The Charlie Kirk Show - My Conversation with Inventor of mRNA Vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, vaccine thought crimes, the things you are not allowed to talk about when it comes to the vaccine.

00:00:07.000 What is a spike protein?

00:00:08.000 Well, we go to the man who invented the technology behind the mRNA vaccine, Dr. Robert Malone.

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00:02:27.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:30.000 I am thrilled and in fact honored to have with us today Dr. Robert W. Malone, who is the chief medical and regulatory officer of the Unity Project, which can be found at unityprojectonline.com.

00:02:43.000 You can find him on Twitter, unless they kick him off, at rwmalone.

00:02:49.000 And you could also check out another organization he's involved with, globalcovidsummit.org.

00:02:55.000 And he is the president of the International Alliance of Physicians and Scientists.

00:03:00.000 Dr. Malone, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:03.000 Thank you.

00:03:04.000 Thanks a lot for the opportunity to be here and talk to you and your audience.

00:03:08.000 So let's get on it.

00:03:09.000 So I'm an admirer and fan of yours.

00:03:11.000 I first was made aware of you and your work when you joined Brett Weinstein on his podcast, all the way back in April or May or June, if I remember correctly.

00:03:23.000 Back in the 20th century.

00:03:25.000 Yeah.

00:03:26.000 It feels like.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, that was a different world.

00:03:30.000 And I was very interested in that conversation.

00:03:34.000 And I've watched hours of your footage since because it seemed that you were confirming some of the suspicion that I had and skepticism I had towards the current rollout and the vaccine that we are now being, you know, in some ways forced to take.

00:03:51.000 Please establish your background in vaccine technology.

00:03:55.000 The original inventor of MRNA and DNA vaccines, and talk about why and how you got concerned about this, and we'll go from there.

00:04:06.000 Let's see.

00:04:07.000 So, briefly, the bona fides.

00:04:10.000 Let's see.

00:04:11.000 UC Davis Biochemistry, Bachelor's in Science, UC San Diego and the Salk Institute, Masters in Biology, MD from Northwestern University in Chicago, fellowships, research fellowships at UC Davis, and a postdoctoral fellowship at Harvard Medical School for Global Clinical Scholars Research Training.

00:04:40.000 That was just a few years ago to kind of tighten up all of my credentials having to do with clinical research, regulatory affairs, and all that stuff.

00:04:51.000 Also, completed an internship, medical internship at UC Davis.

00:04:56.000 I'm a licensed physician in the state of Maryland.

00:04:59.000 I did invent the core platform technology that gave rise to these vaccines.

00:05:05.000 I did not invent these vaccines.

00:05:08.000 And I'm a little aggravated at what's been done with these vaccines and what's happened to the technology.

00:05:14.000 But I've had an extensive academic career, taught pathology at UC Davis and New Maryland, Baltimore, and also was an associate professor at the Uniform Services University of the Health Sciences.

00:05:30.000 You can look up all the papers and the many patents through, if you look on Google Scholar, is a site, so you can just Google Google Scholar, and I'm having trouble with that, just like you were with the mRNA, with my name on it.

00:05:45.000 And you'll see the over 100 papers and 12,600 plus academic citations for the work, blah, blah, blah.

00:05:55.000 And then I'm basically a vaccine developer specialist times 30 years. 0.59

00:06:03.000 I had a stupid amount of training in this and deep experience.

00:06:10.000 And what's a little odd about me is my experience cuts across small biotech, big pharma, U.S. government, particularly the Department of Defense and the NIAD. 0.94

00:06:24.000 I won over $8 billion, won or managed over $8 billion in grants and contracts relating to biodefense and vaccine development with the NIH and with the Department of Defense.

00:06:37.000 I still work closely with the Department of Defense.

00:06:40.000 We have three clinical trials about to launch.

00:06:44.000 I support vaccine developers.

00:06:46.000 I'm supporting a developer that's building a second generation vaccine for this disease.

