The Charlie Kirk Show - MTG Defends The Deal + Athletes Dropping Suddenly with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Daniel Horowitz

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00:01:25.000 Congresswoman Green, welcome to the program.

00:01:28.000 So I want to ask you, you know, we've been receiving a lot of emails over the last, over the weekend, about this deal that was negotiated and the deal that was struck.

00:01:40.000 I believe it's a good deal.

00:01:41.000 I believe that our friends that were the holdouts, they pushed it to the limit.

00:01:45.000 And then they realized that the moderates were getting ready to strike back and they still might strike back on the rules vote.

00:01:52.000 Congresswoman, tell us about this deal and tell us about how we are on pace to have the most conservative Congress of our lifetime.

00:02:00.000 Well, you know, I've been upfront all along.

00:02:02.000 I always love a good fight in our conference and I'm never afraid of one, but I always want it to be for the right thing.

00:02:10.000 So I am thankful to my friends and colleagues because there's a few things I like in the package.

00:02:16.000 But to be honest with you, they were pretty much already there before last week, before people saw what happened on the House floor.

00:02:23.000 But for the American people to see it happen, I think that was helpful. 0.91

00:02:28.000 It brought the dialogue and the conversations and the agreements that we had made weeks and months before inside our conference meetings, and it brought it out for the public view.

00:02:38.000 So I think that was very helpful.

00:02:40.000 And I'm very glad that happened.

00:02:42.000 I'm excited that we're going to have 12 separate appropriation bills.

00:02:46.000 I think that's a huge win.

00:02:48.000 But that was, again, that was already there before the big fight happened.

00:02:53.000 Now, the only change that truly happened with them holding out after 15 rounds was the motion to vacate went from five members down to one member.

00:03:04.000 But today we have Anthony Gonzalez from Texas saying that is a no-go for him in the rules package.

00:03:11.000 And that has him currently against the rules package tonight.

00:03:15.000 I'm going to just lay it out straight for you guys.

00:03:18.000 Five or one, it doesn't matter.

00:03:20.000 20 members of Congress proved last week that they can stop anything from being passed on the House floor.

00:03:26.000 So I see it as a non-issue.

00:03:28.000 I don't think it's anything for us to fight over.

00:03:30.000 I think we need to celebrate the win.

00:03:31.000 We have the gavel.

00:03:33.000 I'm ready for investigations to start.

00:03:35.000 I'm ready for subpoenas.

00:03:36.000 And I'm ready to remove the drama basically out of the news and start putting results in the news for the American people.

00:03:45.000 So I just want to reinforce this, though.

00:03:48.000 Gonzalez has said he's not going to vote for the rules package.

00:03:52.000 Nancy Mace is flirting with the idea of not voting for the rules package.

00:03:56.000 Some people in our audience say, Charlie, we should have taken this for weeks.

00:03:59.000 We should have kept going months to try to get Kevin not to be speaker.

00:04:04.000 Now, you could want that and you can wish that, but the composition of the house is that Kevin McCarthy had 150 to let's say 100 moderates that weren't happy with any sort of conservative changes happening.

00:04:18.000 And the moderates were getting ready to strike back.

00:04:20.000 This is a good deal.

00:04:21.000 It's been struck.

00:04:22.000 We're ready to move forward.

00:04:24.000 Can you just talk about how some of the moderates, more moderate members, Marjorie, have been, you know, not so happy that you're going to be on a committee.

00:04:33.000 They're not so happy that, you know, these things are happening.

00:04:36.000 Talk about that.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, let me let me give a little perspective for people that there's some things that a lot of people don't know.

00:04:44.000 Last week was painful for some members of Congress, and I'll tell you why.

00:04:50.000 The holding it out all week long, and I know some people just want to see nothing but full-on fights here in Congress, but holding it out all week hurt a couple of people.

00:05:00.000 Roger Williams' wife had a stroke and she was in the hospital.

00:05:03.000 She's still in the hospital.

00:05:05.000 He could not go home to be with her because the 20 kept holding out.

00:05:10.000 Wesley Hunt, his wife had a baby four weeks early.

00:05:13.000 The baby was in the hospital, still in the hospital.

