The Charlie Kirk Show - My Conversation with Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Chris Martenson

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00:00:53.000 We are here with two special guests, Dr. Martinson and Dr. Corey.

00:00:57.000 Thank you guys for joining our show.

00:00:59.000 Thanks for having us.

00:00:59.000 Great.

00:01:00.000 Good to be here.

00:01:00.000 So let's just kind of have you guys introduce yourselves.

00:01:03.000 Dr. Corey, you first.

00:01:05.000 Yeah.

00:01:05.000 Okay.

00:01:06.000 So I'm a lung and ICU specialist.

00:01:10.000 Spent my whole career in academia teaching.

00:01:13.000 So I was known as an educator.

00:01:15.000 I used to run a training program for doctors in my specialty to do ICU and lung medicine.

00:01:23.000 And in COVID, you know, I like to say that I was a pulmonary and critical care physician at a time when the world got hit with the pulmonary and critical care pandemic.

00:01:33.000 Right.

00:01:33.000 So, and I think I showed up.

00:01:35.000 You know, I showed up.

00:01:37.000 Me and my colleagues that we now formed a group called the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance.

00:01:43.000 And these are some of my close colleagues.

00:01:45.000 We came together and all we've tried to do is figure out how best to treat this disease.

00:01:50.000 So we put together protocols.

00:01:52.000 We've researched the ends of the earth about anything that works.

00:01:56.000 And we put together really effective protocols.

00:01:58.000 And what we've been trying to do is try to give folks agency and give providers, physicians, and people, you know, knowledge on how to treat this.

00:02:08.000 And I'm really proud of that work.

00:02:10.000 You know, our organization and the protocols have really made it around the world.

00:02:14.000 And it's made a big difference.

00:02:16.000 And, you know, I'm really excited to be a part of it.

00:02:18.000 So I'm glad to be here to talk about it today.

00:02:20.000 It's saved millions of lives and it's protected liberty.

00:02:23.000 The suppression of early treatments, I believe, has been directly correlated to civilizational changes.

00:02:28.000 If you have early treatments, then a lot of these other things that we've seen wouldn't have happened.

00:02:34.000 And as bad as America feels, it's actually, there's a lot of countries in the Western world that are far behind us.

00:02:39.000 We'll get into that.

00:02:39.000 Dr. Martinson.

00:02:41.000 Well, hey, thanks for having me here.

00:02:42.000 It's good to be here.

00:02:43.000 And I think I'm here because of the COVID coverage I did.

00:02:46.000 And that started, I guess, PhD in pathology from Duke University.

00:02:51.000 That means two years of medical school.

00:02:53.000 And then they put on the white coats.

00:02:55.000 And I went off and did surgical pathology, histology, stuff like that, autopsies, things like that.

00:02:59.000 So diseases, disease states, pretty far back in my background.

00:03:04.000 Was a research scientist for a while.

00:03:06.000 Also went and got an MBA and was in corporate finance for a while.

00:03:09.000 So that's my background.

00:03:11.000 Last 10 years, I've just been out talking to the world about what's going on in the world.

00:03:15.000 And when COVID came along, that was my calling, I guess.

00:03:17.000 And I put out a series of videos daily for six months, just every single day.

00:03:21.000 And then two videos a week after that, big meaty ones, like 40 minutes of like science, you know.

00:03:27.000 And that's how I met this guy because I think you ran across one of my videos.

00:03:32.000 You're like, who's this guy?

00:03:34.000 Yeah, we could talk about that.

00:03:36.000 I think it's a cool little story.

00:03:38.000 So, you know, I'm sometimes associated overly so, but it's okay with Ivermectin because that is a centerpiece of a lot of our protocols.

00:03:48.000 But, you know, our group, we put together protocols starting in March of 2020.

00:03:52.000 Our group was the first one in the world to really make a loud call for corticosteroids to be used in the hospital phase.

00:04:02.000 And we did that at a time when all national and international health agencies were absolutely against it.

00:04:07.000 In fact, every single national and international health agency said, do not use corticosteroids in this disease.

00:04:14.000 And we were shouting to do it.

00:04:15.000 I don't know if you know this, Charlie, but I testified in the Senate back in May of 2020 about corticosteroids, not on ivermectin.

00:04:22.000 Ivermectin came much later.

00:04:24.000 So in the course of that, when we discovered that corticosteroids were critical, then we started adding other elements.

00:04:30.000 And then right around October, November of 2020, Paul Marrick, who's one of the founders of the group, you know, we were reviewing all of these trials on a lot of different substances that were being tested, and everything was coming back negative.

00:04:44.000 Like tosalizumab was failing and convalescent plasma and a whole bunch of other compounds.

00:04:49.000 And all of a sudden, ivermectin was showing a signal that was so consistent, reproducible from different pockets of the globe, different little centers, big centers.

00:04:58.000 And, you know, Paul started to talk about it.

00:05:01.000 And then I started to write this big review paper, which we'll talk about what happened to that later.

00:05:05.000 But at that time, we heard of this guy, Chris Martins, and people were like sharing videos.

00:05:11.000 And there's this guy like saying the same thing we are.

00:05:14.000 I was like, who is this guy?

00:05:16.000 And I thought he was Ned Flanders at first.

00:05:20.000 He just presented so well and innocently.

00:05:22.000 And I was just like, this guy nobody knows what he's talking about.

00:05:25.000 And right since that time, I think we reached out and very quickly we got together.

00:05:29.000 And, you know, we've been sharing a lot of information ever since.

00:05:32.000 So he's a great resource.

00:05:34.000 What were your videos on?

00:05:35.000 So it was January 23rd.

00:05:37.000 The 22nd, I started to get really nervous because I'd been tracking for about a week this virus that was going on in China.

00:05:42.000 And then 2020, right?

00:05:45.000 And then it was that night of, I think, January 22nd, Wuhan got ringed off.

00:05:50.000 And I know that China does not willingly shut down a manufacturing center like Wuhan.

00:05:54.000 So I said, oh, this is much more serious than I thought.

00:05:56.000 So I put out an alert and I said, hey, we've got this huge problem going on.

00:06:00.000 Within five days, I called it a pandemic using the WHO's own guidelines.

00:06:05.000 And a few days after that, my wiki page got taken down because I was apparently saying stuff I wasn't supposed to.

00:06:13.000 But I was just literally following the pandemic guidelines that the WHO had sent out.

00:06:17.000 And I was said it was a pandemic.

00:06:18.000 So I alerted the people who follow me, stock up on toilet paper.

00:06:22.000 I said, get masks, get hand sanitizer, and do things like that because I could see what was coming.

00:06:27.000 It was very obvious.

00:06:29.000 And obviously they tried to smear you for being early.

00:06:32.000 Yes, yes, I was way early on that.

00:06:35.000 It's been a very interesting phenomenon.

00:06:37.000 The people that were early and the people that have been early on every one of these things always get smeared.

00:06:42.000 It's a very interesting thing, especially the people that were hawkish on the virus early on.

00:06:48.000 It was the latecomers that were hawkish that somehow get to be treated really well.

00:06:53.000 So there's a lot of different things I want to talk about with you guys.

00:06:56.000 And I have so much respect for both of you.

00:06:59.000 Let me just start with this.

00:07:00.000 You're both doctors.

00:07:01.000 You worked for Pfizer.

00:07:02.000 I'd love to ask you about that later.

00:07:05.000 What's your general take on the medical field's embrace of just kind of unquestioned dogma?

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:13.000 So it's, I started to see some of this.

00:07:18.000 I saw some of these dynamics happening before COVID, but what's happened in COVID is unprecedented.

00:07:25.000 What the kind of whole medical system has done, the way it's reacted, has been not only a terrible failure, but the system that it created explains that, right?

00:07:38.000 The system that you, how it's designed, is the results you get.

00:07:41.000 And so, this top-down totalitarian approach, where they literally restrict not only the ability, the autonomy of physicians to try new medicines, to use different medicines that have maybe different levels of evidence base, to even openly discuss some of the things they're using.

00:07:59.000 The incentive payments coming out of the government to only use certain medications.

00:08:03.000 And the whole thing is just the way it coalesced into this really very totalitarian state.

00:08:08.000 What are these incentive payments?

00:08:09.000 What do you mean?

00:08:12.000 So, if you look at the NIH treatment guidelines, which is generally what every hospital in the country follows, comes out of the NIH, and they put down what they think should be used.

00:08:21.000 And so, there are drugs like remdesivir, right, is on there.

00:08:25.000 And then, a lot of what I call the IBS and abs, so baracitinib and tosilizumab and sotruvumab and casavirumab.

00:08:33.000 I can't even keep up with all the abs, Chris.

00:08:36.000 But all of them are actually high-cost, large-dollar items, and that largely represents our entire therapeutic approach, with the exception of dexamethasone at a small dose.

00:08:49.000 And there are written lintel legislation that every hospital, when they use those medicines, like remdesivir, they get 20% add-on payment to their bill.

00:09:01.000 I mean, there's a massive financial incentive built into the system to ensure these medicines are being used.

00:09:08.000 And how absurd and terrifying that fact becomes is because remdesivir is the centerpiece of their hospital treatment.

00:09:16.000 If anyone has an objective look at the data on remdesivir, it does not work.

00:09:21.000 Even the WHO does not recommend it.

00:09:24.000 They've repeatedly not recommended even recently.

00:09:28.000 Yet in this country, it's the standard of care.

00:09:29.000 It's $3,000 a dose.

00:09:31.000 Hurts kidneys, too, right?

00:09:32.000 Deliver kidneys, something right? 0.97

00:09:32.000 It does. 0.97

00:09:34.000 Absolutely.

00:09:35.000 So, if you look at the trials that were not run by pharmaceutical companies, the ones that were done by kind of independent research institutions, all of those show either no effect or a trend to harm.

00:09:47.000 There's a signal that you will do worse if you get remdesivir.

00:09:51.000 The pharmaceutical company trials look like it's a good drug, and they did some shenanigans with those trials.

00:09:56.000 And so, I believe you have actually a drug that has corrupt evidence behind it, and it's made it the standard of care.

00:10:03.000 And we actually pay hospitals extra to use it.

00:10:05.000 Dr. Martinson, one of the great frustrations for me, kind of just a regular citizen looking at this, caring a lot about, obviously, politics and the philosophical underpinnings, has been that I was naive enough to believe that in a scientific community, that would be the one place where objective measurement and data would prevail over dogma.

00:10:27.000 I was wrong.

00:10:28.000 In fact, it was the exact opposite.

00:10:30.000 Now that I look at the last two years, there are political arguments I get into where both sides are completely dogmatic, where I can find more reasonable middle ground than between two doctors that might disagree.

00:10:42.000 How do I make sense of that?

00:10:44.000 I don't know.

00:10:45.000 I'm going to quote the great comedian Lily Tomlin and say, you know, as cynical as I am, I can't quite keep up.

00:10:50.000 I was pretty cynical coming into this, and then I saw what happened, and I couldn't believe what was happening.

00:10:55.000 I was watching people who are very intelligent, very well-trained, say things that are complete nonsense.

00:11:00.000 So, I love science, and I love the scientific method.

00:11:04.000 And when the data changes, I change my mind, and those are the people I value and respect.

00:11:07.000 They share that quality.

00:11:09.000 I watch people double down and triple down on losing positions that are indefensible, that are costing lives, and all of a sudden I couldn't make sense of it anymore because it's not in logical territory anymore.

00:11:19.000 We have to go into some weird psychological territory to understand.

00:11:22.000 Just from a temperament, maybe you don't have an answer, neither of you have an answer to this.

00:11:25.000 I would think that scientists or doctors would be the least committed to kind of just some abstract phrase or soundbite or talking point.

00:11:39.000 I guess that's been an eye-opener for you as someone who's dedicated your life to science.

00:11:44.000 Has it been a learning lesson in some sense of just the state of Western science or world science?

00:11:49.000 Either way.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 I mean, I just want to re-emphasize what Chris.

00:11:53.000 So I always struggled in medicine in my career.

00:11:57.000 I saw these implicit biases that could not be overcome with data.

00:12:01.000 So that's not a new thing.

00:12:04.000 So for instance, I was well known in my specialty for a few areas of expertise prior to COVID.

00:12:11.000 So I'm one of the world pioneers in a field called point of care ultrasound, where we literally use ultrasound probes instead of the old stethoscope.

00:12:19.000 So I wrote a textbook.

00:12:20.000 It's seven languages, second edition.

00:12:22.000 So I'm pretty well known for that field, as well as research in and around the use of high doses of intravenous ascorbic acid, which is vitamin C. You're speaking my.

00:12:31.000 By the way, don't go into a health system talking about how a vitamin works.

00:12:36.000 You know, like you try to convince people that there's actually an intravenous vitamin works.

00:12:41.000 Believe me, you're going to run into implicit data.

00:12:43.000 How high dose we diet?

00:12:44.000 75,000, 100,000.

00:12:46.000 So the way we were using it, we probably use it.

00:12:46.000 No, no.

00:12:50.000 What we know now, we probably should be using higher doses, but it's in particular in one model, which is septic shock, which is an area I'm an expert at.

00:12:58.000 So I'm an ICU doctor.

00:13:00.000 Septic shock is really when the infection completely ravages the body.

00:13:04.000 You can't even hold on to your blood pressure anymore.

00:13:07.000 The vessels are leaky and you can develop organ failures and it has a high mortality rate.

00:13:12.000 We found that if you give intravenous ascorbic acid early, it's really time sensitive.

00:13:18.000 So you have to give it within the first six hours of hitting the emergency room doors.

00:13:22.000 Those patients who get high doses were 1.5 grams every six hours.

00:13:27.000 So six grams a day.

00:13:28.000 Now, there are Naturopass and others who use 25 grams for a viral syndrome.

00:13:33.000 So we're not using.

00:13:35.000 Yeah, I was going to say, you're one of those celebrities commonly get, you know, maybe you're one of them, Charlie.

00:13:40.000 So I do NAD.

00:13:41.000 I do all that stuff.

00:13:42.000 Okay, all right, good, good.

00:13:43.000 Whatever the FDA doesn't approve.

00:13:45.000 So I like it that he's, you know, I'm an ICU doctor and he's like, yeah, you and your 1.5 grams every six hours.

00:13:51.000 You know, we were just starting out and that was, that was a dose that was kind of arbitrarily chosen.

00:13:56.000 And we found that it works, but it's very time sensitive.

00:13:59.000 One of the really interesting areas that we're interested in exploring is, is it that if you give it later, you just have to give higher doses?

00:14:07.000 And so we don't have good trials for that.

00:14:09.000 But I'll tell you, going back to the bias question, I could not convince my partner.

00:14:16.000 So I also, part of my bona fides, right, is I used to be the chief of the critical care service at the University of Wisconsin, as well as the director of what's called their Trauma and Life Support Center, which is their main medical surgical ICU.

00:14:27.000 So I had a position of clinical leadership.

00:14:30.000 I had about 17 what are called intensivists under me or with me.

00:14:34.000 And when I came out with my research and my practice on IV vitamin C, I would say about four of them sort of were like interesting, started using it, put it into their practice.

00:14:46.000 And I was roundly attacked by the rest.

00:14:49.000 And no matter how much data came out, they fought me on it.

00:14:53.000 And then, and you're going to find the same thing in COVID, is what happened was a whole slew of trials were done on IV ascorbic acid, and they all failed to show benefit.

00:15:04.000 All failed to show benefit.

00:15:07.000 And that's one of the real big problems in science is each and every one of those trials gave the therapy so far into septic shock that they weren't showing the mortality benefits that we knew from the early, from when you give it early.

00:15:20.000 And so, but they don't sweat the small stuff.

00:15:23.000 They see trial after trial and big journal after big journal.

00:15:26.000 And then they call like Corey and Marek.

00:15:28.000 So I have to talk about Paul Marrick because he's really the pioneer in this in this therapy.

00:15:33.000 We were all discredited and sort of attacked and dismissed for this.

00:15:37.000 Well, that's super interesting for me because what you're saying is that there was a pattern or there was a harbinger of immediate dismissal of differing opinion well before COVID in the scientific community.

00:15:50.000 And by the way, that's not that unusual of an example, or it's actually pretty applicable to COVID because vitamin D booster shots, if given to the whole population, very well might have helped people if the level was over 50.

00:16:06.000 I haven't seen any public health awarenesses or kind of around that.

00:16:09.000 So I want to get into kind of a specific question that Dr. Martinson, I think you might be able to speculate and help us explore together.

00:16:18.000 Is Omicron the real vaccine that we've been waiting for?

00:16:21.000 I would say yes.

00:16:23.000 It's such an interesting, interesting thing.

00:16:25.000 So if you had given me a sheet of paper and said, write down everything you want, I would have written down exactly what Omicron is, maybe with even slightly milder effects, but it's mild, hyper-transmissive, has all the great features of the prior versions, right?

00:16:39.000 It's got alpha, beta, gamma, delta.

00:16:39.000 Variants.

00:16:41.000 It's got the D614G mutation, the 501y.

00:16:44.000 It's got all of them.

00:16:45.000 It's got all the greatest hits, right?

00:16:47.000 Which means that when you have it and you get antibodies against it, you have antibodies against all those prior variants.

00:16:53.000 And it's shown to have sterilizing immunity against Delta, at least.

00:16:57.000 And it looks like early data, all the prior ones as well.

00:16:59.000 So you catch it.

00:17:00.000 Now, here's the best part.

00:17:02.000 When you get a vaccine or this new treatment we have, it goes into your deltoid muscle, right?

00:17:06.000 They squirt that in there. 1.00

00:17:07.000 And then your body has to rally around an antigen that's in a muscle.

00:17:10.000 That's not the normal way your body gets exposed to things.

00:17:13.000 Nature said you get exposed through your pharyngeal area or your gut.

00:17:18.000 And so if you do get that vaccine, you know, we have an oral polio vaccine, right?

00:17:22.000 There's other ones that do squirt up the nose. 1.00

00:17:24.000 It's a great place because your body knows what to do when it sees it up there, right?

00:17:28.000 And it mounts a very vigorous, full-spectrum immunological response.

00:17:32.000 So not only is this Omicron awesome in that way, but it only really preferentially inhabits your nasopharyngeal.

00:17:38.000 It doesn't go to the lungs and it replicates like crazy up here and it spreads like wildfire.

00:17:44.000 So honestly, if you had told me somebody created this as a white hat operation to create an aerial airborne vaccine, I would give them the Nobel Prize. 0.98

00:17:53.000 Yeah.

00:17:53.000 So I want to make sure I understood that correctly.

00:17:56.000 So you're saying it's possible that a group of scientists maybe made this as an antidote or a mass, very mild inoculation strategy?

00:18:10.000 Can I get wonky for just one second?

00:18:12.000 So there's two big parts of the virus.

00:18:14.000 There's the envelope and all the envelope proteins, and then the spike protein everybody's heard about.

00:18:18.000 The spike protein, when you look at its genetic makeup, it actually, its nearest progenitor, you have to chase all the way back to about April 2020.

00:18:29.000 It hasn't gone through any of the changes.

00:18:30.000 There's two types of changes that the code can go through.

00:18:32.000 One's called the synonymous change where you flip something, but it doesn't change the structure at all of the amino acids.

00:18:38.000 Another one is non-synonymous and you get these mutations.

00:18:40.000 So you can look at that mutation structure, just like if you went to 23andMe and said, do I have any cousins in town, right?

00:18:46.000 And you might be able to figure that out through the genetic structure.

00:18:48.000 So when we look at Omicron, its spike protein comes to us from April 2020.

00:18:53.000 And that's as rare as if we did 23andMe on your staff and we found out one of the boys out there was the son of George Washington directly.

00:19:00.000 It's bizarre.

00:19:01.000 Like you'd have some questions.

00:19:02.000 It did not come from Delta.

00:19:04.000 It came from far earlier on the family tree, the genealogy, so to speak, of these viruses.

00:19:08.000 It literally came off of a branch of a virus from 2020, which is a long time ago.

00:19:14.000 And how could it be residing somewhere and then just appear now and just rip through populations?

00:19:21.000 Unclear.

00:19:22.000 I like his theory.

00:19:23.000 The white hat lab leak theory, I think, is a really interesting thing.

00:19:26.000 It could have been some well-meaning scientists that have been developing this for quite some time.

00:19:31.000 Is that possible?

00:19:32.000 It's possible.

