The Charlie Kirk Show - Mayor Rudy Giuliani | The Antidote to America’s Big City Chaos

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00:01:16.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:16.000 Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 I am joined by Mr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani himself, the man who turned around New York, who has done such phenomenal things for our country.

00:01:29.000 And I am honored to call him a friend.

00:01:30.000 Mr. Mayor, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:32.000 Charlie, it's a great pleasure to be on your show.

00:01:34.000 I always, always enjoy it.

00:01:36.000 So I have been repeating facts in the last couple of weeks to the great outrage of the radical left and the passive right.

00:01:45.000 And one of the facts that I've been repeating, Mr. Mayor, I want you to dive into is in the 90s when you became mayor, the unnecessary and unwarranted bloodshed that was happening, specifically in minority communities in New York City, was unspeakable.

00:02:01.000 You put forth a series of pro-police reforms that, according to the data that I have been provided that I've researched and gone into, dramatically reduced violent crime, specifically in minority communities.

00:02:14.000 Mr. Mayor, you did this by empowering the police, working with community leaders, and because of it, tens of thousands of black Americans were able to live better, more peaceful lives.

00:02:27.000 Can you talk about your time as mayor, the reforms you did, and what on earth is going on in this country when it comes to police?

00:02:36.000 What I did, Charlie, is first of all, my background had been in law enforcement for 25 or 30 years, sort of from the ground up.

00:02:46.000 I was an assistant U.S. attorney, executive assistant, eventually U.S. attorney, Associate Attorney General of the United States.

00:02:53.000 So I knew law enforcement in New York intimately, and then in America from the bottom up.

00:03:00.000 And I had prosecuted personally almost every kind of case that now I was going to be involved in supervising.

00:03:09.000 And I had a reputation as a very successful prosecutor.

00:03:13.000 So I had the respect and the ability to bring together the FBI, the police department, the drug agency, all the agencies of government.

00:03:22.000 And instead of having this fractious relationship, I was able to develop a very, very good communication.

00:03:30.000 And I had a vision.

00:03:32.000 And the vision that I had came out of the report done for Ronald Reagan in 1981 or 82, the task force reported on violent crime.

00:03:43.000 And that report basically talked about how there were a lot of strategies you need to bring down this incredible amount of violent crime.

00:03:52.000 But one of the core issues is policing and you had to make policing accountable.

00:04:00.000 Almost like a business.

00:04:01.000 You have 100 salesmen, you got to know which one sells the products and which ones does it.

00:04:07.000 And if you don't, you never improve your sales organization.

00:04:10.000 You need to know which police officers are effective, not so much in arresting people, but in bringing down crime.

00:04:16.000 So we came into a city that was in a crisis far beyond the criminality of any American city today, even Chicago.

00:04:25.000 We had averaged over the last four years almost 2,000 murders a year.

00:04:31.000 That was a record.

00:04:32.000 In fact, in two of those years, we set a record for murder. 0.88

00:04:35.000 I should add that somewhere between 70 and 80% of the people murdered were black, and about 70 to 82% of the people who did the murders were black. 0.75

00:04:46.000 And we had an equivalent number of robberies, rapes, stolen vehicles, housebreak-ins, you name it. 0.93

00:04:56.000 And the city was deteriorating.

00:04:58.000 We hadn't had a Fortune 500 company come to New York in 20 years.

00:05:02.000 We had about 25 move out.

00:05:04.000 Our unemployment was over 10%.

00:05:08.000 We had 1.1 million people on welfare, predicted to grow to 1.5 million.

00:05:13.000 And we had homelessness that made San Francisco look small.

00:05:19.000 And our homeless were, some of them, violent criminals who would attack people in the park and attack people in their automobiles.

00:05:27.000 And I just mentioned a few of the problems.

00:05:29.000 A completely deteriorated school system that nobody wanted to send their child to.

00:05:35.000 So my job, the reason I got elected was because I was a Republican.

00:05:42.000 Well, that's weird.

00:05:43.000 The city's five to one Democrat.

00:05:46.000 And I got elected on very much the same slogan Donald Trump got elected on, which is, you can't do any worse.

00:05:53.000 Tell me how you can have more than 2,400 murders a year and still exist.

00:05:58.000 Tell me how you can have more than 1.1 million people not working and everybody else having to support them.

00:06:04.000 So on and on and on.

00:06:05.000 I got elected.

00:06:07.000 I got elected with about as clear an agenda as anybody could ever get elected.

00:06:11.000 They don't like Republicans.

00:06:12.000 They didn't particularly like me.

00:06:14.000 They liked what I did as a prosecutor.

00:06:16.000 They weren't sure I wouldn't be too tough as a mayor.

00:06:19.000 But they were in such bad shape.

