The Charlie Kirk Show - Modern Day Slavery, Being Conservative on Campus, + More — Charlie's 2021 Minnesota State University Q&A

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.

00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.

00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.

00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.

00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter.

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00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am.

00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.

00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

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00:01:19.000 All right, we will go to the first question.

00:01:22.000 I always say this if you disagree, you're allowed to cut in line.

00:01:25.000 And if someone says something outrageous, don't laugh at them, don't mock them, don't ridicule them.

00:01:31.000 This is obviously a conservative audience, so if a liberal is speaking, give them the respect that they never give to us to allow their ideas to be spread.

00:01:39.000 Okay?

00:01:46.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:01:47.000 I have kind of a two part question for you.

00:01:49.000 So, first, you talked about people like Ibram who actually came to speak at my college campus.

00:01:55.000 That's hilarious.

00:01:55.000 Yeah.

00:01:56.000 So, what advice would you give to students like us who disagree with this, who want to fight back, but are fought every way?

00:02:03.000 We're fought in every corner, every step of the way.

00:02:06.000 We're trying to get a turning point on campus and not happening.

00:02:09.000 Trying to take all these steps to fight back, and they're just fighting us at every step.

00:02:11.000 And then, part two of the question is God willing, if I have kids one day, what do we do if it keeps going this way?

00:02:18.000 I mean, Homeschooling is always an option, but if we'd like to send them to school, what are your thoughts on that?

00:02:23.000 What school do you go to?

00:02:24.000 The University of St. Thomas in St. Paul.

00:02:27.000 Okay.

00:02:28.000 Well, first of all, boo, right?

00:02:33.000 Thank you for being here, by the way.

00:02:34.000 So I want to just open up by first saying I don't have any easy answers when you experience oppositions.

00:02:46.000 For the young people in the room, raise your hand if you've been treated differently or graded differently because of your.

00:02:52.000 Political affiliation or your ideas.

00:02:53.000 Yeah, basically, every single young person's hand goes up.

00:02:56.000 Now, for some of the parents and grandparents, they're shocked and aghast that we would live in that kind of country.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, we do.

00:03:04.000 You're going to pay a price if you disagree with the status quo.

00:03:08.000 The best thing you can do is you have to make a decision and you have to make a choice of whether or not this sort of endeavor, which will come with opposition, it will come with backlash, it will come with mockery and ridicule against you, is worth it.

00:03:26.000 Here's the two things I can promise every single Turning Point USA student.

00:03:30.000 Well, first, you're going to all pay a price.

00:03:32.000 No one likes hearing that, right?

00:03:33.000 You're all going to lose friends, but you'll make new ones.

00:03:35.000 You're all going to get kicked out of fraternities and sororities.

00:03:38.000 Who cares about that stuff anyway?

00:03:39.000 Your grades will be different.

00:03:40.000 I don't really think grades matter that much, but maybe they do to you.

00:03:43.000 But whatever.

00:03:44.000 I think character matters.

00:03:45.000 I would rather have courageous C students than weak A students.

00:03:51.000 And so, I'm not saying you can't be both.

00:03:54.000 I'm not saying you can't be a courageous A student, but if I was forced to choose, okay?

00:04:00.000 But here's the thing I can promise you.

00:04:02.000 And I can tell you're frustrated.

00:04:04.000 You're getting your teeth kicked in.

00:04:05.000 You get to be something that most people in America wish you could be the same person in public that you are in private.

00:04:12.000 You do not have to pretend to be somebody that you're not.

00:04:16.000 So you do not have to leave your apartment and go put on a camouflage and a disguise and go be like a woke person when you go to work.

00:04:22.000 No, you'd be like, oh, this is what I believe and why I believe it.

00:04:25.000 Don't want to hire me?

00:04:26.000 Fine, I'll figure it out.

00:04:27.000 If you want to call me these names, fine, I'll figure it out.

00:04:29.000 You act that way, you take almost all their power away.

00:04:33.000 We have given them this kind of societal and cultural power by allowing them to all of a sudden tell us what is socially acceptable, to allow us to accept what sort of ideas are.

00:04:42.000 And I'm not saying it's easy, because there's somebody in this audience right now that I know is getting a pit in their stomach.

00:04:48.000 Like, man, Charlie, it's easy for you to say, I'm a nurse at a hospital, I'm about to be fired because I'm getting forced to get a vaccine.

00:04:55.000 If I dare say anything, I will tyrannically and autocratically be fired almost instantaneously.

00:05:00.000 Easy for you to get up on stage and say that.

00:05:02.000 It's not easy for me to say it.

00:05:04.000 It's hard because I know the significance of the words that I'm saying.

00:05:07.000 I know that there will be a price and a consequence.

00:05:10.000 We do not do opium at Turning Point USA.

00:05:12.000 You know what that is?

00:05:13.000 Hopeful things, opium, feels good.

00:05:15.000 It's actually really bad for you.

00:05:16.000 A lot of people will go on tour and they'll say this just stand for your beliefs and your life will get infinitely better instantaneously.

00:05:22.000 That's lying to you. 1.00

00:05:22.000 That's garbage. 1.00

00:05:23.000 No, it actually might be really awful for the first six months, first year, two years, but you'll become stronger. 0.99

00:05:30.000 You'll develop the metaphorical muscles to deal with this.

00:05:33.000 A year from now, two years from now, three years from now, they won't be able to take anything from you.

00:05:37.000 You will be a properly sold individual, which is what?

00:05:41.000 Free.

00:05:42.000 You'll be free.

00:05:43.000 Free from what they can call you, free from what they can throw at you.

00:05:47.000 And so, heck yeah, man, you're gonna get all sorts of different backlash and ridicule.

00:05:55.000 Don't give up.

00:05:57.000 Handle yourself correctly, respectfully.

00:05:59.000 Understand the position of others.

00:06:01.000 Don't give them a reason to try to cancel you or silence you.

00:06:05.000 Do not do things for the sake of provoking.

