00:00:57.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:04.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:36.000So I have been repeating facts in the last couple of weeks to the great outrage of the radical left and the passive right.
00:01:45.000And one of the facts that I've been repeating, Mr. Mayor, I want you to dive into is in the 90s when you became mayor, the unnecessary and unwarranted bloodshed that was happening, specifically in minority communities in New York City, was unspeakable.
00:02:01.000You put forth a series of pro-police reforms that, according to the data that I have been provided that I've researched and gone into, dramatically reduced violent crime, specifically in minority communities.
00:02:14.000Mr. Mayor, you did this by empowering the police, working with community leaders, and because of it, tens of thousands of black Americans were able to live better, more peaceful lives.
00:02:27.000Can you talk about your time as mayor, the reforms you did, and what on earth is going on in this country when it comes to police?
00:02:36.000What I did, Charlie, is first of all, my background had been in law enforcement for 25 or 30 years, sort of from the ground up.
00:02:46.000I was an assistant U.S. attorney, executive assistant, eventually U.S. attorney, Associate Attorney General of the United States.
00:02:53.000So I knew law enforcement in New York intimately, and then in America from the bottom up.
00:03:00.000And I had prosecuted personally almost every kind of case that now I was going to be involved in supervising.
00:03:09.000And I had a reputation as a very successful prosecutor.
00:03:13.000So I had the respect and the ability to bring together the FBI, the police department, the drug agency, all the agencies of government.
00:03:22.000And instead of having this fractious relationship, I was able to develop a very, very good communication.
00:04:32.000In fact, in two of those years, we set a record for murder.
00:04:35.000I should add that somewhere between 70 and 80% of the people murdered were black, and about 70 to 82% of the people who did the murders were black.
00:04:46.000And we had an equivalent number of robberies, rapes, stolen vehicles, housebreak-ins, you name it.
00:07:15.000One, it had a philosophy, the broken windows theory.
00:07:19.000We would pay attention to small things and surprise them.
00:07:22.000So they wouldn't get the chance to hit the building with a couple of bricks, see that nobody paid attention to it, and then go in and rob the whole building.
00:07:34.000They wouldn't get a chance to put a little graffiti on a store, see that nobody paid attention to it, put graffiti all over it, and then go in and rob it.
00:07:44.000That's called establishing a lawful community or a lawless community.
00:07:50.000And then with regard to riots, we set down a rule, also a broken windows rule.
00:08:14.000I said, you can have as many protests as you want, but here's the rules, and don't test.
00:08:21.000The first one who throws a rock gets arrested and goes to Rikers Island.
00:08:26.000The second one that throws a piece of paper or water gets arrested.
00:08:33.000The third one that scratches the car gets arrested.
00:08:36.000The fourth one that walks beyond the line assigned for demonstrators gets arrested.
00:08:40.000And the one who burns a building gets arrested.
00:08:43.000You're probably not going to see the outside of a jail for 20 years because I'll personally go ask the judge to put you in jail for 20 years.
00:08:50.000We are the best city in America for peaceful protest.
00:08:54.000We'll get some crazy ones and we'll protect you to the hilt.
00:08:57.000But we do not allow you to step over the line.
00:09:02.000Now that was to combat a venting theory that my predecessor, this was some kind of a silly conception of a liberal mind, that if you let them riot a little, they get it out of their system, then it's easier to control.
00:09:20.000I think Al Sharpton gave him this idea because Al Sharpton was one of his close advisors.
00:09:26.000Well, of course, he tried that in Washington Heights, and it led to the entire burning of Washington Heights for three nights of massive lawlessness.
00:09:34.000He tried it in Crown Heights when black people were killing and attacking Jewish people for being Jewish, which we call a pogrom.
00:09:42.000He did that for three nights until Ray Kelly came in with the police and put it down in two hours.
00:09:48.000So my theory, which I wrote out, was, so they all understood it, let's have the rules straight.
00:09:59.000First time you break a law, little or big, you get arrested.
00:10:05.000And I will have enough police there to take care of it.
00:10:09.000What I would also do is I'd have enough police to take care of the mob, but I would always have in reserve five, six, seven, eight blocks away, the requisite number of additional police.
00:10:20.000Maybe 500, maybe 1,000, maybe once I had 2,000, hidden.
00:10:26.000So the minute it started to break out into something where they started moving, like you saw in New York, that would have gotten two blocks with me.
00:10:34.000Because when they got to that third block, there'd be 2,000 police officers standing there.
00:10:39.000Let me see it go beyond 2,000 police officers.
00:10:47.000We used mounted police so you could look in the crowd and you could see in the crowd who's throwing the Molotov cocktail.
00:10:55.000And you could have him out of there in five minutes instead of having him throw 10 of them.
00:11:00.000You could see who's throwing the brick and who's instigating the crowd.