00:06:20.000 They couldn't walk the streets.

00:06:21.000 Their children were being beaten up.

00:06:23.000 And every three weeks they were going to a funeral for a friend that they said, let's take a chance on this guy.

00:06:30.000 And I said, I'm going to get elected or re-elected or make a mark in this city based on one thing.

00:06:35.000 Do I reduce crime?

00:06:37.000 I devoted 24 hours a day to studying it.

00:06:40.000 I come up in a family of five uncles, so law enforcement was in my blood.

00:06:46.000 I was a criminal defense lawyer, as well as a very successful criminal prosecutor.

00:06:52.000 And I knew the mafia in my city intimately from all the studies I had done of them and investigations.

00:07:00.000 And I set out a plan, wrote it down on a piece of paper, set goals for when we would get it done, and I had a plan for violent crime.

00:07:08.000 And we began to execute it.

00:07:11.000 And I'll simplify it this way.

00:07:13.000 It had three main pieces to it.

00:07:15.000 One, it had a philosophy, the broken windows theory.

00:07:19.000 We would pay attention to small things and surprise them.

00:07:22.000 So they wouldn't get the chance to hit the building with a couple of bricks, see that nobody paid attention to it, and then go in and rob the whole building.

00:07:34.000 They wouldn't get a chance to put a little graffiti on a store, see that nobody paid attention to it, put graffiti all over it, and then go in and rob it.

00:07:44.000 That's called establishing a lawful community or a lawless community.

00:07:50.000 And then with regard to riots, we set down a rule, also a broken windows rule.

00:07:56.000 You get to protest.

00:07:58.000 And given the policies I had in effect, I knew you were going to protest.

00:08:02.000 I cut the city government by 20%.

00:08:05.000 I cut the entitlement programs by 20%.

00:08:07.000 I required people on welfare to work for the first time in history.

00:08:11.000 I knew there would be protests.

00:08:14.000 I said, you can have as many protests as you want, but here's the rules, and don't test.

00:08:21.000 The first one who throws a rock gets arrested and goes to Rikers Island.

00:08:26.000 The second one that throws a piece of paper or water gets arrested.

00:08:33.000 The third one that scratches the car gets arrested.

00:08:36.000 The fourth one that walks beyond the line assigned for demonstrators gets arrested.

00:08:40.000 And the one who burns a building gets arrested.

00:08:43.000 You're probably not going to see the outside of a jail for 20 years because I'll personally go ask the judge to put you in jail for 20 years.

00:08:49.000 So get the point.

00:08:50.000 We are the best city in America for peaceful protest.

00:08:54.000 We'll get some crazy ones and we'll protect you to the hilt.

00:08:57.000 But we do not allow you to step over the line. 0.86

00:09:02.000 Now that was to combat a venting theory that my predecessor, this was some kind of a silly conception of a liberal mind, that if you let them riot a little, they get it out of their system, then it's easier to control.

00:09:20.000 I think Al Sharpton gave him this idea because Al Sharpton was one of his close advisors.

00:09:26.000 Well, of course, he tried that in Washington Heights, and it led to the entire burning of Washington Heights for three nights of massive lawlessness. 0.87

00:09:34.000 He tried it in Crown Heights when black people were killing and attacking Jewish people for being Jewish, which we call a pogrom. 0.64

00:09:42.000 He did that for three nights until Ray Kelly came in with the police and put it down in two hours. 0.70

00:09:48.000 So my theory, which I wrote out, was, so they all understood it, let's have the rules straight.

00:09:54.000 Protest as long as you want.

00:09:57.000 Protest peacefully.

00:09:59.000 First time you break a law, little or big, you get arrested.

00:10:05.000 And I will have enough police there to take care of it.

00:10:09.000 What I would also do is I'd have enough police to take care of the mob, but I would always have in reserve five, six, seven, eight blocks away, the requisite number of additional police.

00:10:20.000 Maybe 500, maybe 1,000, maybe once I had 2,000, hidden.

00:10:26.000 So the minute it started to break out into something where they started moving, like you saw in New York, that would have gotten two blocks with me.

00:10:34.000 Because when they got to that third block, there'd be 2,000 police officers standing there.

00:10:39.000 Let me see it go beyond 2,000 police officers.

00:10:43.000 We used helicopters.

00:10:45.000 I didn't see them used.

00:10:47.000 We used mounted police so you could look in the crowd and you could see in the crowd who's throwing the Molotov cocktail.

00:10:55.000 And you could have him out of there in five minutes instead of having him throw 10 of them.

00:11:00.000 You could see who's throwing the brick and who's instigating the crowd.

00:11:05.000 When you're at eye level with them, you can't see that.

