00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Daniel Horowitz joins us to unpack the speaker's race and then why are athletes continually dropping suddenly?
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00:01:25.000Congresswoman Green, welcome to the program.
00:01:28.000So I want to ask you, you know, we've been receiving a lot of emails over the last, over the weekend, about this deal that was negotiated and the deal that was struck.
00:01:41.000I believe that our friends that were the holdouts, they pushed it to the limit.
00:01:45.000And then they realized that the moderates were getting ready to strike back and they still might strike back on the rules vote.
00:01:52.000Congresswoman, tell us about this deal and tell us about how we are on pace to have the most conservative Congress of our lifetime.
00:02:00.000Well, you know, I've been upfront all along.
00:02:02.000I always love a good fight in our conference and I'm never afraid of one, but I always want it to be for the right thing.
00:02:10.000So I am thankful to my friends and colleagues because there's a few things I like in the package.
00:02:16.000But to be honest with you, they were pretty much already there before last week, before people saw what happened on the House floor.
00:02:23.000But for the American people to see it happen, I think that was helpful.
00:02:28.000It brought the dialogue and the conversations and the agreements that we had made weeks and months before inside our conference meetings, and it brought it out for the public view.
00:02:48.000But that was, again, that was already there before the big fight happened.
00:02:53.000Now, the only change that truly happened with them holding out after 15 rounds was the motion to vacate went from five members down to one member.
00:03:04.000But today we have Anthony Gonzalez from Texas saying that is a no-go for him in the rules package.
00:03:11.000And that has him currently against the rules package tonight.
00:03:15.000I'm going to just lay it out straight for you guys.
00:03:36.000And I'm ready to remove the drama basically out of the news and start putting results in the news for the American people.
00:03:45.000So I just want to reinforce this, though.
00:03:48.000Gonzalez has said he's not going to vote for the rules package.
00:03:52.000Nancy Mace is flirting with the idea of not voting for the rules package.
00:03:56.000Some people in our audience say, Charlie, we should have taken this for weeks.
00:03:59.000We should have kept going months to try to get Kevin not to be speaker.
00:04:04.000Now, you could want that and you can wish that, but the composition of the house is that Kevin McCarthy had 150 to let's say 100 moderates that weren't happy with any sort of conservative changes happening.
00:04:18.000And the moderates were getting ready to strike back.
00:04:24.000Can you just talk about how some of the moderates, more moderate members, Marjorie, have been, you know, not so happy that you're going to be on a committee.
00:04:33.000They're not so happy that, you know, these things are happening.
00:04:38.000Yeah, let me let me give a little perspective for people that there's some things that a lot of people don't know.
00:04:44.000Last week was painful for some members of Congress, and I'll tell you why.
00:04:50.000The holding it out all week long, and I know some people just want to see nothing but full-on fights here in Congress, but holding it out all week hurt a couple of people.
00:05:00.000Roger Williams' wife had a stroke and she was in the hospital.
00:05:05.000He could not go home to be with her because the 20 kept holding out.
00:05:10.000Wesley Hunt, his wife had a baby four weeks early.
00:05:13.000The baby was in the hospital, still in the hospital.
00:05:15.000The wife, his wife, and she had to go to the hospital.
00:05:20.000So there were some very, Kevin Hearn's mother passed away.
00:05:23.000So there were some very personal things happening that the public had no idea about.
00:05:29.000And there were great frustrations that grew while there were basically backroom deals being struck that didn't have anything to do with rules packages.
00:05:38.000It had more to do about, hey, what committee assignments and things like that.
00:06:50.000So I want people to know that not just because someone calls themselves conservative or someone is a moderate, it doesn't mean that they're always right or they're always wrong.
00:07:02.000I want people to take personalities off the table.
00:07:05.000Let's just be about doing the job, the job that we're elected to do.
00:07:09.000And that's what I'm imploring everyone in our conference to do.
00:07:13.000And that's what I'm asking our voters and the base and people that really care about MAGA and America First.
00:07:19.000Let's do that because I'm tired of being the party of never.
00:07:23.000I want to be the party that fights the Democrats, defeats their radical ideology.
00:07:28.000And I want to be the party that actually proves to the American people that we're America first and we are for them all the way.
