The Charlie Kirk Show - Mike Johnson's Integrity Problem

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00:00:00.000 A full conversation with Congressman Eli Crane.

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00:01:36.000 Okay, I'm really excited for this hour, everybody.

00:01:38.000 It's a great American patriot.

00:01:39.000 I'm behind him 100%.

00:01:40.000 It's Congressman Eli Crane.

00:01:42.000 And Congressman Crane is a great guy.

00:01:44.000 He also has a primary challenger.

00:01:46.000 We're just going to dive right into it by the name of Jack Smith.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 So he's indicting Donald Trump in federal court and he's running against you at night.

00:01:54.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, I don't know how he's pulling it off.

00:01:57.000 You should just say he's the same person.

00:01:59.000 You should say that I am running against Jack Smith.

00:02:01.000 Yeah.

00:02:02.000 No, I mean.

00:02:03.000 His name is Jack Smith.

00:02:04.000 His name is Jack Smith.

00:02:05.000 So you're not making anything up.

00:02:06.000 Unfortunately, you know, it's not the same.

00:02:08.000 But they're going after Eli in a primary with precious resources because he is awesome and based and he's terrific.

00:02:14.000 I'm going to go up and help any way I can, which actually makes me happy because I don't have to leave the state.

00:02:18.000 I love Arizona.

00:02:19.000 It's a best place on the planet.

00:02:21.000 So, Eli, there's so much to talk about.

00:02:23.000 I want to kind of just rewind the clock and we have all hour, so don't feel rushed.

00:02:27.000 Let's kind of start with how things started to unravel with the Johnson speakership.

00:02:33.000 So let's just go all the way back in time from the motion to vacate.

00:02:39.000 Kevin's no longer there.

00:02:40.000 Vote Carousel, Johnson's the consensus.

00:02:43.000 Let's start there.

00:02:44.000 Yeah.

00:02:45.000 Well, the first thing he did, Charlie, I actually really liked, and a lot of people really liked too.

00:02:50.000 It was the Israel Supplemental, but it was paid for.

00:02:55.000 He took the money from the IRS.

00:02:57.000 And I think the base loved that.

00:03:00.000 I know I loved it.

00:03:01.000 I actually voted for it.

00:03:02.000 And so right now, many of us who didn't vote for Israel's in this last foreign aid bill are getting hammered right now from the pro-Israel community saying, oh, we don't support Israel.

00:03:15.000 And that's not the case.

00:03:16.000 We support Israel.

00:03:17.000 But if we're going to be solid on fiscal conservative policies, offsets.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, offsets, pay-fors, right?

00:03:26.000 And what that means to the American people is that everything that came out of this last foreign aid bill last week up on the hill, none of it was paid for.

00:03:35.000 It's more debt on top of everything else that they shackle the American people with on an annual basis. 0.72

00:03:42.000 So the first thing you liked, I agree.

00:03:45.000 So we're kind of in the fall here, and immediately, you know, Speaker Johnson does his best punting, you know, where he says, okay, we're just going to kind of give me some time, give me some time.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:58.000 And what in my, this is where I actually went really hard after Johnson.

00:04:01.000 I was an early critic, then I backed off and now I'm back as a critic.

00:04:05.000 I kind of kind of gone through a, let's just say a journey there.

00:04:09.000 I was very upset because we had the table set for a spending fight in the fall and we never got that.

00:04:17.000 No, we didn't.

00:04:18.000 And unfortunately, and Charlie, I'm not going to tell you anything that I haven't told the speaker personally.

00:04:23.000 So, you know, last just last week, in a phone call and in a meeting with 10 or 15 other people, I told the speaker that he has an integrity problem because he told the American people in our conference for several months that the border was the hill to die on.

00:04:42.000 And clearly that didn't happen with the last piece of leverage that we had, which was Ukrainian funding and this supplemental, this supplemental bill that the Senate and Joe Biden wanted more than seemingly life itself.

00:04:57.000 And so I told him that.

00:04:58.000 And I also told him that the base and our voters are screaming and they're begging for someone to fight for them and you're not getting it done.

00:05:05.000 And so, you know, he knows he knows where I'm at.

00:05:10.000 He knows where a lot of people are at.

00:05:11.000 But unfortunately, Charlie, the speaker continually surrounds himself with other members of Congress and quite frankly, a bunch of staffers that continually tell him why he can't fight, why the time isn't now.

00:05:25.000 We have to wait till we get, you know, the Senate back, the presidency back.

00:05:28.000 And it's just, it's, it's GOP 101 failure theater.

00:05:33.000 That's what it is.

00:05:34.000 And it doesn't matter.

00:05:35.000 I've seen every, I've seen every argument employed on the, on the new speaker and nothing seems to break through.

00:05:42.000 So you say he has an integrity problem.

00:05:45.000 Yeah.

00:05:46.000 It's like just well, you know, you've seen it.

00:05:49.000 You've seen it.

00:05:50.000 The American people have seen it.

00:05:51.000 Of course, I am.

00:05:51.000 You can only tell the American people so many times, hey, this is the hill we're going to die on.

00:05:55.000 This is the hill we're going to die on.

00:05:57.000 Or we're not giving any Ukrainian funding until we take care of our border and then do none of it.

00:06:02.000 So we have the public tape of him saying that.

00:06:05.000 Privately, were you guys also strung along on those assurances?

00:06:09.000 Yeah.

00:06:10.000 And it wasn't, unfortunately, it wasn't just that.

00:06:13.000 There were other assurances that, you know, we weren't going to do another CR.

00:06:17.000 And then, you know, we did more CRs.

00:06:20.000 And so I hate to say it, Charlie, but there was a time where voters used to ask me because I was part of the eight that ousted McCarthy.

00:06:27.000 They would say, okay, so what have we got in return?

00:06:30.000 And I used to be able to say, well, at least this speaker doesn't, you know, lie or misrepresent to us.

00:06:36.000 And I can't really say that anymore.

00:06:38.000 The only thing I think I can say, Charlie, as far as a benefit to the country is the precedent has now been set, at least, that if you become speaker in January, that doesn't give you a free ride for the next two years to do whatever the hell you want.

00:06:52.000 And so, you know, any speaker that now gets that gavel is on notice that if you, you know, especially at least with this group, if you make enough promises and then you don't fulfill them, if you continually sell out the American people and the timing's right, there's a good chance that there will be an effort to remove you.

00:07:13.000 Let's play cut 100.

00:07:14.000 This is a minute long of Speaker Johnson lying about Ukraine and the border.