00:11:08.000 So when I looked at the policing over the last couple of weeks, I said New York has lost all that it's learned under me and Bloomberg.

00:11:18.000 And the rest of the country has never been trained to police a riot.

00:11:22.000 There are things, fundamental things that could have been done.

00:11:25.000 So Charlie, from my way of thinking, absolutely none of this could have happened.

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00:12:35.000 You know, Mr. Mayor, when I first started Turning Point USA eight years ago, I used to love to go to New York City.

00:12:41.000 It was a beautiful, energetic place.

00:12:44.000 And you deserve a lot of credit for that.

00:12:47.000 And I don't want to say it's no longer that way, but Mr. Mayor, I was there, you know, moving a friend out of an apartment, which has now become happening with record frequency.

00:12:57.000 People are now moving out of New York and record rates.

00:13:00.000 And Mr. Mayor, I did not recognize the city at all, at all.

00:13:04.000 The widespread vagrancy, the stores that are boarded up, an attitude to individuals that were walking the streets late at night.

00:13:17.000 And let's just say it just didn't feel like a safe city.

00:13:20.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:13:22.000 And Mr. Mayor, you spent a lot of time in New York.

00:13:25.000 And I mean, Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio are now letting people out of Rikers Island.

00:13:30.000 They are reinforcing this pathological idea from Al Sharpton that burning communities somehow gets it out of their system.

00:13:41.000 And look, the right to peacefully protest is a constitutionally protected right.

00:13:45.000 It is.

00:13:46.000 You do not have the right to burn down 170 minority businesses.

00:13:51.000 So, Mr. Mayor, I have to ask: do these people, de Blasio and Cuomo, what are their intentions here?

00:13:59.000 Are they trying to turn New York City into Gotham City or do they actually think they're doing something righteous?

00:14:05.000 Well, you know, Charlie, I usually begin with all political figures, those I agree with and those I even dramatically disagree with, assuming they have good motives. 0.86

00:14:16.000 I assume they have good motives, but they have an ignorant, historically disproven theory like socialism.

00:14:24.000 Maybe they just haven't read history. 0.97

00:14:27.000 Maybe they're not just well-educated.

00:14:29.000 Maybe the emotions have taken over logic, which has happened a lot now.

00:14:34.000 All I see in politics now is raw emotion.

00:14:37.000 I see very little intellect and very little opportunity to appeal to intellect.

00:14:44.000 So I have two different answers, but this is purely Rudy Giuliani personally knowing these two men and the way you'd make a guess about people you know, this is a guess.

00:14:55.000 I believe that Cuomo is well motivated.

00:14:57.000 I think he comes out of a traditional Democratic background, center-left background, maybe even a little center on certain issues, left on others.

00:15:08.000 His first couple of years as governor, he governed as a pretty moderate governor.

00:15:13.000 Last couple of years, he's embraced some really radical things.

00:15:16.000 I think Andrew is also a politician, and he's thinking about his place in the National Democratic Party.

00:15:24.000 And I think it kind of suggests to me that Democrats have made the choice that moderate Democrats don't belong anymore, at least not in leadership positions.

00:15:35.000 So he's gotten to be more left.

00:15:38.000 But in comparison to de Blasio, he's like a savior. 0.99

00:15:43.000 On four out of five totally idiotic de Blasio ideas, Cuomo saves us. 0.96

00:15:52.000 And every once in a while he goes along because the pressure is too great. 0.98

00:15:58.000 During the pandemic, the reason so many people died in New York, and I know that the whole nursing home thing has to be looked at, and that could be Cuomo's fault and possibly de Blasio's.

00:16:08.000 But I'm putting that one aside because I didn't know that one right away.

00:16:12.000 Their lack of communication and coordination cost lies.

00:16:17.000 And I know that because I ran emergencies in New York City, ran big ones, some of them under more pressure than theirs.

00:16:25.000 And every single one of them, I worked with the governor, hand and glove.

00:16:29.000 If you go back to the footage of 9-11, you will see that in half that footage, the man standing right next to me is a lot taller than me, and his name is George Pataki.

00:16:39.000 We had three staff meetings a day. 0.95

00:16:41.000 We had our staffers in the meeting so that our staffers wouldn't undercut us because we said there was no room in this emergency for the usual bureaucratic, I hope I could say this word on podcast bullshit. 0.93

00:16:55.000 And we made sure there wasn't any.

00:16:59.000 And it meant that when we needed, when we needed more reinforcements for the slurry wall that was holding the Hudson River out of the bombed out basement of the World Trade Center, which, by the way, with any good storm, that whole part of Manhattan would have been flooded.

00:17:21.000 The state produced that for us in one day.

00:17:26.000 If we had done it the de Blasio Cuomo way, it would be a requisition form to the state.

