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00:01:49.000 Okay, everybody, I had the opportunity to go to Tucker Carlson's barn and sit down for a two-hour conversation with him.

00:01:57.000 First, Tucker's a great friend, and he's doing such amazing journalism and work.

00:02:03.000 We've known each other for well over 10 years and have had a phenomenal friendship.

00:02:07.000 And it was great to actually be able to go on his podcast for the first time.

00:02:10.000 We talked about a lot here.

00:02:12.000 This conversation is going viral for a reason.

00:02:15.000 We talk about Gen Z. We talk about Russia Gate. 0.98

00:02:17.000 So I'm going to kind of usher you through this entire conversation and give you some intros throughout all of it, just some extra thoughts, things to add on top of that conversation.

00:02:27.000 But first, make sure you guys subscribe to our YouTube channel, hit the bell, go in the comments and leave your comments and your feedback to this conversation.

00:02:35.000 And text this episode to your friends for the annotated version of my viral conversation with Tucker Carlson.

00:02:41.000 We begin in kind of a funny, comical way where Tucker comes right out of the gate and we talk about Russia Gate.

00:02:48.000 Honestly, can we get three cheers for Tulsi Gabbard?

00:02:50.000 Tulsi Gabbard is doing a phenomenal job.

00:02:53.000 She is really serving the president wonderfully and getting to the bottom of what happened in the 2020 election.

00:03:00.000 We start right out of the gate of RussiaGate.

00:03:02.000 Are we finally going to be able to get to the bottom of this?

00:03:05.000 And will people like Barack Obama finally be able to go to jail?

00:03:09.000 So it looks like we're finally going to get the details of RussiaGate.

00:03:15.000 Like, what was that?

00:03:18.000 It seemed manufactured at the time.

00:03:20.000 It seemed fake.

00:03:22.000 It was confusing.

00:03:23.000 Like, where did this come from?

00:03:24.000 All of a sudden out of nowhere, we all hate Russia and Trump is a Russian agent, something that no one had ever said before.

00:03:30.000 And then it just saturated the media and it was the only topic for a couple years.

00:03:35.000 And no one ever kind of went back to examine like how?

00:03:40.000 How do you create a story out of nothing and then convince Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, New York Times to write about it every day?

00:03:48.000 I think we're going to find out now.

00:03:49.000 Do you think?

00:03:50.000 I think we're going to find out now.

00:04:10.000 Well, great to be here, Tucker.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, I hope so.

00:04:13.000 Sorry, Carol.

00:04:14.000 It's great to see you.

00:04:17.000 You know, as I get older, my manners just evaporate.

00:04:19.000 This is like Frost Nixon.

00:04:20.000 You know, it's like straight in.

00:04:21.000 It's like, sorry.

00:04:22.000 It's like the first question.

00:04:24.000 So why'd you burn the tapes?

00:04:28.000 Why didn't you burn the tapes?

00:04:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:29.000 Great to be here, Tucker.

00:04:31.000 Yes, I would go even a step further because the war right now happening between Russia, Ukraine, and the West's support of it actually was an extension of Russia Gate.

00:04:40.000 Oh, thank you for saying that.

00:04:41.000 Because part of one of the unintended consequences of Russia Gate, unintended, I think actually intended, but unintended from our perspective, because we were so focused on the Trump component, was how it was desensitizing the Democrat Party to hate Russia.

00:04:54.000 If you think about it, Donald Trump was the worst villain ever in the history of the world, according to the Democrat Party.

00:05:00.000 So they needed to have an explanation as to how this guy won.

00:05:04.000 Because of course, it can't be the fact that they de-industrialized Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, flooded the country with a bunch of illegals and allowed opioids into the country.

00:05:11.000 There must be another reason.

00:05:13.000 So they tried Cambridge Analytica first.

00:05:15.000 Do you remember that was the first attempt?

00:05:17.000 Yes.

00:05:17.000 The Cambridge Analytica thing that was Donald Trump's ability to get in the back end of Facebook.

00:05:22.000 That's why he won.

00:05:23.000 But that didn't really satisfy the Democrats.

00:05:26.000 And so simultaneously, we know this because the Russia narrative came ex nihilo.

00:05:31.000 It came out of nowhere.

00:05:33.000 That's the way it felt.

00:05:34.000 I was completely confused.

00:05:36.000 And Tulsi is getting to the bottom of it.

00:05:38.000 And I'm not going to pretend to know all the details of what she's working on.

00:05:40.000 And I've been cheering her on, sending her text messages saying, you go, Tulsi, you go, because it's so wrong what happened to President Trump and so wrong what happened to our country.

00:05:48.000 But when you think about it, it desensitized the entire Democrat Party to then have a very negative view of Russia, even beyond a normative Western view of Russia, as if Donald Trump is an attaché of the Kremlin.

00:06:02.000 And if you hate Trump, you therefore must also hate Putin and Russia.

00:06:06.000 So fast forward to Putin's invasion of Ukraine, you had the entire Democrat Party and the base of the Democrat Party that used to be anti-war, that used to be where the Ben and Jerry's guy was.

00:06:17.000 You had him on your show.

00:06:18.000 It was great.

00:06:19.000 But the rank and file kind of had a subdued response at best to the financing of the Russian-Ukrainian war, largely because of Russiagate, because so many base Members of the Democrat Party and the activists were led to believe that Donald Trump only became president because of the assistance of the Kremlin.

00:06:38.000 So smart.

00:06:39.000 And can I just add one parenthetical note that a lot of them were pro-Russia when it was Soviet?

00:06:45.000 Correct.

00:06:46.000 Because the Soviet Union was above all anti-Christian.

00:06:49.000 And then when the country became Orthodox again, it was easy to hate it again. 1.00

00:06:54.000 Yes.

00:06:54.000 And if you, I mean, you know this, you helped lead the, I don't want to say even anti-war, just the skepticism from the West viewpoint that why are we sending all this money to Ukraine?

00:07:03.000 Is it good for us?

00:07:04.000 That used to be a left-wing thing that used to always be driven from the base of the Democrat Party.

00:07:09.000 And from AOC to Elizabeth Warren to Bernie Sanders, they were largely silent on the amount of money that we sent to Ukraine.

00:07:15.000 So why?

00:07:16.000 Is it because they started to love war?

00:07:19.000 No, it's because Putin became an acceptable villain for the Democrat Party, because they made the archetype of villain and the archetype of Putin and Trump to be kind of one and the same.

00:07:30.000 That all goes back to Russia Gate. 0.86

00:07:32.000 It goes back to the lie of the dirty dossier.

00:07:36.000 It goes back to how our intel agencies were then used inwardly against us.

00:07:41.000 And that has really been the story the last 30 to 40 years.

00:07:44.000 And you deserve a lot of credit for covering this, which is our Intel services are supposed to gather intelligence and defend the homeland and to keep us domestically safe.

00:07:52.000 But it turns out they're actually more about picking winners and losers in American elections and to thwart the will of popular sovereignty.

00:08:01.000 So I hope that we get to the bottom of this because we are still dealing with the real world ramifications.

00:08:07.000 You have to wonder how many Ukrainians and Russians, by the way, because people are dying on both sides of this war that are made in the image of God, are unnecessarily dead because of what our intel services did in 2016 and 2017.

00:08:20.000 I don't think that can be said enough.

00:08:21.000 Thank you for saying it again, that our position, I would say the war itself.

00:08:25.000 I mean, I think the Biden administration provoked Russia into it by declaring that Ukraine was being part of NATO.

00:08:33.000 That's my interpretation.

00:08:34.000 I think it's true.

00:08:35.000 But even if you don't buy that, we seamlessly moved from no war with Russia into an actual war with Russia, and very few people said anything about it.

00:08:45.000 And I think the reason they didn't is because they had just spent the last three years hearing about how Putin was the worst person in the world.

00:08:52.000 He was our main enemy.

00:08:53.000 Not the Chinese, actually, not the Indians, not anybody else. 0.90

00:08:56.000 No, it was Russia.

00:08:59.000 So do you expect that people will be held accountable for it?

00:09:04.000 I hope so.

00:09:04.000 I mean, look, I don't know what's in the details.

00:09:06.000 I don't know what's in the documents.

00:09:08.000 We kind of have a little bit of a teaser.

00:09:09.000 We saw last week what Tulsi said.

00:09:11.000 She said there's more coming.

00:09:13.000 And basically what we learned last week, for everyone that was hopefully enjoying your summer, not glued to your phone, you know, nonstop over the weekend, we learned that Obama personally ordered an Intel report.

00:09:23.000 It's like, hey, was it true that Russia was behind this election?

00:09:27.000 And from my understanding, the report said no, Russia was not behind this election, did not manipulate votes.

00:09:31.000 Trump was not elected because of Russia.

00:09:33.000 This was in December of 2016 in a private classified Intel briefing.

00:09:38.000 That is now declassified thanks to Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:09:43.000 What is even more chilling, though, which goes back to Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and James Comey, is how the FBI and the CIA seem to be working on the same page.

00:09:51.000 The FBI was almost doing the domestic bidding of the CIA.

00:09:55.000 And you have to wonder how much of this RussiaGate situation was the insurance policy that Peter Strzzok famously put in his text messages.

00:10:02.000 Remember, he was going back and forth with his lover, Lisa Page, where he was saying, hey, don't worry, we have an insurance policy.

00:10:11.000 You have to wonder what exactly was that.

00:10:14.000 And my contention is that that was the Russiagate situation, that they had this dossier paid for by the Democrat Party with Clinton funds to then illegally be able to spy on the Trump campaign as an extension of that, create this entire narrative.

00:10:29.000 And, you know, part of what also needs to be said is how much of Trump won was stolen from President Trump and the mandate of the people because of Russia.

00:10:38.000 You know, it's very funny.

00:10:39.000 I was thinking about where was I and where were we as a country back in July of 2017, six months into Trump's term back in Trump 1.

00:10:48.000 We had Jeff Sessions basically completely sidelined because of his, you know, I have to recuse myself.

00:10:56.000 And honestly, an unnecessary recusal.

00:10:58.000 I think that he never should have recused himself.

00:11:00.000 We had Bob Mueller.

00:11:02.000 Let me just say that, whatever you think of what Sessions did or why he did it or whatever, I'm probably the only person willing to give him credit for, you know, a good faith mistake.

00:11:11.000 I think it was obviously a mistake.

00:11:12.000 He was also great on crime, by the way.

00:11:13.000 Sessions was actually really good on violent crime.

00:11:15.000 But they were a separate issue.

00:11:16.000 Beats up on Jeff Sessions.

00:11:17.000 I know Jeff Sessions very well.

00:11:19.000 Jeff Sessions is no liberal.

00:11:21.000 Jeff Sessions is a really decent man.

00:11:23.000 Jeff Sessions made a big mistake, in my opinion, by recusing himself, but he didn't do it to sabotage Trump.

00:11:29.000 He was the first senator to endorse Trump.

00:11:31.000 He loved Trump.

00:11:32.000 So whatever.

00:11:32.000 The whole thing was a tragedy.

00:11:33.000 But my point is, wherever you stand on that, it separated the president from his attorney general.

00:11:40.000 And then Rod Rosenstein was running the entire DOJ.

00:11:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:44.000 That true Trumper, Rod Rosenstein, right?

00:11:47.000 So we had Rod Rosenstein of Baltimore.

00:11:49.000 Right, exactly.

00:11:50.000 As good as it gets.

00:11:50.000 So Trump was without a Department of Justice with his first term at this point, basically.

00:11:55.000 We had Bob Mueller like lurching back under the surface, like coming back from, you know, they brought him out of retirement.

00:12:04.000 And he was kind of in a Biden state at that point.

00:12:07.000 Remember his interview?

00:12:08.000 You didn't know where he was or what was going on?

00:12:09.000 Poor man.

00:12:10.000 Yeah.

00:12:10.000 I just had a side note.

00:12:11.000 We're learning kind of how the modern technocratic Democrat Party works, which is bring an old guy with an amazing biography by DC standards.

00:12:19.000 Who happens to have dementia?

00:12:20.000 Yeah, just put him in the chair.

00:12:22.000 And then all of these 30-something lawyers that went to Yale and Harvard will do all the work.

00:12:25.000 It's kind of how a technocratic state works.

00:12:27.000 But anyway, think about where we were in Trump one, which I think is really important and how we're in a profoundly better position we are today.

00:12:34.000 The first year of the Trump presidency and then year two or three were largely stolen by this whole Russia gate situation is that President Trump was constantly on defense.

00:12:44.000 He was constantly having to defend himself.

00:12:45.000 He had Mueller looking into Manafort, looking into Cohen, looking into all of his close associates, which of course the report came out and showed no collusion and all stemming from a lie.

00:12:57.000 And that's the kicker.

00:12:58.000 So to answer your question, I hope People start to go to jail.

00:13:01.000 We need perp walks, we need handcuffs, we need mass arrests because you're not allowed to steal precious time of a presidency away from the American people that otherwise would have been spent on governing.

00:13:12.000 You have such a good memory.

00:13:14.000 Um, one of the advantages of 31, no, no, not at all.

00:13:18.000 I just threw a second.

00:13:20.000 I'm impressed.

00:13:21.000 Who really runs our government?

00:13:23.000 That's what Tucker and I talk about next.

00:13:25.000 It is now the fight against the intel agencies.

00:13:27.000 All roads lead to the CIA and the Intel agencies.

00:13:30.000 And it really comes down to this question of who is in charge of this nation.

00:13:35.000 Now, mind you, I did not come into this interview prepared to talk about this, but as a talk show host and a radio guy, I can talk about it almost anything at any time.

00:13:42.000 And so we talked about this question of what is the fourth branch of government and who's really in charge?

00:13:47.000 I also think it's just important to know that federal intel and law enforcement agencies are not allowed to form their own separate, unaccountable government and run affairs of state.

00:13:57.000 That's a nightmare scenario that puts you in a dictatorship, totally insulated from the public.

00:14:03.000 I mean, voters have no way to control that.

00:14:05.000 That's not a democracy.

00:14:06.000 That's a dictatorship.

00:14:07.000 And that's where we are.

00:14:09.000 And I just feel like it's important to expose that and to punish those responsible.

00:14:15.000 Without a doubt.

00:14:16.000 And this is now the big fight in front of Trump too.

00:14:20.000 And everyone knows it.

00:14:21.000 We ran on it.

00:14:22.000 We said it.

00:14:23.000 And I think we're now going to get massive action in that direction from hopefully Cash and Dan and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, the whole gang.

00:14:31.000 They're focused on this.

00:14:32.000 And I think they're looking for the right place to strike, which is who actually runs this government.

00:14:36.000 Exactly.

00:14:37.000 The first term, we were kind of under this very naive idea that the people run the government.

00:14:42.000 That's what I thought.

00:14:43.000 And then we were like, well, it's the lobbyists.

00:14:45.000 And it's, and you're right.

00:14:46.000 Yes.

00:14:46.000 Remember?

00:14:47.000 It's the lobbyists.

00:14:48.000 It's Santa.

00:14:49.000 It's K-Street. 0.90

00:14:50.000 It's like, yeah, okay.

00:14:54.000 So true.

00:14:55.000 But now, but after, I think, seven or eight years, and it's taken time, we're finally back to where a lot of the Hillsdale crowd has been.

00:15:02.000 And Dr. Larry Arn has been to his great credit.

00:15:04.000 It's the administrative state and the intel agencies.

00:15:07.000 It's this fourth branch of government that the founders never created.

00:15:09.000 They never designed.

00:15:10.000 There was no intent for.

00:15:12.000 And that fourth branch of government is unaccountable, has unknown biographies of people that are running it.

00:15:18.000 And they're there for unlimited amounts of time.

00:15:19.000 There's no term limits.

00:15:20.000 They're not elected.

00:15:21.000 And they're unelected.

00:15:23.000 There are, and I don't want to put you in a comfortable situation.

00:15:25.000 You don't need to comment on this, just brief aside, but we actually have civilian control, the control of elected leaders over those agencies, the president, of course, but also members of Congress.

00:15:37.000 We have the community.

00:15:38.000 We have the intelligence boards, too.

00:15:40.000 Right.

00:15:41.000 And we have something called the Senate Intel Committee.

00:15:44.000 Right.

00:15:45.000 And the person leading that, you don't have to comment on that.

00:15:50.000 I think Tom Cotton's one of the most sinister people in the U.S. government.

00:15:53.000 It's like, your job is to make sure the CIA doesn't form its own separate, unaccountable government.

00:15:59.000 And yet he's all in on CIA, where his wife used to work.

00:16:03.000 Like he is serving CIA.

00:16:06.000 And what about his constituents in Arkansas?

00:16:08.000 What about the rest of us?

00:16:10.000 Why isn't the guy in charge of keeping the CIA's behavior within constitutional bounds accountable to the president of the United States?

00:16:17.000 Why isn't he doing that?

00:16:18.000 And I just find it enormous.

00:16:19.000 And I know that there are lots of good things about Tom Cotton.

00:16:21.000 He's a nice guy.

00:16:22.000 He's very smart.

00:16:23.000 But like, what the hell?

00:16:24.000 Why does no one say that?

00:16:25.000 And let me say this also.

00:16:27.000 There are whispers that this next bill is going to be passed, whatever perfunctory bill they have to pass, is going to try to neuter DNI, is that they want to try to wall off Liberty Crossing.

00:16:39.000 It wants Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Kent, and the other people, the Director of African Intelligence and that whole apparatus.

00:16:48.000 Which was created after 90%.

00:16:49.000 Which is hilarious because it was created by the worst people.

00:16:52.000 Exactly.

00:16:53.000 And now it's actually a center.

00:16:54.000 It's a central nervous system for us to look under the hood and they know it.

00:16:58.000 Right.

00:16:59.000 And so, again, I don't know all the details of this.

00:17:01.000 I just, someone texted me yesterday and they said, hey, we have to make sure that Tulsi does not get basically, you know, neutered in this whole process that it just kind of becomes a ceremonial.

00:17:11.000 She's the one person you shouldn't doge. 1.00

00:17:13.000 No, in fact, Tulsi, and this is very important.

00:17:15.000 The Intel agencies by far have the least proportional civilian control versus careers.

00:17:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:17:22.000 CIA has like three or four.

00:17:24.000 And Ratcliffe is, you know, fighting for his life there.

00:17:26.000 And it's like, who runs?

00:17:27.000 You know, you have all these unknown amounts of people and what are they doing?

00:17:31.000 And it's a black box budget.

00:17:32.000 And I believe that all roads lead back to the Intel agencies on all this stuff.

00:17:36.000 And so, but Tulsi is now getting under the hood.

00:17:38.000 This revelation of Russia Gate is massive.

00:17:40.000 It's huge.

00:17:40.000 I know.

00:17:41.000 And God bless her for doing this.

00:17:42.000 And I know the president cares about it personally as he should, because how much of his life and his energy was just spent defending against a fabrication, not a fabrication of the Chinese Communist Party, by the way, not a fabrication of our adversaries, a fabrication of our own government.

00:17:58.000 That's what makes this so sinister, is that our own government was turned against the duly elected president.

00:18:04.000 So here we are now in the year of our Lord 2025.

00:18:07.000 Who's running the United States government?

00:18:09.000 Great question.

00:18:09.000 And President Trump, he is now the hunter.

00:18:12.000 He was the hunted back in the first term.

00:18:14.000 I know what the grassroots want.

00:18:16.000 I know what President Trump wants.

00:18:17.000 We need perp walks.

00:18:18.000 We need arrests.

00:18:19.000 We need accountability.

00:18:20.000 And if we do not smash the administrative state and the deep state in the coming six to 12 months, then we're actually not going to, we're not going to bring this entire intelligence apparatus to heal.

00:18:32.000 We have to lance the boil because it's gone so out of control.

00:18:35.000 And I can tell you, they are deeply fearful of this movement.

00:18:39.000 They know that we are aware.

00:18:41.000 They know that we are noticing things, that we're seeing patterns, that we know how powerful the intelligent agencies have become.

