The Charlie Kirk Show - Mandatory Vaccines, Destroying WWII Murals, and COVID Bio Buttons with Campus Insanity Correspondent Isabel Brown

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00:00:08.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I am joined by the great Isabel Brown, Turning Point USA spokesperson.

00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:14.000 I will call her the unofficial campus correspondent for us at Turning Point USA.

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00:00:25.000 You are not going to believe what is happening our universities of contact tracing students at all times, 24-7 surveillance, World War II memorials being taken down, and so much more.

00:00:36.000 Isabel Brown is here with the frontline report.

00:00:38.000 You guys want to hear this if you have kids in college, if you are in college, of ways you can fight back, and we dive deeper into what's happening with our nation's youth.

00:00:45.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:46.000 Here we go.

00:00:48.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:49.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:52.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:55.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:58.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:59.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:00.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:09.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:17.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:20.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:21.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:24.000 I am thrilled to be joined by a friend, someone who has been fighting on campus for liberty and freedom and for America for quite some time now, Isabel Brown, who actually works with us at Turning Point USA as a contributor, former chapter leader at Colorado State University, hosted me on campus back in February of 2018.

00:01:45.000 Yep.

00:01:46.000 Isabel, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:48.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:01:48.000 I'm so excited to be here and so excited to think about the journey we've had since then to now.

00:01:53.000 Yes, so first introduce yourself to our audience.

00:01:55.000 You grew up in Colorado, hosted a Turning Point event.

00:02:00.000 I went there.

00:02:00.000 That was made national news.

00:02:02.000 It was two and a half years ago.

00:02:02.000 It's quite a while ago.

00:02:04.000 Introduce yourself.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, well, it's so great to know everybody and to get to know you more as we continue to do some more engagements together with me and Charlie.

00:02:12.000 I am Turning Point USA's spokesperson on the contributor team.

00:02:16.000 So I do a lot of work in traditional media and digital media as well, talking about what's happening on college campuses and even high school campuses these days with how crazy everything's gotten for indoctrination.

00:02:26.000 I never intended on working in politics or communications or social media, anything in this realm.

00:02:31.000 I was actually pre-med in college.

00:02:32.000 So really politics found me with the insanity at my school, Colorado State University.

00:02:37.000 And I completely fell in love with Turning Point USA through sort of a random fate of chance.

00:02:42.000 I saw a Facebook ad for YWLS as a sophomore.

00:02:47.000 Yes, indeed.

00:02:48.000 And I thought, wow, I have no idea what this is all about, but something in my gut tells me I have to go.

00:02:52.000 And from that first conference, completely fell in love.

00:02:54.000 So you went to YWLS 17 or 18?

00:02:57.000 17.

00:02:58.000 That was in Dallas.

00:02:59.000 It was an amazing experience.

00:02:59.000 It was.

00:02:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:00.000 And the first words that you said at that conference still stick with me.

00:03:04.000 You said, this is not a safe space and there will be no trigger warnings this entire conference.

00:03:08.000 We're here to challenge what you believe and why you believe it.

00:03:11.000 And that's really the mission of what Turning Point has done in my life and the life of so many other people.

00:03:15.000 So went back to CSU that fall and started a chapter.

00:03:18.000 And that's really when the ball started rolling for me in terms of advocacy.

00:03:21.000 And you hosted me in a lot of different ways.

00:03:23.000 It was kind of the campus speech that put my speaking on the map.

00:03:27.000 There were all sorts of protests outside.

00:03:30.000 Needless to say, bad people on both sides clashing.

00:03:33.000 I think that's fair to say.

00:03:34.000 And the event was totally packed.

00:03:37.000 I'll never forget it.

00:03:38.000 Some of the best voice viral clips we've ever done are from that event.

00:03:42.000 And then you hosted us again, I think.

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:45.000 It was my sister, actually.

00:03:46.000 So after I graduated, you guys came back, yep, with the same Turning Point chapter, then run by my sister with Don Jr. and Kim.

00:03:52.000 Also a crazy event.

00:03:53.000 What a year.

00:03:54.000 Yep, very recently.

00:03:56.000 Thousands and thousands of people were there.

00:03:58.000 And that's when the president of Colorado State University called us all these awful names.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, unsurprisingly these days.

00:04:04.000 But that's been such a rude awakening, I think, for me.

00:04:06.000 When we first started getting started with our campus events, when I was trying to build the chapter, even just two years ago, they were still trying to hide the fact that they were such a leftist university.

00:04:15.000 And I think that's so true for all college campuses across the country.

00:04:18.000 Now it's really open.

00:04:19.000 So we're going to dive into it.

00:04:20.000 I asked you to prepare some campus craziness and campus insanity, some professor shenanigans happening in our country.

00:04:27.000 And we have professorwatchlist.org at Turning Point USA that I encourage everyone to check out.

00:04:32.000 Before we get into that, can you just give parents a little bit of an idea of how bad colleges actually are?

00:04:38.000 I talk about it at length.

00:04:40.000 I do run a college organization, but I never went to college myself.

00:04:45.000 Isabel, is it as bad as people say?

00:04:47.000 It's worse than people say.

00:04:48.000 It is absolutely shocking what is happening at our nation's institutions of higher education these days.

00:04:54.000 And I think what's so alarming to me is that it's not just shocking to parents or grandparents who may have graduated 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.

00:05:01.000 It's shocking to people who graduated five years ago and even two years ago.

00:05:04.000 The level of insanity just keeps exponentially growing in these colleges.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, they're determined to shove leftism down your throat in any way humanly possible, not just in your academics, but in every extracurricular in your dorm, when you're eating in the dining hall with your friends.

00:05:19.000 Every poster that lines the hallways of the residence halls is all about racial justice this year.

00:05:24.000 It's all about say everyone's name, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor.

00:05:28.000 If you don't adhere to the very radical Marxist ideas of BLM Incorporated, you're not welcome on campuses these days.

00:05:34.000 And you will fail your classes if you fail to adhere to your professor's political ideology these days. 0.54

00:05:39.000 And is it fair to say that there's very little learning that's happening anymore at these institutions?

00:05:45.000 It's not about learning at the end of the day.

00:05:47.000 It's about indoctrination, which is so unfortunate because college used to be this place where you were encouraged to explore all sorts of opinions and ideas on every subject.

00:05:55.000 And you were there to broaden your thinking, not to narrow it.

00:05:58.000 But unfortunately now in 2020, you're there to have one subscribed set of ideas crammed into your mind.

00:06:04.000 So let's get into some of these examples here.

00:06:06.000 There's some great ones.

00:06:07.000 I tell people, the last question I'll ask before we get to that is, would you hesitate to automatically send your kids to college if you were a parent?

00:06:16.000 100%, yes.

00:06:17.000 And I say that as someone with an undergraduate degree and a graduate degree at this point from Georgetown.

00:06:21.000 Yeah, I went to graduate school in D.C. the last year.

00:06:25.000 Two times as many degrees as I have.

00:06:26.000 It's very exciting.

00:06:27.000 And I'm definitely a nerd, so I love school.

00:06:29.000 And I know that's unpopular to say, but it's very, very scary to me.

00:06:33.000 I was in the hard sciences for both my undergraduate and graduate education.

00:06:36.000 And even in classes like anatomy and physiology and chemistry, we were talking about the wall and President Trump's latest viral tweet.

00:06:43.000 We weren't talking about the things that I was paying tuition to go to school for.

00:06:46.000 I tell parents all the time, I say, be very careful sending your kids to college.

00:06:49.000 And I got in a discussion at an undisclosed location.

00:06:52.000 I don't want to out this person, but it was a great conversation, and she meant really well.

00:06:56.000 But I asked this parent, and I hadn't had something to eat almost all day, so my blood sugar was running low, and I just have very little patience at times for this stuff.

00:07:02.000 But I was still kind.

00:07:04.000 But this woman came up.

00:07:06.000 She says, yeah, I have two daughters at some Northeast school.

00:07:08.000 I don't want to completely out the conversation.

00:07:10.000 She said, there's Northeast school.

00:07:11.000 I said, why are they there?

00:07:12.000 And she said, well, because it's a good school.

00:07:14.000 I said, but why are they at college?

00:07:15.000 And she said, well, they'll get a degree.

00:07:17.000 I said, why are they trying to get a degree?

00:07:19.000 She said, well, that's what they have to do.

00:07:20.000 Exactly.

00:07:21.000 That is such a notion that we believe in.

00:07:23.000 I said, why do they have to go?

00:07:24.000 She said, well, if they don't go, they're not going to succeed.

00:07:26.000 I said, why?

00:07:27.000 She said, because everyone says that.

00:07:29.000 So maybe everyone's wrong.

