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00:01:08.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:15.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:45.000And I want to thank all of you for standing with Rob because they tried their best to deplatform, attack that man for doing the right thing.
00:01:59.000I was watching from afar in some form of quarantine in Arizona, and I saw the, I watched every week, and I saw the communion service that was held.
00:02:12.000I mean, you would have thought that it would have been, it's probably the cleanest room in the history of the planet, right?
00:02:18.000I mean, literally, after every time someone sat down, they were disinfecting it and reinforcing.
00:02:24.000And of course, the media, I think one of the news coverage pieces was pretty, rather fair by their standards, but still the local activists thought that this would be the total cause of the worst things in the world.
00:02:37.000But the church is supposed to be an entity, supposed to be a place that takes difficult stands, that takes necessary stands, especially so that we can celebrate Palm Sunday and Easter.
00:02:55.000And they took those, you know, those days of celebration.
00:02:58.000You know, they just said, oh, that's not essential, right?
00:03:03.000But that's why you have Pastor Rob, right?
00:03:06.000And Rob is, I could tell you, starting a movement across the country, and I'm happy to play a small part of this, to call out other pastors, pastors that are more afraid that they're going to have five people leave bad comments on their social media feed than actually contending and contesting for truth.
00:03:29.000He's my pastor, and I know he's all your pastors as well.
00:03:33.000And so we can all learn so much from him because we need people that are activists in every single realm and fight for truth.
00:03:41.000So if you are like me, you're probably very unsettled about what you're seeing in the country right now.
00:03:48.000And I hope I can offer clarity and hopefully clear up some confusion of exactly what's happening in America.
00:03:57.000Because what's happening in the streets of Los Angeles and Philadelphia and Atlanta, I've been dealing with for eight years.
00:04:05.000For eight years, I've been running Turning Point USA, a nationwide student activist organization fighting for first principles, free markets, and America on college campuses.
00:04:15.000And you probably remember when you guys were nice enough to welcome me to speak a couple months ago and earlier last year, my whole guiding thesis is whatever happens on college campuses will soon happen in the culture of America.
00:04:42.000Or whatever happens on college campuses won't infect the American culture.
00:04:46.000You've probably heard this before, right?
00:04:49.000It's so pathologically dangerous and untrue to believe that.
00:04:54.000That somehow what happens to 23 million young people on college campuses won't all of a sudden metastasize and grow everywhere.
00:05:03.000And so I'm getting more listenership and more people to our podcast than our what we're doing than ever before because people are saying, how is it that they're able to form a sovereign country in downtown Seattle?
00:05:19.000So welcome to the 156th country in the world, Chaz.
00:06:04.000So I want to give you an insight into the rules that the left plays by.
00:06:13.000Because it's actually public and publicized.
00:06:16.000And if we're serious about contending for truth, we'll talk about truth too, we have to know exactly how the enemy operates and the playbook that they use.
00:06:27.000But first, let's talk about the necessity of truth.
00:06:31.000Because one of the things that makes the Christian tradition different than any other religion is that on the hierarchy of ultimate values, the commitment that what we consider to be Lord and Savior, the thing that brings us all together, is that Christ was the embodiment of truth.
00:06:50.000It wasn't that he said true things, like Moses.
00:06:55.000It wasn't that he said a couple things that resonated, like some of the prophets.
00:07:01.000That's why literally in John we call him Logos.
00:07:05.000That he is the embodiment of everything that is true.
00:07:08.000So therefore, at the top of what we consider as Christians to be the most important thing to contend for, it's that in your actions, in your words, truth must be paramount.
00:07:21.000And you must also operate on the inverse of that, that you must not tolerate things that are not true.
00:07:27.000That we shouldn't tolerate that things that are so pathologically false to spread without you taking a stand against those things.
00:07:35.000And as Rob said, whatsoever is true, but the inverse should also be fought for, that whatsoever is untrue must be challenged.
00:07:44.000And so in the last couple weeks, I have been, let's just say, more vocal than usual.
00:07:53.000I have been told for the most, let's just say, frustrating reasons, I'm not allowed to speak in the last couple of weeks because of an immutable characteristic that God gave me, being a white Christian male.