00:19:32.000 So let's go back to the movie Contagion, right?

00:19:35.000 In that movie, what are they looking for?

00:19:37.000 Patient zero.

00:19:38.000 You want patient zero.

00:19:39.000 You know why you want patient zero?

00:19:40.000 Because that tells you where it came from.

00:19:41.000 So if we had patient zero, you know, hey, they lived with a lot of mice, or we can trace it back to that original mutation.

00:19:48.000 So that's the awesome thing you want to find.

00:19:50.000 All we know is that patient zero was four diplomats from an unknown country that went to Botswana and that's it.

00:19:56.000 And the trail goes cold.

00:19:57.000 Nobody's interested.

00:19:57.000 Nobody's asking.

00:19:59.000 That's a tell at the poker table all unsewn because we should be fascinated with who's patient zero for Omicron?

00:20:05.000 Where did this come from?

00:20:07.000 Well, four diplomats from a country is all we know.

00:20:09.000 And so the fact that we're not interested, I think, is fascinating.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, that's anomalous behavior in action number 732 in this pandemic.

00:20:19.000 Is that what that is?

00:20:20.000 Yep.

00:20:20.000 It's going to memory hole soon enough.

00:20:20.000 Yeah, Chris.

00:20:22.000 Yeah, we're talking about it.

00:20:23.000 We're already dealing with small odds.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, and then we're only further kind of making it more impossible.

00:20:29.000 Well, that's fascinating.

00:20:30.000 And so what you've seen at Omicron is that this might be the end of the variants.

00:20:35.000 This could be the end of the tree.

00:20:36.000 This could be it.

00:20:38.000 It could be.

00:20:39.000 So what we see is that usually within three to four weeks of Omicron coming into a region, it muscles out all the other variants.

00:20:45.000 Like they're all gone.

00:20:45.000 Delta gets muscled out.

00:20:47.000 Delta muscled out all the earlier ones.

00:20:49.000 So it's just it takes care of them.

00:20:51.000 The only thing that would be weird is if we got another variant on top of this.

00:20:55.000 So it's always possible that Omicron itself could mutate into something not pleasant.

00:21:00.000 And on that front, I'm very worried about, you know, we have this Merck drug, Molnupirivir, that they want to put in there.

00:21:06.000 It's got a weird mechanism of action.

00:21:08.000 And its job specifically is to create mutations in viruses.

00:21:12.000 If you give it at a high enough dose, it creates enough mutations, none of the virus survives.

00:21:16.000 If the dose is wrong or it's tailing off in the serum and somebody's still replicating, it's just creating more mutants.

00:21:23.000 It's its job, actually.

00:21:25.000 So the treatment that Merck Pfizer is a partnership is just no, no, they're different.

00:21:31.000 But they each have a drug, though, that are coming out.

00:21:31.000 They're separate.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, totally separate mechanism of action.

00:21:35.000 They're both orally given.

00:21:36.000 Yeah, they're both going to be oral.

00:21:38.000 He was referring to the Merck one, which is called Molnu Piravir.

00:21:41.000 That it's actually, it's designed to create mutations.

00:21:48.000 Mutations.

00:21:49.000 Hopefully a lethal number of mutagenic.

00:21:51.000 It's a mutagenic drug.

00:21:52.000 Well, that could be catastrophic.

00:21:56.000 I think we should have had a little more humility on this.

00:21:58.000 We have decades of experience of a safety record with that drug.

00:22:01.000 And so I'm sure it's pretty safe if we launch it into a pandemic right now, right?

00:22:06.000 Actually, classic.

00:22:08.000 Does sarcasm work here, Charlie?

00:22:10.000 We're experts in it.

00:22:11.000 I was about to say, so, based on what you're telling me, Fauci in two years will take credit for the Omicron variant, that he was actually funding it in a lab in Cape Town.

00:22:21.000 And he should be thanked for that.

00:22:21.000 Yep.

00:22:24.000 Is that what I'm hearing you correctly?

00:22:26.000 Anything's possible.

00:22:27.000 So it's possible.

00:22:28.000 So, I mean, if we want to speculate, here's the speculation I have: I am 99.99% sure that the original SARS-2 came out of a lab, right?

00:22:38.000 There's a lot of genetic information for that.

00:22:40.000 It's probable that they were doing all sorts of research in that lab at the same time, not just creating the accidental SARS-2 if that was an accidental release, but they were probably working on a lot of other things, including this thing, right?

00:22:51.000 Probably.

00:22:51.000 They probably were working on, because we know the white hat story they have of self is that they were working on vaccines and they were actually looking to create airborne vaccines for bats that they wanted to create so they could pre-inoculate bat populations so that things wouldn't come out of the bat population into humans.

00:23:07.000 That's the story.

00:23:08.000 So we, good chance they were working on vaccine technology there and this would sort of fall under that possibly.

00:23:15.000 I find it to be the most incredibly compelling basis for an action novel that a group of scientists could potentially be working amidst a pandemic to release a variant that could actually solve the pandemic.

00:23:32.000 How deadly is Omicron?

00:23:33.000 Legitimately, outside of what the media says.

00:23:37.000 So the published data and the let's leave U.S. to the side because U.S. is really in trouble with information.

00:23:46.000 I want to get to that.

00:23:47.000 We're information warfare.

00:23:49.000 It's very hard to trust what's really happening.

00:23:52.000 I have some ground level data that I just got out of some colleagues in one major medical center.

00:23:57.000 And so that kind of has been making me think.

00:23:59.000 But if you look at South Africa, it was not deadly.

00:24:03.000 While it ripped through that population, the hospitals were emptying.

00:24:07.000 I don't even know if there's, there was, I think, maybe a couple of attributed deaths to Omicron, but it's not even clear if it's directly from or like what we say is COVID on the side.

00:24:15.000 You know, they had some other problem and they tested positive.

00:24:19.000 There's a study from Denmark also showing the same thing.

00:24:21.000 Generally mild.

00:24:22.000 People don't go to the hospital.

00:24:23.000 People don't die.

00:24:24.000 Now, come to the U.S. 0.88

00:24:27.000 We are in the midst of just a wildfire of Omicron here, right?

00:24:31.000 I think yesterday it was three quarters of a million positive tests, which is probably much less than the amount of infections that were diagnosed on that day, right?

00:24:39.000 Not everyone's getting tested at this point.

00:24:41.000 I mean, what's the point, right?

00:24:42.000 If your brother, sister, mother have COVID, you know, why do you need to get a test?

00:24:46.000 So, you know, with all of these infections, you know, hospitalizations and purportedly deaths are on the rise.

00:24:53.000 So I don't think in this country it's necessarily mild for everyone.

00:24:58.000 I think it's mild for most, but what I'm seeing with Omicron here is there's a spectrum.

00:25:03.000 I'm hearing lots, I'm hearing reports of large clusters of either young or mildly symptomatic or even asymptomatic infections, right?

00:25:12.000 They don't reach out to me.

00:25:13.000 I'm really busy right now treating Omicron, but I'm not hearing from those kind of folks.

00:25:17.000 Then there's people who reach out to me.

00:25:20.000 None of them are getting severely ill or going to the hospital, but they have what I call significant symptoms.

00:25:25.000 So they can get really painful sore throats, sometimes high fevers, lots of fatigue, you know, what we call myalges, you know, muscle aches and whatnot, lots of congestion.

00:25:35.000 Not a lot of loss of taste and smell with Omicron.

00:25:37.000 I'm not really hearing that.

00:25:40.000 And they can recover, especially with early treatment.

00:25:42.000 Our early treatments are working really well.

00:25:44.000 I tend to use right now.

00:25:46.000 So Chris and I were talking earlier.

00:25:49.000 The Delta that came around in November, December, that was the wickedest COVID I've had to treat so far. 0.99

00:25:57.000 So as an outpatient, our protocols, we have first line, second line, and third line medications, and they're all in combination.

00:26:04.000 First line is ivermectin.

00:26:06.000 We also use an antidepressant as well as hydroxychloroquine.

00:26:09.000 Prozac.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, Prozac, exactly.

00:26:10.000 Fluoxetine is the one I prefer.

00:26:13.000 And that's what I would call first line.

00:26:15.000 And in November, December, Delta, that last wave of Delta, it was becoming harder and harder to treat.

00:26:21.000 Not one medicine was working.

00:26:22.000 I had to use two, three, and sometimes four, five, and six medicines.

00:26:26.000 I had some patients on six to seven medicines, including corticosteroid as an outpatient.

00:26:31.000 Prednisone or pretenizone, yeah, or methylpredinisolone, very similar, which I was starting to use A5 or six to prevent that lung phase.

00:26:39.000 So the reason why I bring that up is I was throwing the kitchen sink at that last wave of Delta. 1.00

00:26:45.000 My patients are all grateful.

00:26:46.000 They all made it through.

00:26:48.000 But it was becoming, yeah, they all made it through.

00:26:49.000 It's been usually a few dozen, I would say, that I got through that wave.

00:26:55.000 I'm doing like hundreds of other things.

00:26:57.000 So the only people I treat are like friends, family, friends of friends of family.

00:27:02.000 And it's really people who are like have some degree of closeness or separation to me.

00:27:07.000 So now in Omicron, I'm finding that I'm generally able to get by with first line only.

00:27:14.000 So hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and fluoxetine.

00:27:17.000 I kind of start all everybody on all three because I wasn't sure if I'm not seeing old Delta.

00:27:24.000 And also, I am now confused as to are we seeing Omicron deaths here?

00:27:30.000 It's not clear to me because it could be old deltas that are dying.

00:27:35.000 But I will tell you, so I'll tell you a related anecdote of today.

00:27:39.000 Talked to a colleague of mine at a major medical center, and I said, What's it really like there?

00:27:44.000 Are the ICUs full of COVIDs?

00:27:47.000 And they actually were at this institution.

00:27:49.000 There were multiple ICUs, enough patients filling up those ICU beds with COVID that they had to cancel elective surgeries.

00:27:57.000 If you want to know anything about the business of medicine, elective surgeries is where all the profit centers are, right?

00:28:04.000 And so for them to cancel elective surgeries at a major academic medical institution, that's a significant burden on the hospital.

00:28:14.000 So if you know that, and then as Chris and I were talking, almost everything's Omicron now.

00:28:20.000 I think some Americans are actually getting hit pretty hard with Omicron.

00:28:24.000 I mean, we are, you know, if you look at South Africa, right, that occurred in their summer.

00:28:28.000 They have more sunlight there, hopefully more vitamin D.

00:28:31.000 They had more natural immunity.

00:28:34.000 As a health status, I don't think they suffer from the obesity that the United States does.

00:28:39.000 So I think, you know, you're seeing here we're in a low vitamin D season right now.

00:28:43.000 You know, we have a lot more obesity, more comorbidities.

00:28:45.000 And so I don't think Omicron is mild for everyone.

00:28:49.000 Luckily, it's mild for enough, where I think it can serve as this vaccine, you know, a natural vaccine, but it's still tricky.

00:28:56.000 Well, it was Rochelle Walinski, even today, I think, said it's 91% less deadly.

00:29:01.000 Right?

00:29:01.000 Yes.

00:29:02.000 I don't know how much.

00:29:02.000 But the numbers are so high.

00:29:04.000 Because the numbers are so high.

00:29:05.000 Yeah, numbers are.

00:29:06.000 It's still going to stress and you're still going to see deaths.

00:29:08.000 But yes, could you imagine if Omicron was deadly as Delta?

00:29:12.000 I don't think that would be a movie.

00:29:13.000 That would be the horror movie.

00:29:15.000 I like your action movie idea of the white lab, you know, the white lab. 0.75

00:29:18.000 I already got the treatment being worked on.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, but there you go.

00:29:22.000 That's why Andrew keeps running back and forth.

00:29:25.000 But also, 91%, we're not even factoring in early treatment intervention.

00:29:31.000 That's why all of this is so correct.

00:29:33.000 Please, you know, I have to tell you, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about vaccines, but one of my standard statements is we have to stop talking about unvaccinated and vaccinated.

00:29:44.000 It's called untreated and treated.

00:29:46.000 That's exactly what we need to think about.

00:29:49.000 And the vaccinated need treatment, the unvaccinated need treatment. 1.00

00:29:52.000 And actually, what's really scary is that there's data showing that the vaccinated are actually faring worse here.

00:29:57.000 They're getting it more frequently, that's for sure.

00:29:59.000 Well, what is that data?

00:30:01.000 So there's data.

00:30:02.000 Well, so for the, I don't have really good citable data for the vaccinated are getting it worse, but I will tell you, they're definitely getting it more.

00:30:11.000 The getting it worse is more clinical experience and exchanging with a large network of early treatment physicians who their general gut sense.

00:30:20.000 And when a clinician has a gut-spidey sense, that's how we live.

00:30:22.000 So like when they say, you know, I think I'm seeing a little bit worse disease in the vaccinated, that to me is compelling.

00:30:29.000 Now, it's not, again, definitive data, but the more frequent data, we're seeing that out of Germany, out of Alberta, Denmark, even, they showed that much higher rates of the vaccinated were getting COVID.

00:30:43.000 So it has a negative efficacy at this point.

00:30:45.000 For Omicron, for sure.

00:30:46.000 Yeah, for Omicron.

00:30:46.000 I'm sorry.

00:30:47.000 Yes.

00:30:47.000 Well, and it's the framing of the treatments versus the untreated is the most important framing.

00:30:53.000 And I'm confused about something.

00:30:56.000 And maybe you guys can help me.

00:30:57.000 And a cynical answer will suffice.

00:30:59.000 Great.

00:30:59.000 By the way, why do I get hundreds of emails from people saying, Charlie, I don't know what to do because I have COVID.

00:31:06.000 My doctor told me to go home.

00:31:07.000 And if it gets bad enough, go to the hospital.

00:31:10.000 And in what civilization is that acceptable?

00:31:13.000 It's not.

00:31:13.000 It's really not.

00:31:14.000 Not at this stage.

00:31:15.000 In fact, we could rewind this too.

00:31:18.000 I think it hasn't been acceptable since about maybe March or April of 2020.

00:31:22.000 And in this moment, if somebody says that's their doctor, I say, get another doctor.

00:31:27.000 You must because they are just not current on what's possible here at all.

00:31:30.000 There's not enough for that other doctor, though.

00:31:33.000 And that's the problem.

00:31:34.000 That's another, you know, we talked about those biases that I already saw.

00:31:37.000 And now I'm seeing it.

00:31:39.000 It's so ferocious, like Chris was saying, like the data on the vaccine showing that the safety, the efficacy data is failing.

00:31:47.000 And literally, you're having doctors who are quoting newspapers.

00:31:50.000 They're practicing medicine out of newspapers, right?

00:31:52.000 Because when Wolensky and Fauci and every newspaper article says safe and effective, they're just spouting this stuff.

00:31:58.000 On the early court justices, even.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, Supreme Court just, oh, wow.

00:32:01.000 She was never informed.

00:32:03.000 Wow.

00:32:04.000 That was a phenomenal display of complete programming.

00:32:08.000 You know, you know, it's a, you know, Plato would call it a noble lie.

00:32:12.000 Yes.

00:32:12.000 Yeah.

00:32:13.000 Noble eyes are.

00:32:14.000 Yeah, I have trouble getting that word out, actually, to noble eyes, because it's so, if it was noble, it was for like a hot minute.

00:32:22.000 And it's a horror show.

00:32:24.000 The disagreement Aristotle had is noble according to whom.

00:32:28.000 Yes.

00:32:28.000 And for what.

00:32:29.000 Yes.

00:32:30.000 That's very true.

00:32:33.000 And so this thing about, so if you don't mind, Charlie, I just want to trace down why this has happened, why you're getting those calls.

00:32:42.000 Like, I'm sick.

00:32:44.000 I hear that these medicines are effective.

00:32:47.000 Nobody will provide them to me.

00:32:49.000 So the way I would sum that up is what you are seeing is the terrible consequences of a decades-long war, which is ramped up in COVID, of the entire pharmaceutical industry attacking what are called repurposed drugs, off-patent, low-profit, safe, generic medicines.

00:33:17.000 If you have a disease model, especially a novel disease model, in which now a market opens up for therapeutics, and that entire pharmaceutical industry has literally the potential gains of about hundreds of billions, probably if you include the vaccines in those markets.

00:33:34.000 And they've done this for years in lots of disease.

00:33:36.000 It's well known and described in oncology and cardiology.

00:33:39.000 But here in infectious disease, unfortunately for the pharmaceutical industry, is that doctors discovered that these older, repurposed drugs had antiviral properties.

00:33:50.000 They were ridiculously slate, widely available, really cheap, and they did a really good job against this disease.

00:33:58.000 They have fierce powers at influencing and destroying the evidence of efficacy around older medicines.

00:34:07.000 And I can detail you sort of how they waged that war, but the simplest is as follows.

00:34:13.000 You cannot believe anything that I say about this if you don't at least understand that the agencies are fully captured by the pharmaceutical industry.

00:34:23.000 None of this would happen if they weren't fully under the control and influence of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:34:28.000 In fact, if you look at any action or policy around a therapeutic or a vaccine in this pandemic, whatever it's written, whatever comes out each day, ask yourself, if I was a pharmaceutical company, how would I write that policy and why would I make this decision?

00:34:45.000 And your answer would be that's exactly what a pharmaceutical company would write.

00:34:49.000 And it's happening day after day after day.

00:34:51.000 Okay, we just talked about Omicron is mild.

00:34:54.000 It's ripping through the population.

00:34:56.000 The existing vaccines aren't even built through it.

00:35:00.000 It's breaking through vaccines.

00:35:01.000 It has negative efficacy through vaccines.

00:35:03.000 So what do I have to wake up to the other day?

00:35:06.000 Which is the FDA approving boosters for 12 to 17 year olds.

00:35:11.000 So divorced from scientific principles, so clearly corrupt, so clearly with the sole intent of increasing the market of arms available to get a vaccine, that it's, I can't say it's no longer shocking because the brazenness and the records of absurdity are being set on a daily basis.

00:35:30.000 They keep going.

00:35:31.000 It's so rapacious and relentless.

00:35:33.000 They're literally, it's an assault on our lives and the entire public health, not only of this country, but it's across the world.

00:35:40.000 And so I, you know, there are narco-states, right? 1.00

00:35:42.000 States which are largely controlled and operated by, you know, drug lords.

00:35:46.000 I believe that the United States is now a pharma state.

00:35:49.000 I think it's literally run and operated by pharmaceutical companies.

00:35:54.000 They have long had Anthony Fauci as the spokesperson.

00:35:57.000 He has done their business, bidding for 40 years, well described in Bobby Kennedy's book, extremely well detailed, highly referenced, showing that action after action.

00:36:07.000 And by the way, let's take ivermectin as an example.

00:36:10.000 So this non-approval of ivermectin, this attack against ivermectin, look back to the AIDS epidemic with a drug called Bactram, which was what they used for the deadly pneumonia that was killing all the AIDS patients back in the 80s.

00:36:22.000 Lots of doctors, frontline doctors treating these AIDS patients.

00:36:26.000 They knew from oncology that cancer patients who got that pneumonia responded really well to the old drug called Bactram.

00:36:34.000 And so what happened?

00:36:35.000 They kept, the AIDS activists kept going to Fauci, kept going to the NIH.

00:36:40.000 Please approve this drug.

00:36:42.000 People are dying everywhere.

00:36:43.000 We know it works from the cancer data.

00:36:46.000 Would not approve.

00:36:47.000 Would not approve.

00:36:48.000 And it's estimated back then that that non-approval over those years in the 80s, at least about maybe 59,000 AIDS patients died unnecessarily and prematurely for lack of treatment.

00:36:58.000 So the idea that these policies don't have these terrible downstream effects has been recognized for decades.

00:37:06.000 But here, the way they fought this one is the first thing they do, it's called disinformation.

00:37:11.000 It's actually, I keep citing the paper.

00:37:14.000 It's a group called the Union for Concerned Scientists.

00:37:16.000 They wrote this article a few years ago called the Disinformation Playbook.

00:37:19.000 I would invite anyone to Google it.

00:37:22.000 And it talks about the tactics that corporations will use when science is inconvenient to their interests.

00:37:29.000 And these tactics were actually perfected and invented by the tobacco industry, which had a really long run of lots of success at suppressing inconvenient data for their product, right?

00:37:40.000 And there's many examples of it happening ever since.

