The Charlie Kirk Show - Mass Amnesty v. Mass Deportations

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00:02:15.000 What a weekend.

00:02:16.000 President Donald Trump signed the big beautiful bill on Independence Day on July 4th, signaling a massive legislative accomplishment.

00:02:26.000 Tax cut, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security, huge investment in border security.

00:02:32.000 $175 billion for ICE.

00:02:36.000 We're going to talk more about the profundity and the importance of this bill, but it is of great urgent necessity that we cover what is coming next.

00:02:48.000 And yes, we are going to talk about Epstein.

00:02:51.000 We're also going to have live coverage from the awful and the unspeakable tragedy happening in Kerr County and near Hunt, Texas, just a national tragedy with the flooding issue in Texas.

00:03:04.000 But you would think that, hey, we get $175 billion for ICE.

00:03:09.000 We're going to get mass deportations.

00:03:11.000 We're going to be able to have now the largest deportation effort ever.

00:03:16.000 Yes, in theory.

00:03:19.000 But in practice, there's something else afoot.

00:03:22.000 Literally, the day before President Donald Trump was signing the Big Beautiful Bill, I got a couple phone calls from people that you would call members of the ruling class.

00:03:34.000 A lot of money and a lot of connections.

00:03:36.000 They said, Charlie, isn't this amazing?

00:03:38.000 We passed the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:03:39.000 I said, oh, yes, sir.

00:03:41.000 And they said, now we need mass amnesty.

00:03:44.000 What?

00:03:45.000 I said, we haven't even signed the bill yet.

00:03:48.000 They said, yeah, you know, these deportations, we're going to lose the midterms because of the deportations.

00:03:53.000 The people on the right, they'll understand.

00:03:56.000 And we need to come to the middle and we need to legalize the 25 million people here in this country.

00:04:01.000 I was speechless.

00:04:02.000 Because here I am actually thinking, a little naive, we're going to sign this big, beautiful bill.

00:04:10.000 And we're actually going to get mass deportations on and erupted from an asymmetrical attack.

00:04:18.000 So we have somewhere between 20 to 50 million illegal aliens in this country.

00:04:22.000 We don't actually know the numbers.

00:04:24.000 These are all guesstimates.

00:04:26.000 These are all just approximations.

00:04:29.000 And there is a movement afoot as I am doing this broadcast.

00:04:33.000 And this is bigger than anything with Epstein.

00:04:35.000 This is bigger than anything with tax cuts.

00:04:37.000 It is happening right now in Washington, D.C. And I can say this from firsthand experience, that people are pushing President Trump for amnesty.

00:04:47.000 They are pushing him for mass legalization of illegals.

00:04:51.000 Now, President Donald Trump, of course, would never push for amnesty, but President Donald Trump said something at a rally on July 3rd, and my phone lit up like you wouldn't imagine.

00:05:03.000 President Donald Trump was talking about potentially doing a bipartisan compromise deal for illegals that have stolen social security numbers, that are illegally domiciling themselves here in the country, that are all felons. 0.62

00:05:19.000 Every single one of them are felons.

00:05:21.000 They're just not yet indicted felons, but if they're here illegally, you're a felon.

00:05:24.000 It's against federal law.

00:05:25.000 We've gone through all the different federal laws that you break by being here.

00:05:30.000 And this is President Donald Trump speaking at the Iowa rally saying that we might need to do some form.

00:05:39.000 He didn't use the word amnesty, but some form of soft amnesty.

00:05:43.000 And I could tell you now through other reporting that I've been able to do and phone calls, there is a major push right now to do a bipartisan amnesty deal, a major push.

00:05:54.000 People are trying to push the president.

00:05:55.000 Hey, you got the money for ICE.

00:05:57.000 Now we need to go move to the middle on immigration. 1.00

00:05:59.000 Play cut 258.

00:06:01.000 People have worked for a farm on a farm for 14, 15 years, and they get thrown out pretty viciously.

00:06:06.000 And we can't do it.

00:06:08.000 We've got to work with the farmers and people that have hotels and leisure properties too.

00:06:13.000 We're going to work with them and we're going to work very strong and smart.

00:06:17.000 And we're going to put you in charge.

00:06:18.000 We're going to make you responsible.

00:06:20.000 And I think that that's going to make a lot of people happy.

00:06:22.000 Now, serious radical right people who I also happen to like a lot, they may not be quite as happy, but they'll understand, won't they?

00:06:29.000 Do you think They'll understand that you're the one that brought this whole situation up.

00:06:33.000 Brooke Rollins brought it up, and she said, So we have a little problem.

00:06:38.000 The farmers are losing a lot of people, and we figured it out, and we have some great stuff being written.

00:06:44.000 Let the farmers be responsible.

00:06:46.000 Let the farmers be responsible.

00:06:48.000 Look, I trust President Trump's instincts 100% here, but there is a group of people that are pushing President Trump very hard to stop the deportation effort and to try to have some sort of a come to the table moment of a bipartisan compromise.

00:07:06.000 That we need to try to figure out how to make these people have a pathway to citizenship.

00:07:12.000 Now, this is not by any means a knock on President Trump.

00:07:15.000 It is a knock on people that are trying to pressure President Trump and pressure him hard.

00:07:21.000 We don't know any of the details, but President Trump did say that the radical right people that he has a soft spot for wouldn't like this.

00:07:30.000 Hello.

00:07:31.000 Hi.

00:07:31.000 I'm one of those radical right people.

00:07:35.000 And I want to know what I'm not going to like.

00:07:37.000 Because of all the different stuff that's in front of us, if you want to break our coalition, go and push amnesty.

00:07:43.000 That right there would be a complete collapse of everything that we have worked for, everything.

00:07:49.000 So we don't know any details, but it looks as if President Trump might be in preliminary discussions.

