The Charlie Kirk Show - Mastering The Playbook Of The Left

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00:00:08.000 Today, I am going to share with you a sermon that I gave at Pastor Rob McCoy's Church.

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00:00:15.000 It's important.

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00:00:50.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:51.000 I think you're really going to be blessed by this.

00:00:53.000 Here we go.

00:00:54.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:56.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:58.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:01.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:04.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:05.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:06.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:08.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:15.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:23.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:26.000 Hello.

00:01:27.000 It's been a while since I've actually spoken somewhere.

00:01:29.000 So it's been a couple months.

00:01:32.000 Hi, everybody.

00:01:33.000 Great to be here.

00:01:35.000 I'm honored to be part of this church.

00:01:37.000 I finally found a pastor that fights.

00:01:40.000 It's so nice to see.

00:01:41.000 Someone who stands for what's right.

00:01:44.000 Incredible.

00:01:45.000 And I want to thank all of you for standing with Rob because they tried their best to deplatform, attack that man for doing the right thing.

00:01:59.000 I was watching from afar in some form of quarantine in Arizona, and I saw the, I watched every week, and I saw the communion service that was held.

00:02:12.000 I mean, you would have thought that it would have been, it's probably the cleanest room in the history of the planet, right?

00:02:18.000 I mean, literally, after every time someone sat down, they were disinfecting it and reinforcing.

00:02:22.000 Unbelievable.

00:02:24.000 And of course, the media, I think one of the news coverage pieces was pretty, rather fair by their standards, but still the local activists thought that this would be the total cause of the worst things in the world.

00:02:37.000 But the church is supposed to be an entity, supposed to be a place that takes difficult stands, that takes necessary stands, especially so that we can celebrate Palm Sunday and Easter.

00:02:53.000 And they took that away from us.

00:02:55.000 And they took those, you know, those days of celebration.

00:02:58.000 You know, they just said, oh, that's not essential, right?

00:03:03.000 But that's why you have Pastor Rob, right?

00:03:06.000 And Rob is, I could tell you, starting a movement across the country, and I'm happy to play a small part of this, to call out other pastors, pastors that are more afraid that they're going to have five people leave bad comments on their social media feed than actually contending and contesting for truth.

00:03:26.000 And so Rob's an inspiration to me.

00:03:29.000 He's my pastor, and I know he's all your pastors as well.

00:03:33.000 And so we can all learn so much from him because we need people that are activists in every single realm and fight for truth.

00:03:41.000 So if you are like me, you're probably very unsettled about what you're seeing in the country right now.

00:03:48.000 And I hope I can offer clarity and hopefully clear up some confusion of exactly what's happening in America.

00:03:57.000 Because what's happening in the streets of Los Angeles and Philadelphia and Atlanta, I've been dealing with for eight years.

00:04:05.000 For eight years, I've been running Turning Point USA, a nationwide student activist organization fighting for first principles, free markets, and America on college campuses.

00:04:15.000 And you probably remember when you guys were nice enough to welcome me to speak a couple months ago and earlier last year, my whole guiding thesis is whatever happens on college campuses will soon happen in the culture of America.

00:04:30.000 I say it every time.

00:04:32.000 And there is an untruth that has spread is that, oh, those are just kids on college campuses.

00:04:40.000 They'll grow up eventually.

00:04:42.000 Or whatever happens on college campuses won't infect the American culture.

00:04:46.000 You've probably heard this before, right?

00:04:49.000 It's so pathologically dangerous and untrue to believe that.

00:04:54.000 That somehow what happens to 23 million young people on college campuses won't all of a sudden metastasize and grow everywhere.

00:05:03.000 And so I'm getting more listenership and more people to our podcast than our what we're doing than ever before because people are saying, how is it that they're able to form a sovereign country in downtown Seattle?

00:05:19.000 So welcome to the 156th country in the world, Chaz. 0.64

00:05:24.000 Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. 0.96

00:05:27.000 Interestingly enough, I guess we can always use every moment as a teaching moment.

00:05:32.000 We now know that nations must have borders, right?

00:05:37.000 We now know that you must prove who you are to get into a sovereign nation.

00:05:41.000 They require IDs.

00:05:43.000 And my favorite part of this whole thing is they say, we're doing this because America's an awful colonialist country.

00:05:50.000 Like what they just did is a very aggressive act of colonialism.

00:05:55.000 They just took over downtown Seattle.

00:06:04.000 So I want to give you an insight into the rules that the left plays by.

00:06:13.000 Because it's actually public and publicized.

00:06:16.000 And if we're serious about contending for truth, we'll talk about truth too, we have to know exactly how the enemy operates and the playbook that they use.

00:06:27.000 But first, let's talk about the necessity of truth.

00:06:31.000 Because one of the things that makes the Christian tradition different than any other religion is that on the hierarchy of ultimate values, the commitment that what we consider to be Lord and Savior, the thing that brings us all together, is that Christ was the embodiment of truth.

00:06:50.000 It wasn't that he said true things, like Moses.

00:06:55.000 It wasn't that he said a couple things that resonated, like some of the prophets.

00:07:00.000 No, he was truth.

00:07:01.000 That's why literally in John we call him Logos.

00:07:05.000 That he is the embodiment of everything that is true.

00:07:08.000 So therefore, at the top of what we consider as Christians to be the most important thing to contend for, it's that in your actions, in your words, truth must be paramount.

00:07:21.000 And you must also operate on the inverse of that, that you must not tolerate things that are not true.

00:07:27.000 That we shouldn't tolerate that things that are so pathologically false to spread without you taking a stand against those things.

00:07:35.000 And as Rob said, whatsoever is true, but the inverse should also be fought for, that whatsoever is untrue must be challenged.

00:07:44.000 And so in the last couple weeks, I have been, let's just say, more vocal than usual.

00:07:53.000 I have been told for the most, let's just say, frustrating reasons, I'm not allowed to speak in the last couple of weeks because of an immutable characteristic that God gave me, being a white Christian male.

00:08:06.000 I have been instructed by the guardians of the zeitgeist that I'm not allowed to speak.

00:08:14.000 So I've talked louder than ever before.

00:08:18.000 And so.

00:08:25.000 Now, mind you, every time I speak, I do not do so disrespectfully or try to offend ever.

00:08:32.000 You do not seek conflict as Christians.

00:08:36.000 I get mislabeled as someone who is a provocateur.

00:08:39.000 That is incorrect.

00:08:41.000 I say things that are true, and then from there, if you are offended by that, that is not my problem.

00:08:50.000 But I do not seek to offend.

00:08:51.000 It is a completely different thing.

00:08:54.000 And so, first of all, what is being argued right now nationally is that because of the way God made you, however God made you in his image, Imago Dei, you're only allowed to say certain things or not say certain things.

00:09:10.000 This is against the Christian ethic fundamentally.

00:09:14.000 The Christian ethic is that, regardless of your skin color, your background, whatever, made in the image of God, that you need redemption as much as the next person needs redemption.