00:18:47.000 And so that's why I think Russia Gate really matters, is that it's a way to hold them accountable to see how dark and honestly demonic their activities have become. 0.87

00:18:56.000 Yes.

00:18:57.000 And hopefully an opportunity to fulfill a mandate that President Trump ran on and I still know believes to this day, which is to bring the deep state to hopefully smash it or at the very least bring it back into balance.

00:19:09.000 Now, in this part of the conversation, I dive deeper into the question of what really is the deep state?

00:19:14.000 Where does it come from?

00:19:16.000 What is the outgrowth of?

00:19:18.000 How many branches of government are we supposed to have? 0.82

00:19:21.000 What is the administrative state?

00:19:22.000 And what is the shadow government?

00:19:24.000 We dive deep into this, Tucker and I, and we examine this from all angles.

00:19:29.000 And we Make a pretty good argument that if we do not assail the deep state, bring it to heel, lance the boil, then we are not going to have a country.

00:19:38.000 President Donald Trump has pledged to reign in the deep state.

00:19:41.000 It's more important than ever.

00:19:43.000 Watch.

00:19:44.000 And the deep state is the intelligencies.

00:19:46.000 Well, that's the shadow government, right?

00:19:48.000 It's not the deep state.

00:19:50.000 It's not the education.

00:19:51.000 If I could chime in, so there's two types of deep state, right?

00:19:53.000 There's the Department of Education, deep state.

00:19:55.000 They just, they just slow things down.

00:19:57.000 That's their only, they leak and they delay.

00:19:59.000 Right.

00:20:00.000 That's it.

00:20:00.000 That's the deep state of the Department of Labor.

00:20:02.000 So they, oh, you're getting some sort of executive order we don't like.

00:20:05.000 We're going to leak it to the Washington Post.

00:20:06.000 We're not going to do it.

00:20:07.000 You tell us.

00:20:07.000 So we're just going to delay and we're going to last.

00:20:09.000 Okay, fine.

00:20:10.000 We can deal with leaking and delaying.

00:20:12.000 The third of which, though, which the Department of Labor is not doing, they're not configuring their agency against the sovereign.

00:20:18.000 No, right?

00:20:19.000 They're probably not killing anyone.

00:20:20.000 No, exactly.

00:20:21.000 So the intel agencies in its, you know, in its inherited composition from Joe Biden and how it's been for the last 40 years, leaking and delaying, they're like, that's child's play.

00:20:31.000 Okay.

00:20:31.000 We're going to go do dirty dossiers.

00:20:33.000 We're going to spy.

00:20:34.000 We're going to employ feds. 1.00

00:20:36.000 We're going to use special agents, double agents.

00:20:38.000 We're going to use five eyes.

00:20:39.000 We're going to rely on our foreign partners to spy on Americans domestically because we can't do that. 0.97

00:20:43.000 And they'll share the intelligence.

00:20:45.000 And so a lot of focus kind of goes on, let's just say the lazy slop of the people at the Department of Interior.

00:20:53.000 Okay, fine.

00:20:54.000 We can clean that up.

00:20:55.000 God bless the people that want to do that.

00:20:58.000 But if we do not focus the energy of this movement on the administrative state, then we are going to have elections in name only.

00:21:06.000 And I know the president understands this because he lived through a thwarted first term largely because of the intel agencies and what we would like to call the shadow government.

00:21:17.000 Trump is 97 charges against him all in?

00:21:20.000 Yes.

00:21:21.000 Speaking of which, why don't we know what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania?

00:21:25.000 Remember that day when Donald Trump got shot and he was only millimeters away from dying?

00:21:30.000 Why is it that we have more questions than answers?

00:21:33.000 What happened on Butler, Pennsylvania?

00:21:34.000 I try not to take too much time thinking about Butler.

00:21:37.000 Butler is a very deep topic.

00:21:40.000 In fact, I'd love you guys to be in the comments, tell me what your theories are about what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:21:45.000 And we need arrests.

00:21:46.000 I don't even know if arrests are necessary because we don't know who else was involved.

00:21:49.000 How about this?

00:21:50.000 Let me just rephrase that.

00:21:51.000 We need answers.

00:21:52.000 We're left with a lot more questions than answers.

00:21:55.000 And we still don't know what happened on July 13th.

00:21:57.000 We certainly don't at Butler.

00:21:59.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:00.000 Why don't we know that, Dino?

00:22:02.000 I don't.

00:22:02.000 I don't know.

00:22:03.000 And I know that we have the right.

00:22:06.000 We could not have better people in those positions.

00:22:10.000 At the top.

00:22:11.000 You know Dan Bongino well.

00:22:13.000 I could speak very high for his integrity.

00:22:15.000 Oh, I love Dan.

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 And so I'm going to, they need to act on this.

00:22:20.000 Yep.

00:22:21.000 And I have no, I don't have much more to say than that, but I don't know.

00:22:24.000 FBI needs to and specifically the FBI on that.

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 And the FBI is stonewalling.

00:22:30.000 And it's not Bongino.

00:22:32.000 It's not Cash Patel.

00:22:33.000 It's that I know of.

00:22:35.000 I mean, I don't know, actually.

00:22:36.000 But I know that they're stonewalling on that.

00:22:38.000 And I think it's very weird.

00:22:39.000 They still can't get into Crooks' devices.

00:22:42.000 The whole thing is so busy.

00:22:43.000 Really?

00:22:43.000 Because they can read my text messages, I notice.

00:22:47.000 They can read your signal messages.

00:22:49.000 And they have.

00:22:50.000 Which is even worse than text messages.

00:22:52.000 I haven't even shot anybody.

00:22:54.000 I will.

00:22:55.000 You're not Dick Cheney.

00:22:57.000 I will go a step further.

00:22:58.000 I try to not spend too much time on July 13th.

00:23:02.000 I agree.

00:23:02.000 It's bad for my brain.

00:23:03.000 Totally agree.

00:23:04.000 It's so weird.

00:23:05.000 It's so bizarre.

00:23:06.000 I like spending time with my wife and my kids.

00:23:09.000 And I try to have a very focused subset of issues that I get passionate about.

00:23:13.000 That's how I feel.

00:23:14.000 Things that I can't get to answers on will drive me endlessly insane.

00:23:19.000 So I want one day to find out what happened on July 13th because by only the grace of God and by a millimeter is Trump alive and is Trump president.

00:23:29.000 If you can murder presidential candidates, it's not a democracy, obviously.

00:23:33.000 And get away with it.

00:23:34.000 And get away with it.

00:23:35.000 Right.

00:23:35.000 But they just can't get into his devices.

00:23:37.000 I mean, he had no social media profile.

00:23:39.000 How did he get on the roof?

00:23:40.000 And how was it unguarded?

00:23:42.000 And then it was two days before the Republican National Convention.

00:23:46.000 Again, if you were to kind of go in a dark place, which again, this is all speculation, it felt like, well, this is our last chance before he's the nominee.

00:23:54.000 Because you know what happens once you're the nominee, you get secret service protection.

00:23:58.000 And this is an unknown element of this.

00:24:00.000 Literally, as soon as you get to become the nomination, bylaws of secret service, whatever, you get equal presidential protection.

00:24:08.000 So he had a bunch of like DHS hangovers, you know, no offense to the people that were protecting him on the day of Butler, some of which did a great job, some of which are not people I would necessarily, you know, go to war with.

00:24:19.000 No.

00:24:20.000 Just, you know, more, more of the TSA agent mold than the secret service agent mold.

00:24:24.000 And again, that's not a criticism of them.

00:24:26.000 So if you want to get like really dark and go in that direction, you have to ask those questions.

00:24:29.000 But I try not to focus too much on Butler because I think it actually leads you in a place where you ask more questions and we have answers.

00:24:35.000 I have the same instincts.

00:24:39.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:25:35.000 That's alanjackson.com slash Charlie.

00:25:38.000 I'll see you there.

00:25:42.000 And now we get into the meat of the conversation.

00:25:44.000 How many of you in this audience know about the four letters BNPL?

00:25:49.000 Brian, do you know BNPL?

00:25:51.000 Buy now, pay later?

00:25:52.000 You probably know it.

00:25:53.000 You could, you know, tickets from Klarna or a firm or after pay.

00:25:57.000 I wanted to bring something to this conversation with Tucker Carlson that was new, that was not yet covered.

00:26:02.000 Something that is important to the next generation, but has not getting the attention it deserves.

00:26:08.000 I talk about the issues that Generation Z actually cares about: economics, home ownership, and owning things.

00:26:16.000 You see, the globalists want you to own nothing and to be happy.

00:26:20.000 I make the argument that if you own nothing, you get radical politics and you get very unhappy people.

00:26:26.000 So you are, I think, well, you are, more in touch with young voters than any other single person in American politics, certainly on the Republican side.

00:26:37.000 You're way more effective than the RNC, though I think they have a bigger budget than you.

00:26:42.000 We get along great with you.

00:26:43.000 I'm not quite sure what that, well, then I don't want to cause you problems.

00:26:46.000 I have no idea what to do with that.

00:26:47.000 Back when Rana was running, we were very vocal about getting rid of Rana McRomney.

00:26:54.000 I think you're the most effective Republican organizer.

00:26:56.000 Certainly among young people you are.

00:26:57.000 And you deal with them and you wait into the crowd and you go to college campuses and you debate people and you have a tactile sense, I think, of what younger voters care about.

00:27:07.000 And so I'll just ask you the obvious question.

00:27:08.000 What do they care about?

00:27:10.000 So there's a race against the clock that's happening right now.

00:27:14.000 And I think President Trump is uniquely suited to fix it.

00:27:17.000 He has to fix it, which is can we reorder the economic reality of under 30s before dark political radicalization sets in?

00:27:27.000 The economic reality.

00:27:29.000 Correct.

00:27:30.000 There's a topic that's never broached.

00:27:32.000 Well, here we go.

00:27:33.000 No, but it's just interesting before you, it's interesting.

00:27:35.000 That's your first answer.

00:27:38.000 The economics.

00:27:39.000 I have always noticed, and I am insulated from a lot of that stuff.

00:27:43.000 I'll admit, I don't really notice.

00:27:47.000 I would be otherwise if I didn't spend as much time because we do very well.

00:27:51.000 We're in the top income bracket.

00:27:53.000 Well, I just noticed no one talks about it.

00:27:55.000 So I think that's weird.

00:27:57.000 People used to talk about economics.

00:27:58.000 They don't anymore.

00:27:58.000 So you think that that's economics is the number one issue for young people.

00:28:03.000 Oh, if we don't address it, we go to dark places.

00:28:05.000 What does that mean?

00:28:06.000 So a couple things.

00:28:07.000 Number one, the rise of Mamdani should be a, it's a coming attraction of what is coming next. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Mamdani.

00:28:13.000 Zoran Mamdani, the Muslim communist that is running for mayor in New York City, who obviously there's a whole rabbit hole we can go down there. 0.97

00:28:24.000 He just looks kind of be like central casting and his ideas are terrible.

00:28:28.000 He wants the city to run the grocery stores, all that.

00:28:30.000 But I think everyone's kind of, not everyone, but most people are missing the point of really what this is.

00:28:35.000 This is yet another distress signal by young people to say, hey, if you're not going to fix our life economically, we're going to get very radical politically.

00:28:44.000 Now let's take a step back.

00:28:45.000 President Trump won the youth vote in many states across the country, in many battleground states.

00:28:49.000 Now, Tucker, 12, 13 years ago when I started Turning Point, if you would have told me that a Republican running for the presidency would be winning the youth vote in Michigan and in Arizona, I'd say, no way.

00:29:00.000 It's an incomprehensible accomplishment of what President Trump was able to do.

00:29:04.000 One of the reasons he was able to win younger voters and younger men, especially in big numbers, is that they were trying to get their leaders' attention.

00:29:12.000 They said, hey, this guy, Donald Trump, he is pledging to go fix our economic anxiety.

00:29:19.000 He is loud.

00:29:20.000 He is going to get your attention.

00:29:22.000 Donald Trump was a distress signal by a lot of young people, especially young men, that were stuck in a credit-centric renter economy.

00:29:35.000 And again, this is what is the rise of Mom Donnie. 1.00

00:29:37.000 It's just another iteration of this, only from the left, which is a credit-centric renter economy. 0.92

00:29:45.000 Yes, which is the way that we need to focus, that we need to kind of frame this.

00:29:48.000 And conservatives, I think I know why, are just so unwilling to have this conversation.

00:29:55.000 And I'm not even going to get into what we should do about it.

00:29:57.000 I think I have some good ideas.

00:29:59.000 Trust me, I'm not a socialist.

00:30:00.000 I'm a market guy.

00:30:01.000 I like capitalism.

00:30:02.000 I think markets are good.

00:30:03.000 I think entrepreneurship is good.

00:30:05.000 But we need to kind of paint this picture first because I think so many, I know this for certain.

00:30:09.000 So many people in DC have no idea what I'm talking about when I bring this up to them.

00:30:13.000 And secondly, a lot of people over 50 think this is a foreign concept and they think, quite honestly, this is just the complaining of young people that don't want to work.

00:30:22.000 So let me kind of paint this picture.

00:30:23.000 It is harder than ever to own a home.

00:30:25.000 We know this, but how much harder?

00:30:27.000 Back when my parents had to go own a home, the price of a home.

00:30:30.000 How old are your parents?

00:30:31.000 They're early 70s.

00:30:33.000 So late 60s, early 70s.

00:30:35.000 So baby boomers. 0.99

00:30:37.000 And so, and great parents, by the way, phenomenal upbringing, great values.

00:30:41.000 So back when they wanted to go buy a home in their beginning income years, you know, 1970s, 1980s, home prices were on average about three times the average income in America.

00:30:52.000 They are now seven times the average income in America.

00:30:56.000 Rents have gone up inflation adjusted from about $900 a month to now about $1,500 a month.

00:31:02.000 Inflation adjusted.

00:31:03.000 Inflation adjusted.

00:31:04.000 The age of a first-time homebuyer in 2008 was 30 years old.

00:31:10.000 It is now 38 years old.

00:31:12.000 First-time homebuyer.

00:31:14.000 So when we have a picture of a first-time homebuyer, you think of, you know, kind of a toddler in one arm, a dog, you're trying to figure it out.

00:31:21.000 38 years old.

00:31:23.000 So what is causing this?

00:31:24.000 Well, number one, I don't want to get like too Ron Paul libertarian, but the Federal Reserve pumping in cheap money post-2008 has just been a catastrophe.

00:31:33.000 We have spent too much money, borrowed too much money.

00:31:35.000 We have deteriorated our currency.

00:31:37.000 And the purchasing power every generation is getting weaker.

00:31:40.000 So your dollar is actually going, it's going, it's going less and less as far as it has year over year.

00:31:48.000 So then what is the consequence of this?

00:31:50.000 So you have a generation that is renting a lot more than it's owning.

00:31:53.000 So when you do not own something, why would you defend it?

00:31:58.000 And so you find then political radicalization start to seep in because an entire generation is getting routinely cynical year over year as their net worth either stays at zero or goes into negative.

00:32:11.000 We talk more about BNPL here, the new financial scam, and it's secretly enslaving Gen Z. If you're a young person out there, be very careful taking out this pay things in four parts type collateralization.

00:32:23.000 It's a scam.

00:32:24.000 Stay away from it.

00:32:26.000 We are a debt-financed society and increasingly a debt-financed generation.

00:32:32.000 This is a major problem that is enveloping young people all across the country.

00:32:37.000 And we need to proceed with caution.

00:32:39.000 And I think we need to talk about this forcefully and openly.

00:32:43.000 Now, my question for every Republican senator and congressman watching this: if you do not know these four letters, then you are not doing your job.

00:32:50.000 B-N-P-L. 1.00

00:32:52.000 Do you know what that means?

00:32:52.000 No clue.

00:32:53.000 Buy now, pay later.

00:32:55.000 Buy now, pay later is how 60%, according to surveys, of Generation Z is paying for things month to month.

00:33:03.000 They're not credit cards.

00:33:04.000 So they're not, this is not regulated by credit bureaus.

00:33:07.000 It's not regulated with credit checks.

00:33:09.000 It's basically anything from Amazon to Instacart, groceries, clothing, furniture.

00:33:15.000 You can finance anything.

00:33:16.000 It's BNPL.

00:33:18.000 It's run by three main companies, Klarna, Affirm, and AfterPay.

00:33:23.000 And essentially, you're 21, 22 years old.

00:33:26.000 You can split a pizza into four payments.

00:33:29.000 Sounds great, right?

00:33:30.000 This is the modern tech economy.

00:33:32.000 Buy a pizza on credit?

00:33:33.000 Yes.

00:33:34.000 You right now.

00:33:35.000 What's happening now?

00:33:36.000 You can go to Instacart right now and either through Klarna, Affirm, or Afterpay.

00:33:41.000 Those are the three big actors.

00:33:42.000 These are non-credit regulated bureaus.

00:33:44.000 Shut those down tomorrow.

00:33:46.000 No, I'm serious.

00:33:47.000 I'm so offended.

00:33:48.000 By the way, two of them are foreign companies, just so we're one is a Swedish company and one is an Australian company.

00:33:53.000 I did a deep dive into this.

00:33:55.000 You can buy a pizza on credit?

00:33:57.000 Yes, you can buy almost anything on credit.

00:33:59.000 Concert tickets.

00:34:00.000 You can buy.

00:34:01.000 So when I, I'm a big sports fan.

00:34:03.000 I'm a huge Chicago Cubs fan.

00:34:04.000 You know, it's just fun.

00:34:05.000 I grew up in Chicago.

00:34:06.000 When I go to buy tickets at Wrigley Field, they say, you know, finance this over the next three years using Klarna.

00:34:11.000 Actually?

00:34:12.000 Yes.

00:34:13.000 Concert tickets, Taylor Swift tickets.

00:34:14.000 I mean, so what you have is a workaround.

00:34:17.000 What's the collateral?

00:34:19.000 There's no credit score.

00:34:21.000 So it's just you.

00:34:22.000 It's like your social security.

00:34:23.000 They're collateralizing you.

00:34:24.000 So it's very high risk for the quote unquote lender, but they have the late fees and the penalties make these companies eventually whole because they know they got you.

00:34:35.000 And again, this is not regulated by traditional credit bureaus.

00:34:37.000 So the federal government has not really weighed in on this yet.

00:34:40.000 And again, you could your younger folks can affirm everything I'm saying.

00:34:45.000 I'm not just right.

00:34:46.000 I mean, am I correct?

00:34:48.000 I'm not making any of this up.

00:34:49.000 It's BNPL.

00:34:50.000 So when I sit down with a Republican side.

00:34:52.000 I never think of myself as out of it or not in touch or whatever.

00:34:56.000 I flatter myself that I've got my thumb on the pulse of the country.

00:35:00.000 I am shocked.

00:35:01.000 I've heard people refer to this.

00:35:02.000 I didn't realize you could, if you can buy a pizza on credit, someone needs to.

00:35:06.000 So, but, but here's, here's the kicker and your groceries.

00:35:10.000 The belief is that Gen Z is doing this to live above their means. 0.68

00:35:15.000 Some.

00:35:16.000 Most are actually doing this to meet their means.

00:35:21.000 That's the definition of predatory.

00:35:24.000 Right.

00:35:24.000 And so, again, this is not structurally healthy debt.

00:35:28.000 So there's an argument for debt if you have a mortgage because the whole system is kind of rigged towards mortgages.

00:35:32.000 Of course it is.

00:35:33.000 You could deduct the interest.

00:35:34.000 The asset price goes up.

00:35:35.000 It's hard to get off the mortgage addiction.

00:35:37.000 I did it, but there's an argument for it.

00:35:40.000 You take your lumps if you don't have a mortgage.

00:35:42.000 And I think there's an argument that's actually an okay and reconcilable type of debt.

00:35:47.000 I know smart people have mortgages.

00:35:49.000 If you are in investment banking and you have student loan debt and that student loan certificate, you know, that credential got you to the investment bank, okay, you bet on yourself.