00:06:08.000 But, you know, people say, Charlie, you're always trying to provoke.

00:06:11.000 That's not true.

00:06:12.000 I say things that are true.

00:06:13.000 And if it provokes people, that's their problem, not mine.

00:06:16.000 Okay?

00:06:16.000 So, my intent is to say things that are true.

00:06:18.000 So, let me just say this.

00:06:20.000 People like you are why we started Turning Point USA.

00:06:22.000 Don't give up.

00:06:23.000 Don't give in.

00:06:23.000 We've heard all the stories.

00:06:24.000 And here's the other thing resist the temptation, because it's there, even for me, to want to feel sorry for yourself.

00:06:31.000 Wanting to feel sorry for yourself is the opposite of living a magnanimous life.

00:06:38.000 A magnanimous man is one who's deliberate in its choices, it's a properly sold person.

00:06:44.000 A magnanimous man is not anxious when they open an envelope or an email.

00:06:49.000 I'm not that person sometimes.

00:06:51.000 Sometimes you get a text message, you're like, oh my goodness, what is this?

00:06:54.000 A magnanimous man knows who they are and they know their place in the world, and no one can take it away from them.

00:06:59.000 Keep fighting.

00:06:59.000 God bless you.

00:07:07.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:07:07.000 Oh, sorry.

00:07:08.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:07:09.000 So I just had, I listened close to your speech.

00:07:12.000 It was very good.

00:07:21.000 It was a very detailed speech.

00:07:23.000 I basically had a two part question for you.

00:07:26.000 After listening to your speech, I wondered did you think that slavery and ensuing Jim Crow laws had a lasting impact on the black community in the United States? 0.95

00:07:36.000 Some, and that's a good question. 0.93

00:07:37.000 So if you Correlate all the impact of Jim Crow and slavery, I would say that you could generously say 26% single motherhood in the black community in the 1960s.

00:07:48.000 So about 26% of all black babies born in the 1950s and 1960s were born to a single mother.

00:07:55.000 Now it's 77%.

00:07:57.000 So I would ask you, why did it jump 50 points, 50%, since the Civil Rights Act as America got significantly less racist?

00:08:07.000 So that's fine.

00:08:09.000 I don't know why it jumped that.

00:08:11.000 Who cares?

00:08:12.000 Well, it wasn't slavery or Jim Crow. 0.54

00:08:14.000 It was something else.

00:08:15.000 So, the only lasting impact that slavery had on the U.S. was that less black families had fathers?

00:08:23.000 No, not necessarily.

00:08:25.000 But have you ever known anyone that's owned a slave?

00:08:28.000 No, but I know a few presidents who did.

00:08:30.000 You know them personally?

00:08:35.000 So, you don't know anyone that was ever a slave?

00:08:38.000 Well, no, because.

00:08:48.000 So, okay, I don't know anyone who was a slave, so it had no impact?

00:08:56.000 No, it had some impact.

00:08:58.000 The question is did it have an impact that is measurable and significant enough now in 2021, where we saw a key metric that influenced the livelihood of the black community, like single motherhood rate, that is, America got less racist.

00:09:13.000 All of a sudden, now 77% of black babies are born without a father, where before it was 26%.

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00:10:30.000 And I suppose the question is this because this is the question about systemic racism, right?

00:10:35.000 What law that is in practice today actively discriminates against black people?

00:10:43.000 So here's what I would say to that.

00:10:47.000 The idea of capitalism and America, like you said, is it doesn't matter who you are, show me what you got.

00:10:54.000 Fresh start.

00:10:55.000 So, what would happen if you had like 150 years in a country for your family to build wealth, to own a house, to have a job, to get college education for your kids, to build generational wealth?

00:11:11.000 And then you took another family who didn't have the opportunity to do any of that for 150 years and then set them off on the same even starting point.

00:11:24.000 Is that really an even starting point?

00:11:26.000 And would that not result in some kind of systemic disadvantage for those people?

00:11:31.000 So, the black middle class was the fastest growing demographic in the 1940s and 1950s until the Great Society Act and that intervention. 0.98

00:11:39.000 It's very tempting to do what you're doing. 0.91

00:11:42.000 And I'm not faulting you for it because you've probably been propagandized to believe it.

00:11:46.000 And that's okay because I think you're actually a victim in this case because you've been misled to want to believe that things you never lived under, never understood.

00:11:55.000 And that I think you are partially seeing had a disproportionate impact in the world that you're living in today. 0.84

00:12:00.000 So, for example, if that were to be true, then first generation immigrants would not be able to quickly make good choices and move up the ladder in this country, which I think we have some first generation immigrants here tonight.

00:12:12.000 Now, let me say this that this idea that America is systemically racist to the core would also be quickly debunked by the fact that more blacks have legally immigrated to America. 0.76

00:12:27.000 Since the 1980s, than ever were here brought as slaves.

00:12:30.000 Over two million blacks from the Caribbean and from Nigeria and from Western Africa have come here to America.

00:12:37.000 So the question is why is it that in every statistic that you could probably rattle off, are black people doing worse than white people?

00:12:44.000 What is it?

00:12:44.000 Well, I would point to the fact that fathers are not in the home because it was 26% of black females in the 1960s were single mothers.

00:12:53.000 Now it's 77%.

00:12:55.000 If you look at the Brookings Institution, a liberal think tank, there are three things you need to do to stay out of poverty in America.

00:13:01.000 Number one, graduate high school.

00:13:04.000 Well, because of public sector unions and the dominance of our government schools, that's harder than ever in far too many communities. 0.89

00:13:10.000 Not just black communities, not just Hispanic communities.

00:13:13.000 The second thing, get a job, any job.

00:13:15.000 And the third thing is.

00:13:17.000 To obviously not to commit crimes, but to try to get married before you have children. 0.97

00:13:23.000 And so, some of what I believe has contributed to the downfall of some of these communities has nothing to do with white people with the neck on black people. 0.54

00:13:31.000 Instead, it's the following fathers no longer being in the home, the rise of sexual anarchy that came in post 1960s liberalism that removed this idea of sex being confined to a marital relationship to be gratuitous and everywhere.

