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00:00:01.000 Matt Walsh joins us about his new show, Judged Mike Collins, about the Lake and Riley bill.

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00:01:29.000 Joining us now is Congressman Mike Collins from Georgia's 10th congressional district.

00:01:35.000 Congressman, welcome to the program.

00:01:37.000 You have an announcement that you want to talk about in talking about Lake and Riley.

00:01:41.000 Walk us through it.

00:01:42.000 Well, you know, and I appreciate you having me on, Charlie, because this is a very good, solid piece of legislation.

00:01:49.000 This is policy.

00:01:50.000 And, you know, while this Lake and Riley Act is not going to solve immigration, what it's going to be able to do, though, is going to give a tool to local law enforcement to where they can contact ICE and get these people down here and get them detained and deport these illegal criminals that have been invading our countries and just wreaking havoc all across the country. 0.56

00:02:11.000 And in this case, this particular case, this Ibara, was picked up a few days earlier in Athens, Georgia for shoplifting and cited.

00:02:21.000 But if we'd have had the Lake and Riley Act into effect as law, they would have been able to call ICE immediately and get him detained and deported.

00:02:30.000 And, you know, Charlie, I heard on your segment before that you were talking about abiding by laws and which laws they were picking and choosing.

00:02:38.000 And I think this is such a perfect example of people picking and choosing laws that they want to abide by because that mayor and that sheriff up there were treating Athens, Georgia as a sanctuary city.

00:02:50.000 And sanctuary cities are illegal in Georgia.

00:02:53.000 And until we realize that we are a nation of laws and this country cannot stand unless we abide by those laws and we prosecute these people who are not abiding by them, well, you're right.

00:03:04.000 We're losing this country.

00:03:06.000 So if Athens was operating illegally as a sanctuary city, can't the Attorney General Chris Carr go and indict them or impanel a grand jury to try to arrest the mayor or the people that were doing this illegally?

00:03:19.000 You know, Charlie, I hope that the state of Georgia is turning over every rock and using every tool that they have in order to get rid of that mayor because, you know, I've been calling on him to resign since day one.

00:03:31.000 If he had an ounce of honor, he would have already resigned.

00:03:35.000 But these people think they're above the law.

00:03:37.000 They think that they are emboldened by what they have been seeing from this Biden administration, as a matter of fact, and just allowing people to stream across the border.

00:03:47.000 Even this guy picked up paroled in my orchestra and then just let him go out there, you know, free to take his criminal enterprise all across the country.

00:03:56.000 He started out in New York City.

00:03:58.000 But until we start, and we've got a panel that's in place in Georgia to take a look at these DAs that are not prosecuting these people.

00:04:08.000 But this is all across the country.

00:04:10.000 Just like you said in Arizona, if we're not going to take up and abide by the laws of this country, we're going to lose it.

00:04:18.000 And so, so, Mike, that's right.

00:04:20.000 And I'm afraid we are losing it currently.

00:04:22.000 I wanted to zero in on this Lake and Riley story.

00:04:25.000 What about this particular story?

00:04:28.000 Do you think why it went so viral and resonated so deeply?

00:04:31.000 And I say this because I don't want to forget the other victims of illegals that have been killed, whether in DUIs or murders.

00:04:39.000 It's happening daily.

00:04:40.000 But this story, I think it was because this was a young lady with such promise, with such hope that was following the yeah, please.

00:04:49.000 I'd love your thoughts.

00:04:50.000 Well, you're right there.

00:04:52.000 And I think it's two reasons.

00:04:54.000 Number one is people like you and media across this country that are helping us keep this on the front page and keep it front and center.

00:05:02.000 But Charlie, we all can relate to this family's grieving because I've got a 26-year-old daughter.

00:05:09.000 You either have kids that are growing up, you've got nieces and nephews, you know people that grew up and they go off to college and you worry about them.

00:05:18.000 You worry about them from the day they're born, but you think you're sending them off to a safe location somewhere that they can chase their dream.

00:05:25.000 And you're right.

00:05:26.000 This lady, this young lady wanted to be a nurse to serve the community out there and help.

00:05:33.000 And her life was just brutally taken from her.

00:05:37.000 And there's no reason for it.

00:05:39.000 This guy shouldn't have never have been in the country, period, but he was.

00:05:45.000 And it is due to the failures of this administration and people across the country can relate to it.