00:35:57.000 Maybe that's justified.

00:35:58.000 Again, I'm very anti-college, as you know.

00:36:00.000 There's really no place where you can make an argument that financing your whole foods order is good for you.

00:36:07.000 But to do that to young people who really, I mean, I'm 56 and I'm still terrible with money.

00:36:13.000 I mean, it's hard.

00:36:14.000 It's hard.

00:36:15.000 And I don't think I'm not lazy and I don't think I'm profligate, but I also think I'm easily fooled because I'm distracted.

00:36:23.000 And if I was 21, imagine how much more unsophisticated I would be and how much more vulnerable to predatory behavior like that.

00:36:33.000 And everything is so easy because everything is digital now.

00:36:36.000 I mean, that's an awful thing to do to young people.

00:36:39.000 And it creates a subterranean debt market that a lot of these young people think this is how you pay for stuff.

00:36:44.000 They haven't been educated else.

00:36:45.000 Otherwise, they're like, oh, yeah, I'll just, you know, pay for that meal in five installments.

00:36:50.000 What are the interest rates like?

00:36:52.000 They can get very high.

00:36:53.000 I don't want to speak out of turn, but they can get to be double digits.

00:36:56.000 Right.

00:36:56.000 And so that's really where they get you is the late fees.

00:36:58.000 This is bonkers.

00:37:00.000 And so it's not, it's not regulated by traditional APR.

00:37:03.000 So this is a very, it's a gray area.

00:37:05.000 And I think people are finally waking up.

00:37:06.000 So, hey, Republicans.

00:37:08.000 Can you tell me the name of the three companies again?

00:37:10.000 So it's a firm.

00:37:11.000 A firm.

00:37:12.000 A firm.

00:37:13.000 Kalarna.

00:37:16.000 And Afterpay.

00:37:17.000 Afterpay.

00:37:18.000 Which is the American one. 0.73

00:37:19.000 I believe so.

00:37:20.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 So one of them was bought by Box and is operated by Square, which I believe is Kalarna.

00:37:27.000 I don't want to speak out a term here.

00:37:28.000 One of them was still Australian run, but it's run by Box.

00:37:31.000 It might be Afterpay.

00:37:32.000 Someone can fact check me on this.

00:37:33.000 But those are the three big actors.

00:37:35.000 And they've kind of just gone below the surface.

00:37:38.000 So we create all this economic anxiety by pumping the system with cheap money.

00:37:42.000 Everything gets more expensive.

00:37:44.000 Meanwhile, we have millions of young people that are financing their Coachella tickets, but it's not through credit cards.

00:37:51.000 Because in credit cards, we have a very regimented, regulated system.

00:37:55.000 I think the card of credit cards are a disaster and we need to kind of figure that out.

00:37:59.000 But this is a totally different thing.

00:38:01.000 And so what they've done is they've tried to create a loophole and federal regulators are slow as they typically are.

00:38:07.000 And they're like, oh, no, this is not credit cards.

00:38:08.000 This is something else.

00:38:09.000 This is like a repayment thing.

00:38:11.000 It's like buy now, pay later.

00:38:13.000 And it's the opposite of what built the West.

00:38:16.000 What built the West is work now, pay after.

00:38:22.000 So you're going to like, well, meaning like we will enjoy things later.

00:38:26.000 That's what built the West.

00:38:27.000 This is like enjoy things now and pay for it later.

00:38:31.000 It is a, you know what I don't like about conservatives and I am one is that it would never occur to the some of them that there are two sides to the story.

00:38:40.000 It's like immediately, you know, they blame the people who are, you know, buying Coachella tickets on credit, which I get.

00:38:46.000 You shouldn't buy Coachella tickets on credit or your pizza or your whole food store.

00:38:49.000 I totally agree with that. 1.00

00:38:50.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:38:51.000 But they never, it doesn't occur to them that there's another side, that the people loaning the money are taking advantage of the dumb people borrowing the money, that Both are culpable. 1.00

00:39:01.000 And by the way, I think the people with more power and more wisdom are probably more culpable morally than the people who are in other words.

00:39:10.000 Like, are we matter at the drug user or the drug dealer?

00:39:13.000 And it's typically the dealer, but conservatives look at all economic arrangements and they never blame the dealer.

00:39:19.000 And I don't know what that is.

00:39:20.000 Like, how about we'll blame everybody?

00:39:22.000 It's bad.

00:39:23.000 I think the reason, and it's a tick within the conservative movement, is that all of a sudden we're Marxists if we do that.

00:39:29.000 And I think that they're no, I'm not saying, I don't believe that.

00:39:31.000 No, no, but you're absolutely right.

00:39:33.000 It's like I'm a racist if I don't like mass immigration. 0.96

00:39:35.000 Well, I don't like mass immigration, but I'm not a racist.

00:39:38.000 I don't like this and I'm not a Marxist.

00:39:40.000 Like it's just name-calling to stop you from raising the question.

00:39:43.000 It's thought terminating clichés is what it is.

00:39:46.000 It's so good.

00:39:47.000 Right.

00:39:47.000 It's stop thinking it because we're going to terminate your thought by calling you a Marxist or whatever.

00:39:52.000 And do I think this should be illegal?

00:39:54.000 I don't know.

00:39:55.000 Probably.

00:39:55.000 I need to learn more about it.

00:39:56.000 All I'm saying is I am here as a messenger of the next generation.

00:40:00.000 I'm telling you, this is bad.

00:40:02.000 This generation can't own anything. 1.00

00:40:05.000 They owe so much more money than generations prior.

00:40:08.000 This is the most indebted generation in history.

00:40:11.000 And I double check that.

00:40:12.000 Gen Z owes the most money in any history, any generation in history. 1.00

00:40:17.000 So we wonder why then all of a sudden, hey, you want to go buy a home now at the age of 38, your credit score is destroyed.

00:40:24.000 Your spending habits are terrible.

00:40:26.000 You don't want to save and you don't think you should save.

00:40:28.000 And you know what I hear from some of them is they say, well, why should I save when what I saw around me is that you need to get into this economy and spend, spend, spend because the savers got wrecked in 2008.

00:40:41.000 Again, that's an oversimplification, but there is economic nihilism that has set in to a lot of this next generation where they're not participating in any of the upside right now, any of the upside of the last five years.

00:40:54.000 In fact, they're only seeing the downside.

00:40:56.000 They're seeing their apartments get smaller, their rents go up, their groceries get more expensive.

00:41:02.000 Now, mind you, I think President Trump is, again, he's uniquely positioned to solve this.

00:41:06.000 I think that his one big beautiful bill is going to help.

00:41:08.000 And I think growth will help this and lowering interest rates.

00:41:11.000 But let me just say, though, why do I say it's a race against the clock?

00:41:13.000 And here's why it should concern conservatives.

00:41:16.000 Because when I'm at dinner parties raising money, some of our donors are a little indifferent about this.

00:41:20.000 They'll have kind of like a, hey, pull yourself up by the bootstraps attitude.

00:41:23.000 That's hard to shake.

00:41:24.000 I don't have that attitude.

00:41:25.000 I actually have a lot more compassion for the 23-year-old that is working a double, double shift and can't afford anything.

00:41:32.000 But even if you don't care about them, you're not going to like the politics that comes in that.

00:41:36.000 But how did we wind up on the side of the moneylenders?

00:41:38.000 I mean, at no other time in history is that big considered a virtuous business at all.

00:41:42.000 I know a million people in that business, finance, we call it, but I don't understand why they became immune from criticism.

00:41:51.000 And that's, I mean, there are places where, you know, loaning, I borrowed a lot of money in my life and I'm grateful for it and all that.

00:41:59.000 But I don't think it's virtuous.

00:42:02.000 And I don't think we should say that it's virtuous.

00:42:04.000 And I don't think the people who should do it, who do it should be above criticism.

00:42:07.000 I don't know why is the right participating in basically a cover-up of a crime against people.

00:42:13.000 Or even like from my perspective, why is the right so blind to the suffering of the young people that just gave you a Senate majority?

00:42:21.000 Oh, a fail.

00:42:23.000 Good question.

00:42:25.000 This is a generation that just put you in charge of all your committees. 1.00

00:42:28.000 Young people, thank you.

00:42:30.000 They should be saying, thank you, younger voters.

00:42:32.000 You voted Republican in overwhelming numbers.

00:42:34.000 That's one of the reasons, again, I like Dave McCormick a ton, so I'm not throwing him into this, but younger voters helped put Dave McCormick as a U.S. senator.

00:42:40.000 And I think he gets this more so than most.

00:42:42.000 Donald Trump built this movement of younger voters that galvanized the nation.

00:42:47.000 Again, this is the untold story of the 2024 election is how Donald Trump won the youth vote in so many parts of the country.

00:42:52.000 Okay, so what are they experiencing?

00:42:54.000 They own nothing.

00:42:56.000 They're renting constantly.

00:42:58.000 And they're involved in this scam of a credit-based economy.

00:43:02.000 Everything is based on credit.

00:43:04.000 And so then what it does is it deteriorates your capacity to have equity.

00:43:08.000 And so again, I'm not here to propose like a solution of all these different policy requirements.

00:43:13.000 All I'm saying is how about some national attention for this?

00:43:16.000 How about there's going to be a conversation about it?

00:43:19.000 There's going to be a policy solution imposed on the rest of us, which is just stealing your stuff.

00:43:23.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:43:23.000 So that's what I'm, this is where the continuum, whatever you want to call it, the spectrum, you know, whatever DC term, we're here in kind of, again, I am a market guy.

00:43:34.000 I like private property.

00:43:36.000 I agree.

00:43:36.000 I like trading.

00:43:37.000 I like when I meet someone good at their craft and they're a carpenter or they're a small business owner.

00:43:42.000 I actually want to save markets.

00:43:44.000 And if we don't do something about this, you're going to get a Venezuelan style youth-led revolt.

00:43:51.000 And I am not exaggerating because what I see right here is with this next generation, younger voters, young men in particular, they're going right.

00:43:58.000 They hate all the cultural stuff. 0.96

00:43:59.000 The trans stuff's driving them crazy. 1.00

00:44:01.000 The hyper-feminization of the economy, which we should talk about because I want to talk about that.

00:44:05.000 The whole economy has become feminized the last couple of decades and no one has the courage to really talk about it. 1.00

00:44:11.000 That's not just female empowerment. 1.00

00:44:13.000 It's more than that.

00:44:13.000 No, because we went from blue-collar jobs to pink-collar jobs.

00:44:17.000 I don't want to, I can't wait.

00:44:19.000 Nobody interrupted me.

00:44:20.000 We could talk about pink collar in a second because that's super important because male unemployment is significantly higher than female unemployment. 1.00

00:44:27.000 But let's put a little button in that and just revisit in a second.

00:44:29.000 So if we want to prevent more Zoron Mamdanis, we want more people to own stuff. 1.00

00:44:35.000 The more that we own homes, the more that you are able to own property, the more likely that people are going to embrace conservative policies and reject the more radical fringe elements of society.

00:44:47.000 What is the driving force of Zoron Mamdani?

00:44:50.000 The driving force of AOC and Bernie Sanders is they are capitalizing on economic resentment and bitterness.

00:44:57.000 If you don't pay a mortgage, you're much more likely to go burn down a Wendy's, march in a BLM parade, become a radical environmentalist.

00:45:03.000 It fills a purpose void that you have in your heart.

00:45:06.000 Right now, young people, their entire lives are disordered, and it's up to us to try to reorder them. 1.00

00:45:13.000 This is a very important part of the conversation that has gone significantly viral.

00:45:18.000 Political radicalism needs a catalyst.

00:45:21.000 Political radicalism does not come out of peace, prosperity, rising wages, stable families, church attendance, and happy people.

00:45:28.000 Happy people, grateful people do not get behind Vladimir Lenin, and they certainly don't get behind Chavez or Castro.

00:45:35.000 That's right.

00:45:36.000 People that own nothing, that feel like their property is diminishing, they don't have property, or their dollar is diminishing in value, they start to look for alternatives.

00:45:44.000 And so, the political project in front of us as conservatives should be: how do we actually de-radicalize the country in the next couple of years?

00:45:52.000 That's my obsession.

00:45:54.000 And that's why I say I try not to think about all this other stuff because it just, you know, it's so much brain space.

00:45:58.000 My number one obsession is I know what is coming next because nobody spends more time on college campuses than me.

00:46:04.000 I hate to like pull rank on that, but I spend 100 hours a semester on college campuses.

00:46:10.000 And you're getting no credits?

00:46:12.000 No, I get no credits for that.

00:46:13.000 I still don't have a college degree.

00:46:15.000 No, I love that.

00:46:16.000 No, but I, but I listen more.

00:46:17.000 And that's the thing.

00:46:18.000 I know you ask, hey, you know, people ask all the time, hey, why do you do these campus events?

00:46:21.000 Why don't you just give a speech?

00:46:22.000 Because I listen as much as I talk.

00:46:24.000 And I put my microphone down and these videos have been seen around the world and people have grown familiar.

00:46:30.000 But almost all of them are like, Charlie, I don't know what to do.

00:46:32.000 Like trading crypto till 2 a.m. and kind of, you know, betting that the Green Bay Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

00:46:39.000 That's not enough for me.

00:46:40.000 Charlie, what can we do?

00:46:41.000 And one of the reasons they voted for Trump is they said, President Trump, please reorder this economy for us because it's severely disordered.

00:46:49.000 And so the Republican Party currently is focused on a lot of stuff.

00:46:54.000 I get it.

00:46:54.000 You have a lot of constituencies to serve, but we have participated, we being the body politic, the last 20 years, especially the last 10, in a concerted effort of intergenerational theft.

00:47:07.000 And if you don't care, Mom Dani is just the beginning.

00:47:11.000 So someone, you know, in the next 10 years is going to shut it down because the public doesn't want this at all.

00:47:19.000 They don't want.

00:47:20.000 Shut what down? 0.98

00:47:21.000 Shut down just the parasite economy. 0.92

00:47:23.000 Oh, yeah, you know, it's going to get shut down.

00:47:25.000 This is, and everyone participating in it knows that.

00:47:28.000 They're trying to steal as much as they can before it gets shut down.

00:47:30.000 So the question is, is it shut down by Teddy Roosevelt or is it shut down by Hugo Chavez?

00:47:35.000 Well, and here's the brilliance of Teddy Roosevelt.

00:47:37.000 So there's a lot of anti-Roosevelt fervor on the right.

00:47:40.000 Some of it is.

00:47:41.000 Yeah.

00:47:42.000 Why?

00:47:42.000 Well, not a lot.

00:47:43.000 I should say amongst the intellectuals. 0.92

00:47:46.000 They're the worst.

00:47:47.000 Why do they dislike Teddy Roosevelt?

00:47:48.000 So part of it, I get.

00:47:49.000 Part of it is that he was.

00:47:51.000 The war craziness.

00:47:53.000 Well, actually, it's funny.

00:47:54.000 He actually ended the Russia, the Russia, Russia, Rush-Russia, Japanese war.

00:47:57.000 I think he got a Nobel Prize for it, if I'm not mistaken, right?

00:48:00.000 Yep.

00:48:00.000 Did he get a Nobel Peace Prize for it?

00:48:01.000 I don't know.

00:48:02.000 But anyway, he deserved one.

00:48:03.000 It was a bloody war.

00:48:04.000 No, some would say that Roosevelt began the progressive era.

00:48:09.000 I think that's an over description.

00:48:11.000 I don't want to get into that because I'm not that interested in that.

00:48:13.000 What I'm interested in, though, is how Roosevelt was one of the few, we were one of the few powers to successfully manage the transition from the farms to the factories.

00:48:23.000 And that's hard when you think about it.

00:48:24.000 You have your entire population that is moving into cities.

00:48:28.000 That transition, if done incorrectly, creates a ruling class that is untouchable.

00:48:32.000 So Roosevelt was like, actually, I'm here to save capitalism.

00:48:35.000 I'm here to save markets.

00:48:36.000 And he did.

00:48:37.000 And he did.

00:48:37.000 And that is the enduring legacy of Roosevelt.

00:48:40.000 Obviously, the national parks, which my wife and I are enjoying right now and untouched beauty, which I think is amazing.

00:48:45.000 And just the fact that he was a hunter and outdoorsman and like a man's man and super masculine and all that was awesome.

00:48:51.000 I don't, I don't love the fact he ran for president in 1912 out of bitterness, but that's a whole separate thing.

00:48:55.000 He gave us Woodrow Wilson because of that.

00:48:58.000 It's hard to decelerate for guys like no, I mean, he's, you know, I know the type.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:49:03.000 But his legacy that I want us to, the Rooseveltian, whatever, I don't think that's the right term.

00:49:09.000 Let's coin it.

00:49:10.000 The Rooseveltian energy or aura to use a Gen Z term is, hey, don't be ideological.

00:49:17.000 Have a prudential aim.

00:49:18.000 What do we want?

00:49:19.000 We want an ownership economy.

00:49:21.000 We want people that feel invested, that have real equity.

00:49:24.000 So how do we get there non-ideologically?

00:49:26.000 because we actually want to preserve markets because we want a country.

00:49:32.000 I hope people in charge are listening to you.

00:49:33.000 I don't.

00:49:34.000 Well, the president listens to me.

00:49:35.000 He's amazing.

00:49:36.000 People in Capitol don't listen to me.

00:49:38.000 They need to listen to you.

00:49:39.000 What you're saying is true.

00:49:40.000 Well, thank you.

00:49:41.000 And I, again, I am, this is going to sound really cringe, but like in some ways, people have compared me to like Paul Revere.

00:49:47.000 And it's like, I'm warning of something that is coming.

00:49:49.000 Like the Bolsheviks are coming. 0.96

00:49:50.000 The Bolsheviks are coming. 0.96

00:49:51.000 I wrote a book on this and no one paid any attention.

00:49:53.000 Well, I did.

00:49:54.000 No, but I'm saying it's gotten so much worse and your explanation is so much more vivid than anything I came up with.

00:50:02.000 And you have the credibility that I did not have, which is someone who's, well, doesn't have a college degree and is constantly on college campuses.

00:50:11.000 I just hope they're, I hope they're listening because this is the story.

00:50:14.000 This is, this is the biggest story happening that has not yet happened.

00:50:17.000 And that's what I always say is that it's happening, but it hasn't yet happened on the front page.

00:50:21.000 And when it does, don't be shocked when all of a sudden people are calling for a 75% wealth tax and they want a 50% tax on capital gains.

00:50:29.000 Totally right.

00:50:30.000 And so what Roosevelt, just to complete the Roosevelt point, is that when you know what you want and you can aim towards it, you can shed yourself off the bumper sticker logic.

00:50:40.000 Yes.

00:50:41.000 And you can get towards something practical and prudent, real and beautiful.

00:50:46.000 The best leaders in American history, the ones that are underrated, honestly, the Roosevelts and the Eisenhowers, they were non-ideological.

00:50:53.000 Exactly.

00:50:53.000 They were nationalistic.

00:50:55.000 They were America first.

00:50:56.000 They loved the country.

00:50:58.000 And they weren't like caring about whether or not they were fitting a mold of a think tank white paper.

00:51:03.000 And TR was a sincere Christian, a sincere Christian.

00:51:06.000 Yes.

00:51:06.000 And I believe Eisenhower was as well.

00:51:07.000 I can't, I actually don't know.

00:51:10.000 So the statesmanship dilemma of today is can you either challenge or convince?

00:51:19.000 Because one of the others, the ruling class, that this is necessary.

00:51:24.000 And I don't think convincing is going to work.

00:51:26.000 No.

00:51:27.000 So you have to challenge them.

00:51:28.000 And hilariously, it's actually the best thing for them because otherwise they're coming for their mansions and they're coming for their assets and they're coming for their companies.

00:51:38.000 And I don't want to live in that country.

00:51:39.000 I do not want to live in South Africa.