00:06:52.000 I was really a key leader in bringing forward the Ebola vaccine that we now call the Merck Ebola vaccine.

00:07:01.000 I actually got Merck involved in that project.

00:07:05.000 I've worked on many, many different vaccines and biodefense products, drug repurposing, particularly for Zika, and now for this particular outbreak.

00:07:18.000 And I'm kind of an independent consultant, but very much an insider, particularly with the government.

00:07:28.000 And what led me to this point was this really a series of odd events of which the Dark Horse podcast is one.

00:07:38.000 I really never understood the power of the podcast until that happened and my Twitter account exploded.

00:07:44.000 And I like to say, yeah, it did.

00:07:47.000 It's north of 450,000 now.

00:07:50.000 Wow.

00:07:51.000 And yeah, and everything gets blasted out over telegraph and everything else and retweeted.

00:07:59.000 It's an odd thing.

00:08:01.000 And yeah, so what really kicked it off was I got really unhappy, uncomfortable with what was going on with the mandates, as well as the rushed aspect of the vaccine development.

00:08:21.000 And I knew that a lot of rules were being broken, fundamental rules of bioethics and fundamental rules of how products are supposed to be developed, vaccine products, et cetera, to ensure safety.

00:08:33.000 I have deep background in regulatory affairs and I know the way things are supposed to go.

00:08:39.000 And they just broke all the rules.

00:08:42.000 And then we're misrepresenting information about it.

00:08:47.000 Back then, my wife and I published a book on how to prepare yourself for the novel coronavirus in February of 2020.

00:08:56.000 And that book got censored by Amazon.

00:09:01.000 It got taken down.

00:09:02.000 It was about a couple hundred pages, all highly referenced, etc.

00:09:07.000 We worked our cans off, especially my wife, Dr. Jill Glaspow, wanted to put it out.

00:09:12.000 And then it got taken down.

00:09:14.000 I think our sin was that we advocated for mask use at that time, which is a paradox.

00:09:22.000 We flip-flopped.

00:09:24.000 Now we don't think that the data supporting masks makes a whole lot of sense, especially these masks.

00:09:29.000 But at the time, you'll remember that Dr. Fauci and the official government position was that you shouldn't use masks.

00:09:35.000 And I think in retrospect, looking over that book, that was our only major sin, was bucking the narrative on mask use.

00:09:44.000 So my point is, I've been well familiar with the censorship since the very beginning of this thing.

00:09:51.000 But the depth and breadth of the censorship and propaganda that I've seen and many of my peers have seen still amazes me.

00:10:00.000 Even, you know, I'm a pretty cynical guy these days, but it just, it's profound.

00:10:08.000 And I think we are in a situation that certainly I've never seen before.

00:10:15.000 And I'm a veteran of many, many outbreaks.

00:10:17.000 I've spoken at the WHO, et cetera.

00:10:21.000 And I've never seen anything like this coordinated all over the world.

00:10:26.000 And I get the same reaction from my peers.

00:10:30.000 This is highly, highly unusual what we're seeing.

00:10:33.000 It is clearly coordinated.

00:10:36.000 It involves big tech, pharma, government, the legacy media are all colluding.

00:10:44.000 I don't know another way to put it.

00:10:47.000 And it has truly become a threat to democracy as we know it and the rights of individuals to choose.

00:10:58.000 I mean, that's kind of what it comes down to, I think, at this point in my mind, is we're in a situation where we can accept totalitarianism or we can fight for the rights of individuals to make their own decisions, the right to choose.

00:11:16.000 And I think it's way bigger than the vaccine now.

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00:12:58.000 I want to read one of your quotes here for the audience.

00:13:01.000 The government is not being transparent with us about what the risks of the vaccine are.

00:13:08.000 And so I want to focus on that quote, but I also want you to explain to our audience what is, and I'm going to hopefully get this right, mRNA.

00:13:17.000 What is an mRNA vaccine?

