00:00:05.000Filmmaker Joel Gilbert walks us through that.
00:00:07.000You guys can go to SalemNow.com to check out that film.
00:00:11.000And also, Libby Emmons joins us about the snake, Dr. Deborah Burks.
00:00:16.000And also, I reflect briefly in this episode on what I believe to be the biggest obstacle to Trump's success in 2016, 2017, I guess you should say, through 2021, his first term, personnel.
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00:02:54.000Well, now the Scarf Woman is out with a new book, and she admits to at the very least being deceitful and maybe as bad as being treasonous.
00:03:08.000She says, quote, I couldn't do anything that would reveal my true intention, quote, to use the travel ban as one brick in the construction of a larger wall of the protective measures we needed to enact very soon.
00:03:22.000With us to help unpack this scandal of Scarf Woman is Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial.
00:03:28.000Libby, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:03:39.000So Scarf Woman, aka Dr. Deborah Burks, was part of the task force in the Trump administration to deal with the pandemic.
00:03:48.000She does have this new book out called Silent Invasion, and she's talking about how they went about dealing with COVID during her time in the administration and working with Trump.
00:04:02.000It's actually really fascinating because, as you said, one of the quotes is that she had to be careful not to reveal her true intentions.
00:04:21.000So early on in March of 2020, she had a meeting with Couchy and some other people that she trusted on her team, and they agreed to push this 15 days to stop the spread thing, agreeing at the time that this was just going to be the beginning.
00:04:41.000They didn't tell Trump or his advisors that this was their plan, that this 15 days was just the start of a much bigger lockdown economic shutdown type of plan.
00:04:51.000They just went little by little and they just pushed these measures through one at a time without revealing that their plan was to make it worse.
00:05:02.000Trump's advisors, as she discusses in the book, were primarily interested in the economic outcomes and the disasters that were potential from economic shutdown.
00:05:13.000And, you know, she seems to think that that's a base concern.
00:05:17.000Looking at our culture and our society right now, I don't think that's such a base concern personally.
00:05:45.000So what else has she revealed in this book?
00:05:47.000I mean, it seems as if she is admitting to being outwardly deceitful and undermining Trump at every corner and every turn.
00:05:56.000She also discusses how her recommendations were not based on U.S. domestic data, but were based on data from South Korea, China, and Italy primarily, and that this is what she was using to give recommendations.
00:06:11.000One thing that she did say, and she said this also in speaking to Congress in June, is that she doesn't believe the CDC has good data or has the methodology to get good data because they're primarily based on a voluntary reporting system.
00:06:27.000So she did tell Representative Jim Jordan that one of her main concerns and reasons that she wrote this book was to encourage better data collection in the U.S.
00:06:40.000So that is something that is interesting as well.
00:06:46.000Another thing that she said was that when she submitted guidance to Trump and his advisors, it would come back redlined and she would take the same guidance that they had pulled out of her ask, you know, for recommendations, and she would just put it in the same guidance, but in a different place and try to obfuscate it.
00:07:08.000And this is another thing that she seemed to be proud of.
00:07:11.000In talking to Jim Jordan also, he asked her a rather interesting question.
00:07:16.000He said, when the government was giving us information about vaccine efficacy and the possibility of transmission, were they lying or guessing?
00:07:25.000And she said, in fact, that they were instead hoping that the guidance was correct.
00:08:42.000Yeah, my view on this has been for really for two years.
00:08:45.000Well, before I came into this kind of role, my view on this has been very clear, which is local jurisdictions, cities, counties, states should make decisions about mask mandates because communities are different and their patterns of transmission are different.
00:09:00.000That said, CDC has very clear guidance on this as well through their COVID community levels.
00:09:05.000And the CDC recommendation is that when you're in a high zone, that sort of orange zone, as LA County is, you know, people wearing masks indoors is really important and it really will make a difference.
00:09:17.000Now they're all for decentralization, but do you think that there is a big midterm push coming for this new variant?
00:09:25.000Oh, yeah, if they could lock us down before the midterms and get us all to mail in our ballots, I think they would be very happy.
00:09:32.000I think it behooves Americans to think for themselves, as it always does, and not to be cowed by these people who declare themselves to be experts without actually using data pulled from the United States or from, you know, the states that need to make these determinations.
00:09:52.000I also just personally think that a mask mandate, that the government ever telling you what you have to wear to cover your face, I don't think that's ever appropriate.
00:10:01.000And I don't think that Americans should go back to being told what to do by these people.
00:11:30.000What do you think about Trump 2024 when it comes to personnel?
00:11:36.000Morton Blackwell from the Leadership Institute would always say that personnel is policy.
00:11:43.000That the people you actually have in positions of power matters as much as the policy that you are trying to put forward.
00:11:51.000That if you do not have good personnel, then your policy is not going to happen.