00:08:06.000I have been instructed by the guardians of the zeitgeist that I'm not allowed to speak.
00:08:14.000So I've talked louder than ever before.
00:08:54.000And so, first of all, what is being argued right now nationally is that because of the way God made you, however God made you in his image, Imago Dei, you're only allowed to say certain things or not say certain things.
00:09:10.000This is against the Christian ethic fundamentally.
00:09:14.000The Christian ethic is that, regardless of your skin color, your background, whatever, made in the image of God, that you need redemption as much as the next person needs redemption.
00:09:26.000It's not as if that person needs redemption more or you need redemption more.
00:09:32.000Now, this is so different than the way most civilizations operated for the last couple thousand years.
00:09:38.000The way it worked in the 11th century or in the 8th century was that they would condemn people and they would threaten people, not just you, but your generations beyond you.
00:09:53.000It's like, we're not just going to cut your head off, but your children's and your children's children will be banished to the peasant class for the next 500 years.
00:10:02.000See, what made Christianity different, and it was embodied through Christ, was that you need salvation even if your father is saved.
00:10:15.000Your father, your mother can't save you.
00:10:18.000They could pray for you, they could pour into you, they could nurture you, but you're actually a singular unit absent of the unit that preceded you.
00:10:26.000And so, this idea of blood guilt or this idea of group indictment of what came before you is so anti-Christian.
00:10:35.000We're all in need of redemption no matter what came before you.
00:10:38.000And even if your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was Abraham Lincoln, you also need redemption.
00:10:46.000That doesn't make you any, that doesn't give you a hall pass being like, no, I'm actually awesome because I come from a righteous bloodline.
00:11:52.000One police officer and three cowards that did nothing is not an embodiment or an indictment of a country 337 million people.
00:12:02.000In fact, I think we're systemically unracist as a country.
00:12:05.000In fact, I think you have to go search and hunt and look for our racism in our country.
00:12:12.000In fact, I think most of our dealings, considering how multiracial, multilingual, and multicultural our country is, we're actually a generally decent country to each other.
00:12:22.000In fact, I think that despite what the architects of chaos are trying to tell you, that it's a miracle we've been able to actually get along so well as we have in our country for the last 50 or 60 or 100 years, bringing in a million people into our country every single year.
00:12:43.000110 different languages spoken across the country.
00:13:11.000And to say all of a sudden that we are bitter and awful, and all these different things that I'm seeing the activists purport, first and foremost, it bothers me at a fundamental level because it's untrue.
00:13:26.000And that's what bothers me probably even more.
00:13:29.000Is that there were intentional is that, and I want to speak because we're in a neighborhood here generally that actually is the stereotypical neighborhood that's frustrating me the most.
00:13:45.000And it's not the velocity of the activism you're seeing right now that makes you feel like things are changing so quickly are not actually, it's being pushed by upper-middle-class suburban social media activists.
00:14:00.000It's being pushed by corporate America.
00:14:02.000It's being pushed by places like Thousand Oaks or Westlake Village or Bel Air or Orange County, Santa Ana, Dana Point.
00:16:46.000When you take one group, like the Bolsheviks, and you turn them against the Mensheviks, it's not going to end well.
00:16:53.000And when you have certain demagogues that play into those grievances and hyper-focus on the grievances and then try to use those grievances as a reason to give themselves more power, that is not a good recipe at all.
00:17:08.000And I'm not saying that you shouldn't acknowledge that grievances exist.
00:18:41.000That's a tepper conversation on all that.
00:18:44.000But even the presupposition of gathering people and organizing them based on the color of their skin is inherently a prejudiced idea of organizing human beings.
00:18:56.000Talk about my character, my language, my worldview.
00:19:02.000Talking about the melanin content in my skin would be a 1,000-year devolution back into tribalism that so many people sacrificed so that we could have a society where that is supposed to not be the primary, if not at all, reason how we organize human beings.
00:19:20.000So we're dealing in this idea right now, and the idea of white privilege is completely opposite of the Christian ethic.
00:19:44.000But the left doesn't, most of them don't even believe in God.
00:19:48.000Now, before I get into the rules, because it's very important of how the left operates, I do want to say that one of the other reasons I love Rob so much is that he also contends against other pastors.