00:05:15.000 The wife, his wife, and she had to go to the hospital.

00:05:20.000 So there were some very, Kevin Hearn's mother passed away.

00:05:23.000 So there were some very personal things happening that the public had no idea about.

00:05:29.000 And there were great frustrations that grew while there were basically backroom deals being struck that didn't have anything to do with rules packages.

00:05:38.000 It had more to do about, hey, what committee assignments and things like that.

00:05:42.000 That was what was going on.

00:05:43.000 Now, I'm going to be honest with you again.

00:05:45.000 I think we may have some moderates using this rules vote to their advantage to say, hey, I want this position.

00:05:51.000 I want this committee assignment.

00:05:53.000 And these are the things that I don't like, but they're happening.

00:05:58.000 And again, Charlie, I'll tell everyone, I don't have any agreement.

00:06:02.000 I have no committee assignments.

00:06:03.000 I haven't had any.

00:06:05.000 I still don't have any.

00:06:06.000 I just want to do the job for the people.

00:06:08.000 And I really want our 222 Republicans to get on board with this agenda.

00:06:14.000 And this agenda is extremely America first.

00:06:18.000 The agenda we have is for accountability.

00:06:20.000 It's for investigations.

00:06:22.000 It's for the border. 0.57

00:06:23.000 It's to hold China accountable. 0.92

00:06:25.000 It's to stop the woke sexualization of our children and education. 0.72

00:06:30.000 I'm excited to pass my bill, the Protect Children's Innocence Act, to stop the gender mutilation of kids under 18.

00:06:38.000 I'm excited to audit Ukraine.

00:06:39.000 And I have an agreement with many even moderates in the conference to do that because I don't want any more money going to Ukraine.

00:06:46.000 I'm sick and tired of that.

00:06:48.000 I care about it.

00:06:48.000 I completely care about our border.

00:06:50.000 So I want people to know that not just because someone calls themselves conservative or someone is a moderate, it doesn't mean that they're always right or they're always wrong.

00:07:02.000 I want people to take personalities off the table.

00:07:05.000 Let's just be about doing the job, the job that we're elected to do.

00:07:09.000 And that's what I'm imploring everyone in our conference to do.

00:07:13.000 And that's what I'm asking our voters and the base and people that really care about MAGA and America First.

00:07:19.000 Let's do that because I'm tired of being the party of never.

00:07:23.000 I want to be the party that fights the Democrats, defeats their radical ideology.

00:07:28.000 And I want to be the party that actually proves to the American people that we're America first and we are for them all the way.

00:07:36.000 So there was a very interesting phone call that took place.

00:07:41.000 And some of the holdouts were losing support amongst the people that I communicate with.

00:07:48.000 So I was communicating with some great grassroots patriots, some big donors that were with some of the holdouts because they were getting some information about a blowup of some conversation, all that.

00:07:58.000 But then they said, listen, if it's Friday evening and you're still voting for somebody that has no chance to be speaker, and my theory is on the 14th round of voting that there was a miscommunication, that somebody thought the threshold was something that it wasn't.

00:08:15.000 And that this is my working theory, that they actually thought that it was going to pass.

00:08:20.000 Is that correct, Marjorie?

00:08:22.000 Because it didn't look like it was a triumphant thing.

00:08:24.000 And then Kevin walks over to Matt Gates and they kind of have a somewhat of a heated conversation.

00:08:31.000 And then Mike Rogers comes over and like lunges at Matt Gates and somebody has to pull him back.

00:08:37.000 And in some ways, it was actually transparently real because that, okay, wow, this is this is not theatrics.

00:08:46.000 But in some sense, it actually kind of was.

00:08:48.000 But then you started to make phone calls.

00:08:51.000 And so you, is it true that you then called Donald Trump and started to try to pass the phone around to some of the holdouts?

00:08:58.000 Walk us through that.

00:09:00.000 Yes.

00:09:00.000 Well, and you're so smart, Charlie.

00:09:03.000 Wow.

00:09:04.000 Great, great.

00:09:05.000 You did a good job of breaking that down.

00:09:07.000 And that is in fact what was happening.

00:09:09.000 You know, I talked to President Trump very frequently.

00:09:14.000 I will never back away from my loyalty to President Trump.