00:37:43.000 But the disinformation that they've used around ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

00:37:47.000 So first of all, 2020 was the war on the repurposed drug hydroxychloroquine.

00:37:52.000 They were able to bury that.

00:37:53.000 They were able to get it non-approved, non-recommended.

00:37:56.000 And the actions that they took are so sinister as to be almost indescribable.

00:38:02.000 But I would invite your listeners or viewers to read Bobby's Kenny's book, that chapter one, they literally designed studies to fail.

00:38:11.000 They put fraudulent papers in all the medical journals, and they tried as best they could to not do early treatment trials.

00:38:18.000 They were literally testing it in the hospital when anyone would know you don't use an antiviral 10 days into disease.

00:38:24.000 Okay, so that's hydroxychloroquine.

00:38:29.000 So they took that one down on safety, right?

00:38:31.000 So even my own doctor at one point said, oh, we all know that that'll create heart issues because of the QTC prolongation.

00:38:37.000 So I went back and I looked and the WHO had done this big review of all these different anti-malarial drugs and hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were a class of them.

00:38:44.000 They looked at, they looked back through 50 years of data and they reported in 2017, zero deaths could have been actually ascribed from heart failure due to either chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, which is safer.

00:38:56.000 Zero.

00:38:57.000 No tersade to point, nothing, right?

00:38:59.000 So that was the data for 50 years.

00:39:01.000 And then all of a sudden.

00:39:02.000 Dangerous drug.

00:39:03.000 It's a dangerous drug.

00:39:04.000 After a 50-year track record, suddenly dangerous.

00:39:06.000 So that's the lupus patients, right?

00:39:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:09.000 And so, you know, it's, you know, that first year, so we have colleagues, so like Dr. Peter McCullough, people know, he's always spoken out.

00:39:17.000 He was probably the early treatment pioneer.

00:39:19.000 He is one of the early treatment pioneers in this country.

00:39:23.000 Him and his colleagues who were treating early back in 2020, they knew it worked.

00:39:28.000 Myself and my group, we were so buried in hospital work.

00:39:31.000 We were trying to figure out how to treat the hospital phase of the disease.

00:39:34.000 It was only when we discovered ivermectin as an earlier day that we started to get a lot more involved in the early treatment aspect.

00:39:40.000 But hydroxychloroquine by doctors, frontline physicians, has been known to be highly effective many places around the world.

00:39:46.000 It's in guidelines in many countries, and doctors across the world are using it.

00:39:50.000 And I would be remiss if I didn't add that, interestingly, as one of the known experts on ivermectin, I'm finding in Omicron, hydroxychloroquine is actually equal to or probably better than ivermectin.

00:40:03.000 I'm getting better, more robust responses from hydroctectin.

00:40:06.000 I use them in combination, so it's sometimes hard to parse the two differences.

00:40:10.000 But I have had now enough patients tell me that after they got their hydroxychloroquine, after having been started on ivermectin, they could feel an improvement much more rapidly after starting hydroxychloroquine.

00:40:22.000 So that story and the sinister actions they took are very well documented.

00:40:28.000 I wasn't living them.

00:40:29.000 I didn't have a front row seat to them.

00:40:30.000 I've had a front row seat to the attacks on the repurposed drug ivermectin.

00:40:36.000 They've distorted the science.

00:40:38.000 They've essentially all of the medical journals, the major ones, will not publish a positive ivermectin trial.

00:40:44.000 They only will publish negative ones.

00:40:46.000 I know that because I can see what's being published.

00:40:48.000 I've talked to a lot of the investigators.

00:40:50.000 They cannot get the journals to look at their trials.

00:40:53.000 They get rejected.

00:40:54.000 They don't get sent out for the ruse.

00:40:56.000 So they've controlled the journals.

00:40:58.000 In the media, you've seen what the media does to ivermectin, right?

00:41:02.000 It's one of the most heinous PR campaigns in history.

00:41:07.000 But it's literally a concerted and coordinated and highly expert attack on a PR to demonize that medicine.

00:41:16.000 But they couldn't do it on safety.

00:41:17.000 So my subspecialty at Duke was toxicology.

00:41:20.000 So that's, I actually went to toxicology, but it's not a department.

00:41:22.000 So pathology is a department.

00:41:24.000 I study toxicology, which is drug interactions, pharmacodynamics and kinetics, and what happens.

00:41:29.000 So this brilliant toxicologist worldwide, Jacques Ducote, he goes through 500 papers on ivermectin, looks everywhere he possibly can, and concludes this is one of the safest drugs you could possibly find.

00:41:40.000 It's ridiculously safe.

00:41:42.000 So they couldn't take it out in safety.

00:41:44.000 So they went down this crazy thing of it being a horse dewormer, right?

00:41:48.000 When obviously we use it for scabies, we use it for uncostoriasis and all sorts of things, right?

00:41:54.000 So all of a sudden, it's just a horse dewormer to the point where I guess it was just yesterday on Jimmy Kimmel, they had anti-vax Barbie and she's drinking horse dewormer, you know, or something, horse paste.

00:42:02.000 And it was amazing how effective that was because it's very effective.

00:42:06.000 Because even the FDA, even the FDA itself said, you know, stop y'all.

00:42:10.000 They ridiculed it.

00:42:11.000 And to show you another action to show that we do live in a state controlled by the pharmaceutical industry, this is what happened in August of this year during the big delta wave in the summer, is that the prescriptions, we have this data, the prescriptions for ivermectin were hitting 90,000 a week, well over 20x of baseline.

00:42:37.000 And so when you saw that, it peaked.

00:42:40.000 They were starting to say 90,000 a week in like this middle of to the late August.

00:42:45.000 And that's when those prescriptions hit there.

00:42:48.000 That's when suddenly you saw this coordinated PR campaign.

00:42:51.000 And this is how it went.

00:42:52.000 First, there was reports in the media that were quickly debunked, but not debunked quickly enough to not spread across the world, right?

00:43:00.000 And you saw one of the absurd, and by the way, hats off in a bizarre sense to whatever PR executive came up with that headline, which is, you know, the ERs are overflowing with ivermectin overdase, right?

00:43:12.000 So that gunshot victims can't get care.

00:43:14.000 I mean, even I clicked on that.

00:43:17.000 I mean, you couldn't resist clicking.

00:43:19.000 He was not, he didn't work for the hospital.

00:43:21.000 He did an interview from home, made it up, but not the lie went 10 times around the world before the truth.

00:43:27.000 And then they started, you know, and this was the action that shows that the agencies are captured.

00:43:33.000 So that's when the CDC, so when the prescriptions hit so high, the CDC came out and put a bulletin.

00:43:39.000 And this is that proximate step to what you just described.

00:43:42.000 When the CDC sent out a bulletin in late August saying that calls to poison centers had increased.

00:43:50.000 Yeah, because people were being forced to take probably the animal forms.

00:43:53.000 And so like, maybe they had buyers' remorse.

00:43:55.000 So they were calling, like, I just took some of this.

00:43:56.000 Am I okay?

00:43:57.000 Who knows what they were?

00:43:59.000 That was also later debunked.

00:44:00.000 The actual rise in calls was minimal, minimal.

00:44:04.000 But they put out a threatening letter to all the state departments.

00:44:08.000 It shows you the awesome power of these federal agencies, right?

00:44:11.000 They put out a memo.

00:44:12.000 Every state department of health, every state department of health sends it to every licensed physician in that state.

00:44:18.000 So essentially, you have the CDC sending a memo which appears in the inbox of every licensed physician in the country.

00:44:25.000 And it's not kind to ivermectin.

00:44:27.000 It says ridiculous things that are either half-truths, mistruths, or just clear manipulation tactics.

00:44:33.000 For instance, they say repeatedly in all of their communications: the FDA has not approved this for ivermectin.

00:44:41.000 If you know anything about the FDA, they were never going to approve it for, I mean, for COVID, because it's already approved.

00:44:48.000 Off-label prescribing is not only legal, but historically, it's actually even been encouraged by the FDA.

00:44:55.000 And so, just so you know, that influence over the doctors, and most doctors are not critically thinking about this, they're not open-minded.

00:45:02.000 They actually have so much implicit faith and trust into the good guidance of these agencies that when they see someone like me and my group as highly credentialed and published as we are, you know, we have somewhere somewhere around 1,500 to 2,000 peer-reviewed publications amongst our group.

00:45:18.000 All of us are well-known in our specialty.

00:45:21.000 I mean, I thought we had unassailable credentials, but they won't listen to us because the agencies say it's a horse deworm.

00:45:29.000 Now, let's get really dark about this.

00:45:30.000 I got a text last night from a good friend of mine, a good friend of his.

00:45:34.000 His wife is really struggling.

00:45:36.000 They're in Las Vegas, and the emergency was the prescription can't be filled.

00:45:40.000 The pharmacists are refusing.

00:45:43.000 Do you know of any in Las Vegas?

00:45:44.000 And so, I had to scramble to try and help, you know, but it's when have pharmacists ever decided that you can't have a drug?

00:45:52.000 Well, listen, that fight with the, so I have a sub stack I've been writing, and I wrote one on a Saturday night fight at the pharmacy, and I basically detailed, you read it.

00:46:00.000 So, brilliant.

00:46:01.000 I detailed one particular, and by the way, that's been happening to me forever.

00:46:05.000 And, you know, we talked about this a little bit before we came on, but it's literally, I wouldn't say an underground railroad, but we basically like, I have to find safe haven pharmacies, and generally they're compounding pharmacies where the and you have to find you know, sympathetic pharmacists that are willing to fill because they know that the system's corrupt or they know that the evidence is there.

00:46:27.000 It's easier to get fentanyl in America than ivermectin.

00:46:30.000 I retweeted your tweet today, and I put in like maybe four more thoughts about how corrupt that is.

00:46:35.000 It's worthy of reflection, yeah.

00:46:37.000 And so I was going to ask you guys about it, and you brought it up, but I want to kind of zero in on it, which is the pharmacist issue.

00:46:44.000 That's a whole different component, right?

00:46:46.000 So, that memo that went to the state department, the departments of health, that went to all the physicians, that was lockstep with the pharmacy thing.

00:46:46.000 But it's safe.

00:46:55.000 It went to all boards of pharmacy, all pharmacy boards sent it to all of their pharmacists.

00:46:59.000 So it's literally mass manipulation.

00:47:04.000 It's really just propaganda.

00:47:05.000 So the forces of pharma, when you have these agencies captured, if you want the nation to stop using ivermectin, I mean, literally, it takes a memo that's sent electronically to all the departments of health.

00:47:19.000 And all of the departments of health will fall suit.

00:47:22.000 They didn't factor for one variable, though.

00:47:25.000 Tractor supply?

00:47:25.000 Okay.

00:47:27.000 Joe Rogan.

00:47:28.000 That's true.

00:47:29.000 So there are some counter, and I would argue our organization is one of the few that is trying to put up a fight.

00:47:35.000 I mean, you guys have done an amazing job.

00:47:37.000 I just mentioned the Rogan thing because he really was a glitch in the Matrix.

00:47:42.000 He comes out, they change the coloration of his video that he puts on Instagram.

00:47:48.000 And he says, quote, through the kitchen sink at it, including ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, I was doing bad, I'm doing great.

00:47:54.000 Joe triples, quadruples down and goes through the entire kind of gauntlet of it.

00:48:01.000 And they weren't expecting that.

00:48:03.000 That whole kind of new media.

00:48:04.000 Now, I find it fascinating, though, because you mentioned the tobacco example.

00:48:09.000 Yeah.

00:48:11.000 I can conceivably see 1975, five major newspapers, 20 major radio stations, three major television stations.

00:48:20.000 Okay, I could control that.

00:48:22.000 I'm tobacco out of Western Kentucky, whatever, Marlboro, wherever they're headquartered, you know, where all the tobacco farms are.

00:48:29.000 I could hire enough lobbyists to choke point that.

00:48:31.000 What's been shocking is how effective they've been to choke point where everyone has a supercomputer in their right-hand pocket.

00:48:39.000 Well, the way I understand that, and this is probably, I'm going to go a little bit outside my lane as a physician, but I'm a close student of all things COVID and what's going on in the world right now.

00:48:48.000 But the way I understand that, because I have the same question, how can they exert such homogenous and widespread global powers over information, you know, in all major media in many, many different countries?

00:49:02.000 Not total, because there's been outbreaks.

00:49:03.000 There are actually countries out there that are doing wonderfully with some of these repurposes.

00:49:07.000 I'm going to ask you about that.

00:49:08.000 Yeah.

00:49:09.000 We can talk about that.

00:49:10.000 But the way I understand it, and Chris is probably a bigger student than I am, but I'm going to talk about the consolidation of financial power, right?

00:49:17.000 So if you look at the three largest multi-trillion dollar investment funds, right?

00:49:23.000 They come down to the three, which is BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard.

00:49:28.000 They essentially own control, influential or outright controlling stakes in every entity that we're talking about, every corporate entity that is involved in COVID.

00:49:39.000 So the entire pharmaceutical industry, they have controlling or influential stakes in all of major media.

00:49:45.000 And so when you wonder how they can exert such widespread and ferocious control, I mean, right down to YouTube, like YouTube community guidelines, it's so unsubtle.

00:49:56.000 The third bullet point is you are not allowed to say anything nice about hydroxyl.

00:50:03.000 You cannot talk about the effectiveness of hydroxyl.

00:50:06.000 Literally, what would a pharmaceutical company do if they were to write those policies?

00:50:10.000 That's what they would write, right?

00:50:12.000 So pharmaceutical companies are writing media company community guidelines.

00:50:19.000 They're telling the media companies, you put that in your guidelines.

00:50:23.000 We don't want the masses of humanity discussing the efficacy of these repurposed drugs.

00:50:29.000 That's how insane we are.

00:50:30.000 That's how horrible this is.

00:50:34.000 Well, it's, yeah, I've been on the front lines of this fight, too.

00:50:37.000 So I couldn't get my arms around it, though, because it was so powerful and so comprehensive.

00:50:42.000 So here were my scratchy record moments.

00:50:44.000 There's this mayor of Puerto Feliz, Brazil.

00:50:46.000 Yeah.

00:50:47.000 Right.

00:50:47.000 And he's early on.

00:50:48.000 He's a doctor, but he happens to be mayor.

00:50:50.000 And he starts figuring out hydroxychloroquine and also ivermectin.

00:50:53.000 And so he starts treating people like that.

00:50:55.000 And next thing you know, all the surrounding counties, people are flocking because he has this huge survival rate.

00:50:59.000 And then he gets elected with 98% of the vote.

00:51:02.000 Because it turns out not having your subjects die is popular.

00:51:06.000 So I'm waiting for this to go off like a flashbulb in politicians' minds all over the place.

00:51:10.000 And it didn't, right?

00:51:12.000 How are they so powerful that Belarus knuckled under and Italy and Spain and the UK? 0.97

00:51:18.000 Only Sweden is the only country I'm aware of that really just in Europe that just went its own way on this whole thing and they've got great results to show for it.

00:51:25.000 But that power is extraordinary.

00:51:27.000 And so is it really just money?

00:51:30.000 I have questions about that.

00:51:32.000 I think there's other that mass formation.

00:51:34.000 There's other things that have been triggered.

00:51:36.000 It's those biases.

00:51:37.000 It's the lack of listening to data anymore.

00:51:39.000 And it's also misinformation where, you know, as much as we've been students and we've lived this on the front lines and we've been deeply studying all things COVID, I do want to put, you know, call attention to the average citizen out there and how badly I feel for them in terms of they're starving for good information, if not literally dying for lack of good information.

00:52:02.000 You know, they're going to hospitals with literally corrupt protocols being offered.

00:52:06.000 The medical system has completely failed.

00:52:09.000 And the only positive thing I'll say about it is I think it's failed so spectacularly that it's ripped open exactly what underlies it, which is this profit motive.

00:52:19.000 Now, people can ascribe other motives too.

00:52:22.000 I like just to stick with profits because I'm most comfortable there.

00:52:24.000 It's most easy to understand.

00:52:25.000 And it's sort of the oldest trick in the book.

00:52:28.000 But this horrific profit motive that's so baked in and embedded into the way our health system works and especially how it's responded to this disease.

00:52:38.000 It's been about vaccinating as much and selling as much medicines as we can.

00:52:42.000 Massive, massive, untold of profits prior to this.

00:52:48.000 I think it's more, you go there, Chris, because I just want to stick in my little lane here because then it gets really spooky.

00:52:55.000 Well, it raises for me the idea that COVID didn't create this.

00:52:58.000 It merely exposed what was already corrupt and rotten.

00:53:00.000 Yeah. 0.56

00:53:01.000 Right.

00:53:01.000 So maybe this is sort of fourth-turning institutional failure moment, right?

00:53:04.000 But, you know, this is where we're at.

00:53:06.000 We're seeing the SEC comprehensively fail, the CDC, the FDA, the FE, the Fed, et cetera.

00:53:11.000 I mean, like, I'm hard-pressed as an American to say which institutions do I trust at this point, but this exposed, to your earliest question.

00:53:18.000 The FLCCC.

00:53:19.000 I'm sorry, I just had to put that in there, Chris.

00:53:21.000 As an organization, yes, but soon to be an institution.

00:53:26.000 We should be an institution soon.

00:53:28.000 Bureaucracies exist first to protect their Leviathan.

00:53:31.000 That's the only incentive they have, right?

00:53:33.000 And that's where when Fauci's email came out on Friday evening, January 31st, he's emailing Hugh Auchencloss.

00:53:40.000 The most important data point is what bureaucrat works at one o'clock in the morning, only if they're trying to cover something else.

00:53:47.000 It's the only reason a bureaucrat would work. 0.99

00:53:49.000 And so you kind of have these kind of self-perpetuating machines in all sorts of different sectors that cover for them, cover for one and cover for the other.

00:54:00.000 So I think it is deeper than money.

00:54:02.000 I think it's partially power.

00:54:03.000 Also, this has given a lot of previously irrelevant people meaning and purpose, notoriety, celebrity.

00:54:11.000 And I hate to say it, but it feels very similar to the Lockheed Martins and the Northrop Grummans that really wanted to see war for a couple decades.

00:54:23.000 The same sort of pattern of behavior, the same sort of lies in front of the United Nations that were told we have this much weapons of mass destruction.

00:54:30.000 I know that's not in the lane we're talking about.

00:54:31.000 Dude, it's very similar.

00:54:32.000 I agree.

00:54:33.000 It's a medical industry.

00:54:34.000 It's a complete lie.

00:54:36.000 It's just business by any other name.

00:54:38.000 So you mentioned something that was shocking to me when I first learned it.

00:54:43.000 I get IV therapy once a week, as I mentioned.

00:54:45.000 And the guy administering the IV used to work at one of the hospitals.

00:54:48.000 So I just started to pick his brain one day.

00:54:50.000 I said, so tell me, at what point do you guys administer the vitamin D booster shot for COVID patients?

00:54:57.000 See how naive.

00:54:58.000 You should stop reading, Charlie.

00:55:00.000 Stop being so up on the science here because it's not scientific what's happening.

00:55:04.000 He said, We do not have vitamin D at our hospital.

00:55:09.000 I said, Okay, what is your treatment?

00:55:12.000 This guy's frontline, ICU COVID.

00:55:15.000 The front of the lines in an elderly community, West Valley.

00:55:18.000 So, you know, you have a lot of people that need treatment and they have low D levels, as you well know.

00:55:23.000 Of course.

00:55:23.000 They're cooped up all day.

00:55:25.000 He says, We administer them, we check their oxygen level.

00:55:29.000 Nice.

00:55:30.000 And if it's below a certain, we get in a certain one, we go on oxygen machine, then ventilator.

00:55:35.000 At most, we'll do remdesivir.

00:55:38.000 And he said, whatever the protocol guidelines are.

00:55:41.000 But he said, Charlie, most of these nurses, they really have no idea what they're doing, or it's just about kind of management at best, not intervention.

00:55:54.000 Right.

00:55:54.000 And I checked this morning, NIH guidelines, treatments still say there's not enough information for or against vitamin D. They're neutral on it.

00:56:00.000 When there's tons of data on vitamin D, randomized controlled trials, epidemiological data, observational prospective, you name it.

00:56:07.000 Wait, wait, Chris, is that because they're waiting for the results of that very large multi-center double-blind randomized control trial that they funded in the beginning?