00:07:36.000So there was a very interesting phone call that took place.
00:07:41.000And some of the holdouts were losing support amongst the people that I communicate with.
00:07:48.000So I was communicating with some great grassroots patriots, some big donors that were with some of the holdouts because they were getting some information about a blowup of some conversation, all that.
00:07:58.000But then they said, listen, if it's Friday evening and you're still voting for somebody that has no chance to be speaker, and my theory is on the 14th round of voting that there was a miscommunication, that somebody thought the threshold was something that it wasn't.
00:08:15.000And that this is my working theory, that they actually thought that it was going to pass.
00:09:20.000He's the only guy I'm supporting for 2024.
00:09:23.000And he is, in fact, the leader of the Republican Party.
00:09:26.000His early endorsement and support for Kevin McCarthy, it helped us hold the 201 Republicans supporting and voting for Kevin McCarthy the entire week.
00:10:45.000And he was throwing his hand up and refusing to talk to President Trump.
00:10:49.000But I'm telling you, that was key in everything that was happening.
00:10:54.000And it was also, I want you to know, that pressure within our conference of these poor members and their families and these terrible issues that were happening.
00:11:44.000I can't imagine anybody being upset about having the gavel, gavel and the control here in the House because we've been under Nancy Pelosi while she has been leading the effort and the legislation and the attacks on our country, our Constitution, and the American people.
00:12:01.000And she has been getting the job done for Joe Biden.
00:12:04.000Well, that ended on Friday night because we got the gavel.
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00:14:12.000And I'd like to remind everyone listening that the whole reason why we have Congress on record in the 117th Congress is because I led the effort demanding recorded votes on the House floor, not letting any bills pass by voice.
00:14:27.000All of my legislation that I've introduced is America first.
00:14:30.000All of my votes are America first and for the MAGA agenda.
00:14:34.000So I'm going to let my actions continue to speak for themselves.
00:14:38.000And the reason why I didn't engage in holding out to Kevin McCarthy is because the rules package was already there before we started voting on Monday.
00:14:48.000I didn't make this about a personality.
00:14:50.000I don't like the never Trump movement.
00:14:52.000I don't like the never movement in our party.
00:14:54.000I want to see real action done and we can do that with our voting cards.
00:15:00.000So for this listener, I really do appreciate her question, but we have the power of our voting cards and we have to get to 218 on every single bill passed.
00:15:09.000With 222 members of Congress, the one great thing you saw last week from my 20 friends and colleagues in the House Freedom Caucus, and by the way, I'm a member of the House Freedom Caucus, is that we can stop anything from passing and we can continue to make sure bills are exactly where they need to be.
00:15:28.000I'll continue to be part of that effort and people can just continue to know I haven't changed and they'll see that for themselves coming up.
00:15:36.000So what committee, Marjorie, are you going to be on so we can have you release the dogs on all these treacherous cockroaches?
00:15:45.000Again, I never demanded or I don't have a deal.
00:15:49.000So I'm having to go going to have to go through the steering assignments and the steering committee to get my committee assignments, just like every single member of Congress should be doing.
00:17:15.000Our entire conference elected him on Friday.
00:17:18.000So people that are, you know, overly mad at me, I shouldn't be your punching bag.
00:17:23.000Be very clear-eyed about what this is.
00:17:27.000And I'll continue to prove exactly who I am through my actions and not my words and emails, social media posts, and interviews on television.
00:17:35.000And I'm the first one to say that, look, I was skeptical, and this is my perspective.
00:17:40.000And I don't know if you share it, Marjorie.
00:17:44.000And I know all the personal, you know, with Wesley Hunt and with Troy Nels and all of that.
00:17:50.000But I will say I'm pleased if some of these concessions come to fruition, I'm pleased with them, especially the one on the church and pike committee.
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00:20:29.000Until now, the thought is that conservatives should remain potted plants in whatever body they are, which typically is, depending on where you are, 10 to 30% of the GOP conference, be it a state legislature, be it Congress, and, you know, the higher the body.
00:20:46.000So if it's a Senate, there's an even smaller percentage of conservatives.
00:21:20.000They use the industry money to run on our views.
00:21:23.000And then they get in there and they lie.