00:09:19.000 I want him back in the White House.

00:09:20.000 He's the only guy I'm supporting for 2024.

00:09:23.000 And he is, in fact, the leader of the Republican Party.

00:09:26.000 His early endorsement and support for Kevin McCarthy, it helped us hold the 201 Republicans supporting and voting for Kevin McCarthy the entire week.

00:09:37.000 No one fell away.

00:09:38.000 And President Trump had a big, big part and role into that.

00:09:43.000 And the 20 that were holding out, never forget, these were all President Trump endorsed candidates.

00:09:50.000 They have rode the MAGA train the entire time in their careers.

00:09:54.000 Most of them have.

00:09:55.000 And the new members, the new freshmen, they came in because of President Trump and his strong endorsement.

00:10:01.000 President Trump had been calling them, telling everyone, let's get this over with.

00:10:06.000 Let's get our job.

00:10:08.000 Let's get the gavel and let's hold the Biden administration accountable.

00:10:12.000 And I'd been talking to him earlier.

00:10:15.000 So I called him up and I said, President Trump, we need your help.

00:10:19.000 It just fell apart again on the 14th ballot.

00:10:22.000 And he wanted to talk to Matt Rosendale.

00:10:25.000 And so I said, great, I'm going to find him.

00:10:26.000 I'll get him on the phone for you.

00:10:28.000 And I found Matt Rosendale.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, he was right across the aisle.

00:10:31.000 And I said, I said, Matt, President Trump wants to talk with you.

00:10:36.000 Can you please talk with President Trump?

00:10:37.000 Matt Rosendale blew up, yelled at me and screamed at me.

00:10:41.000 Don't you ever do that to me, Marjorie?

00:10:43.000 Don't you ever do this?

00:10:45.000 And he was throwing his hand up and refusing to talk to President Trump.

00:10:49.000 But I'm telling you, that was key in everything that was happening.

00:10:54.000 And it was also, I want you to know, that pressure within our conference of these poor members and their families and these terrible issues that were happening.

00:11:03.000 And it was like, okay, enough.

00:11:05.000 You've extracted enough, you know, your pound of flesh here.

00:11:09.000 You've done it.

00:11:09.000 Let's care about people.

00:11:11.000 And President Trump is saying, get it done, get it over with.

00:11:14.000 And it was President Trump, his phone calls and his words to members that I believe it was key in getting this thing across the line.

00:11:24.000 And we have the gavel.

00:11:26.000 This is something people need to celebrate.

00:11:28.000 And this was a team effort with President Trump.

00:11:31.000 Many Republicans and all the conversations and the negotiations, we should be celebrating today.

00:11:38.000 No one should be mad anymore.

00:11:40.000 We should be cheering because we are ready to roll.

00:11:42.000 And I'm ready to go.

00:11:44.000 I can't imagine anybody being upset about having the gavel, gavel and the control here in the House because we've been under Nancy Pelosi while she has been leading the effort and the legislation and the attacks on our country, our Constitution, and the American people.

00:12:01.000 And she has been getting the job done for Joe Biden.

00:12:04.000 Well, that ended on Friday night because we got the gavel.

00:12:07.000 We won.

00:12:08.000 And President Trump, his voice being there on the floor on the phone was just such a great, just a great thing for me to be a part of.

00:12:16.000 And I'm so happy that everyone knew that that's who was on that phone Friday night.

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00:13:46.000 Marjorie, I'm going to ask you a question we got from a listener that's a little bit critical.

00:13:50.000 I'm sure you can handle it.

00:13:51.000 Charlie, I listen live every day.

00:13:52.000 You just interviewed MTG.

00:13:54.000 The 20 holdouts just delivered the most conservative Congress in my lifetime.

00:13:57.000 And MTG was not one of the ones fighting for her.

00:13:59.000 Why didn't you challenge her?

00:14:00.000 Well, I'm reading the email.

00:14:01.000 What's your response?

00:14:03.000 My record speaks for itself.

00:14:05.000 I have a 100 liberty score from Conservative Review.

00:14:09.000 That's my actions.

00:14:10.000 That's my voting record.