00:07:55.000 And I could tell you that there are many different discussions that I've had with people, and they are pushing it hard to create some kind of amnesty proposal aimed specifically at farm laborers in the United States.

00:08:05.000 But it's more than that.

00:08:06.000 It could be hotels.

00:08:07.000 It could be leisure properties.

00:08:10.000 We've heard the arguments about this for years.

00:08:12.000 Well, the crops are going to rot in the fields.

00:08:14.000 There'll be starvation.

00:08:15.000 But here's the main thing that you need to know.

00:08:18.000 We've tried this before.

00:08:20.000 This is not some sort of new thing.

00:08:22.000 And by the way, just so we are clear, I went to an event this last weekend in San Diego.

00:08:27.000 J.D. Vance was there.

00:08:28.000 And another person came up and said, Charlie, do you know what we need?

00:08:32.000 We need to have some sort of pathway citizenship for 25 people.

00:08:34.000 I said, are you guys on all some sort of group chat or something?

00:08:38.000 Are you guys all just coordinating?

00:08:40.000 We have not even 48 hours of the largest investment in border security, deportation, and ICE.

00:08:45.000 And why are you pitching me on mass amnesty?

00:08:49.000 Like, what is that all about?

00:08:51.000 There's a lot of reasons for this.

00:08:52.000 And one of which is the corporate class is deathly afraid that they might actually have to hire Americans and pay a higher wage.

00:08:59.000 Somehow other countries are able to grow food without imported serf labor. 0.99

00:09:04.000 How are they able to do that?

00:09:05.000 I don't know.

00:09:07.000 Apparently, we have built so many parts of our economy to be reliant on foreign criminal invaders that have come into this country. 1.00

00:09:14.000 And some people, oh, we have to allow farmers to transition.

00:09:16.000 No, you deport them back to their country of origin. 0.92

00:09:18.000 All of them.

00:09:19.000 We did not run on mass amnesty.

00:09:21.000 We ran on mass deportations.

00:09:24.000 We did not run on, well, you know, you can transition.

00:09:27.000 Because you know who told us to transition?

00:09:29.000 We tried the transition argument.

00:09:32.000 And we are told, hey, if we do this, Hispanics will vote Republican for a generation. 0.56

00:09:37.000 Hispanics will vote right-wing for a generation. 0.98

00:09:41.000 And Ronald Reagan tried this in 1986.

00:09:44.000 And what is so, what is so frustrating, it's just unspeakably frustrating.

00:09:50.000 We are winning Hispanics in a way we've never won them before because we are so firm on immigration. 0.84

00:09:57.000 It was running against amnesty that got us Hispanic support.

00:10:01.000 And I don't want to hear about people say, well, this is how we beat the Democrats.

00:10:06.000 We just beat the Democrats.

00:10:08.000 We know how to beat them.

00:10:10.000 Don't tell me the Karl Roves of the world.

00:10:13.000 Well, now here's how I beat the Democrats.

00:10:15.000 Everything you have suggested the last 20 years has been wrong on trade, on immigration, on the deep state, on the administrative state.

00:10:24.000 Everything you have suggested on the Iraq war, on foreign policy, it's all been wrong of the Karl Roves of the world.

00:10:31.000 But now, in the year of our Lord 2025, I have to now be lectured that we are going to win back Hispanics, even though we're already winning back Hispanics by compromising the core base as the core campaign promise of our coalition. 0.57

00:10:49.000 I have full faith in President Trump that this will be largely rejected, but the push is on.

00:10:56.000 And President Trump does this a lot.

00:10:58.000 It's kind of a rhetorical practice.

00:11:00.000 He'll throw it out at a rally.

00:11:02.000 Do you like it?

00:11:02.000 Do you not like it?

00:11:04.000 We're going to talk about it, like a trial balloon.

00:11:06.000 He crowdsources his polling.

00:11:09.000 But I could tell you, I know some of the people that are pushing some of this stuff.

00:11:14.000 And we're going to talk more about it because it's been tried before.

00:11:18.000 And this is a red line.

00:11:20.000 Amnesty is a red line.

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00:12:31.000 And I just want to say our reporting has always bared out.

00:12:34.000 I remember back in February, we sent out a tweet that there is a push for airstrikes against Iran.

00:12:39.000 Now, I think President Trump handled the Iranian situation beautifully.

00:12:42.000 But when we get heads up here on this show, we're not a false alarm show.

00:12:47.000 I'm telling you that there is an aggressive movement afoot for a big amnesty compromise deal.

00:12:54.000 So here's what we're told.

00:12:55.000 We're told that we need the workers.

00:12:58.000 There's a lot wrong with that argument, but even if I would sympathize that, then they don't have to be illegal farm workers.

00:13:04.000 They could potentially be seasonal workers that could come legally.

00:13:08.000 We have a whole visa program for that, but even that, I'm very skeptical of.

00:13:12.000 But fine, there's a whole carve-out in the immigration code for that.

00:13:15.000 Number two is: well, it's just hard to get rid of them.

00:13:18.000 I'm sorry.

00:13:18.000 We do hard things in this country.

00:13:20.000 We go to the moon.

00:13:21.000 We build dams that are the spectacle of the world.

00:13:23.000 We win world wars.

00:13:24.000 We're the wealthiest country, the most generous country, the most productive country.

00:13:27.000 We do tough stuff.

00:13:28.000 What did I sign off with last week?

00:13:30.000 I said one of the hardest, most challenging things in front of our country, which will be the most enormous public policy project in front of us, will be the mass deportation of 15 to 20 million people.

00:13:44.000 No one said it's easy, but we do hard stuff in this country, and it's about the reclamation of a republic.

00:13:49.000 And then number three, where I just, this is the one that I get the most animated about.