00:07:19.000 Let's play Cut 100.

00:07:21.000 Telling all of you, and we've told the American people, border, border, border.

00:07:25.000 We have to effect real policy change at the border, and that is a necessary condition to anything we do going forward.

00:07:32.000 We have to take care of our border first. 0.62

00:07:34.000 That's what the American people demand.

00:07:36.000 Every state in America is now a border state.

00:07:38.000 Border, border, border.

00:07:40.000 How can we be engaged in securing the border of foreign countries if we can't secure our own? 0.97

00:07:45.000 We know the urgency in Ukraine.

00:07:47.000 We're going to stand for freedom and make sure that Vladimir Putin doesn't march through Europe.

00:07:50.000 It's pastime to secure the border.

00:07:53.000 Listen, this is a catastrophe down here.

00:07:55.000 The battle is for the border.

00:07:57.000 President Biden wants a supplemental spending bill.

00:07:59.000 It better begin by defending America's national security.

00:08:03.000 These are dangerous people who are coming to the country. 1.00

00:08:05.000 Over 300 known terrorists. 1.00

00:08:07.000 How can we be engaged in securing the border of foreign countries if we can't secure our own shit? 0.99

00:08:15.000 So what is your reaction to that? 0.99

00:08:18.000 I mean, it's basically what I just got done saying, man.

00:08:22.000 We have an integrity problem.

00:08:24.000 That's a problem.

00:08:25.000 You know, that's a problem as a leader, third in line to be president.

00:08:32.000 When the American people gave us the House, just begging that we would do something with it.

00:08:37.000 It's a problem.

00:08:39.000 I think as a man of integrity, as a man with faith to tell the American people that on loop for months and then not deliver on any of that, that's a problem.

00:08:53.000 And the American people, we're at a point now where it's not like there's three networks that people can, you know, watch anymore.

00:09:01.000 There's so many other outlets that are showing, you know, the receipts like that.

00:09:05.000 And so people are onto it.

00:09:07.000 And it's going to, I think it's going to be a problem.

00:09:10.000 What do you think changed with him?

00:09:13.000 I think, personally, I think the thing that got Speaker Johnson elected in a very divisive Congress with a very slim majority was the fact that he's such a nice guy.

00:09:25.000 And he really is, Charlie.

00:09:26.000 Like he's like one of the nicest guys that I've ever met.

00:09:30.000 Like I almost wish he was my neighbor.

00:09:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:32.000 But so he hadn't pissed anybody off.

00:09:36.000 And so that's how he was able to get so many votes.

00:09:39.000 But the downside is that he doesn't have the, in my opinion, he doesn't have the courage to do the right thing.

00:09:47.000 Do you say that originally he was telling the truth and now he's not?

00:09:54.000 Just was there just enough staffers got in his ear?

00:09:57.000 Do you think he enjoys being speaker?

00:10:00.000 Honestly, I don't know if he enjoys being speaker or not.

00:10:03.000 I've never had that conversation with him.

00:10:05.000 But this is why I think the last time I was on your show and I talked about why I even ran for office, Charlie.

00:10:13.000 It's not because I think I'm some intellectual or some congressional scholar or anything like that.

00:10:19.000 I just recognize there's a lack of moral courage up in Washington, D.C.

00:10:23.000 And I think a lot of the issues that we're facing, you know, though they have some complexities to them, they are pretty simplistic.

00:10:29.000 And so I just think that I think he lacks the courage to do the right thing.

00:10:35.000 And I think he, you know, you will know a tree by the fruit it bears.

00:10:39.000 And I think he's surrounding himself with all the wrong people.

00:10:41.000 I want to get deeper into that and also just talk about the series of disappointments from FISA to Ukraine and the path forward.

00:10:51.000 Because that is a question people have is they say, what's the point?

00:10:54.000 By the way, what's your fundraising website?

00:10:56.000 Your campaign.

00:10:56.000 We can talk about that, right?

00:10:57.000 Yeah.

00:10:58.000 EliForArizona.com.

00:10:59.000 It's FOR.

00:11:02.000 F-O-R. 1.00

00:11:02.000 Okay. 1.00

00:11:03.000 Eli for Arizona.

00:11:04.000 Yes, sir.

00:11:04.000 Okay.

00:11:04.000 Let's get that on the bottom to help out Eli.

00:11:07.000 So the one that bothered me the most, and I'll just kind of reiterate, the audience knows this.

00:11:12.000 I was super spicy towards Johnson in the fall.

00:11:15.000 New Year, he reached out repeatedly.

00:11:17.000 I heard.

00:11:18.000 I heard.

00:11:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:19.000 I listened.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, I was like 10 out of 10, right?

00:11:21.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 And then he reached out repeatedly.

00:11:23.000 And you're right.

00:11:23.000 He's very sweet, like great table manners, like incredibly.

00:11:27.000 I almost brought you a therapy dog or a punching.

00:11:29.000 Oh, I needed an outside.

00:11:30.000 I was so upset.

00:11:32.000 Really fired up.

00:11:33.000 Because I'll tell you why I was fired up is because I knew what was happening is that there was no spending fight in the fall.

00:11:37.000 And they said, oh, we're going to do this in January.

00:11:38.000 I said, no, you're not.

00:11:39.000 You come back in January and then they punt till March.

00:11:42.000 And then they say it's an election year.

00:11:43.000 We can't do anything and we get nothing done.

00:11:44.000 So I've seen this play for 11 years.

00:11:47.000 I've been doing this.

00:11:48.000 And I just kind of lost my temper.

00:11:50.000 So then Mike Johnson reached out repeatedly, talked to him for like 45 minutes, and I was like, okay, fine.

00:11:56.000 I'm going to just grant you some grace.

00:11:58.000 Like, maybe all this, I'll chalk it up to just kind of being a news speaker.

00:12:01.000 Right.

00:12:01.000 I'm going to give you some space.

00:12:03.000 Laid off of them until a FISA vote.

00:12:06.000 And we were communicating by text and all that.

00:12:08.000 We still are, but I'm not in a good spot, honestly, with him.

00:12:12.000 And it's like, walk us through the FISA vote.

00:12:15.000 Like, what is this?

00:12:17.000 Honestly, it's one of my number one issues.

00:12:18.000 Yeah.

00:12:19.000 Because it's the U.S. Constitution.

00:12:20.000 Like, we don't get to choose whether we like it or not.

00:12:22.000 You have to live under the law of the land.

00:12:26.000 I mean, it's to me, it's pretty simplistic, Charlie.