00:51:41.000 I don't want to live in a resentment, bitterness country where I have to drive around in armored cars all the time and I can't leave my house after 10 p.m.

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00:52:45.000 We are seeing a potential immigration emergency.

00:52:48.000 Tucker and I talk about how we must be very clear.

00:52:51.000 No amnesty, no amnesty, no amnesty.

00:52:54.000 Let me say it again.

00:52:55.000 No amnesty.

00:52:56.000 By the way, if you want amnesty, can you just email me freedom at charliekirk.com?

00:53:00.000 Like, what is your argument?

00:53:02.000 We didn't run on it.

00:53:03.000 We don't need it.

00:53:03.000 It's bad for the country.

00:53:04.000 It's bad for workers.

00:53:05.000 It's bad for young people.

00:53:06.000 So please, if you are for amnesty, I'd love to hear from you and what strange, contorted view that is.

00:53:12.000 I'd love to understand what possibly you're coming from other than maybe you run a big hotel chain or a massive farm.

00:53:19.000 Amnesty would break the back of this country and it would tear apart our coalition.

00:53:24.000 I don't even know who lives here.

00:53:26.000 Well, that's a whole other volatile.

00:53:30.000 So if there is severe economic contraction, and of course at some point there will be, you're not going to have a civilian conservation corps.

00:53:39.000 It's like because the country is inherently not united and citizens have nothing in common with each other.

00:53:43.000 And like who are my neighbors?

00:53:45.000 They even speak my language.

00:53:47.000 They don't know what the Civil War was.

00:53:48.000 We're not on the same page on any level.

00:53:51.000 And they have expectations that are totally unrealistic because they were getting free stuff the second they got here.

00:53:56.000 So like, man, you could have, this is an emergency, I think.

00:53:59.000 Yes.

00:54:00.000 And it is a volcano waiting to explode.

00:54:02.000 I mean, any one of your metaphors that you could put in, but we are a nation of strangers.

00:54:06.000 The ties that bind us together are purely economic.

00:54:09.000 If you think about it, it's not language.

00:54:12.000 It's not culture.

00:54:12.000 It's not religion.

00:54:13.000 It's not, you know, shared history.

00:54:16.000 It's not any of that.

00:54:18.000 We are basic, we have, and this is the distinction.

00:54:20.000 It's the dichotomy.

00:54:20.000 I ask Republican leaders all the time, because voters get it.

00:54:23.000 That's the thing.

00:54:24.000 Do you want to be a country or a colony?

00:54:26.000 What do you mean?

00:54:27.000 Tell me the difference.

00:54:28.000 Because I could tell you what a colony is.

00:54:30.000 A colony is a place where everyone just kind of comes and they trade stuff and you have a good time and you kind of go in your own little corner, but you have nothing in common.

00:54:37.000 It is the reverse colonization of America, which is the greatest of all ironies, right? 0.99

00:54:41.000 Because we tried to do the colonization thing.

00:54:44.000 But we are colonizing ourselves.

00:54:46.000 You think about it, because we really don't have much in common anymore.

00:54:49.000 We're kind of in our own little corner.

00:54:51.000 And all that unites us is the dollar bill.

00:54:54.000 And we're told that that is the most important thing.

00:54:57.000 Well, what happens when the dollar bill then shreds?

00:54:59.000 You see, economic volatility is survivable if you're a nation of neighbors.

00:55:05.000 Exactly.

00:55:06.000 Because then you go to church and then you have commonality and you're like, you kind of bind together and you figure it out.

00:55:10.000 Like the Great Depression, for example.

00:55:12.000 We survived that because we were a different people demographically.

00:55:15.000 We were different religiously.

00:55:17.000 But when you're a nation of strangers filled with third worlders that don't really understand what this country is about and they're just here for free stuff socialism, watch out. 1.00

00:55:27.000 This, again, I don't like the term emergency.

00:55:30.000 I'm not challenging you on it only because I don't want to do the Greta Thunberg thing where like the sky is falling.

00:55:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:35.000 It just drives me crazy, the over catastrophization of American politics.

00:55:38.000 It must be addressed immediately.

00:55:39.000 But it will become an emergency.

00:55:41.000 Like it is, it is a canary in the coal mine.

00:55:43.000 It's a harbinger.

00:55:44.000 It is a sign.

00:55:44.000 It's a warning of things to come that if I get 10 minutes with somebody, I think I can convince them it's kind of a problem-ish.

00:55:53.000 But then as a step further, it has all these other secondary problems and third and fourth tier problems, like birth rate collapse and marriage issues and young men not participating in the labor force.

00:56:07.000 And then you don't have a civilization.

00:56:09.000 And so I guess that's a long-winded way to say that almost every politician, when they run for office, will give some sort of euphemism, some sort of thing.

00:56:19.000 I'm doing this because of my kids.

00:56:21.000 And they bring up their beautiful family up on stage.

00:56:23.000 You've seen this, what, 500 times.

00:56:25.000 Are you really doing this for your kids?

00:56:27.000 Are you really doing this for the next generation?

00:56:30.000 Because if you were, you wouldn't be doing what you're currently doing.

00:56:36.000 This is just settling hard on me because you've confirmed and put a much finer point on a lot of things that I can intuit.

00:56:44.000 I can smell and to some extent see.

00:56:46.000 But so when you talk to college kids, the first thing they bring up is money.

00:56:52.000 No, not always.

00:56:52.000 I mean, I shouldn't say that.

00:56:53.000 I mean, sometimes it's abortion.

00:56:54.000 Sometimes it's trans, sometimes it's foreign policy.

00:56:56.000 But the undercurrent of anxiety is economic.

00:57:00.000 I do get more economic questions than anything else for sure, but I don't want to oversimplify.

00:57:05.000 But let me also divide this into two different categories.

00:57:08.000 So young women are doing much better in this economy than young men.

00:57:11.000 For the first time in the last 30 years, young male unemployment is around 7%, young female unemployment is around 4%.

00:57:18.000 So we are seeing the creation of kind of the lost boys.

00:57:21.000 They're disappearing.

00:57:22.000 They're leaving the workforce.

00:57:24.000 We don't really know what they're doing all day long.

00:57:27.000 You and I can speculate, but they're not reading Montesquieu.

00:57:34.000 If you have a whole society organized around hating white men, should it shock us that they're being destroyed?

00:57:38.000 No. 0.91

00:57:39.000 How is this an accident?

00:57:40.000 No, it's a deliberate, intentional campaign.

00:57:42.000 And so what I find, young men are flocking to our events and they want meaning and they want purpose.

00:57:48.000 And some of this is values.

00:57:49.000 I don't want to say this is not all economics.

00:57:50.000 I want to be very clear.

00:57:51.000 But some of those, it's...

00:57:56.000 No, no, no.

00:57:57.000 No, burma them. 0.98

00:57:58.000 No, sorry.

00:58:00.000 Disavow.

00:58:01.000 No, disavow.

00:58:01.000 You disavow that completely.

00:58:03.000 I'm the lunatic here, not you.

00:58:05.000 You are very, you've got a future. 0.98

00:58:07.000 Yeah, okay.

00:58:08.000 Have you noticed the entire country has become more feminine? 1.00

00:58:11.000 There's been a hyper-feminization of our workforce.

00:58:13.000 Have you ever heard of the term pink-collar jobs?

00:58:16.000 Well, we decided to no longer have blue-collar jobs, and we decided to have a pink-collar revolution.

00:58:22.000 Well, the pink-collar revolution, our HR managers, communication consultants, DEI, commissars, secondary teachers, and the pink-collar revolution has made us less productive, has made us less happy, and has put women that want to play mom at work because they don't have kids at home, so they have to go treat a bunch of 23-year-old men at work like they're kids. 0.72

00:58:45.000 Ever think of it that way?

00:58:47.000 I wanted to leave your comments here.

00:58:48.000 How many of you are stuck in a pink collar tyranny? 0.83

00:58:51.000 How many of you work for a pink collar autocrat? 0.79

00:58:55.000 How many of you work for a pink collar person? 0.95

00:58:57.000 We say, honestly, just go raise your kids.

00:58:59.000 Oh, but you don't have any.

00:59:00.000 You have cats.

00:59:01.000 You see, the problem with the pink collar revolution and the pink collar renaissance is it's inherently unproductive and it's hyper-feminine. 0.69

00:59:08.000 It's pushing men out of the workforce and it's elevating unqualified, unhappy women. 1.00

00:59:13.000 So I mentioned this earlier.

00:59:15.000 I want to dive into this.

00:59:16.000 The entire economy has become hyper-feminized.

00:59:18.000 The education system has become hyper-feminized.

00:59:20.000 I'm sure you've heard those arguments for sure.

00:59:22.000 Well, I know that.

00:59:23.000 A lot of kids know.

00:59:24.000 Again, sit still, do what you're told, right?

00:59:28.000 Read the feminine, you know, the hyper-feminine books. 1.00

00:59:30.000 But you think about what are the jobs that have had the greatest emphasis of the credentialing, you know, which basically is what college is.

00:59:37.000 It's just a massive credentialing exercise.

00:59:39.000 They're not the more masculine jobs that we need, which is like industrial engineering or they're HR managers. 1.00

00:59:46.000 They're norm enforcers.

00:59:48.000 They're empathy driven.

00:59:50.000 They're sociologists or DEI czars.

00:59:54.000 And so thankfully we're finally pushing back on DEI.

00:59:58.000 But a young man doesn't want to go be an HR manager. 0.65

01:00:01.000 I mean, they would rather go to a WNBA game than be an HR manager. 1.00

01:00:10.000 It's a coin toss.

01:00:12.000 I don't think they're allowed to be HR managers, are they?

01:00:14.000 No, but that's a straight man?

01:00:15.000 No, of course not.

01:00:16.000 And so the entire economy, the push, the thrust the last decade has been the growth has been in what we call pink collar jobs. 0.83

01:00:26.000 Jobs that men would rather sit at home and kind of just be, you know, slovenly than be caught doing because it's just so demeaning to how we as men are wired.

01:00:35.000 They're not about creation or risk taking or value proposition or, you know, boundary pushing.

01:00:41.000 They're kind of about, well, here are the rules and the norms and we must enforce them.

01:00:44.000 By the way, there is a rule.

01:00:46.000 They're mom jobs. 0.92

01:00:47.000 Exactly.

01:00:48.000 And you know why they're mom jobs? 0.99

01:00:50.000 Because these women aren't moms. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Okay, now I think we need a militia, but whatever.

01:00:56.000 Okay, that's sorry.

01:00:57.000 Now this is.

01:00:58.000 No, because you think about it.

01:01:00.000 Yeah, I have thought about it, but I haven't thought about it.

01:01:01.000 No, but I'm putting it.

01:01:02.000 I haven't thought about it as deeply as you're talking about.

01:01:04.000 You're connecting the dots.

01:01:05.000 You are connecting the dots.

01:01:06.000 Because why are these women play mom at work? 1.00

01:01:09.000 Because they don't have kids at home.

01:01:12.000 That's dark, man.

01:01:14.000 That's true.

01:01:16.000 So the effect is, I mean, the effect is obvious.

01:01:20.000 And all of this comes from economics.

01:01:23.000 So those of us...

01:01:25.000 Of course, but to some extent, I just noticed that living in a predominantly black city and then spending part of the year in an entirely white area that had been deindustrialized, you saw kind of similar, you saw lots of million differences.

01:01:42.000 Well, there's no violence in the all-white area, for one thing, which I'm grateful for, zero violence. 1.00

01:01:47.000 But you did see similar family formation patterns where as the jobs for men disappeared, people stopped getting married.

01:01:54.000 That's right.

01:01:55.000 And so what I thought was purely about values, like decent people get married when they have totally agree with this, yes.

01:02:01.000 Turned out to be partly about values, but also the values were shaped by the economic realities.

01:02:05.000 And women don't want to marry men who make less than they do, so they didn't get married. 1.00

01:02:08.000 The same reason why women don't like dating guys smaller than them.

01:02:11.000 Exactly.

01:02:12.000 Because they know intuitively at some point they're going to be pregnant and they're going to be vulnerable and they want a man to be able to defend them.

01:02:18.000 Yes.

01:02:18.000 And so again, women have an, my wife is right here.

01:02:21.000 They have an interesting way of communicating.

01:02:23.000 They won't put it as bluntly as I am right now.

01:02:25.000 So let me just kind of put it all out there.

01:02:27.000 Women deep down want to be protected and served. 1.00

01:02:29.000 Of course.

01:02:30.000 And so they don't want a guy that is earning less or that at some point they feel as if they're going to have to provide for.

01:02:35.000 Of course.

01:02:35.000 That is very off-putting.

01:02:37.000 So Scott Galloway, who's a man of the left, he's actually done some really good scholarship on this.

01:02:41.000 He's from NYU.

01:02:43.000 He has a really important point that I think is necessary to hone in on.

01:02:46.000 When women get disenchanted in the dating pool, they focus on friendships and work, which is totally true. 1.00

01:02:53.000 They pour all their energy into either friendships or in work.

01:02:56.000 We see that when men get disenchanted with the dating pool, they pull out from society basically altogether.

01:03:02.000 Because you know why?

01:03:03.000 There's like a hint of embarrassment and shame.

01:03:06.000 Not just a hint.

01:03:07.000 More than a hint.

01:03:08.000 It's the definition of shame.

01:03:10.000 And so you can't provide.

01:03:11.000 You've failed.

01:03:12.000 So women are more likely to graduate college. 1.00

01:03:16.000 They're more likely to close on a home.

01:03:18.000 They're more economically secure.

01:03:20.000 They're also simultaneously, many of which are miserable.

01:03:22.000 We know this.

01:03:23.000 They're the most incredibly addicted to antidepressants and suicidal ideation.

01:03:29.000 The numbers speak for themselves. 0.97

01:03:30.000 The most miserable women of the West are those that are unmarried without kids. 1.00

01:03:35.000 The numbers know that. 0.99

01:03:36.000 They speak it out.

01:03:37.000 And again, this is materially true.

01:03:40.000 We see this in our life.

01:03:41.000 Well, the rate of diagnosed mental illness is like off the chart.

01:03:44.000 Yeah.

01:03:44.000 And I think part of that is just confirmation bias.

01:03:46.000 I think we're looking for more of it so people think they have it more.

01:03:49.000 But I will also say that people are, you and I both see it.

01:03:52.000 They're unhappier.

01:03:53.000 This is an unhappier generation.

01:03:54.000 Yes.

01:03:55.000 And let me just be clear.

01:03:56.000 I think most diagnosed mental illness is a total lie.

01:03:59.000 Some of you which is legit.

01:04:00.000 Of course.

01:04:01.000 You and I both disruption is real, but I mean, whatever.

01:04:04.000 That's a whole separate thing. 1.00

01:04:05.000 That's a whole separate shit. 0.99

01:04:06.000 And I would refer everybody to Laura Delano, who was diagnosed with profound mental illness and recovered. 0.99

01:04:13.000 I had a conversation with her earlier this summer that was one of the most, I'm still thinking about it.

01:04:17.000 Let me just put it that way.

01:04:18.000 So it was Laura Delano, as in Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

01:04:22.000 I'll have to check that out.

01:04:22.000 It's worth it.

01:04:23.000 It's worth it.

01:04:23.000 Anyway, sorry, to interrupt.

01:04:25.000 No, and so the entire configuration of the West has been to put men down and to put women up. 0.91

01:04:34.000 And so what are the consequences of that?

01:04:36.000 Declining marriage rates, declining fertility rates, and then a disordered mess.

01:04:40.000 So I keep on going back to that word disordered.

01:04:42.000 And it's a very important word.

01:04:43.000 We could use chaotic or we could use bedlam, but that is what young people are feeling.

01:04:48.000 They can't always put it into words, but they're like, Trump, MAGA hat, something's wrong.

01:04:52.000 Let's go to the Charlie Kirk event.

01:04:53.000 And they're trying to like piece this all because they know something is just so off.

01:04:57.000 They're like, women don't want to date me and I don't want to date them and everything's expensive. 1.00

01:05:02.000 And what's going on here?

01:05:04.000 So the task in front of us as conservatives, and we're perfectly positioned for this because we're not people of the left.

01:05:10.000 We don't seek the destroyer to burn.

01:05:11.000 We're arsonists, is to kind of reorder this, put it back together to say, okay, how did we go wrong?

01:05:18.000 Too much emphasis on pink color.

01:05:20.000 So, Larry Fink, who I'm not a fan of at all, from BlackRock, he said something very interesting that no one decided in the mainstream he'd cover.

01:05:29.000 He said, there's an urgent need right now for 500,000 electricians.

01:05:34.000 500,000 electricians.

01:05:35.000 So here's a guy, the $10 trillion man.

01:05:37.000 He's one of the largest funds he controls, which by the way, he's also purchasing single-family homes, which are pricing families out of buying homes.

01:05:44.000 We're going to get into that, I think, in a second, which I want to talk about.

01:05:46.000 But here he's saying that there's a need for 500,000 non-college educated jobs.

01:05:51.000 You're trying to tell me that we don't need more sociologists?

01:05:54.000 We don't need more communication majors.

01:05:55.000 And then what about Yeah, exactly.

01:05:58.000 Media studies or North African lesbian poetry.

01:06:01.000 And so we peel back this a little bit.

01:06:04.000 We realize that one of the other reasons why men are being checked out of this whole system is that parents and the whole momentum behind young men have pushed them into a feminized system when in reality, it would have been better for them to just not go to college in the first place and pursue just normal blue-collar trades, of which we have the greatest deficit in our country.

01:06:30.000 But it goes, that part is all, it is very, this is not economics as much as it is social status.

01:06:35.000 And you said this on your show once.

01:06:37.000 It was a one-sentence thing.

01:06:38.000 I'll never forget.

01:06:38.000 And I've repeated it like a hundred times.

01:06:41.000 Upper middle class suburban parents do not want to tell their friends their kids are working construction.

01:06:46.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 I don't know if you even remember saying that, but.

01:06:49.000 No, but I've seen I work.

01:06:50.000 I was forced to work construction by my father as a child, and it totally changed my life and my outlook on everything.

01:06:57.000 And I made lifelong friendships, literally lifelong.

01:06:59.000 And I remember I didn't force my own kids to work construction, to be honest.

01:07:07.000 Yeah, but it's almost when you destroyed the white working class, which they did on purpose because they hate them above all for some reason. 0.76

01:07:14.000 When you destroy the white working class, then you have immigrants running everything at the bottom. 1.00

01:07:18.000 And I'm not against immigrants.

01:07:20.000 I like them actually, but I'm not going to send my kids to work on a drywall crew where they're the only English speakers.

01:07:26.000 So there's actually, it cuts off that whole, I worked in a factory.

01:07:30.000 I worked at a gas station.

01:07:31.000 I was a dishwasher in a restaurant.

01:07:32.000 I worked construction.

01:07:33.000 That's what I did in the summer for high school and college.

01:07:36.000 And I was from a rich family, but that they made me do that.

01:07:39.000 And it totally changed my life.

01:07:41.000 And, but I wasn't unusual in that.

01:07:43.000 I hitchhiked.

01:07:44.000 They made me hitchhike too.

01:07:46.000 My parents did.

01:07:47.000 And that was pretty normal.

01:07:49.000 And it wasn't that long.

01:07:50.000 It was the 80s.

01:07:51.000 Now you can't do that because no one else working those jobs has anything in common with your children.

01:07:58.000 That's right.

01:07:59.000 They're not from here. 0.87

01:08:00.000 They're strangers.

01:08:01.000 Exactly.

01:08:02.000 And on top of that, there is a belief by upper middle class America that that's those are the dirtier lower class jobs.

01:08:10.000 Don't 100% don't do that.

01:08:12.000 They don't even speak English.

01:08:15.000 So it's like not even a thing.

01:08:16.000 It's a barrier to entry.

01:08:18.000 Have to send your kid to work at a clothing store in Martha's Vineyard because if you want to work, I'm serious.

01:08:23.000 If you want a working class job, what else is there? 0.97

01:08:26.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:08:27.000 I know exactly.

