00:00:39.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:15.000I used to run a training program for doctors in my specialty to do ICU and lung medicine.
00:01:23.000And in COVID, you know, I like to say that I was a pulmonary and critical care physician at a time when the world got hit with the pulmonary and critical care pandemic.
00:01:52.000We've researched the ends of the earth about anything that works.
00:01:56.000And we put together really effective protocols.
00:01:58.000And what we've been trying to do is try to give folks agency and give providers, physicians, and people, you know, knowledge on how to treat this.
00:04:24.000So in the course of that, when we discovered that corticosteroids were critical, then we started adding other elements.
00:04:30.000And then right around October, November of 2020, Paul Marrick, who's one of the founders of the group, you know, we were reviewing all of these trials on a lot of different substances that were being tested, and everything was coming back negative.
00:04:44.000Like tosalizumab was failing and convalescent plasma and a whole bunch of other compounds.
00:04:49.000And all of a sudden, ivermectin was showing a signal that was so consistent, reproducible from different pockets of the globe, different little centers, big centers.
00:04:58.000And, you know, Paul started to talk about it.
00:05:01.000And then I started to write this big review paper, which we'll talk about what happened to that later.
00:05:05.000But at that time, we heard of this guy, Chris Martins, and people were like sharing videos.
00:05:11.000And there's this guy like saying the same thing we are.
00:07:13.000So it's, I started to see some of this.
00:07:18.000I saw some of these dynamics happening before COVID, but what's happened in COVID is unprecedented.
00:07:25.000What the kind of whole medical system has done, the way it's reacted, has been not only a terrible failure, but the system that it created explains that, right?
00:07:38.000The system that you, how it's designed, is the results you get.
00:07:41.000And so, this top-down totalitarian approach, where they literally restrict not only the ability, the autonomy of physicians to try new medicines, to use different medicines that have maybe different levels of evidence base, to even openly discuss some of the things they're using.
00:07:59.000The incentive payments coming out of the government to only use certain medications.
00:08:03.000And the whole thing is just the way it coalesced into this really very totalitarian state.
00:08:12.000So, if you look at the NIH treatment guidelines, which is generally what every hospital in the country follows, comes out of the NIH, and they put down what they think should be used.
00:08:21.000And so, there are drugs like remdesivir, right, is on there.
00:08:25.000And then, a lot of what I call the IBS and abs, so baracitinib and tosilizumab and sotruvumab and casavirumab.
00:08:33.000I can't even keep up with all the abs, Chris.
00:08:36.000But all of them are actually high-cost, large-dollar items, and that largely represents our entire therapeutic approach, with the exception of dexamethasone at a small dose.
00:08:49.000And there are written lintel legislation that every hospital, when they use those medicines, like remdesivir, they get 20% add-on payment to their bill.
00:09:01.000I mean, there's a massive financial incentive built into the system to ensure these medicines are being used.
00:09:08.000And how absurd and terrifying that fact becomes is because remdesivir is the centerpiece of their hospital treatment.
00:09:16.000If anyone has an objective look at the data on remdesivir, it does not work.
00:09:35.000So, if you look at the trials that were not run by pharmaceutical companies, the ones that were done by kind of independent research institutions, all of those show either no effect or a trend to harm.
00:09:47.000There's a signal that you will do worse if you get remdesivir.
00:09:51.000The pharmaceutical company trials look like it's a good drug, and they did some shenanigans with those trials.
00:09:56.000And so, I believe you have actually a drug that has corrupt evidence behind it, and it's made it the standard of care.
00:10:03.000And we actually pay hospitals extra to use it.
00:10:05.000Dr. Martinson, one of the great frustrations for me, kind of just a regular citizen looking at this, caring a lot about, obviously, politics and the philosophical underpinnings, has been that I was naive enough to believe that in a scientific community, that would be the one place where objective measurement and data would prevail over dogma.
00:10:30.000Now that I look at the last two years, there are political arguments I get into where both sides are completely dogmatic, where I can find more reasonable middle ground than between two doctors that might disagree.
00:11:09.000I watch people double down and triple down on losing positions that are indefensible, that are costing lives, and all of a sudden I couldn't make sense of it anymore because it's not in logical territory anymore.
00:11:19.000We have to go into some weird psychological territory to understand.
00:11:22.000Just from a temperament, maybe you don't have an answer, neither of you have an answer to this.
00:11:25.000I would think that scientists or doctors would be the least committed to kind of just some abstract phrase or soundbite or talking point.
00:11:39.000I guess that's been an eye-opener for you as someone who's dedicated your life to science.
00:11:44.000Has it been a learning lesson in some sense of just the state of Western science or world science?
00:12:04.000So for instance, I was well known in my specialty for a few areas of expertise prior to COVID.
00:12:11.000So I'm one of the world pioneers in a field called point of care ultrasound, where we literally use ultrasound probes instead of the old stethoscope.
00:12:22.000So I'm pretty well known for that field, as well as research in and around the use of high doses of intravenous ascorbic acid, which is vitamin C. You're speaking my.
00:12:31.000By the way, don't go into a health system talking about how a vitamin works.
00:12:36.000You know, like you try to convince people that there's actually an intravenous vitamin works.
00:12:41.000Believe me, you're going to run into implicit data.
00:12:50.000What we know now, we probably should be using higher doses, but it's in particular in one model, which is septic shock, which is an area I'm an expert at.
00:13:45.000So I like it that he's, you know, I'm an ICU doctor and he's like, yeah, you and your 1.5 grams every six hours.
00:13:51.000You know, we were just starting out and that was, that was a dose that was kind of arbitrarily chosen.
00:13:56.000And we found that it works, but it's very time sensitive.
00:13:59.000One of the really interesting areas that we're interested in exploring is, is it that if you give it later, you just have to give higher doses?
00:14:07.000And so we don't have good trials for that.
00:14:09.000But I'll tell you, going back to the bias question, I could not convince my partner.
00:14:16.000So I also, part of my bona fides, right, is I used to be the chief of the critical care service at the University of Wisconsin, as well as the director of what's called their Trauma and Life Support Center, which is their main medical surgical ICU.
00:14:27.000So I had a position of clinical leadership.
00:14:30.000I had about 17 what are called intensivists under me or with me.
00:14:34.000And when I came out with my research and my practice on IV vitamin C, I would say about four of them sort of were like interesting, started using it, put it into their practice.
00:14:46.000And I was roundly attacked by the rest.
00:14:49.000And no matter how much data came out, they fought me on it.
00:14:53.000And then, and you're going to find the same thing in COVID, is what happened was a whole slew of trials were done on IV ascorbic acid, and they all failed to show benefit.
00:15:07.000And that's one of the real big problems in science is each and every one of those trials gave the therapy so far into septic shock that they weren't showing the mortality benefits that we knew from the early, from when you give it early.
00:15:20.000And so, but they don't sweat the small stuff.
00:15:23.000They see trial after trial and big journal after big journal.
00:15:26.000And then they call like Corey and Marek.
00:15:28.000So I have to talk about Paul Marrick because he's really the pioneer in this in this therapy.
00:15:33.000We were all discredited and sort of attacked and dismissed for this.
00:15:37.000Well, that's super interesting for me because what you're saying is that there was a pattern or there was a harbinger of immediate dismissal of differing opinion well before COVID in the scientific community.
00:15:50.000And by the way, that's not that unusual of an example, or it's actually pretty applicable to COVID because vitamin D booster shots, if given to the whole population, very well might have helped people if the level was over 50.
00:16:06.000I haven't seen any public health awarenesses or kind of around that.
00:16:09.000So I want to get into kind of a specific question that Dr. Martinson, I think you might be able to speculate and help us explore together.
00:16:18.000Is Omicron the real vaccine that we've been waiting for?
00:16:23.000It's such an interesting, interesting thing.
00:16:25.000So if you had given me a sheet of paper and said, write down everything you want, I would have written down exactly what Omicron is, maybe with even slightly milder effects, but it's mild, hyper-transmissive, has all the great features of the prior versions, right?
00:17:07.000And then your body has to rally around an antigen that's in a muscle.
00:17:10.000That's not the normal way your body gets exposed to things.
00:17:13.000Nature said you get exposed through your pharyngeal area or your gut.
00:17:18.000And so if you do get that vaccine, you know, we have an oral polio vaccine, right?
00:17:22.000There's other ones that do squirt up the nose.
00:17:24.000It's a great place because your body knows what to do when it sees it up there, right?
00:17:28.000And it mounts a very vigorous, full-spectrum immunological response.
00:17:32.000So not only is this Omicron awesome in that way, but it only really preferentially inhabits your nasopharyngeal.
00:17:38.000It doesn't go to the lungs and it replicates like crazy up here and it spreads like wildfire.
00:17:44.000So honestly, if you had told me somebody created this as a white hat operation to create an aerial airborne vaccine, I would give them the Nobel Prize.
00:18:12.000So there's two big parts of the virus.
00:18:14.000There's the envelope and all the envelope proteins, and then the spike protein everybody's heard about.
00:18:18.000The spike protein, when you look at its genetic makeup, it actually, its nearest progenitor, you have to chase all the way back to about April 2020.