00:13:47.000 All of a sudden, you've seen an increase in the birth.

00:13:49.000 Not just the birth rate, but the single motherhood rate and abortion alongside of it.

00:13:52.000 I would just ask this question.

00:13:54.000 I'm just curious.

00:13:55.000 How much do you think outputs are based on people's decisions, based on the advantages they're born into?

00:14:04.000 I mean, as someone who's taken an introduction to sociology, your life is greatly influenced by what the conditions are born into.

00:14:15.000 But I promise this will be the last thing. 1.00

00:14:17.000 You say there's less fathers in the home, of, you know, Many black families, and that's the issue.

00:14:23.000 So, what do you think is keeping fathers out of the home in those situations?

00:14:27.000 It's a great question.

00:14:27.000 Do you think it could be over policing and police arresting, like, disproportionately enforcing laws in black neighborhoods and arresting more black males than any other demographic?

00:14:46.000 So, blacks are actually under arrested and under policed per the percentage of crimes they commit.

00:14:50.000 We talked about some of those numbers. 1.00

00:14:52.000 But let me tell you one thing in particular.

00:14:55.000 In the Great Society Act, we decided as a civilization to subsidize single motherhood. 0.87

00:15:01.000 In the 1960s, we told black women you no longer need to be married to have children, you can get married to the government. 0.89

00:15:07.000 And we saw a dramatic escalation and increase of the deterioration of the nuclear family and a replacement of that of the nanny state and the welfare state. 0.51

00:15:17.000 And I would say this that every single activist group that steps up, that talks about systemic racism and oppression, if you look at the data, purely the data, if there is a movement to put black fathers back in the home, And to try and challenge the sexual anarchy that came in the post 1960s and had a more prudent and pious view of sexual relations in America, which is a very unpopular view, by the way, for most Americans, but it's true that before the 1960s, 0.64

00:15:43.000 sexual relations were, at least culturally, supposed to always be confined to marital relationships.

00:15:49.000 The more gratuitous that we have been in trying to catalog it in media and in pop culture and in Hollywood and, yes, in schools, then all of a sudden you have seen people say, well, why do I need to get married for that?

00:16:01.000 Marriage is the bedrock institution, and strong families create strong communities which create strong civilizations.

00:16:07.000 And this is why immigrant communities that have come to America and first generation immigrants are able to move so quickly up the socioeconomic ladder because they might not have wealth, they might not have big bank accounts, they might not own a lot of land, but they have the thing they know that will keep them together, which is a family that will not be broken up at any means necessary.

00:16:26.000 I'll finally say this.

00:16:27.000 Let me just say this.

00:16:30.000 I want to thank you for coming because it took courage you to ask that question.

00:16:34.000 I'm just going to ask you to do one thing. 0.77

00:16:35.000 Please forget everything you learned in Introduction to Sociology 101, because it was likely all garbage.

00:16:40.000 So, thank you so much.

00:16:47.000 If anyone disagrees, feel free to hop in line and, you know.

00:16:52.000 Maybe you disagree and you're working the event, so who knows?

00:16:54.000 I don't know.

00:16:55.000 No, I don't.

00:16:55.000 Okay, hi.

00:16:57.000 Okay, so I know you feel strongly about a lot of political issues.

00:17:01.000 I just want to know what one do you feel the most strong about or passionate about?

00:17:05.000 Most strongly about?

00:17:06.000 Like that you just like get fired up.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot, but if you really want to get me animated, yeah!

00:17:21.000 Is the million abortions that we accept in our country every single year?

00:17:43.000 So that one definitely gets us all animated.

00:17:46.000 If you can't get basic things right, then I don't expect us to start to get the more complicated things correct.

00:17:55.000 Life begins at conception.

00:17:57.000 It shouldn't be hard to say that.

00:17:59.000 I will go back to what I said earlier, which is that when all of a sudden a society accepts that sexual relations can be normalized outside of marriage, then all of a sudden you need to institute new forms of birth control and pleasure control, which is abortion.

00:18:18.000 Million abortions a year.

00:18:20.000 And that's 3,000 a day, to give you an idea of how many abortions happen in our country every single year.

00:18:26.000 And so it also disproportionately hurts black communities.

00:18:30.000 And to kind of answer that previous question before, this is a tough topic to talk about, because even some conservatives kind of want to participate in kind of some of the slow cultural landslide.

00:18:42.000 And I think we have to be very clear what is the ideal?

00:18:45.000 What is the law of nature and nature's God?

00:18:48.000 As Thomas Jefferson said, and I'm not here to proselytize a certain religious belief, I obviously have my own.

00:18:53.000 But let's talk about what Thomas Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence.

00:18:55.000 What is the law of nature and nature is God? 0.60

00:18:57.000 Here's a law of nature out of wedlock children is not good for anyone.

00:19:02.000 It's not good for the parent, it's not good for the kid, it's not good for society, it's not good for the civilization, it's not good for the future of the country. 0.92

00:19:09.000 That there is an ideal, that the ideal should be a man and a woman raising that child, pouring into them, that a daughter needs to see the type of woman she wants to become. 0.99

00:19:20.000 She also wants to see the type of man she one day wants to marry.

00:19:23.000 The man needs to see the type of woman that one day he wants to court and marry, and then maybe the man he wants to become.

00:19:28.000 You remove one of those elements, it's not to say that it's impossible.

00:19:32.000 There are some phenomenal single mothers out there that have been mistreated by weak men, that have been lied to by degenerate men, quite honestly, and I'm happy to get into that endlessly, that step up and raise amazing children.

00:19:48.000 But the statistics show it itself, and I wanted to say this to the prior question I forgot, which is that if you look at the data, The data is very clear, which is that a black child raised by a mother and a father is far more likely to take all the different statistics that you would consider to be a success than a white child that is just raised by a single mother.