00:56:15.000 And that's about to come to completion.

00:56:16.000 Is that what they're waiting for?

00:56:17.000 You have a time machine, right?

00:56:18.000 Because I think that's they're funding that in so much.

00:56:20.000 So basically, the CDC has not taken a position on sunlight.

00:56:24.000 Yes, exactly.

00:56:26.000 Exactly.

00:56:26.000 Yes.

00:56:27.000 And that's, you know, the things that when I started to really scratch, I literally, when I started to see some of the actions that were failing at science from the beginning, I actually ascribed it to stupidity. 0.99

00:56:27.000 True. 0.99

00:56:40.000 I was just like, that's really stupid. 1.00

00:56:43.000 Don't they know X? 1.00

00:56:44.000 Like, fill in the blanks.

00:56:45.000 So, for instance, when I heard that literally, as a national policy in March of 2020, they were restricting the use of hydroxychloroquine to hospitalized patients only.

00:56:56.000 I saw it to myself.

00:56:57.000 I scratched my head.

00:56:58.000 I said, wait, it's being used purportedly for its antiviral properties.

00:57:02.000 The virus is active.

00:57:04.000 Any antiviral should be given within first hours to days of symptoms.

00:57:08.000 They're restricting it to the phase where it won't work. 1.00

00:57:12.000 And I was like, that's really stupid. 0.99

00:57:13.000 Like, who's making these policies? 1.00

00:57:16.000 I literally, and that was, that was as generous as I got is that they were stupid, right? 1.00

00:57:20.000 They actually were. 1.00

00:57:21.000 Now, it's going back to my point. 0.88

00:57:23.000 That was not stupid.

00:57:24.000 I was absolutely willful to try to bury any knowledge or learning of efficacy. 0.53

00:57:30.000 And then vitamin D, right?

00:57:33.000 Trial and study and study and study after, and has been shown for decades.

00:57:36.000 A couple of things.

00:57:37.000 Number one, the U.S. government knows what proportion are vitamin D deficient in this country.

00:57:41.000 It's a massive proportion, anywhere from 65 to 90% in 2016.

00:57:47.000 You have, you know, the nursing homes were getting ravaged in the spring of 2020.

00:57:52.000 And we should talk about why they're not now.

00:57:53.000 If you read my sub stack at the end, and I've got interesting data, that go ahead.

00:57:57.000 That's a safe haven, seemingly.

00:57:59.000 Nursing homes now a safe haven.

00:58:01.000 And I'll give you my theory why.

00:58:02.000 But, you know, the vitamin D, it was so clear these obscene proportions of nursing home residents that were dying, obviously elderly and comorbidly, but vitamin D had to play a role.

00:58:14.000 The decades of knowledge that the entire country, good portions of the country, especially low-income inner city populations, and something as benign as vitamin D, like, how about just check a vitamin D level?

00:58:26.000 And, you know, like, can't that would be like just a prudent, sound, pragmatic practice.

00:58:31.000 Like, hey, doctors of America, why don't you check vitamin D levels as we fly through this pandemic?

00:58:37.000 And that way you can identify those division and replete.

00:58:41.000 Precautionary principle, solid medicine, reasonable, kind of unassailable, right?

00:58:46.000 But nothing.

00:58:47.000 And in fact, even the crazy thing is, Anthony Fauci, in an interview, as you may know, he admitted he takes vitamin D.

00:58:54.000 I think who was that with?

00:58:55.000 It was that Starlet, right?

00:58:56.000 So he was starstruck.

00:58:57.000 Oh, it wasn't that he lost his mind.

00:58:59.000 He actually told the truth.

00:59:01.000 Except for Lawrence's vlog.

00:59:03.000 But you want to go back.

00:59:03.000 So I'll just make that quick point.

00:59:05.000 So we have an analyst that works with us, covers a lot of the epidemiologic data going around the world and different programs and success stories of ivermectin.

00:59:14.000 One of the things that he picked out is that he was looking at what happened after, you know, when I gave testimony in the Senate, it went viral, right?

00:59:21.000 So I was kind of really angry.

00:59:24.000 I actually got insulted by my former party senator at the beginning of it.

00:59:28.000 Tammy Baldwin?

00:59:28.000 And I kind of.

00:59:30.000 No, it was Peters, I think.

00:59:32.000 Oh, from Michigan?

00:59:33.000 Yes.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, I think it was Peters.

00:59:36.000 He was the ranking member.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, that's from Michigan.

00:59:37.000 I thought you meant from Wisconsin.

00:59:38.000 Yeah, no, no, he was the ranking member of that committee that was testifying.

00:59:38.000 I'm sorry.

00:59:43.000 And, you know, so it went viral.

00:59:45.000 And, you know, we learned afterwards that not only was there a huge upsurge in interest in ivermectin, because there's this doctor screaming about this drug that's working, right?

00:59:54.000 So people like got nothing else to treat it.

00:59:57.000 Might as well look into it.

00:59:58.000 And I think a lot of people, when they looked into it, found it effective.

01:00:00.000 Doctors started using it.

01:00:02.000 We started hearing more and more, I guess, anecdotes, but doctors just immediately started to use it and they were seeing just phenomenal effects.

01:00:10.000 Okay.

01:00:11.000 So it became very popular.

01:00:13.000 And then we started hearing reports of nursing homes.

01:00:16.000 So there was one famous study that came out of France from very early on where there was a scabies outbreak in a nursing home.

01:00:22.000 And a standard protocol for a nursing home, if there's a scabies outbreak, is everybody takes ivermectin, all the patients and all the staff.

01:00:30.000 And they noticed that in that nursing home that kind of serendipitously had a scabies outbreak, I think it was early March of 2020, nobody died and very few went to the hospital.

01:00:43.000 Meanwhile, all around them in nursing homes, large proportions were getting sick and going.

01:00:48.000 And they said, gee, I wonder if it's the ivermectin that everybody wants to do.

01:00:52.000 And it was just a month after that in Toronto, they had the same thing, but it was a floor.

01:00:56.000 It was just a floor and like a multi-story.

01:00:59.000 Even a better study, if you want to design a study, let's just give this floor ivermectin. 0.80

01:01:03.000 You almost as if to say we had a cruise ship out in the middle of the Pacific and we could be able to tell how infectious the disease was, but we never had such opportunities early on to match the ladies. 0.96

01:01:16.000 But so just to finish this aspect, which I found fascinating, because the analyst just came up with this data recently, a few weeks ago, and I was shocked.

01:01:23.000 But if you look up into the time of the testimony when the word got out about ivermectin, and I think people started looking at my paper, because my paper, I detail some of this data that we're talking about.

01:01:35.000 The proportion of all U.S. deaths from COVID that were in nursing homes was around 30%.

01:01:41.000 They were contributing 30% of all U.S. deaths.

01:01:44.000 And right around mid-January, suddenly the proportion of deaths that are coming from nursing homes plummeted to around 5%.

01:01:52.000 And they've been like that ever since.

01:01:56.000 At the same time, we had reports from nursing home directors.

01:01:59.000 I think the nursing homes figured it out.

01:02:01.000 And so directors, they started treating everyone with ivermectin upon controlling outbreaks, preventing hospitalization.

01:02:08.000 And no one's explained that why.

01:02:10.000 And so when you talk about this pharmacy thing about how your friends or family are telling you they can't get pharmacy, well, maybe they should become a nursing home resident because nursing homes tend to have their own pharmacies.

01:02:21.000 They don't have to go to Walgreens counter and deal with some smug, arrogant pharmacist who knows not what he's talking about or she or she most recently is talking about.

01:02:30.000 They can just get access to it in the nursing home.

01:02:33.000 So I consider nursing homes almost a safe haven from COVID because you can get access to cheap, repurposed medications without dealing with these manipulated, mind-manipulated blockades at the pharmacies.

01:02:45.000 I have a good friend who is a residential care facility operator, and he just got a hold of all this data and just went exactly the direction you're talking about.

01:02:53.000 The kicker is going back to this profit thing.

01:02:56.000 Man, I'm so tired of talking about profits.

01:02:58.000 But is it in the best interest of a nursing home to keep their patients in-house or does it work for them to go to the hospital?

01:03:06.000 I know you've been bashing profits, of which I agree when it comes to the pharmaceutical companies because their incentive is to addict you, but it's the opposite incentive for the nursing home, isn't it?

01:03:16.000 They didn't want to wait around for the mutagenic Molnu Piravir or the Spaxlova.

01:03:21.000 They were like, yeah, let's use something now because we just lost 30% of our patients in the first few months of this.

01:03:27.000 And it's pays us every month there.

01:03:31.000 So, I mean, you see how these profit motives are influenced by just incredible behaviors.

01:03:35.000 And so, you know, and then going back to the, you know, I had, you know, Chris has to do, Chris is a guide to a lot of people who reach out to him.

01:03:42.000 I'm a physician.

01:03:43.000 I have the power of prescribing.

01:03:45.000 And so, but I'm constantly having to navigate.

01:03:47.000 So now, you know, a lot of us have, you know, lists of pharmacies that ship, ship overnight in different states.

01:03:53.000 We have state-by-state lists.

01:03:54.000 And so, you know, we're literally having to do this like blockade, navigate through a blockade of restricting access to life-saving medicines.

01:04:04.000 Yeah, for me personally, people know that we know people that can get them ivermectin.

01:04:10.000 And again, I'm not a doctor, but I'm also not an idiot.

01:04:14.000 That's an important thing to mention.

01:04:17.000 And I tell people, okay, look, if you really need it, we can make it.

01:04:21.000 Why don't you try melatonin, azithromycin, you know, baby aspirin, D-zinc, good night's rest, you know, IV therapy, maybe some ozone.

01:04:29.000 If you really need ivermectin in 48 hours, thankfully, it hasn't, you know, gone beyond that.

01:04:35.000 But it is fascinating to see, though, in the last couple of months.

01:04:41.000 And now I want to get into the vaccine conversation because I'm really curious.

01:04:45.000 How many fully vaccinated people are freaking out?

01:04:49.000 And they're asking for treatments.

01:04:51.000 They feel like they were lied to.

01:04:52.000 So let me ask you a question about the vaccine, and either of you could take this.

01:04:56.000 Do you think the vaccine has done more harm than good in perpetuating the virus?

01:05:03.000 Forget the adverse events.

01:05:04.000 We could talk about that.

01:05:06.000 Well, I would say if you look at 2020 compared to 2021, the cases were higher, the deaths were higher.

01:05:18.000 And the differences between those two years was the introduction of a vaccine.

01:05:23.000 And what you're talking about is the all-cause mortality, right?

01:05:26.000 Right.

01:05:26.000 So I was just talking about crude cases and deaths, just that alone.

01:05:30.000 So that would be point one.

01:05:31.000 COVID.

01:05:31.000 Are you talking COVID?

01:05:32.000 I'm just talking about COVID cases, COVID deaths were higher.

01:05:35.000 Because top line deaths are interesting.

01:05:36.000 Yeah, because the all-cause that's the more important thing.

01:05:38.000 That's the next layer that I'll let him talk.

01:05:40.000 I'm super interested in.

01:05:41.000 Yeah, finish the question.

01:05:42.000 So just looking at how the pandemic was in 2020, in 2021, you cannot argue that it was better.

01:05:50.000 Okay.

01:05:51.000 Yet every paper across the land screened and vilified the unvaccinated for not getting with the program and for actually fueling a worsening of the pandemic when there were no vaccines in 2020.

01:06:05.000 So suddenly, when everybody was unvaccinated, their unvaccinated status was not something to be vilified.

01:06:12.000 When only a minority were unvaccinated in 2021, they had to be vilified.

01:06:16.000 And so just by the fact that it was worse in 2020, now you could say, okay, maybe there was, you know, an unfortunate variant that made things worse in 2021.

01:06:24.000 Well, you could also have to ask the question, was that the vaccine?

01:06:27.000 Right.

01:06:27.000 So there's nobody can argue that things got better.

01:06:31.000 Now, when you want to go how bad things got, we can get into that because I think, you know, here's what I want to say about vaccines before anything else is that The policies and lies told, let's not even talk about the data on safety, efficacy, protection, but the aberrant behaviors around these vaccine policies should give pause.

01:06:56.000 One of the most screaming ones was this natural immunity, this willful overlooking of natural immunity, which shocked anyone who has half a brain in medicine, knows anything.

01:07:08.000 I'll go further.

01:07:08.000 Depression.

01:07:09.000 They were suppressing natural immunity.

01:07:09.000 Yeah.

01:07:12.000 Right.

01:07:13.000 You mean suppressing the idea that natural immunity was protective.

01:07:15.000 Right.

01:07:16.000 And why would a captured health agency want to vaccinate the naturally immune?

01:07:25.000 Is it to sell more vaccines?

01:07:26.000 I mean, we have the data on this.

01:07:27.000 Even as of last week, the CDC was still talking about natural immunity.

01:07:31.000 They have this ridiculous Kentucky study.

01:07:33.000 It has like 293 patients where, and it was just a retrospective thing where they romped through a database. 0.62

01:07:40.000 Methodologically, it's a nightmare.

01:07:41.000 We had a gold standard study a month prior to that that came out of Israel that looked through a million eight people and came up with 800,000 case, 863,000 case-matched studies to look at.

01:07:53.000 And they said, wow, this stuff is 27 times protective and da-da-da-da-da.

01:07:56.000 So we had the gold standard study.

01:07:57.000 We had it.

01:07:58.000 And the CDC went out and funded a really methodologically shoddy study, put it up on their website and pointed to it over and over again with help from the media, with help from there's an epidemiologist named epidemiologist named Paul Alexander.

01:08:11.000 I think you may know of his work.

01:08:12.000 And, you know, that's one of his many increasing areas of expertise.

01:08:16.000 But I think he's compiled 140 studies showing the profound and enduring protection of natural immunity.

01:08:22.000 So, but even when we didn't have the 140 studies, they were racing around wanting to vaccinate people.

01:08:28.000 Like literally who there were doctors in this country who, when an unvaccinated patient got COVID and then they recovered, the doctors would be like, you need to get vaccinated.

01:08:38.000 Like the world has gone completely mad.

01:08:40.000 So they're vaccinating natural immunity.

01:08:42.000 And I remember at the beginning, I was like, well, why wouldn't they just have you check antibodies before the vaccine?

01:08:47.000 And if you had a positive antibody, that would be indicative of exposure.

01:08:51.000 And that way you could get a pass on the vaccine.

01:08:54.000 They came up with a policy.

01:08:56.000 The FDA actually said, do not check antibodies before vaccine.

01:09:02.000 So I mean, I started to get really scared here.

01:09:04.000 Like now, you know, restricting hydroxylchloric went to the hospital, ignoring natural immunity.

01:09:10.000 And then all of the toxicity data, which we'll talk about.

01:09:16.000 And then I got to see all the media mentions and literally health officials in this country repeatedly saying like a mantra, almost like the mantra of horse dewormer, but the two words, safe and effective, safe and effective, over and over, every single article.

01:09:31.000 Article after article.

01:09:32.000 As the deaths were climbing to 10, 15, 20,000 in an underreported database, you still saw major media articles saying not one death has ever been proven associated with the vaccines.

01:09:45.000 Of course, they didn't look into it.

01:09:47.000 That's the two-step shuffle they do, right?

01:09:49.000 Don't collect the data and then say we don't have the data.

01:09:52.000 And so, you know, I'm just seeing, I'm seeing lack of logic.

01:09:58.000 I'm seeing lies.

01:10:01.000 I'm seeing essentially fraud.

01:10:03.000 I'm seeing no credible.

01:10:04.000 And then you're seeing censoring, right?

01:10:06.000 So then we hit this fever pitch.

01:10:08.000 So it's not only propaganda, but then it's censoring.

01:10:11.000 So they start to see, you know, because some of us who started to follow the toxicity data in the VARS database, and I would argue Chris is one of the first.

01:10:21.000 I mean, he talked to me, we were hanging out in early January or actually maybe, yeah, early January, I remember, Chris, we had a discussion and you and what we call your tribe, a lot of your followers who follow your work and read your work, you know, were really alarmed.

01:10:39.000 Like we'd never seen the spike in events, adverse events, as well as deaths.

01:10:46.000 And that continued to increase.

01:10:48.000 And yet there is no, if you start to discuss it, what do they do?

01:10:53.000 You're instantly labeled an anti-vaxxer.

01:10:55.000 Even scientists who were vaccinated, like Malone, who is a vaccinologist, is air vexed.

01:11:01.000 He invented the technology.

01:11:03.000 Exactly.

01:11:04.000 So anytime, or a guy like Steve Kirsch, who's an engineer, who's been, he's just been phenomenal.

01:11:10.000 I mean, his work, I mean, he's not a physician, but he's a very smart guy.

01:11:15.000 He's an interpreter.

01:11:16.000 He's a data guy.

01:11:17.000 He's an engineer.

01:11:19.000 And he knew that the government's response to early treatment was failing.

01:11:23.000 They were not using available drugs.

01:11:25.000 And he funded trials into the antidepressant fluvoxamine.

01:11:30.000 And so one of his early organizations was the COVID Early Treatment Fund, which is kind of similar to the FLCCC.

01:11:36.000 We were more coming up with protocols.

01:11:38.000 He was more funding research, but we were very aligned as organizations.

01:11:42.000 And then he got on to the vaccine safety.

01:11:45.000 And now he's an expert in vaccine safety.

01:11:47.000 And he's constantly disseminating information.

01:11:49.000 And he's not an anti-vaxxer.

01:11:51.000 His family's vaccinated.

01:11:51.000 He is vaccinated.

01:11:53.000 But he got alarmed that everyone in his circle, he started to see like literally one degree separation from major vaccine injuries.

01:12:01.000 And he thought that it rose above statistical noise and that where there's smoke, there must be fire.

01:12:07.000 And then what he uncovered is just that a devastating amount of data.

01:12:12.000 And yet you can't talk about it.

01:12:15.000 It's censored in the media.

01:12:16.000 And then you saw the last thing I want to say is a paper.

01:12:19.000 I think one of the first paper, I can't even remember the timeline again anymore, Chris, but you know that one paper where they finally showed like number needed to treat to save from COVID and then number needed to harm.

01:12:30.000 And it was literally based on highly underreported data.

01:12:35.000 It was showing that you were more likely, you're essentially more likely to harm someone from the vaccine than help them.

01:12:40.000 So if you ask like how this vaccine's been going, that data was retracted within days.

01:12:45.000 Well, and they retracted that.

01:12:47.000 They came up with a three to two. 0.80

01:12:48.000 They said, you're going to kill three to save two. 0.96

01:12:50.000 And then the CDC said, oh, you can't do that because you're using VARES data and that stuff sucks. 0.98

01:12:55.000 Right.

01:12:56.000 Now, to understand the VARES data, there was this DTP was a vaccine back in the day and they had a lot batch problem and it killed kids.

01:13:06.000 And so they said, okay, two things.

01:13:08.000 It caused a lot of liability for the manufacturers.

01:13:10.000 They said, okay, a couple things.

01:13:11.000 First, we're going to shield them from liability, but we're going to put this VARES system in place to catch early signals should they ever arise.

01:13:17.000 So that's the VAER system is supposed to catch early signals.

01:13:20.000 That's its job.

01:13:21.000 And then they come out and say, well, there's a signal there, but you can't tell anything from it, but they don't actually study any of it.

01:13:27.000 Right?

01:13:27.000 I know people who've been vaccine injured, filed the VARES report.

01:13:30.000 Nobody calls them.

01:13:31.000 Nobody cares.

01:13:32.000 They try and get it followed up.

01:13:34.000 Nobody's interested.

01:13:35.000 And most nurses don't even know what the heck VARES is. 0.63

01:13:38.000 And it's clunky and it takes 40 minutes to fill it out.

01:13:41.000 It's hard to fill it out.

01:13:42.000 It's not easy.

01:13:43.000 Many people have come forward and said, I don't even, I wasn't trained on how to use it.

01:13:47.000 I've never used it.

01:13:49.000 You go into an emergency room in most places across the country and you'll say, hey, my 12-year-old is paralyzed from the waist down.

01:13:58.000 50% chance that they'll say, was he just vaccinated?

01:14:02.000 They know.

01:14:03.000 They'll say it.

01:14:05.000 The people on the front lines almost instantaneously will say it.

01:14:08.000 I could say that from firsthand experience.