00:20:01.000And to see how many pastors and churches have voluntarily now participated in this sensationalist moment in American history has been so disappointing.
00:20:17.000In fact, I've been part of this tangentially where pastors have been liking my social media posts.
00:20:26.000Then they come out and they say, oh, I don't really like that guy.
00:20:40.000I'm talking about 60,000 member churches, right?
00:20:43.000No stand for truth, more worried that they might get run out as a pastor.
00:20:47.000And I was like, so what if you lose your pastorship over that?
00:20:49.000I mean, wouldn't it be more important to stand for truth?
00:20:51.000And that's one of the things is that once you surrender yourself to a commitment to tell the truth in every instance, to contest for truth, because knowing the truth is helpful.
00:21:03.000Maybe for you, but if you just tell the truth, if you just know the truth and you're just in your room all day long, that's awfully selfish, actually, when you think about it.
00:21:13.000See, so the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5, it gets mislabeled by certain Christians as like this quasi-hippie dialogue.
00:21:22.000Seriously, like you're a flower, you're a bird, like it's all this, right?
00:21:27.000When in reality, it was Christ expounding on the, as Rob calls it, the moral app that God gave Moses, like the laws are what you shouldn't do.
00:21:44.000And we don't really materially know what that is, but it is, it's, I'm going to stand declaratively and say this, this whatsoever is true, I'm going to contend for.
00:22:03.000So I know a lot of people that know truth, but contesting for it, everyone has their own calling and their own way to do it.
00:22:11.000Now, the problem is that some of these churches don't even know the truth.
00:22:16.000That's a whole different conversation, which is a deeper, deeper, deeper thing.
00:22:20.000So I've been contesting with the left for years, as you know.
00:22:26.000And there's a book that many of you have heard, and I want to dive into it, which is probably the most important piece of literature around the idea of organizing and effectuating leftist social change.
00:22:41.000Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis about this book.
00:22:44.000Barack Obama learned under this person.
00:22:46.000I know a lot of you people know about this, but it's helpful if you know the 13 rules to hear it again.
00:22:54.000And it's helpful if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
00:22:57.000So the book is called Rules for Radicals.
00:24:30.000So that should first give you hope that there's actually not as much support behind what they're saying as what there is.
00:24:38.000Now, mind you, he wrote this literally in there of how to effectuate Marxist change in America.
00:24:43.000Rule number two, never go outside the expertise of your people, ever.
00:24:48.000Now they violate that rule, especially recently.
00:24:50.000They're sending people on television talking about abolishing the police and that if you even ask about it, it's violating their privilege.
00:26:59.000Number 12, the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
00:27:05.000Number 13, this is the one that's probably the most applicable to today.
00:27:09.000Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
00:27:17.000These are the 13 rules that the radical redefinitionists are using every single day.
00:27:24.000So our rules are a little different because we serve a higher purpose than this.
00:27:29.000But understand, the only thing that can confront these correctly is contesting for truth.
00:27:39.000See, all of these work really well If you have decentralized, disorganized individuals that are not together fighting under the same type of message or unity.
00:27:57.000And so you have, they think they have a moment right now to effectuate massive, massive social change.
00:28:10.000The lack of backup that I have seen in the Christian and conservative circles in the last three weeks has given me more angst about the future of America than any other time in the history of the country.
00:28:27.000Now, I'm comforted by scripture where Rob said, no, no, you don't understand.
00:29:45.000Now, the church is supposed to be the last stand of liberty and freedom.
00:29:55.000This is exactly why they have funded billions of dollars into the American church to the nicest word I can say is deceive the Christian community to believe things that are not true.
00:31:01.000That's not the way the Christian ethic works.
00:31:03.000It's, you go down to Skid Row and go sacrifice a weekend.
00:31:10.000It's not, you can't delegate your willingness to change the world.
00:31:17.000How many of these activists that have been marching in the streets do you think actually have an organized life?
00:31:24.000How many of these activists that have been burning down buildings, these rioters, do you think are willing to say on a daily basis, things are not going the way I want them to go and I take responsibility for that?
00:31:38.000Do you think that is a sentence that is said by them a lot?
00:31:42.000How many of them do you think say, I surrender totally and completely to a sovereign, merciful God that sent his son?
