The Charlie Kirk Show - Michelle Obama 2024?

00:00:00.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk show is Michelle Obama running for president in 2024.

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody.

00:00:05.000 Filmmaker Joel Gilbert walks us through that.

00:00:07.000 You guys can go to SalemNow.com to check out that film.

00:00:11.000 And also, Libby Emmons joins us about the snake, Dr. Deborah Burks.

00:00:16.000 And also, I reflect briefly in this episode on what I believe to be the biggest obstacle to Trump's success in 2016, 2017, I guess you should say, through 2021, his first term, personnel.

00:00:27.000 And I believe it's something we got to talk about.

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00:01:51.000 I knew from the moment I saw her, I turned to Connor, I turned to Andrew, and I said, I don't trust that woman. 0.94

00:02:01.000 The Scarf Lady.

00:02:03.000 You see, I was watching way too much TV back during the Chinese coronavirus.

00:02:10.000 I said, something about that scarf lady, I don't trust her. 1.00

00:02:13.000 She is a snake with a scarf. 1.00

00:02:17.000 And we were told everyone, oh, Deborah Burks is great.

00:02:21.000 And I'll be honest.

00:02:23.000 You know how many people in the White House, at some point, I should not declassify.

00:02:28.000 That's the wrong word.

00:02:28.000 I should just publicize my emails that I sent to the White House.

00:02:33.000 These long, incredibly passionate emails.

00:02:37.000 You guys are making such a mistake.

00:02:39.000 Why are you locking things down?

00:02:40.000 Stop this, please.

00:02:42.000 And to their credit, or in their defense, they were getting so many emails.

00:02:45.000 They didn't know which side was up.

00:02:46.000 They were overwhelmed.

00:02:47.000 But I said, stop trusting the Scarf Woman. 1.00

00:02:52.000 Yet they did.

00:02:54.000 Well, now the Scarf Woman is out with a new book, and she admits to at the very least being deceitful and maybe as bad as being treasonous. 0.96

00:03:08.000 She says, quote, I couldn't do anything that would reveal my true intention, quote, to use the travel ban as one brick in the construction of a larger wall of the protective measures we needed to enact very soon.

00:03:22.000 With us to help unpack this scandal of Scarf Woman is Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial. 0.76

00:03:28.000 Libby, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:31.000 Hey, Charlie, how's it going?

00:03:32.000 Good.

00:03:32.000 Libby, tell us the story.

00:03:34.000 Why are we learning it now?

00:03:36.000 And what has Scarf Woman been up to? 1.00

00:03:39.000 So Scarf Woman, aka Dr. Deborah Burks, was part of the task force in the Trump administration to deal with the pandemic.

00:03:48.000 She does have this new book out called Silent Invasion, and she's talking about how they went about dealing with COVID during her time in the administration and working with Trump.

00:04:02.000 It's actually really fascinating because, as you said, one of the quotes is that she had to be careful not to reveal her true intentions.

00:04:11.000 She writes this outright.

00:04:13.000 This is something that she's proud of, the way that she handled things in dealing with this.

00:04:20.000 And yeah, that's what she said.

00:04:21.000 So early on in March of 2020, she had a meeting with Couchy and some other people that she trusted on her team, and they agreed to push this 15 days to stop the spread thing, agreeing at the time that this was just going to be the beginning.

00:04:41.000 They didn't tell Trump or his advisors that this was their plan, that this 15 days was just the start of a much bigger lockdown economic shutdown type of plan.

00:04:51.000 They just went little by little and they just pushed these measures through one at a time without revealing that their plan was to make it worse.

00:05:02.000 Trump's advisors, as she discusses in the book, were primarily interested in the economic outcomes and the disasters that were potential from economic shutdown.

00:05:13.000 And, you know, she seems to think that that's a base concern.

00:05:17.000 Looking at our culture and our society right now, I don't think that's such a base concern personally.

00:05:23.000 Incredible.

00:05:24.000 Let's play cut 219.