00:09:26.000 It's not as if that person needs redemption more or you need redemption more.

00:09:32.000 Now, this is so different than the way most civilizations operated for the last couple thousand years.

00:09:38.000 The way it worked in the 11th century or in the 8th century was that they would condemn people and they would threaten people, not just you, but your generations beyond you.

00:09:50.000 It would almost be this blood guilt. 0.58

00:09:51.000 Like, oh, you did something wrong. 0.98

00:09:53.000 It's like, we're not just going to cut your head off, but your children's and your children's children will be banished to the peasant class for the next 500 years. 0.92

00:10:02.000 See, what made Christianity different, and it was embodied through Christ, was that you need salvation even if your father is saved. 0.96

00:10:15.000 Your father, your mother can't save you. 0.65

00:10:18.000 They could pray for you, they could pour into you, they could nurture you, but you're actually a singular unit absent of the unit that preceded you.

00:10:26.000 And so, this idea of blood guilt or this idea of group indictment of what came before you is so anti-Christian.

00:10:35.000 We're all in need of redemption no matter what came before you.

00:10:38.000 And even if your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was Abraham Lincoln, you also need redemption.

00:10:46.000 That doesn't make you any, that doesn't give you a hall pass being like, no, I'm actually awesome because I come from a righteous bloodline.

00:10:55.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:10:56.000 This idea that originally the country was founded on was a Christian idea, but now we're going back to tribalism. 0.58

00:11:04.000 We are seeing 300 years of intellectual and philosophical digression in three weeks or less.

00:11:13.000 And it's under, it's because we have far too often sacrificed the need to contest for truth for highly emotive pathological arguments.

00:11:27.000 And I am not diminishing in the slightest injustices that have happened in American history or in the last couple weeks.

00:11:34.000 Every time I speak about this, I say what happened in Minneapolis was wrong.

00:11:38.000 That person should be held accountable.

00:11:40.000 It was a sin, and we should speak out against that.

00:11:43.000 However, making the illogical jump and then saying, well, the country is actually an awful place.

00:11:50.000 Like, hold on a second.

00:11:52.000 One police officer and three cowards that did nothing is not an embodiment or an indictment of a country 337 million people.

00:12:02.000 In fact, I think we're systemically unracist as a country.

00:12:05.000 In fact, I think you have to go search and hunt and look for our racism in our country.

00:12:12.000 In fact, I think most of our dealings, considering how multiracial, multilingual, and multicultural our country is, we're actually a generally decent country to each other.

00:12:22.000 In fact, I think that despite what the architects of chaos are trying to tell you, that it's a miracle we've been able to actually get along so well as we have in our country for the last 50 or 60 or 100 years, bringing in a million people into our country every single year.

00:12:43.000 110 different languages spoken across the country.

00:12:47.000 People from all walks of life.

00:12:50.000 It's incredible.

00:12:51.000 In fact, no other country can boast that.

00:12:55.000 And that story is something we should be incredibly proud of.

00:12:58.000 Now, it's not, I've never ever said America is perfect.

00:13:02.000 That would be a silly thing to say. 0.99

00:13:04.000 It would be foolish. 0.84

00:13:06.000 But we are excellent. 0.93

00:13:07.000 It's a different way to rank it.

00:13:11.000 And to say all of a sudden that we are bitter and awful, and all these different things that I'm seeing the activists purport, first and foremost, it bothers me at a fundamental level because it's untrue.

00:13:24.000 But secondly, it's ungrateful.

00:13:26.000 And that's what bothers me probably even more.

00:13:29.000 Is that there were intentional is that, and I want to speak because we're in a neighborhood here generally that actually is the stereotypical neighborhood that's frustrating me the most.

00:13:45.000 And it's not the velocity of the activism you're seeing right now that makes you feel like things are changing so quickly are not actually, it's being pushed by upper-middle-class suburban social media activists.

00:14:00.000 It's being pushed by corporate America.

00:14:02.000 It's being pushed by places like Thousand Oaks or Westlake Village or Bel Air or Orange County, Santa Ana, Dana Point.

00:14:08.000 You get the type of neighborhood.

00:14:10.000 Those are the neighborhoods that are actually pushing this forward.

00:14:13.000 So here's, I'm a student of history, and knowing history, I think, is one of the most important.

00:14:21.000 To know the road ahead, ask those coming back.

00:14:24.000 I don't say I know everything about history.

00:14:26.000 That would be silly to say.

00:14:27.000 No one would.

00:14:28.000 But you have to have an understanding, especially the 20th century history, to correctly make informed decisions for today.

00:14:38.000 So we don't teach our children 20th century history at all.

00:14:42.000 In fact, when we teach it, we teach incorrectly, if like kind of a passerby.

00:14:46.000 I'm talking about Mao's China. 0.57

00:14:50.000 I'm talking about Pol Pot. 0.52

00:14:52.000 I'm talking about Stalin and Mussolini.

00:14:55.000 The 20th century was a bloodbath.

00:14:59.000 And it was only 50 or 60 or 70 years ago.

00:15:01.000 In fact, we have people probably in this community that were refugees from some of these ideologies.

00:15:08.000 But what were these ideologies?

00:15:10.000 So there are three huge takeaways from the 20th century that we just have to admit before we make any other public policy decisions, okay?

00:15:18.000 The first of which, the promise of utopia is a death sentence.

00:15:23.000 That's like a really good takeaway of the 20th century.

00:15:26.000 That when you have demagogues that are parading around promising that they can create heaven on earth, that's an assured death sentence.

00:15:37.000 Here's a good operating matrix, and those of us that are Christians know this.

00:15:43.000 We can create hell on earth, but we can't create heaven on earth. 0.96

00:15:49.000 It's a very important recognition.

00:15:51.000 If you want, we can create absolute suffering, because life is already in some form suffering.

00:15:57.000 But we can never create perfection or some form of heaven.

00:16:00.000 That's why we have a belief and an assuredness in an afterlife and a creator that gives us that.

00:16:08.000 And imagine the pride and the hubris it must take, the authoritarian mindset that must set in.

00:16:17.000 Like everyone else before me got it wrong, but me, I can create it perfectly.

00:16:24.000 You must not believe in God if you believe in that, which is a whole another deeper conversation.

00:16:29.000 Number two, the takeaway from the 20th century.

00:16:32.000 The mobilizing of resentments is guaranteed conflict.

00:16:38.000 So when you mobilize people based on resentments, you're going to have conflict.

00:16:43.000 It's going to happen.

00:16:46.000 When you take one group, like the Bolsheviks, and you turn them against the Mensheviks, it's not going to end well.

00:16:53.000 And when you have certain demagogues that play into those grievances and hyper-focus on the grievances and then try to use those grievances as a reason to give themselves more power, that is not a good recipe at all.

00:17:08.000 And I'm not saying that you shouldn't acknowledge that grievances exist.