00:11:05.000When you're at eye level with them, you can't see that.
00:11:08.000So when I looked at the policing over the last couple of weeks, I said New York has lost all that it's learned under me and Bloomberg.
00:11:18.000And the rest of the country has never been trained to police a riot.
00:11:22.000There are things, fundamental things that could have been done.
00:11:25.000So Charlie, from my way of thinking, absolutely none of this could have happened.
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00:12:44.000And you deserve a lot of credit for that.
00:12:47.000And I don't want to say it's no longer that way, but Mr. Mayor, I was there, you know, moving a friend out of an apartment, which has now become happening with record frequency.
00:12:57.000People are now moving out of New York and record rates.
00:13:00.000And Mr. Mayor, I did not recognize the city at all, at all.
00:13:04.000The widespread vagrancy, the stores that are boarded up, an attitude to individuals that were walking the streets late at night.
00:13:17.000And let's just say it just didn't feel like a safe city.
00:13:46.000You do not have the right to burn down 170 minority businesses.
00:13:51.000So, Mr. Mayor, I have to ask: do these people, de Blasio and Cuomo, what are their intentions here?
00:13:59.000Are they trying to turn New York City into Gotham City or do they actually think they're doing something righteous?
00:14:05.000Well, you know, Charlie, I usually begin with all political figures, those I agree with and those I even dramatically disagree with, assuming they have good motives.
00:14:16.000I assume they have good motives, but they have an ignorant, historically disproven theory like socialism.
00:14:29.000Maybe the emotions have taken over logic, which has happened a lot now.
00:14:34.000All I see in politics now is raw emotion.
00:14:37.000I see very little intellect and very little opportunity to appeal to intellect.
00:14:44.000So I have two different answers, but this is purely Rudy Giuliani personally knowing these two men and the way you'd make a guess about people you know, this is a guess.
00:14:55.000I believe that Cuomo is well motivated.
00:14:57.000I think he comes out of a traditional Democratic background, center-left background, maybe even a little center on certain issues, left on others.
00:15:08.000His first couple of years as governor, he governed as a pretty moderate governor.
00:15:13.000Last couple of years, he's embraced some really radical things.
00:15:16.000I think Andrew is also a politician, and he's thinking about his place in the National Democratic Party.
00:15:24.000And I think it kind of suggests to me that Democrats have made the choice that moderate Democrats don't belong anymore, at least not in leadership positions.
00:15:38.000But in comparison to de Blasio, he's like a savior.
00:15:43.000On four out of five totally idiotic de Blasio ideas, Cuomo saves us.
00:15:52.000And every once in a while he goes along because the pressure is too great.
00:15:58.000During the pandemic, the reason so many people died in New York, and I know that the whole nursing home thing has to be looked at, and that could be Cuomo's fault and possibly de Blasio's.
00:16:08.000But I'm putting that one aside because I didn't know that one right away.
00:16:12.000Their lack of communication and coordination cost lies.
00:16:17.000And I know that because I ran emergencies in New York City, ran big ones, some of them under more pressure than theirs.
00:16:25.000And every single one of them, I worked with the governor, hand and glove.
00:16:29.000If you go back to the footage of 9-11, you will see that in half that footage, the man standing right next to me is a lot taller than me, and his name is George Pataki.
00:16:41.000We had our staffers in the meeting so that our staffers wouldn't undercut us because we said there was no room in this emergency for the usual bureaucratic, I hope I could say this word on podcast bullshit.
00:16:59.000And it meant that when we needed, when we needed more reinforcements for the slurry wall that was holding the Hudson River out of the bombed out basement of the World Trade Center, which, by the way, with any good storm, that whole part of Manhattan would have been flooded.
00:17:21.000The state produced that for us in one day.
00:17:26.000If we had done it the de Blasio Cuomo way, it would be a requisition form to the state.
00:17:36.000The state would then analyze how much does it need for the rest of the state, how much for New York.
00:17:41.000We probably would get it five days later.
00:18:34.000And if I can give you one main thing that we did that made 9-11 come out better than, let's say, Katrina, right?
00:18:41.000It's that the governor and I were at the same table along with the FEMA director, who President Bush put there, and we never made a decision alone.
00:18:52.000Whereas in New Orleans, that happened a few years later, the governor was in Baton Rouge, and the mayor was hiding on a boat in New Orleans, and the FEMA Commission was trying to find his way to New Orleans.
00:19:11.000When I saw that, I said to my former Homeland Security Director, the president's got a disaster here going on, and they'll blame it on him because even though this is essentially a local matter, a president can't look good when the mayor, the governor are bad because he doesn't have the resources.
00:19:31.000And in fact, the mayor has the primary resources.
00:19:34.000Cuomo can't look good if de Blasio doesn't know what he's doing.