00:05:26.000 This is Scarf Woman on television, play cut 219.

00:05:30.000 Contact Trace the way that we need to.

00:05:34.000 I think that's why the criteria that you can see the gates that are that the federal government has recommended.

00:05:40.000 Yeah, the Gates Foundation, I mean, the federal government.

00:05:43.000 It's an interesting slip of tongue.

00:05:45.000 So what else has she revealed in this book?

00:05:47.000 I mean, it seems as if she is admitting to being outwardly deceitful and undermining Trump at every corner and every turn.

00:05:56.000 She also discusses how her recommendations were not based on U.S. domestic data, but were based on data from South Korea, China, and Italy primarily, and that this is what she was using to give recommendations.

00:06:11.000 One thing that she did say, and she said this also in speaking to Congress in June, is that she doesn't believe the CDC has good data or has the methodology to get good data because they're primarily based on a voluntary reporting system.

00:06:27.000 So she did tell Representative Jim Jordan that one of her main concerns and reasons that she wrote this book was to encourage better data collection in the U.S.

00:06:40.000 So that is something that is interesting as well.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, that's another thing.

00:06:46.000 Another thing that she said was that when she submitted guidance to Trump and his advisors, it would come back redlined and she would take the same guidance that they had pulled out of her ask, you know, for recommendations, and she would just put it in the same guidance, but in a different place and try to obfuscate it.

00:07:08.000 And this is another thing that she seemed to be proud of.

00:07:11.000 In talking to Jim Jordan also, he asked her a rather interesting question.

00:07:16.000 He said, when the government was giving us information about vaccine efficacy and the possibility of transmission, were they lying or guessing?

00:07:25.000 And she said, in fact, that they were instead hoping that the guidance was correct.

00:07:31.000 It's just extraordinary.

00:07:33.000 And so, I mean, just guessing on some of the most consequential public health questions of our time.

00:07:39.000 And so you read the exact quotes here.

00:07:41.000 It's almost if you kind of want your Secret pass into upper, upper, the upper echelon of liberal society.

00:07:50.000 You basically have to say, like, yeah, you know, I undermine Trump.

00:07:53.000 I mean, it just, it's the only way she could be accepted in kind of these social circles.

00:07:58.000 So now we have a new variant, and we have this man who's dressed like a woman, cut 218.

00:08:05.000 I'm not going to pretend like this is normal and okay.

00:08:08.000 This is a mockery.

00:08:08.000 They're laughing at us.

00:08:09.000 It's a joke.

00:08:11.000 Play cut 218.

00:08:13.000 Still concerned with COVID-19.

00:08:15.000 The pandemic is not done yet.

00:08:17.000 And we're concerned, as you said, with the rise of the particularly the BA5 variant, which seems to be the most contagious variant yet.

00:08:26.000 And then cut 216 after that.

00:08:29.000 That if cases continue on the same trajectory, they will have an indoor mask mandate.

00:08:35.000 It looks likely that that will happen.

00:08:37.000 I assume that's something you support.

00:08:40.000 Should other states look at this?

00:08:42.000 Yeah, my view on this has been for really for two years.

00:08:45.000 Well, before I came into this kind of role, my view on this has been very clear, which is local jurisdictions, cities, counties, states should make decisions about mask mandates because communities are different and their patterns of transmission are different.

00:09:00.000 That said, CDC has very clear guidance on this as well through their COVID community levels.

00:09:05.000 And the CDC recommendation is that when you're in a high zone, that sort of orange zone, as LA County is, you know, people wearing masks indoors is really important and it really will make a difference.

00:09:17.000 It's funny.

00:09:17.000 Now they're all for decentralization, but do you think that there is a big midterm push coming for this new variant?

00:09:25.000 Oh, yeah, if they could lock us down before the midterms and get us all to mail in our ballots, I think they would be very happy.

00:09:32.000 I think it behooves Americans to think for themselves, as it always does, and not to be cowed by these people who declare themselves to be experts without actually using data pulled from the United States or from, you know, the states that need to make these determinations.