00:17:36.000 The state would then analyze how much does it need for the rest of the state, how much for New York.

00:17:41.000 We probably would get it five days later.

00:17:43.000 We'd get probably a third of it.

00:17:45.000 And the slurry wall would have broken and it would have been useless by the time we got it.

00:17:50.000 So the governor and I had been in office long enough and seen enough of that to know that happens.

00:17:59.000 And we didn't even discuss whether we would run the governments together.

00:18:02.000 It was almost assumed that we did.

00:18:05.000 As soon as I got out of the building I was trapped in, the governor called me.

00:18:09.000 He said, Mayor, I was very worried about you.

00:18:11.000 We thought we lost you.

00:18:12.000 I said, well, thank God we haven't.

00:18:14.000 He said, we got to get together right away and put our governments together as we agreed.

00:18:18.000 Maybe he was thinking I was trying to back out of it.

00:18:20.000 Of course, I wouldn't.

00:18:21.000 And I said, Governor, I think maybe we should go to the police academy.

00:18:25.000 I'll walk there.

00:18:26.000 You drive there.

00:18:27.000 And as soon as we get there, this thing will be run together until further notice.

00:18:32.000 And that's what we did. 0.52

00:18:34.000 And if I can give you one main thing that we did that made 9-11 come out better than, let's say, Katrina, right?

00:18:41.000 It's that the governor and I were at the same table along with the FEMA director, who President Bush put there, and we never made a decision alone.

00:18:52.000 Whereas in New Orleans, that happened a few years later, the governor was in Baton Rouge, and the mayor was hiding on a boat in New Orleans, and the FEMA Commission was trying to find his way to New Orleans.

00:19:11.000 When I saw that, I said to my former Homeland Security Director, the president's got a disaster here going on, and they'll blame it on him because even though this is essentially a local matter, a president can't look good when the mayor, the governor are bad because he doesn't have the resources.

00:19:31.000 And in fact, the mayor has the primary resources.

00:19:34.000 Cuomo can't look good if de Blasio doesn't know what he's doing.

00:19:38.000 The mayor runs, think about it, the police department, the fire department, the emergency services, the reconstruction department, all the human agencies that deal with human affairs, the hospital system.

00:19:53.000 The mayor needs a lot of help from the governor like this.

00:19:57.000 But if the governor is incompetent, the mayor can't, the governor, if the mayor is incompetent, the governor can't fill in.

00:20:04.000 And I do think Cuomo did the best he could to fill in, but it ended up being a failure.

00:20:09.000 Well, Mr. Mayor, that's well said.

00:20:12.000 I mean, I have no love lost for Andrew Cuomo and his descent into radicalism.

00:20:17.000 I would agree that he's traditionally from a more center-left history politically, but de Blasio has always been a radical Marxist.

00:20:27.000 And then he is allowing his out-of-control ideology to dictate the future of New York, not actually what is best for the city.

00:20:35.000 And it's tragic because you're going to see New York become crime-infested again.

00:20:42.000 You're going to see a massive exodus away from New York City.

00:20:45.000 And those that are stuck with out-of-control rents or property, it's just going to be a continue and endless cycle of destruction.

00:20:53.000 What happens in New York gets copied all over the country?

00:20:59.000 I can't escape thinking that that whole insanity in Seattle about an autonomous city comes about because they saw how they could push the police around in New York.

00:21:11.000 And then earlier than that, they saw how they could push the police around in Minnesota.

00:21:15.000 Those demonstrations of lawlessness on national television are extremely damaging.

00:21:22.000 Charlie, they're extremely damaging.

00:21:24.000 They show the American people who are inclined that way.

00:21:28.000 You can get away with it.

00:21:29.000 You can get away with it.

00:21:31.000 I even wonder if this shooting that took place, you know, Friday night at the Wendy's, I wonder if that guy wasn't inclined to resist arrest because he saw so many other people resisting arrest.

00:21:45.000 And he thinks, oh, you can do that now.

00:21:49.000 I'm sure you were taught like I was taught.

00:21:52.000 And if a police officer arrests you, maybe I hope, my God, my son, it's a mistake, but you treat him with great respect.

00:22:03.000 Get it straightened out in the precinct.

00:22:05.000 Let him arrest you.

00:22:06.000 Let him take you in.

00:22:07.000 Don't answer him back.

00:22:08.000 Wait till I come.

00:22:09.000 Wait until a lawyer comes.

00:22:11.000 And then you can explain that you really weren't the person, somebody who looked like you walked by before.

00:22:16.000 Don't try to explain it yourself.

00:22:19.000 And don't get angry.

00:22:20.000 He's just doing his job.

00:22:22.000 Well, this guy blew off the handle the minute they put the handcuffs on him.