00:12:29.000 It's like, obviously, we have Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

00:12:37.000 Right.

00:12:37.000 And nobody made the argument on our end of this that FISA isn't often used to protect us from people that want to do harm to us.

00:12:47.000 Our argument was that you need to insert some language into FISA that protects American citizens when their content, when they are wrapped up in, you know, when these tools are being employed against foreigners overseas, to where if our intel agencies, DOJ, et cetera, want to, you know, search and take a look at, you know, your content, they have to get a warrant to do it,

00:13:16.000 just as if they would if they're searching your home or your car or anything else.

00:13:21.000 And the argument, Charlie, Charlie, from the other side of the aisle is, oh, well, it's going to make it way too hard for these guys to do their job.

00:13:29.000 You're going to stop, you know, you're going to stop our intel agencies from protecting the American people.

00:13:34.000 And though they couldn't give us one instance where they were able to use these tools and they wouldn't have been able to get a warrant or it would have taken too long.

00:13:43.000 And at the end of the day, you know, we need an overhaul of this system because do you have, just like guys like Tucker Carlson and others, obviously you've got a big bullseye on your back, Charlie.

00:13:55.000 Do you have faith right now and confidence that they're not reading your stuff?

00:14:00.000 Yeah, they're reading everything except for a couple apps.

00:14:02.000 I think they don't yet have back-end access to.

00:14:04.000 Right.

00:14:04.000 And so for a guy like they might have already figured that out.

00:14:08.000 For a guy like me, you know, I believe I'm a target as well.

00:14:12.000 Yes.

00:14:13.000 And they spy on lawmakers all the time.

00:14:15.000 I know.

00:14:15.000 And so it's like, and there were hundreds of thousands of instances where, you know, the FBI alone, you know, was admitted to spying on American citizens.

00:14:26.000 And they brag about that, though that was down from a million, you know, a couple years before.

00:14:31.000 And it's just, it's unbelievable that we have Republicans that won't stand up to this.

00:14:36.000 And we have, we know of, according to the Inspector General report, 278,000 violations of the FISA statute in one calendar year that we know of.

00:14:44.000 It's probably even greater than that because that, you know, they cover it up and they lie about it.

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00:15:54.000 So Eli, with the FISA vote looming, Johnson's background is a constitutional lawyer with the Alliance Defending Freedom.

00:16:00.000 He was on judiciary, right?

00:16:03.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 He talks a great game with the Constitution.

00:16:05.000 He previously was a FISA skeptic and was against all this FBI power and DOJ.

00:16:11.000 He got a couple, what I call woo-woo shows, where they kind of do a bunch of woo-woo and they bring in these Intel chiefs in a skiff with no phone, no staff, and kind of a song and dance.

00:16:22.000 And all of a sudden he's like, Mr. Intel Agency.

00:16:24.000 So what can you explain to me?

00:16:27.000 Because Thomas Massey came on the program and effectively called Speaker Johnson a liar on all this.

00:16:33.000 What are we missing?

00:16:34.000 So this is what they do every single time we try and make any big moves up in Washington, D.C. You know, I've seen it on FISA.

00:16:41.000 I've seen it with the speaker battle we had in January.

00:16:44.000 And keep in mind, I'm obviously only a freshman, but anytime you try and make big moves in Washington, D.C., they've always got this boogeyman in the back room that they bring out to try and scare you from doing anything.

00:16:55.000 And in this case, they'll take members of Congress down to the SCIF and they'll share with them classified stories of how FISA was used to protect Americans in this specific case, right?

00:17:07.000 And that's what they do.

00:17:08.000 And then they pull you aside.

00:17:11.000 And clearly, I wasn't there for this meeting, but I know enough about the place to summarize and basically be like, well, Speaker, if you make any changes to FISA and there are attacks on U.S. soil and there's a loss of American life, basically the blood's going to be on your hands.

00:17:30.000 Emotional blackmail?

00:17:31.000 That's the way I see it.

00:17:32.000 Yeah.

00:17:32.000 And I think that's the way that a lot of these organizations and institutions control members of Congress and, quite frankly, leadership.

00:17:43.000 Did you go down to the SCIF and yeah, I did.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, because I mean, I want to interrupt because Mike Johnson said none of the members went down to the SCIF that are against FISA.

00:17:49.000 Like, where does he come up with that?

00:17:51.000 Well, I can't speak to what he said or what times he was talking about, but I've been down there multiple times to listen to, okay, what are they talking about?

00:18:03.000 The Intel Chiefs.

00:18:04.000 Yeah.

00:18:05.000 Yeah.

00:18:05.000 And it's always this.

00:18:07.000 It's always the same.

00:18:08.000 I'm moved by their path.

00:18:09.000 No, I'm not.

00:18:10.000 And I walk in there.

00:18:11.000 Because you're an actual veteran of our military.

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 Not only that, Charlie, but because I've worked with military intelligence before, you know, I remember one time we were in Iraq and our Intel guys sent us out on a 18-hour mission.

00:18:30.000 You're a Navy SEAL, just so we're clear.

00:18:32.000 Right.

00:18:32.000 Recreme de la Creme.

00:18:34.000 And we were going around looking for weapons caches on the Syrian-Iraqi border, and all we found for 18 hours, Charlie, was trash piles.

00:18:42.000 Right.

00:18:43.000 And so I'm not saying that there's never any good.

00:18:45.000 I mean, there's faulty intelligence at times.

00:18:46.000 No, of course.

00:18:47.000 And there's take it as dogma.

00:18:49.000 There's good Intel guys.

00:18:50.000 I guarantee that listening to your show that do a great job.

00:18:53.000 All I'm saying is, is that, you know, it's like, at what point do we become so skeptical of these Intel agencies, the FBI, et cetera, to where we try and put some checks in place to make sure they're not becoming weaponized against the American people?

00:19:06.000 Which they have.

00:19:08.000 Of course, I'm still a skeptic of why FISA exists in the first place.

00:19:11.000 People say, but Charlie, people will die.

00:19:13.000 Look, I don't even want to acknowledge, I don't want to admit that, but I will say, okay, let's take all the guns away then.

00:19:19.000 You have freedom.

00:19:20.000 It comes with a cost.

00:19:21.000 Yeah.

00:19:21.000 Right.

00:19:22.000 If you have freedom, privacy protections are necessary for a free society.

00:19:25.000 I know it's a radical position.

00:19:27.000 I want someone to prove why FISA exists in the first place.

00:19:29.000 It was a 1978 relic of the J. Edgar Hoover era of the FBI.