00:07:31.000 And she said, no one's ever said that before.

00:07:32.000 This is a really well-educated upper-middle-class woman who meant really well.

00:07:37.000 And I just kept asking, I said, no, seriously, what is she learning?

00:07:39.000 She said, well, they keep coming home and they're turning into liberals.

00:07:42.000 I said, so let me get this straight.

00:07:43.000 You're paying money for what?

00:07:45.000 And this is one of the biggest lies in America is that you must go to college to succeed.

00:07:48.000 I mean, you're incredibly intelligent and educated.

00:07:52.000 You've got plenty of degrees.

00:07:53.000 I don't.

00:07:53.000 But you actually have more credibility than I do to make this argument because you have the degrees and you're saying you don't need the degrees.

00:08:00.000 Absolutely, 100%.

00:08:01.000 And obviously, I chose to go a different direction than going to medical school, which was my traditional plan when it came to education.

00:08:07.000 But looking back, there are so many things that I realized I didn't really need to be sitting in a college classroom for.

00:08:13.000 And why was I paying tuition to learn about things that had nothing to do with my degree at the end of the day?

00:08:18.000 It wasn't preparing me to be a better doctor or to go to a better graduate school.

00:08:22.000 It was just preparing me to think like everybody else on my campus.

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00:10:00.000 Isabel, Campus Insanity, I asked you for a frontline report.

00:10:04.000 So everybody, again, Isabelle works at us at TurningPointUSA, TPUSA.com.

00:10:09.000 We have professorwatchlist.org, and you guys can follow Isabel at what social media channel?

00:10:13.000 On Instagram and Facebook, it's at TheISabelle Brown.

00:10:16.000 The Isabelle Brown.

00:10:17.000 And on Twitter, it's at TheISabelBee.

00:10:18.000 So I said, Isabelle, surprise me and stun me with the campus news.

00:10:22.000 Go.

00:10:22.000 There's some really crazy things happening these days.

00:10:24.000 So I'm going to start with just generally what's happening on campuses, and then we're going to dive into more specifically what's happening with professors because, oof, those stories are absolutely crazy.

00:10:33.000 ProfessorWatchlist.org.

00:10:34.000 They sure can.

00:10:35.000 So as we know, several universities have implemented really strict policies associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:10:35.000 All right.

00:10:41.000 If you haven't heard about some of these things, the idea of student privacy and transparency with their university has completely gone out the window.

00:10:48.000 And this line of what's considered acceptable continues to move further and further and further to the left.

00:10:53.000 For example, the University of Tennessee is going to require all students and faculty to get not only the flu vaccine when it becomes available this fall, but also the COVID-19 vaccine if they want to keep working there or going to school there.

00:11:06.000 So you will not be allowed to go to University of Tennessee unless you get the Chinese coronavirus vaccine.

00:11:10.000 You will have your admission revoked if you refuse to get the vaccine.

00:11:13.000 There's no exemptions provided to students, which is absolutely insane.

00:11:16.000 Wow.

00:11:17.000 Schools are even taking it steps further than that.

00:11:19.000 Oakland University started the school year by mandating that all students who live on campus wear this little button that they call a bio button that constantly tracks your heart rate, respiratory rate, your temperature, and reports that 24/7 to the university administration, even when you're off campus, just in case you might have COVID-19.

00:11:36.000 How is that not chipping?

00:11:37.000 It's almost as if they're monitoring you in real time.

00:11:40.000 It absolutely is.

00:11:41.000 And it doesn't matter as soon as you step foot off campus, they're still tracking you.

00:11:44.000 They're still making a note of where you are, who you've interacted with.

00:11:47.000 If your heart rate gets too high, I'm sorry, doesn't your heart rate get too high if you're nervous about an exam or talking to someone you have a crush on or working out at the gym?

00:11:54.000 But all of a sudden, you're pegged as a potential case of COVID-19 on campus if you wore this button.

00:11:59.000 So obviously there was a lot of pushback from students.

00:12:01.000 They decided to make it optional and not mandatory, but most students were encouraged to still do that and faculty were as well.

00:12:08.000 Insane to me that this is where we have become.

00:12:10.000 Yeah, Oakland University.

00:12:11.000 Parents, listen carefully to this.

00:12:12.000 So Tennessee, if your kid doesn't get the vaccine, that's going to spread to more universities.

00:12:16.000 They are going to force your kid to get the vaccine.

00:12:19.000 And in Oakland, they're going to track you.

00:12:21.000 They're going to, in 1984-style, track all of your movements.

00:12:25.000 Yep, absolutely.

00:12:26.000 They actually are already doing that.

00:12:27.000 So it's not even just something they want to do in the future.

00:12:29.000 It's happening right now as we speak.

00:12:31.000 BioButton is their fancy name for their little device that they pioneered.

00:12:36.000 Ridiculously scary.

00:12:40.000 It is. 0.72

00:12:40.000 It's terrifying. 0.72

00:12:41.000 And I love that you used the 1984 analogy because honestly, campuses in 2020 look a lot more like campuses in George Orwell's 1984.

00:12:49.000 Tulane University is just one of many students encouraging universities there, encouraging students to call the police if their friends are violating COVID-19 policies on campus, narc on each other, take videos, send it to the university administration.

00:13:03.000 We're creating this thought-police community where all of a sudden, if you even think about breaking a rule, you're outed and you're no longer welcome in the whole community.

00:13:10.000 I know some big donors to Tulane, no one else.

00:13:12.000 Tulane University.

00:13:13.000 Yeah, Divest You.

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00:13:17.000 So we're very excited about that at divestyou.com.

00:13:20.000 So that's the virus there.

00:13:22.000 But what's most alarming about the virus is that they seem to have all of these programs implemented to stop students from getting sick.

00:13:22.000 That's the virus.

00:13:28.000 But at the end of the day, it's not about science at all.

00:13:31.000 When you look at what's happening on campus, massive protests and rallies and gatherings are allowed on campus as long as they have to do with the leftist agenda.

00:13:38.000 They're still gathering.

00:13:39.000 They're still assembling.

00:13:40.000 But then they say, you're not allowed to go to class, but you can go protest racial injustice.

00:13:46.000 And that's fully encouraged by administrative officials.

00:13:46.000 Absolutely.

00:13:49.000 It's put out in student newspapers as one of the best things that happened on campus today.

00:13:53.000 And they're really not even hiding their agenda anymore.

00:13:55.000 I went to Colorado State University, which obviously we talked about.

00:13:58.000 You visited a few times.

00:14:00.000 And the new president of CSU, Joyce McConnell, sent out an email to students at the beginning of the year.

00:14:05.000 All students received it when they came back to campus saying, we know at the university level that you guys might have varying political ideologies on campus, but we want to make one thing very clear.

00:14:15.000 No political belief will be acceptable for you to violate university, state, and local health care policies when it comes to COVID-19.

00:14:22.000 If you make some sort of political decision to, I don't know, stand within six feet of someone or attend any gathering, even off campus, of more than 10 people, we will expel you from this university.

00:14:32.000 So they're very, very forward with the fact that this isn't about science.

00:14:36.000 This is actually about politics.

00:14:37.000 And it's a really unique microcosm of culture happening on college campuses right now where all of a sudden we're using the guise of science and healthcare to cover up for the fact that we're going more towards the terrain of leftist indoctrination and less towards actually exploring ideas on college campuses.

00:14:52.000 Wow.

00:14:53.000 Yeah, crazy, crazy situations.

00:14:55.000 But in case you haven't also heard, everything on college campuses is racist in 2020.

00:14:59.000 And I think that's true beyond college campuses too.

00:15:01.000 We're seeing that on social media and in corporate America as well.

00:15:05.000 But anything remotely associated with anything has now become racist or white supremacist on college campuses.

00:15:11.000 For example, the University of Rhode Island is going to remove their historic murals of World War II because there's too many white people in the murals.

00:15:19.000 It creates this idea that we have a homogeneous population. 0.95

00:15:23.000 In a very simple year, University of Rhode Island removing a mural to World War II.

00:15:23.000 Let's see what we're doing.

00:15:29.000 Because there's too many white people in the mural. 0.99

00:15:35.000 Ruminate. 1.00

00:15:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:36.000 Ruminate on that for a minute because that is that's true.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:39.000 That's 2020.

00:15:40.000 Everything has become white supremacy in the world.

00:15:42.000 I want everyone to listen very carefully.

00:15:44.000 Parents, when you send your kids to college, that's the type of radicalism and backwards thinking that your kids are being taught and validated.

00:15:53.000 That the heroes that fought in World War II and our mural in remembrance of them, they take it down because they say those people were raised.