00:14:12.000 And I'd like to remind everyone listening that the whole reason why we have Congress on record in the 117th Congress is because I led the effort demanding recorded votes on the House floor, not letting any bills pass by voice.

00:14:27.000 All of my legislation that I've introduced is America first.

00:14:30.000 All of my votes are America first and for the MAGA agenda.

00:14:34.000 So I'm going to let my actions continue to speak for themselves.

00:14:38.000 And the reason why I didn't engage in holding out to Kevin McCarthy is because the rules package was already there before we started voting on Monday.

00:14:48.000 I didn't make this about a personality.

00:14:50.000 I don't like the never Trump movement.

00:14:52.000 I don't like the never movement in our party.

00:14:54.000 I want to see real action done and we can do that with our voting cards.

00:15:00.000 So for this listener, I really do appreciate her question, but we have the power of our voting cards and we have to get to 218 on every single bill passed.

00:15:09.000 With 222 members of Congress, the one great thing you saw last week from my 20 friends and colleagues in the House Freedom Caucus, and by the way, I'm a member of the House Freedom Caucus, is that we can stop anything from passing and we can continue to make sure bills are exactly where they need to be.

00:15:28.000 I'll continue to be part of that effort and people can just continue to know I haven't changed and they'll see that for themselves coming up.

00:15:36.000 So what committee, Marjorie, are you going to be on so we can have you release the dogs on all these treacherous cockroaches?

00:15:44.000 Well, I don't know.

00:15:45.000 Again, I never demanded or I don't have a deal.

00:15:49.000 So I'm having to go going to have to go through the steering assignments and the steering committee to get my committee assignments, just like every single member of Congress should be doing.

00:16:00.000 I wasn't in backroom deals.

00:16:02.000 I wasn't trying to negotiate anything for myself last week.

00:16:05.000 I'm just very on board for our agenda.

00:16:09.000 And that agenda has been on Kevin McCarthy's website for months.

00:16:13.000 And that agenda is something I really believe in.

00:16:15.000 I encourage everyone to go look at it.

00:16:17.000 There's a lot there, and it was there for months.

00:16:20.000 It didn't just happen last week.

00:16:23.000 I want to point something else out, though, for everyone listening.

00:16:27.000 Congress hasn't been changed forever.

00:16:29.000 That did not happen last week.

00:16:31.000 Every single two years, the new Congress votes on a new rules package.

00:16:36.000 And so the big battle that happened last week, all of that could change the very next Congress when we vote on a new rules package.

00:16:44.000 So again, for me, the only thing I can do is continue to be honest with everyone.

00:16:49.000 And I told everyone up front, here's what I'm doing and why.

00:16:53.000 And I'll just continue to do that.

00:16:55.000 So, you know, I just also need to remind everyone, while people are mad at me, President Trump endorsed and supported Kevin McCarthy.

00:17:02.000 Jim Jordan endorsed, supported, voted for, and nominated Kevin McCarthy.

00:17:07.000 Over half of the Freedom Caucus voted and supported Kevin McCarthy.

00:17:12.000 And, you know, the majority of our conference did.

00:17:15.000 And guess what?

00:17:15.000 Our entire conference elected him on Friday.

00:17:18.000 So people that are, you know, overly mad at me, I shouldn't be your punching bag.

00:17:23.000 Be very clear-eyed about what this is.

00:17:27.000 And I'll continue to prove exactly who I am through my actions and not my words and emails, social media posts, and interviews on television.

00:17:35.000 And I'm the first one to say that, look, I was skeptical, and this is my perspective.

00:17:40.000 And I don't know if you share it, Marjorie.

00:17:42.000 I was skeptical of the strategy.

00:17:44.000 And I know all the personal, you know, with Wesley Hunt and with Troy Nels and all of that.

00:17:50.000 But I will say I'm pleased if some of these concessions come to fruition, I'm pleased with them, especially the one on the church and pike committee. 1.00

00:17:59.000 I think that is just fabulous.

00:18:01.000 And also the promise not to spend in open primaries.

00:18:04.000 Marjorie, thank you so much.

00:18:05.000 And can't wait to see.

00:18:07.000 Go ahead really quick.

00:18:10.000 Charlie, it's a fact that Kevin McCarthy was already planning the church committee and he announced it before last week.