00:21:25.000So, you know, what I think this is saying is that, look, until you guys could run on what Tom Cole and Kay Granger and Mike Simpson and Fred Upton say privately about us in a primary and win, then it will respect your majority.
00:21:40.000But otherwise, we are going to lie down on the tracks.
00:22:13.000We need to red pill people and we need to take the loincloth away from the GOP establishment so we force a convert or die moment.
00:22:22.000What this does is it gives us the tools to do all of that.
00:22:26.000It gives us the tools to force votes, to force oversight that they're too embarrassed to do on their own.
00:22:33.000And that will hopefully create some of these inflection moments that we're hoping for that will red pill people, red pill Republican voters.
00:22:42.000And that's kind of my big picture view of what all those concessions accomplish.
00:22:56.000Let me tell you why I was skeptical, because the conservative base has not proven strategically prior to know how to navigate a negotiation, right?
00:23:06.000Daniel, you've been through the debt ceiling stuff.
00:23:07.000You've been through, I mean, for years, it seems as if we always ask for the order and then we capitulate or we go too far and we push it.
00:24:06.000So I think now everyone knows going forward, they mean business and that you'll always have a critical mass to do the surgery when the surgery needs to be done.
00:24:23.000Well, you know, there's 100 passengers.
00:24:25.000You could overtake them, but no one knows who's going to join with him at that critical moment.
00:24:30.000And this is where we really, really had that in place.
00:24:35.000But I will say, it is thanks to people like Andy Biggs, Matt Gates, these people that lie down on the tracks and they took it to the next level.
00:24:45.000They didn't just say, hey, could we get some reforms here?
00:24:49.000No, they made it clear, we're never voting for you.
00:24:52.000And what that did is, because McCarthy badly, badly wanted this, that enabled them to create this degree of leverage they wouldn't have had, wouldn't have had it.
00:25:03.000Charlie, you know, I was with dealing with this several months ago.
00:25:07.000Back in August is when the Freedom Caucus asked for these rules changes.
00:25:12.000And it's funny, now everyone's like, yeah, that's obvious.
00:25:21.000It wasn't until they won a narrow majority and these guys said, hey, we're going to deny you the votes that suddenly the floodgates of concessions opened up.
00:25:30.000And this is what they need to take on to state legislative bodies where you'll have 10, 15 conservatives and leadership sells them out and everything.
00:25:39.000You have to be willing to do things that are uncomfortable, potentially messy, or whatever.
00:25:45.000Otherwise, you're going to suffer the entire rest of the session with a milquetoast agenda.
00:25:51.000And I do also want to compliment them on how they ended it because they could have kept this going over the weekend, but the moderates were getting ready to strike back.
00:26:02.000They had a clear idea of what success looked like and they were willing to take a win.
00:26:24.000I'm just saying that it could, as Alinsky would say, a tactic that goes on too long becomes a drag, right?
00:26:30.000And so it very well could have, not even the pressure.
00:26:33.000It just wouldn't have been strategically wise to continue.
00:26:36.000I mean, what else are you going to ask for?
00:26:39.000Well, also, part of the thing strategically, too, is the way I view it is, first of all, again, you had to make it clear that McCarthy was unacceptable.
00:26:50.000If you didn't make it clear you were serious, you wouldn't have gotten those concessions.
00:27:06.000And then, you know, when the ensuing decade came and we had the whole Iraq business with the Sasunnis and the Shias, I was like, oh, that's why we didn't do it.
00:27:14.000So I think you had to first pick the fight, had to go over that deadline and had to assess.
00:27:20.000And they were able to assess what the best play was.
00:27:23.000And ultimately, what I was saying, the reason why I supported it is because we could have gotten someone else.
00:27:30.000This notion that he was the only one is absurd.
00:27:32.000But I do think what ultimately would have happened if you would have gotten someone else is it was never going to be someone like us.
00:27:40.000So it would have been someone who on paper was slightly better, you know, like a respected, serious conservative.
00:27:50.000But, you know, then you would have less leverage over that guy, but he wouldn't exactly be where you are.
00:27:56.000This is kind of like Kevin is so soulless and he just wanted that gavel.
00:28:01.000It created a unique circumstance where he didn't care and he was willing to give them what they wanted.