00:16:00.000 Which is so ironic because if you know anything about World War II, it all has to do with not believing in the supremacy of one race or another, but just uplifting freedom for all people around the world.

00:16:09.000 So we have gone so astray in the world of leftism and living in a completely alternate reality that we don't understand facts that have happened in U.S. history.

00:16:18.000 But most alarmingly, what I love to see is when our Turning Point USA chapters get flagged on campus for hateful ideas or white supremacist ideas.

00:16:26.000 It's a daily occurrence and definitely painted my experience at CSU more than anything when it came to our local chapter there.

00:16:32.000 Most recently at the University of Indiana, there's a local group called No Space for Hate.

00:16:37.000 Got to love that name.

00:16:38.000 I'm sure they actually really mean that when it comes to difference in ideology.

00:16:42.000 They released a report a couple months ago about white supremacist recruitment at the University of Indiana.

00:16:48.000 And the report specifically mentions Turning Point USA as potentially this fringe group.

00:16:54.000 They call themselves, they say that Turning Point USA is a right-wing group that's not necessarily classified as white supremacist, but that some of the leaders of the organization have expressed public support for members of the Boogaloo movement, which they say is a militia movement seeking to replace our government with a white fashion.

00:17:12.000 We are looking at legal remedies for these sorts of things.

00:17:14.000 We've actually won several court cases in the last few months against universities.

00:17:18.000 So I love when we get to have a little bit of a victory there.

00:17:21.000 Brawl it out in court.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:23.000 But it is shocking to me that the idea of even being remotely conservative automatically assumes that you are a white supremacist on college campuses.

00:17:31.000 And our chapter leaders are dealing with that on a day-to-day basis.

00:17:34.000 I really feel for everyone right now because I can probably not even relate very much to just how extreme their campus experience has been.

00:17:40.000 And I graduated in 2019.

00:17:42.000 So there you go.

00:17:43.000 Things just get crazier and crazier.

00:17:45.000 And I think a lot of that is really propagated by university professors.

00:17:49.000 They're on campus for many, many years, often even decades, and eventually become tenured where they have the freedom to say whatever they want with absolutely zero consequences.

00:17:58.000 And that's when some of these really crazy things happen.

00:18:00.000 So here's a good one for you.

00:18:01.000 Charlie, if I told you 2 plus 2 equals 4, would you say that that has some sort of connotation with it?

00:18:07.000 What do you think that means?

00:18:08.000 I think that's arithmetic.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, you think it's math, right?

00:18:11.000 Because it's based on, I don't know, reality of the universe and how the universe works.

00:18:16.000 But there's a professor at Brooklyn College who is a math professor who tweeted this week that 2 plus 2 equals 4 as the equation, in her words, reeks of white supremacist patriarchy.

00:18:27.000 I have no idea what that means.

00:18:28.000 I have no idea how a simple equation based on the reality of the universe.

00:18:31.000 It's behind this.

00:18:32.000 Just that it was, because it's the way that math is, is automatically a white supremacist patriarchy.

00:18:38.000 Her name is Lori Rubel at Brooklyn College in New York.

00:18:41.000 So if you take Professor Rubel's class, be aware, 2 plus 2 equals 4 may be a microaggression these days.

00:18:49.000 So she believes that math is a white supremacist construct.

00:18:55.000 Math in general, even something as simple as the first equation you ever learn in Kinsham. 0.81

00:18:59.000 It reeks of a white supremacist patriarchy.

00:19:03.000 Fancy words.

00:19:04.000 Don't ask her if she knows what that means, because I doubt she really does, but sounds really good, I guess.

00:19:09.000 She says, y'all know that the idea that math is objective or neutral is a myth.

00:19:13.000 I'm reading her tweets here.

00:19:15.000 Along, of course, math is not neutral.

00:19:18.000 And it's creepy. 0.97

00:19:20.000 And it reeks of white supremacist patriarchy. 0.54

00:19:22.000 Although she is a female math professor, so I have a hard time believing she's living in such a patriarchal world as a successful math professor at an American university.

00:19:32.000 And some of the responses are: yes, this is exactly the type of thing we need to be teaching.

00:19:36.000 Our kids hear people on Twitter.

00:19:37.000 I think this maybe they went to Brooklyn College.

00:19:41.000 Maybe they're the alma mater.

00:19:42.000 Maybe they were students of Professor Rubel's.

00:19:45.000 And the American, the Smithsonian Museum said this exactly at the African American Museum, that math is racist.

00:19:52.000 And so for young mothers out there and young parents out there, please take note of this.

00:19:55.000 Your kids are going to be learning these things at a younger and younger age, that the multiplication tables, division tables, math, it's racist.

00:20:03.000 And there is no justification for it at all whatsoever.

00:20:06.000 Well, I think it's because there's this idea on college campuses that everything is racist that remotely has to do with an institution of America.

00:20:13.000 And right now, the big hot button issue that we're talking about is police brutality, especially on college campuses.

00:20:18.000 Lots of students are moving into their dorms littered with posters all over the wall saying Black Lives Matter is the best organization ever and you have to agree with every single one of their ideas.

00:20:26.000 There's a professor named Jennifer Harvey at Drake University who recently wrote an op-ed for CNN talking about how white parents in America need to start educating their white children at a very young age about the idea of backing the blue and the idea of law and order.

00:20:42.000 She says that we need to be teaching white children the important components of racial justice activism and that telling white children that police officers are good guys is actually perpetuating racism in American culture moving forward.

00:20:55.000 So there's this slanderous idea that anything associated with law and order, especially people who give up so much to serve as our men and women in blue, are actually the most racist idea ever.

00:21:05.000 Drake University.

00:21:06.000 Drake in Iowa.

00:21:07.000 In Iowa.

00:21:08.000 That's in Des Moines, Iowa.

00:21:09.000 Heartland of our country. 0.99

00:21:11.000 A lot of suburban Chicago kids go to Drake and the parents go into debt so their kids can learn from fools like this. 0.96

00:21:17.000 Yeah, I think it's an important opportunity for us to say, look, this isn't just happening at the Berkeleys and the Harvards of the world. 0.93

00:21:23.000 It's every campus in America that is dealing with this. 0.91

00:21:26.000 And I don't understand.

00:21:28.000 I tell people all this time, if I cared about somebody, I tell them, do not go to college.

00:21:34.000 I said, what do you, you want to learn from this nonsense? 1.00

00:21:37.000 It's a pile of garbage. 1.00

00:21:38.000 Well, and you're required to learn about this nonsense to even graduate. 1.00

00:21:41.000 They make you take diversity classes about queer expressions or the Black Lives Matter movement in order to even graduate and move on to get a greater job. 0.92

00:21:49.000 So, you know, I'm not really sure I buy into the narrative anymore that a college degree is necessary to be successful.

00:21:54.000 Most of the most successful people I know, yourself included, never even went to college.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, I mean, you went to college and you're doing great, but I don't think that college gave you your capacity to succeed.

00:22:04.000 If anything, I think college challenged me in new ways to push back against the establishment of college rather than just so your parents and you paid or went into debt.

00:22:13.000 I don't know your financial situation, worked for scholarships, all of that, so that you then could go fight the system that you're paying for.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, amazing how that works, isn't it?

00:22:21.000 But what's most scary to me on college campuses now, and I think we started to see this a couple of years ago, is that this idea of a culture war being an ideological one is very quickly transforming into an actual physical altercation more often than not.

00:22:34.000 And we saw that, obviously, with one of our activists at the University of California, Berkeley getting punched in the face while tabling on campus.

00:22:40.000 Now, obviously, with the rising riots and violence and looting across the country, people are being targeted for their ideological beliefs.

00:22:47.000 But most recently, there was a professor at Marshall University, Jennifer Mosher, who's been placed on administrative leave after she was teaching a Zoom class, which students were recording in West Virginia, of all places.

00:22:59.000 In the Ohio River.

00:23:00.000 California.

00:23:00.000 Southeast Ohio.

00:23:01.000 It's right near West Virginia.

00:23:02.000 This is not in Malibu, California.

00:23:04.000 And if you're listening to this right now and you're taking Zoom classes, which I know most of you probably are, film everything.

00:23:09.000 And then send it to us at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:23:11.000 Absolutely.

00:23:12.000 You have an opportunity to out all of your professors.

00:23:14.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:23:16.000 So she was placed on administrative leave because a student was filming the Zoom class.

00:23:19.000 Thank you to whoever filmed this, saying that she hopes that all Trump supporters die before Election Day in November, talking about President Trump choosing to hold peaceful protest rallies in the midst of COVID-19 and how irresponsible and reckless that behavior is. 0.93

00:23:34.000 And in her words, Trump supporters need to die before the November election. 0.94

00:23:39.000 BLM Inc. Hosts massive demonstrations with hundreds of thousands of people in the streets, and yet she wants Trump supporters to be dead in the streets. 0.97

00:23:49.000 Oh, and massive supporting rallies on campuses as well.