00:13:53.000 Well, Charlie, amnesty means that we are going to win Hispanics for the future. 0.99

00:14:01.000 This will destroy the Democrat Party.

00:14:04.000 This will ruin them forever.

00:14:06.000 Well, I want to give you a little bit of a history lesson.

00:14:09.000 Front page of the New York Times from 1986, November 7th, 1986, Robert Peer, special of the New York Times, writes, President Reagan signs landmark bill on immigration.

00:14:23.000 It's called the Simpson-Mazzoli Act.

00:14:25.000 And I'm going to post this entire article on charliekirk.com if we're legally allowed to.

00:14:30.000 This is one of the most chilling articles that you can read.

00:14:38.000 Not only is it so applicable today, but all the people are the same people.

00:14:43.000 It's unbelievable.

00:14:44.000 Chuck Schumer was the one that pushed for mass amnesty back in 1986.

00:14:49.000 They're still all there.

00:14:51.000 Let me read this to you.

00:14:52.000 President Reagan today signed a landmark immigration bill that prohibits employers from hiring illegal aliens.

00:14:57.000 Ooh, that sounds good.

00:14:59.000 And offering legal status to many illegal aliens already in the United States.

00:15:02.000 So everyone thought this was great.

00:15:03.000 In fact, they thought Reagan said this, by the way, I think Reagan was a good president in a lot of ways.

00:15:08.000 Reagan was also super overrated in a lot of ways.

00:15:10.000 We got to stop the over-veneration of Ronald Reagan and just be honest, that Ronald Reagan gave us mass amnesty, which is one of the greatest immigration mistakes next to Ted Kennedy's nation of immigrants nonsense. 0.68

00:15:22.000 Just got to be honest.

00:15:22.000 You got to call the shots as it is.

00:15:24.000 We don't venerate people in history unnecessarily.

00:15:27.000 And Reagan did a lot of good stuff. 0.77

00:15:29.000 He's a mixture of good and bad.

00:15:30.000 He's not all good or all bad.

00:15:33.000 So Reagan says this.

00:15:34.000 Reagan said that this was the most comprehensive immigration reform of our laws since 1952.

00:15:40.000 Quote, this is Ronald Reagan.

00:15:42.000 Future generations of Americans will be thankful for our efforts to humanely regain control of our borders and thereby preserve the value of one of the most sacred possessions of our people, American citizenship.

00:15:52.000 I'm sorry.

00:15:53.000 Did we get control of our borders thanks to Ronald Reagan?

00:15:56.000 No, in fact, it got worse.

00:15:57.000 It was more illegal immigration.

00:15:59.000 There were more people that came into the country.

00:16:01.000 But what Ronald Reagan did is Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to millions of people that broke into the country before him because he thought that we would win them over for a generation, that we would win over the Hispanics and they would all be Republican.

00:16:14.000 Mr. Reagan continued, oh, Barney Frank is in here too.

00:16:18.000 It's like all the same people.

00:16:20.000 This is one of my favorite parts.

00:16:22.000 Chuck Schumer says, quote, the bill is a gamble.

00:16:26.000 This is from 1986, a riverboat gamble.

00:16:28.000 There's no guarantee that employer sanctions will work or that amnesty will work.

00:16:33.000 We are headed into uncharted waters.

00:16:36.000 Mr. Schumer said the current situation was unacceptable.

00:16:39.000 The government caught 1.8 million illegal aliens in the fiscal year ended in September 30th, an increase about 30% a year.

00:16:47.000 So about 2 million people were coming across the border a year.

00:16:49.000 And by the way, back in 1986, you weren't allowed to talk about mass deportations.

00:16:53.000 You weren't able to talk about the wall.

00:16:55.000 So what did Ronald Reagan do?

00:16:56.000 Ronald Reagan said, we're going to give them all amnesty.

00:16:59.000 And we're going to have a lot of teeth of the bill.

00:17:01.000 Guess what?

00:17:01.000 All the teeth of the bill got struck down by the court as being racist.

00:17:05.000 So all of the good stuff of the bill got struck down and all of the other measures weren't even enforced.

00:17:10.000 But you know what, of course, was upheld was amnesty.

00:17:14.000 New York Times writes, there's no way to know how many illegal aliens in the United States are.

00:17:17.000 This is seven years before I was born.

00:17:20.000 To give you an idea, seven years before I was born, we had this exact same debate and we did it and we tried it and it was a catastrophe.

00:17:29.000 Not only did it create more illegal immigrants, the border remained open and no, the Hispanics all of a sudden were not Reaganites. 0.98

00:17:35.000 They became the base of the Democrat Party.

00:17:37.000 They became the base of the modern left.

00:17:40.000 Do you know why?

00:17:40.000 And here's what no one wants to talk about.

00:17:42.000 When you give them amnesty, a lot of them are then eligible for government benefits and they can then seamlessly go on food stamps, on welfare, chain migration, and they don't all of a sudden start wearing MAGA hats.

00:17:53.000 I don't know how you win over Hispanics. 1.00

00:17:55.000 Do what Donald Trump did because we won over Hispanics. 0.90

00:17:58.000 It's not amnesty.

00:17:59.000 It's mass deportations.

00:18:01.000 People are saying, Charlie, you know, what about Epstein?

00:18:04.000 Charlie, what about Iran and Netanyahu visiting?

00:18:07.000 I said, look, all that is worthy of maybe a segment.

00:18:09.000 That pales in comparison.

00:18:11.000 Listen to me.

00:18:12.000 That pales in comparison to the civilizational import of whether or not we have deportations or amnesty.

00:18:21.000 All of that is smallball.

00:18:23.000 The Epstein thing we can talk about.

00:18:26.000 We need to deconstruct the administrative state.

00:18:28.000 We need to unseal documents.