00:13:20.000 What is the technology?

00:13:21.000 And what is a spike protein?

00:13:25.000 And let's do that all in 30 seconds.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:29.000 The beauty of the podcast, doctor, is you could take as long as you want.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.000 And I have on many occasions.

00:13:37.000 I tend to get a little long-winded on this topic.

00:13:40.000 And you and probably hopefully many of your viewers have seen some of those other podcasts.

00:13:46.000 So I'm going to try to go quick.

00:13:50.000 The central dogma of biology is that DNA makes RNA.

00:13:54.000 RNA makes protein.

00:13:56.000 Now let's talk about this scary word mRNA, this acronym.

00:14:00.000 What does that mean?

00:14:02.000 There are many different kinds of RNA.

00:14:04.000 What is RNA?

00:14:06.000 It's a great big long molecule.

00:14:08.000 You can think of it as like pearls on a pearl necklace.

00:14:13.000 And each pearl is a different letter, but there's only four letters.

00:14:17.000 Just like with your computer, there's only two, zeros and ones.

00:14:21.000 With the sequence that biology has selected or has been created, depending on how you see the world, there are four bases.

00:14:32.000 There are four chemical entities.

00:14:35.000 In DNA, those are ATGC.

00:14:38.000 In RNA, they're AUGC.

00:14:40.000 So U and T are kind of interchangeable.

00:14:45.000 And so it's a four-base code in a long string that's negatively charged.

00:14:51.000 And there are many different types of RNA.

00:14:55.000 There is RNA that's used to shuttle amino acids to the little bio-robot that does the manufacturing.

00:15:03.000 That's called transfer RNA.

00:15:06.000 There's RNA that is the scaffold about which the little biorobots that manufacture proteins are built, and that's called ribosomal RNA.

00:15:19.000 And then there's RNA that confers information from the DNA in the nucleus out to those little biorobots that manufacture proteins.

00:15:30.000 And that's called a message.

00:15:32.000 And so it's a messenger RNA or mRNA.

00:15:35.000 What is RNA?

00:15:37.000 The acronym is ribonucleic acid, RNA.

00:15:41.000 That's where that comes from.

00:15:42.000 And so it may sound spooky and scary and very different.

00:15:47.000 It's really dead easy.

00:15:49.000 It's messenger ribonucleic acid.

00:15:53.000 It's just an acronym for that.

00:15:54.000 Okay, so now let's talk about the vaccines.

00:15:57.000 So you can, traditional vaccines come in kind of two flavors.

00:16:03.000 One is a live attenuated virus.

00:16:05.000 Polio is an example of that, polio vaccine.

00:16:08.000 What is a live attenuated virus?

00:16:11.000 Well, if you can think, everybody knows about gain of function.

00:16:16.000 A attenuated virus is a loss of function.

00:16:20.000 You've tweaked the virus in some way genetically or through passaging it, like you would breed dogs over many years, right, or breed corn or whatever.

00:16:31.000 So passaging it, you can generate viruses that have defects that make it so they don't replicate very well, but they still replicate a little bit.

00:16:42.000 Or you can do that through fancy genetic engineering, like the kind of stuff that they probably did for the gain of function research, just to say.

00:16:50.000 Okay, so you can make live attenuated viruses.

00:16:55.000 Attenuated means they don't replicate as well.

00:16:58.000 One example of that that you probably know about is flu mist.

00:17:02.000 That's a live attenuated cold adapted influenza virus that only grows in your nose because the temperature in your nose is lower than the temperature of your body.

00:17:14.000 So yellow fever is another one, and the smallpox vaccine is another one.

00:17:18.000 So there are various forms of these live attenuated viruses that people have been taking literally for centuries.

00:17:26.000 And they work really good, but sometimes they can produce disease.

00:17:30.000 For instance, if you have the yellow fever vaccine is a nasty piece of work, and if you take it twice without any gaps, it can kill you because you basically get yellow fever.