00:19:34.000 Okay, let's say it's necessary, it saves all these lives.

00:19:36.000 Then explain to me, let's just take that as a given.

00:19:39.000 Speaker Johnson comes down and speakers rarely vote.

00:19:43.000 Right.

00:19:44.000 But he decided to vote in the tally as the tiebreaker to say that you do not need a warrant to spy on Americans.

00:19:53.000 What is that all about?

00:19:56.000 Did he justify that to any members?

00:19:59.000 Yeah, I think he could have been a hero.

00:20:02.000 We could have got the warrant requirement, which would have been a major win for the movement.

00:20:05.000 No, it would have been a huge win for the movement and the American people.

00:20:09.000 I think that the excuses and the reasoning that I heard was if we do this, and obviously you've got Director Ray at the same time saying, hey, there's more threats on U.S. soil than we've ever had, which I actually believe because of our wide open southern border.

00:20:26.000 I think it's intentional.

00:20:26.000 I think they keep the border rubber so they could spy on us.

00:20:28.000 But that being said, that being said, you still don't sacrifice our constitutional rights for operational efficiency.

00:20:36.000 100%.

00:20:36.000 Yes.

00:20:37.000 I mean, we could have a camera in everyone's living room.

00:20:40.000 Like we could.

00:20:41.000 We could have like drones of everyone's home.

00:20:43.000 We could allow law enforcement officers just to come in your home without getting anyone because it would make their investigations easier, right?

00:20:49.000 Totally.

00:20:50.000 But we don't because our system is set up for individual rights and to be focused on protecting the individuals.

00:20:58.000 Yes, you cannot be free if the government sees everything you do.

00:21:01.000 100%.

00:21:02.000 You cannot have liberty without privacy.

00:21:04.000 And that was the breakthrough of the founders: is that the European countries do not have a Fourth Amendment like we do.

00:21:09.000 And they were so grounded in classical wisdom, they said, wait a second, we need to make sure that not just can you say what you want to say and protect your stuff with firearms and against the government, but also make sure that they can't come into your home and get your private effects or journals.

00:21:24.000 So he comes down and he's the tie-breaking vote.

00:21:26.000 Can you just inform our audience, it's very rare for speakers to vote.

00:21:29.000 Yeah.

00:21:29.000 So that was a statement vote.

00:21:31.000 I believe it was.

00:21:32.000 And I think it was a statement vote to show the Intel agencies and even our conference that where Mike stood on this issue, which again was surprising because he sat on judiciary for so many years next to a congressman that is near and dear to much of Arizona, Andy Biggs.

00:21:53.000 And that's the best.

00:21:54.000 And when you see that many whistleblowers come through Congress talking about just some of the abuses that are going on in our federal agencies and then don't protect American people's constitutional rights when it's right in front of you and you are the key leader, you're a swing vote.

00:22:18.000 That's awful, man.

00:22:19.000 It's just, I mean, I can't, I can't.

00:22:21.000 So that's what fired me up, right?

00:22:22.000 That's what all of a sudden, like, the beast was reawakened, right?

00:22:25.000 Like a kind of ceasefire was ended.

00:22:27.000 Right.

00:22:28.000 And so then I was like, okay, you better not screw up this Ukraine thing.

00:22:33.000 Like, I was like, okay, you really have insulted the base and the FISA thing.

00:22:37.000 It could have been that Johnson just could have decided not to vote on the warrant requirement, which means it would have passed.

00:22:42.000 Right.

00:22:42.000 And it just so happens that, you know, a certain member had the flu here from Arizona.

00:22:47.000 It's like, oh my goodness, if she could have just been in D.C., we actually might have gotten a warrant requirement, but the FBI got what they wanted and they can spy on us relentlessly and nothing changed it.

00:22:56.000 I can't remember, Charlie, but I think on that one, and we'd have to go back and look.

00:23:00.000 I think there were two members, one from Guam, and maybe I can't remember the other place that voted that if it would, you know, if it would have gone the wrong way, would have had, we would have had to go back and revote.

00:23:13.000 Do the Guam votes bind or are they just show votes?

00:23:16.000 Yeah, I don't think that I don't think that they're binding.

00:23:19.000 They're just show votes.

00:23:20.000 Some other member told me that.

00:23:22.000 I think it was the FISA vote, but we'd have to go back and look.

00:23:25.000 So then the weekend after FISA, it was the big Ukraine parade.

00:23:32.000 Every single television show.

00:23:34.000 If we don't send money immediately to Ukraine, end of Western democracy.

00:23:39.000 What then happened?

00:23:40.000 Walk us through that week because it was like a Saturday to Saturday.

00:23:43.000 They kept you in session.

00:23:46.000 And despite all the assurances, Mike Johnson then went and nuzzled up with Democrats.

00:23:52.000 But he also went down to, he went next to Donald Trump in the midst of all that.

00:23:56.000 Do you think that might have weakened the resistance against Johnson, the fact that Johnson and Trump did a press conference together?

00:24:02.000 I think it did a little bit.

00:24:03.000 I think it showed solidarity with the president.

00:24:07.000 Obviously, the president has been the leader of this movement for a long time.

00:24:10.000 And so even his messaging this week against motion to vacate, I think that, you know, I think that shows where the president's at on Mike Johnson.

00:24:22.000 And that's his right.

00:24:23.000 He can, you know, sure.

00:24:24.000 He's earned the right to.

00:24:26.000 He also wants legislative allies and he's trying to build.

00:24:28.000 For sure.

00:24:29.000 I get it.

00:24:29.000 I don't agree with it.

00:24:30.000 But maybe if I was facing 700 years in federal prison, I'd be making similar decisions, right?

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:36.000 I think the president just doesn't want any more chaos when they're trying to put him in jail for 700.

00:24:41.000 Doesn't want to serious.

00:24:42.000 So then can you explain then Johnson realizes he's got a conference problem.

00:24:48.000 He has to go to Democrats for rules.

00:24:52.000 Walk through the unprecedented nature of what Johnson did to make sure that Zelensky got his money.

00:24:56.000 Well, I think you saw in the last Ukraine vote, I think the majority of the Republican Party, I believe, voted against Ukraine the last time that we voted on it.

00:25:07.000 And so I think he knew he was going to have a problem.

00:25:11.000 And I don't know about you, but I fully expected capitulation on this.

00:25:17.000 I've just seen the signals the entire time.

00:25:19.000 So I did.

00:25:19.000 I thought we'd maybe get, I'll tell you what I thought we were going to get.