00:18:29.000 I agree with all that stuff.

00:18:30.000 Got it.

00:18:31.000 I'm on board for all of it.

00:18:32.000 I have as many questions as you have about all this.

00:18:34.000 But I am a step ahead and trying to say, listen, this amnesty push could ruin everything.

00:18:44.000 Now, I want to listen to you.

00:18:45.000 I want you to listen to this.

00:18:46.000 This is Ronald Reagan, who a lot of people think is wonderful.

00:18:50.000 I think he's fine.

00:18:50.000 I think he's generally a good president.

00:18:52.000 There's a lot of things he did well.

00:18:53.000 More than anything else, he loved America and was a believer in America and had good intentions.

00:18:57.000 And I think he was a patriot.

00:18:59.000 And he did help dismantle the Soviet Union. 0.70

00:19:03.000 And I think he deserves a lot of credit for it.

00:19:04.000 But Reagan exploded the deficit.

00:19:06.000 He expanded the United States military unnecessarily.

00:19:11.000 He never assailed the deep state.

00:19:12.000 And he did mass amnesty.

00:19:14.000 He's also responsible for no fault divorce in California, all sorts of stuff.

00:19:17.000 But mass amnesty was the greatest legislative accomplishment of his term.

00:19:23.000 It was the one that he, honestly, he regretted the most in his later years.

00:19:29.000 And look, you had a grade on a curve.

00:19:31.000 The Cold War was big, and so I want to be very clear and fair about that.

00:19:35.000 This is Ronald Reagan bragging about this piece of legislation.

00:19:40.000 This is Ronald Reagan telling us that people come from all over the world to become Americans.

00:19:45.000 He's pitching mass amnesty to you.

00:19:48.000 This is Ronald Reagan saying that anybody can be an American.

00:19:52.000 And it's so neoliberal idealistic.

00:19:55.000 And at the end of his little diatribe here is one of the more nauseating one-liners from neoliberals, where he says, we get our strength from people around the world.

00:20:08.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:20:09.000 Time out here.

00:20:10.000 We get our strength from our culture.

00:20:13.000 If a nation got their strength from people who just visited and moved there, then France would be amazing right now.

00:20:21.000 London would be incredible.

00:20:24.000 Germany would be the greatest country in the world.

00:20:26.000 Europe would be a great example of mass migration. 1.00

00:20:29.000 It is just pure, shallow, neoliberal garbage. 0.99

00:20:34.000 It's just Reagan not thinking very deeply, reading his words on a piece of paper. 1.00

00:20:40.000 This was the Republican Party before Trump.

00:20:42.000 But I want you to think about what he's saying here as he's signing mass amnesty.

00:20:47.000 He's saying that people that come to the country, that's where we derive our strength from.

00:20:51.000 Play Cut 278.

00:20:53.000 You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman. 0.99

00:20:56.000 You can go to live in Germany or Turkey or Japan, but you cannot become a German, a Turk, or Japanese. 0.89

00:21:03.000 But anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in America and become an American.

00:21:12.000 For it's the great life force of each generation of new Americans that guarantees that America's triumph shall continue unsurpassed into the next century and beyond.

00:21:24.000 Other countries may seek to compete with us, but in one vital area, as a beacon of freedom and opportunity that draws the people of the world, no country on earth comes close.

00:21:35.000 Because unique among nations, we draw our people our strength from every country and every corner of the world.

00:21:44.000 If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost. 0.98

00:21:50.000 If we ever close the door on new Americans, our leadership would be lost.

00:21:55.000 That's how you got Zohran Mamdani.

00:21:57.000 That's how you got Elon Omar. 0.66

00:21:59.000 That's how you got Rashida Tlaib, that ridiculous pablum that Reagan was pushing. 1.00

00:22:05.000 Oh, if we ever close the door on Kenyan refugees, ever close the door on people from Uganda, that's how you have allowed the nation to be infiltrated by Islamists, third worlders, Haitians that do not assimilate. 1.00

00:22:19.000 Be wary, everybody.

00:22:20.000 Be on guard.

00:22:23.000 Because on the heels of this phenomenal legislative accomplishment by President Trump on the border, you knew D.C. wasn't going to allow it because they kind of, they sucked it up to vote for all that border security and that deportation money.

00:22:35.000 And they were whispering, we're getting amnesty next.

00:22:38.000 We got to nip this in the bud.

00:22:40.000 Not going to happen.

00:22:42.000 Red line.

00:22:43.000 And I trust President Trump to come to that conclusion declaratively.

00:22:47.000 What he said at the rally, I'll defend it.

00:22:48.000 It's just rhetorical trial ballooning poll testing.

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00:24:47.000 We're going to cover the Epstein files thing.

00:24:51.000 But in some ways, I just want to take a step back.

00:24:53.000 I want to make sure you guys understand on the Epstein thing, it's important.

00:24:57.000 It's all about the administrative state, but you have to rank things in terms of importance.

00:25:02.000 But as we were planning this program, I said, look, the most important thing is I'm hearing all the chatter.

00:25:07.000 I'm on these group texts, and then I'm getting pitched.

00:25:10.000 And whenever someone pitches me on Mass Amnesty, I say, guys, do you watch the Charlie Kirk show?

00:25:18.000 The big three objections, and I just want to go through them again, is that it's hard to get rid of them.

00:25:23.000 We totally agree.

00:25:24.000 We know it's hard, but we do hard stuff in America.

00:25:26.000 By the way, we have self-deportations, we have ICE, we have all that.

00:25:32.000 And then we have number two, they say, well, so after it's hard is number one.

00:25:37.000 Number two is that, well, it's going to be economically disruptive.

00:25:40.000 Okay, I can understand that to a certain extent, but there are legal carve-outs for seasonal workers.