00:19:38.000The mayor runs, think about it, the police department, the fire department, the emergency services, the reconstruction department, all the human agencies that deal with human affairs, the hospital system.
00:19:53.000The mayor needs a lot of help from the governor like this.
00:19:57.000But if the governor is incompetent, the mayor can't, the governor, if the mayor is incompetent, the governor can't fill in.
00:20:04.000And I do think Cuomo did the best he could to fill in, but it ended up being a failure.
00:20:12.000I mean, I have no love lost for Andrew Cuomo and his descent into radicalism.
00:20:17.000I would agree that he's traditionally from a more center-left history politically, but de Blasio has always been a radical Marxist.
00:20:27.000And then he is allowing his out-of-control ideology to dictate the future of New York, not actually what is best for the city.
00:20:35.000And it's tragic because you're going to see New York become crime-infested again.
00:20:42.000You're going to see a massive exodus away from New York City.
00:20:45.000And those that are stuck with out-of-control rents or property, it's just going to be a continue and endless cycle of destruction.
00:20:53.000What happens in New York gets copied all over the country?
00:20:59.000I can't escape thinking that that whole insanity in Seattle about an autonomous city comes about because they saw how they could push the police around in New York.
00:21:11.000And then earlier than that, they saw how they could push the police around in Minnesota.
00:21:15.000Those demonstrations of lawlessness on national television are extremely damaging.
00:21:31.000I even wonder if this shooting that took place, you know, Friday night at the Wendy's, I wonder if that guy wasn't inclined to resist arrest because he saw so many other people resisting arrest.
00:21:45.000And he thinks, oh, you can do that now.
00:21:49.000I'm sure you were taught like I was taught.
00:21:52.000And if a police officer arrests you, maybe I hope, my God, my son, it's a mistake, but you treat him with great respect.
00:22:03.000Get it straightened out in the precinct.
00:22:22.000Well, this guy blew off the handle the minute they put the handcuffs on him.
00:22:27.000And he started pounding them, punching them hard.
00:22:32.000He was bigger than them and stronger than them.
00:22:34.000He got away from them and he took a taser.
00:22:37.000And then he shot the taser back at them and they shot him.
00:22:41.000Now, people can argue whether a taser is a deadly weapon or not, but this crime is committed in the course of committing five other crimes.
00:22:51.000And that taser in his hand could be very dangerous.
00:22:54.000For example, if he hit the two police officers with the taser and disabled them, he could have quickly run up and taken their guns.
00:23:02.000Now the guy would be running around with three guns, make him pretty popular in the hood.
00:23:07.000And a lot of damage could be done that night with those three guns.
00:23:15.000So the police job is very hard to second guess.
00:23:18.000And the one thing you can say about the difference between the Floyd case and this case, this is very, very ambiguous circumstances where the perpetrator gives them a lot of reason to have to use justifiable force, whereas Floyd didn't give them any reason to do so.
00:24:29.000So, Mr. Mayor, the media is telling us that it was unarmed and that he was innocent, and that is just not, that's not a correct depiction of events.
00:24:40.000Well, let's see how much they've lied about that, Charlie.
00:27:15.000He hits one police officer with a flush with a right hand.
00:27:19.000He kicks another police officer and he grabs the taser gun and runs away with the taser gun.
00:27:26.000Police officer chases after him and he waves.
00:27:31.000He shoots the police officer a couple of times with the taser gun.
00:27:34.000Police officer attempts to shoot him, misses.
00:27:37.000All of a sudden, he takes it out again and he shoots.
00:27:41.000And simultaneously, as he's moving back with that taser gun, police officer goes for his service revolver, pulls it out, and shoots him.
00:27:50.000And the police officers, I believe, have been fired and the police chief resigns, which that always made me uncomfortable because we don't even know all the facts.
00:27:59.000We haven't seen all the data and the cameras surrounding it.
00:28:02.000And look, what's going to happen, Mr. Mayor, is now that inner cities that need policing more than ever, the police are going to be disbanded.
00:28:09.000They're going to say they're not welcome and it's going to be a bloodbath in our inner cities.
00:28:24.000And these are gung-ho police officers, you know, like guys who loved it and guys who were in special units and some of them were special forces in the military.
00:28:38.000I can't stop my son from doing anything he wants, but it'd be over my dead body.
00:28:44.000He said, at least we knew it was tough.
00:28:47.000We knew the brass would come after us.
00:28:49.000But we always ultimately believed there would be the lady of justice that would vindicate, like Eddie Gallagher was eventually vindicated, went through hell, eventually vindicated.
00:29:00.000He said, we don't think that we think they have hijacked Lady Liberty.
00:29:06.000It's all about get the police no matter what.
00:29:10.000He said, you're going to see a police officer take a little old lady across the street, and then they're going to claim he made sexual advances to her.