00:20:11.000 That right there is the ultimate social safety net, which is stronger families.

00:20:15.000 And this is obvious, but far too often, here's the thing though, is this is where I'll go a step further, and feel free to disagree, maybe we can get in line, which is that I don't think we just have to talk about it as conservatives.

00:20:27.000 I think we have to do something about it, which means that we as conservatives know that families are everything.

00:20:35.000 But far too often, we as conservatives say that.

00:20:37.000 We're like, okay, now go make good choices.

00:20:38.000 I say, wow, why don't we try to calibrate laws that actually try to defend families and make it easier to have children in our country?

00:20:45.000 That make it easier.

00:20:47.000 And now some conservatives get really nervous.

00:20:49.000 They're like, I don't know, because that's government intrusion into it.

00:20:52.000 Look, we're living in, unfortunately, a phase where government's intruding into everything.

00:20:56.000 I don't like it.

00:20:57.000 I wish we had limited government.

00:20:58.000 I wish we were living in a society where everyone was able to police their own ideas and their own actions through the pursuit of virtue. 0.73

00:21:07.000 But I've said very clearly that if we do not turn the corner on Americans having more children, then our civilization is over. 0.98

00:21:15.000 You know what the number one reason why young couples do not have children is? 0.95

00:21:18.000 Number one reason, too expensive. 0.99

00:21:19.000 It's unacceptable.

00:21:21.000 We have to start to think to ourselves if you can't have children, then what good is corporate profits and building new weird buildings in downtown Minneapolis?

00:21:29.000 And what good is that?

00:21:32.000 I want an America where five, six, seven, eight, nine kids per family starts to have a resurgence.

00:21:37.000 I think the wealthiest people in America is not Jeff Bezos.

00:21:40.000 It's the people that have large families.

00:21:43.000 They are the wealthiest people in America.

00:21:45.000 They really are.

00:21:46.000 And that's an ideal. 1.00

00:21:50.000 And I will say this too many young women make an ideal of a soulless corporate career when deep down they actually want to start a family. 1.00

00:22:02.000 Don't prolong it. 1.00

00:22:04.000 Go find someone responsible and go have a lot of kids.

00:22:06.000 Thank you.

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00:23:16.000 Do you want to drink a water first?

00:23:23.000 I already had one.

00:23:25.000 Okay, cool.

00:23:34.000 I've got two to three things.

00:23:36.000 First, my understanding is that slavery is still allowed within our penal system as a punishment.

00:23:42.000 Is that not correct?

00:23:44.000 How would you say slavery is allowed?

00:23:46.000 That we've enshrined it in law that it is okay to use slavery as a punishment in our penal system. 0.86

00:23:52.000 That's why they don't have to be paid minimum wage for work.

00:23:54.000 And I just like to call out, like, I know that that's not around racism or anything like that.

00:24:01.000 And it's just like calling out that we still have slavery within our system.

00:24:04.000 And that, like, I know people who have worked in that system. 0.73

00:24:07.000 I've had friends abroad who were slaves in the cotton fields in Uzbekistan. 0.91

00:24:10.000 Like, it's still going on here, too.

00:24:12.000 So just so I'm understanding, your argument is that we have slavery in America because people who commit crimes aren't paid a minimum wage when they go to jail.

00:24:21.000 And I'm not saying that that's wrong.

00:24:21.000 Correct.

00:24:23.000 I'm just saying that still is slavery.

00:24:25.000 No, that's not slavery.

00:24:27.000 Why is that not slavery?

00:24:28.000 Well, first of all, many of the prisoners actually want those jobs because they get a chance to actually build some income and get out of the cell and have a decent life.

00:24:34.000 Here's the thing I'm not really big into the prisoner sympathy thing.

00:24:37.000 You commit a crime and you go to jail, you're a rapist, you're an arsonist, you're a murderer, you're a money embezzler, and all of a sudden you get a chance to put together packages. 0.85

00:24:46.000 You should be thanking us. 0.99

00:24:47.000 Enough of the swan song of feel sorry for me because I burned down buildings or whatever it is.

00:24:52.000 So, it's not slavery, okay?

00:24:53.000 Slavery would be that you took a random citizen on the side of the street and be like, oh, you did nothing wrong, go put together a bunch of gizmos and gadgets.

00:25:02.000 So, maybe your definition of slavery is different than mine, but.

00:25:06.000 You talked earlier about the dignity of all humans, and right there it sounds like once you've committed a crime, your dignity is removed.

00:25:11.000 This is a great question.

00:25:12.000 So, when should dignity be removed?

00:25:14.000 I would argue never.

00:25:15.000 So, okay, let me ask you a question.

00:25:16.000 So, Ted Kaczynski, Eric Rudolph, and Timothy McVeigh, three people that randomly bombed American society, The Unabomber, the Centennial Park bomber, and the guy that bombed the Oklahoma City bomber, you should never take their dignity away?

00:25:29.000 Yeah, humans, as you said earlier, that like once we start defining why you should take dignity away, dignity starts to.

00:25:35.000 How about like murdering people?

00:25:37.000 Okay, there's a difference between allowing people to live in society and taking away their dignity. 0.80

00:25:43.000 Right, so like Ted Kaczynski, Unabomber, should he not be in jail?

00:25:46.000 I'm not saying he shouldn't be in jail.

00:25:47.000 I'm saying that the rhetoric we use towards people shows whether we give them dignity and see dignity.

00:25:52.000 Right, like Ted Kaczynski was given dignity when he was a professor until he started mailing packages around the place.

00:25:57.000 The country and started killing random children, then it's like, okay, you're going to jail for the rest of your life.

00:26:02.000 That's a good use of power.

00:26:03.000 So, Charlie, when should people stop giving you dignity if you're going to have lines of power?

00:26:07.000 Because I'm not the Unabomber.