00:17:12.000 It's not what I'm saying.

00:17:14.000 Instead, I'm saying when you mobilize those grievances for a very particular political objective, not good at all.

00:17:22.000 Finally, number three, and let's just recap.

00:17:25.000 100 million innocent people died in the 20th century because of these three things.

00:17:29.000 100 million innocents.

00:17:31.000 40 million in Mao's China, 60 million more or less in Stalin's Russia, Vietnam, Italy, you know the rest. 0.91

00:17:38.000 Grouping people on immutable characteristics is a gateway to a bloodbath. 0.99

00:17:46.000 This probably is the one that most people agree with and they know to be true. 0.98

00:17:51.000 Saying like, over you, because of how God made you, there's something wrong or right because of you.

00:18:00.000 That should be a really easy takeaway from the 20th century, right?

00:18:04.000 That as soon as you get into that type of conversation, you should back away and say, hold on a second, this is not good.

00:18:11.000 So explain to me how what we're talking about now is any different than grouping people based on immutable characteristics.

00:18:19.000 I have been told by members of the media and the corporate elite that I have to shut down because I espouse whiteness.

00:18:26.000 Seriously.

00:18:29.000 I have activists reaching out to me that say, Charlie, on the far left, you must stop speaking because of your white privilege.

00:18:39.000 Okay, fine.

00:18:41.000 That's a tepper conversation on all that.

00:18:44.000 But even the presupposition of gathering people and organizing them based on the color of their skin is inherently a prejudiced idea of organizing human beings.

00:18:56.000 Talk about my character, my language, my worldview.

00:19:02.000 Talking about the melanin content in my skin would be a 1,000-year devolution back into tribalism that so many people sacrificed so that we could have a society where that is supposed to not be the primary, if not at all, reason how we organize human beings.

00:19:20.000 So we're dealing in this idea right now, and the idea of white privilege is completely opposite of the Christian ethic.

00:19:28.000 It is. 0.60

00:19:29.000 It's totally, it's opposite of everything that Galatians 3.28, where your skin color, your class, it's all immaterial.

00:19:38.000 In the eyes of God, you're all children of Christ. 0.60

00:19:41.000 That's a Christian idea.

00:19:44.000 But the left doesn't, most of them don't even believe in God.

00:19:48.000 Now, before I get into the rules, because it's very important of how the left operates, I do want to say that one of the other reasons I love Rob so much is that he also contends against other pastors.

00:20:01.000 And to see how many pastors and churches have voluntarily now participated in this sensationalist moment in American history has been so disappointing.

00:20:17.000 In fact, I've been part of this tangentially where pastors have been liking my social media posts.

00:20:26.000 Then they come out and they say, oh, I don't really like that guy.

00:20:29.000 I apologize.

00:20:30.000 He's awful.

00:20:31.000 Like, well, I didn't ask you to like my posts, okay?

00:20:35.000 Thank you.

00:20:36.000 And then the church gets divided over it, throws me under the bus.

00:20:39.000 Big pastors, big churches.

00:20:40.000 I'm talking about 60,000 member churches, right?

00:20:43.000 No stand for truth, more worried that they might get run out as a pastor.

00:20:47.000 And I was like, so what if you lose your pastorship over that?

00:20:49.000 I mean, wouldn't it be more important to stand for truth?

00:20:51.000 And that's one of the things is that once you surrender yourself to a commitment to tell the truth in every instance, to contest for truth, because knowing the truth is helpful.

00:21:03.000 Maybe for you, but if you just tell the truth, if you just know the truth and you're just in your room all day long, that's awfully selfish, actually, when you think about it.

00:21:13.000 See, so the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5, it gets mislabeled by certain Christians as like this quasi-hippie dialogue. 0.83

00:21:22.000 Seriously, like you're a flower, you're a bird, like it's all this, right?

00:21:26.000 They're totally mislabeled.

00:21:27.000 When in reality, it was Christ expounding on the, as Rob calls it, the moral app that God gave Moses, like the laws are what you shouldn't do.

00:21:37.000 Christ then dealed in the positive.

00:21:39.000 Here's what you can do if you actually contest for truth.

00:21:42.000 Here's what you can create.

00:21:44.000 And we don't really materially know what that is, but it is, it's, I'm going to stand declaratively and say this, this whatsoever is true, I'm going to contend for.

00:21:54.000 Now, knowing truth, helpful, awesome.

00:21:57.000 Fighting for truth, hard, different things.

00:22:01.000 There's a price to the second one.

00:22:03.000 So I know a lot of people that know truth, but contesting for it, everyone has their own calling and their own way to do it.

00:22:11.000 Now, the problem is that some of these churches don't even know the truth.

00:22:16.000 That's a whole different conversation, which is a deeper, deeper, deeper thing.

00:22:20.000 So I've been contesting with the left for years, as you know.

00:22:26.000 And there's a book that many of you have heard, and I want to dive into it, which is probably the most important piece of literature around the idea of organizing and effectuating leftist social change.

00:22:41.000 Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis about this book.

00:22:44.000 Barack Obama learned under this person.

00:22:46.000 I know a lot of you people know about this, but it's helpful if you know the 13 rules to hear it again.

00:22:54.000 And it's helpful if you have no idea what I'm talking about.

00:22:57.000 So the book is called Rules for Radicals.

00:23:00.000 It is written by Saul Alinsky.

00:23:03.000 He was a Chicago community organizer.

00:23:06.000 He trained Barack Obama.

00:23:08.000 Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis that I mentioned at Wellesley.

00:23:11.000 She was a Goldwater girl until learning about Saul Linsky.

00:23:14.000 Now let's just start.

00:23:16.000 This is not a secular document.

00:23:19.000 Start with that.

00:23:22.000 The first thing it says in the book is I'm going to dedicate this book to the first rebel, to Lucifer, the first fallen angel. 0.61

00:23:32.000 It's the dedication to Rules for Radicals.

00:23:34.000 So this book is circulated, taught, poured into by every radical leftist.

00:23:42.000 I think maybe two Republican members of Congress can name me two of these 13 rules.

00:23:47.000 This is their Ten Commandments.

00:23:50.000 Okay?

00:23:50.000 So we have Ten Commandments that act for us to act morally, right?

00:23:55.000 Don't lie, don't steal, don't covet, treat people honorably, treat your parents honorably, all of that.

00:24:01.000 Their rules are about how to deconstruct things around them.

00:24:05.000 What would motivate someone to do something like that is a five-hour lecture I'm happy to give at a different time.

00:24:11.000 Okay.

00:24:13.000 This should, I think, start to click for you when you start to hear these rules.

00:24:18.000 Okay, number one, power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.

00:24:23.000 Rule number one.

00:24:24.000 So the radicals always try to present as if they're bigger than they really are.

00:24:28.000 And that's true.

00:24:30.000 So that should first give you hope that there's actually not as much support behind what they're saying as what there is.