00:17:42.000 So you have to just take just the right amount of this stuff.

00:17:46.000 So that's one form of traditional vaccine.

00:17:48.000 Another form of traditional vaccine is basically like you take a flu virus and you kill it.

00:17:55.000 And then you either purify it as killed virus using chemical killing or there's other methods, or you blow it apart with detergents and purify all the subunits and get those as a really pure mixture.

00:18:12.000 You mix it in with something called an aduant, an immunostimulatory thing like alum, and you jab that in your arm.

00:18:20.000 And you generate an immune response against that.

00:18:22.000 That's your flu vaccines, for example.

00:18:27.000 So those are kind of two general categories.

00:18:31.000 mRNA and DNA vaccines and adenoviral vectored vaccines, which is in a sense a form of a DNA vaccine, are all ways of taking genetic material that can be produced in a test tube and putting it directly into your cells.

00:18:50.000 And your cells become the manufacturing factory.

00:18:54.000 So instead of having a stainless steel bioreactor like you would brew beer in, and it's literally like you would brew beer in, that's a good metaphor.

00:19:04.000 There's more recent versions that are plastic bags that shake and rock and stuff like that.

00:19:09.000 But basically, it's like growing yeast to ferment beer.

00:19:16.000 You can use that technology to produce DNA or RNA or protein from cells.

00:19:23.000 Or you can make them synthetically, the DNA or the RNA, and put it into your body in such a way that it'll go into your cells and your cells become the manufacturing factories.

00:19:36.000 The adenovirus vectors like J and J and Santa Fe is not in the States Are cold viruses, double-stranded DNA-cold viruses, and they've had part of their genetic guts taken out so they don't replicate.

00:19:53.000 And instead, you swap in the genes for whatever it is that you want to make protein for, whatever antigen, whatever protein.

00:20:03.000 And so you can put the spike protein sequence into a cold virus, an adenovirus, and use that to infect you.

00:20:11.000 Take the jab and you get infected with that.

00:20:14.000 That tech is really good for long-term high-level expression of proteins.

00:20:19.000 It was just designed for gene therapy.

00:20:22.000 So that's the JJ vaccine.

00:20:24.000 Is that a traditional vaccine?

00:20:26.000 The answer is no, it's not.

00:20:29.000 Are there previously licensed vaccines using adenovirus vectors?

00:20:34.000 Yes, but they've never been widely deployed like these are.

00:20:38.000 Okay, so it is an experimental technology, the JJ product, but not as experimental as the mRNA.

00:20:47.000 The mRNA takes, remember I talked about that, it's like a string of pearls, and the string of pearls has information, and the information tells these little biorobots called ribosomes how to make proteins.

00:21:01.000 And in the case of these mRNA vaccines, that string of pearls will tell the little biorobots to make the spike protein. 0.93

00:21:11.000 We'll go into that in a minute.

00:21:12.000 You asked that question with a spike.

00:21:14.000 Okay, so the mRNA codes is prepared in a test tube.

00:21:23.000 It's in some cases, it has synthetic bases instead of the ewes. 0.99

00:21:30.000 Remember, I said uracil is in RNA.

00:21:33.000 So those are pseudo-uridines.

00:21:36.000 So those are fully synthetic, not normal bases in your body.

00:21:43.000 So you can produce that thing in various chemical processes and purify it, and then you coat it with a layer of a special fat and add some other things so that those particles don't glom onto each other.

00:22:03.000 And one of those things is polyethylene glycol.

00:22:06.000 So that's why the PEG is in there to keep these little particles of RNA wrapped in fats from sticking to each other and making great big particles that can cause problems.

00:22:18.000 And the fats that wrap around the RNA have been specially engineered so that the RNA fat complexes will stick to the surface of your cells and will slip through your cell membranes, releasing the RNA that can go straight to the ribosomes and start making protein, straight to those little factories.

00:22:42.000 So I hope that's the whirlwind tour.