00:23:51.000 I mean, you're seeing thousands of students turn up.

00:23:53.000 They're not social distancing.

00:23:55.000 Most of them aren't wearing masks.

00:23:56.000 They're linking arm in arm, ignoring every sort of idea that the CDC has put forward and their university has put forward in order to advance this idea of racial justice and anti-racism, which is a nice fun buzzword that's popped up in 2020.

00:24:09.000 But as long as it fits your agenda, it doesn't really matter.

00:24:11.000 The science won't affect that when it comes to a certain pandemic, which is just terrifying.

00:24:16.000 So I'm alarmed to see this idea of the culture war make that big transition.

00:24:21.000 And I'm curious, Charlie, what you think of that?

00:24:23.000 And are we going to continue moving into more violence and more rioting and looting and targeting people with actual violence rather than just mean words as we continue to do it?

00:24:32.000 Yeah, it's inevitable.

00:24:33.000 I mean, the transition from a civil, peaceful society to tribalism and conflict, the bridge between the two or the wall, to kind of use an analogy, what prevents that flood from happening is freedom of speech.

00:24:45.000 If you can't discuss your ideas, then you're not able to have any nuance.

00:24:49.000 You have nothing but tribal groups. 0.96

00:24:51.000 And so what you end up happening is lunatics like these professors, they win the argument because they shut up any sort of disagreement.

00:24:59.000 So freedom of speech is a way where mature people are able to kind of discover truth, pursue truth, I should say, find their differences, find their agreements, and then you don't kill each other. 0.76

00:25:09.000 That's basically it.

00:25:11.000 This is why groups that have meaningless wars going back thousands of years, they weren't able to communicate with each other.

00:25:17.000 They just fight.

00:25:18.000 Like, okay.

00:25:19.000 If you have speech, then you're able to actually not have to fight.

00:25:21.000 There's really not a middle gap there.

00:25:23.000 There's not anything in between.

00:25:25.000 And the left knows exactly what they're doing.

00:25:27.000 The Democrats know what they're doing.

00:25:29.000 Joe Biden knows what they're doing.

00:25:30.000 They are, we are not actually slowly, we are bouldering towards a civil war.

00:25:37.000 And that's where this goes, is where eventually people are going to start killing each other.

00:25:40.000 And I don't want it that way.

00:25:42.000 I don't.

00:25:42.000 In fact, I think that's almost a hard thing to talk about.

00:25:47.000 But if you look in the streets of Louisville right now, where you look at people that are burning down Louisville, they have riot shields, anarchist gear, Molotov cocktails, everything waiting for them after a complete lie that the police wrongfully killed Breonna Taylor, which is not true at all, where Breonna Taylor was still doing business with her ex-boyfriend, the drug dealer, and currently dating another boyfriend who tried to kill a cop.

00:26:12.000 So she was not really dealing with good people.

00:26:14.000 Let's put it that way.

00:26:15.000 You know, she had an affinity in the romantic realm for criminals. 0.96

00:26:19.000 And the cops knock on the door.

00:26:20.000 It was a no-knock raid.

00:26:21.000 They still knock on the door.

00:26:23.000 They come in.

00:26:24.000 He shoots at them and she gets caught in the crossfire.

00:26:26.000 She was not in her bed.

00:26:27.000 Not defending that she should die, but she was in the crossfire.

00:26:31.000 Grand jury, who I'm sure was very pressured to do an indictment, still did not do an indictment.

00:26:36.000 This is not a prosecutor.

00:26:37.000 This is a grand jury.

00:26:38.000 This is of the peers of the people of Louisville, which I'm sure was a multiracial jury.

00:26:42.000 That doesn't matter. 0.93

00:26:43.000 Instead, the tribal group, BLM Incorporated, they just want nothing more than the arson of America. 0.97

00:26:49.000 They want to tear us up from within. 0.98

00:26:51.000 And this all stems from the universities.

00:26:53.000 This all starts from the campuses.

00:26:54.000 When you do not have dialogue, when you do not have discussion, when you do not have people that are able to disagree in a marketplace, you will get to tearing each other apart.

00:27:03.000 And I wish it wasn't that.

00:27:05.000 I don't want it to be that way.

00:27:06.000 That's why I've said many times, I'm waiting for Democrats to come on my show.

00:27:10.000 I'll go on.

00:27:11.000 They won't have me on their show, and they won't come on my show.

00:27:14.000 Because for them, speech is a threat to their power.

00:27:16.000 Instead, they would rather have baseball bats than speech.

00:27:19.000 And there are some good liberals that'll come on.

00:27:21.000 We had James Lindsay and we had Peter Bogogi, and they're great.

00:27:24.000 And I want to give them credit for that.

00:27:26.000 But they are the exception, not the rule.

00:27:29.000 And so I want to just kind of make this point that if we get back to a country where you can agree or disagree, that's a very healthy thing.

00:27:37.000 However, if you send your kid to college or if you support your college financially, in one way or the other, you are playing into this idea of the disintegration of America.

00:27:47.000 A lot of really good patriotic Americans that are listening to this, and I'm not actually anti-college.

00:27:52.000 That sounds weird.

00:27:53.000 I'm anti-sending your kid to college right now.

00:27:55.000 I'm pro the idea of college.

00:27:57.000 It does not.

00:27:58.000 It's supposed to be, which is a marketplace of ideas.

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00:29:22.000 Isabelle, would you agree that high school seniors are generally more mature than college seniors?

00:29:27.000 Absolutely.

00:29:27.000 100%.

00:29:28.000 And that sort of taps into this idea of millennials versus Gen Z, too.

00:29:32.000 We love to say at Turning Point USA, Gen Z is gen-free because my generation, 1997 or later Americans, I'm at the oldest bracket of this new generation, saw what happened with millennials on college campuses.

00:29:43.000 And we thought, I'm 93.

00:29:44.000 And we thought, you know, I want nothing to do with that.

00:29:47.000 I want nothing to do with the insanity that I'm seeing my older sister, my cousin, my friend who's a few years older than me go through. 0.96

00:29:53.000 That's just absolutely ridiculous. 0.72

00:29:54.000 And so I think there's a little bit of cultural pushback happening with Gen Z right now on college campuses. 0.80

00:29:59.000 The students themselves are more conservative.

00:30:01.000 They're more bold.

00:30:02.000 They're more outspoken.

00:30:03.000 But the pushback from their administration is even louder about forcing leftism onto you, forcing leftism into your classes and your curriculum.

00:30:11.000 And honestly, students who are attending college right now are supporting that in one way or another because they have to deal with it in one way or another to graduate.

00:30:17.000 So I'm very supportive, especially this fall with everything crazy happening with COVID-19 of students taking a gap year, taking some time off, analyzing, you know, is this really the best move for me?

00:30:27.000 I think that should be more popular.

00:30:28.000 And I see high school, I see college seniors all the time.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:30.000 They have hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt or tens of thousands of dollars in debt, very little skills.

00:30:35.000 They're entering a job market that has been totally destroyed by these shutdowns, which was a huge mistake.

00:30:39.000 Absolutely.

00:30:40.000 And then they also have really no understanding of the great ideas that built America.

00:30:44.000 And we have here a couple test cases of 18-year-olds that have taken gap years at work at us, work with us at Turning Point USA.

00:30:51.000 You know, I'm thinking of Mikey McCoy, Rob McCoy's son, and it's September, he decided not to go to college for a year.

00:30:56.000 He has his own apartment, no debt.

00:30:58.000 He's saving money.

00:30:59.000 He's working every day.

00:31:00.000 All of his friends are in college doing Zoom classes, going into debt.

00:31:04.000 Why would you do that?

00:31:05.000 It makes absolutely.

00:31:05.000 And I ask parents, they say, well, they have to.

00:31:07.000 I say, think a little bit more creatively.

00:31:10.000 And so it just, I just want to reinforce this idea.

00:31:14.000 What happens on college campuses does not stay on college campuses.

00:31:17.000 That is so true.

00:31:18.000 And especially when I talk to older Americans, there seems to be this sentiment that's existed for several decades that, oh, young people are always a little crazier.

00:31:26.000 But once they get to the quote unquote real world, then they'll wake up and they'll realize that, you know, these fringe ideas are so crazy and they'll conform more regularly to what we consider normal traditional ideas.

00:31:35.000 That could not be farther from the truth.