01:08:27.000 When I worked in a kitchen in 1985, everybody in the kitchen had a criminal record, every single one.

01:08:33.000 But of course, every dishwasher has been to prison for something, right?

01:08:37.000 But they were all Americans and they all spoke English and you'd like take a cigarette break with them and you could like talk to them and they were part of your country and your culture.

01:08:44.000 They were at the lower end.

01:08:45.000 I'm from La Jolla, California.

01:08:47.000 I'm with this guy, you know, he's got tattoos on his neck and he's done 15 years or something awful, but like he was recognizable as an American.

01:08:54.000 I'm not going to send my kids to a kitchen now.

01:08:56.000 I'm sure they're better people.

01:08:57.000 I'm sure the Hondurans are better people than the people I work with, but they're not Americans. 1.00

01:09:00.000 That's right.

01:09:02.000 And so what does all this mean?

01:09:05.000 If these young men stay lost and they came out in huge numbers to vote for President Trump and we don't give them purpose, the civilization will collapse.

01:09:13.000 You cannot have a generation of young men just check out. 0.86

01:09:17.000 And of course, the effort is to organize the destroy young white Christian men. 0.93

01:09:21.000 Me, many of you in this audience. 0.88

01:09:23.000 And if you're a young white Christian man, don't take any of this as playing the victim.

01:09:27.000 Get your life together. 0.63

01:09:29.000 Stop doing drugs.

01:09:30.000 Stop watching the P-word.

01:09:32.000 I can't even say that here on YouTube.

01:09:35.000 Stop drinking alcohol.

01:09:36.000 Get yourself physically fit.

01:09:38.000 Stop being overweight.

01:09:39.000 Even though things are rigged against you, that is not a reason to play the victim card.

01:09:44.000 Instead, it's the opposite.

01:09:46.000 Listen to how Tucker and I talk at great length about how there is an organized effort to destroy and marginalize young white Christian men.

01:09:54.000 So when Biden says the number one threat are straight white men, which he said about a million times, or what are the white nationalism or Christian nationalism?

01:10:02.000 He's talking about young white men.

01:10:04.000 That's what he's talking about.

01:10:05.000 He's talking about me and the young men I represent.

01:10:07.000 Bingo. 0.98

01:10:08.000 These are just dumb euphemism. 0.99

01:10:09.000 This is one of the reasons why. 0.98

01:10:11.000 But he's afraid of them.

01:10:12.000 Of course.

01:10:13.000 Of course.

01:10:14.000 I get it.

01:10:15.000 Again, I hate this racialization stuff, but it's true. 1.00

01:10:17.000 They force the racialization card for the record.

01:10:19.000 Of course.

01:10:20.000 I don't look at people in terms of skin color, but when they start categorizing me and the young men that show up to my events as toxic because they breathe, you force the race card.

01:10:30.000 So, but the power of young white men in this country, if they were motivated and purposeful, yeah, young white men helped us win a world war and get to the moon and split the atom. 0.72

01:10:40.000 You better give them weed and fentanyl and benzodiazepines and draft kings and porn just to kind of disable them so they don't rise up and eat you. 0.98

01:10:50.000 That's what I would do. 0.64

01:10:51.000 I'm just saying, like, if I were in charge of society, I'd be like, holy, I'm afraid of these people.

01:10:55.000 You're so right.

01:10:56.000 And I try to, so I listen to your show all the time, Tucker.

01:10:58.000 You know, when you say stuff like that, I try to challenge it.

01:11:00.000 I'm like, is it really a centralized conspiracy?

01:11:02.000 I'm like, no, it's conspiracy within the world.

01:11:05.000 But then I'm like, I got nothing.

01:11:07.000 But it's like, you know, if you were trying to make the most, by the way, if you look at just the genetics of it, like I'm Scots-Irish.

01:11:14.000 I'm like very disagreeable, boundary-pushing, you know, like rebellious.

01:11:19.000 I know my genetic type.

01:11:20.000 And by the way, genetics matter.

01:11:22.000 We should talk about genetics more.

01:11:23.000 It's not racist to say that.

01:11:24.000 So my genetics come from all the way, you know, from Scotland, from the Maxwell clan, you know, fought alongside William Wallace.

01:11:31.000 But if you took, if you want to like kind of calm down that kind of Appalachia fighting spirit, man, you would do what you're doing right.

01:11:38.000 It's the Protestant spirit.

01:11:39.000 I mean, let's just get, let's just get really honest about it.

01:11:41.000 It's the people who founded the country are Protestants.

01:11:43.000 I'm as pro-Catholic as anyone could be.

01:11:45.000 My best friends are Catholic.

01:11:46.000 I'm not against Catholics at all.

01:11:48.000 I love Catholics.

01:11:49.000 However, this country is founded by Protestants because they think for themselves. 0.99

01:11:52.000 And they're the legacy, you know, they're the heirs of Martin Luther who took on, you know, the ancient, the 1500-year-old church by himself.

01:11:58.000 Totally.

01:11:59.000 You know, they are people who believe they communicate directly with God, that their conscience is more important than federal law, and they're really hard to deal with. 0.93

01:12:08.000 And so you have to destroy them first.

01:12:10.000 And they did.

01:12:12.000 Well, they're not done yet.

01:12:13.000 There's still a lot.

01:12:14.000 And that's.

01:12:15.000 Well, I know some.

01:12:16.000 I am one.

01:12:16.000 And by the way, even the young men that are currently lost, let's bring them back in.

01:12:20.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:12:22.000 You can shed your addiction.

01:12:23.000 You can give your life to Jesus.

01:12:24.000 You can get your aim figured out.

01:12:26.000 You can reorient your purpose.

01:12:28.000 Again, Larry Fink is getting to something deeper.

01:12:31.000 There's actually going to be a massive blue-collar need for all this AI stuff.

01:12:35.000 Well, just to report it.

01:12:36.000 Well, that's the kicker.

01:12:37.000 So that's where everyone went.

01:12:38.000 I refuse to accept the premise that we need a bunch of H-1B workers and a bunch of foreigners. 0.86

01:12:44.000 Meanwhile, the men of this country are withering away in a basement because they've been told they're toxic and terrible their entire life.

01:12:51.000 And so anyway, I feel a moral obligation to fight for the young men that show up to my event.

01:12:57.000 And you could tell they're battered down.

01:12:59.000 I mean, they've just been so suppressed by either the HR department or the pronoun policing or the hyper-feminization of their classroom.

01:13:08.000 And they're like, I'm done.

01:13:09.000 I'm not doing this.

01:13:10.000 I'm going to go play video games.

01:13:11.000 I'm going to check out.

01:13:12.000 And is that the right move?

01:13:13.000 No, they should not do that.

01:13:15.000 They should do what you and I do and get your life together.

01:13:17.000 Don't be a victim.

01:13:18.000 But they do it because you beat down a group of people so much over so long period of time.

01:13:24.000 They're going to exit.

01:13:25.000 They're going to get it.

01:13:26.000 We've just been trained to blame them, though.

01:13:28.000 It's so wild.

01:13:29.000 Why is it that Republicans are so quick to defend the evils of greedy corporations?

01:13:33.000 Where does that come from?

01:13:35.000 Well, Tucker asked a very provocative question.

01:13:37.000 I give the best answer I possibly can about why we should have a more balanced and prudential view of corporations and labor, capital and labor.

01:13:46.000 And I find it also out of the speed.

01:13:47.000 Now I don't think a conversation has pissed me off as much as this one that I can remember.

01:13:52.000 Well, I hope I'm not pissing you off.

01:13:53.000 No, you're, you're just, what you're saying is true, and that's why it's upsetting me. 0.93

01:13:57.000 But I'll even say that about black people. 1.00

01:14:00.000 I mean, I didn't grow up in a black neighborhood.

01:14:01.000 I have a few black friends, couple of good black friends, but I'm not like the voice of black America. 1.00

01:14:07.000 So it was easier for me to like blame, 100% blame black people for all the huge problems, like the overwhelming problems of black America. 1.00

01:14:16.000 But now I'm like, you know, and that's some extent fair.

01:14:19.000 I'm for blaming the victim sometimes, but I'm also for acknowledging that there are other forces and like economic forces really do matter as noted before.

01:14:29.000 And I just think it's so interesting in the people I know and grew up around with politically, like they will never mention how this happened in the first place.

01:14:40.000 They'll never blame the company.

01:14:41.000 I don't know how we got to this place.

01:14:43.000 We have to defend the company.

01:14:45.000 I've worked for companies.

01:14:46.000 They're horrible. 0.95

01:14:46.000 They're anti-Christian. 0.95

01:14:48.000 They're anti-human. 1.00

01:14:49.000 They're greedy.

01:14:50.000 And, you know, they provide, they paid my kids' tuition all those years.

01:14:53.000 I'm grateful and all that.

01:14:54.000 But they're morally neutral at best, at best.

01:14:58.000 So why are we defending them?

01:15:00.000 I don't get that.

01:15:00.000 Well, and at the very least, again, because we, you know, wealth is important.

01:15:05.000 We don't want to be a third world country, right? 1.00

01:15:07.000 But for wealth.

01:15:07.000 No, of course.

01:15:08.000 We don't want to be poor.

01:15:10.000 That should be like the operative.

01:15:11.000 Don't be poor.

01:15:12.000 But at the very least, we shouldn't have a gut instinct to defend them.

01:15:15.000 Like we defend companies as if we're defending our children.

01:15:18.000 No, they did nothing wrong.

01:15:19.000 That's so true.

01:15:20.000 Harry did nothing wrong.

01:15:21.000 Or, you know, it's as if like you don't even know any of the facts and immediately you're on ExxonMobil side.

01:15:26.000 I never even did my own kids.

01:15:29.000 Immediately you're on Nvidia's side.

01:15:31.000 And you're on, you're, it's like, wait, hold on.

01:15:34.000 At least let's have a presentation of what's happened here.

01:15:37.000 And how did that.

01:15:40.000 You're so much younger than I am, but you seem to have paid closer attention than I have or been onto this more than I am.

01:15:48.000 How did that happen?

01:15:50.000 I think it's a philosophical inheritance from the Rockefeller-Romney takeover of the Republican Party many years ago, well before I was born.

01:15:59.000 That's my best guess, is that there was this anti-Soviet, anti-communist, anti-Marxist belief that was kind of the connective tissue of what was Reagan's rise in the 80s.

01:16:14.000 And therefore, again, we exist on these ridiculous binaries at times, which is fine.

01:16:18.000 Some things are binary, like sex is binary, male, female.

01:16:22.000 Other things are not, which is there's a lot of steps in between like anarcho-capitalism and like oligarchy-run capitalism, which is what we have right now.

01:16:29.000 We have oligarchy-run capitalism and Marxism.

01:16:33.000 There's a lot of steps on the continuum from oligarchy-run capitalism to that.

01:16:38.000 And so, but also we, if you look at the tax code, if you look at the whole configuration of the current system, which again, credit to President Trump for finally putting a working class tax cut, no tax on tips and no tax on overtime.

01:16:51.000 Finally, workers get something.

01:16:53.000 But the whole configuration of the tax code is really rigged towards the big incumbent actors and the top 1% or the Pareto principle.

01:17:03.000 I know I sound like a left-wing Elizabeth Warden person.

01:17:05.000 Who cares?

01:17:06.000 I don't care.

01:17:07.000 Describe the problem.

01:17:08.000 It needs a remedy.

01:17:09.000 But here, again, let me just kind of complete, you know, the problem should not be, how are we going to get the 1% to flourish? 0.95

01:17:16.000 We shouldn't penalize them.

01:17:17.000 But the question should be, how do we get the bottom 50% to have a little bit better life and their kids to have a much better life and their grandkids to have an even better life than that? 0.74

01:17:27.000 That's the American project, is intergenerational wealth building, is that you're going to sacrifice a little bit, your kids will be better off.

01:17:35.000 And this is the kicker.

01:17:36.000 Why is it that these students are showing up in massive numbers to my events?

01:17:39.000 Why do they vote for Trump?

01:17:40.000 This is a fact.

01:17:41.000 It is the first time since George Washington that this generation has it worse off than their parents at the same age.

01:17:47.000 It has not happened, not even during the Great Depression.

01:17:49.000 It's about the same.

01:17:51.000 This generation is significantly worse off.

01:17:55.000 And the problem, this is what no one mentions.

01:17:58.000 We're not poorer.

01:18:00.000 So, you look at all these problems, you would think, like, if you're from Mars and you're like looking at all these numbers, you would think that the country's gone through like an economic tailspin the last 15 years.

01:18:09.000 Like, okay, your young people can't afford homes and they're putting groceries on credit and they're killing themselves and they're socially isolated and they're addicted to benzodiazepines and Zolof.

01:18:18.000 It's obvious you guys went through like a terrible economic catastrophe.

01:18:21.000 You lost the war, yeah.

01:18:23.000 No, the stock market's at record highs.

01:18:25.000 Our companies are more valuable than ever.

01:18:29.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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01:19:32.000 Baby boomers. 0.95

01:19:33.000 I'm sure there's a lot of baby boomers watching this right now.

01:19:35.000 I have nothing inherently against baby boomers. 0.89

01:19:36.000 My parents are phenomenal and they're baby boomers.

01:19:38.000 But as a generation, Tucker has some thoughts.

01:19:40.000 This is one of the more viral moments of our conversation where Tucker just torches the baby boomer generation.

01:19:47.000 Do you agree with Tucker?

01:19:49.000 So, wait, we've solved the tough stuff.

01:19:51.000 We know how to create wealth, but we don't know how to create it for the generation that needs it most.

01:19:57.000 If you look at the economic conditions, you would think the other conditions surrounding it are like abject poverty.

01:20:02.000 These are the problems that like third world nations have. 1.00

01:20:05.000 I know.

01:20:05.000 Our young people can't afford stuff and they have to finance their basic necessities.

01:20:09.000 And yet we're the wealthiest nation in the history of the world on the planet.

01:20:12.000 We have a $37 trillion GDP.

01:20:15.000 We have the greatest companies and we have all this stuff to brag about.

01:20:18.000 And yet all of our problems would beg the question, and it's like this inherent contradiction.

01:20:24.000 We're super wealthy on one side, like a powerhouse juggernaut.

01:20:28.000 And we are like an economic nightmare on the other side.

01:20:31.000 How did that happen?

01:20:32.000 Answer.

01:20:33.000 The wealth went to older people at the expense of the next generation. 0.92

01:20:39.000 That's for sure.

01:20:40.000 Every single economic growth decision of the last 30 years has been made.

01:20:45.000 I am going to benefit.

01:20:46.000 My baby boomer generation is going to benefit.

01:20:48.000 And I don't care if it hurts young people.

01:20:50.000 And I'm not anti-boomer.

01:20:52.000 I get negative hate mail all the time because the boomers are super protective of their generation as if I'm like attacking Presbyterians or something. 0.99

01:20:58.000 They're repulsive. 0.99

01:20:59.000 They've always been repulsive.

01:21:01.000 And I grew up in a, well, I was born in 1969.

01:21:04.000 The baby boom ended in 1965.

01:21:06.000 So it was 65 or 64.

01:21:08.000 Whatever.

01:21:09.000 It was just the post-war generation ended mid-60s.

01:21:11.000 I'm not a boomer.

01:21:12.000 Thank heaven.

01:21:13.000 My father was not a boomer.

01:21:14.000 He's born in 1941.

01:21:15.000 Totally different attitudes, right?

01:21:17.000 He was born before the Second World War, our entry into it.

01:21:20.000 I was educated by them.

01:21:22.000 They were my teachers. 1.00

01:21:24.000 And they were the worst, the dumbest, most narcissistic, the shallowest. 1.00

01:21:29.000 Every sentence had like nine cliches in it. 1.00

01:21:31.000 They were all at Woodstock.

01:21:33.000 They remembered when Kennedy was shot.

01:21:34.000 It was the day the music died.

01:21:35.000 Like everything they said was like the Don McClain tune.

01:21:39.000 It didn't make sense.

01:21:40.000 It was just a series of evocative clichés strung together to create a feeling. 1.00

01:21:44.000 They were idiots, but above all, they were about themselves. 1.00

01:21:48.000 I hated them then. 1.00

01:21:49.000 I hate them now.

01:21:50.000 In fourth grade, I remember saying to a buddy of mine, I hate these people.

01:21:55.000 Our math teacher just told us, I was at Woodstock.

01:21:57.000 I was like, how many people are at Woodstock?

01:21:59.000 Like, everyone in America was at Woodstock?

01:22:01.000 I thought it was 300,000 people.

01:22:02.000 He made it, it was, they're the worst. 0.73

01:22:05.000 They're the ones who lecture us about the civil rights movement for 40 years as the actual supposed beneficiaries of the civil rights movement, black people, declined. 0.94

01:22:15.000 They didn't care.

01:22:16.000 They were only about feeling good about themselves.

01:22:19.000 The only good thing they produced was like the music of 1972. 0.91

01:22:24.000 Other than that, horrible people. 0.96

01:22:27.000 Horrible.

01:22:28.000 Sorry.

01:22:29.000 Well, and so, yes.

01:22:33.000 Actually, I grew up with that.

01:22:36.000 That's okay.

01:22:36.000 Everyone can email Tucker your hate mail when it comes to the best.

01:22:38.000 Oh, they're disgusting.

01:22:39.000 And by the way, if you are a baby boomer, take some, take some responsibility for what you participate in. 0.92

01:22:45.000 That is the kicker.

01:22:46.000 That's what I will say.

01:22:47.000 You guys have had a great, you've had it.

01:22:48.000 You've had the greatest run.

01:22:50.000 You've had what either Brett Eric Weinstein would call the ego, the embedded growth obligation, right?

01:22:55.000 Ego, meaning things just keep getting better.

01:22:57.000 The market goes up, your house gets more valuable.

01:22:59.000 And you guys are trying to squeeze the last of a lemon.

01:23:03.000 And you are leaving a crummy, unrecognizable serfdom in your wake. 1.00

01:23:08.000 Of course they are.

01:23:09.000 And that is, it's bad for you.

01:23:12.000 It's bad for your legacy.

01:23:13.000 It's bad for your nation.

01:23:14.000 They're the ones who went right from protesting the Vietnam War to like making all this money on Wall Street.

01:23:19.000 Remember Jerry Rubin was a yippie?

01:23:21.000 I mean, this is before you were around.

01:23:22.000 I think Kerry went from, you know, it's the whole thing.

01:23:26.000 It was all live action role-playing rebellion.

01:23:28.000 It's LARPing is what it was.

01:23:30.000 I would just exclude anyone born between 1946 and 1964 from ever holding any office.

01:23:35.000 And I know a lot of them, I'm sure they're nice people.

01:23:38.000 We like Trump.

01:23:39.000 But your generation, oh, I forget what you're talking about. 0.97

01:23:41.000 The whole generation is just rotten. 0.99

01:23:43.000 But let's extrapolate one part of it, which is that it's definitely that generation has not had a regard for leaving an economic.

01:23:52.000 They don't care about anyone but themselves.

01:23:53.000 That's the whole point.

01:23:54.000 So if you employ that belief into fiscal policy and monetary policy, this is what you get.

01:24:01.000 An intergenerational war.

01:24:02.000 Yeah, they're grandchildren who they don't care about.

01:24:04.000 And so what I'm trying...

01:24:07.000 Or wherever they are, right?

01:24:09.000 They're on Johns Island, but whatever.

01:24:10.000 Well, yeah, amongst other places.

01:24:12.000 No, I like Johns Island.

01:24:13.000 I'm just saying they're in retirement.

01:24:16.000 Yes.

01:24:17.000 And they're kind of psyched with what they have.

01:24:19.000 And their stocks keep on going up.

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:21.000 And their grandson Dylan is like totally zoned out on prescription drugs and they don't really care.

01:24:26.000 Right.

01:24:27.000 And, but, or if they are to impart some wisdom, It's, you know, when I was your age, we worked two jobs and I was able to put myself through college and we worked really hard.