00:11:57.000And boy, is that exemplified in people like Rex Tillerson or Amarosa or Fauci or Dr. Burks?
00:12:06.000Now, part of it is that there was a behind-the-scenes, behind-the-back campaign and agenda that people thought that they could game Trump.
00:12:19.000Now, I'm not going to say that it's a failure or a failing, but it was definitely the greatest impediment for Donald Trump's success in his first term was the personnel around him.
00:12:31.000Unfortunately, a lot of these people were coached to just flatter him in the meeting and they give him a bunch of power and they'll eventually then stab him in the back.
00:12:42.000I mean, it goes all the way up to the top levels of our government that we have seen one person after the other.
00:12:51.000And I'd love your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:12:54.000And yes, someone just emailed us, Charlie, it was maddening to see the lack of loyalty.
00:13:00.000And so if there is a Trump second term, if there is a Trump chance to run again in 2024, of which I will support, and I know a lot of you will as well, and we'll encourage you to do that also, there needs to be an agenda and a clearinghouse for personnel.
00:13:21.000Because imagine how much would have gotten done if we didn't have these sort of backstabbing snakes and serpents, Burks and Fauci being among them.
00:13:31.000Now, it's frustrating because many of us on the outside that have been nothing but loyal to President Trump, you have to look at these deceitful and arrogant and prideful, double-minded people that were able to usurp and undermine the entire government.
00:13:54.000It's a very, very important thing as we think about Trump in 2024.
00:13:59.000And people say, oh, if Trump and DeSantis run, I said, look, I'm a loyal person.
00:14:03.000President Trump has always been so good to me.
00:14:05.000And I told him if he ran again, we'd have his back.
00:15:25.000The news on the TV telling you about people who want to stop you from doing your job and you put your shoulders back and you just go out and focus on your students.
00:15:43.000There is so much weight on all of you, but you carry it.
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00:19:12.000So, I have to tell you, the people I really trust for political analysis, they'll all kind of turn around when you ask them about 2024 and they'll lean in and they'll say, What about Michelle Obama?
00:19:25.000You see, Michelle Obama seems to be the X factor.
00:19:29.000We're told she's the most popular person in America.
00:19:34.000Before I welcome the film's mastermind, someone I've known for quite a while, and we had a phenomenal mutual friend, Tom Patrick, may he rest in peace.
00:20:35.000So, Joel, I'll give you the floor and then I'm going to play some devil's advocate and we'll have some fun with it.
00:20:40.000Why'd you make the film and why do you think Michelle is running in 2024?
00:20:44.000Well, as you showed in the trailer just now, I think she's following the exact same formula that Barack did to become president.
00:20:51.000Barack had this voter registration organization when he started in politics called Project Vote.
00:20:57.000Michelle started When We All Vote, which she was here a few weeks ago in Los Angeles, gave a one-hour fiery speech hitting every Democrat talking point.
00:21:06.000She was the keynote speaker at the 2020 Democrat Convention, just like Barack was in 2004 for John Kerry.
00:21:12.000That's the slot that they give to the person they think will probably be the nominee at the next convention.
00:21:18.000And of course, Barack wrote his book, Dreams from My Father, that he based his candidacy on his personal story.
00:21:25.000And Michelle wrote Becoming, her memoir, in 2018.
00:21:39.000Her, you know, disclaimer that she's used for years is: you know, I hate politics, but all politicians hate politics.
00:21:47.000They just love the power and they love the agenda that they can put forth.
00:21:52.000So I became convinced that she's running.
00:21:54.000And I made both a film, which as you said, is on salemnow.com, and a book version, which you can get on Amazon.com.
00:22:03.000So I agree with all of that, but she says, look, you mentioned I hate politics and that I like living in Martha's Vineyard and everyone's so nasty.
00:22:11.000And I'm going to do this in real time.
00:22:13.000But didn't she have to take like a mental health break or something, Joel, that she had to take?
00:22:18.000CNN, Michelle Obama opens up about mental health struggles during COVID pandemic, that she needs to calm down and she has tools to cope with depression.
00:22:29.000What are your, I mean, she's a victim, right?
00:22:31.000I mean, she's not going to run for president.
00:22:35.000Michelle, as I go into the film, in the book, I go into her whole life history that she's been in politics since she was six years old, hanging along with her father, who was a precinct captain for the Democrat Party machine in Chicago.
00:22:51.000She went so over the top, people don't all remember, but in 2007, 208, she was so political every night giving these speeches to sold out, you know, huge crowds.
00:24:00.000How did he manage to get through the campaign?
00:24:02.000Well, it turned out, we learned later, his staff, supervised by Dr. Jill, his wife, was giving him pills before every public appearance, checking the time and at a certain hour, giving him a dose of something.
00:26:09.000I mean, what we find out in my film, I went and spoke to, you know, her kindergarten classmates, elementary school teachers, three of her boyfriends growing up, her professor at Princeton.