00:09:52.000 I also just personally think that a mask mandate, that the government ever telling you what you have to wear to cover your face, I don't think that's ever appropriate.

00:10:01.000 And I don't think that Americans should go back to being told what to do by these people.

00:10:08.000 It's just really absurd.

00:10:09.000 I won't do it.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, well, I'm not going to, we're not going to comply.

00:10:13.000 We are now in July of 2022, and it has been two years and several months since the 15 days to slow the spread.

00:10:23.000 And Dr. Zelenko, may he rest in peace.

00:10:25.000 He warned us not to fall for these tricks.

00:10:28.000 That was some of his dying words.

00:10:30.000 He said, do not fall for these tricks.

00:10:32.000 It's very important.

00:10:33.000 Libby Emmons from the postmillennial.

00:10:34.000 Libby, thank you so much.

00:10:36.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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00:11:30.000 What do you think about Trump 2024 when it comes to personnel?

00:11:36.000 Morton Blackwell from the Leadership Institute would always say that personnel is policy.

00:11:43.000 That the people you actually have in positions of power matters as much as the policy that you are trying to put forward.

00:11:51.000 That if you do not have good personnel, then your policy is not going to happen.

00:11:57.000 And boy, is that exemplified in people like Rex Tillerson or Amarosa or Fauci or Dr. Burks?

00:12:06.000 Now, part of it is that there was a behind-the-scenes, behind-the-back campaign and agenda that people thought that they could game Trump.

00:12:19.000 Now, I'm not going to say that it's a failure or a failing, but it was definitely the greatest impediment for Donald Trump's success in his first term was the personnel around him.

00:12:31.000 Unfortunately, a lot of these people were coached to just flatter him in the meeting and they give him a bunch of power and they'll eventually then stab him in the back.

00:12:42.000 I mean, it goes all the way up to the top levels of our government that we have seen one person after the other.

00:12:47.000 And it's worth looking at.

00:12:51.000 And I'd love your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:12:54.000 And yes, someone just emailed us, Charlie, it was maddening to see the lack of loyalty.

00:13:00.000 And so if there is a Trump second term, if there is a Trump chance to run again in 2024, of which I will support, and I know a lot of you will as well, and we'll encourage you to do that also, there needs to be an agenda and a clearinghouse for personnel.

00:13:21.000 Because imagine how much would have gotten done if we didn't have these sort of backstabbing snakes and serpents, Burks and Fauci being among them.

00:13:31.000 Now, it's frustrating because many of us on the outside that have been nothing but loyal to President Trump, you have to look at these deceitful and arrogant and prideful, double-minded people that were able to usurp and undermine the entire government.

00:13:54.000 It's a very, very important thing as we think about Trump in 2024.

00:13:59.000 And people say, oh, if Trump and DeSantis run, I said, look, I'm a loyal person.

00:14:03.000 President Trump has always been so good to me.

00:14:05.000 And I told him if he ran again, we'd have his back.

00:14:07.000 You would want nothing else from me.

00:14:08.000 You want me to be like a politician and say one thing and do another?

00:14:11.000 Absolutely not.

00:14:12.000 And I'd enthusiastically be behind him.

00:14:14.000 Now, some people say, oh, I'm going to be behind DeSantis.

00:14:17.000 All right, well, whatever.

00:14:18.000 We'll see if DeSantis runs against Trump.

00:14:20.000 We've asked that question multiple times here on this program.

00:14:22.000 They're both speaking at our event this weekend, brought to you by Turning Point Action.

00:14:26.000 We're going to have a straw poll to see kind of how that all shakes out, to see who wins.

00:14:31.000 And look, I think a deeper question is: how will Donald Trump satisfy the one concern that his base has?

00:14:44.000 And his base does not have a concern about his capacity.

00:14:47.000 They don't have a concern about his vision.

00:14:50.000 They don't have a concern about his integrity or his commitment to the nation.

00:14:56.000 No, the only concern, the only vulnerability that Donald Trump has going into 2024 is the personnel that were around him.