00:22:27.000 And he started pounding them, punching them hard.

00:22:32.000 He was bigger than them and stronger than them.

00:22:34.000 He got away from them and he took a taser.

00:22:37.000 And then he shot the taser back at them and they shot him.

00:22:41.000 Now, people can argue whether a taser is a deadly weapon or not, but this crime is committed in the course of committing five other crimes.

00:22:51.000 And that taser in his hand could be very dangerous.

00:22:54.000 For example, if he hit the two police officers with the taser and disabled them, he could have quickly run up and taken their guns.

00:23:02.000 Now the guy would be running around with three guns, make him pretty popular in the hood.

00:23:07.000 And a lot of damage could be done that night with those three guns.

00:23:15.000 So the police job is very hard to second guess.

00:23:18.000 And the one thing you can say about the difference between the Floyd case and this case, this is very, very ambiguous circumstances where the perpetrator gives them a lot of reason to have to use justifiable force, whereas Floyd didn't give them any reason to do so.

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00:24:29.000 So, Mr. Mayor, the media is telling us that it was unarmed and that he was innocent, and that is just not, that's not a correct depiction of events.

00:24:40.000 Well, let's see how much they've lied about that, Charlie.

00:24:40.000 And I...

00:24:44.000 Because the media is, the media should, if you could do it, there wasn't no First Amendment, they should be put in jail.

00:24:50.000 I mean, that statement is totally false, right?

00:24:53.000 First of all, he did commit an offense.

00:24:57.000 He was driving an automobile while intoxicated.

00:25:00.000 He could have killed four children.

00:25:02.000 I mean, driving an automobile while intoxicated is one of the crimes that I hate the most.

00:25:07.000 I became a convert in 1981 at a Mothers Against Drunk Driving convention in Seattle, Washington.

00:25:14.000 I went there as an associate attorney general to speak for Ronald Reagan.

00:25:18.000 And I was sitting in the audience with my pal from the Justice Department, and he saw me crying.

00:25:22.000 And I was crying because the mothers are getting up and saying, my little Johnny was out.

00:25:27.000 He just walked out in the driveway and bam, this car came off the sidewalk.

00:25:30.000 You hit him.

00:25:30.000 And the guy was dead drunk and ran away.

00:25:34.000 And I said to myself, this is one of the things that responsible human beings can stop.

00:25:38.000 We can stop killing people while drunk.

00:25:41.000 There's a way to do it.

00:25:42.000 Don't drive while you're drunk.

00:25:44.000 If you're going to have a drink, stay there.

00:25:47.000 Order a cab.

00:25:49.000 Sleep it out.

00:25:50.000 This guy was drunk.

00:25:52.000 He was then obstructing the line to a Wendy's.

00:25:56.000 Not a big crime, but an annoyance. 0.96

00:25:58.000 Number three, the police didn't go there looking for a black man to shoot, as they love to try to present. 0.99

00:26:04.000 The police went there because citizens called them to help them with a problem. 0.97

00:26:10.000 Just like all the arrests for murders come about because blacks identify other blacks as the murderers.

00:26:17.000 It's not racist. 0.97

00:26:18.000 It's self-selected.

00:26:20.000 70% of the victims of murder in St. Louis or in Missouri, 79% black, I think St. Louis. 0.73

00:26:31.000 79% of the suspects are black.

00:26:33.000 That means 79% of the times a black person calls in and identifies another black person as the murderer. 0.96

00:26:39.000 White people don't self-select blacks. 0.90

00:26:43.000 So they're there because they're called there, because there's a DWI and the guy's blocking people getting their Wendy's sandwiches. 0.61

00:26:52.000 They come up.

00:26:53.000 You can see it's very peaceful at first.

00:26:55.000 Kind of an interesting discussion.

00:26:57.000 The police officer must smell liquor and says he's got to take a test.

00:27:02.000 He takes the test and he blows it.

00:27:05.000 They then say you're under arrest.

00:27:07.000 As they are about to put the handcuffs on him, and looks at total surprise, he goes wild.

00:27:13.000 He starts waving his arms.

00:27:15.000 He hits one police officer with a flush with a right hand.

00:27:19.000 He kicks another police officer and he grabs the taser gun and runs away with the taser gun.

00:27:26.000 Police officer chases after him and he waves.

00:27:31.000 He shoots the police officer a couple of times with the taser gun.

00:27:34.000 Police officer attempts to shoot him, misses.

00:27:37.000 All of a sudden, he takes it out again and he shoots.

00:27:41.000 And simultaneously, as he's moving back with that taser gun, police officer goes for his service revolver, pulls it out, and shoots him.