00:26:19.000 Right? 1.00

00:26:21.000 Yeah, fair point.

00:26:22.000 And do you understand what I'm saying?

00:26:24.000 Of like, if we, okay, cool.

00:26:29.000 If we claim that dignity is an inalienable human right or given by God, rights could be taken away.

00:26:37.000 Okay, if dignity is given by God, can it be taken away by man?

00:26:41.000 Say that again, I didn't hear what you said.

00:26:42.000 If dignity is given by God, can it be taken away by man?

00:26:45.000 It could be taken away by the state if you make a decision to infringe on the life, liberty, or property of another.

00:26:51.000 Therefore, an emphasis on what?

00:26:53.000 Human action.

00:26:55.000 So, for example, when someone goes and shoots up a school or a church like Dylan Roof, he all of a sudden has violated the social contract and social compact of life, liberty, and property of another.

00:27:08.000 Therefore, we absolutely have a moral right and prerogative.

00:27:12.000 In fact, we have a moral obligation to say that he should not be able to live in free society alongside of us.

00:27:20.000 Absolutely agree.

00:27:21.000 That's not what I'm trying to say.

00:27:23.000 What I'm trying to say is that we should still treat These humans with dignity, even when they are not allowed to be a part of society. 0.92

00:27:31.000 I mean, again, you're not going to convince me that Dylan Roof or the Unabomber are in some sort of vast need after they decided to take the life of innocent people. 0.70

00:27:44.000 Is that the argument? 0.55

00:27:45.000 They made a decision to take the life of another.

00:27:48.000 At that point, the social contract has been violated, and we should, in fact, we have to use state power to take them out of the free and decent society.

00:27:58.000 I'm still not agreeing, disagreeing with that.

00:28:00.000 What I'm disagreeing with is how we use rhetoric and our thought patterns to view other humans and we start to objectify them.

00:28:07.000 This is a good question.

00:28:08.000 Like, uh, going to can I, I understand what you're getting, but let me ask you a question.

00:28:11.000 Oh, can I just finish real quick?

00:28:13.000 Yeah, fine.

00:28:14.000 Um, just like Nietzsche, uh, Nietzsche, not that I agree with everything, Nietzsche, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm really bad with Nietzsche.

00:28:20.000 So, which book are you quoting that you learned in your intro to, uh, it's just the famous quote, yeah, beyond good and evil, you know, which one is it?

00:28:20.000 It's okay.

00:28:27.000 Beware when fighting monsters, for you yourself become a monster.

00:28:30.000 When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gaze back.

00:28:32.000 And I hear a lot of rhetoric of tribalism.

00:28:34.000 I hear a lot of undignifying of humans and objectifying of humans because of the wrongs that they've committed, which is, yeah, like, I agree, they committed wrongs.

00:28:43.000 And, like, how do we get beyond this tribalism, get beyond this undignifying of humans from what they do?

00:28:50.000 How about this?

00:28:51.000 Stop committing crimes and start improving your own character and your conduct.

00:28:56.000 And then all of a sudden, I think society will start to figure it out.

00:28:59.000 I guess my question is this, which is, you're worried about thought patterns and speech patterns.

00:29:04.000 We right now in our country have thousands of people that have committed first degree murder.

00:29:11.000 They decided to take the dignity and the life of another human being.

00:29:14.000 Excuse me while I don't dedicate parts of my speech for people that decided to kill people in cold blood.

00:29:22.000 Right?

00:29:27.000 Let me put it more bluntly people lose any sort of compassion from the state or society.

00:29:35.000 Or any sort of what you would consider to be the same freedom you enjoy when you start to take the life of another.

00:29:40.000 Let me ask you just one final question about this, which is you say we shouldn't dehumanize people.

00:29:45.000 What happens when people stop to be human, like Adolf Hitler?

00:29:49.000 You think we should give him dignity?

00:29:52.000 I think we shouldn't stoop to the level we're trying to stop.

00:29:57.000 Okay, well, let me finish one thing. 0.97

00:30:00.000 I just wanna highlight how incredibly dumb that statement was, because let me be very clear. 0.94

00:30:07.000 The rule of law and the enforcement of it is a sword that needs to be used blindly, prudently, and with wisdom. 0.97

00:30:15.000 But make no mistake, to say that, well, for example, we don't like people that take the life of another, therefore we should not take the life of somebody else, it violates the American idea of justice, which is that you take the life and liberty of another, you're going to pay a price for that.

00:30:28.000 And I encourage you to expand, we're going to get to the next question.

00:30:32.000 Expand beyond Nietzsche, just learn how to pronounce it, Nietzsche, you know, German guy that was right about some things and wrong about a lot, and maybe just read a little bit of Aristotle and Aquinas and Augustine, maybe a little Plato, then maybe you'll expand it a little bit.

00:30:46.000 Thank you for your question.

00:30:47.000 Thanks for being here tonight.

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00:32:23.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:32:24.000 You just mentioned pretty early on, pretty briefly, about how a lot of the struggle with conservatives is that we don't have the same.

00:32:24.000 Thanks for being here.

00:32:31.000 Place in visual media that the left does.

00:32:34.000 I'm a media production major, specifically film, and so it's kind of disheartening to see the way that that profession has been taken over by the left and how kind of a lot of doors seem shut for people who want to use that medium to spread pro American messages.

00:32:49.000 So I'm just wondering what has to happen for conservatives to carve out their place in visual media?

00:32:54.000 Yeah, so first of all, this is a great question.

00:32:57.000 My wife and I were just talking about this actually.

00:33:00.000 The way that we view art is all wrong.

00:33:03.000 I love art.

00:33:04.000 I just don't like postmodern art, obviously. 0.99

00:33:06.000 It's garbage. 0.88

00:33:07.000 And so we need to do a better job of telling people what art actually is, which is the glorification of beauty, the pursuit and commitment to wonder, and hopefully the personification of the ideal and properly sold man. 0.98

00:33:23.000 One of the reasons why conservatives tend to not like some of the people that come out of these graphic design schools is because they've been so propagandized to believe that art is what you make out of it, which is one of the most ridiculous things.