01:24:37.000 And I'm telling you, selfish people.

01:24:39.000 This is there. 0.94

01:24:40.000 Are there lazy people in Gen Z? 0.99

01:24:42.000 Of course.

01:24:42.000 But honestly, the majority of young people I come in contact with, they're working their tail off.

01:24:48.000 This is not a stereotypical lazy generation.

01:24:51.000 I'm sorry.

01:24:52.000 Like, they're no lazier than some of the people I've seen in prior generations.

01:24:55.000 You give young men. 0.55

01:24:56.000 I won't die on that hill.

01:24:57.000 I'll defend this generation.

01:24:58.000 I mean, but young girls, I've got a lot of them.

01:25:00.000 Like, they're always buzzing around doing something.

01:25:03.000 They're just self-directed.

01:25:05.000 But young men, I think that's why everyone likes to hire women because they're self-directed. 1.00

01:25:10.000 You give them a task, they'll do the task.

01:25:11.000 They're micro.

01:25:12.000 Why is it that so many young men are turning to Catholicism and Orthodoxy?

01:25:16.000 I'm evangelical, but I see what young men desire and crave.

01:25:20.000 They want tradition.

01:25:21.000 They want order.

01:25:22.000 They want things that do not change.

01:25:24.000 They want a lasting structure that is going to withstand the passionate winds of modernity.

01:25:32.000 And young men, in some ways, are coming home to the faith.

01:25:36.000 Again, I say this is an evangelical, but I rejoice that young men are returning back to the church.

01:25:41.000 It's a beautiful thing to witness.

01:25:43.000 In fact, I encourage you right now, go find Jesus.

01:25:46.000 Accept him as your Lord and Savior.

01:25:48.000 Go back to church.

01:25:49.000 Start reading the Bible.

01:25:51.000 Stop doing drugs.

01:25:52.000 It's the most important thing you can do.

01:25:54.000 100%.

01:25:54.000 Women are the best microphone.

01:25:56.000 And look what the scriptures tell us.

01:25:58.000 And this is a very interesting thing.

01:25:59.000 What did God say?

01:26:00.000 He said, it's not good for man to be alone.

01:26:02.000 Exactly.

01:26:03.000 But he wasn't alone.

01:26:04.000 He had God.

01:26:06.000 What he was saying is that it's not good for man to be without a woman. 0.99

01:26:09.000 Of course.

01:26:09.000 So it's not enough for man just to have God.

01:26:11.000 And some people don't like this teaching, but it's true. 0.54

01:26:13.000 Adam had God.

01:26:14.000 He had a relationship with God.

01:26:16.000 If you look at almost every third world country where men don't feel that they are able to have economic prosperity or any romantic future, you get either revolution, gang violence, or complete disconnect.

01:26:27.000 Or suicide.

01:26:28.000 Or suicide, which is what we have, right?

01:26:30.000 So it's the most suicidal generation in history.

01:26:32.000 Now, I don't want to paint like a totally negative picture because there is one really good trend, and it's not because of baby boomers, and it's not because of our leaders. 0.85

01:26:40.000 I guess that.

01:26:41.000 Well, no, it's men, young men are going back to church.

01:26:44.000 That is legit.

01:26:44.000 That's happening because honestly, it's the only thing that they can find.

01:26:48.000 It's a life raft in this just tsunami of chaos and disorder.

01:26:53.000 So I get asked all the time, well, why are they going to the Catholic Church?

01:26:56.000 Why are they going to the Orthodox Church more than the Evangelical Church?

01:26:58.000 And I'm evangelical.

01:26:59.000 I'll say, well, first of all, they want something that has lasted.

01:27:02.000 They want something that is ancient and that is beautiful.

01:27:04.000 Something that has stood the test of time.

01:27:06.000 Something that's not going to change.

01:27:07.000 Something that's all of a sudden not going to all of a sudden just flip around and have some sort of, you know, transgender story hour.

01:27:14.000 They are, so that's a really positive trend in the midst of all this.

01:27:18.000 So that's my, my great hope is the spiritual hope that the young men that are lost.

01:27:22.000 And if any young man is listening to this right now, like stop, stop watching porn, stop, you know, smoking weed, stop drinking endlessly, find yourself back to church.

01:27:31.000 That will reorient your life.

01:27:32.000 I agree.

01:27:32.000 And do what the church tells you to do, right?

01:27:35.000 Find a woman, marry her, provide, have more kids than you can afford. 1.00

01:27:39.000 That's my advice for young men.

01:27:41.000 Don't play the victim.

01:27:42.000 Even though you legitimately can play the victim card on everything we've said, the mindset of a victim is parasitic to your soul.

01:27:48.000 I completely agree.

01:27:50.000 I completely agree.

01:27:51.000 And you shouldn't whine.

01:27:53.000 You shouldn't whine.

01:27:54.000 Whining is bad.

01:27:55.000 By the way, that's our job.

01:27:56.000 And just to be clear, so people say, but Charlie, you talk about this a lot from a whining standpoint.

01:28:00.000 No.

01:28:00.000 What I'm doing is I'm communicating to a very specific audience of people in charge that are ignoring this and they are ignoring what's coming next.

01:28:10.000 And that's the whole context of this conversation.

01:28:13.000 And then Tucker asked the question, will anyone be held accountable for the destruction of America's economy?

01:28:17.000 Maybe.

01:28:18.000 No one was held accountable after 2008 or the 2008 financial crisis.

01:28:22.000 So I kind of shrug my shoulders and I say, I hope so.

01:28:24.000 And the fact that no one went to jail after 2008 was a stain on our nation.

01:28:28.000 How many of you guys saw your standard of living go down after 2008?

01:28:31.000 How many of your friends, your family members, how many of you as kids remember it?

01:28:35.000 It was a very vivid moment in my upbringing.

01:28:39.000 I agree with you.

01:28:40.000 I mean, every I really hope that people are listening to you, people in charge.

01:28:47.000 Thank you.

01:28:47.000 I mean, the president does to his great credit.

01:28:49.000 It seems obvious that everything you've said is true.

01:28:52.000 And I just want to say for the ninth time, I really hope members of Congress will listen to what you're saying.

01:28:59.000 I think it's the most important thing right now because we are in the last stages of what we had and we're moving towards something new.

01:29:07.000 This isn't working and it's not working for the people it has to work for, which is the next generation. 1.00

01:29:12.000 They're specifically the ones being hurt.

01:29:15.000 And so there are going to be big, big, big changes.

01:29:17.000 And people will be punished for what we're going through right now.

01:29:19.000 There's no question about it, either from the right or from the left.

01:29:22.000 And my concern is not preventing them from being punished.

01:29:24.000 It's making sure the right people are punished.

01:29:27.000 It always, it feels to me like the greatest injustice is when, you know, we've solved the crime, but we executed the wrong guy.

01:29:34.000 And I just want to make certain that the predators are punished, the people taking advantage of desperate young people, the people who are, you know, getting rich from payday loans and from, you know, buy now, pay later for your pizza schemes, like those people should be crushed and not, you know, hardworking people.

01:29:54.000 How do you make sure that punishment is allocated justly?

01:29:57.000 Yeah, well, first, this is why the right needs to administer it because we would pursue justice where the left would probably pursue revenge.

01:30:03.000 Exactly.

01:30:03.000 And revenge is bad.

01:30:04.000 Exactly.

01:30:05.000 So good.

01:30:06.000 So, but first, secondly, I would, I hope you're right.

01:30:10.000 I hope that the people that are doing bad here, which is plenty, will be held accountable.

01:30:14.000 But there's no guarantee.

01:30:15.000 No one went to jail after 2008.

01:30:17.000 And I think that was a stain on our nation.

01:30:20.000 I mean, I remember my family having to metaphorically and literally downsize after the 2008 financial crisis.

01:30:26.000 I mean, that was a real turning point, if you will.

01:30:29.000 I had to sell my house.

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 And we didn't, praise God.

01:30:32.000 But I remember like we didn't go out to eat for like six months.

01:30:34.000 Like it was like a real trimming.

01:30:36.000 And no one.

01:30:38.000 And you remember that?

01:30:39.000 Did you connect?

01:30:40.000 Canada.

01:30:40.000 I was a freshman in high school.

01:30:41.000 And so you connected what was happening to your family to larger economic courses.

01:30:45.000 And a lot of millennials, which I'm a millennial, I'm the younger and a millennial, I'm almost Gen Z, has very similar stories as to mine, where they saw their parents have to downsize, trim vacations, cancel luxury items because of macroeconomic events.

01:31:02.000 And I think it's still to this day a stand on our nation that no one went to jail for what happened in 2008.

01:31:07.000 None of the bankers, none of the people were held accountable.

01:31:10.000 And there's a lot that went into that.

01:31:11.000 Obviously, the federal government was heavily involved, but we did the worst possible thing, which is we actually created and we codified the bad behavior by making the incumbent Wall Street banks even more powerful through Dodd-Frank.

01:31:23.000 So it's harder for small and community banks to compete.

01:31:26.000 And then we flooded the zone with cheap money.

01:31:27.000 We went to basically zero interest rates, which then depreciated the dollar, which only hurt the next generation even more. 0.76

01:31:34.000 So look, I would have liked to have seen, it's too late now, the statute of limitations is well passed, like purp walks for people that helped wreck the economy back in 2008 and 2009, because there was plenty of material there.

01:31:44.000 So there's no guarantee that justice is coming.

01:31:47.000 But I think this is different.

01:31:48.000 I think this is far different because remember what I said early on.

01:31:51.000 In 2008, the average first-time homebuyer was 30 years old.

01:31:54.000 Now it's 38.

01:31:56.000 In 2008, you could have bought Apple stock for six bucks, eight bucks.

01:32:01.000 Now it's like $180, $200 a share or something.

01:32:04.000 I mean, asset prices have ballooned so dramatically and young people are so priced out of the entry point, let alone the completion point of the American dream, that I think you're right that there will either be, this could be two ways.

01:32:18.000 This is kind of a, this will be a sloppy way to say it, but it can either be a Stormy-Bastille or Nuremberg.

01:32:25.000 And Nuremberg is like orderly and at least there's some sort of like, you know, justice component.

01:32:30.000 With a Soviet judge in charge. 0.83

01:32:32.000 Well, sure.

01:32:32.000 I mean, so I couldn't.

01:32:35.000 It's not a perfect example, but the guy who did the Stalin show trials, you put him in charge.

01:32:39.000 Yeah, it's not perfect, but at least there is some, at least there was a pageantry to it that we're trying to pursue justice.

01:32:46.000 I don't want revolution.

01:32:47.000 My whole temperament is anti-revolution.

01:32:49.000 And so.

01:32:50.000 No, that's such a smart point.

01:32:51.000 Any legal proceeding is flawed.

01:32:53.000 I don't think you should put a Soviet judge in charge, but I think any judge is just a man or person and you're not going to get absolute justice in this life. 0.54

01:33:02.000 That is absolutely right.

01:33:03.000 But it needs to be, I think that's the key point.

01:33:05.000 It needs to be orderly and sensible and explain to the public.

01:33:09.000 There's a reason for this.

01:33:11.000 So another one is, I mean, again, one that we haven't even touched on is are we ever, I think Trump is actually doing a great job of this, holding these colleges accountable, but is someone going to finally have to be on the hook for the amount of student loan debt this generation has?

01:33:26.000 Can we seize and raid the endowments?

01:33:27.000 I mean, these colleges are hedge funds with schools attached.

01:33:31.000 Exactly.

01:33:31.000 They're growing their endowments by hundreds percent and their enrollment by like 3% to 4%.

01:33:37.000 So their endowment is exploding and their enrollments are barely exploding, not to mention all the other problems embedded there.

01:33:42.000 It's the medieval church.

01:33:43.000 It needs reform.

01:33:44.000 Yeah.

01:33:44.000 And so I, again, I'm not here presenting all the solutions.

01:33:47.000 Smarter people than me can kind of come through with a buffet line of solutions.

01:33:51.000 My biggest contention is, why is no one even admitting this is a problem?

01:33:55.000 And that's what's so bizarre.

01:33:57.000 What is that?

01:33:58.000 So we began on that question.

01:33:59.000 I don't know the answer.

01:34:00.000 What's your guess?

01:34:01.000 Again, I'm not doing one of those things where I like, I ask the question rhetorically.

01:34:05.000 I have guesses, the first of which is that it's so bad, they're just ignoring it.

01:34:08.000 And I really think that's part of it, which is that Congress is so filled with septogenarians and octogenarians that it's so distant from their purview.

01:34:17.000 They're way too concerned to send more money to Ukraine or whatever their primary priority is that kind of representing the next generation, they're like, oh, those kids will kind of sort their way out.

01:34:28.000 We had it tough too, which they didn't compared to what this generation has to go through.

01:34:33.000 Tucker asks, who will be the 2028 Democrat nominee?

01:34:36.000 I'm not that interested in that, actually.

01:34:38.000 We talked a little about AOC, Newsom.

01:34:40.000 Watch Tucker and I go back and forth of who exactly Verwell might be the leader of the upcoming Democrat Party.

01:34:47.000 But secondly, I also think that the left will eventually wake up to this.

01:34:52.000 I'm telling you.

01:34:54.000 They're all a mess right now.

01:34:55.000 They don't know which way they're going.

01:34:56.000 But the Mamdani thing is a little bit of a trial balloon. 0.97

01:35:01.000 They're like, wow, that's interesting.

01:35:02.000 It's getting younger people interested and involved.

01:35:05.000 And just remember, like Bernie Sanders won the Democrat primary in 2016, and he won it in 2020 if it wasn't for the COVID lockdown.

01:35:14.000 The base of the Democrat Party has been yelling about economic anxiety for 10 years before it was even nearly as bad as it is today.

01:35:21.000 You're right.

01:35:22.000 And so what we as conservatives need to be really concerned about, a cautionary tale, is a Democrat candidate or politician that says everything I've just said, that runs on basically resentment and bitter-driven politics, you own nothing because of these people.

01:35:38.000 Let's go take it.

01:35:40.000 And that's a little bit more sane on the trans stuff, the crime stuff, and the border stuff. 0.99

01:35:43.000 That's exactly right.

01:35:44.000 And that's why I don't think Gavin Newsom has a real shot because he's so transparently a tool of the ruling class.

01:35:52.000 Totally.

01:35:53.000 AOC obviously wants to run. 1.00

01:35:56.000 She's dumb. 1.00

01:35:57.000 That makes her a better puppet for a kind of fake economic populism. 1.00

01:36:02.000 I mean, she's actually controlled by the banks and the neocons, but I don't know.

01:36:10.000 If you had one, a candidate on the left who is even sort of genuine, just kind of like a Tim Walls who without the creepy personal life, who wasn't sending off kid toucher vibes like he is.

01:36:20.000 Woo.

01:36:21.000 I'm not accusing him of kid touching.

01:36:23.000 I'm just saying he sends off those vibes.

01:36:24.000 Like there's an aura there that wouldn't have dinner with him.

01:36:26.000 But if you had a slightly more normal person who was an economic populist, oh my gosh.

01:36:35.000 That person would be emperor.

01:36:37.000 Well, I don't know about emperor.

01:36:38.000 And I don't even know if, like, I don't know if they'll, again, they're so off course on the trans stuff, the border.

01:36:44.000 No, I agree.

01:36:44.000 I totally agree.

01:36:45.000 And they're so married to those three things.

01:36:47.000 But just all those things back, something is going to come.

01:36:49.000 And I wonder if they're married to those things because I have always sort of wondered, like, what is that?

01:36:54.000 There's a lot at stake here.

01:36:55.000 This is running the world.

01:36:56.000 Okay.

01:36:57.000 So you don't just like decide trans rights are central to your platform by accident.

01:37:03.000 There's smart people thinking about this.

01:37:05.000 And I've always wondered, was that a way to tame economic populism is the thing that the donors on both sides fear the most by far.

01:37:13.000 They need a little bit of it in order to stop the revolution from coming, as you have said.

01:37:17.000 You need a Teddy Roosevelt, actually.

01:37:19.000 Everybody needs it. 1.00

01:37:20.000 They're too greedy and stupid to realize that. 1.00

01:37:22.000 Short-sided. 1.00

01:37:23.000 Exactly.

01:37:24.000 So, but I always have wondered, like, what was the trans thing?

01:37:28.000 Why, if I'm running the Democratic Party, I'm a huge donor of the party.

01:37:31.000 I don't want, I may, you know, like the trans thing or whatever, but I don't want to put that at the center of my platform because that's going to turn off all the normal people. 1.00

01:37:39.000 Like, I'm going to lose with that. 0.98

01:37:41.000 It's two bonkers.

01:37:43.000 Maybe that was inserted into the dialogue on the left to really kind of stop the Sanders insurrection forever.

01:37:54.000 Yeah, I mean, that's interesting.

01:37:55.000 I mean, from my being too.

01:37:56.000 No, I mean, I always.

01:37:58.000 Because Sanders is what they feared most.

01:38:00.000 Sanders.

01:38:02.000 Sanders would have given any candidate, including Trump, more of a run for his money in 2016.

01:38:06.000 I think Trump would have beat Sanders, but like Sanders would have campaigned in Michigan.

01:38:09.000 Oh, Sanders would have campaigned in Wisconsin.

01:38:12.000 Yeah.

01:38:12.000 And there's a lot of crossover of Bernie Sanders-Trump votes.

01:38:15.000 Oh, like that exists, right?

01:38:17.000 I mean, Sanders is a fraud or whatever you think of Bernie Sanders. 0.98

01:38:20.000 A total fraud.

01:38:21.000 However, a sincere Sanders, I think, would be unstoppable.

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 So I'm less interested in the biography or the person of where the Democrat Party is going.

01:38:33.000 I'm much more interested in the movement that obviously is coming next.

01:38:37.000 It's just so it is manifesting.

01:38:40.000 It's bubbling up.

01:38:41.000 And so we on the right, we should exist to de-radicalize, to create normalcy and order and a regular America, the good America that you and I miss.

01:38:53.000 And so as far as the trans stuff, look, there's a lot of theories on this.

01:38:57.000 Number one, I think that there's an element of the Democrat Party that's into really creepy, weird sex stuff that's dark.

01:39:05.000 There is a religious element to the trans thing, which is I take dominion over my body. 0.83

01:39:10.000 Exactly.

01:39:10.000 I'm God.

01:39:10.000 Where if you think about the Christian element, which is that we surrender our body to the Almighty, our body is a temple, right?

01:39:17.000 God made us in his image.

01:39:19.000 Where the trans thing is, no, no, no, no, I make myself in my image. 0.99

01:39:23.000 It's diametrically against every one of the teachings of Christ and of those scriptures.

01:39:28.000 It's against the distinctions between what is holy and profane and what is good and evil.

01:39:33.000 Child and adult are blurred in the trans thing, male and female.

01:39:37.000 So I think that there's like a irresistible temptation amongst the kind of dark base of the Democrat Party, which exists, that they just had to just like hold on to this because, again, it's the snake eating itself.

01:39:49.000 Progress knows, no, limits, right?

01:39:50.000 So it goes from, you know, homosexual marriage to eventually, you know, gay adoption to then finally, you know, to transgenderism.

01:39:57.000 But I think you're getting onto something important.

01:39:59.000 From a corporate media standpoint, do I think that Pride Month is emphasized more for a reason?

01:40:05.000 Almost certainly.

01:40:06.000 Because I think it's a smokescreen grenade to make us kind of be unsure of where we're going.

01:40:11.000 So no one actually talks about economic.

01:40:13.000 We don't have get out of debt month.

01:40:15.000 I know.

01:40:15.000 No.

01:40:16.000 And if you want to be even more, if you want to be even more, I don't think we're getting one, I want to be even more provocative.

01:40:21.000 One of the 613 laws of Judaism and one of the more beautiful teachings is called the year of Jubilee, which is every 50 years is debt abolition and basically the rectifying of your financial situation for the nation of Israel.

01:40:36.000 It was in law every 50 years.