00:31:37.000 And we're seeing right now in 2020 what's playing out when what happens when very extreme leftist ideas graduate with us and then get to the streets of Kenosha, get to the streets of Chicago and San Francisco.

00:31:48.000 This is the reality if we keep letting this full-blown leftism happen on college campuses.

00:31:52.000 Again, these students have no net worth.

00:31:54.000 They're negative $30,000, negative $50,000, negative $70,000 in debt.

00:31:58.000 They have no skills.

00:31:59.000 And then we pack them like sardines into these urban cities where they own nothing.

00:32:03.000 They're just renting.

00:32:05.000 And after a couple years where they just work minimum wage jobs because they have no skills, they're going to lose faith in the system and they're going to want to burn the system down.

00:32:13.000 And then these very well-meaning suburban parents say, I don't know where I went wrong.

00:32:17.000 Where do my kids go wrong?

00:32:19.000 What skill do they have?

00:32:21.000 Okay, they went to college.

00:32:22.000 What's their skill?

00:32:23.000 What can they do that somebody else can't do?

00:32:26.000 Well, they've got a psychology degree.

00:32:27.000 No, what's their skill?

00:32:28.000 And what's unique about their story?

00:32:30.000 They have an engineering degree.

00:32:31.000 They'd be like, oh, yeah, they can code.

00:32:32.000 They can program.

00:32:33.000 They can do advanced mathematics.

00:32:35.000 Like, okay.

00:32:36.000 But if you just go to get a piece of paper and you don't have a skill, and people say, well, I'm studying communications.

00:32:41.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:32:42.000 But usually communications degree do the worst job of teaching kids how to actually communicate in the real world.

00:32:48.000 I mean, I talk to these communications graduates sometimes.

00:32:50.000 It's like, you got a communications degree?

00:32:52.000 Like, no offense to me.

00:32:54.000 I don't think so.

00:32:55.000 And so I think that what you're saying here, though, is parents need to liberate their thinking and say, what if my kid doesn't go to college?

00:33:04.000 And I say, this is a thought experiment.

00:33:06.000 How much, I don't want to pee on the spot, Isabel, but it probably cost you $200,000 all throughout graduate and undergrad.

00:33:12.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:33:13.000 I was pretty fortunate to get lots of scholarships and in-state tuition.

00:33:13.000 Less than that.

00:33:17.000 I was supposed to go to a very expensive, nice, brand-name school in California.

00:33:20.000 And actually, two weeks before freshman year of college made the choice to stay at my large public in-state university.

00:33:26.000 More people need to make that decision.

00:33:28.000 I have way too many friends in debt.

00:33:28.000 I'll tell you what.

00:33:30.000 And luckily, through that, I was able to save up enough money to even graduate graduate school debt-free because I had the opportunity to spend a little bit more money for one year.

00:33:38.000 But even still, I mean, it is just astronomical how much the cost of college has risen because we're in this cycle where the government will keep giving loans as long as the school keeps raising tuition.

00:33:47.000 And we are just always on the hamster wheel of the increasing cost of college.

00:33:51.000 And I tell parents, and I'm going to tell students this right now, that if you have the money saved, what if you started a business?

00:34:00.000 What if you got a job in the market?

00:34:02.000 You don't have to enter right into this endless cycle of debt and of bad ideas.

00:34:10.000 And so it's a very important takeaway.

00:34:12.000 What other examples do you have?

00:34:13.000 Well, there's a couple more, but I really want to ask you, just generally speaking, obviously there's a crazy situation happening on campuses right now where professors can get away with saying whatever they want.

00:34:21.000 Students are feeling really stifled.

00:34:23.000 They're feeling isolated if they don't agree with their professors.

00:34:26.000 Everything is racist, you know, unless you're conservative and then you can think a little bit outside of that.

00:34:31.000 And some students still have the freedom to do that.

00:34:33.000 But really, where does this all stem from?

00:34:35.000 And where can we move forward from here to encourage a different state of reality on college campuses?

00:34:39.000 I mean, I have a couple answers to that.

00:34:42.000 The universities play a huge role, but it's also the way that parents have been parenting their kids.

00:34:48.000 And this is an unpopular opinion.

00:34:49.000 I got to know your parents.

00:34:50.000 They've done the right thing.

00:34:51.000 They taught you about conservative values in the Constitution very early on in life.

00:34:56.000 But a lot of parents have just given their kids off to the state and hope that they come back with values.

00:35:01.000 You give your kids to the state, they're not going to learn about why America is a beautiful country, our founding values, first principles.

00:35:10.000 They're not going to learn that.

00:35:11.000 And so at a more root cause issue, I think that this is parents that have abdicated their responsibility in the involvement of the education of their children.

00:35:23.000 Now, were you homeschooled?

00:35:24.000 I don't know if you were or not.

00:35:25.000 I was not homeschooled, but we definitely talked about it a few times.

00:35:28.000 And growing up, that became a moment of concern for my parents.

00:35:31.000 I mean, they were always very involved in what we were learning.

00:35:33.000 And honestly, if COVID-19 has done one good thing for parents with younger kids this year, it's the opportunity to listen to what their teachers are saying when they're in these Zoom classes learning from home.

00:35:42.000 I know several elementary school teachers went viral on Twitter saying they were so concerned about parents being able to hear about their curriculum because they had a moral duty and a moral responsibility to educate about race.

00:35:53.000 Some of the school districts in Missouri, for example, were making the parents sign waivers that they would not go listen in on what their kids were being taught.

00:36:02.000 Which is shocking.

00:36:03.000 If these teachers and professors are afraid of what they are saying to go public, you should pull your kid out of that institution.

00:36:10.000 Every parent should go to the college they're paying for and say, I want a copy of every single class my kid has been learning from.

00:36:16.000 And if the university says, no, say why?

00:36:18.000 I thought these are people supposed to be rocket scientists, but I'm paying for it.

00:36:21.000 I paid for that time.

00:36:22.000 I paid for that 90 minutes with Dr. Liberal about why America is awful.

00:36:28.000 So tell me why I cannot see that lecture.

00:36:33.000 And so look, that's one of the ways it stems from.

00:36:35.000 But also, and I talk about this, and this is something that we as conservatives don't talk about enough, which is the material side of this.

00:36:42.000 And so there's an ideological and a material side.

00:36:44.000 The left only focuses on the material side.

00:36:46.000 They never focus on the ideological side.

00:36:48.000 Conservatives almost only focus on the ideological side and they don't focus on the material side.

00:36:53.000 And the material side, which is, and this is, people say like, oh, it's a Marxist view to believe this.

00:36:59.000 Of course it's not.

00:37:00.000 I mean, it's just a silly thing to say.

00:37:01.000 But if you have people that are 28 years old and they're in debt and they don't own property and they have no skills, do not be surprised when they want to burn down the world, even if they weren't directly exposed to all this indoctrination or they don't believe it.

00:37:15.000 So kind of the popular conservative view is saying they're only burning down because of the ideas they were stuffed with.

00:37:22.000 Completely agree with that. 0.66

00:37:23.000 But if you just kind of don't mention that a lot of these young people don't have any meaningful work, they're not getting married.

00:37:32.000 They have no romantic relationships.

00:37:34.000 I think it's both those things coupled together.

00:37:36.000 And I think we as conservatives need to talk more about what the left has been talking about.

00:37:40.000 Yes, student loan debt's a real problem.

00:37:42.000 I don't think we should forgive it, but it's a real problem.

00:37:45.000 And when you have student loan debt, you're going to want to burn everything down if you don't have a job.

00:37:48.000 We as conservatives say, oh, it's because we brainwashed them early on.

00:37:52.000 It's totally true. 0.87

00:37:53.000 I agree with that.

00:37:54.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:37:55.000 Because just only the side of ideas and values and morals, here's the kind of the equation is you can have the best morals in the world, but you'll become dispirited as a 29-year-old and you will leave the church and leave Christianity if your life materially does not get better.

00:38:12.000 And I had this conversation very briefly with Ben Shapiro, and he did not view it this way.

00:38:16.000 He said that people still stayed faithful in the Great Depression.

00:38:19.000 It doesn't matter their socioeconomic status.

00:38:21.000 I think there's a good argument.

00:38:22.000 I think there's some validity to that.

00:38:23.000 But I also think that in life, the way you basically judge success is, is my life getting better year after year?

00:38:31.000 Am I getting married?

00:38:32.000 Am I having kids?

00:38:33.000 And when you have 29-year-olds that have nothing they can point to, where they say, yes, my life has gotten better since the time I was 24, their debt burden has gone up.

00:38:43.000 Their entire upswing of life has actually just been kind of a downward trajectory in the nihilism.

00:38:51.000 And so that's something I think we have to get right.