00:05:52.000 And that's why I'm encouraging everybody.

00:05:54.000 We've been over in the Senate.

00:05:55.000 We've got 46 of 49 Republicans already signed onto this thing.

00:06:00.000 This bill went through the House in less than a week and picked up 37 Democrats.

00:06:04.000 So it came out of the House bipartisan.

00:06:07.000 We're over there now.

00:06:07.000 We're talking to Democrats.

00:06:09.000 I need folks to be calling their U.S. senators, Republican or Democrat, doesn't matter.

00:06:14.000 Call them and tell them to sign on.

00:06:17.000 Raphael Warnock and John Ossif, where are they on this, Congressman?

00:06:21.000 Well, you know, we've talked to both of them.

00:06:22.000 Warnock had some questions about how much this was going to put on ICE.

00:06:27.000 And Charlie, you know, like I do, if we can stop these people at these lesser crimes, and all we did with this bill was add burglary and theft to the list of criminal activity that the local law enforcement could call ICE and get them in there and detain them.

00:06:42.000 If we can stop them at these lesser crimes, it's not going to escalate to things like murder.

00:06:47.000 This guy would have been gone.

00:06:49.000 So the workload on ICE is already there.

00:06:51.000 They want to do their job.

00:06:53.000 And you start arresting these people for lesser crimes and then shipping them out of here.

00:06:57.000 That in itself is a deterrence.

00:06:59.000 And of course, Osoff, he's still looking at it.

00:07:03.000 I think he wanted to start over with his own bill.

00:07:06.000 And I understand those reasons.

00:07:07.000 But this is a good, solid piece of legislation.

00:07:12.000 This is not politics.

00:07:13.000 And John Austin, I mean, I'm going to say something political.

00:07:13.000 Well, no, I agree.

00:07:15.000 He's in cycle in 2026.

00:07:19.000 I think you hit the nail on the head.

00:07:20.000 Yeah, I think John Ossif knows that he's in a red state.

00:07:24.000 And I want to talk to you about that, that is getting its act together.

00:07:27.000 And there's these two Democrat senators that snuck in.

00:07:29.000 We're going to fix that error.

00:07:30.000 I want to ask you politically on the ground, the Lake and Riley story.

00:07:35.000 I think it was damaging to Joe Biden in Georgia.

00:07:39.000 I think that he lost hundreds of thousands of potential voters over this story.

00:07:44.000 Do you agree?

00:07:45.000 Oh, I agree 100%.

00:07:48.000 You know, this just hits home.

00:07:50.000 It's the University of Georgia.

00:07:52.000 You know, that in itself is an institution that most of Georgia relates to.

00:07:58.000 Either they went to the school, they know people that went to that school, and they relate, they know the trail that she was on.

00:08:05.000 I can't tell you how many people have come up to me and said, I used to jog on that trail, and not anymore.

00:08:12.000 So it's really resonated in our state.

00:08:15.000 Let's talk then about Georgia coming into November.

00:08:18.000 Joe Biden got the electoral votes from Georgia back in 2020.

00:08:23.000 He received them.

00:08:24.000 I like Donald Trump's chances in Georgia.

00:08:28.000 Where do you think his chances are politically on the ground?

00:08:32.000 It seems as if voter registration is going well.

00:08:34.000 Give us an update on how we're looking, Trump v. Biden v. RFK, this November in Georgia.

00:08:41.000 Well, I'll tell you, Charlie, I started out with President Trump back in Iowa, froze my tail off out there.

00:08:47.000 And then I went with him to New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Georgia.

00:08:52.000 And I'm not just talking to talk, but I saw the ground swell.

00:08:57.000 And from the time that we left South Carolina to the time we went to Rome, Georgia, I got to that facility at around 1.30 for a 5.30 event.

00:09:07.000 You couldn't pack another person in that place.

00:09:10.000 So the energy is through the roof.

00:09:12.000 As a matter of fact, I was behind Trump solidly, maxed out to the guy every time, but I was behind him way back before he was ever the nominee for 2016.

00:09:21.000 So I've been with him the whole time.

00:09:23.000 And to see the energy on the ground in the state of Georgia and how it has built, he's going to win the state of Georgia.

00:09:30.000 We've done some things.

00:09:32.000 We still need to do some things in Georgia.

00:09:34.000 I would love to get rid of those machines.