00:18:17.000 So again, people are taking credit for making things happen last week that were already happening.

00:18:25.000 And people can look that up.

00:18:27.000 You can look it up, look up when Kevin McCarthy announced the church committee.

00:18:31.000 And I know for a fact he'd been talking about it for months.

00:18:33.000 But I agree with you.

00:18:34.000 The church committee is going to be huge, but the negotiations and the fight on the floor, they can't take credit for all of these things.

00:18:42.000 And I think that's dishonest to do so.

00:18:44.000 But I am happy with some of it.

00:18:46.000 I'm happy for 12 separate appropriation bills.

00:18:49.000 I hate the omnibus bills.

00:18:50.000 I don't think we should ever have any bills.

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:18:55.000 So there are some wins.

00:18:57.000 MTG.

00:18:58.000 Thank you so much.

00:18:59.000 God bless you.

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00:20:02.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite guests.

00:20:05.000 He is very smart as he is entertaining, Daniel Horowitz.

00:20:09.000 Daniel, welcome to the program.

00:20:11.000 Hey, great to be with you.

00:20:12.000 Certainly entertaining times, if nothing else.

00:20:15.000 That's correct.

00:20:16.000 So there's a lot of topics I want to cover with you.

00:20:18.000 Let's first get your unfiltered thoughts.

00:20:21.000 Kevin McCarthy, Speaker of the House, your take.

00:20:24.000 Why did it take 40 years to do this?

00:20:26.000 Why did it take so long?

00:20:29.000 Until now, the thought is that conservatives should remain potted plants in whatever body they are, which typically is, depending on where you are, 10 to 30% of the GOP conference, be it a state legislature, be it Congress, and, you know, the higher the body.

00:20:46.000 So if it's a Senate, there's an even smaller percentage of conservatives.

00:20:50.000 And they have conference votes.

00:20:52.000 Should we read the bill for 72 hours?

00:20:54.000 Should we be able to offer amendments?

00:20:56.000 No.

00:20:56.000 And they'll lose, you know, a ratio of five to one, four to one.

00:21:00.000 And then we go on doing our things.

00:21:02.000 But this was the first time that there was a recognition from 20 members that we are the majority of the party.

00:21:10.000 Now, the reason why they compose such a small percentage of the body is because these guys lie to get elected.

00:21:18.000 They get the industry money.

00:21:20.000 They use the industry money to run on our views.

00:21:23.000 And then they get in there and they lie.

00:21:25.000 So, you know, what I think this is saying is that, look, until you guys could run on what Tom Cole and Kay Granger and Mike Simpson and Fred Upton say privately about us in a primary and win, then it will respect your majority.

00:21:40.000 But otherwise, we are going to lie down on the tracks.

00:21:42.000 That's right.

00:21:43.000 And hostage taking is a good thing because we're not talking about physically hostage taking.

00:21:48.000 We're talking about debate.

00:21:49.000 We're talking about creating inflection points, brinkmanship, in order to say we will not take it anymore.

00:21:58.000 And, you know, look, this doesn't change the fundamentals that obviously the federal government, in my view, is irremediably broken.

00:22:06.000 We need to focus on making red states red again. 0.92

00:22:09.000 But Charlie, what do we need to do?

00:22:11.000 We need to inform people.

00:22:12.000 It's a messaging war.

00:22:13.000 We need to red pill people and we need to take the loincloth away from the GOP establishment so we force a convert or die moment.

00:22:22.000 What this does is it gives us the tools to do all of that.

00:22:26.000 It gives us the tools to force votes, to force oversight that they're too embarrassed to do on their own.

00:22:33.000 And that will hopefully create some of these inflection moments that we're hoping for that will red pill people, red pill Republican voters.

00:22:42.000 And that's kind of my big picture view of what all those concessions accomplish.

00:22:46.000 And I think those were successes.

00:22:48.000 Would you agree?

00:22:49.000 Absolutely.

00:22:50.000 I think on a scale from one to 10, this rebellion was at least a nine.

00:22:53.000 And that's right.

00:22:55.000 I agree.

00:22:56.000 And I was skeptical.