00:27:50.000 And the police officers, I believe, have been fired and the police chief resigns, which that always made me uncomfortable because we don't even know all the facts.

00:27:59.000 We haven't seen all the data and the cameras surrounding it.

00:28:02.000 And look, what's going to happen, Mr. Mayor, is now that inner cities that need policing more than ever, the police are going to be disbanded.

00:28:09.000 They're going to say they're not welcome and it's going to be a bloodbath in our inner cities.

00:28:13.000 It is.

00:28:14.000 Charlie, I run a security company made up of ex-police officers and ex-FBI agents.

00:28:20.000 I haven't asked each one of them.

00:28:22.000 I've asked five of them, would you?

00:28:24.000 And these are gung-ho police officers, you know, like guys who loved it and guys who were in special units and some of them were special forces in the military.

00:28:36.000 You know what they say?

00:28:38.000 I can't stop my son from doing anything he wants, but it'd be over my dead body.

00:28:44.000 He said, at least we knew it was tough.

00:28:47.000 We knew the brass would come after us.

00:28:49.000 But we always ultimately believed there would be the lady of justice that would vindicate, like Eddie Gallagher was eventually vindicated, went through hell, eventually vindicated.

00:29:00.000 He said, we don't think that we think they have hijacked Lady Liberty.

00:29:06.000 It's all about get the police no matter what.

00:29:10.000 He said, you're going to see a police officer take a little old lady across the street, and then they're going to claim he made sexual advances to her.

00:29:18.000 And it's sad.

00:29:20.000 It's really sad.

00:29:22.000 And we have to be there for them.

00:29:24.000 I don't mean we have to be there for them when they do things wrong.

00:29:28.000 Charlie, I prosecuted over 70 police officers and put them in prison for the same amount of time I put some mafia people in.

00:29:35.000 I have no slightest resistance in prosecuting a police officer if he did something wrong.

00:29:41.000 I have a lot of sadness about it, but I overcome my sadness.

00:29:47.000 And the reality is, these people are primarily some of the best people we have in our society.

00:29:55.000 They have fewer bad people than most other professions.

00:29:58.000 Unfortunately, when they're bad people, act bad, it has more dramatic consequences.

00:30:03.000 But they're painting a picture of a group of men and women who are somehow renegades, and they're not.

00:30:11.000 They're some of our best citizens.

00:30:13.000 And there are citizens who have the courage to put their lives at risk for us.

00:30:18.000 And we're going to walk out on them in place of what appears to be people who want to burn down buildings, steal liquor, beat up women, and frame people.

00:30:31.000 We've got to fight for them.

00:30:33.000 We've got to reestablish the respect for police in America.

00:30:36.000 Amen.

00:30:37.000 Well, Mr. Mayor, in the couple minutes we have remaining, I know you're very tightly scheduled.

00:30:41.000 Can you give us an update of what's going on with the Biden family businesses?

00:30:47.000 You've been looking into this a lot.

00:30:48.000 I know it's a little bit, you know, separate than what we've been talking about, but I get so many emails about this from our listeners.

00:30:54.000 And you know this issue better than anyone else.

00:30:56.000 Well, I will in a few weeks return to this issue in time for when people get serious about the election, first of all, to review the massive criminal evidence we already have and also to put forward some more criminal evidence that we've acquired and some of which we had that now makes more sense.

00:31:13.000 So, the best way I can describe this is the overall, not just Ukraine situation, from the day Joe Biden went into the Senate, his family made a decision.

00:31:22.000 They're going to make money.

00:31:24.000 And they were going to organize little businesses and they were going to ask people to hire them for real estate, to hire them for lobbying, and they would get them special access to Joe.

00:31:36.000 And they succeeded in doing that, and they succeeded in making a decent amount of money on that. 0.98

00:31:40.000 I call that small-town grifted. 0.97

00:31:44.000 When his son got out of college, his son got a job with the biggest bank in Delaware. 0.92

00:31:50.000 And all of a sudden, Joe changed his position on banking and became the biggest, biggest opponent of any kind of bankruptcy change because the bankruptcy change would hurt the banks.

00:32:04.000 He was one of the sole Democrats that took that position.

00:32:07.000 I think he used to be known as Mr. MBNA Bank.

00:32:12.000 His son worked for them for eight years for well over $100,000.

00:32:17.000 And when investigative reporters reported it, some of the people at MBA never seen him show up at work.

00:32:23.000 So now, again, small-time grifted.

00:32:26.000 Before he became a United States vice president, he had four or five more of these incidents with two of his brothers.

00:32:34.000 And with they set up a lobbying firm, got into a lot of trouble.

00:32:38.000 They set up a private equity company using Joe's name to gather money.

00:32:42.000 One of the partners went bankrupt and was caught in a Ponzi scheme.