00:24:38.000 Now, mind you, he wrote this literally in there of how to effectuate Marxist change in America.

00:24:43.000 Rule number two, never go outside the expertise of your people, ever.

00:24:48.000 Now they violate that rule, especially recently.

00:24:50.000 They're sending people on television talking about abolishing the police and that if you even ask about it, it's violating their privilege.

00:24:57.000 We'll get back to that one.

00:24:59.000 Rule number three, wherever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.

00:25:03.000 So take us off our home turf, right?

00:25:06.000 Contest with us where we're not comfortable.

00:25:08.000 Rule number four, this is a good one.

00:25:12.000 Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.

00:25:15.000 So what do they do?

00:25:17.000 Hey, church, I thought you said you want to help the least of these.

00:25:21.000 Hey, church, weren't you called to action for the disadvantaged? 0.88

00:25:26.000 That's how they use the book of rules that we care, and they incorrectly apply it against the organism they're trying to destroy.

00:25:35.000 Number five, ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

00:25:41.000 Is that ever true?

00:25:43.000 Ridicule, mockery, intense attack against any person.

00:25:48.000 How many of you have probably lost friends and all because of ridicule, right?

00:25:52.000 The mob comes after you, like instantaneously.

00:25:54.000 Rule number six, a good tactic is one your people enjoy, like stealing televisions in Long Beach.

00:26:03.000 A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag to the purpose.

00:26:08.000 Okay.

00:26:10.000 Oof.

00:26:11.000 Number eight, keep the pressure on.

00:26:17.000 They're committed to daily going after the specific purpose.

00:26:21.000 Number nine, the threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

00:26:26.000 That should give you comfort.

00:26:27.000 This is what they operate on.

00:26:28.000 They make it seem as if they have a bigger sword than they really do.

00:26:31.000 Rule number 10, the major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain pressure.

00:26:37.000 It's a little bit more of a complicated one, but basically everything is about applying pressure on what they call the enemy.

00:26:43.000 Number 11, this is a very interesting one.

00:26:45.000 If you push a negative hard enough, it will break through on the counterside.

00:26:50.000 Abolish police, abolish police, abolish police.

00:26:53.000 All of a sudden, it breaks through on the counterside where people are like, well, maybe we should.

00:26:57.000 Maybe we should.

00:26:59.000 Number 12, the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

00:27:05.000 Number 13, this is the one that's probably the most applicable to today.

00:27:09.000 Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

00:27:17.000 These are the 13 rules that the radical redefinitionists are using every single day.

00:27:24.000 So our rules are a little different because we serve a higher purpose than this.

00:27:29.000 But understand, the only thing that can confront these correctly is contesting for truth.

00:27:39.000 See, all of these work really well If you have decentralized, disorganized individuals that are not together fighting under the same type of message or unity.

00:27:57.000 And so you have, they think they have a moment right now to effectuate massive, massive social change.

00:28:06.000 And they're probably right.

00:28:10.000 The lack of backup that I have seen in the Christian and conservative circles in the last three weeks has given me more angst about the future of America than any other time in the history of the country.

00:28:27.000 Now, I'm comforted by scripture where Rob said, no, no, you don't understand.

00:28:33.000 This is like Gideon's army.

00:28:34.000 It's like, always the perpetual optimist, right?

00:28:36.000 No matter what it is.

00:28:37.000 You know, the thing about Rob, we'll be totally surrounded.

00:28:42.000 And Rob will turn to me and he'll say, you know the best thing about being surrounded is?

00:28:45.000 I say, what?

00:28:46.000 He's like, you could shoot in any direction.

00:28:59.000 Amen, right?

00:29:02.000 So the good thing about us feeling surrounded is no matter what we do right now, we could do something.

00:29:11.000 If you have a why, you can figure out the how.

00:29:15.000 It's a very important lesson that I've known.

00:29:18.000 The why of what we're fighting for, ultimate truth.

00:29:22.000 The hierarchy of the battle and the necessity for that struggle is the story of Western civilization.

00:29:32.000 What makes the power grabbers and the autocrats and the merchants of chaos, what makes them nervous, is a church that rises up.

00:29:43.000 That's it.

00:29:44.000 It really is.

00:29:45.000 Now, the church is supposed to be the last stand of liberty and freedom. 0.73

00:29:55.000 This is exactly why they have funded billions of dollars into the American church to the nicest word I can say is deceive the Christian community to believe things that are not true. 0.86

00:30:12.000 I think it was Christianity today. 0.84

00:30:13.000 I get a confused Christian post.

00:30:15.000 Christianity Today yesterday says that the church should step up and pay reparations to black people of generations. 0.97

00:30:21.000 It's Christianity today. 0.94

00:30:23.000 So I have so many questions about this article that they wrote.

00:30:26.000 First of all, how is that consistent with the Christian ethic?

00:30:29.000 First of all, the Bible tells us if you have sinned, first and foremost, atone to your Creator.

00:30:35.000 You need ultimate redemption.

00:30:36.000 Seek it and surrender yourself.

00:30:38.000 Secondly, atone to the person that you have disadvantaged.

00:30:42.000 Go to them.

00:30:42.000 Look at them in the eyes and say, I've sinned against you.

00:30:45.000 Third of all, if you actually want to effectuate big social change, you go do that.

00:30:52.000 Don't go tell somebody else to go do that for you.

00:30:54.000 Don't go say, hey, politician or bureaucrat B, go make the world a better place.

00:30:58.000 I'm going to go surf. 0.90

00:31:01.000 That's not the way the Christian ethic works. 1.00

00:31:03.000 It's, you go down to Skid Row and go sacrifice a weekend.

00:31:10.000 It's not, you can't delegate your willingness to change the world.

00:31:17.000 How many of these activists that have been marching in the streets do you think actually have an organized life?

00:31:24.000 How many of these activists that have been burning down buildings, these rioters, do you think are willing to say on a daily basis, things are not going the way I want them to go and I take responsibility for that?

00:31:38.000 Do you think that is a sentence that is said by them a lot?

00:31:42.000 How many of them do you think say, I surrender totally and completely to a sovereign, merciful God that sent his son?

00:31:54.000 How many of those people do you think say that?

00:31:56.000 Probably very few.

00:31:57.000 And I don't want to generalize, but I've battled these people for long enough.

00:32:02.000 I think it's fair to say.

00:32:05.000 All that being said, what is so critical and what's being contested for is I know all of you agree it's spiritual.

00:32:16.000 It obviously is.

00:32:18.000 But with the church being winnowed down and pastors running to the hills because a couple people said mean things to them, which, again, is so perplexing to me because some of these pastors, and some of them are massive pastors here in Southern California that I've seen, huge pastors that were churches I thought were great.

00:32:35.000 And, you know, they come up and they say, you know, if you don't accept Jesus, you can go to hell.

00:32:41.000 It's this awful, you know, totally, really good Bible teaching.

00:32:44.000 And then they're telling me they don't want to offend their congregation.