00:15:11.000 Cut 108, Jill Biden says schools are where policies become people.

00:15:16.000 You see, the left, they understand that personnel is policy and they look at schools as incubators to staff their government.

00:15:23.000 Play Cut 108.

00:15:25.000 The news on the TV telling you about people who want to stop you from doing your job and you put your shoulders back and you just go out and focus on your students.

00:15:43.000 There is so much weight on all of you, but you carry it.

00:15:51.000 Our schools are where policies become people.

00:15:58.000 Otherwise, said by Jill Biden.

00:16:00.000 I just loved how she got totally meme and she had to learn what a meme was this last week.

00:16:05.000 But she's not wrong.

00:16:06.000 The left knows that they can turn people into policies and vice versa through our government schools.

00:16:14.000 I love your thoughts.

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00:16:16.000 Personnel is the mountain that we must overcome going into 2024.

00:16:21.000 We cannot take our eyes off it.

00:16:23.000 We need the who and the biographies of the people going into our government.

00:16:28.000 There's so many good people out there.

00:16:30.000 And boy, that first term was so derailed and undermined by feckless snakes.

00:16:37.000 It's really out of control.

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00:19:12.000 So, I have to tell you, the people I really trust for political analysis, they'll all kind of turn around when you ask them about 2024 and they'll lean in and they'll say, What about Michelle Obama?

00:19:25.000 You see, Michelle Obama seems to be the X factor.

00:19:29.000 We're told she's the most popular person in America.

00:19:34.000 Before I welcome the film's mastermind, someone I've known for quite a while, and we had a phenomenal mutual friend, Tom Patrick, may he rest in peace.

00:19:42.000 I want to play Cut 214.

00:19:45.000 Welcome, Michelle Obama.

00:19:48.000 Michelle Obama is the most popular woman in America.

00:19:52.000 You know, I hate politics.

00:19:54.000 You can forget about the disclaimer.

00:19:56.000 I'm convinced that Michelle Obama is running for president in 2024.

00:20:02.000 Systemic racism, pepper spray, and rubber bullets on peaceful protesters.

00:20:07.000 She's following the exact same formula that Barack did to become president.

00:20:11.000 Michelle was the keynote speaker at the 2020 Democrat convention, just like Barack was in 2004.

00:20:17.000 Barack once ran a voter registration organization.

00:20:21.000 Now, so does Michelle.

00:20:22.000 That's how we change America.

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00:20:26.000 You guys can watch the movie Michelle Obama 2024 with us right now.

00:20:30.000 Is the man behind the film, Joel Gilbert.

00:20:32.000 Joel, good to see you again.

00:20:33.000 Great to be here.

00:20:34.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:20:35.000 So, Joel, I'll give you the floor and then I'm going to play some devil's advocate and we'll have some fun with it.

00:20:40.000 Why'd you make the film and why do you think Michelle is running in 2024?

00:20:44.000 Well, as you showed in the trailer just now, I think she's following the exact same formula that Barack did to become president.

00:20:51.000 Barack had this voter registration organization when he started in politics called Project Vote.

00:20:57.000 Michelle started When We All Vote, which she was here a few weeks ago in Los Angeles, gave a one-hour fiery speech hitting every Democrat talking point. 1.00

00:21:06.000 She was the keynote speaker at the 2020 Democrat Convention, just like Barack was in 2004 for John Kerry.

00:21:12.000 That's the slot that they give to the person they think will probably be the nominee at the next convention.

00:21:18.000 And of course, Barack wrote his book, Dreams from My Father, that he based his candidacy on his personal story.

00:21:25.000 And Michelle wrote Becoming, her memoir, in 2018.

00:21:29.000 She's still on a book tour for that.

00:21:31.000 So I think she's really following in his footsteps.

00:21:34.000 And as you mentioned, she is the most popular person on the planet. 0.85

00:21:37.000 And she's a very political person.

00:21:39.000 Her, you know, disclaimer that she's used for years is: you know, I hate politics, but all politicians hate politics.