00:33:35.000 I think it was Marcel Ducamp in the 1920s who signed a urinal and was kind of the beginning of kind of this postmodern artist revolution where he said, This is now art because I want it to be.

00:33:47.000 Like, no, it's not.

00:33:48.000 That's not the way, maybe you could say that.

00:33:50.000 You have a right to be completely wrong.

00:33:51.000 So, how does that tie to you?

00:33:53.000 Is that we as conservatives, we need to get back into culture, obviously.

00:33:57.000 We hear this a lot movies, entertainment, and art.

00:33:59.000 But let's be very clear about the type of culture that we actually want to create.

00:34:03.000 We want to create art that glorifies art.

00:34:07.000 A pursuit and a relationship with your creator that speaks favorably of the Western canon, of Shakespeare, of the books that built our entire civilization.

00:34:18.000 Instead, we're doing the opposite. 0.86

00:34:20.000 Instead, on Disney, you can go be a graphic designer to go tell eight year olds that transgenderism is normalized or whatever that crazy, right? 1.00

00:34:27.000 That's like the new thing, which I think is completely and totally evil and wrong, where they have transgender people on Disney and Nickelodeon or whatever. 1.00

00:34:35.000 And so I would just say that. 1.00

00:34:37.000 What needs to be done is we as conservatives need to be more embracing of people that are artists.

00:34:41.000 And this is the problem, is because some people say, well, artists are inherently disruptive and destructive.

00:34:47.000 Now, there is a point and there's some truth to that, right?

00:34:49.000 But good art does not destroy things that are beautiful.

00:34:53.000 It does the opposite.

00:34:55.000 Good art portrays things that are beautiful in a way that has not been done before.

00:34:59.000 And so, this is the whole idea of architecture, right? 0.96

00:35:01.000 Don't even get me started on architecture in America, which is mostly garbage, right? 0.88

00:35:05.000 It's mostly utilitarian.

00:35:06.000 You want to know the best example of American architecture going now?

00:35:10.000 Go look at a dollar general.

00:35:11.000 It looks like something out of a Soviet commissar in the 1970s, right? 0.98

00:35:14.000 Like, no windows, total box, built solely and strictly for the purpose of buying crap from China. 0.78

00:35:21.000 Like, that's what a dollar general is for, right? 0.72

00:35:23.000 And instead, we used to build buildings to have some sort of transcendent connection.

00:35:30.000 So, there's two very basic things that you should know about architecture.

00:35:32.000 Number one, the circle is the perfect shape because there is no beginning, there is no end, it's an infinite symbol in its core.

00:35:38.000 Number two, all buildings should point upwards because they point upwards towards transcendent order or to God.

00:35:43.000 Very simple.

00:35:44.000 Most European medieval architecture, Gothic architecture, embodies this.

00:35:47.000 People are really afraid to talk about this topic.

00:35:49.000 I don't know why, because they kind of loop it into some sort of like, you're a terrible person because you're talking about architecture.

00:35:54.000 No, I want to live in a society that is aesthetically pleasant and beautiful.

00:35:58.000 Now, to answer your question, which was totally unrelated to that, which is, I just, is this, which is if you're gonna get into the graphic arts and all of this, we need to do a better job as conservatives to embrace content creators and create those people.

00:36:10.000 At the other side, if you have a passion for that, please try to form yourself into trying to glorify the good and to pursue the wonderful, not trying to disrupt things that work and be like, oh, this is a piece of art because it's like a Campbell's soup can that has been poured over, which is like some of the stuff in the.

00:36:27.000 You guys ever see that video on YouTube?

00:36:29.000 Where they had like the orange juice spill and they pretended it was a piece of art and people came by and took pictures of it.

00:36:33.000 It's like they could be like, it really wasn't, but they persuaded themselves that it was is that art should glorify the good, not destroy the ideal.

00:36:40.000 So thank you so much.

00:36:41.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:36:47.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:36:48.000 I'm a little nervous, so bear with me, but I got kind of a two parter.

00:36:52.000 So, first, over the summer, you had a debate with a YouTuber, Vosh, on the Tim Pool podcast, and you guys had a conversation about critical race theory in school.

00:37:01.000 And what the purpose of education should be.

00:37:04.000 And if I believe, if I remember correctly, you said something along the lines of the purpose of education should be to kind of breed gratefulness for being in an awesome, amazing country.

00:37:14.000 Could you elaborate on that?

00:37:15.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:37:16.000 Thank you for asking it.

00:37:18.000 So, education comes from a Latin word which means to lead forth.

00:37:22.000 It literally comes out of Socrates' allegory of the cave, well, Plato's allegory of the cave, as told by Socrates, of leading forth out of darkness into light.

00:37:31.000 So, there's this debate right now of what is education?

00:37:34.000 Should education be kind of a buffet line where you present students with all the different options and they kind of choose for themselves?

00:37:34.000 Right?

00:37:41.000 Or should education be hopefully a commitment to things that are objectively true and good and beautiful and leading young people towards what is the beginning of philosophy, which is wonder?

00:37:53.000 Like, wow, there's a world so big outside of things that I'm just beginning to understand and I know so little of it, but I want to go in the pursuit and the journey of maybe getting closer to it.

00:38:02.000 So, those are two different types of definitions, right?

00:38:04.000 So, one form of an educational definition is you know what?

00:38:08.000 We are going to try to sample every single ideology and kids and students choose for themselves.

00:38:12.000 I think that's a mistake.

00:38:14.000 Now, the downside is if you get really, really bad teachers, all of a sudden they're going to use that and they're going to be like, oh, well, we know Marxism is better than that, so at least we'd prefer the buffet line over serving bread lines of the equivalent of Marxism.

00:38:25.000 Whereas in its ideal, though, in the classical sense, people that are teachers, people that want to lead forth, they need to be willing to make absolute objective claims in three categories in ethics.