00:32:45.000 And they had a bailout and somehow, somehow miraculously, never got prosecuted for it.

00:32:50.000 Again, part of the small-time Ponzi scheme.

00:32:53.000 When he became vice president, they hit the big time.

00:32:56.000 They weren't going to go for thousands.

00:32:57.000 They're going to go for millions. 0.96

00:32:59.000 First one was Iraq.

00:33:01.000 In Iraq, there was a housing contract given out.

00:33:04.000 All of a sudden, Joe Biden's brother James shows up in the middle as a one-third owner of this.

00:33:10.000 He knows nothing about housing and nothing about Iraq.

00:33:13.000 But Joe was the point man for Iraq.

00:33:16.000 So the family pulled in somewhere between a quarter of and half a billion for that one.

00:33:23.000 Not a bad payday.

00:33:24.000 When Joe becomes the point man for Ukraine, his son gets a job with the crookedest man in the Ukraine who's trying to save a $5 billion amount of money he stole from the Ukraine.

00:33:36.000 And he enlists Joe Biden's support in protecting that money.

00:33:40.000 In return for that, he promises Joe Biden's son a no-show job.

00:33:45.000 The amounts of money for that are on the record about $6 billion.

00:33:50.000 They have now discovered laundered payments to take it up to about $9 or $10 billion.

00:33:56.000 And they are in the process of finding even additional laundered payments.

00:33:59.000 There are several notes that indicate that some of that money went directly to Joe Biden.

00:34:04.000 That is straight-out-n-out bribery.

00:34:07.000 Mr. Zelshevsky bribed Mr. Biden to use his office to influence President Poroshenko.

00:34:15.000 The four main telephone calls indicating that are being suppressed by the Trump Justice, by the Trump State Department, which is rather strange.

00:34:27.000 I have informal information about what they contain, and so does Tom Fitton.

00:34:30.000 Tom did get us one conversation that makes it pretty clear that Poroshenko and Biden were lying in order to get rid of the prosecutor and creating a corruption case on him so they could get rid of the prosecutor who wanted to prosecute Biden's son and Biden's criminal boss.

00:34:49.000 That's about as clear as a bell now.

00:34:52.000 And then Biden got the case dismissed, and there are suspicious offshore accounts that appear to be going to the Biden family thereafter.

00:35:02.000 And because the U.S. has not cooperated with Ukraine, they can't quite finish it out.

00:35:08.000 So there's plenty in the Ukraine.

00:35:10.000 Next limited to they made about 12 million by selling his influence in the Ukraine.

00:35:15.000 Now comes China.

00:35:17.000 He flies little Joe down with him to, I mean, Joe flies Hunter Biden down with him to China on Air Force II.

00:35:31.000 Joe is supposed to negotiate with the Chinese over the Sakhalin Islands, I believe, and also Taras.

00:35:37.000 He spends 10 days there.

00:35:39.000 You go back to contemporary newspapers and it says he was an utter failure.

00:35:43.000 He got rolled by the Chinese government.

00:35:45.000 Not unusual because he never had a successful negotiation in his entire career.

00:35:50.000 He got rolled by the Iraqis, too. 0.99

00:35:52.000 He couldn't have a status of forces agreement.

00:35:56.000 But what we didn't know is when they got back after 10 days, they got a little surprise in the mail.

00:36:01.000 They got a $1 billion commitment by the Bank of China to a hedge fund or fund run by Biden's kid, Kerry's stepkid, and Whitey Bulge's nephew.

00:36:15.000 They eventually put $1.5 billion in.

00:36:18.000 And you and I didn't know about that.

00:36:20.000 You and I didn't know that the guy who was negotiating for us with China, China was making his family billionaires.

00:36:30.000 That's outrageous.

00:36:32.000 I mean, that could be pretty close to the worst crime committed in the last hundred years in America.

00:36:39.000 I mean, Joe sold out America. 0.95

00:36:42.000 This isn't just creepy little Joe, basically a small-time Delaware plagiarizer and crook. 0.69

00:36:52.000 This is a guy selling out his country.

00:36:53.000 And why people are surprised by this?

00:36:56.000 Oh, Joe is such a good man, such a nice man.

00:36:59.000 He has such integrity.

00:37:00.000 The guy cheated on his law school exam.

00:37:04.000 He didn't start off as a man of integrity. 0.98

00:37:06.000 He started off as a cheap liar. 0.97

00:37:10.000 Right? 0.94

00:37:11.000 He cheated on his law school exam.

00:37:14.000 Then he cheated again on his law school exam.

00:37:18.000 And then he plagiarized as a senator and had a drop out of the race.

00:37:23.000 This is a guy with an essentially dishonest personality.