00:32:48.000 I'm like, you just told them if they don't accept Christ, it's eternal damnation.

00:32:51.000 Like, how does it get more offensive than that?

00:32:55.000 It's like...

00:32:59.000 Like, definitionally, using any form of logical decision-making matrix, forever burning, is probably worse than talking about whatever you're afraid of.

00:33:12.000 Like, I just, it's, and really what it comes down to, in my personal opinion, is that there's some in the Christian community that are just totally afraid to contest for it because of a lack of fluency or a lack of literacy in that particular topic.

00:33:30.000 And or there is this incorrect assumption that the church can operate in its own quarantined bubble.

00:33:40.000 Get that?

00:33:41.000 That somehow this here is only about one thing, which is we're going to try to get people to be eternally saved.

00:33:52.000 The most important thing, by the way, totally agree.

00:33:54.000 But as Rob says, create disciples, not converts.

00:33:58.000 Discipleship is a lifelong pouring in.

00:34:01.000 And what I have found is this.

00:34:02.000 The reason why this church is packed more so than ever before, why people are seeking out our platforms, is Christians are looking for this more than ever before.

00:34:13.000 Because they're not getting organized thinking from their pastors.

00:34:16.000 They get the salvation totally, and they start reading their Bible, and they start to see that there's a solution to chaos all throughout the Bible.

00:34:26.000 Because that's really the story of the Bible, is we're going to create something, it's going to get destroyed, go to chaos, go back to God, he'll recreate it.

00:34:33.000 It's basically this repeating pattern, right?

00:34:36.000 And it's an overgeneralization, but that's basically the story that repeats itself all throughout the Old Testament, right?

00:34:42.000 Like, I'm going to give you a king, he's going to screw up eventually, Israel gets shattered, go to the wilderness, atone, reorganize yourself, I'll give you Israel back, and then you're going to screw it up again.

00:34:52.000 And like, that's the story, by the way, archetypically, that's your story too.

00:34:57.000 Seriously, that's your story every single day.

00:35:00.000 Like, I'm going to get myself organized, showered, we're ready to go, go to work, and life hits you, and all this, go to the wilderness, I don't know what I need, I got to go back to God, we're going to do it all over again, right?

00:35:16.000 And what the New Testament does is it answers the riddle of the Old Testament, which is like, how long do we have to do this thing?

00:35:25.000 And that the New Testament answers from a psychological perspective is you don't.

00:35:30.000 Just surrender.

00:35:31.000 Like, there's a reason why he came.

00:35:33.000 It's the ultimate answer.

00:35:35.000 It's the ultimate, it is the ultimate gift because you no longer, you have to understand that this earthly building and rebuilding and chaos and wilderness, it's never going to get you fulfillment.

00:35:48.000 It's never going to get you the ultimate answer.

00:35:51.000 And so knowing this to be true, and I know that we have more services, so I don't want to speak for too long.

00:36:00.000 But knowing this to be true, we as Christians have to contest more than ever before.

00:36:09.000 And so to kind of go back to what I was saying about some of the megachurches and people that were posting there and what they were doing, I find that it's somewhat predictable.

00:36:24.000 And human beings operate in patterns.

00:36:28.000 The American Revolution was fought by less than 3% of the citizens of the country.

00:36:31.000 In fact, 30% actively helped King George.

00:36:35.000 30%.

00:36:36.000 30% did nothing.

00:36:38.000 And so it only takes a small group of dedicated individuals, but it was Bible-believing, scripture-understanding people that rose up against King George in that phenomenal great leap forward that created Western society as we know it.

00:36:54.000 And so I'm not totally making an equivalency that we're at that moment right now in American history.

00:37:01.000 But we're definitely on the way.

00:37:04.000 That's, I think, fair to say.

00:37:06.000 Now, in closing, and then I'll let Rob come up.

00:37:10.000 I don't know what I'm at with time and everything, but we'll figure it out.

00:37:13.000 Okay.

00:37:14.000 So in almost closing, I guess you should say.

00:37:20.000 And I call a lot of this woke Christianity, by the way, which is kind of a playoff of mere Christianity, right?

00:37:26.000 So if you don't know what the term woke means, how do I best describe this?

00:37:32.000 It is a leftist term to try to say someone who really understands the issues of the struggle of the left.

00:37:41.000 And I'm probably being very generous in my description of that, right?

00:37:44.000 But it's someone that radically and fundamentally thinks that what needs to happen in the country is fundamental definition, redefinition and destruction.

00:37:56.000 So here's what I'm doing, and then we'll take it wherever we want, right?

00:38:01.000 So you guys know I fight on college campuses every single day.

00:38:04.000 I do two podcasts a day.

00:38:06.000 I appreciate that.

00:38:06.000 Thank you.

00:38:13.000 Two podcasts a day.

00:38:14.000 Rob's my guest today on the podcast, so you guys can check it out.

00:38:18.000 It's his fourth appearance on the podcast.

00:38:20.000 He's just, he's a, he's a bounty, he's a continual blessing to the country, and I think more people need to be made aware of Rob, and they are.

00:38:29.000 So that's good.

00:38:33.000 But understand this.

00:38:36.000 Where does all this activism, where does all of this go next?

00:38:41.000 Goes to my place, college campuses.

00:38:45.000 So all of this energy is going to go to every college campus across the country.

00:38:51.000 So I look at root causes.

00:38:53.000 How would anyone think of trying to create a sovereign nation in Seattle?

00:38:59.000 Well, it's no different than when I dealt with University of Vermont or Tufts University radicals that stormed the president's office and they created their own sovereign student community.

00:39:10.000 Understand the root cause of all of this is our either abdication or how complicit we have been with higher education's role to destroy our country.

00:39:24.000 And I know those are fighting words, but I wouldn't say them unless I know they are true.

00:39:32.000 We've been sending our kids there for a couple decades, and we wonder why they become radical leftists and they no longer believe in God.

00:39:38.000 And if they're not part of that, praise God, right?

00:39:42.000 However, I've seen it happen so many times.

00:39:44.000 We send our money to our alma mater, thinking that somehow it's going to continue to educate the next generation.

00:39:50.000 Well, it helps them build bigger buildings so that they can teach hatred of our country in bigger rooms or something.

00:39:56.000 And so that's what I'm contesting for.

00:39:59.000 That's what I'm fighting for every single day.

00:40:00.000 And it's going to be a battle.

00:40:02.000 I mean, this fall will be the most dangerous semester ever for Trump supporters and students.

00:40:08.000 Our students will get hospitalized.

00:40:09.000 Our students will have their lives put in danger.

00:40:12.000 The media will not cover it.

00:40:14.000 Christians will be under attack.

00:40:15.000 More people will retreat to the hills. 0.99

00:40:17.000 But we knew this was coming.

00:40:19.000 That's what we signed up for.