00:18:29.000It hasn't gone through any of the changes.
00:18:30.000There's two types of changes that the code can go through.
00:18:32.000One's called the synonymous change where you flip something, but it doesn't change the structure at all of the amino acids.
00:18:38.000Another one is non-synonymous and you get these mutations.
00:18:40.000So you can look at that mutation structure, just like if you went to 23andMe and said, do I have any cousins in town, right?
00:18:46.000And you might be able to figure that out through the genetic structure.
00:18:48.000So when we look at Omicron, its spike protein comes to us from April 2020.
00:18:53.000And that's as rare as if we did 23andMe on your staff and we found out one of the boys out there was the son of George Washington directly.
00:22:11.000I was about to say, so, based on what you're telling me, Fauci in two years will take credit for the Omicron variant, that he was actually funding it in a lab in Cape Town.
00:22:28.000So, I mean, if we want to speculate, here's the speculation I have: I am 99.99% sure that the original SARS-2 came out of a lab, right?
00:22:38.000There's a lot of genetic information for that.
00:22:40.000It's probable that they were doing all sorts of research in that lab at the same time, not just creating the accidental SARS-2 if that was an accidental release, but they were probably working on a lot of other things, including this thing, right?
00:22:51.000They probably were working on, because we know the white hat story they have of self is that they were working on vaccines and they were actually looking to create airborne vaccines for bats that they wanted to create so they could pre-inoculate bat populations so that things wouldn't come out of the bat population into humans.
00:23:08.000So we, good chance they were working on vaccine technology there and this would sort of fall under that possibly.
00:23:15.000I find it to be the most incredibly compelling basis for an action novel that a group of scientists could potentially be working amidst a pandemic to release a variant that could actually solve the pandemic.
00:23:49.000It's very hard to trust what's really happening.
00:23:52.000I have some ground level data that I just got out of some colleagues in one major medical center.
00:23:57.000And so that kind of has been making me think.
00:23:59.000But if you look at South Africa, it was not deadly.
00:24:03.000While it ripped through that population, the hospitals were emptying.
00:24:07.000I don't even know if there's, there was, I think, maybe a couple of attributed deaths to Omicron, but it's not even clear if it's directly from or like what we say is COVID on the side.
00:24:15.000You know, they had some other problem and they tested positive.
00:24:19.000There's a study from Denmark also showing the same thing.
00:24:27.000We are in the midst of just a wildfire of Omicron here, right?
00:24:31.000I think yesterday it was three quarters of a million positive tests, which is probably much less than the amount of infections that were diagnosed on that day, right?
00:24:39.000Not everyone's getting tested at this point.
00:25:13.000I'm really busy right now treating Omicron, but I'm not hearing from those kind of folks.
00:25:17.000Then there's people who reach out to me.
00:25:20.000None of them are getting severely ill or going to the hospital, but they have what I call significant symptoms.
00:25:25.000So they can get really painful sore throats, sometimes high fevers, lots of fatigue, you know, what we call myalges, you know, muscle aches and whatnot, lots of congestion.
00:25:35.000Not a lot of loss of taste and smell with Omicron.
00:29:33.000Please, you know, I have to tell you, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about vaccines, but one of my standard statements is we have to stop talking about unvaccinated and vaccinated.
00:30:02.000Well, so for the, I don't have really good citable data for the vaccinated are getting it worse, but I will tell you, they're definitely getting it more.
00:30:11.000The getting it worse is more clinical experience and exchanging with a large network of early treatment physicians who their general gut sense.
00:30:20.000And when a clinician has a gut-spidey sense, that's how we live.
00:30:22.000So like when they say, you know, I think I'm seeing a little bit worse disease in the vaccinated, that to me is compelling.
00:30:29.000Now, it's not, again, definitive data, but the more frequent data, we're seeing that out of Germany, out of Alberta, Denmark, even, they showed that much higher rates of the vaccinated were getting COVID.
00:30:43.000So it has a negative efficacy at this point.
00:32:49.000So the way I would sum that up is what you are seeing is the terrible consequences of a decades-long war, which is ramped up in COVID, of the entire pharmaceutical industry attacking what are called repurposed drugs, off-patent, low-profit, safe, generic medicines.
00:33:17.000If you have a disease model, especially a novel disease model, in which now a market opens up for therapeutics, and that entire pharmaceutical industry has literally the potential gains of about hundreds of billions, probably if you include the vaccines in those markets.
00:33:34.000And they've done this for years in lots of disease.
00:33:36.000It's well known and described in oncology and cardiology.
00:33:39.000But here in infectious disease, unfortunately for the pharmaceutical industry, is that doctors discovered that these older, repurposed drugs had antiviral properties.
00:33:50.000They were ridiculously slate, widely available, really cheap, and they did a really good job against this disease.
00:33:58.000They have fierce powers at influencing and destroying the evidence of efficacy around older medicines.
00:34:07.000And I can detail you sort of how they waged that war, but the simplest is as follows.
00:34:13.000You cannot believe anything that I say about this if you don't at least understand that the agencies are fully captured by the pharmaceutical industry.
00:34:23.000None of this would happen if they weren't fully under the control and influence of the pharmaceutical industry.
00:34:28.000In fact, if you look at any action or policy around a therapeutic or a vaccine in this pandemic, whatever it's written, whatever comes out each day, ask yourself, if I was a pharmaceutical company, how would I write that policy and why would I make this decision?
00:34:45.000And your answer would be that's exactly what a pharmaceutical company would write.
00:34:49.000And it's happening day after day after day.
00:34:51.000Okay, we just talked about Omicron is mild.
00:35:01.000It has negative efficacy through vaccines.
00:35:03.000So what do I have to wake up to the other day?
00:35:06.000Which is the FDA approving boosters for 12 to 17 year olds.
00:35:11.000So divorced from scientific principles, so clearly corrupt, so clearly with the sole intent of increasing the market of arms available to get a vaccine, that it's, I can't say it's no longer shocking because the brazenness and the records of absurdity are being set on a daily basis.
00:35:33.000They're literally, it's an assault on our lives and the entire public health, not only of this country, but it's across the world.
00:35:40.000And so I, you know, there are narco-states, right?
00:35:42.000States which are largely controlled and operated by, you know, drug lords.
00:35:46.000I believe that the United States is now a pharma state.
00:35:49.000I think it's literally run and operated by pharmaceutical companies.
00:35:54.000They have long had Anthony Fauci as the spokesperson.
00:35:57.000He has done their business, bidding for 40 years, well described in Bobby Kennedy's book, extremely well detailed, highly referenced, showing that action after action.
00:36:07.000And by the way, let's take ivermectin as an example.
00:36:10.000So this non-approval of ivermectin, this attack against ivermectin, look back to the AIDS epidemic with a drug called Bactram, which was what they used for the deadly pneumonia that was killing all the AIDS patients back in the 80s.
00:36:22.000Lots of doctors, frontline doctors treating these AIDS patients.
00:36:26.000They knew from oncology that cancer patients who got that pneumonia responded really well to the old drug called Bactram.
00:36:48.000And it's estimated back then that that non-approval over those years in the 80s, at least about maybe 59,000 AIDS patients died unnecessarily and prematurely for lack of treatment.
00:36:58.000So the idea that these policies don't have these terrible downstream effects has been recognized for decades.
00:37:06.000But here, the way they fought this one is the first thing they do, it's called disinformation.
00:37:11.000It's actually, I keep citing the paper.
00:37:14.000It's a group called the Union for Concerned Scientists.
00:37:16.000They wrote this article a few years ago called the Disinformation Playbook.
00:37:22.000And it talks about the tactics that corporations will use when science is inconvenient to their interests.
00:37:29.000And these tactics were actually perfected and invented by the tobacco industry, which had a really long run of lots of success at suppressing inconvenient data for their product, right?
00:37:40.000And there's many examples of it happening ever since.
00:37:43.000But the disinformation that they've used around ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
00:37:47.000So first of all, 2020 was the war on the repurposed drug hydroxychloroquine.
00:38:29.000So they took that one down on safety, right?
00:38:31.000So even my own doctor at one point said, oh, we all know that that'll create heart issues because of the QTC prolongation.
00:38:37.000So I went back and I looked and the WHO had done this big review of all these different anti-malarial drugs and hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were a class of them.
00:38:44.000They looked at, they looked back through 50 years of data and they reported in 2017, zero deaths could have been actually ascribed from heart failure due to either chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, which is safer.
00:39:09.000And so, you know, it's, you know, that first year, so we have colleagues, so like Dr. Peter McCullough, people know, he's always spoken out.
00:39:17.000He was probably the early treatment pioneer.
00:39:19.000He is one of the early treatment pioneers in this country.
00:39:23.000Him and his colleagues who were treating early back in 2020, they knew it worked.
00:39:28.000Myself and my group, we were so buried in hospital work.
00:39:31.000We were trying to figure out how to treat the hospital phase of the disease.
00:39:34.000It was only when we discovered ivermectin as an earlier day that we started to get a lot more involved in the early treatment aspect.
00:39:40.000But hydroxychloroquine by doctors, frontline physicians, has been known to be highly effective many places around the world.
00:39:46.000It's in guidelines in many countries, and doctors across the world are using it.