00:09:36.000 Man, it'd make my day if we just called Florida and asked them where they ordered their ballots from and get us some.

00:09:42.000 But until then, we need the RNC. 0.99

00:09:45.000 And I'm so glad that Laura Trump is co-chairing that because they're going to hire enough people to get out there.

00:09:51.000 We've got other organizations.

00:09:53.000 You know them like I do.

00:09:54.000 And we're going to be stomping.

00:09:56.000 We're going to be hitting the ground.

00:09:57.000 We're going to be registering people.

00:09:58.000 We're going to make sure that people understand that we have election season and not election day and get out there and vote early.

00:10:05.000 Well, and to reiterate that, Georgia, I think there was a little bit of a taking it for granted in 2020.

00:10:12.000 It wasn't worked as deep as it should have been.

00:10:15.000 I think you would agree.

00:10:16.000 There was kind of, oh, Trump's going to win.

00:10:17.000 Purdue will go to a runoff. 0.95

00:10:18.000 Left will go to a runoff.

00:10:20.000 And all of a sudden, we kind of were sabotaged, right?

00:10:25.000 We did.

00:10:26.000 And we're not going to let that happen again.

00:10:28.000 So 30 seconds, tell our audience about how they can contact and support.

00:10:32.000 So the call to action is get your senators to support the Lake and Riley bill.

00:10:37.000 Is that correct?

00:10:38.000 That's correct.

00:10:39.000 Whether the Republican or Democrat, the senators are a much closer group, smaller group.

00:10:45.000 Contact your U.S. Senator.

00:10:47.000 Tell them we understand this is not going to fix immigration 100%.

00:10:51.000 We'll do that come November, unless Biden puts in those executive orders.

00:10:55.000 But call them and tell them this is good, solid policy.

00:10:59.000 Good legislation, and we need the help.

00:10:59.000 Love it.

00:11:01.000 Mike Collins, thanks so much.

00:11:03.000 Appreciate it.

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00:11:53.000 The reason I was so clear about the abortion topic is this is really all they have. 0.68

00:11:58.000 It really is the only topic that they have to run on and get people upset.

00:12:03.000 Now, I will say that there's a fair amount of pro-lifers out there that we have to chase ballots and we can maximize our support with.

00:12:10.000 There was a shocking panel this morning on MSNBC, shocking, where they went around the horn.

00:12:16.000 I think that's John Halperin, if I'm not mistaken, one of their political reporters at MSNBC, and starts asking swing voters in Pennsylvania and other states, would Donald Trump's policies or Joe Biden's policies be better for you?

00:12:30.000 We divided this into a couple pieces.

00:12:32.000 Let's play cut 85 first.

00:12:34.000 Six, raise your hand if you think President Trump's policies on the economy would be better for your family, personally.

00:12:40.000 Raise your hand.

00:12:40.000 All right.

00:12:41.000 So that is everybody.

00:12:43.000 Almost every single hand goes up.

00:12:47.000 Let's go to cut 86.

00:12:48.000 What are you keying off of to say President Trump's economic policies would be better for you?

00:12:52.000 I mean, my past performance of my 401k.

00:12:55.000 I know it was post-2020 and everything kind of flipped around, but you can't blame everything on 2020 for forever.

00:13:02.000 We have areas here in Pennsylvania where it's just at a standstill right now.

00:13:07.000 Like things are supposed to be being built and the interest rates are just way too high for people to invest and start moving.

00:13:15.000 Even if you're trying to buy a house because I'm trying to become a first-time homebuyer, the prices are so high right now.

00:13:22.000 It's just hard.

00:13:23.000 And then finally, Cut 87.

00:13:25.000 Is there anything Joe Biden could do or say between now and the time you vote that would make you feel differently about feeling that his policies would not be as good for your family on the economy?

00:13:37.000 Or have you pretty much decided that Trump's policies would be better for the economy?

00:13:41.000 I mean, I feel like he doesn't even take accountability for what's at all with what's going on in the economy.

00:13:46.000 Not even accountability, like he's in denial that it's happening.

00:13:49.000 Ooh, you do not want to hear voters say that in denial that it's happening.

00:13:57.000 And they want to run on a single issue.

00:14:01.000 The economy does not get nearly as much attention as it should.

00:14:05.000 Red hot inflation report came out.

00:14:08.000 How is the Fed going to justify lowering rates?