00:22:46.000 But to try to demystify RNA vaccines, it may sound all very high-tech.

00:22:52.000 The honest truth is it's not so much.

00:22:54.000 There's some, you know, it's a lot like cooking, and there's some special recipes to make it work.

00:23:02.000 But once you know how to cook, then it's not very mysterious at all.

00:23:08.000 Hope that helps.

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00:25:22.000 Some people are afraid that a spike protein could then cause other issues beyond just the vaccine, right?

00:25:29.000 So you can talk about spike.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, so talk about what that is and why that's somewhat unusual to have involved in a vaccine.

00:25:39.000 So it's actually what is spike?

00:25:42.000 If you look at a coronavirus picture, we've all seen them because the media is constantly blasting us with all the fear, right?

00:25:50.000 And so you see a sphere and it's got little knobs sticking out of it.

00:25:58.000 Those little knobs stick out like that so that they can basically grab on to certain proteins on the surface of cells.

00:26:05.000 That makes sense.

00:26:06.000 They're like a you can think of them as a bunch of fish hooks all over the outside of the virus.

00:26:13.000 These fish hooks, remember we can we have a fish hook that's just a single hook, and then we have treble hooks, right?

00:26:22.000 You familiar with treble hooks?

00:26:23.000 Sometimes you use those for bass and things like that.

00:26:26.000 So that's the hook that has three different tines on it.

00:26:30.000 The reason why I say those treble hooks is because spike exists as three subunits that wrap that connect to each other.

00:26:42.000 And you can kind of think of each of those subunits as having something like a little catcher's glove that sits out above them.

00:26:51.000 A catcher's glove, let's say fielder's glove is a better metaphor.

00:26:54.000 Okay, fielder's glove has got a pocket in it for the ball.

00:26:58.000 Okay, that is the receptor binding domain.

00:27:01.000 Those things, just like a good fielder with a good wrist, they move around in space.

00:27:07.000 So there's three of these things, and they form kind of a tube.

00:27:12.000 And I can show you pictures, but we're not doing that right now.

00:27:16.000 We're not doing the slide thing.

00:27:18.000 But they form sort of a tube that goes from the virus out to the surface.

00:27:26.000 And basically, they're like a syringe.

00:27:30.000 Okay, they're a tube.

00:27:32.000 They form a tube.

00:27:33.000 These three things coming together in this treble hook.

00:27:36.000 And each of them has got a fielder's glove sitting on top.

00:27:40.000 That's the receptor binding domain, looking for a thing to grab onto, and they form a tube.

00:27:49.000 What's that tube for?

00:27:51.000 Well, what happens is that when spike identifies on the surface of a virus, identifies the ACE2 receptor, the little protein on your cells that it binds to, but those catcher gloves are engineered so they will just attach to that one protein for the most part.

00:28:13.000 Okay, as soon as it finds one of those things and those catcher gloves glom onto that, it undergoes a change.

00:28:21.000 And it's like somebody pushed the back end of a syringe, plunger on a syringe.

00:28:28.000 Well, what is it squirting?

00:28:29.000 And the spike assembly is the needle.

00:28:34.000 So these things grab onto your cell, they pull the virus close to the cell, and then they literally inject the RNA from the virus into your cell.

00:28:47.000 That's how spike works.

00:28:49.000 Okay, pretty cool.

00:28:51.000 It all, you know, it's intense, little molecular, teeny tiny stuff, but that's how it works.

00:28:56.000 That's what Spike is: basically a biologic syringe that injects things from the injects the RNA of the virus into your cells, and that's how the virus infects your cells.

00:29:09.000 So it turns out that isn't the only thing that spike does.

00:29:12.000 Spike has a lot of different activities, and the fact that it binds to this ACE2 receptor, this ACE2 receptor controls a whole bunch of stuff in your body, like your blood pressure.

00:29:21.000 It's one of the most important proteins in your body for regulating your general well-being, blood pressure, anything else.