00:39:50.000And I would be remiss if I didn't add that, interestingly, as one of the known experts on ivermectin, I'm finding in Omicron, hydroxychloroquine is actually equal to or probably better than ivermectin.
00:40:03.000I'm getting better, more robust responses from hydroctectin.
00:40:06.000I use them in combination, so it's sometimes hard to parse the two differences.
00:40:10.000But I have had now enough patients tell me that after they got their hydroxychloroquine, after having been started on ivermectin, they could feel an improvement much more rapidly after starting hydroxychloroquine.
00:40:22.000So that story and the sinister actions they took are very well documented.
00:41:24.000I study toxicology, which is drug interactions, pharmacodynamics and kinetics, and what happens.
00:41:29.000So this brilliant toxicologist worldwide, Jacques Ducote, he goes through 500 papers on ivermectin, looks everywhere he possibly can, and concludes this is one of the safest drugs you could possibly find.
00:41:42.000So they couldn't take it out in safety.
00:41:44.000So they went down this crazy thing of it being a horse dewormer, right?
00:41:48.000When obviously we use it for scabies, we use it for uncostoriasis and all sorts of things, right?
00:41:54.000So all of a sudden, it's just a horse dewormer to the point where I guess it was just yesterday on Jimmy Kimmel, they had anti-vax Barbie and she's drinking horse dewormer, you know, or something, horse paste.
00:42:02.000And it was amazing how effective that was because it's very effective.
00:42:06.000Because even the FDA, even the FDA itself said, you know, stop y'all.
00:42:11.000And to show you another action to show that we do live in a state controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, this is what happened in August of this year during the big delta wave in the summer, is that the prescriptions, we have this data, the prescriptions for ivermectin were hitting 90,000 a week, well over 20x of baseline.
00:42:52.000First, there was reports in the media that were quickly debunked, but not debunked quickly enough to not spread across the world, right?
00:43:00.000And you saw one of the absurd, and by the way, hats off in a bizarre sense to whatever PR executive came up with that headline, which is, you know, the ERs are overflowing with ivermectin overdase, right?
00:43:12.000So that gunshot victims can't get care.
00:44:27.000It says ridiculous things that are either half-truths, mistruths, or just clear manipulation tactics.
00:44:33.000For instance, they say repeatedly in all of their communications: the FDA has not approved this for ivermectin.
00:44:41.000If you know anything about the FDA, they were never going to approve it for, I mean, for COVID, because it's already approved.
00:44:48.000Off-label prescribing is not only legal, but historically, it's actually even been encouraged by the FDA.
00:44:55.000And so, just so you know, that influence over the doctors, and most doctors are not critically thinking about this, they're not open-minded.
00:45:02.000They actually have so much implicit faith and trust into the good guidance of these agencies that when they see someone like me and my group as highly credentialed and published as we are, you know, we have somewhere somewhere around 1,500 to 2,000 peer-reviewed publications amongst our group.
00:45:18.000All of us are well-known in our specialty.
00:45:21.000I mean, I thought we had unassailable credentials, but they won't listen to us because the agencies say it's a horse deworm.
00:45:29.000Now, let's get really dark about this.
00:45:30.000I got a text last night from a good friend of mine, a good friend of his.
00:45:44.000And so, I had to scramble to try and help, you know, but it's when have pharmacists ever decided that you can't have a drug?
00:45:52.000Well, listen, that fight with the, so I have a sub stack I've been writing, and I wrote one on a Saturday night fight at the pharmacy, and I basically detailed, you read it.
00:46:01.000I detailed one particular, and by the way, that's been happening to me forever.
00:46:05.000And, you know, we talked about this a little bit before we came on, but it's literally, I wouldn't say an underground railroad, but we basically like, I have to find safe haven pharmacies, and generally they're compounding pharmacies where the and you have to find you know, sympathetic pharmacists that are willing to fill because they know that the system's corrupt or they know that the evidence is there.
00:46:27.000It's easier to get fentanyl in America than ivermectin.
00:46:30.000I retweeted your tweet today, and I put in like maybe four more thoughts about how corrupt that is.
00:46:37.000And so I was going to ask you guys about it, and you brought it up, but I want to kind of zero in on it, which is the pharmacist issue.
00:46:44.000That's a whole different component, right?
00:46:46.000So, that memo that went to the state department, the departments of health, that went to all the physicians, that was lockstep with the pharmacy thing.
00:47:05.000So the forces of pharma, when you have these agencies captured, if you want the nation to stop using ivermectin, I mean, literally, it takes a memo that's sent electronically to all the departments of health.
00:47:19.000And all of the departments of health will fall suit.
00:47:22.000They didn't factor for one variable, though.
00:48:22.000I'm tobacco out of Western Kentucky, whatever, Marlboro, wherever they're headquartered, you know, where all the tobacco farms are.
00:48:29.000I could hire enough lobbyists to choke point that.
00:48:31.000What's been shocking is how effective they've been to choke point where everyone has a supercomputer in their right-hand pocket.
00:48:39.000Well, the way I understand that, and this is probably, I'm going to go a little bit outside my lane as a physician, but I'm a close student of all things COVID and what's going on in the world right now.
00:48:48.000But the way I understand that, because I have the same question, how can they exert such homogenous and widespread global powers over information, you know, in all major media in many, many different countries?
00:49:02.000Not total, because there's been outbreaks.
00:49:03.000There are actually countries out there that are doing wonderfully with some of these repurposes.
00:49:10.000But the way I understand it, and Chris is probably a bigger student than I am, but I'm going to talk about the consolidation of financial power, right?
00:49:17.000So if you look at the three largest multi-trillion dollar investment funds, right?
00:49:23.000They come down to the three, which is BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard.
00:49:28.000They essentially own control, influential or outright controlling stakes in every entity that we're talking about, every corporate entity that is involved in COVID.
00:49:39.000So the entire pharmaceutical industry, they have controlling or influential stakes in all of major media.
00:49:45.000And so when you wonder how they can exert such widespread and ferocious control, I mean, right down to YouTube, like YouTube community guidelines, it's so unsubtle.
00:49:56.000The third bullet point is you are not allowed to say anything nice about hydroxyl.
00:50:03.000You cannot talk about the effectiveness of hydroxyl.
00:50:06.000Literally, what would a pharmaceutical company do if they were to write those policies?
00:51:12.000How are they so powerful that Belarus knuckled under and Italy and Spain and the UK?
00:51:18.000Only Sweden is the only country I'm aware of that really just in Europe that just went its own way on this whole thing and they've got great results to show for it.
00:51:37.000It's the lack of listening to data anymore.
00:51:39.000And it's also misinformation where, you know, as much as we've been students and we've lived this on the front lines and we've been deeply studying all things COVID, I do want to put, you know, call attention to the average citizen out there and how badly I feel for them in terms of they're starving for good information, if not literally dying for lack of good information.
00:52:02.000You know, they're going to hospitals with literally corrupt protocols being offered.
00:52:06.000The medical system has completely failed.
00:52:09.000And the only positive thing I'll say about it is I think it's failed so spectacularly that it's ripped open exactly what underlies it, which is this profit motive.
00:52:19.000Now, people can ascribe other motives too.
00:52:22.000I like just to stick with profits because I'm most comfortable there.
00:52:25.000And it's sort of the oldest trick in the book.
00:52:28.000But this horrific profit motive that's so baked in and embedded into the way our health system works and especially how it's responded to this disease.
00:52:38.000It's been about vaccinating as much and selling as much medicines as we can.
00:52:42.000Massive, massive, untold of profits prior to this.
00:52:48.000I think it's more, you go there, Chris, because I just want to stick in my little lane here because then it gets really spooky.
00:52:55.000Well, it raises for me the idea that COVID didn't create this.
00:52:58.000It merely exposed what was already corrupt and rotten.
00:53:01.000So maybe this is sort of fourth-turning institutional failure moment, right?
00:53:04.000But, you know, this is where we're at.
00:53:06.000We're seeing the SEC comprehensively fail, the CDC, the FDA, the FE, the Fed, et cetera.
00:53:11.000I mean, like, I'm hard-pressed as an American to say which institutions do I trust at this point, but this exposed, to your earliest question.
00:53:28.000Bureaucracies exist first to protect their Leviathan.
00:53:31.000That's the only incentive they have, right?
00:53:33.000And that's where when Fauci's email came out on Friday evening, January 31st, he's emailing Hugh Auchencloss.
00:53:40.000The most important data point is what bureaucrat works at one o'clock in the morning, only if they're trying to cover something else.
00:53:47.000It's the only reason a bureaucrat would work.
00:53:49.000And so you kind of have these kind of self-perpetuating machines in all sorts of different sectors that cover for them, cover for one and cover for the other.
00:54:03.000Also, this has given a lot of previously irrelevant people meaning and purpose, notoriety, celebrity.
00:54:11.000And I hate to say it, but it feels very similar to the Lockheed Martins and the Northrop Grummans that really wanted to see war for a couple decades.
00:54:23.000The same sort of pattern of behavior, the same sort of lies in front of the United Nations that were told we have this much weapons of mass destruction.
00:54:30.000I know that's not in the lane we're talking about.