00:26:26.000So you really get a real picture of Michelle.
00:26:28.000And the picture that emerges is someone who ran away from the black community every chance she got growing up for education.
00:26:36.000And then when she had a professional career in Chicago, she was always hired by white elites, worked for Mayor Richard Daly, and she was the assistant planning commissioner for this scheme called Redevelopment, where they knocked down the projects like the Brini Green, made 20,000 blacks homeless, and gave the land away to Democrat donor developers like Tony Resco, who built these single-family homes and gave part of the money back to the politicians.
00:27:06.000And then, having proven her callousness, she was hired by the University of Chicago Medical Center to head up something called the Southside Health Collaborative.
00:27:15.000They were losing too much money because the same Southside black folks were coming to the emergency room and getting medical care for free.
00:27:25.000And so Michelle headed up the scheme to make sure they didn't come to the hospital.
00:27:30.000She'd actually put them in these vans and dump them in these crappy neighborhood clinics.
00:27:35.000So Michelle has had a lifelong aspiration to whiteness.
00:27:38.000She really doesn't have any black friends.
00:27:41.000She always ran away from the black community every chance she got.
00:27:45.000So she doesn't really hate white people, anything like that.
00:27:50.000She exploited the black community growing up and in her professional career.
00:27:54.000And then to add insult to injury, as you see in my film, she pretends to be one of these ordinary black people that she spent her life selling out, would be a better characterization.
00:28:21.000People say, yeah, she hates white people.
00:28:22.000I was like, I don't really think that deeply about Michelle Obama, actually.
00:28:26.000But it's actually what you're, it would actually be better politically if she hated white people, because that's kind of like cool and in vogue.
00:28:31.000What you're telling me is she loves white people and has disdain for black people.
00:28:38.000You can watch it in the film on salemnow.com.
00:28:40.000You can live stream it or get the DVD.
00:28:42.000She actually says, you know, openly at many of these becoming tour events, she spilled the beans.
00:28:49.000She said that she was afraid to go out of her house.
00:28:51.000She's afraid of getting beat up by black kids.
00:28:54.000In her book, she writes about this girl named Dee Dee, who she had a fistfight with because she accused her of acting white.
00:29:01.000Actually, the term was Oreo, meaning black on the outside and white on the inside.
00:29:06.000So she was always accused of being a white girl growing up in South Shore, which is not even on the South side, by the way.
00:29:15.000And so this is the real story: she always ran away from the black community and exploited them once she got these professional jobs working on behalf of the white establishment.
00:29:39.000Okay, well, I wrote this article because I came across, believe it or not, her voter registration form in Chicago showed that she registered to vote as a male in 1994.
00:29:51.000And then in 2008, she changed the sex from male to female.
00:29:57.000Now, obviously, this was a clerical error.
00:29:59.000I point that out because I do get asked a lot.
00:30:23.000It was obviously a joke, but it spurred a lot of internet memes and kind of mean-spirited stuff, I think, because of Michelle's America bashing politics.
00:30:33.000So when I came across her voter registration, I had to write an article showing that she accidentally, I'm sure, had circled the M for male and then corrected it later.
00:30:57.000You guys can watch the movie on demand or buy the DVD on Salem Now.
00:31:00.000So, Joel, after the break, I want to ask you about how formidable would Michelle Obama be?
00:31:06.000This is something that I think has yet to be determined because, again, I'm not, you're kind of the Michelle Obama resident scholar here, which congratulations, kind of carved out a niche for yourself, which probably is going to be a gold mine.
00:31:44.000I mean, she caters definitely to a specific slitter of the population, but I can't imagine her support goes beyond kind of like Oprah watching soccer moms and the base of the Democrat Party.
00:32:40.000Now, she actually is vulnerable for anyone that would make her, for example, if a Republican candidate would demand that she apologize for how she treated the black community in Chicago when she worked for the mayor's office or when she worked for the University of Chicago Medical Center.
00:33:35.000And Michelle would be a very formidable candidate for the Republicans to have to take on.
00:33:41.000Not a little of which is because of their fear of being attacked or criticizing her, which is part of the reason I think she's such a good candidate for the Democrats.
00:33:54.000So in closing here, Joel, then what would the roadmap be if you're right?
00:33:59.000And we don't know, but I mean, you've made a whole movie about it.
00:34:14.000We'll do all the work because you can get the right boxes checked.
00:34:18.000What are we to do to prevent what seems to be the ascending star that could potentially run a basement campaign and actually get away with it?
00:34:28.000Yeah, I think, look, I think this is why I came out with this movie and book well in advance of when I think she's going to announce, which would be next year.
00:34:36.000I think if people watch the film, you'll see and understand that Michelle's entire life story that she told, and she still tells to this day, is not true, that she's from a political family.