00:25:46.000 There's H-2B visas.

00:25:48.000 Now, I'm very skeptical about that.

00:25:49.000 I have a lot of concerns about it, but that's a thing.

00:25:53.000 It exists.

00:25:54.000 So you don't have to march across the border and illegally domicile yourself.

00:25:58.000 Now, the H-2 visa, they're supposed to go home. 0.51

00:26:02.000 again, I don't trust it.

00:26:03.000 So maybe ICE can be involved in that and manage it.

00:26:07.000 So that's a whole other component.

00:26:08.000 But that still exists.

00:26:09.000 That's a thing on the books.

00:26:11.000 And then the third of which, which is the one that I just, it's just someone that does not have any political pulse on where the current MAGA movement is.

00:26:20.000 Because if we were to do mass amnesty or anything adjacent to mass amnesty, and look, they're not going to call it amnesty because we have sufficiently been able to define the terms when it comes to amnesty.

00:26:31.000 Reading this unbelievable, I'm going to read more of this story, this New York Times story, is this.

00:26:36.000 You will see a 10 to 15, maybe 20% disappearance of the MAGA voter.

00:26:44.000 If you were to do any form adjacent to amnesty, you would see an evaporation, a disappearance.

00:26:52.000 Andrew says more than that, in my opinion.

00:26:56.000 If you even flirt with this idea, it is by far the number one idea.

00:27:01.000 And let's be honest, guys.

00:27:02.000 Again, Blake is going to hate this.

00:27:04.000 So Blake's in South Dakota right now and great American country, but I don't care.

00:27:07.000 I'm going to say it anyway.

00:27:08.000 He's going to hate this.

00:27:10.000 We have all within a couple of weeks, we have a potential schism over foreign policy.

00:27:15.000 We have the Epstein thing, and then we have the amnesty push. 0.71

00:27:18.000 If you were trying to divide the movement, and if you were trying to basically demoralize, especially the under 35 base that we have helped build, and I sent this to a White House staffer, I said, guys, I said, if you are trying to make my job the hardest possible job, have like the murkiest statement on Epstein imaginable, which is kind of what it was.

00:27:42.000 And then you have the whole foreign policy thing, which again, President Trump navigated well, but still, there's some tough feelings.

00:27:48.000 We got to heal those.

00:27:49.000 We got to remedy that.

00:27:50.000 I'm much more on President Trump's side than that.

00:27:52.000 But I know the audience that I represent.

00:27:54.000 And then you just have a gut punch potentially of amnesty on top of that.

00:27:58.000 This, oh, we need amnesty because the American people want it.

00:28:01.000 No, actually, people want mass deportations.

00:28:04.000 Plug cut 250.

00:28:06.000 Deporting all immigrants who are here illegally, 55% of the New York Times.

00:28:09.000 Marquette, 64%.

00:28:11.000 CBS News, 57%.

00:28:12.000 ABC News with a slightly different question, 56%.

00:28:15.000 So what you're seeing essentially here is very clear indication that a majority of Americans, in fact, when they're asked this blunt question, which I believe gets at the underlying feelings, do in fact want to deport all immigrants who are here illegally.

00:28:29.000 There's no arguing with these different numbers because they're all essentially the same across four different pollsters.

00:28:34.000 55, 64, 57, 56.

00:28:37.000 You can't get a majority agreement on anything.

00:28:40.000 And that is all illegal aliens. 0.84

00:28:43.000 America has been overrun.

00:28:46.000 We have been the charity case of the third world.

00:28:48.000 Biden showed open borders in its full horror.

00:28:52.000 And we are sick of being overrun.

00:28:54.000 So we have a mandate to solve this.

00:28:56.000 Voters voted for this.

00:28:58.000 So why are we even whispering about potentially some sort of bipartisan compromise, especially when 1986 is flagrantly in our face and we're winning Hispanics in major numbers? 0.96

00:29:10.000 This is the red line.

00:29:12.000 And I think President Trump is going to come to that conclusion.

00:29:15.000 But we must stay the course.

00:29:16.000 We must not get weak in the knees.

00:29:19.000 Stay focused.

00:29:20.000 This is what the American people voted for.

00:29:21.000 It's the biggest thing happening in the country.

00:29:23.000 Joining us now is the next governor of the great state of Florida, Congressman Byron Donalds.

00:29:28.000 Congressman welcomes the program really quick out of the gate.

00:29:31.000 We were talking about how there is this push for amnesty, and I have first-hand experience from this.

00:29:37.000 Can you also confirm that you've heard these rumors as well?

00:29:40.000 I've heard talk about it on the Hill, but to be honest with you, I don't think the votes are there.

00:29:45.000 I know that's not something I could support.

00:29:47.000 And let's be very clear why.

00:29:48.000 We've had an illegal immigration issue in the United States for really 40 years.

00:29:52.000 What Joe Biden did the last four was the most unconscionable of all of it.

00:29:57.000 So what we need to do, Charlie, is following what President Trump's already done, which is secure the southern border.

00:30:02.000 That's step one.

00:30:03.000 Step two is finishing border wall construction and the other elements of complete border wall construction and border security at the southern border and also at the northern border.

00:30:12.000 That's what the one big beautiful bill did.

00:30:14.000 The third piece is going to be the deportation efforts along with consistent border security.

00:30:21.000 And that's where this thing is really going to either come together or fall apart.

00:30:25.000 And so I think you got to accomplish the first three, the third of which is going to take several years really for the American people to know that America's government is serious about securing the nation and not just playing games with border security.

00:30:38.000 That's how we got into this mess in the first place.

00:30:40.000 So I don't think it has the votes in the House.

00:30:42.000 Number two, that's not something I could support.

00:30:44.000 We got to obviously secure the border, send a lot of people home. 0.93

00:30:48.000 But when it comes to mass amnesty, I'm not there.