01:14:10.000 Well, and now we have this all these hospital staffing issues, and they're trying to pretend like it's because of the unvaccinated, but the truth is there are a lot of unvaccinated frontline healthcare workers.

01:14:20.000 I get contacted all the time by PAs, nurses, doctors who say, I can't take this because I've seen the impact of this in my emergency room.

01:14:27.000 So I want to read something from you guys, for you guys.

01:14:29.000 I need to find the statistic, and I'll have you answer it while I'm finding it because it's really important.

01:14:34.000 And we've had a couple people email it to us, and they don't know how to respond.

01:14:38.000 And it's from the New York Times, and it's a chart.

01:14:41.000 And it shows unvaccinated people die at this rate, and vaccinated people die at this rate.

01:14:46.000 Essentially, saying unvaccinated people are XYZ more likely to die of the virus than unvaccinated people.

01:14:54.000 You've heard this before.

01:14:54.000 I'll get the exact numbers.

01:14:56.000 How do you respond to that?

01:14:58.000 Well, what I would respond is you would have to trust the U.S. data to believe that that's a valid conclusion.

01:15:06.000 And there's no evidence that you should trust it.

01:15:09.000 First of all, they're not sharing that data.

01:15:11.000 We do not get granular data state by state or hospital data.

01:15:15.000 Chris, like you had mentioned, I think the only state that made the mistake of actually openly sharing their public health data was Oklahoma at one point.

01:15:23.000 So you got to put the U.S. to the side.

01:15:26.000 And I've already given examples of lies and a lot of malfeasance, right?

01:15:31.000 So again, what would a vaccine company want you to believe?

01:15:36.000 They would want you to believe that the efficacy of this vaccine is so high, it'll prevent you from dying from COVID.

01:15:42.000 And they would only want to talk about COVID.

01:15:44.000 They wouldn't want to talk about all-cause mortality.

01:15:46.000 If you look outside this country to other countries that do openly share on sometimes a week-by-week basis, the proportions of people in the hospital that are vaccinated in the ICUs, that's not the conclusion that that public health data shows.

01:16:02.000 That public health data actually shows that there's a higher proportion of vaccinated in the hospital in those areas.

01:16:10.000 And so the discord, why Americans don't, you know, why Americans somehow get so protected from COVID vaccines when others don't, that's the question that should be asked.

01:16:22.000 Why is that graph in the New York Times when it doesn't comport with any other country that's sharing that data?

01:16:28.000 Yeah, so this, I mean, this is not a satisfying answer, but literally every time I've dug into U.S. data, it's just a nightmare.

01:16:35.000 It's wrong.

01:16:36.000 It's methodologically flawed.

01:16:37.000 It's collected badly.

01:16:39.000 The truth is, we haven't been collecting good data all the way through, whether it was vitamin D serum level, so we could have detected that signal early on, or now the vaccine data, there is no interest in collecting that data, none about what's going on.

01:16:51.000 And so another anomaly, my memory is being jogged now.

01:16:55.000 So remember way back when, when suddenly this rule came out of one of the captured agencies that don't test vaccinated patients anymore?

01:17:04.000 Remember that, Chris?

01:17:05.000 When they decided, like, the vaccines were so protective.

01:17:08.000 Don't waste the test on them.

01:17:10.000 Why would you test someone with clear symptoms of COVID?

01:17:12.000 Is this the test that just a month ago, the CDC said, oh, it doesn't work.

01:17:15.000 Let's just slide that out of here.

01:17:18.000 Oh, yeah, there's that one too.

01:17:19.000 But literally, you know, when you see a policy like that, so wait, we're not going to test vaccinated.

01:17:27.000 So two answers.

01:17:28.000 One, because there's no point because they're so fully protected.

01:17:32.000 Or the only other possible explanation for a policy like that is you don't want to know.

01:17:36.000 So you don't want to collect that data.

01:17:38.000 So let me answer this.

01:17:40.000 This is somewhat anecdotal, but it's good data.

01:17:42.000 So they said so far there's like around 800 children have died from COVID, right?

01:17:46.000 So somebody sent me the data and they said, well, in the Wonder system, I can pull down 137 records where I can see the records for the children that died.

01:17:54.000 So this is 17 and under.

01:17:56.000 Two 17-year-olds died of fentanyl overdoses.

01:17:58.000 They were recorded as COVID deaths and they were recorded as unvaccinated.

01:18:02.000 So they went down as unvaccinated COVID deaths, but they fentanyl overdosed.

01:18:06.000 There were children born with cords wrapped around their neck, stillbirths.

01:18:09.000 They came out as COVID deaths.

01:18:11.000 They had an in utero COVID death, which they recorded because mom died of something else and she was anyway.

01:18:17.000 Out of all 137 cases, they were congenital malformations.

01:18:20.000 There were all sorts of like really serious underlying things that unfortunately happened.

01:18:24.000 And 100% of them recorded as COVID deaths and 100% of them were a side of COVID at best, but possibly fraudulent reporting at worst.

01:18:32.000 We don't know whether or not George Floyd was counted as a COVID death.

01:18:34.000 And that's not a joke.

01:18:36.000 He was tested positive for COVID.

01:18:38.000 So you see that.

01:18:39.000 Obviously, he didn't die from COVID.

01:18:40.000 No, the dying with versus dying of, but now we're seeing the great rewind of Unwind of the Narrative, right?

01:18:46.000 Vauci came out to lecture the nation on the difference for children of being in the hospital with versus because of.

01:18:51.000 Now he's coming out and doing that.

01:18:53.000 You want to know a fun fact?

01:18:54.000 This is a little bit off topic, but you brought it up.

01:18:57.000 But in the middle of this war that I've been fighting for COVID, you know, I'm well known in my specialty, and I sometimes do legal case reviews.

01:19:06.000 I do expert testimonies on malpractice cases.

01:19:08.000 And I actually was the expert witness for George Floyd's civil case.

01:19:13.000 In the middle of all this, I still remember the day I got the call.

01:19:17.000 A firm wanted to talk to me.

01:19:18.000 They wanted to make sure I could keep this confidential.

01:19:20.000 And I was hired and I did a 12-page report where I had to, I actually had to describe in excruciating detail every physiologic event and the chain of it that was happening in those videos.

01:19:34.000 And I had to debunk all of these dumb arguments that he didn't die a result of essentially asphyxiation.

01:19:41.000 And you brought, I don't know, you brought it up and you brought back a memory, but it was one of the many devastating things that I've had to see and witness and live through in this.

01:19:51.000 No, I only mention it because you know that there were articles that came out that showed that he was COVID positive.

01:19:56.000 Right.

01:19:56.000 And they were, yeah.

01:19:57.000 I'm just saying that would be a dying.

01:19:59.000 No, I agree with you.

01:20:01.000 And I think your point was well made.

01:20:01.000 I agree with you.

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 It's memorable for people.

01:20:03.000 For sure.

01:20:05.000 You see how he died?

01:20:06.000 And like, yeah.

01:20:07.000 I'm just saying it was clearly gone down as a COVID thing.

01:20:09.000 It was the most high-profile death of 2020.

01:20:12.000 And so that just, it just goes to show how that could potentially be blurred.

01:20:12.000 No question.

01:20:16.000 So I want to ask you a question.

01:20:18.000 You said some countries are doing well.

01:20:20.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 So, I mean, there are success stories across the globe.

01:20:23.000 And again, I mean, I want to try to be positive.

01:20:27.000 I can't.

01:20:28.000 I can't.

01:20:28.000 You can't live through this literal takeover by a global pharmaceutical industry.

01:20:35.000 There's not a lot of positive I can say.

01:20:37.000 But here's the, I'm going to give a positive part and then I'm going to tell you the nefarious part.

01:20:41.000 So the most shining example of an unmitigated success is a state in northern India called Uttar Pradesh.

01:20:48.000 Right.

01:20:49.000 So people have heard that.

01:20:50.000 So I've heard, can I interrupt?

01:20:51.000 I don't mean to.

01:20:52.000 I've had fact checkers, scientists, experts, Facebook, you know, 23-year-old spoiled brats who just graduated from UC Berkeley tell me that's a conspiracy theory.

01:21:02.000 It's not true.

01:21:03.000 It's a third world country.

01:21:05.000 We can't treat it.

01:21:06.000 Okay.

01:21:07.000 We can't treat it, take it seriously.

01:21:08.000 But please tell me.

01:21:09.000 And I just want to say that's fair.

01:21:11.000 That's fair.

01:21:12.000 So what I would invite all those people to say is, okay, then please provide me the explanation for why publicly available, widely commended and recognized data that in that state, they essentially eradicated COVID.

01:21:31.000 Okay.

01:21:32.000 So if it's a conspiracy that it's ivermectin, give me what else it could have been.

01:21:38.000 Vaccines?

01:21:39.000 No, absolutely not.

01:21:42.000 At the time when they were recording these ridiculously low positivity rates, such that they couldn't find active cases in most of the state, the rates were so.

01:21:51.000 70 million people, by the way.

01:21:53.000 This is not Cincinnati.

01:21:54.000 Between 5 and 16% were vaccines.

01:21:57.000 So vaccines, X.

01:21:58.000 I mean, you could go down what we call the differential.

01:22:00.000 I think it's a control state right next door in Kerala, right? 0.88

01:22:03.000 And which purposely outlawed the use of ivermectin and they had curves like that. 1.00

01:22:08.000 But if you look at Uttar Pradesh, I do have to talk about it because I think it is one of history's greatest public health achievements.

01:22:18.000 And in a different time, in a different world that wasn't so controlled and corrupt, that would have been front page news around the world.

01:22:28.000 And because what they achieved is nothing short of remarkable.

01:22:33.000 What they did is they used a force of 70,000-plus healthcare workers that they sent across the state, 97,000 villages.

01:22:42.000 They had rapid antigen testing, and they did tight contact tracing, quarantining, and early treatment and prophylaxis.

01:22:51.000 And those components are all described.

01:22:53.000 And, well, it depends what you read because sometimes it's some of the components are buried.

01:22:57.000 But that's a complex conspiracy theory you have in there.

01:23:00.000 So here's my question about this.

01:23:02.000 And I'm by no means an expert.

01:23:04.000 Why is it then they didn't spread it to other states?

01:23:06.000 Because that's only about 27% of the population in India.

01:23:09.000 It's about a billion people in India, more or less.

01:23:11.000 And why hasn't Modi done a better job of telling the story internationally?

01:23:16.000 Yeah, the likely answer to that is: well, let me finish by saying this.

01:23:22.000 At the end result of that effort, phenomenal effort, and really the mainstay, the core that they did, because a lot of people have been doing quarantine and contact tracing and all of that.

01:23:32.000 But really, they treated everyone early with ivermectin and they gave household members ivermectin and all the healthcare workers were on ivermectin.

01:23:39.000 And we have the documents from showing that that's actually what was in the kits and what they were doing.

01:23:45.000 And around late August to September of 2021, they had a period where they did two and a half million tests with only 200 positives, which is a 0.007% positivity rate, which is effectively zero.

01:23:59.000 They had 67 out of 75 districts in the state without one active case.

01:24:04.000 That would be like the U.S. having like 40 states without an active case of COVID.

01:24:10.000 So what they achieved in a state where they did massive testing is almost like it should give you like almost tingles down your arms because it's such a phenomenal public health achievement.

01:24:23.000 Here's the thing.

01:24:24.000 You ask, like, why isn't it across the state?

01:24:26.000 So why didn't go to Delhi or Bangalore?

01:24:28.000 I don't know that I'm going to answer why.

01:24:30.000 I'm just going to give you two other data points.

01:24:33.000 When the health ministry leaders were sharing that data and the data was becoming public, the two major newspapers in India, one was called India Today, and I think the other one's Hindustan Times.

01:24:48.000 They covered it with a big headline, The Success of Uttar Pradesh.

01:24:53.000 And in that article, they talked about what a great job they did and how the WHO had complimented them for their efforts and the contact tracing and quarantining.

01:25:03.000 There was one word that was not present in either article.

01:25:06.000 Ivermectin.

01:25:07.000 Ivermectin.

01:25:09.000 The WHO even wrote a little bulletin that they put up on one of their websites commending the success of Uttar Pradesh.

01:25:16.000 Ivermectin was not mentioned.

01:25:17.000 There's one bare little mention of a treatment kit that they also distributed treatment kits.

01:25:23.000 So even the WHO in one of their bulletins said that they distributed treatment kits.

01:25:28.000 Anyone who's reading even modestly carefully would be like, oh, treatment kit.

01:25:33.000 Well, I wonder what's in that kit.

01:25:34.000 I mentioned it because, you know, we've been on this on this Uttar Pradesh kick for four or five months now when it first got, you know, publicized.

01:25:41.000 And I've been, I keep on learning and I keep on getting more cynical, unfortunately, just in this one space.

01:25:47.000 I think, all right, this is it.

01:25:48.000 270 million people.

01:25:50.000 Can't ignore that.

01:25:51.000 You know, one of the poorest countries on the planet.

01:25:53.000 Yep.

01:25:54.000 They have estimated in Uttar Pradesh 40 to 50 million people without toilets, let alone IV therapy, right?

01:26:00.000 They don't have toilets.

01:26:02.000 You would think this would probably be the place that the world leaders say, okay, maybe we can learn something.

01:26:07.000 The opposite.

01:26:08.000 No, because it's all part of the same play, right?

01:26:11.000 It's suppressing information of efficacy.

01:26:13.000 So the fact that those major newspapers, you know, any journalist worth their salt would have mentioned, and it's so willfully removed from the report.

01:26:24.000 And also, and India is also quite corrupt. 0.88

01:26:27.000 So they invented it.

01:26:29.000 I'm not pointing fingers because we live in the United States.

01:26:32.000 But here's the other thing.

01:26:33.000 I could do like a quick rundown of other Uttar Pradesh type programs.

01:26:38.000 So Mexico City, winter of 2020, same thing.

01:26:42.000 A band of, I would call them renegade public health officials, which I, they're from what's called the IMSS, which is sort of like the Mexico Social Security System group, which other governs a lot of their healthcare system.

01:26:55.000 They decided that because Mexico is so badly hit at that time, they instituted 250 mobile testing centers to the hardest hit areas and they put out around 54,000 treatment kits and they collected the data on hospitalization.

01:27:11.000 And any which way they did it, if they compared it before the program to after or during the program, who got the kit and who didn't, you saw anywhere from 65 to 75% reduction in the rate of hospitalization.

01:27:24.000 I mean, a phenomenal result.

01:27:25.000 They essentially emptied the hospitals over months.

01:27:28.000 That's Mexico City.

01:27:29.000 Two other states in Argentina, La Misiones and La Pampa, same thing.

01:27:34.000 Smaller programs, carefully collected data, even on side effect data, because they used actually pretty high doses in those programs.

01:27:41.000 Very safe, highly effective.

01:27:44.000 One state had 88% reduction in death when they used ivermectin.

01:27:48.000 And I could go on and on.

01:27:49.000 The last thing that I want to tell you about is our colleagues in Brazil just put up on a preprint server about a week ago, and we covered it in one of my organization's weekly webinars.

01:28:00.000 But it's the largest study on ivermectin to date.

01:28:03.000 And it's a ridiculously carefully done study because it happened in a city of Brazil called Itajay, which is of German descent.

01:28:10.000 They pride themselves on technologically, they're completely automated as far as their health informatics.

01:28:16.000 They have very good computer systems.

01:28:18.000 And they did a program where they offered the city's inhabitants the opportunity to take ivermectin.

01:28:24.000 This is back in June of 2020 to December.

01:28:27.000 And of the 188,000 that showed up to be enrolled in the program, about 130,000 decided to take the medicine two days at the beginning of the month, two days in the middle of the month.

01:28:40.000 And they followed, they were able to look at all of this data, and all of the data is complete because they had it so that the data collection instruments had to be fully filled out.

01:28:49.000 So there's no missing data.

01:28:50.000 So it's remarkable what they achieved.

01:28:52.000 And what they showed was a massive reduction in the chance of getting COVID, even larger reduction in the chance of going to the hospital with COVID, and even larger reduction in the chance of dying with COVID-somewhere around between 60 and 70% reductions in hospitalization and death.

01:29:13.000 Dose response.

01:29:14.000 Yes.

01:29:15.000 Oh, that's the other beautiful thing.

01:29:16.000 We got a dose response.

01:29:17.000 But hold on.

01:29:17.000 The one thing I want to say is when I talk about that trial, you're talking about 180,000 full records of patients who did and didn't take ivermectin.

01:29:26.000 No, that's the other thing is everybody on ivermectin were fat or sick or older.

01:29:31.000 They had more diabetes, more cardiovascular disease.

01:29:34.000 They were heavier and they were older.

01:29:36.000 And even if you don't match for severity, they outperformed the younger, healthier group that didn't take it.

01:29:43.000 So it was a phenomenal result.

01:29:44.000 The other thing that's so bizarre is that although they had this prevention program, they weren't treating the patients with ivermectin.

01:29:52.000 Once they got sick, they went into this bizarre supportive care only strategy, which a lot of this country was doing at that time, which is don't treat this thing, just do supportive care and wait for the randomized control trials.

01:30:05.000 And so they weren't even treating with ivermectin.

01:30:07.000 So I would argue that that study in Itajay is the minimum of what ivermectin is capable of because they weren't even using it in treatment.

01:30:16.000 They were just using it in prevention.

01:30:18.000 And as Chris just pointed out, when they look at those who were taking the medicines, they were actually able to log like who was picking up the pills, how much they took.

01:30:26.000 So who was that they compared non-users to sometimes users to regular users?

01:30:31.000 And like Chris, a dose response is a phenomenal finding in science, especially when you're studying the therapeutic.

01:30:37.000 It's another pillar of evidence that something works.

01:30:39.000 And they saw the same thing that the more regularly you used it, the better your outcomes were.

01:30:44.000 And it was clearly statistically significantly different from the irregular users to the regular users.

01:30:50.000 You want to know the downside to all this, though?

01:30:52.000 Yeah.

01:30:52.000 Good friend of mine is an ER doc and he was on ivermectin prophylaxis for a while and then he said, you know what?

01:30:57.000 Now that Omicron's here, he just, he wants it over with.

01:30:59.000 He'd like to get it.

01:31:00.000 And he's been trying.

01:31:01.000 I've taken off his face shield.

01:31:03.000 He's telling people to cough on him.

01:31:05.000 He's like, literally, he's like been trying hard.

01:31:07.000 He's like, when is this stuff going to wear off?

01:31:10.000 But now, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't, you know, I want to be open and honest and say I evolve with the data.

01:31:15.000 So that was the data of, you know, Alpha, I guess, because that was actually before Gamma in Brazil.

01:31:21.000 And it showed phenomenal protection.

01:31:23.000 You know, we move with the data.

01:31:25.000 That's what we always claim to do.

01:31:27.000 I'm not sure how protective ivermectin is from getting the disease anymore because Omicron is just so wicked.

01:31:34.000 I think there's a lot of breakthroughs.

01:31:36.000 I've seen a lot of breakthroughs.

01:31:37.000 So its prevention and also the way Omicron enters the cell and infects the cell is a little bit different than the prior variant.

01:31:43.000 So it's probably not performing as well as in that study.

01:31:48.000 However, the same principles apply.

01:31:50.000 Even those who got COVID when they were on prevention, the breakthroughs, they just went to the hospital and died less.

01:31:56.000 So it still would ensure an easier course and a kinder course.

01:32:01.000 So Rochelle Walensky said unvaccinated people are 20 times more likely to get the virus, 17 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 10 times more likely to die.

01:32:11.000 Lies. 0.99

01:32:13.000 You say they're lies?

01:32:14.000 Lies. 0.99

01:32:16.000 Or old data.

01:32:17.000 At best, old data.

01:32:18.000 I mean, the data right now on Omicron, Chris, we're seeing way more, the cases are higher in the vaccinated in a number of countries.

01:32:26.000 Well, the cases are.

01:32:28.000 So the data here in this country is really, really bad.

01:32:33.000 So let me tie up a loose end because I want to go back to the past.

01:32:35.000 Richest country ever, and we have the worst data.

01:32:36.000 No, I have third world envy all this year.

01:32:39.000 Uttar Pradesh.

01:32:40.000 I'm like, literally, I mean, that would be a great place to go.

01:32:43.000 Have you seen our internet?