00:30:13.000And there are citizens who have the courage to put their lives at risk for us.
00:30:18.000And we're going to walk out on them in place of what appears to be people who want to burn down buildings, steal liquor, beat up women, and frame people.
00:30:48.000I know it's a little bit, you know, separate than what we've been talking about, but I get so many emails about this from our listeners.
00:30:54.000And you know this issue better than anyone else.
00:30:56.000Well, I will in a few weeks return to this issue in time for when people get serious about the election, first of all, to review the massive criminal evidence we already have and also to put forward some more criminal evidence that we've acquired and some of which we had that now makes more sense.
00:31:13.000So, the best way I can describe this is the overall, not just Ukraine situation, from the day Joe Biden went into the Senate, his family made a decision.
00:31:24.000And they were going to organize little businesses and they were going to ask people to hire them for real estate, to hire them for lobbying, and they would get them special access to Joe.
00:31:36.000And they succeeded in doing that, and they succeeded in making a decent amount of money on that.
00:31:44.000When his son got out of college, his son got a job with the biggest bank in Delaware.
00:31:50.000And all of a sudden, Joe changed his position on banking and became the biggest, biggest opponent of any kind of bankruptcy change because the bankruptcy change would hurt the banks.
00:32:04.000He was one of the sole Democrats that took that position.
00:32:07.000I think he used to be known as Mr. MBNA Bank.
00:32:12.000His son worked for them for eight years for well over $100,000.
00:32:17.000And when investigative reporters reported it, some of the people at MBA never seen him show up at work.
00:33:24.000When Joe becomes the point man for Ukraine, his son gets a job with the crookedest man in the Ukraine who's trying to save a $5 billion amount of money he stole from the Ukraine.
00:33:36.000And he enlists Joe Biden's support in protecting that money.
00:33:40.000In return for that, he promises Joe Biden's son a no-show job.
00:33:45.000The amounts of money for that are on the record about $6 billion.
00:33:50.000They have now discovered laundered payments to take it up to about $9 or $10 billion.
00:33:56.000And they are in the process of finding even additional laundered payments.
00:33:59.000There are several notes that indicate that some of that money went directly to Joe Biden.
00:34:07.000Mr. Zelshevsky bribed Mr. Biden to use his office to influence President Poroshenko.
00:34:15.000The four main telephone calls indicating that are being suppressed by the Trump Justice, by the Trump State Department, which is rather strange.
00:34:27.000I have informal information about what they contain, and so does Tom Fitton.
00:34:30.000Tom did get us one conversation that makes it pretty clear that Poroshenko and Biden were lying in order to get rid of the prosecutor and creating a corruption case on him so they could get rid of the prosecutor who wanted to prosecute Biden's son and Biden's criminal boss.
00:35:52.000He couldn't have a status of forces agreement.
00:35:56.000But what we didn't know is when they got back after 10 days, they got a little surprise in the mail.
00:36:01.000They got a $1 billion commitment by the Bank of China to a hedge fund or fund run by Biden's kid, Kerry's stepkid, and Whitey Bulge's nephew.
00:37:47.000If he weren't a crook, I would feel very sorry for him right now, because I think his family is doing him a great injustice by making him decompose right in front of our eyes.
00:38:01.000And had I not known all this crookedness and all this selling out of America, I would have felt sorry for him.
00:38:08.000But what kind of family does he have that lets him go on there and not know his name, not know where he is, not be able to put two sentences together that make sense?
00:38:19.000It's a family that figures they're going to make more money when he becomes president.
00:38:23.000They've been selling him for years and they're going to keep him alive for so long as they can sell him.
00:38:28.000They probably are still owed a lot more money by China.
00:38:32.000And by the way, every time he got money, I can also prove if the left-wing media didn't try to beat me in the ground and try to make me non-relevant as if I'm senile and I'm crazy and I'm a conspiracy theorist.
00:38:47.000I'm a very sharp lawyer who has put in jail some of the worst criminals in the last hundred years and haven't had the cases reversed.
00:38:57.000If they would give me one hour to just lay this case out on national television, I can't believe that you're not going to take him away in handcuffs.
00:39:08.000You cannot let a man like this become president of the United States.
00:40:09.000And we have already about eight back issues on Biden that you might want to catch up on because he's been out of the news for a while.
00:40:17.000And in about two weeks, we're going to go back to him with the newly discovered evidence that we have, which is going to take what we had before and make it a lot more dramatic and also implicate.
00:40:27.000It wasn't just, I should say, Charlie, in conclusion, this wasn't just Biden.
00:40:31.000This was an Obama administration corruption.
00:41:09.000Charlie, let me take this opportunity to congratulate you for doing something our party needs so badly.
00:41:14.000And that is to bring young people in to realize that we really are the future of an honest, you know, well-directed restoration of an American republic that we can be proud of.