00:38:52.000 So I have some very bold ideas. 0.87

00:38:54.000 I think that we should sell federal lands for basically pennies on the dollar to people under the age of 30 to go have families.

00:39:01.000 I think that we should, in Arizona, it's almost all federal land.

00:39:04.000 Governor Ducey and President Trump should partner and say, we're going to sell 3,000 acres for young families to be able to just start a community.

00:39:12.000 You own it, you got it.

00:39:13.000 Like, go build a home, start your own community.

00:39:15.000 Seriously.

00:39:16.000 I love that idea.

00:39:17.000 And I think that we should stop building buildings over three stories.

00:39:19.000 I think tall buildings have been the death of America.

00:39:22.000 I think that the more we have young people living vertically and not horizontally, the less likely they are to own property.

00:39:28.000 When a young person doesn't own something, they're willing to destroy anything.

00:39:31.000 Well, you lack a sense of purpose.

00:39:32.000 And I think that goes back to your college experience. 0.99

00:39:35.000 You know, young Americans are being taught from every angle of society in their class on their social media with who's running for president that America is a failed idea and there is no hope and we cannot save it and life sucks and your life sucks most importantly.

00:39:47.000 And so I think we lack this idea of a sense of purpose and a drive to make our lives better because a lot of that does have to do with personal choice and personal responsibility, but we're not teaching that anymore.

00:39:56.000 And the students who start college with that idea of excitement and personal drive and a willingness to work very hard to succeed become so downtrodden because they are so targeted.

00:40:04.000 They become deflated.

00:40:05.000 Yeah, they do.

00:40:06.000 We lose the stars in our eyes for the things that we dream in to turn them into reality.

00:40:10.000 And I think a lot of that has to do with not being prepared and not understanding what's going to be confronting you in your college experience.

00:40:17.000 And so, parents who are listening to this, if you're a high school senior listening to this, you need to be aware that college is not all the fun football tailgates, it's not all the fun parties.

00:40:25.000 And it is those things, absolutely.

00:40:27.000 But in reality, if you're walking in as a conservative student or even just as an open-minded student that's not already to the left of the political spectrum, you are going to get targeted.

00:40:36.000 And we're seeing so much of that on college campuses.

00:40:38.000 You know, automatically, every mainstream Republican or conservative is labeled a Nazi, labeled a white supremacist, anti-woman.

00:40:46.000 I got a lovely DM from a current student where I used to go to school the other day, never met this student in my life, saying, Don't come back to our school.

00:40:53.000 You know, as an alum, you're not welcome here.

00:40:54.000 And we're talking about you in our class at Colorado State. 1.00

00:40:58.000 And I can't support a racist rapist. 0.99

00:41:01.000 She referred to me as such a thing because I'm supporting President Trump, which makes absolutely no sense. 0.99

00:41:06.000 But those are the types of names that your child or you might get called on a college campus.

00:41:11.000 So being aware of that and empowered about that on the onset and realizing that there's no validity to those claims can help you succeed during your four years.

00:41:18.000 You have my commitment, Isabel.

00:41:19.000 As soon as the country opens up, which will be after the election, you and I should go speak at Colorado State University.

00:41:24.000 Oh, we would have some fun at CSU for sure.

00:41:28.000 Isabel Brown returns with Charlie Kirk, and we'll see how tolerant the left is.

00:41:28.000 We'll do.

00:41:33.000 You know, at CSU, every ethnic studies professor referred to me as that turning point girl.

00:41:37.000 So I thought I'd make up a little t-shirt the next time I go back to CSU. 0.97

00:41:40.000 That's a turning point girl.

00:41:41.000 That turning point girl.

00:41:42.000 I wear that as a badge of honor still to this day.

00:41:45.000 But, you know, I was so shocked as a student because I didn't expect any of that.

00:41:49.000 I didn't expect to be called that white supremacist girl on campus.

00:41:51.000 I didn't expect to get death threats or have my address doxed, and all of those crazy things happen.

00:41:56.000 And I know that doesn't happen to every conservative student, but it happened to me because I was willing to be bold and push back against this sea of leftism.

00:42:03.000 And I wish I would have known that up front because, you know, we like to pretend sometimes that it doesn't hurt our feelings when that does happen.

00:42:09.000 But of course, it hurt my feelings the first time a close friend of mine called me a racist or a white supremacist.

00:42:14.000 I went home and was miserable for several days because I couldn't imagine that someone I had called a friend and genuinely thought they understood who I was believed I lived my life that way.

00:42:22.000 And had I known that that was part of the package of being a conservative on a college campus, even not being an outspoken one, I think I would have had a thicker skin moving into college to begin with and didn't have to grow that through my experience, but would be more confident to fight back against that from the onset.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, I tell people, and you're a great example of this, that if you're going to get into politics and get into the fight, be prepared to lose all your friends and be prepared to really pay a price.

00:42:46.000 And I hope the adults listen to this, you know, really think carefully.

00:42:50.000 Here you have Isabel, who was a college activist at Turning Point.

00:42:53.000 By the way, we have thousands of amazing activists at Turning Point USA that are fighting for our country.

00:42:58.000 And if you're an adult out there and you're not in the arena, why are you letting the kids fight for you?

00:43:03.000 And that's what I tell adults all the time.

00:43:04.000 I say, because now that I'm 26, I can kind of look at this a little bit more intergenerational than I did four years ago.

00:43:10.000 I can say, because I go to these, you know, events and they're like, oh, yeah, keep fighting.

00:43:14.000 I'm like, thank you.

00:43:15.000 I appreciate that.

00:43:16.000 But you know that our kids are literally putting their life on the line at these campuses, their entire social life, everything.

00:43:22.000 Well, even sometimes their literal life, too.

00:43:23.000 I mean, we are getting death threats and our addresses are posted online.

00:43:27.000 And these journalists are like, well, this person received the death threat once.

00:43:30.000 I'm like, all of our kids receive death threats all the time.

00:43:32.000 The time.

00:43:32.000 That's part of the package.

00:43:33.000 It's part of the game.

00:43:34.000 I mean, what's the big issue with the death threat thing?

00:43:38.000 I mean, that's normal.

00:43:39.000 It's part of the game. 1.00

00:43:41.000 And if you're a conservative, they want you dead.

00:43:45.000 Yeah, and they are even saying it now in their college classes.

00:43:47.000 They're willing to go out there and put their name on the record, knowing probably that the class is being recorded saying that.

00:43:53.000 So there are no consequences for these professors these days, it seems.

00:43:56.000 And that's the culture that really has arisen in 2020. 0.98

00:43:58.000 That professor said she wants all the Trump supporters dead. 0.99

00:44:01.000 Dead before the November election. 1.00

00:44:02.000 At least she got put on leave.

00:44:03.000 So that's good.

00:44:04.000 Well, hopefully that leads to some sort of positive movement, although I'm skeptical these days with college campuses and administrations.

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:10.000 She'll probably end up getting promoted in some sort of an award or something.

00:44:13.000 Yeah, in a roundabout way that we won't all be able to see, unfortunately.

00:44:16.000 But, you know, I think this is a great conversation.

00:44:19.000 Just about everyone taking a moment.

00:44:21.000 COVID-19 has been an interesting experience for our country, to say the least.

00:44:25.000 I think there's been a lot of horrible things that have been associated with this pandemic.

00:44:28.000 And as a biomedical sciences policy gal, which is what I have my master's degree in, we've handled this all the wrong way.

00:44:34.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:44:34.000 I could spend a whole other podcast talking about that.

00:44:36.000 But it's also given us a chance to reevaluate the institutions in our country that are and are not working.

00:44:42.000 And across the board, education is one of those institutions we can think about.

00:44:46.000 You know, kids are going to kindergarten on Zoom now, and they're also going to their college campus classes on Zoom.

00:44:50.000 And so I think parents, grandparents, people who are mentors and authority figures in young adults' lives have a unique chance right now to listen in, to actually lend an ear to what's happening because otherwise you have no idea what happens in your child's psychology 100 class or even their math class, apparently.

00:45:06.000 And all of a sudden, racism, the idea that America is a failed experiment, that we need to be completely dismantled, that the nuclear family is evil.

00:45:13.000 I hear a lot about that from our students in conversations on social media.

00:45:17.000 That is what's being taught to your children, and it should be very alarming to you.

00:45:21.000 And we should take a moment to think about that in 2020.

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00:46:51.000 And Isabel, can you talk about social media as well?

00:46:53.000 You and I were talking about the film The Social Dilemma.

00:46:56.000 I did watch the whole thing.

00:46:57.000 I'm actually doing another podcast just on the film because we've received so many emails from people on it.

00:47:02.000 I actually had to watch through somebody else's Netflix account because I deleted Netflix because they are the pro pedophile over-the-top service.