01:32:44.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:45.000 Isn't it funny?

01:32:45.000 It's because of our wealth.

01:32:46.000 Actually, it's probably bad.

01:32:48.000 Right.

01:32:49.000 So let's, I want to connect this dot back.

01:32:51.000 So I think it makes sense for certain individuals to get even these vaccines.

01:32:56.000 I'm not a fan of these vaccines, but it can make sense on a certain risk-adjusted basis.

01:33:00.000 You're above 75 and you've got certain morbidities.

01:33:02.000 It could make sense.

01:33:03.000 It gets a little gray down below.

01:33:04.000 Listen, that's between you and your doctor, your own risk profile.

01:33:08.000 But if you're a public health official, if you're Rochelle Walensky, if you're a Fauci, if you're one of these people, you're going to get scored on one metric and one metric only, which is all cause mortality.

01:33:18.000 That's what I wanted to ask you.

01:33:19.000 We got to go there because if they were doing their jobs right, we would have seen fewer deaths in 2021 than we saw in 2020.

01:33:25.000 So what do I mean by public health?

01:33:26.000 Public health is the totality of all your efforts.

01:33:28.000 I'm going to lock you down.

01:33:30.000 I'm going to make you wear masks.

01:33:31.000 I'm going to take away your right to earn a living. 0.95

01:33:33.000 I'm going to shut your small business down.

01:33:34.000 I'm going to do these things in the interest of public health.

01:33:37.000 And the way I get scored is on balance, morbidity, how sick people are, and mortality.

01:33:42.000 Those should be lower because I'm doing a good job.

01:33:45.000 Well, in 2021, we saw all cause mortality higher.

01:33:48.000 Not just higher, but it's higher in these age groups that make me sick to my stomach.

01:33:52.000 12 to 44-year-olds, they had 45% higher all-cause mortality in 2021.

01:33:58.000 That's horrifying.

01:34:00.000 Charlie, did you see the life insurance data from last week?

01:34:04.000 So this was the thing where, like, I actually think, so this Walensky statement that you just said, you know, I like how Chris has said, you know what?

01:34:14.000 Let me be kind, and it's hard for me to be kind.

01:34:16.000 Let's just say that she's correct in that you're going to fare worse from COVID if you're unvaccinated. 1.00

01:34:22.000 The point is Chris making is if you only, that's what they want you to do.

01:34:26.000 They only want you to focus on the supposed beneficial impacts on, because I don't trust the data either, but let's give it to her.

01:34:34.000 Let's say, fine, your chances of dying from COVID-19.

01:34:37.000 But what are your chances of dying from everything?

01:34:39.000 So, if the vaccines are actually a public health benefit, those that are vaccinated are going to fare better in terms of health and longevity.

01:34:48.000 The data in 2021 actually shows in a number of papers that all-cause mortality has increased in the vaccinated.

01:34:57.000 They're not dying from COVID necessarily more, but they're dying from other causes.

01:35:01.000 And what are those other causes?

01:35:02.000 And the most alarming was a life insurance executive was interviewed at a paper, an online paper in Indiana called Center Square, I think.

01:35:14.000 Yep.

01:35:14.000 That's it.

01:35:14.000 Yeah, Center Square.

01:35:16.000 And this life insurance company said they put out in a report, and I guess someone did a follow-up article, but basically, for 18 to 64-year-olds, this is a $100 billion life insurance company that they saw a 40% increase, which is four times what they would consider like a large catastrophic event.

01:35:35.000 They saw a 40% increase in all-cause mortality.

01:35:40.000 And it could not be explained by COVID deaths because the claims.

01:35:44.000 This is seismic.

01:35:45.000 They said this is like what, five standard deviations off five standard deviations.

01:35:49.000 They would know.

01:35:50.000 Oh, that's all they do.

01:35:52.000 That's all they do.

01:35:53.000 They have data there.

01:35:54.000 And they know their numbers and they know their statistics and they know their graphs.

01:35:57.000 I have not heard this.

01:35:58.000 And here's the kicker.

01:36:00.000 So it was such an alarming report because finally, now you're not because that's why I don't want to talk about that data from the CDC.

01:36:07.000 You want to talk about the data where it matters.

01:36:09.000 And why would a life insurance company want to talk about alarming data?

01:36:13.000 The fact that they're paying out way more, 40% more claims than they've typically had.

01:36:18.000 But to be fair, the CEO, he genuflected at the vaccine altar and said, so we're going to raise rates in areas with high unvaccination rates, right?

01:36:25.000 Oh, it did.

01:36:26.000 I didn't catch that.

01:36:27.000 Oh, but he didn't parse the data out and say we can show this.

01:36:27.000 Yeah, he did.

01:36:31.000 But wait, here's the kicker, though, Chris.

01:36:33.000 I don't know if you know this.

01:36:34.000 The regime would clamp down.

01:36:35.000 A really excellent journalist who's done a lot of work around early treatment.

01:36:40.000 She was big following the Ivermectin story for a long time.

01:36:43.000 Her name's Mary Beth Pfeiffer.

01:36:45.000 And she writes for a substack called Rescue.

01:36:48.000 And she actually wrote to this life insurance company to follow up on this article.

01:36:54.000 She said, I'm an investigative journalist, and I found this very interesting report.

01:36:57.000 And she followed up.

01:36:58.000 And they actually replied, not only with more data, but rather quickly.

01:37:03.000 And she actually contacted me.

01:37:05.000 She said, I can't believe this.

01:37:06.000 Like in her investigative journalism, usually when she does follow-ups on stories, they're not like, Glad you asked.

01:37:12.000 Here's more data.

01:37:14.000 And literally, she said, Look at this.

01:37:15.000 And what they sent was a graph from the CDC, which showed three lines.

01:37:22.000 It was the all-cause mortality in 1864-year-olds.

01:37:25.000 It was a green line, which was 2019, and it was like this.

01:37:28.000 Then there was a black line, which was 2021, where it had a rise and then a little bit of a fall towards the end.

01:37:35.000 And then, or I'm sorry, that was 2019.

01:37:38.000 And then 2021, you saw a little rise.

01:37:42.000 And then at quarter two, exactly a quarter two of 2021, you start to see a rise.

01:37:48.000 And it's risen ever since quarter two of 2021.

01:37:53.000 And that's what hit 40% higher in all those groups.

01:37:58.000 And it can't be explained by COVID.

01:38:01.000 Most of the deaths were not claimed as COVID.

01:38:04.000 And as a similar rise with those deaths, is they were reporting record claims of disabilities that they've never seen before.

01:38:12.000 So they're literally a life insurance company is now reporting record life insurance payouts as well as disability.

01:38:21.000 So, if you ask about whether this is a benefit to the public, if you ask your friendly life insurance company, they would say something's funny here.

01:38:29.000 There's something driving.

01:38:30.000 And that's the German data, too.

01:38:32.000 They did correlation between vaccine status and all-cars mortality and found a high correlation.

01:38:37.000 It was pretty high.

01:38:38.000 So, it's positive.

01:38:39.000 And the conclusion from that is, listen, whatever the so we know that I think the last date I heard was something horrifying, like 100,000 people died from opiate overdoses.

01:38:49.000 That's correct.

01:38:49.000 100,000 plus.

01:38:50.000 Yeah.

01:38:51.000 Drug overdoses.

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:52.000 Highest number ever.

01:38:53.000 So on balance, whatever we're doing as a nation, it's a fail.

01:38:57.000 It's just big fat F, right?

01:38:59.000 And that's what we should be down on.

01:39:00.000 So you raised a really important point: this over focus.

01:39:03.000 Rochelle might be right if we focus down, but they've been trying to keep our gaze just down on this one thing around.

01:39:10.000 And the easiest way I review this is: okay, 20 times more likely to get it, 17 times more likely, 10 times more likely to die.

01:39:18.000 Show me two people vaccinated, unvaccinated with high intervention, early treatment.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, and then show me those vaccines.

01:39:23.000 Thank you.

01:39:24.000 We don't know about that.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, that's where this whole thing just, you lose me immediately.

01:39:27.000 That's why even I make this mistake of constantly talking about unvaccinated, vaccinated, when it's like, really, it's about untreated and treated.

01:39:34.000 The data that I just showed you from around the world, all of those early treatments.

01:39:37.000 Should have been the original Pfizer trial, right?

01:39:39.000 So first, they give us relative risk reduction rather than absolute risk reduction, but they should have said, here's your placebo should have been in early treatment people compared to the vaccine.

01:39:50.000 And if you can beat that, I think you got something.

01:39:52.000 Let me read this really quick.

01:39:53.000 Similar topic, but I want to make sure I get the numbers right.

01:39:55.000 CDC has stated 6% of all COVID cases died only from COVID with no comorbidities.

01:40:02.000 Dr. Scott Atlas on Tucker has said the other night that two-thirds of all COVID deaths had at least six comorbidities.

01:40:09.000 Six.

01:40:11.000 We now know from a document from Project Veritas that Major Joe Murphy and the DARPA document, page four, wrote that ivermectin works throughout all phases of the illness because it both inhibits virplication and modulates the immune responses, things that you've been talking about.

01:40:26.000 This document was hidden in a secret folder.

01:40:29.000 Does that make either of you think that they've known that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine works this entire time from the top levels?

01:40:36.000 And are we witnessing a cover-up?

01:40:38.000 Well, we know that hydroxychloroquine was actually in an NIH paper around original SARS.

01:40:43.000 So classic SARS comes out in 2002 and 3.

01:40:45.000 By 2005, there was a paper out from NIH researchers saying hydroxychloroquine is an effective potent inhibitor of this, at least in an in vitro setting and also a mouse model, I believe.

01:40:55.000 So they knew that.

01:40:56.000 They knew that early on.

01:40:57.000 And if you look at the, so I call this repurposed drug war.

01:41:02.000 So this PR campaign on ivermectin, the war on ivermectin in 2021, if you know, the fact that they waged that war in 2020 through these fraudulent research studies, fraudulent papers, mentions, you know, the YouTube, you couldn't talk about it anymore.

01:41:19.000 That can be explained by the fact.

01:41:22.000 In fact, it's best explained by the fact they knew it worked.

01:41:26.000 They knew it worked.

01:41:27.000 It was even worse, though.

01:41:29.000 The reason I read that word for word, and I try not to do that is.

01:41:33.000 That's why they want to keep the market open for the Molnu Pierrovir and the Pax Sloven, which just came rushing out in the fall, right?

01:41:40.000 Press releases started coming out.

01:41:41.000 You started to see newspaper menu.

01:41:43.000 Stock prices increase.

01:41:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:45.000 And so they want that to be the standard of care.

01:41:47.000 And, you know, the other thing I want to say, Charlie, is that, you know, for those of us, and like you, you know, that naivete comment that Chris made before, like, I cannot, I cannot be cynical enough.

01:42:00.000 I mean, every time I'm more cynical, I find I'm still being naive about stuff.

01:42:03.000 But if you wonder, could they, would they really do that?

01:42:07.000 Would they really suppress evidence of efficacy of a cheap, widely available drug when, you know, hundreds of thousands of Americans are dying?

01:42:16.000 What about that together trial, though?

01:42:18.000 What about that?

01:42:19.000 Yeah.

01:42:19.000 Right?

01:42:20.000 So they, first off, they run this fraudulent trial in Surgisphere and it goes in the Lancet and it turns out it's complete bunk, right? 0.90

01:42:27.000 It's just absolute fraud.

01:42:30.000 And then they put together the Together trial, supposed to be the gold standard.

01:42:33.000 They run it in the UK, and these doctors decide that they're going to dose people with hydroxychloroquine.

01:42:37.000 So A, they give it to them in hospital, so it's late, as we've discussed, right?

01:42:41.000 You want to give that early, not when they're on ventilators.

01:42:43.000 And they gave them, Charlie, they gave them 2,400 milligrams of hydroxychloroquine.

01:42:48.000 It's that low, high, right at the level of toxicity.

01:42:54.000 And then 800 milligrams daily thereafter.

01:42:57.000 So they were giving whole grams of this stuff to already very sick people and then said, oh, look, they're dying.

01:43:03.000 And then literally they use that to fuel this horrific reluctance and aversion to using hydroxychloroquine.

01:43:13.000 But that war, that war that they wage, when you ask yourself, how rapacious could a company in an industry be by allowing hundreds of thousands of Americans to die when there was actually an effective treatment that they could have recommended?

01:43:30.000 It's nothing new, doctor.

01:43:31.000 Right.

01:43:31.000 That's what I was about to say next.

01:43:33.000 Exactly what you just said: is that you look at the track record, not track record, criminal record of the pharmaceutical industry.

01:43:41.000 They have done this repeatedly.

01:43:43.000 They do not care about the loss of life.

01:43:45.000 You look at drugs like Avandia, 60,000 people died of heart attacks.

01:43:49.000 The drugs like Viox and Bextra, and like you just mentioned, we are still in the throes of an opioid epidemic with over 200 or I don't even know.

01:43:58.000 Did you guys say 100,000 this year?

01:44:00.000 100,000 last year.

01:44:01.000 In one year.

01:44:02.000 One year.

01:44:03.000 So the numbers of the opioid epidemic.

01:44:05.000 And a lot of those are probably counted as COVID deaths.

01:44:07.000 And I'm not being facetious.

01:44:08.000 I mean, who knows?

01:44:08.000 Even might be right.

01:44:09.000 But so the rapaciousness of that industry, the patient and their welfare has never been a factor.

01:44:18.000 Profit, and I shouldn't say never, because last century's pharmaceutical companies actually were capable of doing some pretty cool stuff.

01:44:26.000 You know, like what Mark did with ivermectin back in the day.

01:44:28.000 They literally offered it to the world for free and they transformed the health status of large portions of the world.

01:44:34.000 I think that was cool.

01:44:35.000 That was, yeah, right.

01:44:36.000 I think Bayer did a good job with that.

01:44:37.000 Exactly.

01:44:38.000 So it helps with COVID too.

01:44:40.000 And so, but nowadays, you know, the last 20 years, if you look at the last 20 civil settlements that have been paid out by the pharmaceutical industry, it's 13 billion in civil penalties and 6 billion in criminal penalties.

01:44:40.000 No question.

01:44:52.000 That does not include the Sacklers because that hasn't been adjudicated yet.

01:44:57.000 I wrote it down, but what I said, it's been happening.

01:44:59.000 It's outside of just the pharmaceutical industry.

01:45:01.000 There have always been people that have rationalized death for profit.

01:45:07.000 I mean, from Roundup is a great example, right?

01:45:09.000 I mean, they knew their product was hurting women that were gardening and they were inhaling this chemical that would cause brain tumors and those settlements are ongoing.

01:45:20.000 Tobacco, another great example, kind of one that is the third rail, but alcohol.

01:45:24.000 The alcohol industry kills a lot of people every single year.

01:45:27.000 And people say, well, it's, you know, people, you know, use it.

01:45:30.000 It's their own agency.

01:45:31.000 They spend hundreds of millions of dollars on alcohol-based propaganda every single year to try to normalize it and to try to get it into movies and music and so on and so forth.

01:45:41.000 So, yeah, it is, it shouldn't shock people is what we're trying to get at, though, is that this idea of kind of hurting people for profit.

01:45:53.000 Can people be that dark? 0.92

01:45:54.000 Yeah, they're that dark all the time.

01:45:55.000 I encourage people to look at the investigative book this one guy did in the Sackler family.

01:46:00.000 I can't remember his name.

01:46:01.000 He's unbelievably brilliant.

01:46:03.000 And yeah, I mean, Sacklers knew what they were doing.

01:46:05.000 They flooded the market with opioids and oxycontin, right?

01:46:09.000 Oxycotin, right?

01:46:11.000 And I always ask people because they say, well, the pharmacists, they're always kind of a check and balance.

01:46:16.000 Say, how many pharmacists decided not to write the scripts of OxyContin?

01:46:21.000 How many intervened on ivermectin?

01:46:23.000 Well, they suddenly got a lot of you're going to like this.

01:46:27.000 So, there's an attorney general in Louisiana.

01:46:29.000 So, that actually, oh, you know him.

01:46:33.000 Okay, so he had the most brilliant quote.

01:46:34.000 So, I want to use that quote.

01:46:35.000 But, you know, at that time where the CDC did that corruption action and tried to scare all the state departments of health and pharmacy boards, the Louisiana Pharmacy Board did the same and put out some threatening post page on their website telling the pharmacist to shy away and don't fill prescriptions.

01:46:53.000 And he went after them.

01:46:54.000 He said, you guys are practicing medicine without a license.

01:46:56.000 And he wrote a very sharp reported opinion.

01:46:58.000 And in one of his arguments, he said, he said, you're telling me that pharmacists just found a conscience after handing out opiates like M ⁇ Ms for the last decade?

01:47:07.000 With presidential money.

01:47:08.000 Absolutely.

01:47:09.000 Just come in by the truckload.

01:47:11.000 We'll give them whatever they want.

01:47:12.000 Okay, I want to ask a couple other questions kind of around some of these topics.

01:47:16.000 We're going to jump around a little bit.

01:47:18.000 And I have some notes of some things that you guys mentioned that I wanted to follow up on.

01:47:22.000 And feel free to take it on things that you want to make sure you mention.

01:47:25.000 Here's one in particular, though, that is really important, which is, do you guys see any evidence at all whatsoever?

01:47:32.000 And I want to start with you, Dr. Mortensen, which is around or link between infertility and the vaccine or any sort of disturbing trends in that regard.

01:47:45.000 Absolutely.

01:47:46.000 So one of the things, so I got two YouTube strikes.

01:47:50.000 One was when I ran his Senate testimony.

01:47:53.000 And so that got taken down.

01:47:54.000 I got a YouTube strike for that.

01:47:56.000 And the second one was when I pointed out that the yellow card system in the UK had shown 30,000 women had reported reproductive cycle issues, right?

01:48:04.000 Their menstrual cycles were thrown off.

01:48:06.000 They were having ultra-heavy bleeding, clotting, cramping, all kinds of stuff.

01:48:10.000 And there's 30,000 reports.

01:48:11.000 And so what I noted was I went back to the Pfizer safety data, which they had put out as part of their application.

01:48:17.000 And I said, of all the side effects they possibly list, which is part of informed consent, they didn't even mention something that was striking so many women, you couldn't have missed it.

01:48:25.000 So I pointed that out, and then I got a strike for that because I was, you know, medical misinformation.

01:48:30.000 Now it's getting more widely known and women are writing about it.

01:48:33.000 There was a big reason article that I think broke that open a little bit.

01:48:36.000 But now it's whenever I post that and I say, hey, look, here's this thing.

01:48:40.000 Women's reproductive cycles are messed up. 1.00

01:48:42.000 By definition, that's a fertility issue. 1.00

01:48:45.000 When you put that up, women just start pouring in with their personal anecdotes around this. 1.00

01:48:49.000 And it's just, it's a thing, right?

01:48:51.000 And it's huge.

01:48:52.000 One of the, I was listening to a talk by an expert in obstetrics and gynecology.

01:49:00.000 And one of her statements always kind of stuck with me.

01:49:02.000 She said that, you know, a normal menstrual cycle is literally one of the signals of health of a woman. 0.75

01:49:09.000 And so when you have abnormalities in the menstrual cycles, I mean, it's indicative of a real disturbance to their health.

01:49:17.000 And so I find that data alarming.

01:49:21.000 The miscarriage data that's actually in one of the original trials was alarming.

01:49:25.000 Have we seen a net increase in miscarriages nationwide?

01:49:28.000 Have we had Dr. McCullough alluded to that?

01:49:32.000 Do we not know?

01:49:33.000 Because then it kind of goes back to a theme.

01:49:34.000 We don't trust the United States data.

01:49:36.000 Thanks for shopping, right?

01:49:37.000 I've had multiple reports from small areas, like it's not small, but like city hospitals where they go, oh my gosh, we had eight stillbursts within a window when we should have a half of one on average, right?

01:49:48.000 So we're seeing large increases, but nobody is gathering that data.

01:49:52.000 Yeah, you think that would be probably a pretty interesting or urgent thing for public health officials, right?

01:49:57.000 Steve Kirsch has gotten into that.

01:50:01.000 He's talked to, and again, you have to understand that the environment that we're in.

01:50:07.000 So when you ask about this data, you know, you'll have like an LND, a labor and delivery nurse, right?

01:50:13.000 I think it was one of the Canadian hospitals.