00:22:56.000 Let me tell you why I was skeptical, because the conservative base has not proven strategically prior to know how to navigate a negotiation, right?

00:23:06.000 Daniel, you've been through the debt ceiling stuff.

00:23:07.000 You've been through, I mean, for years, it seems as if we always ask for the order and then we capitulate or we go too far and we push it.

00:23:14.000 I have to give them credit.

00:23:16.000 I was skeptical of their ability to navigate.

00:23:19.000 This was my perspective.

00:23:20.000 People accused me of being pro-McCarthy.

00:23:22.000 I said, no, no, no.

00:23:23.000 I don't have faith in the ability of the Freedom Caucus to pull off a high-stakes deal.

00:23:28.000 And they proved me wrong in that sense because they.

00:23:30.000 This is what is so significant.

00:23:32.000 That is what I think we're all proud of is that we now have a blueprint for how to deal with the GOP establishment.

00:23:40.000 I was involved in all three Boehner coups.

00:23:43.000 And, you know, in the first two, this was the big problem.

00:23:46.000 I mean, they, they back then they needed, I believe in 2013, 15 because they had a larger majority.

00:23:52.000 They needed 15 votes.

00:23:53.000 They had 20 names signed in a blood oath, okay?

00:23:57.000 And they peeled off one by one.

00:23:59.000 They got peeled off.

00:24:00.000 I think they got left with eight or nine in the end holding the bag.

00:24:04.000 And this was always the problem.

00:24:06.000 So I think now everyone knows going forward, they mean business and that you'll always have a critical mass to do the surgery when the surgery needs to be done.

00:24:16.000 And then other people can join.

00:24:18.000 The problem is, it's kind of like a hostage situation on an airplane.

00:24:21.000 You have three hijackers. 0.51

00:24:23.000 Well, you know, there's 100 passengers.

00:24:25.000 You could overtake them, but no one knows who's going to join with him at that critical moment.

00:24:30.000 And this is where we really, really had that in place.

00:24:35.000 But I will say, it is thanks to people like Andy Biggs, Matt Gates, these people that lie down on the tracks and they took it to the next level.

00:24:45.000 They didn't just say, hey, could we get some reforms here?

00:24:49.000 No, they made it clear, we're never voting for you.

00:24:52.000 And what that did is, because McCarthy badly, badly wanted this, that enabled them to create this degree of leverage they wouldn't have had, wouldn't have had it.

00:25:03.000 Charlie, you know, I was with dealing with this several months ago.

00:25:07.000 Back in August is when the Freedom Caucus asked for these rules changes.

00:25:12.000 And it's funny, now everyone's like, yeah, that's obvious.

00:25:15.000 Well, it wasn't obvious.

00:25:16.000 And it got voted down very, very quickly.

00:25:19.000 And it was like, talk to the hand.

00:25:21.000 It wasn't until they won a narrow majority and these guys said, hey, we're going to deny you the votes that suddenly the floodgates of concessions opened up.

00:25:30.000 And this is what they need to take on to state legislative bodies where you'll have 10, 15 conservatives and leadership sells them out and everything.

00:25:39.000 You have to be willing to do things that are uncomfortable, potentially messy, or whatever.

00:25:45.000 Otherwise, you're going to suffer the entire rest of the session with a milquetoast agenda.

00:25:51.000 And I do also want to compliment them on how they ended it because they could have kept this going over the weekend, but the moderates were getting ready to strike back.

00:26:02.000 They had a clear idea of what success looked like and they were willing to take a win.

00:26:08.000 Yeah, no, no, no, that's right.

00:26:10.000 But I would just say they did it on their timeline.

00:26:14.000 It wasn't because they finally gave in to the pressure.

00:26:18.000 It wasn't the pressure.

00:26:19.000 It was just what they got was worth worth taking.

00:26:22.000 It was from a position of strength.

00:26:24.000 No, I agree.

00:26:24.000 I'm just saying that it could, as Alinsky would say, a tactic that goes on too long becomes a drag, right?

00:26:30.000 And so it very well could have, not even the pressure.

00:26:33.000 It just wouldn't have been strategically wise to continue.

00:26:36.000 I mean, what else are you going to ask for?