01:40:38.000 Because the religion recognized, I think as all religions do, that debt is slavery. 0.99

01:40:42.000 Well, it says that in Proverbs 7, 22, where it says basically, like, if you borrow money, you are a slave to the lender.

01:40:51.000 Of course.

01:40:51.000 Repeated all throughout the Torah, all throughout the Old and New Testament.

01:40:55.000 And so now here we are in a modern context.

01:40:58.000 Again, a little bit of debt is justifiable, mortgage, maybe, but when you, another one that we even touched on that is crushing people, Democrats are starting to talk about this more is medical debt.

01:41:08.000 Oh, it is crushing people.

01:41:09.000 They go to the ER for just, you know, a broken leg and they have a $7,000 bill and they are just murdered by those bills for the rest of their life.

01:41:18.000 And so you have medical debt, you have credit card debt, you have personal debt, you have student loan debt.

01:41:23.000 Tucker has some very passionate views on healthcare.

01:41:26.000 I've never heard this before.

01:41:26.000 I'm not even sure what to think about this.

01:41:28.000 It was definitely interesting why the modern view of life and death is so distorted and why we need a reassertion of a biblical one.

01:41:36.000 There's something kind of sad about the emphasis on health care, too.

01:41:39.000 I'm all for healing.

01:41:40.000 I've been to the, you know, I had appendicitis, back surgery.

01:41:43.000 I mean, I've been saved by surgeons and I'm always, I am grateful.

01:41:46.000 However, if like the most important economic sector in a lot of parts of your country is health care, what is that exactly?

01:41:56.000 Shouldn't you be focused on like producing life?

01:42:00.000 100%.

01:42:00.000 And not just like say, and I say this as a middle-aged person who's passed the age of producing life, but I think like there's something, it lacks energy.

01:42:11.000 It's too inward.

01:42:12.000 Like, oh, what about my health care? 1.00

01:42:14.000 Oh, shut up. 1.00

01:42:16.000 Oh, shut up. 1.00

01:42:17.000 It's also inherently bureaucratic. 0.99

01:42:18.000 No, but it's also like, shouldn't you be, I don't know.

01:42:21.000 I just, I'll tell you how I feel about my life.

01:42:23.000 It's like getting older, you know, probably going to get physically decrepit at some time in the foreseeable future.

01:42:29.000 That's inevitable.

01:42:30.000 That's nature.

01:42:31.000 That's like, I have that in common with every person who's ever lived. 0.92

01:42:34.000 I will die. 1.00

01:42:35.000 And if you can't accept that, if you're a baby boomer and you think the point of living is to go on vacation, which they do, because they're selfish and stupid, I don't know. 1.00

01:42:47.000 That's like, you're missing life. 0.99

01:42:49.000 Actually, the point of life is to produce new life and then help it thrive.

01:42:53.000 Yes.

01:42:54.000 There's an energy there.

01:42:56.000 Teddy Roosevelt died.

01:42:57.000 I think he was younger than I am now when he died.

01:43:00.000 Does anyone think Teddy Roosevelt didn't live a life?

01:43:03.000 He lived a very full life.

01:43:04.000 He lived a life. 0.98

01:43:05.000 And I don't think Teddy Roosevelt in his final moments is like, oh, damn, I've been cheated. 0.97

01:43:10.000 You know, if only I could get to Barbados. 0.90

01:43:12.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:43:13.000 Yes.

01:43:14.000 Like, there's something sad about everything is about maintaining an increasingly declining quality of life.

01:43:20.000 Healthcare, healthcare, healthcare.

01:43:21.000 What about building something?

01:43:23.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:43:24.000 Yes.

01:43:24.000 Am I?

01:43:25.000 I'm not.

01:43:25.000 No, I articulate it.

01:43:26.000 I just hate it.

01:43:27.000 It's sad.

01:43:28.000 And if you look at, yes, the prior generations had a different moral view, which was far less about getting another 15 years on your life expectancy.

01:43:40.000 It was about, how are my kids doing?

01:43:41.000 Yes.

01:43:42.000 So if you just look at it from pure economics, again, I'm not a eugenicist.

01:43:44.000 Do I have a mission?

01:43:45.000 Am I making something?

01:43:47.000 Exactly.

01:43:48.000 And what are you leaving?

01:43:49.000 And right now, and again, I'm not here to like make people feel bad if you're over the age of 70. 0.89

01:43:53.000 You're leaving a crappy country for your kids.

01:43:56.000 Trump is fixing it.

01:43:57.000 He's working his tail off, but there's structural stuff that he's going to have to fight like hell.

01:44:01.000 Also, stop talking about your illnesses.

01:44:03.000 I don't like that.

01:44:04.000 Stop that.

01:44:05.000 My father died at 84.

01:44:06.000 You had like a million illnesses.

01:44:07.000 That is definitely.

01:44:08.000 I never knew what they were because he never mentioned them.

01:44:10.000 By the way, that's very waspy.

01:44:11.000 Not to talk about that.

01:44:12.000 he was no, not to talk about your health stuff.

01:44:14.000 But like 70 plus a tick is like all your health stuff is like the only dinner conversation, right?

01:44:19.000 Are you joking?

01:44:20.000 I remember thinking, my father would say when he got old, these old people, all they talk about is their health. 1.00

01:44:24.000 It's so boorish and self-involved and boring.

01:44:29.000 But it's also, it's also, if you think about it, it's not very Christian. 0.86

01:44:33.000 No.

01:44:33.000 Because we're just here temporarily in the Christian view.

01:44:36.000 There's an afterlife for us.

01:44:37.000 There's the next life.

01:44:38.000 Our bodies will actually resurrect.

01:44:41.000 Christ our Lord will come back and reign over this earth in the thousand year millennia.

01:44:45.000 So we shouldn't be overly fixed that.

01:44:47.000 But until that happens, they're rotting.

01:44:48.000 We're all rotting.

01:44:49.000 By the way, it's like.

01:44:49.000 They'll just deal with it, except exactly.

01:44:51.000 Like you have an expiration date.

01:44:53.000 Yes.

01:44:53.000 And God is in charge of that.

01:44:56.000 So what do you do with that?

01:44:58.000 And so if you look at the biblical figures, they weren't like overly interested in like, you know, mastering the back nine, you know, at the Naples Country Club.

01:45:08.000 No.

01:45:08.000 It was do God wants us in four words, love God, love people.

01:45:12.000 And we've done a very poor job of that in the West.

01:45:15.000 I agree.

01:45:16.000 I agree.

01:45:17.000 Wow, Charlie, you've really, really spun me up.

01:45:19.000 So how do you get this message since so we've had a conversation for an hour and a half kind of on a you know on the what I think and you clearly think is the single biggest and least addressed issue going forward, which is how are we serving the next generation?

01:45:39.000 You know, one of the biggest lies being sold to American people right now is that you're in control of your money, especially when it comes to crypto.

01:45:46.000 But the truth, most of these so-called crypto platforms are just banks in disguise, fully capable of freezing your assets the moment some bureaucrat makes a phone call.

01:45:54.000 That is not what Bitcoin was built for.

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01:45:59.000 I just did a major transaction on it.

01:46:01.000 They offer a self-custodial wallet, which means you hold the keys.

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01:46:35.000 Do you ever notice there's a disconnect between voters and American lawmakers?

01:46:39.000 What Republican would you like to see primarily most?

01:46:42.000 Go in the comments and tell me or email me freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:46:45.000 Is it Lindsey Graham?

01:46:46.000 Is it Mitch McConnell's open Senate seat?

01:46:48.000 What Republican senator do you think most needs to lose?

01:46:53.000 Be curious to hear.

01:46:54.000 Again, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:46:57.000 But you also spend an awful lot of time like in actual American politics and the mechanics of it.

01:47:01.000 How do we get people elected?

01:47:02.000 How do we get people out to vote, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:47:05.000 Can you just be a little more precise?

01:47:06.000 So you know every lawmaker, certainly Republican lawmaker.

01:47:10.000 Why isn't like what is so hard about what you just said for them to understand?

01:47:16.000 Well, a lot of them only represent the, they only represent their voters just as kind of a, as an act.

01:47:25.000 It's not an actual thing that they do.

01:47:26.000 I think of Lindsey Graham. 0.69

01:47:28.000 And look, Lindsey Graham, I'm sure if we had him here, he'd tell hilarious jokes.

01:47:31.000 The most charming member of the Senate.

01:47:33.000 I'm great.

01:47:33.000 I'm sure.

01:47:34.000 No, he is.

01:47:34.000 He's smart.

01:47:35.000 He's charming.

01:47:36.000 But great guy.

01:47:37.000 But does he represent like the economic anxieties of a 24-year-old welder in Columbia, South Carolina?

01:47:43.000 No.

01:47:43.000 I mean, of course not.

01:47:45.000 But part of the problem is, and we're trying to fix this at turning point action, is actually the process of how difficult and how expensive it is to get good people elected in office.

01:47:54.000 We haven't figured it out, but we're working on it.

01:47:57.000 So we're engaging in Republican primaries and across the country.

01:47:59.000 So Lindsey Graham's primary. 0.97

01:48:00.000 I think Lindsey Graham is up soon.

01:48:04.000 I say this as someone who has enormous affection for Lindsey Graham personally because he's enormously likable.

01:48:08.000 But he can't get, if he gets reelected to the Senate, then it's all fake.

01:48:13.000 Obviously, he has zero interest in America.

01:48:16.000 He only cares about hunky Ukrainian soldiers or whatever his trip is with them.

01:48:21.000 He needs to lose just in order for this system to stay viable and real.

01:48:26.000 How hard would it be?

01:48:27.000 I'm going to do whatever I can to help him lose because he does need to spend time in retirement.

01:48:33.000 How hard is that?

01:48:34.000 It's going to be very difficult.

01:48:35.000 Why?

01:48:36.000 Well, for a couple of reasons.

01:48:38.000 He's going to have a ton of money, probably have tens of millions of dollars to spend.

01:48:41.000 Really?

01:48:42.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:43.000 I mean, Senate leadership will most likely pour a lot of money behind Lindsey Graham. 1.00

01:48:46.000 His numbers are underwater, but also it's going to be, he'll try to make a mess of things.

01:48:51.000 There'll be other candidates kind of thrown into the mix to try to split the vote.

01:48:54.000 Remember, it's a plurality, not a majority.

01:48:56.000 I don't think they have a runoff system in the South Carolina primary.

01:48:59.000 I could be missing.

01:48:59.000 I don't want to speak out of turn there.

01:49:00.000 But senators are really, really hard to come by that are decent.

01:49:04.000 Mike Lee is a great example of a decent person in the U.S. Senate.

01:49:07.000 He is a great person.

01:49:09.000 There's not many of them that are actually decent and that.

01:49:12.000 Eric Schmidt's a good man.

01:49:14.000 I agree with you.

01:49:14.000 Eric is a really good dude.

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:16.000 He's like as a person.

01:49:17.000 He's a Cardinals fan.

01:49:18.000 But besides that, you know, he's a great person.

01:49:20.000 But no, look, as far as how hard it is, this is why what we are doing, I think, is very exciting at turning point, but also simultaneously a threat to the Republican establishment is that we're big.

01:49:30.000 We're not going anywhere, God willing.

01:49:31.000 We're loud.

01:49:32.000 We're young.

01:49:33.000 We're energetic.

01:49:34.000 We're principled.

01:49:35.000 And we're kind of new right.

01:49:36.000 Yep.

01:49:37.000 Because we're not part of this whole neocon, you know, invade the world, invite the world.

01:49:42.000 And we got to talk immigration too, because that's a whole component of this because amnesty is going to try to be pushed by some people soon.

01:49:48.000 But we're a different flavor.

01:49:50.000 We represent a generation primarily that is mad, that is angry, but we want to channel that frustration into a prudent way because, again, we don't want a revolution.

01:49:59.000 So we're a threat to the established Republican order, and we kind of delight in that in more ways than one.

01:50:04.000 So look, we're going to be involved.

01:50:06.000 Other one that we're really involved in is Kentucky for Mitch McConnell's empty Senate seat there, Nate Morris, who's phenomenal, who's actually running on an immigration moratorium up against kind of two of McConnell's lackeys there in the open Kentucky Senate race.

01:50:18.000 And here's the thing.

01:50:19.000 If we or anybody were able to take out Lindsey Graham, that will send a signal to the rest of the conference.

01:50:25.000 That will be such a definitive signal.

01:50:28.000 And so, look, we're Going to involve ourselves in many races.

01:50:33.000 We'll see if we do Lindsey Graham.

01:50:34.000 We most likely will.

01:50:34.000 We had Andre Bauer at our event.

01:50:36.000 We're also going to be really involved in stuff in Arizona because we got to kind of get some things sorted out there.

01:50:40.000 But more importantly, is this: and this is the other structural problem.

01:50:44.000 What we at Turning Point Action, specifically our political arm, seek to do is try to make Republican voters back into alignment with their elected leaders because there's a misalignment that's happening.

01:50:54.000 And Trump was the one that exposed this alignment for the Rocks.

01:50:57.000 That's for sure.

01:50:58.000 He's like, wow, you guys are totally not in alignment on your worldview.

01:51:01.000 And I think Lindsey Graham is a perfect manifestation of that. 0.92

01:51:05.000 That's it.

01:51:06.000 It's not personal.

01:51:07.000 It's not at all.

01:51:08.000 I'm so mean to Lindsey Graham, but it's not personal.

01:51:11.000 It's just that the system is fake if Lindsey Graham keeps getting elected in one of the most conservative states. 1.00

01:51:17.000 That's all.

01:51:17.000 And the system can't be fake or else you have a revolution.

01:51:20.000 And I don't want a revolution.

01:51:21.000 Amnesty is being pushed, everybody, not by President Trump, but by many of his enemies on Capitol Hill.

01:51:27.000 Maria Elvira Salazar and others are trying to push for mass amnesty.

01:51:32.000 We tried this in 1986.

01:51:34.000 It does not work.

01:51:35.000 It does not win us over Hispanics. 0.99

01:51:37.000 It does not put the country together.

01:51:39.000 It is a mass amnesty scam.

01:51:41.000 We must stand against it.

01:51:42.000 We did not run on it.

01:51:43.000 We do not want it.

01:51:46.000 Here's more of my conversation.

01:51:47.000 By the way, before I go to that, I encourage you guys to get involved with Turning PointUSA at tpusa.com.

01:51:51.000 Start a high school and college chapter today.

01:51:53.000 Turning point USA is incredibly important, and we have an amazing campus tour that is coming up this September, October, and November on campuses across the country.

01:52:02.000 So make sure you guys check it out, tpusa.com.

01:52:06.000 So you did this.

01:52:07.000 You're very close to President Trump, I think personally and politically.

01:52:13.000 You did this amazing thing the other day where you tweeted out, amnesty is coming.

01:52:18.000 People are pushing amnesty.

01:52:19.000 You don't have to answer if you don't want, but my sense is that the president was part of your intended audience.

01:52:24.000 You just wanted people to know what was going on.

01:52:26.000 And bless you for doing that.

01:52:28.000 But I wasn't exactly sure what you were talking about.

01:52:31.000 Who is pushing amnesty and what form could it come in and how imminent is this?

01:52:36.000 Yeah, and well, firstly, the president has said no amnesty, which is great to hear.

01:52:39.000 And I'm glad he's saying that.

01:52:41.000 He should keep on saying it because he ran on that.

01:52:43.000 And so I was not surprised when he said it, but he needs to say it.

01:52:45.000 But look at Maria Elvira-Elazar.

01:52:47.000 I think that's her name, right?

01:52:49.000 She came out the other day and she is pushing an amnesty bill through Congress.

01:52:52.000 I have a text from a U.S. senator that you and I both respect.

01:52:55.000 And he said, look, there's whispers that are now becoming real conversations and chatter of amnesty.

01:52:59.000 And think of how sick and dark this is.

01:53:01.000 We passed one big beautiful bill, which is by far the greatest fortification of the southern border, the greatest deportation effort that we need.

01:53:08.000 I mean, it's legit investment to get the deportations that we voted for.

01:53:12.000 And that the ink is not even yet dry of President Trump's signature.

01:53:15.000 And almost simultaneously, we're hearing about amnesty.

01:53:18.000 And so, look, Maria Elvira-Salazar, she's saying, well, if they've been here more than five years, it's not a pathway to citizenship.

01:53:25.000 It's a pathway to dignity.

01:53:26.000 Let me tell you exactly what would happen.

01:53:28.000 How about get out?

01:53:29.000 Well, of course, hasta la vista.

01:53:30.000 How about that?

01:53:31.000 Right.

01:53:31.000 And so, but let me be even more clear.

01:53:34.000 We have no documentation of anybody that's in this country.

01:53:37.000 Undocumented is not the proper term, but it's not totally incorrect.

01:53:41.000 So all that someone would have to do, let's say an ICE agent knocks on the door of somebody and they have deportation order.

01:53:46.000 You are going home.

01:53:47.000 All they'd have to say is cinco años, five years.

01:53:51.000 And they could end all deportation in real time.

01:53:53.000 So the person's been there for three years and they'd have to just say they've been there for five years, lie, go to some judge.

01:53:58.000 It would take them four years to get in front of the judge and they'd hit the five-year threshold.

01:54:01.000 It's effectively amnesty and a loophole workaround being pushed by Ms. Elvira Salazar. 0.89

01:54:07.000 And I don't know what she's a Democrat. 1.00

01:54:09.000 She's a Republican, which the whole thing doesn't make any sense.

01:54:12.000 First of all, she's from a Cuban district.

01:54:13.000 And why a Cuban district is so worried about like mass illegal immigration is very bizarre to me, unless she has a bunch of constituents that are doing visa overstays because it's not exactly like southern border central there.

01:54:25.000 I think she's just a leftist.

01:54:26.000 I don't know what she is, but I'll just, it's very perplexing.

01:54:29.000 Number two, though, we're winning Hispanics in record numbers because we're strong on the border, because we're strong on deportations.

01:54:36.000 She's like, oh, if we don't, if we don't save this, if we don't solve this problem, we're going to lose Hispanics for a generation. 0.95

01:54:42.000 We're winning Hispanics because we're hard on immigration. 1.00

01:54:45.000 We're winning.

01:54:46.000 Also, what about everybody else?

01:54:48.000 Yeah, how about like, exactly?

01:54:49.000 And then that, that goes to the thing, the core essence of what about the actual American people that have not been represented the last 50 years in your government.

01:54:58.000 Your ancestors are here for the Civil War.

01:55:00.000 Okay.

01:55:01.000 That was, you know, whatever, 160 years ago.

01:55:03.000 Seems like you should have a say in all this.

01:55:06.000 My family came here in 1620, Alphonsus Kirk.

01:55:09.000 We've been here for a while, 400 years.

01:55:11.000 Yeah, so I mean, it doesn't, I don't think you should get two votes or anything, but I also don't think that we should ignore you on purpose, which, and it's like, why don't you be quiet, Maria Salazar?

01:55:20.000 Who are you anyway?

01:55:21.000 Stop.

01:55:22.000 When she does this ridiculous thing, she says, you know, we're going to try to have this solamic compromise of splitting the baby, which, by the way, it's not even what happened in 1 Kings.

01:55:29.000 It's a whole separate issue we could talk. 0.96

01:55:31.000 So why would you want to cut a baby in half, you freak?

01:55:34.000 She literally said that on TV.

01:55:35.000 I don't know if you saw that clip.

01:55:36.000 She's obviously dark.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:38.000 But also, the fascination of the ruling class when it comes to amnesty is very, very sinister.

01:55:48.000 It's like abortion.

01:55:49.000 They just can't give it up.

01:55:50.000 It really is.

01:55:51.000 And I've had amnesty pitched to me multiple times in every one of the ruling class havens you can imagine.

01:55:56.000 I never get amnesty pitched to me on either a college campus from like a work or like in Columbus, Ohio.

01:56:03.000 Like when I go to a football game, no one's pitching me amnesty.