00:31:54.000How many of those people do you think say that?
00:32:18.000But with the church being winnowed down and pastors running to the hills because a couple people said mean things to them, which, again, is so perplexing to me because some of these pastors, and some of them are massive pastors here in Southern California that I've seen, huge pastors that were churches I thought were great.
00:32:35.000And, you know, they come up and they say, you know, if you don't accept Jesus, you can go to hell.
00:32:41.000It's this awful, you know, totally, really good Bible teaching.
00:32:44.000And then they're telling me they don't want to offend their congregation.
00:32:48.000I'm like, you just told them if they don't accept Christ, it's eternal damnation.
00:32:51.000Like, how does it get more offensive than that?
00:32:59.000Like, definitionally, using any form of logical decision-making matrix, forever burning, is probably worse than talking about whatever you're afraid of.
00:33:12.000Like, I just, it's, and really what it comes down to, in my personal opinion, is that there's some in the Christian community that are just totally afraid to contest for it because of a lack of fluency or a lack of literacy in that particular topic.
00:33:30.000And or there is this incorrect assumption that the church can operate in its own quarantined bubble.
00:34:02.000The reason why this church is packed more so than ever before, why people are seeking out our platforms, is Christians are looking for this more than ever before.
00:34:13.000Because they're not getting organized thinking from their pastors.
00:34:16.000They get the salvation totally, and they start reading their Bible, and they start to see that there's a solution to chaos all throughout the Bible.
00:34:26.000Because that's really the story of the Bible, is we're going to create something, it's going to get destroyed, go to chaos, go back to God, he'll recreate it.
00:34:33.000It's basically this repeating pattern, right?
00:34:36.000And it's an overgeneralization, but that's basically the story that repeats itself all throughout the Old Testament, right?
00:34:42.000Like, I'm going to give you a king, he's going to screw up eventually, Israel gets shattered, go to the wilderness, atone, reorganize yourself, I'll give you Israel back, and then you're going to screw it up again.
00:34:52.000And like, that's the story, by the way, archetypically, that's your story too.
00:34:57.000Seriously, that's your story every single day.
00:35:00.000Like, I'm going to get myself organized, showered, we're ready to go, go to work, and life hits you, and all this, go to the wilderness, I don't know what I need, I got to go back to God, we're going to do it all over again, right?
00:35:16.000And what the New Testament does is it answers the riddle of the Old Testament, which is like, how long do we have to do this thing?
00:35:25.000And that the New Testament answers from a psychological perspective is you don't.
00:35:35.000It's the ultimate, it is the ultimate gift because you no longer, you have to understand that this earthly building and rebuilding and chaos and wilderness, it's never going to get you fulfillment.
00:35:48.000It's never going to get you the ultimate answer.
00:35:51.000And so knowing this to be true, and I know that we have more services, so I don't want to speak for too long.
00:36:00.000But knowing this to be true, we as Christians have to contest more than ever before.
00:36:09.000And so to kind of go back to what I was saying about some of the megachurches and people that were posting there and what they were doing, I find that it's somewhat predictable.
00:36:38.000And so it only takes a small group of dedicated individuals, but it was Bible-believing, scripture-understanding people that rose up against King George in that phenomenal great leap forward that created Western society as we know it.
00:36:54.000And so I'm not totally making an equivalency that we're at that moment right now in American history.
00:37:14.000So in almost closing, I guess you should say.
00:37:20.000And I call a lot of this woke Christianity, by the way, which is kind of a playoff of mere Christianity, right?
00:37:26.000So if you don't know what the term woke means, how do I best describe this?
00:37:32.000It is a leftist term to try to say someone who really understands the issues of the struggle of the left.
00:37:41.000And I'm probably being very generous in my description of that, right?
00:37:44.000But it's someone that radically and fundamentally thinks that what needs to happen in the country is fundamental definition, redefinition and destruction.
00:37:56.000So here's what I'm doing, and then we'll take it wherever we want, right?
00:38:01.000So you guys know I fight on college campuses every single day.
00:38:14.000Rob's my guest today on the podcast, so you guys can check it out.
00:38:18.000It's his fourth appearance on the podcast.