00:30:50.000 And I think there are a lot of members that aren't there either.

00:30:52.000 Yeah, it is a red line.

00:30:53.000 No mass amnesty.

00:30:54.000 And you and I both are hearing the same kind of chatter and the same sort of nonsense that is being pushed.

00:31:00.000 So let's now talk about how important the Big Beautiful Bill is and how it funded ICE and funded the mass deportation effort.

00:31:08.000 That is what we should be emphasizing, how we're going to get deportations because of the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:31:13.000 Brag on it to our audience that might not quite understand the accomplishment, the civilizational win that is included in the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:31:23.000 Well, I'll go back to border security before I get to the tax pieces.

00:31:26.000 We're talking about $150 billion to do the very thing that conservatives, Republicans, and quite frankly, most Americans have been wanting to see since Reagan's amnesty in 1986.

00:31:38.000 So since 1986, there was a promise from the Democrats to fund border wall construction.

00:31:42.000 They reneged on that deal.

00:31:44.000 Donald Trump had to fight tooth and nail just to be able to build a couple hundred miles of it.

00:31:50.000 We are not going to finish border wall construction.

00:31:52.000 That's in this bill.

00:31:53.000 Second thing that's in this bill is the logistical forces, bed space, vehicles for Tom Holman and Christy Noam to do the job of sending criminal illegals out of this country in a timely manner and then beginning to work through the more than 10 million that Joe Biden let in.

00:32:10.000 People need to know what Joe Biden did was a combination of things.

00:32:13.000 He did asylums. 0.92

00:32:14.000 He did parole.

00:32:16.000 He expanded children coming across the border without adults.

00:32:19.000 They were actually separating kids from their parents at the southern border because they figured it was easier back with Title 42 to bring unaccompanied minors into the country before Title 42 was rescinded, and then they had to come back in.

00:32:33.000 They had to come in with an adult.

00:32:34.000 So, the big, beautiful bill lets all of us to accomplish that.

00:32:38.000 When it comes to defense, it gives us money to modernize the defense department in terms of the warfighting effort.

00:32:45.000 Wars and how they have been fought historically have changed significantly over the last decade.

00:32:51.000 What Israel just did in Iran is indicative of that, where it wasn't just your airplanes. 0.71

00:32:57.000 It was also drone technology being used on the ground to take out small sites on the ground.

00:33:02.000 So we have to modernize DOD.

00:33:03.000 That's in the bill.

00:33:04.000 There is provisions in there about being able to become energy dominant, drill, baby, drill, like the president likes to talk about.

00:33:10.000 That's going to mean a lot for the future of our energy security.

00:33:13.000 And then when it comes to tax policy, this is the largest middle-class tax cut in American history.

00:33:18.000 What we did at the top rates is we kept those consistent.

00:33:21.000 So your top earners just have consistent policy back from 2017.

00:33:27.000 That's great stuff in tax policy.

00:33:29.000 But with the new stuff, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax, I believe it's on the first, there's an additional $6,000 tax credit for Social Security benefits.

00:33:39.000 That helps seniors on the bottom end of the income ladder, working families, middle-class families.

00:33:44.000 We kept small business taxes consistent.

00:33:46.000 The Schedule 199A, that was scheduled to go up.

00:33:50.000 So we kept that consistent over the next decade.

00:33:53.000 Actually, I think that part's permanent.

00:33:54.000 We brought in 100% expensing for the next couple of years.

00:33:58.000 So if a business goes out and acquires a piece of equipment, they could expense that 100% on their taxes and have to follow some accountant-derived depreciation schedule to help the tax people in Washington, D.C. So we did monumental tax policy, which is going to stabilize not just our economy, but allow it to grow into the future with energy policy and then the policies that Donald Trump campaigned on that the American people wanted, which is security of the border and deportations for illegals.

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00:35:23.000 So explain the depreciation.

00:35:26.000 For some people in our audience that don't run businesses, they don't quite understand it.

00:35:31.000 What will this mean for economic growth?

00:35:33.000 For people that are now talking about buying new machinery, buying new forklifts, what does this mean for a company, business improvements?

00:35:43.000 And what is this proven to do on the industrial side of our economy?

00:35:49.000 Well, under the president's first tax policy, there was a provision for 100% what we call expensing in the first year, meaning if you buy a piece of equipment under the old tax system, you would depreciate or shave off a portion of that value over a period of years.

00:36:06.000 So if you bought a press, a hydraulic press, let's say, you could actually, you would have to depreciate or take a portion of that value over the next five or seven years on your taxes.

00:36:18.000 And you could probably take the first 30% in year one, another 20% in year two, and that number would shrink every single year until you got to year seven.

00:36:27.000 So as a business, you'd put that money out in year one, but you wouldn't be able to deduct it off your taxes until over a seven year period, which means you delay actually seeing the benefits from a tax perspective on writing down the amount of income.

00:36:42.000 What we did is say, if you bought the piece of equipment in year one, you get to deduct it in year one off your tax liability.

00:36:49.000 What that's going to help businesses do is it's going to incentivize them making capital expenditures in our economy immediately, as opposed to having to find a way to scale out the cost over several years.

00:37:02.000 With the president's position on trade policy, trying to bring manufacturing back to the United States, what that means is if somebody decides that they're going to get out of China and build a plant in America, they would be able to expense the cost of building that plant in the first year.

00:37:18.000 Major incentive for bringing manufacturing to the United States or for businesses currently in the United States to expand your manufacturing capabilities or any other capabilities they might be doing.

00:37:28.000 Great win for economic growth in the United States.

00:37:31.000 What a phenomenal explanation there.

00:37:32.000 Thank you, Byron.