00:55:38.000And he said, whatever the protocol guidelines are.
00:55:41.000But he said, Charlie, most of these nurses, they really have no idea what they're doing, or it's just about kind of management at best, not intervention.
00:55:54.000And I checked this morning, NIH guidelines, treatments still say there's not enough information for or against vitamin D. They're neutral on it.
00:56:00.000When there's tons of data on vitamin D, randomized controlled trials, epidemiological data, observational prospective, you name it.
00:56:07.000Wait, wait, Chris, is that because they're waiting for the results of that very large multi-center double-blind randomized control trial that they funded in the beginning?
00:56:15.000And that's about to come to completion.
00:56:27.000And that's, you know, the things that when I started to really scratch, I literally, when I started to see some of the actions that were failing at science from the beginning, I actually ascribed it to stupidity.
00:56:45.000So, for instance, when I heard that literally, as a national policy in March of 2020, they were restricting the use of hydroxychloroquine to hospitalized patients only.
00:58:02.000But, you know, the vitamin D, it was so clear these obscene proportions of nursing home residents that were dying, obviously elderly and comorbidly, but vitamin D had to play a role.
00:58:14.000The decades of knowledge that the entire country, good portions of the country, especially low-income inner city populations, and something as benign as vitamin D, like, how about just check a vitamin D level?
00:58:26.000And, you know, like, can't that would be like just a prudent, sound, pragmatic practice.
00:58:31.000Like, hey, doctors of America, why don't you check vitamin D levels as we fly through this pandemic?
00:58:37.000And that way you can identify those division and replete.
00:58:41.000Precautionary principle, solid medicine, reasonable, kind of unassailable, right?
00:59:05.000So we have an analyst that works with us, covers a lot of the epidemiologic data going around the world and different programs and success stories of ivermectin.
00:59:14.000One of the things that he picked out is that he was looking at what happened after, you know, when I gave testimony in the Senate, it went viral, right?
00:59:45.000And, you know, we learned afterwards that not only was there a huge upsurge in interest in ivermectin, because there's this doctor screaming about this drug that's working, right?
00:59:54.000So people like got nothing else to treat it.
01:00:02.000We started hearing more and more, I guess, anecdotes, but doctors just immediately started to use it and they were seeing just phenomenal effects.
01:00:13.000And then we started hearing reports of nursing homes.
01:00:16.000So there was one famous study that came out of France from very early on where there was a scabies outbreak in a nursing home.
01:00:22.000And a standard protocol for a nursing home, if there's a scabies outbreak, is everybody takes ivermectin, all the patients and all the staff.
01:00:30.000And they noticed that in that nursing home that kind of serendipitously had a scabies outbreak, I think it was early March of 2020, nobody died and very few went to the hospital.
01:00:43.000Meanwhile, all around them in nursing homes, large proportions were getting sick and going.
01:00:48.000And they said, gee, I wonder if it's the ivermectin that everybody wants to do.
01:00:52.000And it was just a month after that in Toronto, they had the same thing, but it was a floor.
01:00:56.000It was just a floor and like a multi-story.
01:00:59.000Even a better study, if you want to design a study, let's just give this floor ivermectin.
01:01:03.000You almost as if to say we had a cruise ship out in the middle of the Pacific and we could be able to tell how infectious the disease was, but we never had such opportunities early on to match the ladies.
01:01:16.000But so just to finish this aspect, which I found fascinating, because the analyst just came up with this data recently, a few weeks ago, and I was shocked.
01:01:23.000But if you look up into the time of the testimony when the word got out about ivermectin, and I think people started looking at my paper, because my paper, I detail some of this data that we're talking about.
01:01:35.000The proportion of all U.S. deaths from COVID that were in nursing homes was around 30%.
01:01:41.000They were contributing 30% of all U.S. deaths.
01:01:44.000And right around mid-January, suddenly the proportion of deaths that are coming from nursing homes plummeted to around 5%.
01:01:52.000And they've been like that ever since.
01:01:56.000At the same time, we had reports from nursing home directors.
01:01:59.000I think the nursing homes figured it out.
01:02:01.000And so directors, they started treating everyone with ivermectin upon controlling outbreaks, preventing hospitalization.
01:02:10.000And so when you talk about this pharmacy thing about how your friends or family are telling you they can't get pharmacy, well, maybe they should become a nursing home resident because nursing homes tend to have their own pharmacies.
01:02:21.000They don't have to go to Walgreens counter and deal with some smug, arrogant pharmacist who knows not what he's talking about or she or she most recently is talking about.
01:02:30.000They can just get access to it in the nursing home.
01:02:33.000So I consider nursing homes almost a safe haven from COVID because you can get access to cheap, repurposed medications without dealing with these manipulated, mind-manipulated blockades at the pharmacies.
01:02:45.000I have a good friend who is a residential care facility operator, and he just got a hold of all this data and just went exactly the direction you're talking about.
01:02:53.000The kicker is going back to this profit thing.
01:02:56.000Man, I'm so tired of talking about profits.
01:02:58.000But is it in the best interest of a nursing home to keep their patients in-house or does it work for them to go to the hospital?
01:03:06.000I know you've been bashing profits, of which I agree when it comes to the pharmaceutical companies because their incentive is to addict you, but it's the opposite incentive for the nursing home, isn't it?
01:03:16.000They didn't want to wait around for the mutagenic Molnu Piravir or the Spaxlova.
01:03:21.000They were like, yeah, let's use something now because we just lost 30% of our patients in the first few months of this.
01:03:31.000So, I mean, you see how these profit motives are influenced by just incredible behaviors.
01:03:35.000And so, you know, and then going back to the, you know, I had, you know, Chris has to do, Chris is a guide to a lot of people who reach out to him.
01:03:54.000And so, you know, we're literally having to do this like blockade, navigate through a blockade of restricting access to life-saving medicines.
01:04:04.000Yeah, for me personally, people know that we know people that can get them ivermectin.
01:04:10.000And again, I'm not a doctor, but I'm also not an idiot.
01:05:51.000Yet every paper across the land screened and vilified the unvaccinated for not getting with the program and for actually fueling a worsening of the pandemic when there were no vaccines in 2020.
01:06:05.000So suddenly, when everybody was unvaccinated, their unvaccinated status was not something to be vilified.
01:06:12.000When only a minority were unvaccinated in 2021, they had to be vilified.
01:06:16.000And so just by the fact that it was worse in 2020, now you could say, okay, maybe there was, you know, an unfortunate variant that made things worse in 2021.
01:06:24.000Well, you could also have to ask the question, was that the vaccine?
01:06:27.000So there's nobody can argue that things got better.
01:06:31.000Now, when you want to go how bad things got, we can get into that because I think, you know, here's what I want to say about vaccines before anything else is that The policies and lies told, let's not even talk about the data on safety, efficacy, protection, but the aberrant behaviors around these vaccine policies should give pause.
01:06:56.000One of the most screaming ones was this natural immunity, this willful overlooking of natural immunity, which shocked anyone who has half a brain in medicine, knows anything.
01:07:41.000We had a gold standard study a month prior to that that came out of Israel that looked through a million eight people and came up with 800,000 case, 863,000 case-matched studies to look at.
01:07:53.000And they said, wow, this stuff is 27 times protective and da-da-da-da-da.
01:07:58.000And the CDC went out and funded a really methodologically shoddy study, put it up on their website and pointed to it over and over again with help from the media, with help from there's an epidemiologist named epidemiologist named Paul Alexander.
01:08:12.000And, you know, that's one of his many increasing areas of expertise.
01:08:16.000But I think he's compiled 140 studies showing the profound and enduring protection of natural immunity.
01:08:22.000So, but even when we didn't have the 140 studies, they were racing around wanting to vaccinate people.
01:08:28.000Like literally who there were doctors in this country who, when an unvaccinated patient got COVID and then they recovered, the doctors would be like, you need to get vaccinated.
01:08:38.000Like the world has gone completely mad.
01:08:56.000The FDA actually said, do not check antibodies before vaccine.
01:09:02.000So I mean, I started to get really scared here.
01:09:04.000Like now, you know, restricting hydroxylchloric went to the hospital, ignoring natural immunity.
01:09:10.000And then all of the toxicity data, which we'll talk about.
01:09:16.000And then I got to see all the media mentions and literally health officials in this country repeatedly saying like a mantra, almost like the mantra of horse dewormer, but the two words, safe and effective, safe and effective, over and over, every single article.
01:09:32.000As the deaths were climbing to 10, 15, 20,000 in an underreported database, you still saw major media articles saying not one death has ever been proven associated with the vaccines.
01:10:08.000So it's not only propaganda, but then it's censoring.
01:10:11.000So they start to see, you know, because some of us who started to follow the toxicity data in the VARS database, and I would argue Chris is one of the first.
01:10:21.000I mean, he talked to me, we were hanging out in early January or actually maybe, yeah, early January, I remember, Chris, we had a discussion and you and what we call your tribe, a lot of your followers who follow your work and read your work, you know, were really alarmed.
01:10:39.000Like we'd never seen the spike in events, adverse events, as well as deaths.
01:12:16.000And then you saw the last thing I want to say is a paper.