00:14:11.000 Jerome Powell came out a month and a half ago or a couple weeks ago and said, we're going to lower rates.

00:14:15.000 Really, what is your data, Jerome Powell, to justify that you're going to lower rates?

00:14:21.000 Oh, you're making a political decision to try to get Joe Biden into their term.

00:14:25.000 The inflation report today was not a good report for the country and not good for Joe Biden.

00:14:30.000 The Dow is down 400 points.

00:14:34.000 The inflation breakdown for March 2024, the Consumer Price Index rose 3.5% in March 2024 on an annual basis.

00:14:40.000 That's up from 3.2% in February.

00:14:42.000 Elevated housing inflation has kept the CPI reading stubbornly high.

00:14:48.000 Gasoline prices also went up.

00:14:50.000 Inflation jumped in March.

00:14:52.000 And understand the way they calculate inflation is deceitful and is misleading.

00:14:58.000 And dare I say they are lying to you.

00:14:59.000 When they say inflation is at 3.5%, it's really at 10% to 12%.

00:15:04.000 They don't factor in things that you need for your family.

00:15:10.000 Abortion is a shiny light that they rely upon to distract from myriads of other disasters.

00:15:17.000 We must understand that.

00:15:19.000 That the abortion issue is the one they want the entire 2024 election to be about.

00:15:26.000 They want it to be a referendum on that.

00:15:28.000 And you look at this inflation report in one chart.

00:15:32.000 You have food up dramatically.

00:15:37.000 You have motor vehicle insurance up 22%.

00:15:41.000 That's one that you could really riff on.

00:15:43.000 Just motor vehicle insurance is up 22.2%.

00:15:48.000 Outpatient hospital service is up 8.3%.

00:15:52.000 Repair of household items up 18%.

00:15:55.000 Parking fees and tolls up 5.3%.

00:15:58.000 Garbage plus trash collection, 5.8%.

00:16:01.000 Moody Analytics says, quote, the disinflation has stalled out.

00:16:06.000 The big rock in the way here is the cost of shelter.

00:16:09.000 Oh, the cost of shelter?

00:16:12.000 You mean buying a home?

00:16:15.000 They want 2024 to be an abortion referendum.

00:16:18.000 The counter to this is to say simply, this is a state issue.

00:16:22.000 Vote the way you want your state to go.

00:16:23.000 And that's a huge victory for Trump.

00:16:26.000 Respect the will of the people.

00:16:28.000 Respect people's decision.

00:16:32.000 Trump should be bragging.

00:16:33.000 I was able to make abortion stop being an all or nothing issue.

00:16:37.000 And the vast majority of you agree.

00:16:38.000 The emails I get say, Charlie, I'm pro-life, but there are a hundred other issues that I really care about.

00:16:43.000 I want to make sure that we get political power.

00:16:47.000 And we should want to get political power.

00:16:49.000 You don't get political power.

00:16:50.000 You have nothing.

00:16:51.000 You're just a clamoring minority. 1.00

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00:17:58.000 Joining us now is the legendary Matt Walsh.

00:18:01.000 Matt, welcome to the program.

00:18:03.000 So, Matt, I didn't anticipate having you on the program talking about your new job as a daytime judge.

00:18:10.000 Tell us all about it, Matt.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, we just debuted my new show.

00:18:14.000 It's called Judged by Matt Walsh.

00:18:16.000 And it's, you know, it's kind of our foray into courtroom, into the courtroom genre.

00:18:22.000 And, you know, they came to me with this idea where I can actually be a judge and preside over real legal cases and have actual legal authority.

00:18:29.000 It's pretty limited legal authority, but I do have some over the lives of these people that step into my courtroom.

00:18:36.000 And as someone who's been accused of being judgmental pretty much my entire life, I figured it's a pretty natural, seems like a natural career path for me, a career move.

00:18:45.000 Wait, so how does this work?

00:18:46.000 Does like the local magistrate give you some authority?

00:18:49.000 Are you a lawyer?

00:18:50.000 Like, I mean, what's the process here that allows you to be somewhat of a judge?

00:18:54.000 It's not quite that official.

00:18:56.000 I think it was.

00:18:56.000 I'm still not quite accepted in the actual legal circles.

00:19:00.000 So these have to be people that come to us.

00:19:02.000 It's generally people who would never be allowed to step foot in a real courtroom.