00:21:47.000 They just love the power and they love the agenda that they can put forth.

00:21:52.000 So I became convinced that she's running.

00:21:54.000 And I made both a film, which as you said, is on salemnow.com, and a book version, which you can get on Amazon.com.

00:22:03.000 So I agree with all of that, but she says, look, you mentioned I hate politics and that I like living in Martha's Vineyard and everyone's so nasty.

00:22:11.000 And I'm going to do this in real time.

00:22:13.000 But didn't she have to take like a mental health break or something, Joel, that she had to take?

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 CNN, Michelle Obama opens up about mental health struggles during COVID pandemic, that she needs to calm down and she has tools to cope with depression.

00:22:29.000 What are your, I mean, she's a victim, right?

00:22:31.000 I mean, she's not going to run for president. 0.98

00:22:33.000 She's a celebrity.

00:22:35.000 Michelle, as I go into the film, in the book, I go into her whole life history that she's been in politics since she was six years old, hanging along with her father, who was a precinct captain for the Democrat Party machine in Chicago.

00:22:49.000 She is all politics all the time. 1.00

00:22:51.000 She went so over the top, people don't all remember, but in 2007, 208, she was so political every night giving these speeches to sold out, you know, huge crowds.

00:23:03.000 She went over the top.

00:23:04.000 She said, for the first time in my life, I'm proud of my country.

00:23:07.000 And that's when they had to reel her back in.

00:23:09.000 And they said, Look, Michelle, you hate politics and you just want to be the mom-in-chief. 1.00

00:23:15.000 And so they kind of made this new space for her to tone it down a little bit because she was so political. 1.00

00:23:22.000 So I think she's been emerging the last few years, like that appearance that you mentioned.

00:23:27.000 It's just her way of relating to people, of saying, Hey, I'm just like you and I have the same problems.

00:23:33.000 She's reaching out to the, you know, crowd of women and working mothers, that Hillary supporting crowd, the Oprah crowd.

00:23:41.000 She's constantly working them, both with her book and in her appearances.

00:23:47.000 Anyone, I just challenge everyone, look at her Twitter account and tell me she's not running for president.

00:23:52.000 So I want to play, well, here's what we do know almost for certain: that Joe Biden is not running.

00:23:57.000 Let's play cut 221.

00:24:00.000 How did he manage to get through the campaign?

00:24:02.000 Well, it turned out, we learned later, his staff, supervised by Dr. Jill, his wife, was giving him pills before every public appearance, checking the time and at a certain hour, giving him a dose of something.

00:24:15.000 Now, it's not a guess.

00:24:16.000 We're not making that up.

00:24:17.000 We've spoken directly to someone who was there and saw it happen multiple times.

00:24:22.000 Now, before taking the medication, this person said, Biden was, quote, like a small child.

00:24:27.000 You could not communicate with him.

00:24:29.000 He changed completely because he was on drugs and he clearly still is on drugs.

00:24:33.000 No one's pushing to know what those drugs are.

00:24:35.000 We should know.

00:24:36.000 And the media won't be bothered by that.

00:24:38.000 Is it fair to say, Joel, and I trust your judgment, Biden's not in the mix for 2024?

00:24:44.000 I don't think he's in the mix.

00:24:45.000 And anyone who is angry at Joe Biden or mad at Biden, you're just kind of playing into the hands of those that write his teleprompter.

00:24:54.000 Yes.

00:24:55.000 So I think clearly Michelle Obama has been lurking in the background, developing her audience.

00:25:03.000 And I think she'll probably reappear after the midterms next spring.

00:25:08.000 It's going to go something like this.

00:25:10.000 She's going to say, you know, I hate politics, but I love this nation and I love your children.

00:25:15.000 And people have asked me to run.

00:25:17.000 So I'm, you know, doing everybody a favor.

00:25:20.000 And she's going to be running for president. 1.00

00:25:22.000 And she'll have a huge advantage of all the media on her side and an appeal to nostalgia.