01:12:19.000I think one of the first paper, I can't even remember the timeline again anymore, Chris, but you know that one paper where they finally showed like number needed to treat to save from COVID and then number needed to harm.
01:12:30.000And it was literally based on highly underreported data.
01:12:35.000It was showing that you were more likely, you're essentially more likely to harm someone from the vaccine than help them.
01:12:40.000So if you ask like how this vaccine's been going, that data was retracted within days.
01:13:11.000First, we're going to shield them from liability, but we're going to put this VARES system in place to catch early signals should they ever arise.
01:13:17.000So that's the VAER system is supposed to catch early signals.
01:13:21.000And then they come out and say, well, there's a signal there, but you can't tell anything from it, but they don't actually study any of it.
01:14:05.000The people on the front lines almost instantaneously will say it.
01:14:08.000I could say that from firsthand experience.
01:14:10.000Well, and now we have this all these hospital staffing issues, and they're trying to pretend like it's because of the unvaccinated, but the truth is there are a lot of unvaccinated frontline healthcare workers.
01:14:20.000I get contacted all the time by PAs, nurses, doctors who say, I can't take this because I've seen the impact of this in my emergency room.
01:14:27.000So I want to read something from you guys, for you guys.
01:14:29.000I need to find the statistic, and I'll have you answer it while I'm finding it because it's really important.
01:14:34.000And we've had a couple people email it to us, and they don't know how to respond.
01:14:38.000And it's from the New York Times, and it's a chart.
01:14:41.000And it shows unvaccinated people die at this rate, and vaccinated people die at this rate.
01:14:46.000Essentially, saying unvaccinated people are XYZ more likely to die of the virus than unvaccinated people.
01:14:58.000Well, what I would respond is you would have to trust the U.S. data to believe that that's a valid conclusion.
01:15:06.000And there's no evidence that you should trust it.
01:15:09.000First of all, they're not sharing that data.
01:15:11.000We do not get granular data state by state or hospital data.
01:15:15.000Chris, like you had mentioned, I think the only state that made the mistake of actually openly sharing their public health data was Oklahoma at one point.
01:15:23.000So you got to put the U.S. to the side.
01:15:26.000And I've already given examples of lies and a lot of malfeasance, right?
01:15:31.000So again, what would a vaccine company want you to believe?
01:15:36.000They would want you to believe that the efficacy of this vaccine is so high, it'll prevent you from dying from COVID.
01:15:42.000And they would only want to talk about COVID.
01:15:44.000They wouldn't want to talk about all-cause mortality.
01:15:46.000If you look outside this country to other countries that do openly share on sometimes a week-by-week basis, the proportions of people in the hospital that are vaccinated in the ICUs, that's not the conclusion that that public health data shows.
01:16:02.000That public health data actually shows that there's a higher proportion of vaccinated in the hospital in those areas.
01:16:10.000And so the discord, why Americans don't, you know, why Americans somehow get so protected from COVID vaccines when others don't, that's the question that should be asked.
01:16:22.000Why is that graph in the New York Times when it doesn't comport with any other country that's sharing that data?
01:16:28.000Yeah, so this, I mean, this is not a satisfying answer, but literally every time I've dug into U.S. data, it's just a nightmare.
01:16:39.000The truth is, we haven't been collecting good data all the way through, whether it was vitamin D serum level, so we could have detected that signal early on, or now the vaccine data, there is no interest in collecting that data, none about what's going on.
01:16:51.000And so another anomaly, my memory is being jogged now.
01:16:55.000So remember way back when, when suddenly this rule came out of one of the captured agencies that don't test vaccinated patients anymore?
01:17:40.000This is somewhat anecdotal, but it's good data.
01:17:42.000So they said so far there's like around 800 children have died from COVID, right?
01:17:46.000So somebody sent me the data and they said, well, in the Wonder system, I can pull down 137 records where I can see the records for the children that died.
01:18:54.000This is a little bit off topic, but you brought it up.
01:18:57.000But in the middle of this war that I've been fighting for COVID, you know, I'm well known in my specialty, and I sometimes do legal case reviews.
01:19:06.000I do expert testimonies on malpractice cases.
01:19:08.000And I actually was the expert witness for George Floyd's civil case.
01:19:13.000In the middle of all this, I still remember the day I got the call.
01:19:18.000They wanted to make sure I could keep this confidential.
01:19:20.000And I was hired and I did a 12-page report where I had to, I actually had to describe in excruciating detail every physiologic event and the chain of it that was happening in those videos.
01:19:34.000And I had to debunk all of these dumb arguments that he didn't die a result of essentially asphyxiation.
01:19:41.000And you brought, I don't know, you brought it up and you brought back a memory, but it was one of the many devastating things that I've had to see and witness and live through in this.
01:19:51.000No, I only mention it because you know that there were articles that came out that showed that he was COVID positive.
01:20:52.000I've had fact checkers, scientists, experts, Facebook, you know, 23-year-old spoiled brats who just graduated from UC Berkeley tell me that's a conspiracy theory.
01:21:12.000So what I would invite all those people to say is, okay, then please provide me the explanation for why publicly available, widely commended and recognized data that in that state, they essentially eradicated COVID.
01:21:42.000At the time when they were recording these ridiculously low positivity rates, such that they couldn't find active cases in most of the state, the rates were so.
01:21:58.000I mean, you could go down what we call the differential.
01:22:00.000I think it's a control state right next door in Kerala, right?
01:22:03.000And which purposely outlawed the use of ivermectin and they had curves like that.
01:22:08.000But if you look at Uttar Pradesh, I do have to talk about it because I think it is one of history's greatest public health achievements.
01:22:18.000And in a different time, in a different world that wasn't so controlled and corrupt, that would have been front page news around the world.
01:22:28.000And because what they achieved is nothing short of remarkable.
01:22:33.000What they did is they used a force of 70,000-plus healthcare workers that they sent across the state, 97,000 villages.
01:22:42.000They had rapid antigen testing, and they did tight contact tracing, quarantining, and early treatment and prophylaxis.
01:22:51.000And those components are all described.
01:22:53.000And, well, it depends what you read because sometimes it's some of the components are buried.
01:22:57.000But that's a complex conspiracy theory you have in there.
01:23:04.000Why is it then they didn't spread it to other states?
01:23:06.000Because that's only about 27% of the population in India.
01:23:09.000It's about a billion people in India, more or less.
01:23:11.000And why hasn't Modi done a better job of telling the story internationally?
01:23:16.000Yeah, the likely answer to that is: well, let me finish by saying this.
01:23:22.000At the end result of that effort, phenomenal effort, and really the mainstay, the core that they did, because a lot of people have been doing quarantine and contact tracing and all of that.
01:23:32.000But really, they treated everyone early with ivermectin and they gave household members ivermectin and all the healthcare workers were on ivermectin.
01:23:39.000And we have the documents from showing that that's actually what was in the kits and what they were doing.
01:23:45.000And around late August to September of 2021, they had a period where they did two and a half million tests with only 200 positives, which is a 0.007% positivity rate, which is effectively zero.
01:23:59.000They had 67 out of 75 districts in the state without one active case.
01:24:04.000That would be like the U.S. having like 40 states without an active case of COVID.
01:24:10.000So what they achieved in a state where they did massive testing is almost like it should give you like almost tingles down your arms because it's such a phenomenal public health achievement.
01:24:24.000You ask, like, why isn't it across the state?
01:24:26.000So why didn't go to Delhi or Bangalore?
01:24:28.000I don't know that I'm going to answer why.
01:24:30.000I'm just going to give you two other data points.
01:24:33.000When the health ministry leaders were sharing that data and the data was becoming public, the two major newspapers in India, one was called India Today, and I think the other one's Hindustan Times.
01:24:48.000They covered it with a big headline, The Success of Uttar Pradesh.
01:24:53.000And in that article, they talked about what a great job they did and how the WHO had complimented them for their efforts and the contact tracing and quarantining.
01:25:03.000There was one word that was not present in either article.
01:25:34.000I mentioned it because, you know, we've been on this on this Uttar Pradesh kick for four or five months now when it first got, you know, publicized.
01:25:41.000And I've been, I keep on learning and I keep on getting more cynical, unfortunately, just in this one space.
01:26:08.000No, because it's all part of the same play, right?
01:26:11.000It's suppressing information of efficacy.
01:26:13.000So the fact that those major newspapers, you know, any journalist worth their salt would have mentioned, and it's so willfully removed from the report.
01:26:24.000And also, and India is also quite corrupt.
01:26:33.000I could do like a quick rundown of other Uttar Pradesh type programs.
01:26:38.000So Mexico City, winter of 2020, same thing.
01:26:42.000A band of, I would call them renegade public health officials, which I, they're from what's called the IMSS, which is sort of like the Mexico Social Security System group, which other governs a lot of their healthcare system.
01:26:55.000They decided that because Mexico is so badly hit at that time, they instituted 250 mobile testing centers to the hardest hit areas and they put out around 54,000 treatment kits and they collected the data on hospitalization.
01:27:11.000And any which way they did it, if they compared it before the program to after or during the program, who got the kit and who didn't, you saw anywhere from 65 to 75% reduction in the rate of hospitalization.