01:50:13.000 Who reports?

01:50:16.000 They had 13 stillbirths apparently in a 24-hour period when the normal rate for that hospital was stillbirths.

01:50:22.000 Yeah, that's what was reported.

01:50:24.000 But that's like sub-Saharan African. 0.67

01:50:26.000 That's the thing.

01:50:26.000 And they said the normal rate was, I think, maybe once a month they had a stillbirth.

01:50:30.000 And stillbirths are quite rare events.

01:50:33.000 And so you hear these trickles of very, very alarming data.

01:50:37.000 And you would think if we're in a normal time, that data would be investigated, pursued, and disseminated.

01:50:43.000 Well, it's the opposite.

01:50:44.000 So I'm going to read you an article if that's okay.

01:50:47.000 And I don't mean to be on my phone here, but I just want to make sure I, you know, get this correct, which is this new article came out today.

01:50:55.000 I saw it on Google News, which is that COVID-19, new study shows risk of severe illness and stillbirths for unvaccinated pregnant women.

01:51:07.000 So they say to prevent stillbirths, this according to Forbes CBS News, isn't it interesting?

01:51:12.000 And you mentioned this earlier, Doctor, how they're able to kind of get it to every single type of news outlet very quickly.

01:51:18.000 It's almost like there was an Operation Mockingbird that was stood up in the 1960s and 70s.

01:51:25.000 So they want you to get vaccinated to prevent a stillbirth.

01:51:31.000 So here's the interesting thing.

01:51:32.000 So we have the data, we have the control sample.

01:51:34.000 We call it 2020.

01:51:35.000 We didn't have vaccines.

01:51:36.000 If stillbirths were popping as a consequence of being COVID-infected, we would have seen it in that data strongly.

01:51:42.000 And it didn't start showing up until recently.

01:51:44.000 And now they're saying it must be because you're unvaccinated.

01:51:46.000 Now, there's no data for that.

01:51:48.000 It's unsubstantiated.

01:51:49.000 It's medical misinformation without the data to back it up.

01:51:51.000 It's propaganda, is what it is at this stage.

01:51:54.000 We don't have the data.

01:51:56.000 So another article I could read to you, Dr. Steve has to try to get it.

01:52:03.000 I'd love to show you the paper.

01:52:05.000 So this is what's so troubling.

01:52:07.000 So we're in a discussion with some colleagues, and we're trying to share with them this really alarming all-cause mortality data.

01:52:15.000 So there's this one really compelling paper that's on a pre-print server.

01:52:19.000 So it's not peer-reviewed in a major journal, which shows alarming all-cause mortality for all aged deciles from a big European database as well as the U.S. database.

01:52:30.000 Okay.

01:52:31.000 And in sharing that with a colleague, they sent me back eight papers published in peer-reviewed journals, which show the opposite.

01:52:41.000 And we know any adverse vaccine analyses are not going to get published.

01:52:47.000 And so, you know, if you want to believe in the implicit faith and lack of control over the medical journals, then what's appearing in the memo are factual, up-to-date, and true.

01:52:58.000 We know that women are complaining about this. 1.00

01:53:01.000 Huge chat groups that we're forming on social media around women sharing their experiences after vaccination.

01:53:06.000 I've heard of it in my circle.

01:53:07.000 Even in the FLCCC, we have had a daughter and a niece of people who work within this, both who lost babies after vaccination.

01:53:17.000 And so we know it's out there, know the data's out there, but either it's not being collected, no one's doing the research on it, or it's not being published.

01:53:25.000 We have countless emails on our show of these stories.

01:53:29.000 And the fertility, so Steve Kirk just did a recent sub stack on, I don't know if you saw this, Chris, on in vitro fertilization clinics.

01:53:38.000 It's the gold rush of the century.

01:53:40.000 If you're in vitro, you're making more money than ever.

01:53:43.000 But they're having problems there.

01:53:44.000 They're seeing a lot more failures than they've ever had.

01:53:48.000 Because they're 50,000 bucks a pop.

01:53:49.000 Let me ask a question, though.

01:53:51.000 There's been some speculation that the vaccinated can harm the unvaccinated.

01:53:58.000 Is that true?

01:53:58.000 They could shed potentially harmful.

01:54:03.000 Help me out here.

01:54:05.000 Something vaporized.

01:54:07.000 This is speculation.

01:54:08.000 For example, some people say that Women that are vaccinated can harm pregnant women that are unvaccinated.

01:54:15.000 Is that too far out there?

01:54:17.000 Is that potentially substantiated?

01:54:21.000 I've heard lots of stories about that, but I have a lot of them down.

01:54:24.000 I have compelling anecdotes of that.

01:54:26.000 Same.

01:54:27.000 I definitely have compelling anecdotes, but of other people getting weird.

01:54:30.000 I also want to be responsible that, like, what law, you know, and that's the problem with some of the questions you're just asking now, Charlie.

01:54:37.000 Like, we're not getting past compelling and large numbers of anecdotes.

01:54:41.000 And, you know, one of the things I want to remind ourselves: you know, one anecdote is one anecdote, right?

01:54:45.000 500 anecdotes are 500 anecdotes.

01:54:48.000 So this is not an anecdote.

01:54:50.000 This is data.

01:54:51.000 At our event, America Fest, we had, let me think, 8,200 seats in the room.

01:54:51.000 Okay.

01:54:57.000 And every seat was filled.

01:54:59.000 And I asked the room, I said, how many people here personally know somebody that had a serious adverse event to the vaccine?

01:55:05.000 And nearly every single hand goes up.

01:55:06.000 Wow.

01:55:07.000 So that's not an anecdote.

01:55:09.000 That's a sample size of people from all 50 states.

01:55:12.000 And this country.

01:55:12.000 Yep.

01:55:14.000 If it was truly safe, and if you ask the question the way you did, which is very surprising.

01:55:18.000 You're very serious that you know personally of a serious adverse event or side effect from the vaccine.

01:55:24.000 And I've run that same poll in my own.

01:55:26.000 I've got a fairly large following and the same thing.

01:55:28.000 More people report knowing somebody within one degree of separation who's not.

01:55:33.000 The Pfizer lobby will say that's confirmation bias.

01:55:36.000 You want to find that.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:39.000 They can say that all day long.

01:55:41.000 So the military says, you know, once is an accident, twice is coincidence, but three times is enemy action.

01:55:47.000 Back to your point, you know, once is simple, like, you know, fog of war.

01:55:52.000 Twice was incompetence, but every single time we see that the decisions that are made are to suppress the data that we need in order to determine that the vaccines have maybe a safety signal.

01:56:03.000 Every single time they've suppressed early treatments, every single time we're at enemy action at this point, that's what we just have to face up to: is that we have a system that is geared through whatever set of incentives to harm you if it makes them money.

01:56:18.000 So now I want to complete this conversation in the minutes we have remaining about what could potentially be done to hold some of these people accountable, which I'm going to ask a couple of questions around that.

01:56:28.000 And then kind of where we're at, some positives you're seeing, some momentum, and how people can actually take action.

01:56:34.000 So I want to end the conversation, hopefully, in an uplifting note, because we've been bountifully cynical today.

01:56:41.000 Have crimes against humanity taken place?

01:56:43.000 And is the Nuremberg kind of topic of conversation, is that even something we should talk about or is that unrealistic?

01:56:53.000 Well, what I said before, and what I've said in our discussion here, Charlie, right, is looking back at the history of the pharmaceutical industry and the tens, if not hundreds of thousands that have died through the criminal actions that they've taken to suppress toxicity data around prior therapeutics.

01:57:11.000 I don't know when you draw the line and say it's a crime against humanity or a crime against public health, but if you look at the sheer scale of human lives lost by those same actions that they've done.

01:57:22.000 So what Chris just said is if you look at the entire way the system is operated, it's in suppressing evidence of early treatments for generic drugs and at all costs, trying to convince everyone and everything of the safety and efficacy of rather toxic vaccines.

01:57:40.000 And so when you look at those two actions and the massive amounts of life lost, disability that we talked about, life insurance claims, what are we up now?

01:57:50.000 Last time I checked, it was 800,000 plus American lives lost.

01:57:54.000 We're probably nearing 900.

01:57:56.000 And depending how you count them, that's fair.

01:57:58.000 That's fair.

01:58:00.000 But I've also been in hospitals for a year and a half.

01:58:02.000 I've seen units full of patients on ventilators, all with the same disease.

01:58:06.000 I mean, I've seen like horrific impacts.

01:58:08.000 I've lost a lot of patients to this disease.

01:58:11.000 And they all died from the lack of early treatment, lack of knowledge, lack of access to early treatment.

01:58:20.000 We know from the areas around the world that have used early treatment, you don't go to the hospital and die to near the extent that if you didn't.

01:58:28.000 And so is that a crime against humanity?

01:58:31.000 How could it be anything but?

01:58:33.000 It's that what you just said, the normal way to operate business.

01:58:36.000 They don't care.

01:58:38.000 They don't care.

01:58:41.000 So if crime's been committed, yeah, absolutely.

01:58:44.000 I don't know what threshold they cross to get to the crimes against humanity stage, but the good news in this. 1.00

01:58:52.000 So Charlie, these have been great questions.

01:58:53.000 This is a very refreshing conversation to have.

01:58:55.000 And we should have been having these conversations right from the beginning.

01:58:58.000 And it's telling that we're having it here.

01:59:00.000 And these aren't happening at the center.

01:59:01.000 So what I've learned, which is very positive, is that when I figured out what early treatments were working, it was because I was following people like Pierre.

01:59:09.000 I was following people at the edge.

01:59:10.000 The CDC is literally the last place I go to for guidance now.

01:59:13.000 The last place.

01:59:14.000 In fact, I might do the exact opposite of whatever they come up with just out of like habit because that might be a good starting point, right?

01:59:21.000 So we've learned in this whole process who were the moral giants and the intellectual giants of our times.

01:59:28.000 We got to figure that out.

01:59:29.000 We also learned the opposite, who are moral cowards, who are intellectual frauds, and there are a lot of them. 0.86

01:59:35.000 So we got to figure that out.

01:59:36.000 So I got to learn who I can trust.

01:59:38.000 So for your listeners, this whole thing, they're trying to demonize it, doing your own research.

01:59:38.000 That's great.

01:59:43.000 Well, yeah, you should.

01:59:44.000 You should decide for yourself what's best for you.

01:59:46.000 And you can read a paper as well as I can and say vitamin D is the bomb.

01:59:49.000 You better have good vitamin D levels.

01:59:51.000 People can take ownership of that.

01:59:53.000 Don't wait.

01:59:53.000 Don't wait for the CDC to tell you or your doctor.

01:59:56.000 Figure it out.

01:59:57.000 So I see this movement towards personal responsibility, people getting back to what I consider fundamental truths again, which is what really matters is our freedom matters.

01:59:57.000 Right.

02:00:06.000 Yeah.

02:00:07.000 Right?

02:00:07.000 There's a big march going on on the 23rd and Sunday.

02:00:10.000 Yeah, tell us about that.

02:00:11.000 How could people get involved?

02:00:12.000 And peaceful march, of course.

02:00:14.000 Peace, absolutely peaceful.

02:00:15.000 Peaceful, peaceful.

02:00:17.000 So it's going to go from Washington Monument to the Lincoln Memorial.

02:00:23.000 It starts at, I believe, 11 o'clock or 10:30 in the morning.

02:00:27.000 People gather at the monument on Sunday, the 23rd.

02:00:32.000 Of January.

02:00:33.000 Is there a website where people can get the information?

02:00:36.000 Yes, Defeat the Mandates DC.

02:00:39.000 All one phrase there, defeatthemandates DC.com.

02:00:43.000 And you can sign up there, leave a name, figure out the schedule, all of that, look at the speakers, a lot of great speakers.

02:00:49.000 And so there'll be a one-mile walk up the mall and then a bunch of people speaking there.

02:00:53.000 And it's really all about, to me, it's about saying enough.

02:00:58.000 Enough is enough.

02:00:59.000 It's not just the mandates for me.

02:01:01.000 It's much bigger than that.

02:01:02.000 We need our country back.

02:01:03.000 We need to get back on right principles again.

02:01:05.000 I want people who are ethical to be back in power again.

02:01:08.000 These are things that this is the country I care about.

02:01:12.000 So, Dr. Corey, you said something interesting.

02:01:13.000 I don't know if you've talked about this openly or not, or if you're comfortable.

02:01:16.000 You said your former party, so I inferred you were once a Democrat.

02:01:19.000 Is that right?

02:01:20.000 Yeah, listen, I'm a New Yorker.

02:01:23.000 I was living in Wisconsin.

02:01:25.000 I'm curious, though, because I mean, that's the part I voted with.

02:01:28.000 I mean, I'm not in any party now.

02:01:32.000 And I'm not trying to pin you down.

02:01:33.000 What I'm interested, though, is that it seems as if, for whatever reason, the right has been more of a place for this kind of conversation than the left.

02:01:41.000 What's your take on that?

02:01:42.000 Yeah, so I've always been mystified by that.

02:01:44.000 So here's the thing.

02:01:45.000 So as I'm not fully on the right, right?

02:01:48.000 I have differences in philosophy.

02:01:50.000 But here's the thing.

02:01:51.000 The right has been more naturally sort of aligned against government, especially when there's a liberal government in power, right?

02:01:59.000 And they want limited government, more freedom, right?

02:02:02.000 And so if you're against government and governmental overreach and you're not going to trust the government and you're going to call BS or you're going to push back on anything the government has, if you've done that consistently in this pandemic, you've been correct.

02:02:17.000 That is a correct stance almost consistently top to bottom.

02:02:21.000 So because of that natural predilection of the right to have that stance and have that position towards the government, they've gotten it correct.

02:02:32.000 Yeah, the only thing that confuses me, and we talked about this earlier with the Wonderful Unity Project, the natural inclination of the liberals I grew up with was anti-corporate.

02:02:42.000 Yes.

02:02:43.000 That's that.

02:02:44.000 So that's the one where he's like, what they're actually the Black Panthers.

02:02:49.000 They literally are trusting pharmaceutical companies.

02:02:53.000 Like the left is trusting pharmaceutical companies.

02:02:56.000 I mean, that's the part where it would literally.

02:02:59.000 But my friend Paul Merrick says the world has gone mad.

02:03:02.000 And like, that's just one of the examples.

02:03:03.000 The world has gone mad.

02:03:05.000 So you're as confused as I am.

02:03:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:08.000 I don't even know what to do.

02:03:09.000 So now I want to kind of end this with some momentum.

02:03:09.000 Okay.

02:03:12.000 I do have some questions from our listeners.

02:03:13.000 We got thousands of emails from our listeners because they think so highly both of you, which is a specific follow-up from something we talked about.

02:03:22.000 Charlie, I live in Boston.

02:03:24.000 I need to get ivermectin and I can't.

02:03:26.000 What do they do?

02:03:29.000 Okay.

02:03:31.000 The short answer would be your likelihood of finding a friendly pharmacist is probably in this order.

02:03:38.000 Number one, you can Google compounding pharmacy near me.

02:03:43.000 I can tell you that not every compounding pharmacy is ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine friendly, but most are.

02:03:50.000 The next I would choose is an independent pharmacist, so not a retail chain.

02:03:55.000 I think the independent pharmacists are also more likely to think independently.

02:03:58.000 They can't even get a doctor to write this.

02:03:59.000 Yeah, what about the doctor part?

02:04:00.000 Oh, the doctor part.

02:04:01.000 I thought you were talking about pharmacy.

02:04:02.000 Well, both.

02:04:03.000 Maybe America Frontline.

02:04:05.000 Doctor part.

02:04:06.000 So America's Frontline, not just one, but our website, we have.

02:04:10.000 What is the URL?

02:04:11.000 So we have flcc.net.

02:04:14.000 So a couple of things I want to say about that.

02:04:16.000 So let's just keep ivermectin aside for a second because at our website, we have combination therapy protocols where we actually have a number of agents that have shown efficacy and they're over the counter.

02:04:26.000 So for quite a number of things that are in our protocols, you don't need a doctor for.

02:04:31.000 For the big guns, like with Omicron, like I'm really liking hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, fluoxetine, you're going to need a doctor for that.

02:04:38.000 We have lists of telehealth providers around the country who have shown that they do early treatment and many of them use our protocols.

02:04:47.000 And so you can always find someone there.

02:04:49.000 At the rate of 750,000 tests, purported positive tests a day.

02:04:56.000 I don't think we have enough of those doctors to treat everyone.

02:04:59.000 And that's the really sad part.

02:05:02.000 I want to end positively, but those would be a couple of resources that you can.

02:05:07.000 Maybe go more rural than urban.

02:05:09.000 Is there any difference to that?

02:05:10.000 I would think so.

02:05:11.000 I would think probably more rural.

02:05:13.000 I hate to overly politicize that.

02:05:14.000 No, I think that states tend to be a little bit more open-minded.

02:05:17.000 Well, I'll tell you that that divide has been shown in many other countries.

02:05:21.000 So in countries where ivermectin was widely used, there was a very sharp urban rural divide.

02:05:27.000 So in Peru, where all the ivory towers are, the city doctors know that the potion of the people that all the masses are using ivermectin, you know, out in the countryside, the ivory towers, like in Lima, there's a really nice study showing Lima, the death rates in Lima far exceeded the regions of Peru where they had mass ivermectin distribution.

02:05:47.000 So yeah.

02:05:48.000 And so that rural, I'm sure that applies here.

02:05:53.000 So sorry, please, Dr. Yeah, so there's actually a whole underground railroad around this.

02:05:58.000 And unfortunately, I know a lot of people who have turned to tractor supply, right?

02:06:02.000 They've gone out and actually taken animal grade.

02:06:05.000 I'm not recommending it, but they do it because they have no other option.

02:06:08.000 Canada, I know people, it doesn't even matter. 0.96

02:06:10.000 They can't go even animal grade.

02:06:12.000 Australia, they can't. 0.86

02:06:13.000 So the gela sativa seems to work, which is one of the things that's on the FLCCC protocol.

02:06:18.000 There are things people can do, but it is such a shame that people literally have to turn sometimes to something like that.

02:06:25.000 It's just awful.

02:06:26.000 The second part of the question we get a lot of questions about that weren't directed at you, but in general, because I become this funnel as we talk about this stuff, and I'm not equipped to always answer these questions.

02:06:35.000 Charlie, my father's in the hospital.

02:06:37.000 He's not doing well.

02:06:39.000 I'm trying to get drugs to him or whatever.

02:06:41.000 They're not giving him treatment.

02:06:43.000 Is there many options at that?

02:06:44.000 And then let me be provocative and blunt.

02:06:46.000 If someone starts to struggle, should they even go to the hospital at all?

02:06:51.000 All right, let me ask the first, let me answer the first part.

02:06:53.000 So the area where we've had as little success is once someone enters the doors of a hospital, if you're a COVID expert, so if you look at our protocols at flcc.net, we have what's called the Math Plus protocol.

02:07:05.000 That's our hospital protocol.

02:07:07.000 It has maybe a dozen medicines on there.

02:07:10.000 We use higher doses and multiple combinations, including a high dose of IV vitamin C.

02:07:18.000 I suggest to them to take Math Plus, show it to the doctor.

02:07:22.000 The likelihood that that affects a change in the clinical care of an individual patient in the hospital is somewhere between zero and 1%.

02:07:29.000 Doctors are just not open.

02:07:31.000 They will not do it.

02:07:32.000 They're all on protocols.

02:07:34.000 They don't vary.

02:07:35.000 And we're a bunch of Yahoos or something.

02:07:37.000 I don't know what's thought.

02:07:38.000 But again, there's an implicit faith and trust in the agencies and in our nation's exalted and highly successful treatment protocols for COVID.

02:07:47.000 Cynicism came through there, Charlie?

02:07:49.000 Beautiful.

02:07:49.000 All right.

02:07:50.000 Okay.

02:07:50.000 Just wanted to make sure.

02:07:51.000 Very clear.

02:07:52.000 So that first part of the answer is it's really hard to direct care.

02:07:58.000 I have personally, I've offered my cell phone to physicians if they want to call me.

02:08:03.000 I try to tell the families, please, I don't want to get a call when they do it under duress.

02:08:08.000 I will accept a call from a physician who's open-minded and willing to hear about my expertise.

02:08:12.000 I'm an ICU specialist.