00:38:20.000He's just, he's a, he's a bounty, he's a continual blessing to the country, and I think more people need to be made aware of Rob, and they are.
00:38:53.000How would anyone think of trying to create a sovereign nation in Seattle?
00:38:59.000Well, it's no different than when I dealt with University of Vermont or Tufts University radicals that stormed the president's office and they created their own sovereign student community.
00:39:10.000Understand the root cause of all of this is our either abdication or how complicit we have been with higher education's role to destroy our country.
00:39:24.000And I know those are fighting words, but I wouldn't say them unless I know they are true.
00:39:32.000We've been sending our kids there for a couple decades, and we wonder why they become radical leftists and they no longer believe in God.
00:39:38.000And if they're not part of that, praise God, right?
00:39:42.000However, I've seen it happen so many times.
00:39:44.000We send our money to our alma mater, thinking that somehow it's going to continue to educate the next generation.
00:39:50.000Well, it helps them build bigger buildings so that they can teach hatred of our country in bigger rooms or something.
00:39:56.000And so that's what I'm contesting for.
00:39:59.000That's what I'm fighting for every single day.
00:40:21.000That's why those of you guys that support me, I do what I do so I could take the arrows and the lashings and all that stuff, metaphorically, of course, sometimes literally, but that's Bryce's job, not my job.
00:40:57.000There's the fighters and the people that help the fighters.
00:41:00.000So never diminish that in the Revolutionary War, the people that were donating supplies, running the supply chain, were just as instrumental to the actual revolutionaries on the front, on the front line.
00:41:27.000And so, if you spend more on cultural political engagement than you do on coffee, if every Christian conservative did that, the world would be a better place.
00:41:42.000So we have a little bit of time, and Charlie and I enjoy doing this together, so we're going to do a question and answer.
00:42:16.000And then one last thing is: you know, you were talking about the Revolutionary War, and you had John Hancock who signed his signature so big King George could read it, or so the wives tale says.
00:42:29.000And then you had Thomas Paine, who wrote The American Crisis, and then George Washington.
00:42:33.000Hamilton or Hancock never wore the uniform of the Continental Army.
00:42:39.000Thomas Paine was an agnostic at best, an atheist at worst.
00:42:46.000But all three were necessary for that revolution.
00:42:49.000And the thing I so appreciate about Charlie and Turning Point USA is they are a secular 501c3, but they do more for leading folks to the Lord than the majority of churches in America because, yeah.
00:43:08.000Young people are hungry for the truth and also for a future that has hope.
00:43:12.000I mean, this is now, if you've been alive for 21 years on this earth, you've now survived your seventh global warming flooding.
00:43:23.000You know, the world's coming to an end.
00:43:25.000But what Charlie and Turning Point USA and all those students do is Galatians 3 says that the law is a school teacher, a guardian, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
00:43:35.000And when they lay that out on college campuses, students come and then they want to know the source of that liberty.
00:43:40.000And every single time, that's the profound gift that God has given Charlie.
00:44:04.000And I've been in healthcare my whole life, and I'm concerned that the community, the situation that happened I felt was absolutely tragic, and the police officer was wrong, but they made George Floyd, who had a very long criminal past, a hero.
00:44:22.000And the community is the United States.
00:45:47.000And I think more, and I'm actually probably writing my next book on this because I think so many people, I think that provocative question needs to be asked.
00:45:57.000But for example, I do three to four hours a night, and Erica will tell you this, my girlfriend, who's terrific, three to four hours a night of studying, watching lectures, diving into great books.
00:46:11.000If you think college will give you a thirst for knowledge, maybe, but we live in a world where all that information is free and online in real time.
00:46:20.000It's more about the motivation of the individual.
00:46:23.000And so if it's about getting the credential, totally get that.
00:46:26.000If that credential matters to you, then admit it and say, I'm going for a piece of paper.
00:46:31.000But if you think you're going to be enlightened, that's not the place to go get enlightened.
00:47:21.000I have a contrarian opinion here, and it's worked for me, which is I don't pander, and I lose people because of that, but I think the evidence shows it's actually a very effective strategy based on what we've built and what I've done.
00:47:36.000And I think this is part of the magic of why Bernie Sanders was so appealing, is that people would rather have you take very firm, authentic stands that are rooted in a way that you can explain it.