00:25:22.000 Okay.

00:25:23.000 And I've, again, I've seen him surround himself with the members.

00:25:28.000 Like Mike McCall, Tom Cole.

00:25:30.000 Yeah, the way it kind of works is he'll bring in like, you know, 15 members of the House Freedom Caucus or adjacent members, and we'll talk to him about our concerns on FISA or Supplemental.

00:25:40.000 And then the next group that comes in will be your, you know, more your Warhawks appropriator types.

00:25:45.000 And they'll tell him about it.

00:25:46.000 Dan Crenshaw, Mike McCall, Tom Cole.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, so, you know, I've just seen, you know, history is always a good tell of where somebody's going to go in the future.

00:25:55.000 And so I've seen the capitulation and, you know, the move towards the Uniparty almost every single time, except for the Israel, you know, IRS bill.

00:26:07.000 The very first thing he did, other than that, I've seen this capitulation every single time.

00:26:12.000 That's what I expected.

00:26:13.000 That's what I told my voters to expect.

00:26:15.000 And that's what ended up happening.

00:26:17.000 Eli4Arizona.com, a lot more to unpack on that because he went to Democrats for rules and rules changes, and he defied Republican voters, which ties into Eli's viral, Eli's viral crip.

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00:27:29.000 So just to kind of finish the, let's just say the timeline, and then I want to get into solutions and sending better Republicans, is that this was force-fed on the American people despite the unpopularity in the Republican Party.

00:27:44.000 And D.C. operates on agreement, not disagreement.

00:27:47.000 It is a divided Congress, but it actually isn't that divided on the main priorities of the regime.

00:27:54.000 And that's why we talk about the Uniparty all the time.

00:27:54.000 No, you're right.

00:27:59.000 It's a very real thing.

00:28:00.000 And on the biggest votes, especially when it comes down to spending and often foreign wars and things like that, the Unit Party, Republicans and Democrats often move in lockstep to accomplish the agenda of the Unit Party.

00:28:18.000 And it's a very real thing.

00:28:19.000 And it really only DC only has really two moves, Charlie, and that's they either try and co-opt new members or they get rid of you.

00:28:28.000 So what do you mean by co-opt?

00:28:30.000 What do you mean by that?

00:28:30.000 Oh, I mean, they'll do anything they can.

00:28:33.000 You know, they'll do anything they can to get you on the team.

00:28:35.000 That's what they call it.

00:28:36.000 We need you on the team, Charlie.

00:28:38.000 You know, they might find out that for you, Charlie, you know, you want to be on judiciary, you want to be on a certain committee or you have, you know, dreams of being in leadership.

00:28:47.000 Well, hey, Charlie, we'll help you do that, but we need you.

00:28:50.000 We need you on these votes.

00:28:51.000 We need you to show loyalty.

00:28:53.000 You know, maybe it's something else.

00:28:56.000 Maybe you have a different vice that they know needs itching and they'll help accommodate that too.

00:29:02.000 But once they realize that you're not going to be on the team, there's only one other move, and that's to get rid of you.

00:29:09.000 And I'm glad to be on that list, Charlie.

00:29:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:13.000 It's an honor to be on that list.

00:29:16.000 Do you think blackmail is something they use?

00:29:18.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:29:19.000 I mean, it's the most powerful, it's the most powerful country in the history of the world.

00:29:24.000 Of course, we're not immune to the same techniques that have been used since the beginning of time.

00:29:32.000 So the Ukraine vote was a huge disappointment.

00:29:36.000 It is also, do these members really feel as if they don't care about their voters that much?

00:29:41.000 Because 85% of Republican voters don't want this.

00:29:45.000 I can't really figure it out, Charlie, if it's a combination of, hey, they just really want to be on the team and maybe they have aspirations of higher political office one day and they don't want to piss off the powers that be, or if they're still stuck in the timeframe that you and I grew up in where, you know, we grew up watching Rambo and Rocky and all these movies where the Russians were the bad guys, right?

00:30:10.000 And they haven't really evolved and gotten out of that mentality.

00:30:14.000 I can't really figure it out.

00:30:16.000 And I think there is a disdain for the American populace and what they actually want.

00:30:22.000 And so I think it's a combination depending on the member you're talking about.

00:30:26.000 I want to play a piece of tape here that went viral.

00:30:29.000 It is Cut 99. 0.75

00:30:30.000 Eli Crane takes a flamethrower on this piece of garbage bill. 0.95

00:30:36.000 And let's let Eli speak for himself. 0.97

00:30:38.000 Play Cut 99.

00:30:40.000 They don't expect us to win every fight.

00:30:42.000 They know that we're outnumbered up here.

00:30:44.000 But here's the deal.

00:30:46.000 They do expect us to fight.

00:30:49.000 And that is something that this party has refused to do time and time again.

00:30:55.000 And it's one of the most frustrating things to be a part of.

00:30:59.000 We know what the Democrats are going to do.

00:31:01.000 They're going to destroy the country.

00:31:03.000 They're driving us off the cliff at 95 miles per hour.

00:31:06.000 Well, guess what?

00:31:08.000 Our solution, the Republican Party, we're going to dial that down to 90 miles per hour, but we're still driving this thing off the cliff. 0.98

00:31:15.000 Just we're backing it down a couple degrees, and it's pathetic. 0.96

00:31:20.000 If you want to help us, start paying attention. 0.99

00:31:24.000 And please quit sending politicians up here who come to your town, who come to your Lincoln-Reagan Day dinner talking about fiscal responsibility, border security, and then they vote on this crap repeatedly. 0.85

00:31:40.000 You can help us. 0.95

00:31:42.000 Quit sending them up here.

00:31:45.000 I think things are starting to change.

00:31:47.000 You had Ana Paulina next to you there, who's terrific. 0.99

00:31:49.000 She's one of the good ones, a great turning point alumni.

00:31:51.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 But there's not enough numbers yet.

00:31:55.000 No, there's not.

00:31:55.000 The numbers aren't there yet.

00:31:56.000 And it's ironic because that bill, that piece of paper I was holding up, that was the last Omni.

00:32:02.000 And now the Uniparty is hitting me and running commercials against me for voting against that Omni.

00:32:08.000 Because in an Omni, Charlie, that was just a one-pager of all the bad stuff in it.

00:32:14.000 But in an Omni, there were over a thousand pages.

00:32:17.000 It was about this thick, filled with a bunch of nonsense, pork, special interest, spending, way overspending, spending money on other people's borders, not our own.