00:19:08.000 And they come to us and said, actually, the real genesis of this is that on my show, we used to like to go to the, you know, the Reddit MI the A-Hole forum where people have their dilemmas wondering if they're the A-hole or not.

00:19:19.000 And so the original idea was like, well, what if we took those cases on Reddit and did it as a court show?

00:19:27.000 It's very high-level art that we're producing here, I think.

00:19:30.000 Yeah.

00:19:30.000 So the trailer speaks for itself.

00:19:32.000 Let's play Cut 88.

00:19:36.000 All right, it's the Honorable Judge Walsh.

00:19:42.000 Please be seated.

00:19:46.000 Ms. Goldstein.

00:19:47.000 Mr. Bentley.

00:19:48.000 Mr. Outerberry.

00:19:49.000 Ms. Spicer.

00:19:50.000 Mr. Barney.

00:19:51.000 Yes, Your Honor.

00:19:51.000 Ms. Singh.

00:19:52.000 At 30,000 feet, my lips exploded. 1.00

00:19:54.000 Why would I pay rent to somebody who had sex with my sister? 0.99

00:19:57.000 Don Bitt, my favorite. 0.99

00:19:58.000 He's allergic, like the grass.

00:19:59.000 If you didn't want me to drop the car, he would have took the key I had it with me.

00:20:04.000 Has anyone told you you're the worst negotiator that's ever lived?

00:20:07.000 I've never been more annoyed than I am in this moment. 0.91

00:20:17.000 Not even close.

00:20:18.000 That does it. 1.00

00:20:19.000 Please get the hell out of my court.

00:20:29.000 So the first episode will be free on YouTube, and then you have to get a Daily Wire Plus subscription to watch the rest.

00:20:35.000 You know, Matt, when I think of you, I think of you as very patient, understanding, empathetic, perfect for dispute resolution.

00:20:42.000 Oh, I appreciate that.

00:20:43.000 I don't think anyone else in the world thinks of me that way, but I'm glad that you do at least.

00:20:47.000 And I also figured that, look, I mean, you know, nobody in America is qualified for the jobs they're doing anymore, especially our leaders.

00:20:55.000 So if that's the case, then, hey, why can't I be a judge?

00:20:59.000 Well, I think it's terrific.

00:21:01.000 So, Matt, I want to make sure everyone's aware.

00:21:04.000 This is the first season.

00:21:05.000 How many episodes and any other details regarding that you want the audience to be aware of?

00:21:10.000 Yeah, it's first season.

00:21:10.000 We just debuted it.

00:21:11.000 You find it on the first episodes on YouTube right now.

00:21:13.000 You can go to Daily Wire YouTube, or you can go to dailywire.com, and that's where all the rest of the episodes will be streaming.

00:21:20.000 We'll release one a week for the next several weeks.

00:21:23.000 So, Matt, doing this first season, has your opinion of humanity improved or is it, let's just say, diminished?

00:21:34.000 It would be hard for it to get any worse than it already was.

00:21:36.000 It hasn't gotten better.

00:21:38.000 I certainly cannot say that I've walked out of these cases feeling more optimistic about the future of humanity, but I also don't feel worse.

00:21:45.000 So, that's the good thing about being just incredibly pessimistic all the time is that you can never be disappointed.

00:21:50.000 I can never be disappointed again.

00:21:52.000 I'm already, it's as low as it can get all the time.

00:21:54.000 Yeah, the expectations are in the gutter.

00:21:56.000 And I'm just looking at the trailer with these people's her lips blew up at 30,000 feet.

00:22:01.000 I mean, the dispute resolution thing is quite amazing.

00:22:05.000 So, look forward to watching it and diving into it.

00:22:07.000 So, Matt, would love your clarity on kind of a debate that is raging on the right right now regarding abortion.

00:22:14.000 How should we think about it?

00:22:15.000 What should we do?

00:22:16.000 Matt Walsh, what is your perspective on this?

00:22:18.000 Well, I think, first of all, as I think most people know, I'm absolutely radically 100% pro-life, no exceptions.

00:22:27.000 I think, I think, for the simple reason that it's the only logical and morally coherent position to take is to be against all abortions.

00:22:38.000 Because we kind of have, we have, we have two questions, really, when you think about the abortion issue.

00:22:43.000 The first is, you know, is it always wrong to kill innocent, defenseless human beings?