00:40:21.000 That's why those of you guys that support me, I do what I do so I could take the arrows and the lashings and all that stuff, metaphorically, of course, sometimes literally, but that's Bryce's job, not my job.

00:40:33.000 So, and that's where we're at.

00:40:39.000 And the cultural conversation is going to come to a head on our campuses.

00:40:43.000 We need more fighters.

00:40:44.000 And so, but that's okay.

00:40:45.000 If you're not in a place to fight, I understand.

00:40:47.000 There's three types of people.

00:40:49.000 And Dennis Prager says this quite often: there's the people that are on the opposition or the people that do nothing.

00:40:55.000 So just forget those people, right?

00:40:57.000 There's the fighters and the people that help the fighters.

00:41:00.000 So never diminish that in the Revolutionary War, the people that were donating supplies, running the supply chain, were just as instrumental to the actual revolutionaries on the front, on the front line.

00:41:14.000 So be someone that helps the fighter.

00:41:16.000 Here's my call to action: spend more on cultural political engagement every single year than you do on coffee.

00:41:21.000 That's all I ask.

00:41:27.000 And so, if you spend more on cultural political engagement than you do on coffee, if every Christian conservative did that, the world would be a better place.

00:41:42.000 So we have a little bit of time, and Charlie and I enjoy doing this together, so we're going to do a question and answer. 0.52

00:41:59.000 Great.

00:42:00.000 And we're motivating.

00:42:01.000 We can take four questions because we have four books.

00:42:03.000 Okay.

00:42:04.000 And these are signed by Charlie.

00:42:06.000 So if it's a really good question and it's not lengthy and you're not bloviating, you'll get a book.

00:42:14.000 So we'll do that.

00:42:16.000 And then one last thing is: you know, you were talking about the Revolutionary War, and you had John Hancock who signed his signature so big King George could read it, or so the wives tale says.

00:42:29.000 And then you had Thomas Paine, who wrote The American Crisis, and then George Washington.

00:42:33.000 Hamilton or Hancock never wore the uniform of the Continental Army.

00:42:39.000 Thomas Paine was an agnostic at best, an atheist at worst.

00:42:45.000 And then George Washington.

00:42:46.000 But all three were necessary for that revolution.

00:42:49.000 And the thing I so appreciate about Charlie and Turning Point USA is they are a secular 501c3, but they do more for leading folks to the Lord than the majority of churches in America because, yeah.

00:43:08.000 Young people are hungry for the truth and also for a future that has hope.

00:43:12.000 I mean, this is now, if you've been alive for 21 years on this earth, you've now survived your seventh global warming flooding.

00:43:23.000 You know, the world's coming to an end.

00:43:25.000 But what Charlie and Turning Point USA and all those students do is Galatians 3 says that the law is a school teacher, a guardian, to point us to Christ until faith comes.

00:43:35.000 And when they lay that out on college campuses, students come and then they want to know the source of that liberty.

00:43:40.000 And every single time, that's the profound gift that God has given Charlie.

00:43:45.000 And so one more round of applause.

00:43:47.000 Thank you, Charlie, for everything.

00:43:48.000 You want to get some questions?

00:43:53.000 We had a question back here.

00:43:56.000 Yes?

00:44:02.000 George Floyd.

00:44:04.000 And I've been in healthcare my whole life, and I'm concerned that the community, the situation that happened I felt was absolutely tragic, and the police officer was wrong, but they made George Floyd, who had a very long criminal past, a hero.

00:44:22.000 And the community is the United States.

00:44:25.000 The question is, why?

00:44:26.000 Why have they taken?

00:44:28.000 I'm not going to comment on that.

00:44:29.000 I encourage you to look at Candace Owens' latest video.

00:44:32.000 Thank you, though.

00:44:33.000 All right.

00:44:38.000 I don't have that many books.

00:44:42.000 With the education the way it is right now, how do you see us going about turning around the college campuses as parents?

00:44:51.000 Yeah, the college campuses will never be turned around.

00:44:53.000 So they are two prized possessions of the American left.

00:44:57.000 So you have a decision.

00:45:00.000 Everyone will make independent decisions, right?

00:45:02.000 So you have a couple ones.

00:45:03.000 You have to ask yourself, does my kid need to go to college?

00:45:06.000 And if so, I have a good reason.

00:45:09.000 And that's fine.

00:45:10.000 I'm not anti-college.

00:45:11.000 I think that if you want to be an engineer or a lawyer, it's a terrific place.

00:45:15.000 But going to go find yourself, you'll lose yourself.

00:45:18.000 And that's a very important thing to know.

00:45:22.000 Secondly, there are some phenomenal schools out there.

00:45:25.000 I have a project at Liberty University, the Falkirk Center for Faith and Liberty.

00:45:29.000 I encourage all of you to check it out.

00:45:31.000 Liberty is terrific.

00:45:32.000 And Hillsdale is great, amongst other schools.

00:45:35.000 So there are some good ones, but they're less than 1%.

00:45:37.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:45:39.000 Third is ask yourself the question: what if?

00:45:44.000 What if they didn't go?

00:45:45.000 What would that life look like?

00:45:47.000 And I think more, and I'm actually probably writing my next book on this because I think so many people, I think that provocative question needs to be asked.

00:45:57.000 But for example, I do three to four hours a night, and Erica will tell you this, my girlfriend, who's terrific, three to four hours a night of studying, watching lectures, diving into great books.

00:46:11.000 If you think college will give you a thirst for knowledge, maybe, but we live in a world where all that information is free and online in real time.

00:46:20.000 It's more about the motivation of the individual.

00:46:23.000 And so if it's about getting the credential, totally get that.

00:46:26.000 If that credential matters to you, then admit it and say, I'm going for a piece of paper.

00:46:31.000 But if you think you're going to be enlightened, that's not the place to go get enlightened.

00:46:37.000 The question here was: say it again.

00:46:41.000 How do we go around trying to change the college campus?

00:46:44.000 How do you change the college campus?

00:46:45.000 I know the other three questions.

00:46:46.000 I don't know why I can't remember yours.

00:46:48.000 I answered that.

00:46:48.000 Yeah.

00:46:49.000 You just answered it.

00:46:50.000 Okay.

00:46:52.000 And the other one is: unless you went to one of the really good colleges, I really encourage you to divest your gifts from colleges.

00:47:00.000 The other question was: how do you speak to young people?

00:47:00.000 I really do.

00:47:03.000 Because we have a number of folks that, you know, their kids are wayward.

00:47:09.000 Sure.

00:47:10.000 What's up in that?

00:47:11.000 How do you get them woke?

00:47:13.000 Well.

00:47:15.000 Don't want that.

00:47:17.000 In a good way.

00:47:19.000 Yeah.

00:47:21.000 I have a contrarian opinion here, and it's worked for me, which is I don't pander, and I lose people because of that, but I think the evidence shows it's actually a very effective strategy based on what we've built and what I've done.