00:37:27.000 I prosecuted criminals, Charlie. 0.95

00:37:30.000 You know, when I first heard this, I said, I can't believe that Biden is this crooked.

00:37:33.000 Let me take a good look at him.

00:37:34.000 He seems like an honest guy.

00:37:36.000 I went into his background and I said, oh my God, this fixed the profile of about 5,000 conmen that I put in jail. 0.99

00:37:44.000 Guy's a crook. 0.54

00:37:47.000 If he weren't a crook, I would feel very sorry for him right now, because I think his family is doing him a great injustice by making him decompose right in front of our eyes. 0.99

00:37:58.000 We're watching a man falling apart.

00:38:01.000 And had I not known all this crookedness and all this selling out of America, I would have felt sorry for him.

00:38:08.000 But what kind of family does he have that lets him go on there and not know his name, not know where he is, not be able to put two sentences together that make sense?

00:38:19.000 It's a family that figures they're going to make more money when he becomes president.

00:38:23.000 They've been selling him for years and they're going to keep him alive for so long as they can sell him.

00:38:28.000 They probably are still owed a lot more money by China.

00:38:32.000 And by the way, every time he got money, I can also prove if the left-wing media didn't try to beat me in the ground and try to make me non-relevant as if I'm senile and I'm crazy and I'm a conspiracy theorist.

00:38:46.000 I'm none of those things.

00:38:47.000 I'm a very sharp lawyer who has put in jail some of the worst criminals in the last hundred years and haven't had the cases reversed.

00:38:57.000 If they would give me one hour to just lay this case out on national television, I can't believe that you're not going to take him away in handcuffs.

00:39:08.000 You cannot let a man like this become president of the United States.

00:39:11.000 I hear the second thing. 0.89

00:39:13.000 The man is clearly cognitively impaired to such an extent that it's an illness.

00:39:19.000 And it's an illness that every one of them knows is degenerative.

00:39:24.000 Doesn't get better.

00:39:25.000 It gets worse.

00:39:27.000 He right now seems to be having trouble with really who he is.

00:39:32.000 But that's not the only thing.

00:39:34.000 He inappropriately gets angry.

00:39:37.000 You see those bursts of temper that don't seem to have to do with something else.

00:39:41.000 That's like indicator number seven of dementia.

00:39:46.000 If I can go down the list, he's got about seven of the ten.

00:39:50.000 Well, Mr. Mayor, we look forward to those documents coming out and you continuing to keep the pressure on.

00:39:57.000 How can our audience support you?

00:39:58.000 We have your back.

00:39:59.000 Well, I really wish you'd all get on my podcast too.

00:40:03.000 It's on Rudy.

00:40:04.000 Rudy, Rudy'scommonsense.com.

00:40:09.000 And we have already about eight back issues on Biden that you might want to catch up on because he's been out of the news for a while.

00:40:17.000 And in about two weeks, we're going to go back to him with the newly discovered evidence that we have, which is going to take what we had before and make it a lot more dramatic and also implicate.

00:40:27.000 It wasn't just, I should say, Charlie, in conclusion, this wasn't just Biden.

00:40:31.000 This was an Obama administration corruption.

00:40:34.000 Other officials did the same thing. 1.00

00:40:37.000 Hillary did the same thing. 1.00

00:40:39.000 And some other officials did the same thing.

00:40:42.000 And O'Biden knew about it and tolerated it.

00:40:45.000 And the question is, why?

00:40:47.000 Did he just not care?

00:40:49.000 Was he getting something out of it?

00:40:50.000 I mean, he came out of a terrible political background, Chicago.

00:40:55.000 So the interesting questions between now and the end of the election.

00:40:59.000 And I'm one of going to make sure they don't escape it.

00:41:02.000 Well said.

00:41:02.000 Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

00:41:03.000 Everyone, subscribe to his podcast.

00:41:05.000 You're a great man, Mr. Mayor.

00:41:07.000 You've done great for our country.

00:41:09.000 Charlie, let me take this opportunity to congratulate you for doing something our party needs so badly.

00:41:14.000 And that is to bring young people in to realize that we really are the future of an honest, you know, well-directed restoration of an American republic that we can be proud of.

00:41:26.000 Amen.

00:41:27.000 Well, thank you.

00:41:27.000 That's very kind of you.

00:41:28.000 We're going to win.

00:41:30.000 I know we are.

00:41:31.000 And for the future.

00:41:32.000 Amen.

00:41:32.000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

00:41:33.000 Talk to you soon.

00:41:34.000 Thank you.

00:41:34.000 God bless you.

00:41:37.000 What a great conversation that was with Mayor Giuliani.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 17, 2020

Mayor Rudy Giuliani | The Antidote to America’s Big City Chaos

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