter, you know, basically middle age.

00:28:41.000 What do you have to show for it, right?

00:28:43.000 Your adult daycare center.

00:28:46.000 But that's it.

00:28:47.000 You have no legacy.

00:28:48.000 You have these pieces of paper that you went into debt for.

00:28:51.000 You have a pointless job.

00:28:54.000 And yeah, I mean, it is, I actually feel bad for these people in many ways.

00:28:59.000 We were talking about this idea, you know, what you said.

00:29:01.000 It was essentially this idea of the never-ending summertime, the extended adolescence, and that millennials now are getting to the point where millennials are looking at 40.

00:29:12.000 You know, your elder millennials already are 40.

00:29:15.000 And suddenly they're asking themselves if partying for their entire lives and becoming and being childless, not having families.

00:29:23.000 And that's not, by the way, to point out the fact that there weren't massive forces like we're seeing here with the infantilization and we're seeing here with these debt reduction and debt schemes for student loans, which were all set up by the Obama administration, Wall Street and many others getting in on this.

00:29:40.000 They were set up to be this way.

00:29:42.000 They were sold a false bill of goods.

00:29:45.000 And now they're starting to realize that the bill that's going to, here's what it is.

00:29:50.000 I have a senior chief when I was in the Navy at one point, actually, when I was at Guantanamo, and he said to me, at the end of the day, you could serve 20 years in the Navy, so 30 years, you can go do whatever you want, you'll work for federal government, but at the end of the day, they will give you a gold watch, they'll give you your retirement, and they'll send you off.

00:30:08.000 And they'll replace you.

00:30:09.000 They'll replace you with somebody else.

00:30:10.000 They'll get some kid to come in. 0.79

00:30:12.000 And it's the same in corporate America, et cetera.

00:30:14.000 The only thing that's left for you at the very end is your family.

00:30:18.000 And nobody on the deathbed ever said, boy, I wish I spent more time at work.

00:30:23.000 Have people forgotten that or are they waking up to it, Pedro?

00:30:25.000 What do you think?

00:30:28.000 I think it's a combination of both.

00:30:31.000 I think you're right.

00:30:32.000 It's important to stress that we've actually sold a false bill of goods to people.

00:30:37.000 We've sold them a lie.

00:30:39.000 And I think two things happen.

00:30:41.000 On the one hand, you do have people that kind of wake up from this.

00:30:43.000 And I think you're seeing this, at least most prominently, among some millennial women who are starting to kind of write to these regrets of basically spending their youth partying and being promiscuous.

00:30:56.000 And that's good and all.

00:30:58.000 But I think that the sad thing is, is what can you do?

00:31:02.000 At a certain point, in other words, biology dictates that you can have children.

00:31:06.000 And it's not clear what kind of a legacy you can leave behind.

00:31:10.000 This is all really, really sad.

00:31:12.000 But then on the other hand, there's another aspect to this.

00:31:14.000 And there's people that I think who will, instead of kind of accepting like, okay, I've wasted a good chunk of my life because I bought into this lie, this libertine lie, I think instead it becomes resentment that turns outwards.

00:31:28.000 And these are the kinds of people that will never have kids, but will support things like, you know, like basically they seek surrogacy through left-wing politics.

00:31:37.000 So like BLM.

00:31:39.000 They'll never have kids, but they support, you know, the idea that children can become transgender.

00:31:44.000 They basically channel all of this anger, all this resentment for their own lives into radical politics.

00:31:51.000 And I think that is the more dangerous and troubling element of this that you're seeing today.

00:31:58.000 So I think it's a mixture of both.

00:31:59.000 I think some people do wake up, but then the question they have is, is it too late?

00:32:04.000 I hope it's not.

00:32:05.000 And on the other hand, you do, I think, see this connection between radical politics and basically a generation of people who are deeply angry at the fact that they know deep down that they've wasted their lives.

00:32:18.000 There was, I got into it, by the way, with the creator of Sex in the City over this a couple of months ago.

00:32:25.000 And I did a long form podcast around Christmas time with Alex Clark, who does spillover for Turning Point USA.

00:32:31.000 And it was the creator, I forgot her name on the top of it, Candace something.

00:32:35.000 And she had said once years ago, she said, I'm now 60 and I regret choosing career and not having children.

00:32:43.000 And I posted the article up.

00:32:44.000 This is the creator of Sex in the City. 1.00

00:32:46.000 This is the girl boss kind of movement.

00:32:48.000 This was the idea, the ideal that was promised to so many people.

00:32:52.000 And then, of course, I post that article up.

00:32:54.000 Then she responds to me, how dare you? 1.00

00:32:55.000 Why you post that up?

00:32:56.000 And I said, why?

00:32:57.000 This is what you said.

00:32:58.000 And then it was because she's got a new one woman Broadway show up that's supposed to be like an extension of sex in the city, right? 1.00

00:33:05.000 Because she's trying to fill the whole family. 1.00

00:33:07.000 She's trying to fill the whole of community and realizing that at the end of the day, the dopamine runs out. 0.79

00:33:16.000 Yeah.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:33:17.000 I mean, I was actually one of these people who really could never have seen himself getting married and having kids.

00:33:23.000 I just, I just, I don't know.

00:33:25.000 I didn't know how that could happen to me, right?

00:33:27.000 How do you become adult?

00:33:28.000 How do you become a dad?

00:33:29.000 How do you become a husband?

00:33:31.000 And it did happen.

00:33:32.000 Fortunately, I have two kids now.

00:33:33.000 I'm married, been married for six years.

00:33:36.000 And I really can't.

00:33:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:40.000 Thank you.

00:33:41.000 Yeah.

00:33:41.000 I've got an eight-month-old and a two-year-old.

00:33:44.000 And it has really transformed my life and the way that I look at everything.

00:33:48.000 Pedro, thank you so much for being on.

00:33:49.000 That's a fascinating discussion.

00:33:51.000 Thank you so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 24, 2022

Man Cave Conservatism with Darren Beattie and Pedro Gonzalez

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