00:32:27.000 And then in there, of course, there's a couple things in there.

00:32:30.000 You know, they'll sprinkle something in there for the Border Patrol, sprinkle something in there for the military, and that's how they get you.

00:32:35.000 So if you vote against it, if you vote against you, boom, Charlie Kirk doesn't care about Border Patrol.

00:32:40.000 And that's, and that's why I said start paying attention because if you don't pay attention, it's so easy for the swamp to gaslight voters just by all they have to do, Charlie, is raise three, four, five million dollars, run a bunch of commercials or radio ads in your district.

00:32:54.000 And then the mom or the dad who's so busy with kids and life, that's all they see.

00:32:59.000 And so they get when they go to the ballot box.

00:33:01.000 They say, oh, Eli Crane's Eli Crane doesn't care about the border.

00:33:04.000 That's right.

00:33:05.000 So let's get to kind of the solution of how we fix it.

00:33:08.000 But I do need to ask you the pointed question.

00:33:10.000 Our audience is just planning.

00:33:11.000 Bring it.

00:33:12.000 Bring it.

00:33:12.000 Are you going to support motion to vacate a Speaker Johnson?

00:33:15.000 Right.

00:33:15.000 So I did send you the article last week.

00:33:20.000 I got ambushed as I was walking off the floor.

00:33:22.000 I saw it press gaggle about 40 reporters, and I said I'm open to it.

00:33:28.000 It would be that's it right here.

00:33:29.000 Yep, right here.

00:33:30.000 Rightpart.com.

00:33:30.000 It'd be really hard.

00:33:31.000 And what I meant by that, it'd be really hard for me to save Speaker Johnson with my vote if Marjorie Taylor Greene triggers this motion to vacate.

00:33:40.000 But I will go into it, and I will tell you this.

00:33:43.000 I don't think the timing is really good.

00:33:46.000 And I'm happy to walk through.

00:33:48.000 I'm sympathetic with that with your audience because can you please?

00:33:52.000 Because our audience is absolutely storm the Bastille.

00:33:55.000 Of course.

00:33:55.000 Take out the mind, I was one of only eight people in the history of Congress, in the history of this country, to do that.

00:34:04.000 And so I hope I have a little bit of credibility when I talk to your audience about it.

00:34:08.000 First of all, number one, I think the motion fails because Democrats are going to save Speaker Johnson.

00:34:16.000 Not only have they said that in interviews, I've heard it personally up on the hill.

00:34:20.000 And Charlie, why wouldn't they?

00:34:22.000 Why wouldn't they say that?

00:34:23.000 They're getting everything they're.

00:34:24.000 Did you hear Chuck Schumer talking about Speaker Johnson?

00:34:26.000 Did you hear Chuck Schumer talking about?

00:34:28.000 Oh, my God.

00:34:29.000 Go look at that.

00:34:29.000 Can we get that question?

00:34:30.000 Go look that clip.

00:34:31.000 Can you give us a little bit of what was that?

00:34:32.000 Oh, it's just so great.

00:34:35.000 I mean, just singing Johnson's praises about how great he is.

00:34:39.000 We're going to find out.

00:34:40.000 A bipartisan champion, doing the right thing.

00:34:44.000 And so, first of all, the Democrats, I believe, will save him.

00:34:47.000 But let's say that doesn't happen.

00:34:49.000 Let's say we get surprised.

00:34:50.000 Okay.

00:34:52.000 I think there's a much higher chance if we pull the trigger on this that we actually end up with a worse speaker than Speaker Johnson.

00:35:01.000 And you're laughing.

00:35:03.000 And people out there, how could it get worse?

00:35:05.000 I knew you were going to say that.

00:35:06.000 I know they're going to say that.

00:35:08.000 But here's the deal.

00:35:09.000 The thing is, because you guys don't have eyes on the ground, you don't watch the conference.

00:35:16.000 You don't see the people in there.

00:35:17.000 It's hard for you to even imagine how it could get any worse.

00:35:20.000 I'll tell you how it could get worse.

00:35:21.000 If you got a speaker in there that was voted the same exact way, led the exact same way, but was vindictive.

00:35:28.000 Now it's a different ballgame.

00:35:30.000 And you see guys like me getting kicked off of all my committees.

00:35:33.000 You see guys like me getting kicked out of the conference.

00:35:36.000 I would say that, sorry to interrupt, but Mike Johnson, he kind of forgives easily, it seems.

00:35:40.000 No, he's a very gracious man.

00:35:42.000 Man, and I told a reporter this the last week.

00:35:44.000 He's very gracious.

00:35:45.000 He listens to people, even when they're abrasive and attacking him.

00:35:49.000 I will say that he's one of the most gracious people I've ever met.

00:35:54.000 But that's how it could get worse.

00:35:56.000 Somebody that votes exactly the same way, leads in the exact uniparty way, but starts kicking conservatives off all their committees.

00:36:03.000 And if you like oversight, if you think oversight's important, if you like seeing, you know, me railing on Secretary Mayorkis or, you know, somebody going after Dr. Fauci, a lot of that could go away if you have a vindictive.

00:36:16.000 And that's how Boehner and Paul Ryan governed.

00:36:18.000 Boehner more than Ryan, Ryan, even more than.

00:36:21.000 And the other thing I'll say on that, Charlie, I think there's really only one person that maybe this audience and the MAGA America First Movement would get behind.

00:36:30.000 And that, you know, that's probably Jim Jordan that could get elected, that's electable, that's even in the universe of who, you know, who we would find acceptable.

00:36:40.000 And the appropriators and the war hawks that kept Jim Jordan from being speaker last time are still there.

00:36:48.000 And so let's say, first of all, I think this motion, I don't think, I think it fails.

00:36:54.000 Even if it passes, I think there's a chance that we get a worse speaker than we have now.

00:36:59.000 And I would say the last thing, if we were to do this, those of us that are being targeted by the old speaker now are being targeted by the new speaker and all the other organizations.

00:37:09.000 And so I think you lose some of your best, or you stand a better chance of losing some of your best fighters in the process for a failed motion.

00:37:17.000 And Trump is opposed to it.

00:37:19.000 So that's my case.

00:37:21.000 Let's kind of gear in on one of those elements, which I agree.

00:37:24.000 You're up against right now a primary challenge.

00:37:26.000 Yeah.

00:37:27.000 What prompted that?

00:37:28.000 Because you were like the darling of CLF previously in 22.

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 Because you know what the flip-o-hall seat, right?

00:37:36.000 It was the number one flip seat in the country.