00:26:39.000 Well, also, part of the thing strategically, too, is the way I view it is, first of all, again, you had to make it clear that McCarthy was unacceptable.

00:26:50.000 If you didn't make it clear you were serious, you wouldn't have gotten those concessions.

00:26:54.000 It's number one.

00:26:55.000 But number two is, and this is important.

00:26:59.000 So part of it is kind of like when I was a kid, I was wondering, why didn't we take out Saddam Hussein? 1.00

00:27:04.000 That was so stupid. 0.97

00:27:06.000 And then, you know, when the ensuing decade came and we had the whole Iraq business with the Sasunnis and the Shias, I was like, oh, that's why we didn't do it. 1.00

00:27:14.000 So I think you had to first pick the fight, had to go over that deadline and had to assess.

00:27:20.000 And they were able to assess what the best play was.

00:27:23.000 And ultimately, what I was saying, the reason why I supported it is because we could have gotten someone else.

00:27:30.000 This notion that he was the only one is absurd.

00:27:32.000 But I do think what ultimately would have happened if you would have gotten someone else is it was never going to be someone like us.

00:27:40.000 So it would have been someone who on paper was slightly better, you know, like a respected, serious conservative.

00:27:50.000 But, you know, then you would have less leverage over that guy, but he wouldn't exactly be where you are.

00:27:56.000 This is kind of like Kevin is so soulless and he just wanted that gavel.

00:28:01.000 It created a unique circumstance where he didn't care and he was willing to give them what they wanted.

00:28:07.000 And Paul Ryan never would have put up with this.

00:28:11.000 Boehner had a lot of power, a lot of power, and he was willing to use it.

00:28:18.000 And conservatives made a deal back in 2015 that turned out to be actually a bad deal.

00:28:26.000 They went and made a deal with Paul Ryan thinking he was more conservative.

00:28:30.000 And here's the lesson.

00:28:31.000 If you're trying to cost an interception.

00:28:34.000 Yeah, when you have a fork in the road between ideological and an ambitious person, go do a deal with the ambitious person because they really want power and they're willing to give you what you want.

00:28:46.000 Daniel, one minute remaining.

00:28:48.000 People like McConnell and Paul Ryan, they believe it's a religious duty to keep people like, you know, Thomas Massey and Chip Roy away from the rules committee, away from, you know, correct.

00:29:00.000 It's part of their catechism.

00:29:01.000 It really is.

00:29:01.000 Yes.

00:29:02.000 That's what it is.

00:29:03.000 McCarthy is like, hey, you know, dude, I just want that picture of me.

00:29:07.000 And that's fine.

00:29:08.000 I can deal with that.

00:29:09.000 I mean, that's not the morals of that aside, okay?

00:29:13.000 Exactly.

00:29:14.000 But that's not ideological, meaning they're willing.

00:29:16.000 It's a pragmatic move.

00:29:17.000 They're willing to give in to those of us that want to see actual structural changes more so than Paul Ryan, who actually, from a technocratic point of view, wants to go turn Ukraine into the 51st state.

00:29:28.000 Daniel, unfortunately, another athlete has collapsed.

00:29:32.000 This was in a college basketball game.

00:29:35.000 I don't know when it happened.

00:29:36.000 I think it happened over the weekend.

00:29:37.000 Is that correct?

00:29:39.000 Yeah, let's play cut 26.

00:29:41.000 I think they walked through it.

00:29:42.000 Play cut 26.

00:29:44.000 Of their game today, keep your eyes on number three, right side of your screen.

00:29:47.000 That's Emo Isian.

00:29:49.000 Sophomore guard stops, then slowly goes down to the ground.

00:29:53.000 Players from both teams visibly upset after watching.

00:29:56.000 Take a look.

00:29:57.000 Number of ODU players were seen crying, looking on, and hoping their teammate was okay.

00:30:02.000 Daniel, I tweeted something rather vague after the collapse of DeMar Hamlin, where I said this is a tragic pattern that we're seeing of athletes suddenly collapsing.

00:30:13.000 I did not say anything about the vaccine.

00:30:16.000 People said I inferred it.

00:30:17.000 I'm just meant, I'm just noticing a pattern.

00:30:19.000 How should we think about this, Daniel?