00:37:33.000 Byron, can you also dive into this $1,000 investment account that every new baby is going to get, the Trump Baby Bonus Account, if you will?

00:37:43.000 And look, I don't like to racialize our politics. 0.99

00:37:45.000 I think that's dumb and it's terrible. 0.92

00:37:47.000 But a complaint that you get and that I get whenever I talk to black communities or the black voting bloc is they say, what have politicians ever done for me or for my kids? 0.98

00:37:56.000 Well, now we can say for every new baby, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, do you have a $1,000 investment account that can mature beautifully over 18 years?

00:38:05.000 What will that mean, not just for the politics, but also creating stakeholders that they have some form of, dare I say, equity in the system?

00:38:13.000 Yeah, what that will do essentially creates a wealth fund for every child in America is what it's going to do.

00:38:20.000 As long as parents or the guardian leaves those funds in the account.

00:38:26.000 When you have a deposit like that, when a child is born for the first 18 years of life, I mean, assuming that the money grows at a normal interest rate, what you would have is a growing nest egg for that baby when they're born, whether it's age 18 when they become adults and it becomes their property, or what they really should do is not touch it at all and leave it until the age of 65 or 70 or 72, whenever they decide.

00:38:52.000 I agree.

00:38:53.000 I was told, though, that it's lockboxed.

00:38:55.000 Is that not true?

00:38:56.000 Or can yeah, today it is.

00:38:58.000 And so I would say that, you know, the one thing about Congress is current Congress can't bind a future one.

00:39:03.000 So there's something always, something you have to stay vigilant on.

00:39:06.000 I could just imagine.

00:39:07.000 I just want to understand the moral perversion.

00:39:10.000 Could you imagine that we finally have a win for our kids?

00:39:14.000 We finally have something that is secure and safe and one-way Dropboxed.

00:39:18.000 and some degenerate Congress in the future will be like, hey, now parents can access it.

00:39:22.000 So we could further rob our kids of their future. 0.94

00:39:25.000 So I'm glad you put that caveat on it.

00:39:27.000 But the way it's written right now, parents can access it.

00:39:29.000 Is that right?

00:39:30.000 That is correct.

00:39:30.000 The way it is right now, it's lotboxed.

00:39:33.000 And I was stressed, this is why people have to stay vigilant because future Congresses, they can do what they want to do.

00:39:38.000 But that being said, what this would do is it provides people with an ability to begin to be in the game of building wealth and really building generational wealth.

00:39:46.000 And you would think like, oh, it's $1,000.

00:39:48.000 It's not a lot.

00:39:49.000 But when you look at time value of money, which is the eighth wonder of the world, that deposit will grow over time.

00:39:56.000 For all your listeners in finance, it's called the rule of 72.

00:40:00.000 The rule of 72 is that if your money earns 7.2% over a decade, it doubles over that decade.

00:40:10.000 The converse is also true. 0.90

00:40:11.000 If your money owns 10% over every 7.2 years, it doubles.

00:40:16.000 So your $1,000 theoretically can go to $2,000 to $4,000 to $8,000.

00:40:21.000 And that doesn't say about, and it doesn't say anything against the parents or that individual child deciding to open up other investment accounts and making other deposits as well.

00:40:31.000 Like my son is 21, just started his job last week.

00:40:34.000 The thing we talk to him about is start saving, start saving now.

00:40:37.000 Just put it away because trust me, by the time you start getting into your 60s, it'll be a major pot of money, a couple million dollars actually, when you sit back and look at all the stuff you did.

00:40:48.000 So final thought here.

00:40:49.000 I know that you and your wife, Erica Bowa, you guys are going to be at our Student Action Summit this weekend, are huge school choice advocates.

00:40:56.000 This bill doesn't get it all done, but it's still a massive school choice win accomplishment.

00:41:01.000 Just 30 seconds, brag on that for our audience.

00:41:03.000 Please, Byron Donald's.

00:41:05.000 For the first time ever, there are federal tax credits for school choice.

00:41:09.000 You will be able to, up to a certain threshold, deduct the costs of putting your child in a school that you want from your federal income taxes.

00:41:17.000 Major win for the school choice movement.

00:41:20.000 There was more we wish we could have got done, but this is a great first step.

00:41:23.000 And like I said, can't find a future Congress.

00:41:25.000 We could always add on to it going forward.

00:41:27.000 Byron, great job.

00:41:28.000 We're behind you 100% as you seek to be governor of the state of Florida.

00:41:31.000 We'll see you this weekend in Tampa.

00:41:33.000 God bless, my friend.

00:41:34.000 Thank you.

00:41:34.000 See you, my friend.

00:41:35.000 Take it easy.

00:41:36.000 Some people are very upset that I touched the third rail and I dared criticize thy holiness of Mr. Reagan.

00:41:44.000 I'm sorry he wasn't a perfect president, okay?

00:41:46.000 There's a lot he did wrong.

00:41:47.000 Amnesty was a catastrophic failure.

00:41:50.000 He was a good president.

00:41:51.000 He did more good than bad, but he was not perfect and he should not.

00:41:56.000 I actually think that a lot of the problems of the modern conservative neoliberal movement is the over-veneration of Ronald Reagan.

00:42:04.000 I don't think we should insult him.

00:42:05.000 He wasn't a bad president.

00:42:06.000 He was far better than H.W. Bush.

00:42:08.000 He was way better than Carter.

00:42:09.000 We came out of a malaise.

00:42:11.000 Interest rates went down.

00:42:11.000 I mean, of course.

00:42:13.000 But there's this over-veneration with Reagan that means we need more heroes, okay?

00:42:18.000 That means that there are other things.

00:42:20.000 The conservative mind in the modern era that I was raised in is World War II is basically the most important event ever to exist, and Reagan was the greatest thing ever.

00:42:29.000 Fine, okay.