01:27:49.000The last thing that I want to tell you about is our colleagues in Brazil just put up on a preprint server about a week ago, and we covered it in one of my organization's weekly webinars.
01:28:00.000But it's the largest study on ivermectin to date.
01:28:03.000And it's a ridiculously carefully done study because it happened in a city of Brazil called Itajay, which is of German descent.
01:28:10.000They pride themselves on technologically, they're completely automated as far as their health informatics.
01:28:18.000And they did a program where they offered the city's inhabitants the opportunity to take ivermectin.
01:28:24.000This is back in June of 2020 to December.
01:28:27.000And of the 188,000 that showed up to be enrolled in the program, about 130,000 decided to take the medicine two days at the beginning of the month, two days in the middle of the month.
01:28:40.000And they followed, they were able to look at all of this data, and all of the data is complete because they had it so that the data collection instruments had to be fully filled out.
01:28:50.000So it's remarkable what they achieved.
01:28:52.000And what they showed was a massive reduction in the chance of getting COVID, even larger reduction in the chance of going to the hospital with COVID, and even larger reduction in the chance of dying with COVID-somewhere around between 60 and 70% reductions in hospitalization and death.
01:29:17.000The one thing I want to say is when I talk about that trial, you're talking about 180,000 full records of patients who did and didn't take ivermectin.
01:29:26.000No, that's the other thing is everybody on ivermectin were fat or sick or older.
01:29:31.000They had more diabetes, more cardiovascular disease.
01:29:34.000They were heavier and they were older.
01:29:36.000And even if you don't match for severity, they outperformed the younger, healthier group that didn't take it.
01:29:44.000The other thing that's so bizarre is that although they had this prevention program, they weren't treating the patients with ivermectin.
01:29:52.000Once they got sick, they went into this bizarre supportive care only strategy, which a lot of this country was doing at that time, which is don't treat this thing, just do supportive care and wait for the randomized control trials.
01:30:05.000And so they weren't even treating with ivermectin.
01:30:07.000So I would argue that that study in Itajay is the minimum of what ivermectin is capable of because they weren't even using it in treatment.
01:30:16.000They were just using it in prevention.
01:30:18.000And as Chris just pointed out, when they look at those who were taking the medicines, they were actually able to log like who was picking up the pills, how much they took.
01:30:26.000So who was that they compared non-users to sometimes users to regular users?
01:30:31.000And like Chris, a dose response is a phenomenal finding in science, especially when you're studying the therapeutic.
01:30:37.000It's another pillar of evidence that something works.
01:30:39.000And they saw the same thing that the more regularly you used it, the better your outcomes were.
01:30:44.000And it was clearly statistically significantly different from the irregular users to the regular users.
01:30:50.000You want to know the downside to all this, though?
01:31:50.000Even those who got COVID when they were on prevention, the breakthroughs, they just went to the hospital and died less.
01:31:56.000So it still would ensure an easier course and a kinder course.
01:32:01.000So Rochelle Walensky said unvaccinated people are 20 times more likely to get the virus, 17 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 10 times more likely to die.
01:33:04.000Listen, that's between you and your doctor, your own risk profile.
01:33:08.000But if you're a public health official, if you're Rochelle Walensky, if you're a Fauci, if you're one of these people, you're going to get scored on one metric and one metric only, which is all cause mortality.
01:34:00.000Charlie, did you see the life insurance data from last week?
01:34:04.000So this was the thing where, like, I actually think, so this Walensky statement that you just said, you know, I like how Chris has said, you know what?
01:34:14.000Let me be kind, and it's hard for me to be kind.
01:34:16.000Let's just say that she's correct in that you're going to fare worse from COVID if you're unvaccinated.
01:34:22.000The point is Chris making is if you only, that's what they want you to do.
01:34:26.000They only want you to focus on the supposed beneficial impacts on, because I don't trust the data either, but let's give it to her.
01:34:34.000Let's say, fine, your chances of dying from COVID-19.
01:34:37.000But what are your chances of dying from everything?
01:34:39.000So, if the vaccines are actually a public health benefit, those that are vaccinated are going to fare better in terms of health and longevity.
01:34:48.000The data in 2021 actually shows in a number of papers that all-cause mortality has increased in the vaccinated.
01:34:57.000They're not dying from COVID necessarily more, but they're dying from other causes.
01:35:16.000And this life insurance company said they put out in a report, and I guess someone did a follow-up article, but basically, for 18 to 64-year-olds, this is a $100 billion life insurance company that they saw a 40% increase, which is four times what they would consider like a large catastrophic event.
01:35:35.000They saw a 40% increase in all-cause mortality.
01:35:40.000And it could not be explained by COVID deaths because the claims.
01:36:00.000So it was such an alarming report because finally, now you're not because that's why I don't want to talk about that data from the CDC.
01:36:07.000You want to talk about the data where it matters.
01:36:09.000And why would a life insurance company want to talk about alarming data?
01:36:13.000The fact that they're paying out way more, 40% more claims than they've typically had.
01:36:18.000But to be fair, the CEO, he genuflected at the vaccine altar and said, so we're going to raise rates in areas with high unvaccination rates, right?
01:38:01.000Most of the deaths were not claimed as COVID.
01:38:04.000And as a similar rise with those deaths, is they were reporting record claims of disabilities that they've never seen before.
01:38:12.000So they're literally a life insurance company is now reporting record life insurance payouts as well as disability.
01:38:21.000So, if you ask about whether this is a benefit to the public, if you ask your friendly life insurance company, they would say something's funny here.
01:38:39.000And the conclusion from that is, listen, whatever the so we know that I think the last date I heard was something horrifying, like 100,000 people died from opiate overdoses.
01:39:25.000Yeah, that's where this whole thing just, you lose me immediately.
01:39:27.000That's why even I make this mistake of constantly talking about unvaccinated, vaccinated, when it's like, really, it's about untreated and treated.
01:39:34.000The data that I just showed you from around the world, all of those early treatments.
01:39:37.000Should have been the original Pfizer trial, right?
01:39:39.000So first, they give us relative risk reduction rather than absolute risk reduction, but they should have said, here's your placebo should have been in early treatment people compared to the vaccine.
01:39:50.000And if you can beat that, I think you got something.
01:40:11.000We now know from a document from Project Veritas that Major Joe Murphy and the DARPA document, page four, wrote that ivermectin works throughout all phases of the illness because it both inhibits virplication and modulates the immune responses, things that you've been talking about.
01:40:26.000This document was hidden in a secret folder.
01:40:29.000Does that make either of you think that they've known that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine works this entire time from the top levels?
01:40:38.000Well, we know that hydroxychloroquine was actually in an NIH paper around original SARS.
01:40:43.000So classic SARS comes out in 2002 and 3.
01:40:45.000By 2005, there was a paper out from NIH researchers saying hydroxychloroquine is an effective potent inhibitor of this, at least in an in vitro setting and also a mouse model, I believe.
01:40:57.000And if you look at the, so I call this repurposed drug war.
01:41:02.000So this PR campaign on ivermectin, the war on ivermectin in 2021, if you know, the fact that they waged that war in 2020 through these fraudulent research studies, fraudulent papers, mentions, you know, the YouTube, you couldn't talk about it anymore.
01:41:45.000And so they want that to be the standard of care.
01:41:47.000And, you know, the other thing I want to say, Charlie, is that, you know, for those of us, and like you, you know, that naivete comment that Chris made before, like, I cannot, I cannot be cynical enough.
01:42:00.000I mean, every time I'm more cynical, I find I'm still being naive about stuff.
01:42:03.000But if you wonder, could they, would they really do that?
01:42:07.000Would they really suppress evidence of efficacy of a cheap, widely available drug when, you know, hundreds of thousands of Americans are dying?
01:42:16.000What about that together trial, though?
01:42:30.000And then they put together the Together trial, supposed to be the gold standard.
01:42:33.000They run it in the UK, and these doctors decide that they're going to dose people with hydroxychloroquine.
01:42:37.000So A, they give it to them in hospital, so it's late, as we've discussed, right?
01:42:41.000You want to give that early, not when they're on ventilators.
01:42:43.000And they gave them, Charlie, they gave them 2,400 milligrams of hydroxychloroquine.
01:42:48.000It's that low, high, right at the level of toxicity.
01:42:54.000And then 800 milligrams daily thereafter.
01:42:57.000So they were giving whole grams of this stuff to already very sick people and then said, oh, look, they're dying.
01:43:03.000And then literally they use that to fuel this horrific reluctance and aversion to using hydroxychloroquine.
01:43:13.000But that war, that war that they wage, when you ask yourself, how rapacious could a company in an industry be by allowing hundreds of thousands of Americans to die when there was actually an effective treatment that they could have recommended?
01:43:43.000They do not care about the loss of life.
01:43:45.000You look at drugs like Avandia, 60,000 people died of heart attacks.
01:43:49.000The drugs like Viox and Bextra, and like you just mentioned, we are still in the throes of an opioid epidemic with over 200 or I don't even know.
01:44:40.000And so, but nowadays, you know, the last 20 years, if you look at the last 20 civil settlements that have been paid out by the pharmaceutical industry, it's 13 billion in civil penalties and 6 billion in criminal penalties.