00:38:38.000 In metaphysics and in politics.

00:38:40.000 That's not political parties, but in certain political systems.

00:38:43.000 And so the correct and the ideal view of education should be that.

00:38:47.000 Is it?

00:38:47.000 It's so far from that, it's hard to believe.

00:38:50.000 Anyone here classically educated, you kind of know what I believe here?

00:38:52.000 And you would know that it's not actually imposing those ideas, it's teaching the fundamentals of Greek, of Latin, and Hebrew, reading ancient and great books, and getting closer towards that hopeful end conclusion of a better citizen.

00:38:52.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.000 And so people say, Charlie, what does a properly educated man look like?

00:39:10.000 A magnanimous man, someone that has character.

00:39:13.000 Now, character comes from a Greek word which means imprint or tattoo, it's etched within you.

00:39:21.000 A properly sold man with character is like the Grand Canyon, where good luck undoing that.

00:39:29.000 Good luck trying to change that.

00:39:31.000 That's what education should be.

00:39:32.000 A properly sold man is like the Grand Canyon.

00:39:34.000 Look at it, you're impressed.

00:39:36.000 No matter how much rain, storm, or opposition happens, that stays input.

00:39:43.000 In fact, education is like the opposite of it it's like a plate of spaghetti.

00:39:46.000 It changes as you want to, there's no form of it.

00:39:48.000 Does that answer your question, or does that beg another one?

00:39:51.000 Kind of because I just feel like, can you make me still look closer?

00:39:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:39:55.000 Because I feel like I do agree with some of the things you said about education should be about objective truth and things like that, although I don't think necessarily ethics has an objective morality to it all the time.

00:40:07.000 But I just, the root of your argument with Vosh was kind of, he was saying how you were arguing that the purpose of school shouldn't be to breed like mini activists.

00:40:19.000 So from that, I kind of get the idea of whitewashing history a little bit. 0.72

00:40:19.000 That is true. 0.72

00:40:23.000 In order to not like breed activism, when in reality, I don't think education should like ascribe a morality to our country, it should kind of just be like, like you said, objective truth, history, and then they kind of will make out of it what they got.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, so I would never support whitewashing anything, obviously.

00:40:42.000 I think that if you fairly and read the founders as they are, you'll realize these were incredible men, that they were born into a world that they did not create, that by the time that they were.

00:40:54.000 Exiting the world, slavery was on its way out.

00:40:56.000 That the first ever anti slavery convention was hosted by Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia in 1775.

00:41:02.000 I could go on and on and on.

00:41:03.000 But I think a proper view of history using original texts, actual quotes, and going into the actual context of the time, I think actually creates a sense of pride and a sense of gratitude for living in that nation.

00:41:15.000 So happy to dive into that further.

00:41:17.000 I don't think we're going to explore that much more because I know we're low on time.

00:41:21.000 But I'll say this final thing is that this is where we'll have clarity, but not agreement on this one issue.

00:41:26.000 I believe there is an objective ethical code.

00:41:29.000 I believe that there is an objective ethical code of how we treat people that are less powerful than us, of a proper way to organize society, of what the highest form of existence for a human being should be.

00:41:41.000 I think one of the great roadmaps, in addition to the Bible, which is the greatest roadmap, but one of the roadmaps that isn't taught is Aristotle's ethics of what does a properly sold man look like, courage, contemplation, justice, friendship, all these things that need to be wrestled with and asked the question about.

00:41:57.000 I think that if we say that there's no such thing as objective morality, then we're in nothing more than a power dynamic, which some people In control of our country, I actually believe.

00:42:04.000 But thank you so much for being here tonight.

00:42:05.000 Appreciate it.

00:42:08.000 Good evening, Mr. Kirk.

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00:44:32.000 I just want to say thank you for coming first.

00:44:33.000 And to those of you who disagreed with Charlie, thank you very much for coming.

00:44:37.000 It's very admirable.

00:44:39.000 I had the opportunity to go to YAFCON this past summer and I got to ask the Honorable Kevin Brady this question.

00:44:44.000 I think it's really important now, more so than ever, especially with the infrastructure talks going on in Congress at the moment.

00:44:50.000 How do we get young Americans?

00:44:52.000 To care more about taxes than race? 0.84

00:44:56.000 That's a great question.

00:44:58.000 You might not like my answer.

00:44:59.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:45:01.000 Kevin Brady actually refused to answer.

00:45:03.000 He flipped it back on me.

00:45:05.000 Well, I'm going to answer it, so that's fine.

00:45:07.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not a politician, nor do I want to be, so I actually answer questions and say things that are true, regardless of what CNN says.

00:45:14.000 Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, just kind of like, obviously, they should care almost nothing about race, but I will kind of say, Because Kevin Brady's probably the wrong person or the perfect person to answer this question.

00:45:26.000 I think he's way too fixated on taxes, to be perfectly honest.

00:45:29.000 I think tax policy is not even close to the most important thing happening to our country, like, not even close.

00:45:35.000 We have a generation that doesn't share values.

00:45:36.000 We have immigration policy that's intentionally harming us, the destruction of the American family, opioid epidemic, sexual anarchy.

00:45:43.000 Like, if you were to say, like, this big trade off, again, I don't like paying taxes.

00:45:47.000 I pay way too much in taxes.

00:45:48.000 You do too.

00:45:48.000 Taxes should be lower.

00:45:50.000 But the kind of pathological fixation that certain Republicans and conservatives have on, like, lowering corporate tax rates.

00:45:55.000 When it's like, wait a second, divorces are going up, church attendance is going down, like our morality is being put in question, and like your whole thing is like lowering corporate taxes, is I think kind of low on the totem pole of actual like society bearing futures.

00:46:09.000 And don't get me wrong, I'm all for free markets and lower taxes.

00:46:13.000 But here's how I'll answer your question, which might not be how you might expect it, which is we should care less about taxes.