00:42:30.000 But honestly, I think Dwight D. Eisenhower was a better president than Ronald Reagan.

00:42:33.000 I think Eisenhower is a much better president in every objective possible way.

00:42:37.000 Eisenhower was probably top three of my favorite presidents.

00:42:40.000 Eisenhower did deportations.

00:42:41.000 He built the American highway system.

00:42:43.000 He was non-ideological when it came to trade and economic measures.

00:42:47.000 People forget Eisenhower.

00:42:48.000 We should have a big picture of Ike.

00:42:50.000 Ike warned about the military-industrial complex and an unelected scientific elite.

00:42:55.000 He coined the term in his farewell address.

00:42:57.000 I think Eisenhower was a fabulous president.

00:43:00.000 And for whatever reason, I think I know the reason.

00:43:02.000 It's fine.

00:43:03.000 It's understandable.

00:43:03.000 Reagan was a phenomenal communicator.

00:43:05.000 He was great on TV.

00:43:07.000 He was shot.

00:43:08.000 He was really a positive force when we were so negative in the 70s.

00:43:13.000 So I get that.

00:43:13.000 Trust me.

00:43:14.000 I really, I understand.

00:43:14.000 I didn't live through it, but I get that.

00:43:16.000 He revived American patriotism.

00:43:18.000 He was full of optimism.

00:43:20.000 The 70s was full of Vietnam War protests.

00:43:23.000 And after Carter and after Iran and after the hostage crisis and after high interest rates, and we just felt like a country that was in decline.

00:43:30.000 And Reagan, more than anything else, just was a cheerleader for the nation.

00:43:34.000 And he deserves a lot of credit for that.

00:43:35.000 And he looked good in comparison to his two counterparts prior and after, Carter and Bush.

00:43:41.000 But by no means should we look at what he did with amnesty and say, yeah, we should do that too.

00:43:44.000 In fact, that was a really bad decision he made.

00:43:47.000 So where do the American people stand on amnesty and mass deportations?

00:43:50.000 By the way, as we are doing this program, our kind of warning shot on amnesty, it's going viral all across the internet, which should.

00:43:56.000 By the way, I'm not making this up, obviously.

00:43:58.000 Byron Donalds validated what we said.

00:44:01.000 He said, yep, I've heard the same thing.

00:44:02.000 Let's go to cut 251. 0.99

00:44:04.000 Deport all undocumented immigrants. 1.00

00:44:06.000 You go back to 2015, I'm going to come to your side of the screen. 0.90

00:44:08.000 It was 42%.

00:44:09.000 Hello.

00:44:10.000 Go to 2016.

00:44:11.000 It was 36%.

00:44:12.000 Look at where we are now.

00:44:14.000 This was taken at the end of last year, 56%.

00:44:17.000 This is 20 points higher than it was just before Trump got into office the first time.

00:44:21.000 So feelings towards immigration in this country, feelings towards undocumented immigrants and deporting all of them have become considerably more hawkish.

00:44:30.000 And I think that gives Donald Trump much more leverage to go with the American people and sort of have these hawkish, some might say harsh, different rhetoric and also issue-based sort of going after immigrants who are here illegally. 0.53

00:44:44.000 And so I think the American people are going to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt to do what he wants to do, at least if you believe these blunt questions, including this one.

00:44:52.000 Biden opened the borders and changed public opinion on mass deportations in a supremely powerful way.

00:44:59.000 The Biden-Harris agenda was we're just going to flood the country.

00:45:02.000 It's going to be a charity case for the rest of the world.

00:45:04.000 We will be a dumping ground for the third world, and people are just going to suck it up. 0.99

00:45:07.000 We will change the polity forever.

00:45:09.000 Play cut 252.

00:45:10.000 CNN reports that Americans, number of Americans that want illegals and legals deported is the highest level since 9-11.

00:45:18.000 Play Cut 252.

00:45:19.000 Want immigration levels decreased. 0.99

00:45:21.000 This includes legal and illegal immigration.

00:45:23.000 Look at this.

00:45:24.000 Last year, 55%.

00:45:27.000 That is the highest level since the 9-11 aftermath.

00:45:30.000 You go back just to 2020.

00:45:31.000 And there's, again, legal and illegal.

00:45:34.000 people want less people coming into the country.

00:45:37.000 Exactly.

00:45:37.000 They want less people coming into the country.

00:45:40.000 That's a 14-point rise from 2023.

00:45:40.000 Look at that.

00:45:42.000 You go back to 2016 when Donald Trump again was running for president the first time, it was 38%.

00:45:47.000 That's a 17-point rise.

00:45:48.000 So the bottom line is more folks want people who are here illegally deported, and their overall feelings towards immigration have become considerably more hawkish since Donald Trump was first getting in office case.

00:45:59.000 We are not a nation of immigrants. 0.89

00:46:01.000 We're a nation of settlers that assimilate to what has been built.

00:46:05.000 People have come to this country and they've benefited it tremendously.

00:46:09.000 But it's because they assimilate to something above them.

00:46:12.000 This is the key, is that you must have a transcendent creed or ideal.

00:46:19.000 Diversity is not our strength.

00:46:21.000 And we are not made stronger by open borders.

00:46:24.000 Our culture is amazing.

00:46:25.000 Our people are powerful.

00:46:26.000 Our heritage is precious.

00:46:28.000 We are the greatest civilization ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:46:30.000 And we celebrated this last Independence Day weekend.

00:46:34.000 And President Trump deserves such phenomenal credit for the big beautiful bill.

00:46:37.000 And I believe President Donald Trump will continue to execute on mass deportations and stand up to the amnesty push and the people in his ear right now.

00:46:45.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:46:46.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:46:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 07, 2025

Mass Amnesty v. Mass Deportations

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