00:37:38.000 Yes.

00:37:38.000 And I think Kevin put money into your district.

00:37:40.000 He did, right?

00:37:41.000 He did.

00:37:41.000 And you know what?

00:37:43.000 And I, and I asked him to, so I could flip a Democrat seat.

00:37:46.000 And you did.

00:37:47.000 And yeah, and so and I don't feel bad about that because Kevin clearly didn't buy my vote.

00:37:52.000 Nobody bought my vote.

00:37:53.000 But like I said, if you if you end up fighting on too many fronts, I think you end up, not only do you lose the motion to vacate vote, but then there's a good chance that you lose some of your best fighters in the process.

00:38:08.000 And so that's my case.

00:38:10.000 Am I still open to it?

00:38:12.000 I am because I don't have higher political aspirations.

00:38:16.000 And I didn't think that this was going to be a long, I didn't think I was going to be a career politician anyway, but we still got work to do.

00:38:24.000 And so the DC machine grinds on regardless of the will of the people.

00:38:30.000 I want to talk about how we actually fix this and the most helpful things.

00:38:35.000 And that's the most, there's reinforcements, right?

00:38:37.000 Yep.

00:38:38.000 But that means primaries.

00:38:39.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 It will.

00:38:40.000 And it will mean primary.

00:38:42.000 It's probably too late, but boy, if it's not, it's not.

00:38:46.000 It's not too late.

00:38:47.000 Okay.

00:38:48.000 I want to, can you comment on that?

00:38:49.000 Yes.

00:38:50.000 Okay.

00:38:50.000 Yes.

00:38:51.000 Please.

00:38:51.000 I want to get into that.

00:38:52.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:54.000 It's eliforarizona.com.

00:38:56.000 If you are despondent, he's going to lay out a path forward.

00:38:59.000 He's one of the fighters.

00:38:59.000 He's one of the good guys.

00:39:00.000 I agree to everything he said that the timing just might not be right.

00:39:05.000 And again, you can't go against Trump on this stuff.

00:39:08.000 Trump is the leader of the party.

00:39:10.000 That is more important than anything else.

00:39:13.000 If you lose the presidency, I think the civilization is over.

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00:40:05.000 So let's lay the path forward.

00:40:07.000 Cast the vision.

00:40:09.000 You said it's not too late for the primaries.

00:40:10.000 No, it's not.

00:40:12.000 There's still a lot of primaries going on right now.

00:40:15.000 I'm actually, I just started jumping into several of these fights, and that's actually pretty unusual on Capitol Hill.

00:40:22.000 There's a war right now between conservatives and the Unit Party.

00:40:26.000 Two of the big races that we're playing in, the House Freedom Caucus is heavily invested in the Tony Gonzalez race down in Texas.

00:40:33.000 Mike Johnson was just there helping Tony Gonzalez.

00:40:35.000 Yes, he was.

00:40:36.000 And, you know, so I endorsed Tony's opponent.

00:40:40.000 That's a race that your listeners can help.

00:40:43.000 You guys can help out.

00:40:45.000 The gentleman that's running against Tony Gonzalez, I believe his name is Herrera.

00:40:50.000 And one of the other races that many of us are investing in is against Timmins in South Carolina. 0.72

00:40:57.000 Adam Morgan is the chairman of the state House Freedom Caucus.

00:41:02.000 That's another race that we're investing in. 1.00

00:41:04.000 And there's others across the country.

00:41:06.000 Bob Goode needs help in Virginia.

00:41:08.000 He's the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus.

00:41:10.000 He's being primaried.

00:41:12.000 You know, those are a couple for you right there.

00:41:15.000 You know, I think Andy Ogles down in Tennessee could use some help as well.

00:41:19.000 I know that they're gunning for him.

00:41:21.000 And he was with us in the speaker fight back in January.

00:41:24.000 He's a very smart representative.

00:41:27.000 And he's also on the board of the House Freedom Caucus.

00:41:30.000 So those are some guys that you can help out.

00:41:34.000 I don't know that Andy has a tough primary challenge, but I know he's going to need help in the general.

00:41:40.000 So not only can you help us try and flip some seats, but you can also make sure some of the fighters come back next year.

00:41:46.000 Some of the more moderate oligarchs in the Republican Party say you're the problem because you want to engage in the primaries.

00:41:54.000 Of course they do.

00:41:55.000 They don't want to be challenged.

00:41:56.000 They don't want the status quo to be threatened.

00:41:59.000 And that's exactly what I said I was going to do when I came in, Charlie.

00:42:01.000 I said, hey, and that's what I said on that clip.

00:42:04.000 Please quit sending these people.

00:42:06.000 Help us defeat these people.

00:42:08.000 And the thing is, Charlie, I can separate the personal from the political.

00:42:12.000 Some of these people I actually like, but this isn't a popularity contest.

00:42:15.000 This is like, hey, are we going to save this country or not?

00:42:18.000 And you've shown your colors.

00:42:21.000 You've shown that you're part of the swamp.

00:42:22.000 You're part of the unit party.

00:42:24.000 And I don't care if you like me or not.

00:42:26.000 I don't care if you think that I'm the problem.

00:42:28.000 We're going to try and save this country because I have kids and everybody that watches your show does.

00:42:34.000 And they want to see the next generations get to have the same amount of freedom and opportunity that we did.

00:42:39.000 And clearly, the trajectory is not headed in that direction.

00:42:42.000 It's pretty awful, actually.

00:42:44.000 And I will say, though, that the amount of members that are sympathetic, it's increasing.

00:42:51.000 The Ukraine aid votes are better than I even thought they would be.

00:42:54.000 The FISA votes, we're not there yet, but Eli, we're a couple primaries.

00:42:58.000 You guys are.

00:42:59.000 And you guys are effective.

00:43:00.000 The people that listen to this show, Steve Bannon's War Room, Jack Pesobic, you guys are so powerful.

00:43:06.000 And I hear about it in the conference meetings.

00:43:08.000 I've almost seen fist fights in the conference meetings, Charlie, because your audiences are blowing these guys up when they sell you out.

00:43:15.000 I want to talk about that.

00:43:16.000 We have 10 seconds.

00:43:17.000 Because our audience needs to hear that they reach a critical impact.

00:43:21.000 Stay right there.

00:43:22.000 Yeah.

00:43:29.000 Okay, Eli Crane, can you finish that?

00:43:31.000 So compliment our audience here because they need that.

00:43:33.000 No, you guys are more powerful than you think.