00:25:27.000 Remember how much you love the Obama years.

00:25:29.000 Remember how much, you know, how happy you were.

00:25:32.000 And that's what will be her basic appeal.

00:25:35.000 And then she'll pretty much, I think, they'll pursue the same policies as we're seeing with Joe Biden.

00:25:39.000 Hilariously, she's not wrong.

00:25:41.000 I actually was happier when Obama was president because the country was just not as destroyed.

00:25:47.000 Anyway, that's a separate issue, but not necessarily personally happy.

00:25:50.000 I just mean happier about where the country was.

00:25:52.000 So I want to ask you this. 0.99

00:25:55.000 Michelle Obama is a very nasty person, isn't she? 1.00

00:25:59.000 I mean, she makes Hillary Clinton look like, you could say Mother Teresa. 1.00

00:26:03.000 I mean, she's very bitter. 0.98

00:26:04.000 I'm told that she has hatred for white people. 0.97

00:26:06.000 Is that true? 0.83

00:26:08.000 No, that's not really true.

00:26:09.000 I mean, what we find out in my film, I went and spoke to, you know, her kindergarten classmates, elementary school teachers, three of her boyfriends growing up, her professor at Princeton.

00:26:25.000 I spoke to her mother.

00:26:26.000 So you really get a real picture of Michelle.

00:26:28.000 And the picture that emerges is someone who ran away from the black community every chance she got growing up for education.

00:26:36.000 And then when she had a professional career in Chicago, she was always hired by white elites, worked for Mayor Richard Daly, and she was the assistant planning commissioner for this scheme called Redevelopment, where they knocked down the projects like the Brini Green, made 20,000 blacks homeless, and gave the land away to Democrat donor developers like Tony Resco, who built these single-family homes and gave part of the money back to the politicians.

00:27:06.000 And then, having proven her callousness, she was hired by the University of Chicago Medical Center to head up something called the Southside Health Collaborative. 0.84

00:27:15.000 They were losing too much money because the same Southside black folks were coming to the emergency room and getting medical care for free. 0.99

00:27:23.000 They didn't have proper insurance.

00:27:25.000 And so Michelle headed up the scheme to make sure they didn't come to the hospital. 0.97

00:27:30.000 She'd actually put them in these vans and dump them in these crappy neighborhood clinics. 1.00

00:27:35.000 So Michelle has had a lifelong aspiration to whiteness. 0.99

00:27:38.000 She really doesn't have any black friends.

00:27:41.000 She always ran away from the black community every chance she got.

00:27:45.000 So she doesn't really hate white people, anything like that. 0.92

00:27:50.000 She exploited the black community growing up and in her professional career. 0.79

00:27:54.000 And then to add insult to injury, as you see in my film, she pretends to be one of these ordinary black people that she spent her life selling out, would be a better characterization. 0.83

00:28:04.000 No, Stan corrected.

00:28:05.000 That's so interesting.

00:28:05.000 And the reason I'm asking is I really haven't done a lot of scholarship on Michelle Obama.

00:28:09.000 And there's just a lot of rumors.

00:28:11.000 I mean, and speaking of which, we'll get to one that you wrote an op-ed on that I find to be appropriately provocative.

00:28:18.000 And so, yeah, it's just interesting. 0.98

00:28:21.000 People say, yeah, she hates white people. 1.00

00:28:22.000 I was like, I don't really think that deeply about Michelle Obama, actually. 0.97

00:28:26.000 But it's actually what you're, it would actually be better politically if she hated white people, because that's kind of like cool and in vogue. 1.00

00:28:31.000 What you're telling me is she loves white people and has disdain for black people. 0.97

00:28:35.000 Is that right? 0.95

00:28:36.000 Yeah, she, I have it on tape.

00:28:38.000 You can watch it in the film on salemnow.com.

00:28:40.000 You can live stream it or get the DVD.

00:28:42.000 She actually says, you know, openly at many of these becoming tour events, she spilled the beans.