00:30:21.000 You know, this is not about a statistic of a number of one, an N equals one survey.

00:30:29.000 This is, first of all, there's been over 1,600 of these documented since 2021, but it's more than that.

00:30:36.000 It's theirs.

00:30:37.000 It's VC.

00:30:38.000 It's over 2,700 case studies on vaccine injury.

00:30:42.000 About 1,500 academic studies on vaccine injury.

00:30:45.000 It's the insurance data, medical billing, all the surveys we have.

00:30:50.000 Now, Rasmussen has, it's all of the preponderance of evidence, understanding the mechanism of action, the autopsies in Germany that were done on those with heart ailments, and they found the spike all over the place.

00:31:01.000 You know, I was just looking, this just came out last week.

00:31:05.000 The American Heart Association's journal Circulation, that's their academic journal.

00:31:12.000 They found in those that had myocarditis and children that were diagnosed with it, a month after the shot, there were 436 billion copies of spike protein circulating freely in their plasma.

00:31:27.000 So we know this is happening.

00:31:28.000 Now, you can have one instance where it's a one in a million chance that he gets hit in the chest and maybe it's that that triggered it.

00:31:36.000 Maybe.

00:31:37.000 But you can't put it all together and say this is not happening.

00:31:42.000 And therefore, it is legitimate because it's happening for people to start questioning when they see it in front of their eyes that, yes, maybe this is the spike.

00:31:50.000 But it's a little bit bizarre to me, Charlie.

00:31:53.000 This is not even issue number 10 or 20 or on the map at all on the GOP agenda.

00:31:59.000 I mean, I think there's a lot of talk about the FBI and going after them and the woken weaponized agencies, and that's good. 0.97

00:32:05.000 It's very good.

00:32:06.000 But the whole COVID thing is muted.

00:32:09.000 And the thing is, it would be bad enough if this happened in retrospect and it's over with and we're kind of like letting it go.

00:32:17.000 And that would be bad enough.

00:32:18.000 But this is a live, this is a live ball in play.

00:32:23.000 No pun intended.

00:32:24.000 You have so many people that are ticking time bombs and we need to study how to diagnose this and how to treat it, how to get ahead of this so we don't have more people dropping and certainly eventually hold the people accountable for doing this.

00:32:39.000 And then policy-wise, making sure that these mRNAs don't happen again, even though they're coming out with an RSV mRNA shot as early as this fall.

00:32:49.000 The crime of noticing.

00:32:51.000 Talk about that, Daniel.

00:32:52.000 You're not even allowed to talk about it.

00:32:53.000 In fact, they will come after you with everything they have if you dare notice a pattern.

00:32:59.000 Well, because you can't deny the evidence.

00:33:02.000 So the only thing you can do is ensure people don't see it.

00:33:05.000 And obviously, data is data, but pictures and videos and stories are much more powerful.

00:33:12.000 The imagery of it is much more powerful than all those thousands of studies and data points we pass around every day that doesn't seem to have any effect.

00:33:22.000 But I think it is the crime of noticing.

00:33:24.000 But again, you need the power of a unified movement or party to bring it to the forefront to create an inflection moment that it will force change.

00:33:37.000 And unfortunately, I don't think we're there yet.

00:33:40.000 Although the deal that was made on the structure of the house will make it easier for just a handful of people to raise and elevate the prominence of this issue.

00:33:50.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:33:52.000 And Daniel, I mean, we live in a pharma-captured society and a pharma-captured politics right now.

00:33:59.000 I'm going to be pushing for this new Congress to have some focus, some emphasis on investigating Pfizer, AstraZeneca, not just Fauci, but we need to go after the vaccine companies and the pharmaceutical companies themselves.

00:34:13.000 And I know that there are some people willing.

00:34:15.000 I know that.

00:34:15.000 So they're not a majority, but I know that there are some people willing in this new Congress that would go about this enthusiastically and would find some answers.

00:34:26.000 Daniel, we're out of time.

00:34:27.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:28.000 Great to be with you.

00:34:29.000 Great.

00:34:30.000 Come back soon.

00:34:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:32.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:36.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 10, 2023

MTG Defends The Deal + Athletes Dropping Suddenly with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Daniel Horowitz

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