00:22:49.000 That's the first question.

00:22:50.000 My answer to that question is yes.

00:22:53.000 The second question is, is an unborn human in the womb a human?

00:22:58.000 Does that count as a human?

00:23:00.000 And my answer to that is also yes, because if you don't say yes, then you're left with a third question.

00:23:07.000 Okay, well, if it's not a human, then what is that creature in the womb?

00:23:11.000 Is it some other species?

00:23:13.000 Is there a stage of human development where a human being is not even a human?

00:23:17.000 That doesn't really make any sense.

00:23:18.000 And so, I think, again, just kind of logically, you're left with the inescapable conclusion that abortion is always wrong because it's always the murder of a human being.

00:23:26.000 And that's my position.

00:23:27.000 So, that's the position.

00:23:30.000 Now, there's a second part of the question, which is the politics of it.

00:23:34.000 And I understand that My position of being totally opposed to abortion in all cases is not the majority view of the American people.

00:23:43.000 And it's probably not even a sizable minority at this point.

00:23:46.000 Because unfortunately, we live in a country where most people are okay with at least some amount of baby murder, which is a major, which is a major indictment on our culture and a major problem in its own right.

00:23:57.000 But it is the political reality.

00:24:00.000 And so that's that.

00:24:01.000 And it's sort of the, I have the advantage when I'm not a politician that I don't really have to navigate the political reality that, of course, politicians do.

00:24:09.000 So, Matt, can you comment on the conservative movement and some Republicans that have been telling us they're pro-life and they're being revealed they're actually not very pro-life, especially in this last week, the last couple of days, where people say, well, I'm not that pro-life.

00:24:26.000 What's your comment on this?

00:24:28.000 Yeah, I mean, that's that's it doesn't doesn't surprise me because this is to some extent, this is what we've seen for decades now in the Republican Party.

00:24:36.000 In fact, what we're being told right now is that the way to win elections is to is to is to moderate your position on abortion, is to be at least a little bit pro-abortion.

00:24:46.000 And the thing is that that's what those of us who've been in the pro-life movement for a long time, we know that we've been hearing that.

00:24:52.000 This is not a new thing.

00:24:52.000 It's not a new insight.

00:24:54.000 This is what the Republican Party has been saying my entire life.

00:24:57.000 They've been insisting that the only way to win elections is to basically forfeit the pro-life position to some extent.

00:25:05.000 It doesn't seem to have worked out so far.

00:25:08.000 And the other problem, too, is that what we're being told is that, okay, well, we have to treat it as a state's rights issue.

00:25:14.000 Now, I don't agree with that.

00:25:15.000 I think that, again, killing babies is always wrong, no matter what.

00:25:18.000 And it shouldn't, you know, no state should have the right to kill babies.

00:25:24.000 But if that is the position that a conservative takes, well, then it doesn't make any sense to then turn around and oppose the states that are outlawing it.

00:25:32.000 Because you just, if you're, if your kind of way to navigate this is to say, well, make it states' rights.

00:25:37.000 Well, then what happens when a state does outlaw it?

00:25:39.000 If you turn around and oppose that too, well, then it appears that you're just pro-abortion.

00:25:43.000 And that's some of what we're seeing in Arizona right now, where, you know, after the Supreme Court decision, a law is going to go into effect.

00:25:49.000 It's not a federal law.

00:25:50.000 It's a law in that particular state that's going to ban most abortions.

00:25:54.000 And yet we have people on the right who appear to be opposed to that too, which doesn't make any sense to me if you're claiming that this is state's rights.

00:26:01.000 Well, the state has the right to pass that law, don't they?

00:26:05.000 And it's been eye-opening to me because what should have been met with celebration, Matt, was met with retreat.

00:26:12.000 Exactly.

00:26:14.000 Go ahead, please.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, that is the most frustrating thing for me.

00:26:18.000 You know, the overturning of Roe v. Wade is one of the great victories for human rights that has ever been achieved in the history of human civilization.

00:26:30.000 Just not an exaggeration, was the overturning of that evil, ridiculous law or decision.

00:26:39.000 And rather than doing what the left does, which is when they get a victory, they gloat about it, they celebrate, and then they immediately look for like, what can we do next?

00:26:47.000 How can we double down?

00:26:48.000 Where do we take this next?

00:26:50.000 What's the next victory?