00:47:09.000 They think very highly of pedophilia at Netflix with their latest movie, Cuties.

00:47:14.000 And of course, Susan Rice and Obama have not been to answer for it.

00:47:17.000 But anyway, I watched the social dilemma, thought it was very interesting.

00:47:20.000 What role does social media play in what young people can consume and how people are interpreting what's actually happening?

00:47:28.000 Well, frankly, social media is everything.

00:47:30.000 Think, especially right now when everything is digital and people lack the opportunity to connect one-on-one in person, social media is your connection to your friends and your family.

00:47:37.000 It's the way that you get your news, it's the way that you express your opinions.

00:47:41.000 But it's this weird, distorted world that I think we don't fully understand when we first open your Instagram app at the beginning of the day and start scrolling through.

00:47:48.000 You have a very carefully curated set of posts that you are allowed to see based on algorithms.

00:47:53.000 And so I think we're creating these ideological silos for America's next generations that they don't understand how to communicate with people who are different from them.

00:48:01.000 They don't understand how to articulate the fact that they may be wrestling with an idea.

00:48:05.000 And it's very alarming.

00:48:06.000 But the vast majority of millennials and Gen Z, well over 50%, get all of their primary news from social media.

00:48:13.000 And let's take a second to just ask ourselves, what does that even mean?

00:48:17.000 It means we're not reading full-length stories.

00:48:19.000 We're not watching full-length videos.

00:48:21.000 We see a five-line headline and think, okay, I know everything I need to know about.

00:48:24.000 I know everything about Breonna Taylor because the Washington Post said it.

00:48:28.000 So all of our knowledge is, you know, an inch deep and a mile wide.

00:48:31.000 And all of a sudden, everyone thinks they're an expert on subjects like the Breonna Taylor case, on subjects like the Black Lives Matter Incorporated movement.

00:48:37.000 But in reality, they're not.

00:48:38.000 And we've lost the skill to do the digging of what things actually mean and start asking those really hard questions.

00:48:44.000 So, in many ways, social media is a great tool.

00:48:46.000 It's an opportunity for us to reach kids who may not have heard conservative ideas ever shared in their family or in their classroom.

00:48:52.000 And I love that part about what we do at Turning Point USA and our jobs in particular.

00:48:56.000 But it's also a really interesting world that we don't really fully understand.

00:49:00.000 You know, not all of our content will reach every single person that's following us.

00:49:04.000 And even the things that we put out don't even start a very deep conversation about the future of America, about why freedom is important, why we need to create this culture moving forward that returns to our roots in America.

00:49:15.000 So I'm hopeful that social media can do more of a deep dive into the future.

00:49:19.000 No, I agree.

00:49:20.000 And I think that my issue, I will say a couple of thoughts on that.

00:49:24.000 I think conservatives are actually more equipped to have disagreeable conversations than liberals, just because we're always around liberals all the time, and liberals aren't.

00:49:31.000 We go to, you know, our kids go to liberal universities, liberal schools, liberal family members.

00:49:35.000 We just have this.

00:49:36.000 We're better at that. 0.99

00:49:37.000 Liberals are completely unequipped for it.

00:49:40.000 And a couple problems with social media, the first of which is it is designed to be chemically addictive.

00:49:45.000 It is.

00:49:46.000 And it's really good at it.

00:49:47.000 That's why I've deleted all the social media from my phone, and our amazing team helps post for me.

00:49:51.000 I just text them what I want and they put it up.

00:49:53.000 They're incredible.

00:49:53.000 They're amazing.

00:49:54.000 I have the blessing of having that opportunity because I was spending so much screen time just going through Instagram.

00:50:00.000 And I actually hit me four or five months ago when I first deleted everything.

00:50:04.000 And I deleted Twitter first, then I deleted Instagram.

00:50:06.000 When I was going through Instagram and I started to just see that I was seeing more posts of things I wasn't even liking, but just spending more screen time on, I wasn't even liking it.

00:50:15.000 I said, they're monitoring my screen time.

00:50:17.000 Oh, they absolutely are.

00:50:18.000 They listen to you too.

00:50:19.000 They listen to everything.

00:50:19.000 And by the way, these parents, parents say all the time, well, Charlie, when I said, why are you giving your kids a phone?

00:50:25.000 I went to high school without a cell phone.

00:50:27.000 It was actually awesome.

00:50:28.000 I was a sophomore in high school when I got my first cell phone and everyone made fun of me but this is the craziest thing for I don't understand this at all and I don't mean this in condemnation I mean this from a position of love and inquiry and compassion why do high school kids need phones they don't no I don't I mean seriously I mean, I got my first film as a senior in high school and it was a brick.

00:50:46.000 And by the way, this was 2012.

00:50:49.000 This was not, this wasn't 1982.

00:50:51.000 Okay.

00:50:52.000 Very true.

00:50:53.000 No, but I tell people, I say, why do they need it?

00:50:55.000 All their friends have it.

00:50:56.000 Okay, all your friends are doing marijuana.

00:50:57.000 You want them to do that too?

00:50:58.000 Exactly.

00:50:59.000 I mean, that's such a slippery slope argument.

00:51:01.000 What is the capacity?

00:51:02.000 I want them to be able to call me.

00:51:03.000 Okay, then get the jitterbug.

00:51:04.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 I remember those.

00:51:05.000 I think they were called fireflies when I was a little kid.

00:51:07.000 I think it's called.

00:51:09.000 No, it's I do remember those, though.

00:51:11.000 You can only call a certain prescribed set of numbers.

00:51:11.000 No texting.

00:51:14.000 I'm going to get one of these, by the way.

00:51:15.000 I'm not kidding.

00:51:15.000 This is going to be my new phone soon.

00:51:17.000 I mean, it's so much less distracting and saves so much time, too.

00:51:17.000 Absolutely.

00:51:17.000 You should.

00:51:20.000 And I love that you said social media is addictive because it is.

00:51:23.000 And from a scientific perspective, we analyze this all the time during my graduate program at Georgetown.

00:51:29.000 Yes, I love this.

00:51:30.000 I'm going to go backwards.

00:51:31.000 But it is.

00:51:32.000 Every time that somebody likes one of your pictures or has a follow-up request, you actually get a release of hormones in your brain, which is dopamine, exactly like what happens when you do drugs.

00:51:40.000 So we should be talking more about this.

00:51:42.000 We've addicted our children to the idea of using their phones.

00:51:45.000 Even people that I know, my younger sister, for example, she can't even go on vacation without keeping her Snapchat streaks alive.

00:51:50.000 So she'll give her friends her login information to Snapchat so that they can do it while she's on vacation for her.

00:51:56.000 And I don't think she means poorly because of that.

00:51:58.000 I just genuinely believe that is such a big part of culture for the younger version of Generation Z that nobody's really talking about these days.

00:52:06.000 Yeah, and I think it's a huge part of it.

00:52:08.000 And young people are getting all their information from social media professors.

00:52:12.000 And again, I mean, I'm the first one to admit it.

00:52:14.000 We have 7 million followers combined on all platforms on social media.

00:52:16.000 We've benefited from this. 0.98

00:52:18.000 But to believe that there isn't a reverse side of the coin, that there isn't a huge cost to this, it would be foolish.

00:52:24.000 I mean, you're seeing more young people that are single that are 30 years old than married.

00:52:28.000 You're seeing we're on pace to have 500,000 less children next year than this year.

00:52:33.000 That's a very, very serious problem in our country.

00:52:36.000 And young people are socially addicted to their devices.

00:52:39.000 They really are.

00:52:41.000 So between devices and what's happening on college campuses, I tend to see a very common thread circulating around free speech.

00:52:47.000 And that really being something that we fight for more than anything else at Turning Point USA.

00:52:52.000 I don't think most of you probably know the vast majority of millennials want to scrap the First Amendment.

00:52:56.000 They don't think that it's relevant to our society these days.

00:52:59.000 They want to ban hate speech, whatever the heck they think that means.

00:53:02.000 And if you ask them, it's a different answer every day.

00:53:04.000 But that's really the root cause of all of these problems I think we're experiencing in 2020.

00:53:09.000 I was thinking of how Turning Point can best do this in a way that will get attention, and it could probably get out of control.

00:53:14.000 But I was thinking of something where we do an event where you literally just have an open mic where people can say anything.

00:53:21.000 It'll get out of control because you'll have people that are, you know, the flat earth people, which is fine.

00:53:25.000 They should have a right to talk to.

00:53:26.000 They should too.

00:53:27.000 You know, but I think there has to be something to be said: can you, it would be a great documentary, be a phenomenal documentary, where you have a 16 or 17-year-old, or even a 20-year-old.