01:44:52.000That does not include the Sacklers because that hasn't been adjudicated yet.
01:44:57.000I wrote it down, but what I said, it's been happening.
01:44:59.000It's outside of just the pharmaceutical industry.
01:45:01.000There have always been people that have rationalized death for profit.
01:45:07.000I mean, from Roundup is a great example, right?
01:45:09.000I mean, they knew their product was hurting women that were gardening and they were inhaling this chemical that would cause brain tumors and those settlements are ongoing.
01:45:20.000Tobacco, another great example, kind of one that is the third rail, but alcohol.
01:45:24.000The alcohol industry kills a lot of people every single year.
01:45:27.000And people say, well, it's, you know, people, you know, use it.
01:45:31.000They spend hundreds of millions of dollars on alcohol-based propaganda every single year to try to normalize it and to try to get it into movies and music and so on and so forth.
01:45:41.000So, yeah, it is, it shouldn't shock people is what we're trying to get at, though, is that this idea of kind of hurting people for profit.
01:46:35.000But, you know, at that time where the CDC did that corruption action and tried to scare all the state departments of health and pharmacy boards, the Louisiana Pharmacy Board did the same and put out some threatening post page on their website telling the pharmacist to shy away and don't fill prescriptions.
01:46:54.000He said, you guys are practicing medicine without a license.
01:46:56.000And he wrote a very sharp reported opinion.
01:46:58.000And in one of his arguments, he said, he said, you're telling me that pharmacists just found a conscience after handing out opiates like M ⁇ Ms for the last decade?
01:47:12.000Okay, I want to ask a couple other questions kind of around some of these topics.
01:47:16.000We're going to jump around a little bit.
01:47:18.000And I have some notes of some things that you guys mentioned that I wanted to follow up on.
01:47:22.000And feel free to take it on things that you want to make sure you mention.
01:47:25.000Here's one in particular, though, that is really important, which is, do you guys see any evidence at all whatsoever?
01:47:32.000And I want to start with you, Dr. Mortensen, which is around or link between infertility and the vaccine or any sort of disturbing trends in that regard.
01:47:56.000And the second one was when I pointed out that the yellow card system in the UK had shown 30,000 women had reported reproductive cycle issues, right?
01:48:04.000Their menstrual cycles were thrown off.
01:48:06.000They were having ultra-heavy bleeding, clotting, cramping, all kinds of stuff.
01:48:11.000And so what I noted was I went back to the Pfizer safety data, which they had put out as part of their application.
01:48:17.000And I said, of all the side effects they possibly list, which is part of informed consent, they didn't even mention something that was striking so many women, you couldn't have missed it.
01:48:25.000So I pointed that out, and then I got a strike for that because I was, you know, medical misinformation.
01:48:30.000Now it's getting more widely known and women are writing about it.
01:48:33.000There was a big reason article that I think broke that open a little bit.
01:48:36.000But now it's whenever I post that and I say, hey, look, here's this thing.
01:48:40.000Women's reproductive cycles are messed up.
01:48:42.000By definition, that's a fertility issue.
01:48:45.000When you put that up, women just start pouring in with their personal anecdotes around this.
01:49:37.000I've had multiple reports from small areas, like it's not small, but like city hospitals where they go, oh my gosh, we had eight stillbursts within a window when we should have a half of one on average, right?
01:49:48.000So we're seeing large increases, but nobody is gathering that data.
01:49:52.000Yeah, you think that would be probably a pretty interesting or urgent thing for public health officials, right?
01:50:44.000So I'm going to read you an article if that's okay.
01:50:47.000And I don't mean to be on my phone here, but I just want to make sure I, you know, get this correct, which is this new article came out today.
01:50:55.000I saw it on Google News, which is that COVID-19, new study shows risk of severe illness and stillbirths for unvaccinated pregnant women.
01:51:07.000So they say to prevent stillbirths, this according to Forbes CBS News, isn't it interesting?
01:51:12.000And you mentioned this earlier, Doctor, how they're able to kind of get it to every single type of news outlet very quickly.
01:51:18.000It's almost like there was an Operation Mockingbird that was stood up in the 1960s and 70s.
01:51:25.000So they want you to get vaccinated to prevent a stillbirth.
01:52:07.000So we're in a discussion with some colleagues, and we're trying to share with them this really alarming all-cause mortality data.
01:52:15.000So there's this one really compelling paper that's on a pre-print server.
01:52:19.000So it's not peer-reviewed in a major journal, which shows alarming all-cause mortality for all aged deciles from a big European database as well as the U.S. database.
01:52:31.000And in sharing that with a colleague, they sent me back eight papers published in peer-reviewed journals, which show the opposite.
01:52:41.000And we know any adverse vaccine analyses are not going to get published.
01:52:47.000And so, you know, if you want to believe in the implicit faith and lack of control over the medical journals, then what's appearing in the memo are factual, up-to-date, and true.
01:52:58.000We know that women are complaining about this.
01:53:01.000Huge chat groups that we're forming on social media around women sharing their experiences after vaccination.
01:53:07.000Even in the FLCCC, we have had a daughter and a niece of people who work within this, both who lost babies after vaccination.
01:53:17.000And so we know it's out there, know the data's out there, but either it's not being collected, no one's doing the research on it, or it's not being published.
01:53:25.000We have countless emails on our show of these stories.
01:53:29.000And the fertility, so Steve Kirk just did a recent sub stack on, I don't know if you saw this, Chris, on in vitro fertilization clinics.
01:54:27.000I definitely have compelling anecdotes, but of other people getting weird.
01:54:30.000I also want to be responsible that, like, what law, you know, and that's the problem with some of the questions you're just asking now, Charlie.
01:54:37.000Like, we're not getting past compelling and large numbers of anecdotes.
01:54:41.000And, you know, one of the things I want to remind ourselves: you know, one anecdote is one anecdote, right?
01:55:41.000So the military says, you know, once is an accident, twice is coincidence, but three times is enemy action.
01:55:47.000Back to your point, you know, once is simple, like, you know, fog of war.
01:55:52.000Twice was incompetence, but every single time we see that the decisions that are made are to suppress the data that we need in order to determine that the vaccines have maybe a safety signal.
01:56:03.000Every single time they've suppressed early treatments, every single time we're at enemy action at this point, that's what we just have to face up to: is that we have a system that is geared through whatever set of incentives to harm you if it makes them money.
01:56:18.000So now I want to complete this conversation in the minutes we have remaining about what could potentially be done to hold some of these people accountable, which I'm going to ask a couple of questions around that.
01:56:28.000And then kind of where we're at, some positives you're seeing, some momentum, and how people can actually take action.
01:56:34.000So I want to end the conversation, hopefully, in an uplifting note, because we've been bountifully cynical today.
01:56:41.000Have crimes against humanity taken place?
01:56:43.000And is the Nuremberg kind of topic of conversation, is that even something we should talk about or is that unrealistic?
01:56:53.000Well, what I said before, and what I've said in our discussion here, Charlie, right, is looking back at the history of the pharmaceutical industry and the tens, if not hundreds of thousands that have died through the criminal actions that they've taken to suppress toxicity data around prior therapeutics.
01:57:11.000I don't know when you draw the line and say it's a crime against humanity or a crime against public health, but if you look at the sheer scale of human lives lost by those same actions that they've done.
01:57:22.000So what Chris just said is if you look at the entire way the system is operated, it's in suppressing evidence of early treatments for generic drugs and at all costs, trying to convince everyone and everything of the safety and efficacy of rather toxic vaccines.
01:57:40.000And so when you look at those two actions and the massive amounts of life lost, disability that we talked about, life insurance claims, what are we up now?
01:57:50.000Last time I checked, it was 800,000 plus American lives lost.
01:58:00.000But I've also been in hospitals for a year and a half.
01:58:02.000I've seen units full of patients on ventilators, all with the same disease.
01:58:06.000I mean, I've seen like horrific impacts.
01:58:08.000I've lost a lot of patients to this disease.
01:58:11.000And they all died from the lack of early treatment, lack of knowledge, lack of access to early treatment.
01:58:20.000We know from the areas around the world that have used early treatment, you don't go to the hospital and die to near the extent that if you didn't.
01:58:28.000And so is that a crime against humanity?
01:58:41.000So if crime's been committed, yeah, absolutely.
01:58:44.000I don't know what threshold they cross to get to the crimes against humanity stage, but the good news in this.
01:58:52.000So Charlie, these have been great questions.
01:58:53.000This is a very refreshing conversation to have.
01:58:55.000And we should have been having these conversations right from the beginning.
01:58:58.000And it's telling that we're having it here.
01:59:00.000And these aren't happening at the center.
01:59:01.000So what I've learned, which is very positive, is that when I figured out what early treatments were working, it was because I was following people like Pierre.
01:59:14.000In fact, I might do the exact opposite of whatever they come up with just out of like habit because that might be a good starting point, right?
01:59:21.000So we've learned in this whole process who were the moral giants and the intellectual giants of our times.
01:59:57.000So I see this movement towards personal responsibility, people getting back to what I consider fundamental truths again, which is what really matters is our freedom matters.