00:26:51.000 They're never satisfied.

00:26:52.000 And instead, what we've done on the right, in many corners anyway, is we've responded by, we're embarrassed of the victory.

00:26:58.000 We don't want to talk about it.

00:27:01.000 We seem to be disappointed that it happened because it's politically inconvenient.

00:27:05.000 And we're now retreating, kind of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, which I think is one of the essential differences between the right and left.

00:27:15.000 Why do you think that is?

00:27:17.000 Why does the left play to win and our side plays to comfortably lose?

00:27:20.000 I think some of it is just conditioning.

00:27:22.000 This is the way conservatives have always been.

00:27:25.000 And on this particular issue of abortion, I think that the right, generally speaking, has never tried the strategy of actually trying to effectively message on this issue.

00:27:39.000 So again, my entire life, what I've been told is that the only way for Republicans to win is to moderate and run away and compromise on this.

00:27:47.000 Well, there's another, the idea of like, let's go on offense.

00:27:50.000 Let's take it to the other side.

00:27:52.000 They are the ones.

00:27:53.000 They are the ones who actually do support the murder of fully developed infants in the womb who could live outside of the womb. 0.99

00:28:03.000 I don't think that that matters in terms of whether it's okay to kill them.

00:28:06.000 It's not okay in either case.

00:28:08.000 But that is the mainstream Democrat position right now.

00:28:12.000 And rather, like that should be the conversation.

00:28:14.000 That should be what we're talking about.

00:28:15.000 But we let them set the terms of the debates by, you know, every time we talk about abortion, we have to talk about rape and incest, life of the mother.

00:28:23.000 Let's talk about the 1%, less than 1% hard cases.

00:28:27.000 That's all they want to talk about.

00:28:28.000 They don't want to talk about the 99% of cases where abortion is used quite explicitly as a form of birth control.

00:28:36.000 But we allow them.

00:28:37.000 We allow them to escape by setting the terms of the debate in that way.

00:28:42.000 Matt Walsh is now a judge.

00:28:44.000 I can't wait to watch it.

00:28:45.000 I want to make sure the audience understands that Matt Walsh deserves more credit than anybody else on moving the Overton window on the trans topic.

00:28:53.000 And I don't throw out praise lightly, but what you did for years, Matt, you were in this topic and in the weeds of it.

00:29:00.000 I think we're seeing huge movement on that topic.

00:29:04.000 And that actually might be a blueprint on the abortion topic.

00:29:07.000 You were in the trenches.

00:29:08.000 You were playing offense on it.

00:29:10.000 And now the Democrats are afraid of the topic.

00:29:13.000 Other countries are banning child mutilation.

00:29:16.000 And Matt, you deserve a lot of credit for that.

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00:29:59.000 Matt, somebody in the audience says that you need to make the next movie, What is a Baby? as a sequel to What is a Woman, because they certainly don't think the baby in the womb is a baby.

00:30:08.000 Matt, walk through some of the recent news here.

00:30:11.000 We have Europe that is banning puberty blockers, not Europe, but the United Kingdom, gender-affirming care.

00:30:17.000 We have the WPATH documents leaked.

00:30:19.000 And also there's a new study that confirms something you and I have known for quite some time, that surgical intervention actually doesn't help children when it comes to gender-affirming care or rapid onset gender dysphoria.

00:30:28.000 Matt Walsh.

00:30:29.000 Yeah, well, we're finally, first of all, we're getting the kind of scientific confirmation of the thing that we didn't need science to confirm because any rational person knows that when you sterilize children, when you chemically castrate them, that you're doing long-term damage to them.

00:30:47.000 And it's not that the damage happens as a side effect.

00:30:50.000 The damage is the quote-unquote medicine you're giving them.

00:30:54.000 That's what it's intended to do, is the damage.

00:30:56.000 It's only a question of how much damage and what other cascading effects will there be down the line.

00:31:03.000 So we always knew that there would be quite a bit, but the problem is that early on when they really started ramping up this campaign of child castration and mutilation, you know, seven, eight years ago, and they said, well, we're going to, you know, they announced the kind of plan to do this.

00:31:18.000 And those of us who objected raised our objections, we were told, well, where are your studies?

00:31:23.000 Where are the studies proving that we shouldn't do this?

00:31:25.000 Where are the long-term studies proving that this will have a bad effect?