00:28:07.000And Paul Ryan never would have put up with this.
00:28:11.000Boehner had a lot of power, a lot of power, and he was willing to use it.
00:28:18.000And conservatives made a deal back in 2015 that turned out to be actually a bad deal.
00:28:26.000They went and made a deal with Paul Ryan thinking he was more conservative.
00:28:31.000If you're trying to cost an interception.
00:28:34.000Yeah, when you have a fork in the road between ideological and an ambitious person, go do a deal with the ambitious person because they really want power and they're willing to give you what you want.
00:28:48.000People like McConnell and Paul Ryan, they believe it's a religious duty to keep people like, you know, Thomas Massey and Chip Roy away from the rules committee, away from, you know, correct.
00:29:17.000They're willing to give in to those of us that want to see actual structural changes more so than Paul Ryan, who actually, from a technocratic point of view, wants to go turn Ukraine into the 51st state.
00:29:28.000Daniel, unfortunately, another athlete has collapsed.
00:29:32.000This was in a college basketball game.
00:29:57.000Number of ODU players were seen crying, looking on, and hoping their teammate was okay.
00:30:02.000Daniel, I tweeted something rather vague after the collapse of DeMar Hamlin, where I said this is a tragic pattern that we're seeing of athletes suddenly collapsing.
00:30:13.000I did not say anything about the vaccine.
00:30:38.000It's over 2,700 case studies on vaccine injury.
00:30:42.000About 1,500 academic studies on vaccine injury.
00:30:45.000It's the insurance data, medical billing, all the surveys we have.
00:30:50.000Now, Rasmussen has, it's all of the preponderance of evidence, understanding the mechanism of action, the autopsies in Germany that were done on those with heart ailments, and they found the spike all over the place.
00:31:01.000You know, I was just looking, this just came out last week.
00:31:05.000The American Heart Association's journal Circulation, that's their academic journal.
00:31:12.000They found in those that had myocarditis and children that were diagnosed with it, a month after the shot, there were 436 billion copies of spike protein circulating freely in their plasma.
00:31:37.000But you can't put it all together and say this is not happening.
00:31:42.000And therefore, it is legitimate because it's happening for people to start questioning when they see it in front of their eyes that, yes, maybe this is the spike.
00:31:50.000But it's a little bit bizarre to me, Charlie.
00:31:53.000This is not even issue number 10 or 20 or on the map at all on the GOP agenda.
00:31:59.000I mean, I think there's a lot of talk about the FBI and going after them and the woken weaponized agencies, and that's good.
00:32:24.000You have so many people that are ticking time bombs and we need to study how to diagnose this and how to treat it, how to get ahead of this so we don't have more people dropping and certainly eventually hold the people accountable for doing this.
00:32:39.000And then policy-wise, making sure that these mRNAs don't happen again, even though they're coming out with an RSV mRNA shot as early as this fall.
00:32:52.000You're not even allowed to talk about it.
00:32:53.000In fact, they will come after you with everything they have if you dare notice a pattern.
00:32:59.000Well, because you can't deny the evidence.
00:33:02.000So the only thing you can do is ensure people don't see it.
00:33:05.000And obviously, data is data, but pictures and videos and stories are much more powerful.
00:33:12.000The imagery of it is much more powerful than all those thousands of studies and data points we pass around every day that doesn't seem to have any effect.
00:33:22.000But I think it is the crime of noticing.
00:33:24.000But again, you need the power of a unified movement or party to bring it to the forefront to create an inflection moment that it will force change.
00:33:37.000And unfortunately, I don't think we're there yet.
00:33:40.000Although the deal that was made on the structure of the house will make it easier for just a handful of people to raise and elevate the prominence of this issue.
00:33:52.000And Daniel, I mean, we live in a pharma-captured society and a pharma-captured politics right now.
00:33:59.000I'm going to be pushing for this new Congress to have some focus, some emphasis on investigating Pfizer, AstraZeneca, not just Fauci, but we need to go after the vaccine companies and the pharmaceutical companies themselves.
00:34:13.000And I know that there are some people willing.
00:34:15.000So they're not a majority, but I know that there are some people willing in this new Congress that would go about this enthusiastically and would find some answers.