02:01:33.000What I'm interested, though, is that it seems as if, for whatever reason, the right has been more of a place for this kind of conversation than the left.
02:01:51.000The right has been more naturally sort of aligned against government, especially when there's a liberal government in power, right?
02:01:59.000And they want limited government, more freedom, right?
02:02:02.000And so if you're against government and governmental overreach and you're not going to trust the government and you're going to call BS or you're going to push back on anything the government has, if you've done that consistently in this pandemic, you've been correct.
02:02:17.000That is a correct stance almost consistently top to bottom.
02:02:21.000So because of that natural predilection of the right to have that stance and have that position towards the government, they've gotten it correct.
02:02:32.000Yeah, the only thing that confuses me, and we talked about this earlier with the Wonderful Unity Project, the natural inclination of the liberals I grew up with was anti-corporate.
02:03:12.000I do have some questions from our listeners.
02:03:13.000We got thousands of emails from our listeners because they think so highly both of you, which is a specific follow-up from something we talked about.
02:04:14.000So a couple of things I want to say about that.
02:04:16.000So let's just keep ivermectin aside for a second because at our website, we have combination therapy protocols where we actually have a number of agents that have shown efficacy and they're over the counter.
02:04:26.000So for quite a number of things that are in our protocols, you don't need a doctor for.
02:04:31.000For the big guns, like with Omicron, like I'm really liking hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, fluoxetine, you're going to need a doctor for that.
02:04:38.000We have lists of telehealth providers around the country who have shown that they do early treatment and many of them use our protocols.
02:04:47.000And so you can always find someone there.
02:04:49.000At the rate of 750,000 tests, purported positive tests a day.
02:04:56.000I don't think we have enough of those doctors to treat everyone.
02:05:14.000No, I think that states tend to be a little bit more open-minded.
02:05:17.000Well, I'll tell you that that divide has been shown in many other countries.
02:05:21.000So in countries where ivermectin was widely used, there was a very sharp urban rural divide.
02:05:27.000So in Peru, where all the ivory towers are, the city doctors know that the potion of the people that all the masses are using ivermectin, you know, out in the countryside, the ivory towers, like in Lima, there's a really nice study showing Lima, the death rates in Lima far exceeded the regions of Peru where they had mass ivermectin distribution.
02:06:26.000The second part of the question we get a lot of questions about that weren't directed at you, but in general, because I become this funnel as we talk about this stuff, and I'm not equipped to always answer these questions.
02:06:44.000And then let me be provocative and blunt.
02:06:46.000If someone starts to struggle, should they even go to the hospital at all?
02:06:51.000All right, let me ask the first, let me answer the first part.
02:06:53.000So the area where we've had as little success is once someone enters the doors of a hospital, if you're a COVID expert, so if you look at our protocols at flcc.net, we have what's called the Math Plus protocol.
02:07:38.000But again, there's an implicit faith and trust in the agencies and in our nation's exalted and highly successful treatment protocols for COVID.
02:08:58.000So, I mean, right to your question, two years ago, I would have gone to the hospital as a first resort, and now it's my personal last resort.
02:10:04.000So what happened was when I told you before that we came out and we told the world, I testified in the Senate, you have to use corticosteroids in the hospital phase of the disease.
02:10:12.000I got attacked, roundly accused of, you know, whatever, malpractice or misinformation until a large randomized control trial came out proving that it was life-saving and it became the standard of care worldwide.
02:10:35.000But we now have eight to ten trials since.
02:10:38.000Each and every case, when you use the different corticosteroid methopredonisolone, better concentration in lungs, and at higher doses, every time you use a higher dose, you see the mortality rates drop and drop.
02:10:49.000Yet they're still stuck on six of dex across the country.
02:10:55.000And if I could add one last thing, I hope this isn't a self-promotion, but these things that we talk about, especially on the steroids, I've been writing a sub stack and I'm going into really, you can subscribe for free, but I go into real depth about how these things are happening.
02:11:09.000And particularly, I wrote two very deeply researched posts on this corticosteroid issue.
02:11:16.000But to your other question, should you go to the hospital?
02:11:38.000We know this is a steroid responsive disease and there's a dose dependency to it and you need to use higher doses.
02:11:44.000And I'll tell you my personal opinion, and I can understand exactly why you have to say that, which is I would not advise for anyone in my circle to go to a hospital.
02:11:54.000I wouldn't trust it at all whatsoever.
02:11:56.000I bought an oxygen machine, a good one, not a ventilator, but an oxygen machine that could give supplemental oxygen.
02:12:02.000And I've seen too many stories of people I know personally that are doing okay.
02:12:06.000They go to the hospital and who knows what happens next and they die.
02:12:10.000And I know for certain that they're not getting any of this treatment.
02:12:15.000In fact, they're getting the dexamethasone and they're getting remdesivir.
02:12:19.000And we have 55 emails of people that believe remdesivir killed their loved one.
02:14:40.000What we now know, based on the parsing of the data, you also want to make sure you have appropriate levels of serum, zinc, and selenium.
02:14:46.000These are just basic over-the-counter things that we now know work really, really well.
02:14:50.000I think if we'd done that, that's called prepare the terrain.
02:14:52.000Even if I'm going to say I'm going to depend on a vaccine, what I want when I give the vaccine is I want your immune system to really robustly rise to the challenge.
02:15:15.000And the fact that, you know, they're like, oh, well, you know, Trump was this racist, but so is Biden, because neither of them actually, through their health agencies, went forward and said this is a really important issue.
02:15:25.000We could have had a Marshall Plan around vitamin D levels and early treatments.
02:15:30.000Well, this is what frustrates every mailbox.
02:15:32.000I could go on about this, but we are the richest country ever.
02:15:36.000We have more technology, more information than ever.
02:15:40.000And the way we handled this will objectively be looked at from people 200 years from now.
02:15:45.000And there will be entire classes, courses, and PhDs written on how a wealthy country allowed millions of people to die with all the drugs we have at our disposal, right?
02:16:30.000I like your Marshall Plan because now you're reminding me when you ask the question.
02:16:33.000This is my real answer because I've been saying this for months.
02:16:35.000Like, my dream would be that every household in America in their cupboard would have hydroxychloroquine and/or ivermectin in the cupboard, ready to deploy, like you would have an Advil or a Tylenol or an aspirin, right?
02:16:50.000In the cupboard for when the family falls ill.
02:16:52.000Anyone in the family, immediately upon first symptoms, they'd have access to it.
02:16:55.000You don't have to run around with pharmacists or anything.
02:16:58.000Everybody would have a home treatment.
02:18:32.000So FLCCC.net for lots of information on our protocols.
02:18:37.000You can, you know, early, late treatment.
02:18:39.000I should also mention that we are just updating.
02:18:42.000We have a long-haul treatment protocol, which is really helping a lot of people.
02:18:47.000And we also use it for the vaccine injured.
02:18:49.000So it's actually showing efficacy in vaccine syndrome.
02:18:52.000So please visit our protocols and providers.
02:18:54.000The other thing, if you want to learn more about the topics that I'm talking about, a lot of disinformation tactics that I've observed and become unfortunately expert in, my substack is Pierre Corey.
02:20:09.000As you can tell, one of my hypotheses is that the early treatments was the lack thereof or the lack of willingness is the mailing ballots to all these different things.
02:20:19.000And don't forget, September 2019, we were having this massive repo crisis, and the Fed was looking for a reason to flood the system with money.
02:20:36.000They could do these things, empower our listeners a little bit.
02:20:39.000The citizens that want their medical freedom, what can they do?
02:20:47.000I mean, I think if they know a pharmacist, they know a physician, I think the doctors need to speak up for them and with them.
02:20:53.000I think doctors, they need to start being able to push back at the systems which have oppressed them.
02:21:00.000So I'm speaking very physician-centric.
02:21:02.000And also, I just have to tell you, I don't have a great answer for exactly how to affect that change in an immediate way.
02:21:09.000I'm going to fall back and say, I think it's like any grassroots movement in history.
02:21:14.000The voices, the people who are kind of like, I don't want to say waking up, but they become more aware of how spectacular the systems have failed, how it's completely broken.
02:21:23.000I think those numbers are going to increase.
02:21:26.000And at some point, if you get enough numbers and you get enough people supporting us, whether it's at a march or just speaking to family members, speaking to physicians, so let your physicians hear what you think.
02:21:38.000You know, I don't want to put that trite thing about write your congressman and all that.
02:21:42.000I don't really think that works, but I don't know.
02:21:44.000I just think that, you know, we became somewhat great.
02:21:49.000We're a group of physicians and researchers and clinicians.
02:21:51.000And I don't know, we got thrust into this kind of like a grassroots public advocacy role.
02:21:57.000And the amount of support and the ground soils for what we've seen and the amount that people have been appreciative, not only in this country and around the world, I just want to say I want to keep doing what we're doing.
02:22:07.000And if others could do similar to what we're doing, I think we'll get to a good place.
02:23:00.000This means I think we get, we wake up and I think we get back to what really matters and people start discovering again what really matters.
02:23:07.000Because what's tragic, these things, I love this thing.
02:23:10.000Our kids today are the most isolated, lonely, unhappy ever.