00:47:48.000I'm not saying Bernie was good at that, but there was an appeal to him that it was like he came, it was almost as if he was a 1960s revolutionary, that there's almost like this archetype of he's going to fight for me that he was embodying.
00:48:02.000And however, with young people in particular, I think that there just needs to be a very firm commitment to I'm going to defend truth and data and science and statistics.
00:48:15.000And if that doesn't convince them, then I hope they'll eventually come around.
00:48:20.000But I think the best way, and the best communicator in the history of the world was Christ.
00:48:25.000And his linguistic dialectic is asking questions.
00:48:52.000Watch his, when he goes on campus, just look at the YouTube videos because he does exactly that and ask some questions.
00:48:59.000I will say one other thing, though, which is I learned very early on that rarely will people remember what you say, but they will remember how you say it.
00:49:09.000And substance, unfortunately, in the world we live in, I shouldn't say unfortunately, it's just the way it is.
00:49:14.000It could be a good thing or a bad thing.
00:49:16.000Substance matters more than less than style.
00:49:32.000That's a tough thing when you're in the battle of heated ideas, right?
00:49:35.000But that's the one thing: there will be dismissiveness.
00:49:39.000There will be, let's just say, people will not want to engage with you if you automatically just have the hot, if you just get very heated.
00:50:24.000Yeah, it's a developing story, but he's definitely taken a firm stand on things, and they're misrepresenting his words, which is predictable.
00:50:34.000Candace Owens, who started with us at Turning Point USA, is terrific.
00:51:16.000Especially for people that are in positions of trusted thought leadership and moral leadership.
00:51:25.000So, our lawmakers have been so disappointing, in my opinion.
00:51:29.000I have been on the phone with far too many congressmen and senators that have given me these bloviating, long answers as to, I don't know what it's like to have constituents, I don't know what it's like to be attacked.
00:51:44.000But look, I would much rather, once you surrender to the truth, you're almost like a ship at sea, and wherever that takes you, it's where it takes you.
00:51:57.000Yeah, it's actually the most freeing thing in the world, by the way.
00:52:01.000Because John 8:32 says, know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
00:52:06.000And that verse has meant more to me in the last couple weeks than ever before, because, yeah, they could take away everything from me.
00:52:12.000They could take all my podcast advertisers, they could burn down my building and all that, but I'd still be free because I know that I was so disciplined in what I said and the truth I was talking, speaking about.
00:52:26.000And I'm so careful with what I say because words carry so much meaning.
00:52:31.000And in fact, my biggest fear is that I'll say one sentence that is something I don't actually believe.
00:52:37.000And I talk 100 hours a week, so it's inevitable to happen.
00:52:57.000What if for them, that is an incomprehensible earthly sacrifice for them.
00:53:01.000For them, it's like, no, if I lose re-election, I cannot tolerate that.
00:53:06.000Like, if I lose, and you don't have to be foolish, we're not asking you to go on a suicide mission, right?
00:53:12.000And the irony of this, and Rob will reinforce this: if you actually stand for truth, you're actually rewarded, which is like the craziest thing, right?
00:53:19.000It actually, once you true, not you just say it, but you truly surrender, like they could take it all away, and I'm okay with that.
00:53:26.000Typically, you're actually rewarded more so than ever before.
00:53:29.000And that's what so many of our leaders refuse to recognize.
00:53:51.000I didn't want to put on spot, but Turning Point USA has become like a really amazing place for high schooler and college kids, not just through the chapter model and what we're doing, but also through what we're doing in Phoenix.
00:54:05.000And so, starting tomorrow, Mikey, Rob's youngest, is working with us in Phoenix at Turning Point USA, which we're thrilled about.
00:54:41.000It's Rob at a sushi dinner a couple months ago where Rob's like, yeah, I totally agree that college is broken and parents should have more of a gap here.
00:55:16.000I don't know if I want to end on this.
00:55:18.000The comment was having a nation that elected Barack Obama to two full terms, and even here in Thousand Oaks, where we were T.O. Strong supporting our police officers, racism didn't seem to be an issue up until, like it is every election cycle.
00:55:38.000How do we explain, with 13% of the population being African-American, black Americans, and yet Barack Obama wins with an overwhelming white vote?