00:47:36.000 And I think this is part of the magic of why Bernie Sanders was so appealing, is that people would rather have you take very firm, authentic stands that are rooted in a way that you can explain it.

00:47:48.000 I'm not saying Bernie was good at that, but there was an appeal to him that it was like he came, it was almost as if he was a 1960s revolutionary, that there's almost like this archetype of he's going to fight for me that he was embodying.

00:48:02.000 And however, with young people in particular, I think that there just needs to be a very firm commitment to I'm going to defend truth and data and science and statistics.

00:48:15.000 And if that doesn't convince them, then I hope they'll eventually come around.

00:48:20.000 But I think the best way, and the best communicator in the history of the world was Christ.

00:48:25.000 And his linguistic dialectic is asking questions.

00:48:32.000 It was inquisitive.

00:48:34.000 And that was his way of effectuating change, was being a grand inquirer, just asking people, why do you believe that?

00:48:42.000 Where do you get that authority from?

00:48:44.000 I think far too often we get into explaining and we should get into asking.

00:48:48.000 Yeah.

00:48:49.000 And another answer to Charlie's good.

00:48:52.000 Watch his, when he goes on campus, just look at the YouTube videos because he does exactly that and ask some questions.

00:48:59.000 I will say one other thing, though, which is I learned very early on that rarely will people remember what you say, but they will remember how you say it.

00:49:09.000 And substance, unfortunately, in the world we live in, I shouldn't say unfortunately, it's just the way it is.

00:49:14.000 It could be a good thing or a bad thing.

00:49:16.000 Substance matters more than less than style.

00:49:20.000 Style matters a lot.

00:49:22.000 You raise your voice.

00:49:22.000 Are you able to have this?

00:49:24.000 And I do my best to stay calmer than the person I'm always communicating with, to have that kind of conversation.

00:49:30.000 I don't always live that out.

00:49:32.000 That's a tough thing when you're in the battle of heated ideas, right?

00:49:35.000 But that's the one thing: there will be dismissiveness.

00:49:39.000 There will be, let's just say, people will not want to engage with you if you automatically just have the hot, if you just get very heated.

00:49:50.000 Understandably, though.

00:49:51.000 A gentle answer turns away wrath.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, amen.

00:49:54.000 A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver.

00:49:58.000 We had a question here in regards to who are the heroes through these last few events, in your estimation.

00:50:05.000 Who are some of the heroes that have risen to the surface?

00:50:07.000 Yeah, well, they're going after this guy horribly, Tucker Carlson.

00:50:12.000 So he's great.

00:50:19.000 Yeah, they're trying to cancel his show.

00:50:22.000 And they may be able to do it.

00:50:23.000 I hope not.

00:50:24.000 I pray not.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, it's a developing story, but he's definitely taken a firm stand on things, and they're misrepresenting his words, which is predictable.

00:50:34.000 Candace Owens, who started with us at Turning Point USA, is terrific.

00:50:40.000 And she's amazing.

00:50:44.000 The first time I spoke with Candace is at UCLA.

00:50:46.000 She was with us for two years, and now, obviously, she's going to huge heights, and she's been so incredible and so needed.

00:50:53.000 But the answer is there aren't many.

00:50:56.000 That's not an exhaustive list, so there are heroes out there that I'm not mentioning.

00:50:59.000 Rob's been a hero.

00:51:00.000 Pastor Jack has been a hero.

00:51:03.000 Jack Hibbs, Pastor Jack Hibbs.

00:51:06.000 But the long and short of it is there when I believe that in times of crisis, cowardice is a sin.

00:51:15.000 I really do.

00:51:16.000 Especially for people that are in positions of trusted thought leadership and moral leadership.

00:51:25.000 So, our lawmakers have been so disappointing, in my opinion.

00:51:29.000 I have been on the phone with far too many congressmen and senators that have given me these bloviating, long answers as to, I don't know what it's like to have constituents, I don't know what it's like to be attacked.

00:51:41.000 I'm like, that's a good one.

00:51:44.000 But look, I would much rather, once you surrender to the truth, you're almost like a ship at sea, and wherever that takes you, it's where it takes you.

00:51:55.000 And there's actually something freeing.

00:51:57.000 Yeah, it's actually the most freeing thing in the world, by the way.

00:52:01.000 Because John 8:32 says, know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

00:52:06.000 And that verse has meant more to me in the last couple weeks than ever before, because, yeah, they could take away everything from me.

00:52:12.000 They could take all my podcast advertisers, they could burn down my building and all that, but I'd still be free because I know that I was so disciplined in what I said and the truth I was talking, speaking about.

00:52:26.000 And I'm so careful with what I say because words carry so much meaning.

00:52:31.000 And in fact, my biggest fear is that I'll say one sentence that is something I don't actually believe.

00:52:37.000 And I talk 100 hours a week, so it's inevitable to happen.

00:52:41.000 So I have to be ready for it.

00:52:43.000 But that's the one thing: we have people that are slaves to not, they're metaphorical slaves to not allowing the truth to set them free.

00:52:52.000 And there's something where it's like, well, what if you were kicked out as the pastor?

00:52:55.000 What if they took away your home?

00:52:57.000 What if for them, that is an incomprehensible earthly sacrifice for them.

00:53:01.000 For them, it's like, no, if I lose re-election, I cannot tolerate that. 0.97

00:53:06.000 Like, if I lose, and you don't have to be foolish, we're not asking you to go on a suicide mission, right? 0.76

00:53:12.000 And the irony of this, and Rob will reinforce this: if you actually stand for truth, you're actually rewarded, which is like the craziest thing, right?

00:53:19.000 It actually, once you true, not you just say it, but you truly surrender, like they could take it all away, and I'm okay with that.

00:53:26.000 Typically, you're actually rewarded more so than ever before.

00:53:29.000 And that's what so many of our leaders refuse to recognize.

00:53:33.000 It's true.

00:53:35.000 We had a question.

00:53:36.000 We have two more questions.

00:53:37.000 The one over here was: how do we get our young people involved in the media, like with Benny?

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:45.000 Well, look, Turning Point USA.

00:53:47.000 So, am I allowed to share about Mikey?

00:53:48.000 Is that okay?

00:53:49.000 Whatever you want.

00:53:50.000 Okay, sure.

00:53:51.000 I didn't want to put on spot, but Turning Point USA has become like a really amazing place for high schooler and college kids, not just through the chapter model and what we're doing, but also through what we're doing in Phoenix.

00:54:05.000 And so, starting tomorrow, Mikey, Rob's youngest, is working with us in Phoenix at Turning Point USA, which we're thrilled about.

00:54:16.000 Amen.

00:54:16.000 And he's going to flourish there.

00:54:19.000 He's going to do amazing.

00:54:20.000 And so.

00:54:22.000 He's doing a gap year two, three, four.

00:54:24.000 Yeah.

00:54:26.000 And this is why I love Rob.

00:54:28.000 I love Rob, and I've never met anyone as much of this.

00:54:32.000 It's just a crazy thing.