01:56:06.000 But they never want amnesty for there's never amnesty for bank robbers or drug dealers or people convicted of hate crimes, I notice.

01:56:12.000 It's only for illegal aliens. 1.00

01:56:16.000 Such a good point.

01:56:17.000 And why is that?

01:56:17.000 Because they don't like the people who live here and they want to change the population.

01:56:20.000 That's why.

01:56:21.000 It's about mass demographic replacement.

01:56:23.000 Of course.

01:56:24.000 Because if you can't win over the population or if you hate the population, which they do, then you need to replace that population.

01:56:32.000 And again, this is the great replacement reality that is happening in real time.

01:56:37.000 And so we finally have this mandate.

01:56:38.000 And God bless Stephen Miller.

01:56:39.000 He's fighting his heart out every single day to get this deportation effort underway.

01:56:43.000 And the president ran on this and the president has committed to this and the president is going to get this done unless these people in Congress try to get in his way, which is that we need to deport 20 million people.

01:56:53.000 This all goes full circle, by the way, back to the young people conversation.

01:56:56.000 It's just a 2010 strategy.

01:56:58.000 We need to build 10 million new homes and make Sure, private equity cannot buy them.

01:57:01.000 And we need to deport 20 million people. 0.81

01:57:03.000 We do those two things, we're going to be a much better place.

01:57:06.000 However, we voted for it.

01:57:08.000 We have a president in office that wants to do it, that is doing it, and yet there are several congressional actors that are trying to undermine him right now.

01:57:16.000 What about the pressure you keep hearing about from different sectors?

01:57:21.000 Hospitality, I think that's real.

01:57:23.000 Ag, I don't know, is that real?

01:57:25.000 I mean, who is pushing this other than the corporate Titans for sure?

01:57:29.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 I mean, so the Ag one is interesting because we're told that we need to have mass immigration or else the crops will rot in the field, which is interesting because I thought we're going through like a moment of mass automation right now.

01:57:42.000 I kind of thought that.

01:57:43.000 So what's the argument now for mass immigration if robotics is going to take over everything?

01:57:47.000 Well, Elon just sent a video out this morning of a robot making popcorn.

01:57:51.000 So if a robot can make popcorn, he can pick less, I think.

01:57:54.000 I would imagine.

01:57:55.000 So maybe it's not about picking the crops.

01:57:58.000 Maybe it's about the fact they want to change the demographics of this country.

01:58:01.000 Yeah.

01:58:01.000 And so, but, but, I mean, but secondly, the hospitality one, maybe guess, I guess, sure.

01:58:07.000 How about this?

01:58:08.000 Hire Americans and pay them more. 0.99

01:58:10.000 There's a 7% young male unemployment rate.

01:58:13.000 Remember, I said that earlier?

01:58:15.000 Wait a second.

01:58:15.000 7% unemployment used to be called a crisis in this country.

01:58:18.000 That was during the Great Recession.

01:58:20.000 Remember, we got up to 8% to 9% unemployment.

01:58:23.000 So maybe we should go hire some of the young men that are on the sidelines of this economy and make this a nation again, not just an economic dumping ground for the third world. 0.99

01:58:31.000 So you often hear people say, well, I would love to that, but the native whites won't work hard. 1.00

01:58:38.000 Okay.

01:58:39.000 I don't know.

01:58:39.000 There's something about mass immigration that degrades the existing population.

01:58:47.000 People get less impressive when their country's invaded.

01:58:51.000 I don't know why that is.

01:58:52.000 I've always noticed that.

01:58:53.000 The UK is a great example.

01:58:55.000 It is a great example.

01:58:56.000 The Brits themselves, it's like I go to the UK.

01:58:59.000 I have family there.

01:59:00.000 I go there.

01:59:00.000 All my life, I've gone there.

01:59:02.000 And you see, you know, I always kind of like the Brits.

01:59:05.000 They're weird, but I sort of like them.

01:59:08.000 Creepy kind of, but whatever.

01:59:10.000 But they've gotten weirder and creepier over time.

01:59:13.000 They've got, as it, as it's become more Pakistani, the native-born Brits, the white Brits, have become way less impressive. 0.99

01:59:20.000 I'm not imagining this.

01:59:22.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

01:59:23.000 But also the morale goes down.

01:59:24.000 It's almost like you're a conquered nation and you know it.

01:59:27.000 London was 95% white in the 1920s.

01:59:30.000 It is now 29% white.

01:59:33.000 Now, again, I don't think whites are better than other people, whatever, but it's just not London anymore.

01:59:37.000 There's something indigenous population.

01:59:38.000 There's something exactly.

01:59:39.000 And I thought we're against mass replace.

01:59:42.000 That's ethnic cleansing, isn't it? 0.98

01:59:44.000 Well, it's literally ethnic cleansing. 0.66

01:59:45.000 I mean, I thought, I mean, we're, you know, lectured all the time about ethnic cleansing.

01:59:50.000 Again, I'm not for that, wherever it is.

01:59:51.000 I agree, but if you replace Tibetans with Han Chinese, no one's like, they're all Tibetans. 0.96

01:59:56.000 They're all Tibetans.

01:59:57.000 It's like, no, no, no, no.

01:59:58.000 It's a strategy designed to replace the Tibetans. 1.00

02:00:01.000 Again, if something fails, when you change the people, it fails to be what it wants to be.

02:00:06.000 Of course.

02:00:07.000 But it also, it has a dispiriting effect on the people being replaced.

02:00:12.000 And they're not what they were all of a sudden.

02:00:15.000 It's hard to measure, but it's so true. 0.99

02:00:16.000 It's so noticeable.

02:00:17.000 It's noticeable.

02:00:19.000 You feel it.

02:00:19.000 You see it.

02:00:20.000 Again, it's not going to, this is what's so important about conservatism in the new era.

02:00:24.000 A lot of what drives us will not always show up on a chart or a graph.

02:00:29.000 Because look, a lot of this I talked earlier is like numbers of, you know, homeownership, but something as simple as that is so true.

02:00:35.000 Their morale is down.

02:00:37.000 They believe goofy and weird stuff.

02:00:39.000 They almost have this strange fetish in London that they like being conquered. 0.53

02:00:43.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:43.000 That they're like enjoying the slow motion rafa.

02:00:46.000 No, like daddy.

02:00:48.000 It's like, it's like, no, seriously.

02:00:49.000 Oh, I agree.

02:00:50.000 It's like this weird sexual attitude. 0.98

02:00:52.000 Like, yes, Islamists, you know, come into my country. 1.00

02:00:55.000 Like, what?

02:00:57.000 No.

02:00:57.000 And it's just, I don't know what that is, but I will say this, though.

02:01:02.000 I will make a hypothesis, though.

02:01:05.000 It's the immigration cuck, I think we would say. 1.00

02:01:07.000 No, it is, though. 0.97

02:01:07.000 But a secular nation cucks out for sure. 0.97

02:01:12.000 100%.

02:01:14.000 And so what does that mean?

02:01:15.000 When you don't believe in a divine power, I mean, they're super secular in the UK.

02:01:19.000 Then all of a sudden they need to have some sort of belief system.

02:01:22.000 So their like reason for being is that their master is some Muhammadan from Afghanistan.

02:01:28.000 Totally right.

02:01:29.000 And again, I debated at Oxford and Cambridge back in May.

02:01:33.000 These are broken, conquered cities and towns.

02:01:36.000 They're completely unrecognizable.

02:01:38.000 London, especially, is just gone.

02:01:40.000 It's a husk of its former self, as you would say.

02:01:42.000 It's a museum.

02:01:43.000 It's depressing.

02:01:44.000 It brings down your soul.

02:01:45.000 I agree.

02:01:46.000 And when I go walk through Piccadilly Square and there's just more Muslims than native born whites, or there's something wrong about that. 1.00

02:01:55.000 And that is a metamorphosis that, and you have to wonder, like, did you vote for this?

02:01:59.000 Did you want this?

02:02:00.000 Did you invite it?

02:02:01.000 And so something about the two, it's the way it happened.

02:02:04.000 It's the scale of it.

02:02:06.000 And what's really interesting, what's really a head trip, which I'd recommend to anyone, is going from London to Riyadh or London to Dubai or London to Doha.

02:02:14.000 I've done all of that.

02:02:16.000 And you're in London and you're like, man, we've got a huge problem with Muslims. 1.00

02:02:19.000 Like they're bad. 0.98

02:02:20.000 And then you go to Doha or Riyadh or Abu Dhabi or Dubai or any other Gulf.

02:02:26.000 And you're like, man, I love Muslims because they're awesome.

02:02:29.000 So how do you?

02:02:30.000 I don't understand exactly what's going on.

02:02:32.000 It has to do with, and let me just say, in point of fact, I've never been where I am not currently anti-Islam, especially. 0.87

02:02:40.000 It's not my religion.

02:02:40.000 I disagree.

02:02:41.000 I think it's wrong, but I'm not mad.

02:02:44.000 And I'm not mad at Gulf Arabs.

02:02:47.000 I think they're amazing.

02:02:48.000 They're amazing.

02:02:49.000 They couldn't be more tolerant, open-minded, kind.

02:02:52.000 Just great.

02:02:53.000 I mean, things I don't agree with, but in general, they're great.

02:02:56.000 And I have even said, you know, because you can say whatever you want in their countries, because as long as you're not attacking the leadership, they have free speech in a way that we don't, which is really wild.

02:03:06.000 But I've said at dinner, like, what is that?

02:03:08.000 Why am I so happy here in, you know, pick the Gulf capital versus London?

02:03:14.000 And what is the deal with the Muslims in London or Cologne or Berlin or whatever?

02:03:19.000 Like, what is the difference?

02:03:20.000 I've never gotten a straight answer.

02:03:22.000 But I do think part of it is mass migration of any kind is a lot.

02:03:28.000 It's a lot.

02:03:29.000 It's a lot.

02:03:29.000 And it has bad effects on everyone involved.

02:03:33.000 The immigrants and the conquered. 0.99

02:03:34.000 And also, I think that there's just a lot of third world Muslims that are going to be able to do that.

02:03:38.000 Well, there's also that.

02:03:39.000 I mean, Doha is a very industrial, you know, very 300,000 citizens at first.

02:03:44.000 Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Riyadh are very first.

02:03:47.000 Karachi is not exactly.

02:03:49.000 No, Karachi is pretty intense.

02:03:51.000 Is it?

02:03:51.000 I would say Karachi is pretty intense, yeah.

02:03:53.000 I wouldn't put Pakistanis up with. 1.00

02:03:56.000 No, though.

02:03:56.000 I've had amazing meals with people in Peshawar, Pakistan, who are like reading P.G. Woodhouse novels and are super smart and have all these languages and stuff.

02:04:06.000 I don't know.

02:04:06.000 There's something about immigration, though, mass migration that degrades everybody involved.

02:04:12.000 I just noticed it.

02:04:13.000 This is not an ideology that I have.

02:04:15.000 It's just something I've picked up from traveling a lot.

02:04:18.000 And you just become just, so you have two options.

02:04:20.000 I mean, and the UK has decided just to kind of just bend over and take it.

02:04:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:25.000 Which is just you can fight it and resist.

02:04:26.000 They've been doing that for a long time.

02:04:28.000 No, that's kind of their whole shtick.

02:04:29.000 Oh, I know.

02:04:30.000 Post-World War II.

02:04:30.000 With a cane.

02:04:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:04:32.000 It's just, that's their whole thing.

02:04:35.000 Can President Trump fix the immigration crisis?

02:04:37.000 I make a bold prediction here.

02:04:39.000 We need a lot of deportations, and I put numbers on it.

02:04:41.000 But in America, we've actually, we're finally having a different attitude to mass immigration, which is we can now talk about it.

02:04:46.000 We can question it.

02:04:47.000 We can vote against it.

02:04:48.000 The question is, can we remove it?

02:04:50.000 And that, again, that's one of the biggest public policy challenges in front of us.

02:04:55.000 Can we remove the 20, 30, 40 million people that have come here illegally? 0.99

02:04:59.000 And what President Trump is embarking on doing is one of the hardest, most difficult things that we could possibly come to.

02:05:05.000 Do you think it has a shot?

02:05:06.000 I think we can get to 10 million this term.

02:05:08.000 And that would be huge if you count self-deportations for sure.

02:05:12.000 Wow.

02:05:13.000 Are we on track to do that?

02:05:14.000 We have a million self-deportations already, guesstimated.

02:05:18.000 And I can tell you anecdotally in Arizona, like a construction project happening right down the street from where we live, they said that whole crew of, you know, kind of laborers self-deported.

02:05:28.000 They hired Americans the next day, or at least people that were here legally. 0.55

02:05:32.000 So there is anecdotal evidence of self-deportation occurring.

02:05:36.000 And the margin at least under Eisenhower, when he did mass deportations, is 10 people self-deported for every one forcible deportation.

02:05:44.000 And so CNN just did a special of a guy and his family that's self-deporting from Pittsburgh, you know, adios.

02:05:50.000 So look, I think the goal needs to be 10 million this term.

02:05:52.000 10 million would be a massive accomplishment.

02:05:55.000 That would make the country a considerably and measurably better place.

02:05:59.000 Is there any effort or even conversation about getting the refugee system under control? 1.00

02:06:04.000 Oh, without a doubt.

02:06:04.000 Yeah.

02:06:05.000 I mean, I think that, first of all, it's a scam.

02:06:07.000 Why do we owe refugee status to anyone? 0.52

02:06:09.000 No one's ever explained that.

02:06:10.000 I don't know if we, again, this is a really important point.

02:06:13.000 Almost all of the excesses, mass migration, refugee, is because the left has weaponized inherited Christian principles against us.

02:06:21.000 So we as Christians, we have an open-heartedness towards refugees.

02:06:24.000 It says what we should do that in the scriptures.

02:06:27.000 It doesn't mean that we should do that blindly.

02:06:28.000 So what the left does is they take good-hearted Western Christian beliefs and they totally weaponize them for their kind of remake the body politic of America.

02:06:38.000 Here's what I find so unchristian about our refugee system, even before the left distorted it, or maybe they distorted it from the beginning, is Christian charity is the responsibility of the Christian. 0.98

02:06:48.000 So all these Christian groups and Jewish groups and lots of different groups, but a lot of Christian groups, Catholic charities, Lutheran social services, all these groups that use the gospel to justify it, bring in families or individuals and then offload the cost onto taxpayers.

02:07:05.000 It's like, how does that work?

02:07:06.000 How is it charity?

02:07:08.000 If I take your money and give it to somebody, do I get credit in heaven for stealing your money and giving it away?

02:07:13.000 I don't think so.

02:07:13.000 Yeah.

02:07:14.000 And also, it says in the book of Deuteronomy, one of the last things Moses says, it's this farewell address, like Deuteronomy 28, off the top of my head.

02:07:20.000 Be careful who you allow within your gates, within the country, because they will soon become your masters. 1.00

02:07:24.000 Well, and boy, is that not to find out how true that is.

02:07:29.000 Phenomenal truth from the scriptures, as always.

02:07:31.000 But look, the yes, I know the Trump administration and President Trump, they're trying to strip refugee status of the 500,000 Haitians.

02:07:39.000 I mean, that is just grotesque.

02:07:41.000 I would say.

02:07:42.000 And so I think every single one of them has to be returned back to Haiti. 0.99

02:07:44.000 By the way, it's like this great contradiction.

02:07:47.000 Haiti is a wonderful place that everyone should go visit, the left tells us, but they don't want Haitians in their neighborhood. 1.00

02:07:53.000 It's like, okay, well, which one is it exactly?

02:07:55.000 Haiti is an amazing place.

02:07:56.000 It's the best place ever.

02:07:57.000 It's not a shithole nation at all.

02:07:59.000 It's incredible.

02:08:00.000 Stephen Colbert actually goes on vacation there.

02:08:03.000 But everybody in Haiti needs to get out immediately. 1.00

02:08:06.000 No, that's exactly terrible.

02:08:07.000 And you have to pay for it.

02:08:08.000 It's so wonderful that they have to be allowed to leave to your community, but not my community.

02:08:13.000 I just hope that this last two hours that every member of Congress sees it, sees what you said.

02:08:21.000 I was like trying to keep up with your analysis, which is the sharpest I've ever heard on that subject.

02:08:28.000 Like what's, you know, what is the crisis among young people?

02:08:31.000 I think you described it better than anyone.

02:08:32.000 And I really hope people listen to what you're saying.

02:08:35.000 Well, thank you.

02:08:36.000 And I mean, we cover this on our show every day.

02:08:38.000 People can follow the podcast.

02:08:40.000 And thank you, Tucker, for your leadership on this.

02:08:42.000 Look, there's a lot of issues to cover, but this one is going to supersede every single one.

02:08:46.000 I think that's right.

02:08:47.000 Because it's going to be President Mamdani.

02:08:50.000 And he's not even a real socialist. 0.99

02:08:52.000 He's just a like trans, nonsense, lifestyle liberal bull like all of them. 1.00

02:08:58.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:08:58.000 Even Marxist, right? 0.99

02:09:00.000 Exactly.

02:09:01.000 Exactly.

02:09:02.000 If he was like a wobbly, at least I'd be like, respect.

02:09:05.000 But no.

02:09:06.000 Anyway, thank you.

02:09:07.000 Everyone, I want to hear your thoughts on my conversation here with Tucker Carlson.

02:09:10.000 And just doing me a favor, text this video to your friends right now.

02:09:14.000 It is going very, very viral.

02:09:16.000 And thank you, Tucker Carlson, for having me sincerely.

02:09:18.000 And thank you.

02:09:19.000 Tucker gave me the green light when I sat down with him.

02:09:21.000 He said, Charlie, clip this up and send it out far and wide.

02:09:24.000 Well, thank you, Tucker.

02:09:25.000 There's a real crisis and emergency happening with Gen Z. They are getting poorer. 1.00

02:09:29.000 They are not getting richer as proportion of their purchasing power.

02:09:32.000 And it is a financial emergency.

02:09:34.000 If we do not fix it with prudence, if we do not fix it with practical judgment and wisdom and resist ideological fervor, you're not going to like what happens next.

02:09:44.000 It's going to be Mom Dani on steroids coming to Birmingham, Alabama, Wichita, Kansas, Des Moines, Iowa, Denver, Colorado, Flagstaff, Arizona. 1.00

02:09:51.000 We need to calm this down.

02:09:53.000 We need to make young people owners again.

02:09:55.000 Make Gen Z owners. 0.56

02:09:58.000 When young people own stuff, all Of a sudden, their life starts to get ordered. 0.89

02:10:02.000 We are seeing mass disorder, mass calamity, mass disillusionment, mass chaos, and we seek here to try to fix it.

02:10:09.000 This conversation is only the first step that I hope can be a serious national project where we have 20 million deportations, 10 million new homes, and a moratorium on legal immigration so we can figure out what the heck is going on.

02:10:21.000 This is a national project that will counter whatever the left has.

02:10:24.000 We do not want free stuff socialism.

02:10:26.000 We do not want the confiscation of wealth.

02:10:28.000 We do not want to see businesses have their stuff taken from them. 0.99

02:10:33.000 That is socialistic Marxist garbage. 0.97

02:10:35.000 Instead, we want to save markets. 0.99

02:10:37.000 We want to save private property.

02:10:39.000 We want to save this beautiful civilization because there are forces that seek to destroy it.

02:10:44.000 Again, get involved with Turning Point USA, everybody, tpusa.com.

02:10:47.000 And if you want to see my upcoming campus tour, tpusa.com, that is tpusa.com.

02:10:54.000 The upcoming campus tour, we're going all across the country.

02:10:57.000 We're even going intercontinental, possibly.

02:10:59.000 I'll allow you guys to guess where that might lead us.

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02:11:08.000 It's going to be more viral and more powerful than ever.

02:11:10.000 God bless you guys.

02:11:11.000 Thank you so much.

02:11:13.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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02:11:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 27, 2025

My Annotated Conversation with Tucker Carlson

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