00:55:48.000And I know that the left dismisses that, but this idea of systemic racism is...
00:55:54.000Yeah, and look, that's a common example used.
00:55:58.000I would say that, look, even more broadly than that, I think it's generally...
00:56:03.000Here's a better example, I think, right?
00:56:05.000So racism is the idea, systemic racism, is that our structures and our laws disallow anyone that is not in the predominant racial category, white individuals, from succeeding.
00:56:23.000Look, the richest individuals in America per capita at the highest income are Indian Americans, Indian Americans that have immigrated from India, second of which is Taiwanese Americans, third of which is Vietnamese Americans, fourth of which is Korean Americans, fifth of which is Chinese Americans.
00:56:38.000White Americans are $70,000 a year, average income.
00:56:42.000The Indian Americans, $128,000 per year.
00:56:45.000By the way, I think that's an awesome thing.
00:56:58.000It actually shows that it's a document that allows anyone from anywhere across the world to be able to succeed.
00:57:02.000That's the greatest stress test of our system.
00:57:04.000Now, I'm not saying that there are not communities that have been disadvantaged, but equating disadvantagement with systemic racism is a huge jump there.
00:57:16.000So if the community is a black community and they're not doing well, perhaps it's because of a set of public policy measures that were passed.
00:57:24.000So for example, not dismissing the effect that Jim Crow had really had on the black community.
00:57:30.000And that resulted in the 1960s of 22% fatherlessness rate, 22%.
00:57:36.000However, once we ended Jim Crow and we passed the Civil Rights Act, fatherlessness went from 22% to 77%.
00:57:44.000So wait a second, the fatherlessness rate increased as we got less racist.
00:58:03.000And by the way, there's sin in the world.
00:58:05.000By the way, no political party is the only party that has racism in them, by the way.
00:58:09.000I mean, just ask the governor of Virginia, who still hasn't told us whether it was Blackface or the KKK hood he was wearing in that picture, right?
00:58:14.000It's not, I mean, there's no party is more righteous than the other in that category.
00:58:25.000But I'll say this, is that if you look at it fairly and broadly, and you go travel the world and you ask people what do they think of America, not what the elites tell you, but it's a place where they know that they can succeed.
00:58:47.000First-generation African immigrants actually outpace their earning capita from Nigeria or Senegal or South Africa than white Americans, about $77,000 a year after about 10 years in the country.
00:59:01.000Well, that would dismiss the idea of systemic race.
00:59:03.000We're really talking about is how we allowed a set of public policy measures and very bad local governance over 40 years under the guise of us making good decisions where we subsidize single motherhood.
00:59:16.000See, we think we're helping single mothers, but we're not.
00:59:19.000Where we say we want to help single mothers.
00:59:21.000Well, okay, but you're actually having government agents go knock on doors and make sure a father's not in the home.
00:59:27.000That's basically what ends up happening.
00:59:29.000Secondly, we have, in my opinion, we have deindustrialized the inner cities and we sent a lot of those jobs overseas and our manufacturing base all but evaporated and disappeared.
00:59:40.000And so you calculate all this together, you're like, well, maybe there's other contributing factors to that.
00:59:45.000And again, I think that there is, it does a disservice to actually improving these communities to actually say, what can actually improve?
00:59:55.000The final thing I'll say is the education piece as well.
00:59:59.000We have put black American kids through an unbelievably broken, immoral pattern of public sector teaching, where if you go to 13 black majority schools in Baltimore, 13, they can't find one fifth grader that can read or do math at grade level.
01:00:23.000There will be no demanding for any of that.
01:00:25.000Now, if the Black Lives Matter movement really cared about Black Lives Matter, they would be peacefully organizing outside the school board saying 13 of the schools can't teach our kids to read.
01:00:39.000I think the ability to read our founding documents is actually a civil right.
01:00:43.000I think if you can't read your rights, then you've actually been done a disservice by your government.
01:00:47.000And so to close that point is there are structural issues that have happened.
01:00:54.000I think a ignorance of that would be not historically correct.
01:00:58.000However, to attribute it to a singular sin and then mass apply it to everyone because of their skin color, that's a tactic designed to turn us against each other.
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