02:08:13.000 And so we get a lot of calls for patients really advanced in disease and ICUs often.

02:08:19.000 Very hard to help them.

02:08:21.000 Like 20 days, right?

02:08:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:23.000 I mean, that's really hard.

02:08:24.000 Even if I was on, you know, I've been finding that once they've been undertreated that long.

02:08:30.000 So early treatment, no treatment.

02:08:32.000 Hospital, you get this anemic dose of a corticosteroid with remdesivir, which is either not working or harmful.

02:08:38.000 And then you might get one of the IBs or abs, and then suddenly you're in florid, you know, severe critical illness in the ICU.

02:08:45.000 Even when I miss morale, you're not seeing loved ones, right?

02:08:48.000 All that impacts.

02:08:50.000 Everything is there.

02:08:51.000 And your loved ones can't even advocate as they normally would.

02:08:53.000 They can't come to the bedside.

02:08:54.000 They can't do that.

02:08:55.000 And they might intubate you.

02:08:56.000 They might forget to check on you.

02:08:58.000 All of that.

02:08:58.000 So, I mean, right to your question, two years ago, I would have gone to the hospital as a first resort, and now it's my personal last resort.

02:09:05.000 And I'll tell you why.

02:09:05.000 My local hospitals still have remdesivir standard of care.

02:09:09.000 So if I go there with a low oxygen stat, I'm going to get put on remdesivir.

02:09:12.000 Am I wrong to say that the only thing the hospital might be able to offer is an oxygen machine?

02:09:19.000 Is that correct?

02:09:20.000 No, I mean, they'll offer more.

02:09:21.000 I mean, I just think that the medicines are just unimaginative, fraudulent, so remdesivir is fraudulent.

02:09:28.000 I will tell you that I believe that dexamethasone is fraudulent in the following way.

02:09:33.000 The dose in which they're using it is artificially low.

02:09:37.000 What's the number?

02:09:38.000 It's the chemical.

02:09:40.000 So it's called dexamethasone.

02:09:42.000 It's a corticosteroid.

02:09:43.000 So it's a strong...

02:09:44.000 It's not prednisone, though.

02:09:45.000 No, but it's similar.

02:09:46.000 It's in the same class.

02:09:47.000 The drug that is being used right now is called dexamethasone.

02:09:50.000 It's very similar to prednisone.

02:09:52.000 It's just a different formulation.

02:09:53.000 But you're okay with prednisone or no?

02:09:55.000 I'm very okay with it.

02:09:56.000 What I'm not okay with is the horrific underdosing.

02:10:01.000 People are dying.

02:10:02.000 Underdosing.

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:03.000 Underdose.

02:10:04.000 So what happened was when I told you before that we came out and we told the world, I testified in the Senate, you have to use corticosteroids in the hospital phase of the disease.

02:10:12.000 I got attacked, roundly accused of, you know, whatever, malpractice or misinformation until a large randomized control trial came out proving that it was life-saving and it became the standard of care worldwide.

02:10:25.000 But they tried to make it not work.

02:10:27.000 They gave homeopathic doses.

02:10:27.000 Yes.

02:10:29.000 So they used a very low dose.

02:10:29.000 That's the thing.

02:10:31.000 It was a very large trial.

02:10:32.000 So they did find a mortality benefit.

02:10:35.000 But we now have eight to ten trials since.

02:10:38.000 Each and every case, when you use the different corticosteroid methopredonisolone, better concentration in lungs, and at higher doses, every time you use a higher dose, you see the mortality rates drop and drop.

02:10:49.000 Yet they're still stuck on six of dex across the country.

02:10:53.000 People are dying of undertreatment.

02:10:55.000 And if I could add one last thing, I hope this isn't a self-promotion, but these things that we talk about, especially on the steroids, I've been writing a sub stack and I'm going into really, you can subscribe for free, but I go into real depth about how these things are happening.

02:11:09.000 And particularly, I wrote two very deeply researched posts on this corticosteroid issue.

02:11:16.000 But to your other question, should you go to the hospital?

02:11:20.000 I mean, I can't tell you not to go.

02:11:22.000 I think it just comes back to the first answer, which is you want to try to get access to early treatment.

02:11:28.000 If you do get shorter breath, I would ask that you find a doctor who's willing to use an appropriate dose of steroid.

02:11:34.000 Even as outpatients, they're using six of dex.

02:11:37.000 It's just insufficient.

02:11:38.000 We know this is a steroid responsive disease and there's a dose dependency to it and you need to use higher doses.

02:11:44.000 And I'll tell you my personal opinion, and I can understand exactly why you have to say that, which is I would not advise for anyone in my circle to go to a hospital.

02:11:54.000 I wouldn't trust it at all whatsoever.

02:11:56.000 I bought an oxygen machine, a good one, not a ventilator, but an oxygen machine that could give supplemental oxygen.

02:12:02.000 And I've seen too many stories of people I know personally that are doing okay.

02:12:06.000 They go to the hospital and who knows what happens next and they die.

02:12:10.000 And I know for certain that they're not getting any of this treatment.

02:12:15.000 In fact, they're getting the dexamethasone and they're getting remdesivir.

02:12:19.000 And we have 55 emails of people that believe remdesivir killed their loved one.

02:12:25.000 I don't know if that's true or not.

02:12:27.000 You're saying it's fraudulent.

02:12:28.000 It very well might be.

02:12:29.000 It's inexpensive.

02:12:30.000 I think it's $1,500 a shot.

02:12:32.000 It didn't behave well in Ebola.

02:12:35.000 So that segues to another question, which is, you're Anthony Fauci.

02:12:41.000 All right.

02:12:42.000 Outside of the corruption, the graft, the evil, awful perspective of the world.

02:12:50.000 How many people should have died from this?

02:12:53.000 I know it's unfair, but you could get in a ballpark.

02:12:53.000 I know that's a speculative.

02:12:56.000 Both of you are, let's say you're both Anthony Fauci.

02:12:59.000 And you have that multi-trillion dollar megaphone, which is what he had, right?

02:13:05.000 He was able to control a civilization and still does for over two years.

02:13:09.000 How many people die of this thing?

02:13:11.000 A lot, lot, lot less.

02:13:12.000 Because what we would have done, anybody, almost like in a military exercise, right?

02:13:17.000 You're going to make decisions based on risks and benefits.

02:13:19.000 We knew so many things about the disease.

02:13:22.000 We knew the steroids worked early.

02:13:22.000 We knew early.

02:13:24.000 We knew the critical role of vitamin D.

02:13:26.000 We knew these repurposed cheap and safe drugs.

02:13:29.000 We knew the safety profiles were so unparalleled that let's say it only had minimal efficacy.

02:13:35.000 The idea that you would cause harm by deploying it widely in what you call the fog of war, right?

02:13:40.000 When this thing came out, those are the things that you have to do to keep people alive.

02:13:44.000 And if we had deployed those, so, you know, it's not just Fauci.

02:13:50.000 I think he, you know, the fact that he's led the bio, you know, bio-medical industrial complex for 40 years is a problem.

02:13:56.000 And the reason why he's had that position is because he's, you know, his actions are totally in lockstep with pharma.

02:14:04.000 But let's say you replace the guy at the top.

02:14:07.000 There's still a rotten structure underneath, right?

02:14:10.000 And it's really driven, what I think, by the revolving door.

02:14:13.000 I agree.

02:14:13.000 And that's all right.

02:14:14.000 But our audience is well.

02:14:15.000 But going back to the question is.

02:14:17.000 Yeah, I think 500,000 fewer people would have died.

02:14:20.000 And so I'm Anthony Fauci.

02:14:21.000 I get out there early on because we have a clip of him in 2019 saying these exact words.

02:14:26.000 So I'm just going to tell you what he said in 2019 before this all happened.

02:14:30.000 Hey, the way you get past an infectious disease is you get plenty of rest.

02:14:33.000 You make sure you're not stressed out because you want your immune system as tuned up as possible.

02:14:37.000 Make sure your vitamin D levels are adequate.

02:14:39.000 Your vitamin C levels are good.

02:14:40.000 What we now know, based on the parsing of the data, you also want to make sure you have appropriate levels of serum, zinc, and selenium.

02:14:46.000 These are just basic over-the-counter things that we now know work really, really well.

02:14:50.000 I think if we'd done that, that's called prepare the terrain.

02:14:52.000 Even if I'm going to say I'm going to depend on a vaccine, what I want when I give the vaccine is I want your immune system to really robustly rise to the challenge.

02:15:00.000 So guess what?

02:15:01.000 We want the immune system in good shape.

02:15:03.000 So we know how to do those things.

02:15:05.000 Those weren't done, again, three times as enemy action.

02:15:07.000 They totally overlooked that stuff.

02:15:09.000 And by the way, that has a racial component because vitamin D is much lower in people with strong melanin in the skin.

02:15:14.000 It's right.

02:15:15.000 And the fact that, you know, they're like, oh, well, you know, Trump was this racist, but so is Biden, because neither of them actually, through their health agencies, went forward and said this is a really important issue.

02:15:25.000 We could have had a Marshall Plan around vitamin D levels and early treatments.

02:15:29.000 I like the Marshall Plan idea.

02:15:30.000 Well, this is what frustrates every mailbox.

02:15:32.000 I could go on about this, but we are the richest country ever.

02:15:36.000 We have more technology, more information than ever.

02:15:40.000 And the way we handled this will objectively be looked at from people 200 years from now.

02:15:45.000 And there will be entire classes, courses, and PhDs written on how a wealthy country allowed millions of people to die with all the drugs we have at our disposal, right?

02:15:58.000 And I believe this.

02:15:58.000 The information.

02:16:00.000 And, you know, obviously we comment a fair amount on politics.

02:16:02.000 And there's been plenty of political dynamics we don't like.

02:16:06.000 Some that you, I know you guys are vaccinating of children, masks on kids, school closures, bad things, right?

02:16:11.000 But all of it really kind of is the choke point.

02:16:14.000 And the choke point or the checkpoint, checkpoint, Charlie, what do you want to call it? Is early treatments.

02:16:19.000 You get early treatments.

02:16:20.000 There's no reason to ever shut down schools.

02:16:22.000 You get early treatments.

02:16:24.000 There's no reason to addict people to screens, right?

02:16:26.000 It really is the one that impacts all.

02:16:28.000 It is the cause set in motion.

02:16:30.000 I like your Marshall Plan because now you're reminding me when you ask the question.

02:16:33.000 This is my real answer because I've been saying this for months.

02:16:35.000 Like, my dream would be that every household in America in their cupboard would have hydroxychloroquine and/or ivermectin in the cupboard, ready to deploy, like you would have an Advil or a Tylenol or an aspirin, right?

02:16:50.000 In the cupboard for when the family falls ill.

02:16:52.000 Anyone in the family, immediately upon first symptoms, they'd have access to it.

02:16:55.000 You don't have to run around with pharmacists or anything.

02:16:58.000 Everybody would have a home treatment.

02:17:01.000 You're a pulmonary doctor.

02:17:02.000 Yeah.

02:17:02.000 How many lives do you think were saved from deep vein thrombrosis, aka blood plots, blood clots because of aspirin?

02:17:10.000 Well, it depends how many people are using aspirin when they get sick.

02:17:13.000 I got to tell you, that's not that common.

02:17:14.000 It's the same theme that we've been talking about.

02:17:15.000 It's on our last 30 or 40 years.

02:17:17.000 Oh, 32.

02:17:18.000 Oh, countless.

02:17:19.000 But that's the point, right, isn't it?

02:17:21.000 Is that not, that doesn't mean no one ever died of blood clots.

02:17:24.000 But aspirin was a net good.

02:17:26.000 Now, if you take too much aspirin, you bleed out.

02:17:29.000 What I'm getting at, though, is aspirin allowed millions of people to live their lives as a very reasonable blood thin.

02:17:35.000 It's a lot of cheap, right?

02:17:36.000 Safe, cheap, widespread, accessible.

02:17:38.000 I could only imagine in the 1970s, when did aspirin come online, right?

02:17:42.000 60s, 70s when Bayer introduced it widespread?

02:17:44.000 Earlier than that.

02:17:45.000 Oh, much earlier.

02:17:45.000 Yeah.

02:17:46.000 30s, maybe?

02:17:47.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:17:48.000 In the 30s.

02:17:48.000 Okay.

02:17:49.000 I could imagine it's not safe and effective.

02:17:53.000 There's nothing we could do against blood clots.

02:17:55.000 Right.

02:17:55.000 You know, not proven, unproven insufficient evidence.

02:17:58.000 Insufficient evidence.

02:17:59.000 I use that example because it's one where we wouldn't even think about it.

02:18:02.000 It's interesting, though.

02:18:03.000 If you go to the FDA type of aspirin, they've recently published articles saying that aspirin could have negative health effects.

02:18:09.000 It's true.

02:18:09.000 Well, you know what Niels Bohr said?

02:18:11.000 He said, science advances one funeral at a time.

02:18:13.000 Yeah.

02:18:14.000 Because you have these people who hold on.

02:18:15.000 Like I'm sure you know these people are dead set against vitamin C.

02:18:18.000 And that won't penetrate until those people are cleared out because they're going to hold on to that belief system.

02:18:23.000 So I want you for both of you to plug everything you want to plug, and then I have one final question.

02:18:28.000 So how could people follow you, support you?

02:18:30.000 So I've mentioned our website already.

02:18:32.000 So FLCCC.net for lots of information on our protocols.

02:18:37.000 You can, you know, early, late treatment.

02:18:39.000 I should also mention that we are just updating.

02:18:42.000 We have a long-haul treatment protocol, which is really helping a lot of people.

02:18:47.000 And we also use it for the vaccine injured.

02:18:49.000 So it's actually showing efficacy in vaccine syndrome.

02:18:52.000 So please visit our protocols and providers.

02:18:54.000 The other thing, if you want to learn more about the topics that I'm talking about, a lot of disinformation tactics that I've observed and become unfortunately expert in, my substack is Pierre Corey.

02:19:04.000 That's K-O-R-Y dot substack.com. 0.99

02:19:07.000 And our FLCCC also has a substack.

02:19:11.000 We all write on similar topics.

02:19:13.000 Yeah, and we both support the Unity Project, which you just interviewed before.

02:19:19.000 We plugged them, and what they're doing is very important.

02:19:21.000 Very important.

02:19:23.000 The March, the March, the March, peaceful, come down, keep the mandatesc.com.

02:19:28.000 Absolutely.

02:19:29.000 And my website is Peak Prosperity.

02:19:31.000 A very large-scale.

02:19:32.000 Didn't say that slower.

02:19:33.000 Peak Prosperity.

02:19:33.000 Sorry?

02:19:34.000 PeakProsperity.com.

02:19:36.000 It's a good URL.

02:19:36.000 Yep.

02:19:38.000 Yeah, I've had it for a long time, and it has a couple of double entendre meetings.

02:19:42.000 So that's my website, large community there.

02:19:44.000 I circle around all sorts of issues.

02:19:46.000 COVID's one, but it's really looking at the unsustainable nature of our financial system in this country.

02:19:52.000 Well, I completely agree with that.

02:19:53.000 Oh, by the way, early treatments impact that.

02:19:55.000 No early treatments.

02:19:55.000 Yeah.

02:19:57.000 Why would you have to spend $7 trillion?

02:19:58.000 Yeah.

02:19:59.000 Right?

02:20:00.000 Exactly.

02:20:00.000 No early treatments.

02:20:01.000 Why lock down the country?

02:20:03.000 Early treatments bankrupted the country.

02:20:05.000 Yeah.

02:20:05.000 Or the lack thereof.

02:20:06.000 I'm sorry.

02:20:07.000 Lack.

02:20:07.000 That's an impression.

02:20:09.000 As you can tell, one of my hypotheses is that the early treatments was the lack thereof or the lack of willingness is the mailing ballots to all these different things.

02:20:18.000 Many things, those.

02:20:19.000 And don't forget, September 2019, we were having this massive repo crisis, and the Fed was looking for a reason to flood the system with money.

02:20:26.000 And bingo, this thing came out.

02:20:28.000 Boy, they found it.

02:20:29.000 Peakprosperity.com.

02:20:31.000 Yep.

02:20:31.000 Okay.

02:20:31.000 Last question is this.

02:20:33.000 I get this all the time.

02:20:34.000 What can a normal person do?

02:20:35.000 They could show up to the march.

02:20:36.000 They could do these things, empower our listeners a little bit.

02:20:39.000 The citizens that want their medical freedom, what can they do?

02:20:47.000 I mean, I think if they know a pharmacist, they know a physician, I think the doctors need to speak up for them and with them.

02:20:53.000 I think doctors, they need to start being able to push back at the systems which have oppressed them.

02:21:00.000 So I'm speaking very physician-centric.

02:21:02.000 And also, I just have to tell you, I don't have a great answer for exactly how to affect that change in an immediate way.

02:21:09.000 I'm going to fall back and say, I think it's like any grassroots movement in history.

02:21:14.000 The voices, the people who are kind of like, I don't want to say waking up, but they become more aware of how spectacular the systems have failed, how it's completely broken.

02:21:23.000 I think those numbers are going to increase.

02:21:26.000 And at some point, if you get enough numbers and you get enough people supporting us, whether it's at a march or just speaking to family members, speaking to physicians, so let your physicians hear what you think.

02:21:38.000 You know, I don't want to put that trite thing about write your congressman and all that.

02:21:42.000 I don't really think that works, but I don't know.

02:21:44.000 I just think that, you know, we became somewhat great.

02:21:49.000 We're a group of physicians and researchers and clinicians.

02:21:51.000 And I don't know, we got thrust into this kind of like a grassroots public advocacy role.

02:21:57.000 And the amount of support and the ground soils for what we've seen and the amount that people have been appreciative, not only in this country and around the world, I just want to say I want to keep doing what we're doing.

02:22:07.000 And if others could do similar to what we're doing, I think we'll get to a good place.

02:22:12.000 Well said.

02:22:13.000 I have a slightly broader view.

02:22:14.000 I think it's time for people to become very resilient.

02:22:17.000 I see you.

02:22:18.000 Anti-fragile.

02:22:19.000 I see troubled times coming.

02:22:20.000 And it's on an economic front.

02:22:22.000 We have energy issues.

02:22:24.000 We've got a variety of issues.

02:22:25.000 And so this is a time for people to reclaim their own power and become resilient, self-responsible.

02:22:30.000 I parse out resilience across multiple forms of capital.

02:22:34.000 Having money is a good form of capital.

02:22:35.000 It's one.

02:22:36.000 There's seven others.

02:22:37.000 Having good, deep social capital, really important.

02:22:39.000 Who do you know?

02:22:40.000 How well do you know them?

02:22:41.000 Your living capital, the health of your own body, right?

02:22:44.000 Having good, rich soils around your house.

02:22:47.000 These are the sorts of things that I'm, that's my work in the world.

02:22:50.000 I try and convince people that maybe things are a little unsustainable.

02:22:53.000 And once they see it, they take that red pill.

02:22:55.000 They go, oh.

02:22:56.000 And honestly, people already know.

02:22:58.000 So then how do you become resilient?

02:22:59.000 And here's the best part.

02:23:00.000 This means I think we get, we wake up and I think we get back to what really matters and people start discovering again what really matters.

02:23:07.000 Because what's tragic, these things, I love this thing.

02:23:10.000 Our kids today are the most isolated, lonely, unhappy ever.

02:23:14.000 And I think we have to fix that.

02:23:15.000 And so that's what I care about.

02:23:17.000 Well, thank you guys so much.

02:23:18.000 I didn't even get to all my question, but this was a phenomenal conversation.

02:23:22.000 And I want to just make sure I mention this again.

02:23:24.000 flcc.net three C's.

02:23:26.000 FLCC.net.

02:23:28.000 FLCCC.net.

02:23:29.000 How about that?

02:23:29.000 Defeatthemandates.com, peakprosperity.com.

02:23:32.000 Thank you guys so much.

02:23:33.000 And thank you for what you're doing for medical freedom and for our country.

02:23:36.000 You guys are playing a huge role.

02:23:37.000 Thanks, Mr. Speaker.

02:23:38.000 You too, Charlie.

02:23:38.000 Absolute pleasure.

02:23:39.000 Thank you.

02:23:42.000 Thank you so much for listening.

02:23:43.000 Email us your thoughts, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 15, 2022

My Conversation with Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Chris Martenson

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