00:43:36.000 I've literally seen almost fist fights break out in our conference, which is not something that you would respect when everybody's trying to be a hoity-toity gentleman.

00:43:45.000 But yeah, it happens because when these guys go home after a vote like Ukraine and you guys blow them up on social media, you guys blow them up in town halls.

00:43:55.000 I honestly think it's one of the reasons that there's people that are retiring, Charlie, early.

00:43:59.000 They're tired of dealing with it.

00:44:01.000 They're tired of going up to Washington. 0.87

00:44:02.000 I hate these voters. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Yeah, I hate them. 1.00

00:44:04.000 Stop talking to me, voters.

00:44:05.000 I hate voters that don't like it when I sell them out up in Washington, D.C., but you guys are effective.

00:44:10.000 And I know that you guys don't feel that way.

00:44:13.000 Sometimes I struggle in not feeling that way, Charlie, but I just wanted to let you guys know that, you know, members, we hear members talk about, you know, blown up.

00:44:24.000 Because the impression that some people in the audience have, I don't, is that they don't listen.

00:44:29.000 They don't care.

00:44:29.000 No matter how much I contact, it's just kind of never received.

00:44:33.000 But you're right.

00:44:34.000 But they are human beings just like you and me.

00:44:37.000 And none of no, no, no humans like being hated.

00:44:42.000 No humans like being called a sellout and a traitor.

00:44:47.000 And that's what these guys routinely get called because let's be honest, that's what they're really doing.

00:44:51.000 Of course.

00:44:52.000 And so keep it up, guys.

00:44:54.000 Keep the pressure up.

00:44:55.000 Squeaky wheel gets the grease. 0.99

00:44:58.000 We are so close.

00:44:59.000 You guys look at the numbers.

00:45:00.000 Is that the Ukraine vote?

00:45:01.000 And we are 20, 30 seats away from having a majority of the conference in our favor.

00:45:07.000 And we are going to grind out the warmongers. 0.99

00:45:11.000 We will say, if you want to go have endless war, join the Democrat Party. 0.61

00:45:15.000 And by the way, that'll create their own problems, by the way, because the Democrat base is not all on board for this stuff.

00:45:19.000 No, you're right.

00:45:20.000 But 85% of our voters agree with us.

00:45:23.000 So I guess you've touched on this, Eli.

00:45:24.000 I'm going to repeat the question in a different way, the essence of the question a different way, which is how do we then get the voters' will more in alignment with the representatives?

00:45:34.000 Because I would be depressed if the voters' will was like, okay, we're 10% of the party.

00:45:39.000 No, we're a major, we are the vast, vast majority of the party.

00:45:42.000 We just don't have that reflected or mirrored in our membership.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, I think that it starts with education.

00:45:50.000 And that's why I love the fact that people actually watch these shows because this is where this is where you guys get the real down and dirty on what's going on and not some little scripted, you know, only donor sponsor approved talking points.

00:46:07.000 And so that's a big part of it.

00:46:09.000 But keep the pressure up.

00:46:11.000 And, you know, you guys, you guys don't have to throw in your life savings.

00:46:16.000 But if you can throw in like 10 or 15 bucks on these race I talked about with Timmins in South Carolina and then Tony Gonzalez down in Texas, you know, it does go a long way and it means a lot because these guys, the swamp and the unit party, they require, they count on the massive donors double maxing to them and giving them like, you know, like $6,600 or whatever it is.

00:46:43.000 But when we come out in force and we throw 10, 15 bucks in each, we're able to keep up with that because we actually have the.

00:46:51.000 Yes.

00:46:51.000 And I talked about low-information voters.

00:46:54.000 You know, when you have a big audience, Charlie, but every district has 750,000 people.

00:46:59.000 That's right.

00:46:59.000 So of the 750,000 people in my district, how many of them do you think are listening to Steve Bannon or Charlie Carlton?

00:47:06.000 Five, 10,000 to 15,000 generously.

00:47:08.000 And so these guys, because they, and this is why it's so important that we keep, we don't have to match them dollar per dollar, but we have to keep it close so that they can't completely overwhelm us with the text messages, the radio ads, the TV ads, et cetera.

00:47:24.000 And we just have to be able to keep up with them.

00:47:26.000 Yeah.

00:47:27.000 And it's important to remember that they will outspend us, right?

00:47:31.000 They will have more institutional power, but the will of the voters are with us.

00:47:36.000 And I got to compliment our base.

00:47:38.000 Our base is smart.

00:47:39.000 They're asking the right questions.

00:47:41.000 They're seeing the sellouts for what they are.

00:47:43.000 And they're demanding better because they're seeing their beloved country be abused on a daily basis.

00:47:47.000 Yeah.

00:47:47.000 And just because you don't live in the state of a good rep, I was opening mail yesterday, Charlie, and several people were writing me from all over the country saying, thank you.

00:47:57.000 Thank you for being strong.

00:47:58.000 You can support strong candidates, even though they don't live in your state.

00:48:02.000 It's the same country.

00:48:03.000 Because my vote still on FISA counts the same as the guy that's selling you out in your own state.

00:48:08.000 Absolutely.

00:48:09.000 EliForArizona.com, when is your race?

00:48:12.000 My primary is the last week of July.

00:48:14.000 So let's go through the towns.

00:48:15.000 If you live in Prescott, if you live in Payson, if you live in Philadelphia, Flagstaff.

00:48:18.000 Oh, it's part of Flagstaff.

00:48:19.000 You got Coconino County.

00:48:20.000 That's right.

00:48:21.000 That's right.

00:48:22.000 So that's not as friendly.

00:48:23.000 But Casagran, Casagran, Florence, if you guys are in that kind of outer part, a little bit of Pinal, a little bit of Yava Pie.

00:48:32.000 We're going to be out there doing some events.

00:48:34.000 Gila, great folks out there.

00:48:35.000 We want to run up the score.

00:48:36.000 We want to make sure that we send a message back to the Uniparty that this is money wasted.

00:48:40.000 It'll be good too.

00:48:41.000 My race is special because I was the only freshman that got in on all of these fights.

00:48:45.000 So the message that it will send to the Unit Party with other freshmen is you can be a freshman.

00:48:50.000 Come into these fights and come back.

00:48:52.000 All right.

00:48:52.000 We're going to make sure Eli is successful.

00:48:54.000 EliForArizona.com.

00:48:55.000 Eli, come back anytime, and we'll be doing some events together.

00:49:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:49:02.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:49:04.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:49:08.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 25, 2024

Mike Johnson's Integrity Problem

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