00:28:49.000 She said that she was afraid to go out of her house. 0.98

00:28:51.000 She's afraid of getting beat up by black kids. 0.97

00:28:54.000 In her book, she writes about this girl named Dee Dee, who she had a fistfight with because she accused her of acting white. 0.99

00:29:01.000 Actually, the term was Oreo, meaning black on the outside and white on the inside.

00:29:06.000 So she was always accused of being a white girl growing up in South Shore, which is not even on the South side, by the way.

00:29:15.000 And so this is the real story: she always ran away from the black community and exploited them once she got these professional jobs working on behalf of the white establishment. 0.77

00:29:28.000 So fascinating.

00:29:29.000 Okay, I want to just, I'm going to read from your article and you could take us through it.

00:29:34.000 Michelle Obama's changing sexual identity.

00:29:36.000 What is going on here?

00:29:39.000 Okay, well, I wrote this article because I came across, believe it or not, her voter registration form in Chicago showed that she registered to vote as a male in 1994.

00:29:51.000 And then in 2008, she changed the sex from male to female.

00:29:57.000 Now, obviously, this was a clerical error.

00:29:59.000 I point that out because I do get asked a lot.

00:30:03.000 People say, well, is Michelle a dude?

00:30:05.000 And I say, no, she's not a dude.

00:30:07.000 It was just a silly internet rumor that started when Joan Rivers answered an innocent question. 0.98

00:30:15.000 Someone said years ago, will we have a gay president? 0.97

00:30:18.000 She said, well, we already have one, and Michelle is transgender. 1.00

00:30:22.000 Now, she's a comedian. 0.99

00:30:23.000 It was obviously a joke, but it spurred a lot of internet memes and kind of mean-spirited stuff, I think, because of Michelle's America bashing politics. 1.00

00:30:33.000 So when I came across her voter registration, I had to write an article showing that she accidentally, I'm sure, had circled the M for male and then corrected it later.

00:30:46.000 Accidentally, I agree.

00:30:48.000 So everyone can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:51.000 They could check out salemnow.com.

00:30:53.000 That's salemnow.com, Michelle Obama 2024.

00:30:57.000 You guys can watch the movie on demand or buy the DVD on Salem Now.

00:31:00.000 So, Joel, after the break, I want to ask you about how formidable would Michelle Obama be?

00:31:06.000 This is something that I think has yet to be determined because, again, I'm not, you're kind of the Michelle Obama resident scholar here, which congratulations, kind of carved out a niche for yourself, which probably is going to be a gold mine.

00:31:19.000 I mean, what's her temperament like? 0.82

00:31:21.000 What is she going to be like?

00:31:22.000 Don't answer yet.

00:31:23.000 Well, on the stump, I mean, running for office is a very, it's a very real thing.

00:31:28.000 Let's say she runs and let's say she gets the nomination, which based on what you're telling me seems to be an inevitability.

00:31:35.000 If she does run, I find that hard to disagree with.

00:31:38.000 Gavin Newsom would give a run for the money, but he's not Michelle Obama.

00:31:42.000 How would she do in a general?

00:31:44.000 I mean, she caters definitely to a specific slitter of the population, but I can't imagine her support goes beyond kind of like Oprah watching soccer moms and the base of the Democrat Party.

00:31:55.000 Am I wrong?

00:31:57.000 I think her popularity does transcend a lot of the norms that you might think about.

00:32:03.000 You can stop anyone under the age of 25, and they'll say something positive about Michelle Obama.

00:32:09.000 They're pretty much unaware of her political activism.

00:32:13.000 They've seen her on magazine covers.

00:32:15.000 They've seen her on, you know, online.

00:32:19.000 So they're unaware of her politics.

00:32:21.000 Now, once she comes across and presents these policies, I think she will be vulnerable to criticism.

00:32:29.000 But the Republicans are going to be afraid because anyone who criticizes her will be called a racist, sexist, or hater.

00:32:38.000 So she's going to be tough.