00:54:34.000 It's like someone who says something, and then they actually do what they say.

00:54:38.000 No, it's unbelievable.

00:54:40.000 No, seriously.

00:54:41.000 It's Rob at a sushi dinner a couple months ago where Rob's like, yeah, I totally agree that college is broken and parents should have more of a gap here.

00:54:49.000 Heard it a thousand times.

00:54:50.000 Next thing I know, hey, Charlie, can Mikey take a gap year with you?

00:54:53.000 I'm like, are you actually doing what you said?

00:54:55.000 Because I've never seen this.

00:54:57.000 Usually it's a disconnect.

00:54:58.000 Like, I agree.

00:54:59.000 We need more gap years.

00:55:00.000 My kid's going to Yale next year, so it's not really going to work for him.

00:55:04.000 So, you know, and but anyway, I applaud you, Rob.

00:55:07.000 It's awesome because more parents, I think, need to have that kind of trust.

00:55:12.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:55:13.000 It's amazing.

00:55:14.000 We had a last question.

00:55:16.000 I don't know if I want to end on this.

00:55:18.000 The comment was having a nation that elected Barack Obama to two full terms, and even here in Thousand Oaks, where we were T.O. Strong supporting our police officers, racism didn't seem to be an issue up until, like it is every election cycle.

00:55:38.000 How do we explain, with 13% of the population being African-American, black Americans, and yet Barack Obama wins with an overwhelming white vote?

00:55:48.000 And I know that the left dismisses that, but this idea of systemic racism is...

00:55:54.000 Yeah, and look, that's a common example used.

00:55:57.000 It's a pretty good one.

00:55:58.000 I would say that, look, even more broadly than that, I think it's generally...

00:56:03.000 Here's a better example, I think, right? 0.57

00:56:05.000 So racism is the idea, systemic racism, is that our structures and our laws disallow anyone that is not in the predominant racial category, white individuals, from succeeding. 0.53

00:56:21.000 That is the presupposition.

00:56:23.000 Look, the richest individuals in America per capita at the highest income are Indian Americans, Indian Americans that have immigrated from India, second of which is Taiwanese Americans, third of which is Vietnamese Americans, fourth of which is Korean Americans, fifth of which is Chinese Americans. 0.51

00:56:38.000 White Americans are $70,000 a year, average income.

00:56:42.000 The Indian Americans, $128,000 per year. 0.99

00:56:45.000 By the way, I think that's an awesome thing.

00:56:47.000 Amen.

00:56:47.000 And I think what's so awesome is that it actually proves we're not systemically racist, because the Constitution was not written in Hindi.

00:56:56.000 It was not written in Korean.

00:56:58.000 It actually shows that it's a document that allows anyone from anywhere across the world to be able to succeed.

00:57:02.000 That's the greatest stress test of our system.

00:57:04.000 Now, I'm not saying that there are not communities that have been disadvantaged, but equating disadvantagement with systemic racism is a huge jump there.

00:57:16.000 So if the community is a black community and they're not doing well, perhaps it's because of a set of public policy measures that were passed.

00:57:24.000 So for example, not dismissing the effect that Jim Crow had really had on the black community.

00:57:30.000 And that resulted in the 1960s of 22% fatherlessness rate, 22%.

00:57:36.000 However, once we ended Jim Crow and we passed the Civil Rights Act, fatherlessness went from 22% to 77%.

00:57:44.000 So wait a second, the fatherlessness rate increased as we got less racist.

00:57:48.000 How did that happen?

00:57:50.000 In fact, black incomes went down as we got less racist.

00:57:54.000 How did that happen? 0.66

00:57:55.000 Well, then there might be another reason then.

00:57:57.000 I'm not dismissing that there are not individual racists in society.

00:58:00.000 Of course there is. 0.95

00:58:02.000 That would be the silliest thing.

00:58:03.000 And by the way, there's sin in the world. 0.56

00:58:05.000 By the way, no political party is the only party that has racism in them, by the way.

00:58:09.000 I mean, just ask the governor of Virginia, who still hasn't told us whether it was Blackface or the KKK hood he was wearing in that picture, right? 0.54

00:58:14.000 It's not, I mean, there's no party is more righteous than the other in that category. 0.82

00:58:21.000 I would make the argument.

00:58:22.000 The history of the Republican Party speaks for itself.

00:58:24.000 That's a different issue.

00:58:25.000 But I'll say this, is that if you look at it fairly and broadly, and you go travel the world and you ask people what do they think of America, not what the elites tell you, but it's a place where they know that they can succeed.

00:58:45.000 Very interesting.

00:58:47.000 First-generation African immigrants actually outpace their earning capita from Nigeria or Senegal or South Africa than white Americans, about $77,000 a year after about 10 years in the country.

00:59:01.000 Well, that would dismiss the idea of systemic race. 0.88

00:59:03.000 We're really talking about is how we allowed a set of public policy measures and very bad local governance over 40 years under the guise of us making good decisions where we subsidize single motherhood.

00:59:16.000 See, we think we're helping single mothers, but we're not.

00:59:19.000 Where we say we want to help single mothers.

00:59:21.000 Well, okay, but you're actually having government agents go knock on doors and make sure a father's not in the home.

00:59:27.000 That's basically what ends up happening.

00:59:29.000 Secondly, we have, in my opinion, we have deindustrialized the inner cities and we sent a lot of those jobs overseas and our manufacturing base all but evaporated and disappeared.

00:59:40.000 And so you calculate all this together, you're like, well, maybe there's other contributing factors to that.

00:59:45.000 And again, I think that there is, it does a disservice to actually improving these communities to actually say, what can actually improve?

00:59:55.000 The final thing I'll say is the education piece as well. 0.71

00:59:59.000 We have put black American kids through an unbelievably broken, immoral pattern of public sector teaching, where if you go to 13 black majority schools in Baltimore, 13, they can't find one fifth grader that can read or do math at grade level. 0.78

01:00:17.000 Not one.

01:00:18.000 No teachers will be fired.

01:00:20.000 They will all get raises.

01:00:21.000 The principals will be in touch.

01:00:23.000 There will be no demanding for any of that.

01:00:25.000 Now, if the Black Lives Matter movement really cared about Black Lives Matter, they would be peacefully organizing outside the school board saying 13 of the schools can't teach our kids to read. 0.88

01:00:38.000 They can't do math.

01:00:39.000 I think the ability to read our founding documents is actually a civil right.

01:00:43.000 I think if you can't read your rights, then you've actually been done a disservice by your government.

01:00:47.000 And so to close that point is there are structural issues that have happened.

01:00:54.000 I think a ignorance of that would be not historically correct. 0.55

01:00:58.000 However, to attribute it to a singular sin and then mass apply it to everyone because of their skin color, that's a tactic designed to turn us against each other. 0.74

01:01:08.000 Yeah. 0.85

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 22, 2020

Mastering The Playbook Of The Left

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