00:46:18.000 Taxes should, we should care more about race.

00:46:20.000 Here's what we should care more about we should care more about the nation, our fellow countrymen, our shared story, our history, and also a very simple question, which is this what kind of society do you want to live in?

00:46:30.000 Do we want to live in a society with super low taxes, where no one speaks the same language, we all have a different interpretation of history, and we're kind of like the Singaporean colony?

00:46:39.000 Or do we want to live in a country where all of a sudden families are getting back together, children are starting to be had again, where all of a sudden we are turning the corner away from some of the slippage morally I think we're having in our country, hopefully with immigration that prioritizes our fellow countrymen?

00:46:52.000 Do you have a short follow up?

00:46:53.000 Okay.

00:46:53.000 Nope.

00:46:54.000 Thank you for that question, though.

00:46:55.000 Appreciate it.

00:47:01.000 So I want to thank our amazing Turning Boy USA students.

00:47:03.000 Let me just kind of summarize all this together.

00:47:05.000 And thank you for the disagreements, by the way.

00:47:07.000 I appreciate it.

00:47:07.000 And that's courage.

00:47:09.000 It really is.

00:47:10.000 And thank you guys for being respectful of all that.

00:47:11.000 It's very nice.

00:47:12.000 And so, a couple things in closing.

00:47:15.000 Number one, I want to reiterate something I said earlier.

00:47:18.000 If every single person commits themselves to being the same in public that you are in private, all of a sudden the number one form of censorship that has been occurring in America, which is self censorship, starts to go away.

00:47:32.000 The number one form of censorship is you shutting up you or us shutting up us.

00:47:36.000 I do it too.

00:47:38.000 When I get into a family gathering, sometimes I'm like, I don't want to deal with this right now.

00:47:41.000 Like, not right now.

00:47:42.000 That is a form of cultural censorship where all of a sudden we are allowing that pressure to dictate whether or not we are going to stand for what's right and for what we actually need to articulate.

00:47:52.000 The other thing I'll say is this, which I want to reemphasize this, which is people say, Charlie, how do we win?

00:47:58.000 We win when all of a sudden we stop allowing them to inflict the punishment.

00:48:03.000 We win when all of a sudden we disempower them by showing no matter what you take from me, my salary, my job, my diploma, my friends who aren't really my friends, the thing that matters most is expressing.

00:48:16.000 The values and the ideas and the truths that do not change.

00:48:20.000 This country's not going to be saved overnight.

00:48:22.000 People don't like hearing this.

00:48:23.000 We're in a tough spot.

00:48:25.000 They control a lot from Harvard to the New York Times to Google to Facebook, which is like the weirdest 24 hour news cycle of Facebook I've ever seen, but whatever, to so many other different things.

00:48:33.000 The question is this the question is will people that still believe in the same American story, believe the Constitution is the greatest political document ever written, that believe natural rights are given to you by God, that believe in life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, the laws of nature and nature is God, and believe in the promise of the Declaration?

00:48:49.000 That when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands with another, that the separate equal stations are given to you by, it continues by saying laws of nature and nature is God.

00:49:00.000 This is a very important question because we are now on that civilizational brink right now of whether or not, whether we're going to go the direction that they want us to go tribal warfare, tearing at each other's throats, or we could recommit ourselves.

00:49:12.000 And it starts with this generation 18, 19, 20, 21 year olds in the audience and watching online, you were born into a world you did not create.

00:49:21.000 So you have a choice. 0.58

00:49:22.000 You could do the AOC thing. 1.00

00:49:23.000 Where you complain about everything, you march in the streets and say, My parents are a bunch of idiots, and, you know, give me a bunch of stuff. 1.00

00:49:30.000 Or you could do this Hey, I wish my parents would have been more involved in this, but I'm not going to blame them. 1.00

00:49:34.000 It says in the Bible very clearly to honor your mother and father because then you will live long in the land of which you are in.

00:49:40.000 It's the only Ten Commandments with a promise.

00:49:41.000 Instead, you should say, Look, maybe my parents could have been more involved, but they gave me an opportunity to live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:49:48.000 I have things more going for me than not.

00:49:50.000 I'm going to be filled with gratitude, not anger and venom, and say, Guess what?

00:49:54.000 This generation, I'm telling you, we now have to lead the other generations that have been sitting idly by that either don't understand the stakes and circumstances, that are just kind of like, oh, things are going to go back to normal.

00:50:05.000 They will only go back to how they were if we put them back to how they were.

00:50:09.000 This is not a gravitational pull argument.

00:50:12.000 Like, well, it's going to go back to how it used to be.

00:50:14.000 So here's the final thing I'll say.

00:50:16.000 When we do that, when we no longer allow them to inflict punishment on us, when we stand together as one and we offer a source of.

00:50:27.000 Not just compassion, but also a source of catching people when they fall.

00:50:32.000 Someone gets fired from their job, you support them because of their political beliefs, whatever it might be.

00:50:36.000 Then all of a sudden, how do we win?

00:50:38.000 We win with each person believing what you do actually matters.

00:50:42.000 We win when all of a sudden we rise up and we dedicate ourselves to not caring about what other people say about us, but what is true objectively and the things that do not change.

00:50:51.000 This country is a beautiful gift from God, everybody.

00:50:53.000 And it's an honor to be here in this state alongside all of you.

00:50:57.000 I want you to vision cast 10, 20, 30 years from now.

00:51:00.000 I want to say the front page of the New York Times say the following sudden and shocking right turn happened post COVID 19 pandemic.

00:51:07.000 When Generation Z and Millennials rose up against CRT for freedom in the Constitution, I want to see that headline.

00:51:14.000 I know you do too.

00:51:15.000 We're going to win if we rise up.

00:51:16.000 God bless you guys.

00:51:17.000 Thanks so much for having us tonight.

00:51:26.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 20, 2026

Modern Day Slavery, Being Conservative on Campus, + More — Charlie's 2021 Minnesota State University Q&A

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