00:32:40.000 Now, she actually is vulnerable for anyone that would make her, for example, if a Republican candidate would demand that she apologize for how she treated the black community in Chicago when she worked for the mayor's office or when she worked for the University of Chicago Medical Center.

00:32:56.000 That would open a whole can of worms. 0.92

00:32:59.000 Michelle does not handle criticism well. 0.97

00:33:02.000 She's not good at being confronted with any issues.

00:33:07.000 So she is vulnerable.

00:33:08.000 And I think when you see the film, you'll understand how vulnerable she really is if somebody would take her on, but that's not a given.

00:33:15.000 So it's fair to say that she gets flustered under pressure.

00:33:19.000 Absolutely.

00:33:20.000 Now, I'm sure she's been working on this.

00:33:23.000 And don't forget she'll have the media completely behind her. 1.00

00:33:26.000 It's going to be tough to put her in any situation, even debates.

00:33:30.000 You have 60 seconds to say something.

00:33:34.000 It's going to be tough.

00:33:35.000 And Michelle would be a very formidable candidate for the Republicans to have to take on. 1.00

00:33:41.000 Not a little of which is because of their fear of being attacked or criticizing her, which is part of the reason I think she's such a good candidate for the Democrats.

00:33:54.000 So in closing here, Joel, then what would the roadmap be if you're right?

00:33:59.000 And we don't know, but I mean, you've made a whole movie about it.

00:34:02.000 It's super interesting.

00:34:02.000 Everyone should see the movie regardless because this is someone who's going to be in politics.

00:34:06.000 I think she might run in 28 or 32, but she's not going away.

00:34:09.000 She's too popular. 0.99

00:34:10.000 The forces to be will pressure her and be like, look, you don't have to do anything.

00:34:13.000 Just be president.

00:34:14.000 We'll do all the work because you can get the right boxes checked.

00:34:18.000 What are we to do to prevent what seems to be the ascending star that could potentially run a basement campaign and actually get away with it?

00:34:28.000 Yeah, I think, look, I think this is why I came out with this movie and book well in advance of when I think she's going to announce, which would be next year.

00:34:36.000 I think if people watch the film, you'll see and understand that Michelle's entire life story that she told, and she still tells to this day, is not true, that she's from a political family.

00:34:48.000 She doesn't have any black friends.

00:34:50.000 She always throughout her life ran away from the black community as far as she could. 0.72

00:34:55.000 To this day, she lives in Martha's Vineyard of all places.

00:34:59.000 And just understanding her background is not what she presented.

00:35:04.000 Her life story is just as fictitious as Barack, and she's going to run a racially divisive campaign because she struggles with her. 0.97

00:35:13.000 It's called black authenticity.

00:35:14.000 She struggles with...

00:35:15.000 I meant to ask, how's their marriage?

00:35:17.000 How's their marriage?

00:35:18.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 I don't have any information on their marriage.

00:35:22.000 I only know that they're both very political people.

00:35:25.000 They're two sides of the same coin, and they both seek power for different reasons.

00:35:31.000 For Michelle, I reveal some very deep psychological issues she has that are driving her to run for the presidency.

00:35:38.000 And that's why I'm convinced she's running.

00:35:40.000 No, it's always seemed like a Hillary and Bill Clinton thing.

00:35:42.000 It just seemed like a marriage of convenience.

00:35:45.000 And that's me just looking as a spectator.

00:35:49.000 I don't sense, let's say, organic chemistry between the two.

00:35:53.000 Joel Gilbert, check out SalemNow.com, Michelle Obama 2024.

00:35:57.000 That is SalemNow.com.

00:36:00.000 Joel, you did a great thing here.

00:36:01.000 And if she ends up winning, you will have the reference point that got us educated very early and some good opposition research.

00:36:08.000 So thank you so much, Joel.

00:36:09.000 Great work.

00:36:09.000 Thank you.

00:36:10.000 Thanks.

00:36:11.000 SalemNow.com.

00:36:15.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:16.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:19.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:20.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 19, 2022

Michelle Obama 2024?

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