00:53:35.000 That's be better, 20-year-old, sit in an auditorium.

00:53:38.000 Could they, without screaming something, listen to a really bad idea?

00:53:44.000 Could they do that?

00:53:45.000 Probably not.

00:53:46.000 Probably not.

00:53:47.000 We are living in a culture that's all about talking.

00:53:47.000 Right?

00:53:49.000 What can I say?

00:53:50.000 What can I do to get my idea out there?

00:53:52.000 We've completely lost the idea of listening.

00:53:55.000 And when I was in high school, my mom forced me to join the high school speech and debate team.

00:54:00.000 And I grumbled for weeks.

00:54:02.000 I said, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

00:54:04.000 You're ruining my life.

00:54:05.000 You know, all the lovely teen angst stuff.

00:54:07.000 But I showed up for a few weeks in a row, and then I completely fell in love with it because debating and having peaceful discussions isn't actually at all about what you say.

00:54:15.000 It's about your ability to sit back and listen and realize what the other person is saying so that you'll have an appropriate response.

00:54:21.000 They're not teaching that to high schoolers and college students these days.

00:54:24.000 And that's why we've just completely lost the ability to not only articulate what we believe in a peaceful way, but listen to anything that's remotely in disagreement with what we're saying.

00:54:32.000 And if you dare disagree, the totalitarian in them will want to silence you and shut you up.

00:54:32.000 That's right.

00:54:37.000 But yeah, the freedom of speech issue is really important, but it's even more than that.

00:54:40.000 It's the self-censorship issue that worries me the most because I think that because the way the courts are going and President Trump will probably get another Supreme Court justice, I think we're going to still gonna have freedom of speech in our country.

00:54:52.000 So that meaning, what do I mean by that?

00:54:54.000 Meaning governmentally, I think you'll still be able to get a poster and go outside.

00:54:57.000 I think that will probably be protected.

00:54:58.000 But there's two other issues that I really fear about.

00:55:01.000 It's not actually the governance side of it.

00:55:03.000 I actually don't fear that much.

00:55:04.000 I don't think that they're going to be the government that's going to be.

00:55:08.000 criminalizing you.

00:55:09.000 I'm worried about the corporations, such as the big tech companies, which we as conservatives have to stop worshiping corporations.

00:55:15.000 It's a huge problem.

00:55:16.000 And so many conservatives are bought and paid for by big tech through their think tanks and through all of their different auxiliaries.

00:55:21.000 They're going, we can't break up the tech companies.

00:55:23.000 Why?

00:55:24.000 What do they produce?

00:55:25.000 They sell you. 0.89

00:55:27.000 They sell you.

00:55:28.000 It is surveillance capitalism.

00:55:30.000 It's wrong.

00:55:31.000 It's really dangerous.

00:55:32.000 So why can't we break them up?

00:55:33.000 Tell me, I mean, is it just because you're dogmatic about it?

00:55:36.000 I don't like that.

00:55:37.000 And so that's the first thing.

00:55:38.000 And the second thing is the self-censorship of people think they're going to lose their friends and lose anything that they care about if they say something that's not correct.

00:55:46.000 And so those two things paired together, in some ways, the government has now been less important in the fight for speech for the first time in our country's history.

00:55:54.000 So usually the government was always the biggest threat of shutting you up.

00:55:57.000 So the government would come say, you can't say this, you can't assemble here.

00:56:00.000 Now for the first time in our country, there are two other bigger threats to shut you up, which is private corporations and private individuals that will just basically punch you in the face, not be tried for it, or just the bully in school that will come after the teacher, the professor.

00:56:17.000 So now it actually takes a non-governmental approach.

00:56:19.000 Now the cultural landscape is actually more important than just filing a lawsuit for freedom of speech.

00:56:23.000 I actually think we're going to be okay that way.

00:56:25.000 I actually think that we're winning those.

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:27.000 Well, consistently we are, actually, especially with Turning Point U.S.

00:56:30.000 Yeah, and minus the religious liberty part of it, which is a really important thing.

00:56:33.000 And I don't want to discount that.

00:56:34.000 The right for the church to assemble.

00:56:36.000 So that's an important thing, the contribution.

00:56:38.000 But I think that generally we're going to win those lawsuits.

00:56:40.000 I do.

00:56:41.000 I don't think there's a plan right now to say, what if Google doesn't want you to be able to speak anymore?

00:56:46.000 What's the plan?

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:47.000 Well, every day we're seeing Twitter accounts shut down for sharing an idea of how to trade a virus, even not anything about policy or politics, but even just about science.

00:56:56.000 So we're seeing this idea of objective truth being completely erased.

00:56:59.000 And what an interesting commentary about people just being afraid to say anything to begin with.

00:57:04.000 Culturally, it is more important for people to silence themselves and tell themselves in an internal monologue, what I'm about to say is not culturally okay.

00:57:13.000 That's a problem.

00:57:14.000 And that really starts, I think, at the root of our college campuses.

00:57:17.000 And so we have long had rules societally of what people can do, right?

00:57:23.000 And so, for example, we say that it wouldn't be good to be able to do drugs on the side of the street.

00:57:28.000 Okay, Los Angeles says you can do that, whatever.

00:57:30.000 And it's a horrible, it's a wasteland.

00:57:33.000 Now we have rules that are built in for what you can think.

00:57:36.000 That's a really dangerous thing.

00:57:38.000 Where it's not that if you even don't say something, this is, then think about this for a second.

00:57:43.000 It's not if you say it.

00:57:46.000 It's if you don't say it, you're going to be published.

00:57:49.000 So it's not that you say, I hate BLM, Which I'm not saying I believe that.

00:57:54.000 I don't like, I think that's hate's too strong of a word, but let's say I think BLM is a terrorist group. 0.76

00:57:59.000 Okay, I think that's true.

00:58:00.000 Okay, BLM Incorporated.

00:58:02.000 Let's just say you're silent. 0.77

00:58:04.000 Why didn't you post the black square? 0.88

00:58:06.000 Mm-hmm.

00:58:06.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:58:08.000 I don't really know how I feel. 0.76

00:58:09.000 You're a bad person.

00:58:10.000 Silence is violence, as they always like to say. 0.51

00:58:12.000 So, what does that mean?

00:58:13.000 What do they mean by that, Isabelle?

00:58:14.000 Yeah, so assuming you say something that's in contradiction to what the leftist mob wants you to say, they're saying your speech is violent.

00:58:21.000 It's harming someone's safety, and that's what they consider to be hate speech.

00:58:24.000 But lately, there's also been this idea that you failing to join the mob, that you failing to say anything, failing to post a black square on your Instagram, failing as a company, for example, to post your commitment to anti-racism all over your website, that your silence is also actually violence and threatening someone's safety or even just emotional well-being.

00:58:42.000 That's totalitarianism.

00:58:44.000 That if you don't do something, then you're the problem.

00:58:49.000 Isabel, people can follow you how?

00:58:51.000 At theIsabelle Brown on Instagram and Facebook, and on Twitter at theisabelleB and everywhere on our Turning Point USA.

00:58:57.000 We're going to have to have you back, professorwatchless.org, tpusa.com.

00:59:01.000 We have some very good announcements.

00:59:03.000 You have some things coming up very soon that I think are very exciting.

00:59:06.000 Yes, indeed.

00:59:07.000 Turning point USA.

00:59:08.000 And everybody, if you guys really are just fed up with the way this country is going, go to tpusa.com, chip in some money, do something to help us, tpusa.com.

00:59:16.000 Also, you guys can support our program at charliekirk.com/slash support.

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00:59:30.000 Any closing thoughts?

00:59:31.000 I don't know.

00:59:32.000 If you're on college campuses this fall, stay strong.

00:59:34.000 We're with you and keep fighting back against all this craziness.

00:59:37.000 Once these campuses open, we are going to go on the most important college tour ever.

00:59:41.000 I can't wait.

00:59:41.000 Me neither.

00:59:42.000 It's going to be so much fun.

00:59:42.000 I can't wait to get back in front of leftists.

00:59:44.000 I have not talked to a leftist in such a long time.

00:59:47.000 Too long.

00:59:48.000 It's not the same if they do a Zoom call.

00:59:49.000 I want to look at you.

00:59:50.000 I want to talk to you.

00:59:52.000 I want to convince you.

00:59:53.000 It's going to be here before we know it.

00:59:54.000 tpusa.com professorwatchless.org.

00:59:56.000 Isabelle, thanks so much.

00:59:57.000 Thanks, Charlie.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 24, 2020

Mandatory Vaccines, Destroying WWII Murals, and COVID Bio Buttons with Campus Insanity Correspondent Isabel Brown

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