00:31:28.000 Well, there were no long-term studies because prior to that moment, nobody was insane enough to do that to children.

00:31:35.000 And so, sort of like the bad news here is that although we have the studies that prove us right, the way we got the studies is by using an entire generation of children as the lab rats.

00:31:51.000 And now the science is very clear.

00:31:54.000 And I think that it's, you know, I think that at the very least, the assault on children by the gender ideologues, you know, it's they are losing the battle.

00:32:06.000 They've been losing it for years.

00:32:08.000 They will lose it ultimately.

00:32:10.000 I mean, I think we'll be looking at a situation, I don't know when exactly, but in several years' time at least, when this really isn't happening anywhere in the civilized world, because it's just not sustainable.

00:32:21.000 It's so horrifying and it's so indefensible.

00:32:24.000 You know, the other side, they have yet to come up with one semi-coherent argument to justify castrating a 12-year-old boy because he says he's a girl.

00:32:34.000 Never been able to do it.

00:32:36.000 And so it's only a matter of time.

00:32:39.000 And that's the whole sort of house of cards.

00:32:41.000 It's all built on this Dutch study that is not even relevant to any of the children for multiple different reasons.

00:32:48.000 And even the people who did the Dutch study can't believe that we are using the Dutch study to have the basis for chemical castration and gender mutilation.

00:32:59.000 Matt, we have moved the Overton window on this.

00:33:01.000 We are playing offense on it.

00:33:02.000 We're banning it in states.

00:33:04.000 Democrats are on the run.

00:33:05.000 We have our activists that are educated on it.

00:33:07.000 Matt, walk us through when that wasn't the case, when you were being attacked for this, that people thought it was a fringe issue.

00:33:16.000 Walk us through the acceleration that this has gone through in the last couple of years.

00:33:21.000 Well, I think that the primary thing that has helped us turn the tide on this issue, and the reason why I say we are now, although we haven't totally won, we are winning and we will win.

00:33:31.000 But what we've been able to do on this issue is set the terms of the debate.

00:33:35.000 You know, we have said this is what we're going to talk about.

00:33:38.000 This is the topic.

00:33:40.000 There's a lot we could talk about when it comes to the trans agenda.

00:33:44.000 There are a lot of other horrifying things they do, including what they do to adults, by the way, is also horrifying and shouldn't be allowed.

00:33:49.000 But what we said is, what we said is, we're going to start with this.

00:33:52.000 We're talking about this.

00:33:53.000 And you guys have to offer a justification.

00:33:56.000 A 12-year-old boy goes into the gender clinic, gets castrated, explained to us why that is okay. 0.99

00:34:01.000 And that has been the conversation.

00:34:04.000 And as much as they've wanted to change the subject, they haven't been able to.

00:34:08.000 I think we've been very focused.

00:34:09.000 We've been on offense and we've been very like, we know what the message is.

00:34:13.000 And we've been message-driven and disciplined on the message in a way that in other areas of the conservative movement, I think we have failed.

00:34:24.000 But you see what happens when we have that kind of discipline on the messaging.

00:34:29.000 Matt, about 30 seconds.

00:34:30.000 It's tough to answer in a short period of time.

00:34:32.000 Is this a blueprint for how we should address abortion?

00:34:34.000 Seems impossible, seems unpopular, and then all of a sudden we have breakthrough.

00:34:39.000 I think absolutely it is.

00:34:40.000 For the reason I just said, you stay on offense.

00:34:43.000 You do not let the other side define the terms of the debate.

00:34:47.000 They don't tell you what aspects of this problem we're going to talk about.

00:34:51.000 We tell you what we're going to talk about.

00:34:53.000 And that's what we've done here.

00:34:55.000 I think if you did it on abortion, it is a winnable issue. 0.91

00:34:59.000 It's not something we win overnight, but it is winnable.

00:35:02.000 And obviously, the murder of children is just as horrifying, if not more, than what the trans ideologues are doing. 0.95

00:35:08.000 And it's more individuals.

00:35:10.000 It's over a million a year.

00:35:11.000 Matt, thank you for your great work.

00:35:13.000 Thanks for having our back.

00:35:14.000 We have your back.

00:35:14.000 Matt Walsh, thanks so much.

00:35:16.000 Thank you.

00:35:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:20.000 Email us as always freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:35:23.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 10, 2024

Matt Walsh is Ready to Judge

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