00:29:32.000 So spike also has this characteristic that it can cause cells to fuse.

00:29:39.000 And we've learned, they didn't really appreciate it back in the day when they designed these vaccines.

00:29:47.000 Spike is toxic to cells, directly toxic.

00:29:51.000 It does a lot of things.

00:29:53.000 Now, the cases made, the fact checkers will attack, saying, well, this isn't the wild-type spike.

00:30:00.000 Yes, the wild-type spike that's on a virus is toxic, but nobody's shown that this engineered spike that has only two amino acid mutations in the whole thing, okay, and they're in that catcher's glove part, not the main part of the protein.

00:30:17.000 The fact checkers will say, ooh, you haven't proven that the spike on the vaccines is toxic.

00:30:27.000 And so my response to that is, well, it's true.

00:30:31.000 It hasn't been proven.

00:30:33.000 And bad on the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA for not having tested that directly, because we should know that before we start jabbing these things into people.

00:30:44.000 It's one of the big things that wasn't done.

00:30:48.000 And I think it was a rush.

00:30:50.000 I think there's a whole lot of hubris going on.

00:30:54.000 Sometimes people think that they're so smart that they can cut corners.

00:31:00.000 In my experience, I've seen that from time to time.

00:31:02.000 Maybe you have too.

00:31:04.000 And that seems to have happened here.

00:31:08.000 I can't come, you know, was this an intentional tool to depopulate the world?

00:31:14.000 I sure hope not.

00:31:18.000 I think that more likely the explanation for a lot of this goofiness is a combination of arrogance, hubris, and just Groupthink, people not challenging each other and not doing it right when they were supposed to, not doing all the right tests, not testing where this thing goes, how long it produces protein, how much is being made, how long it lasts,

00:31:44.000 all this stuff that normally I would have to do if I was developing a new product.

00:31:50.000 For some reason, they gave Pfizer, Moderna, and Jay and Jabeb great big pass on all this.

00:31:55.000 So you can speculate as to what went on there.

00:31:58.000 But that's how we got into this situation: they kind of rushed this thing out.

00:32:03.000 And now we have to live with the consequences.

00:32:06.000 And it's become, no matter what the fact checkers say, the lovely thing about biology and medicine is that no matter how important you are, no matter what your credentials are, eventually the data will come out.

00:32:21.000 And so I ended up saying on that famous Brett Weinstein podcast, spike is a toxin.

00:32:30.000 And they jumped all over me for that.

00:32:33.000 But in fact, the native spike protein is absolutely a toxin.

00:32:38.000 There's no, it's unequivocal.

00:32:41.000 And as time has gone by, even though the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA didn't do their job and test whether or not it's safe, it's pretty clear to everybody that it's not safe.

00:32:53.000 And so, you know, is this normal vaccine development behavior?

00:33:01.000 No, it's not.

00:33:04.000 Everything has been rushed, even though they deny that it was rushed.

00:33:08.000 They say, oh, we cut no corners.

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00:35:44.000 So, based on all the data you've seen and using your experience, and you might be the most qualified person to talk about this, how dangerous is this vaccine, truly?

00:35:55.000 So, that is still a matter of considerable controversy.

00:35:59.000 And you have to, one of the problems is that there has been both intentional and unintentional censoring and editing and misrepresentation of the data on safety.

00:36:18.000 You can, let's just call it what it is.

00:36:20.000 It's propaganda.

00:36:22.000 And so, it's really, we cannot, and by the FDA's own admission, the systems that the CDC set up to monitor safety are inadequate.

00:36:35.000 They said this flat out in the licensing letter for Commernity, the quote, licensed vaccine that no one in the United States has ever seen.

00:36:45.000 And there seems to be no intention in making it available.

00:36:48.000 But with that, quote, license letter that the Biden administration put out, basically, so they could justify jabbing the military personnel and the federal workers.

00:37:00.000 There is a clear and explicit statement by the FDA that the CDC system, the Bayer system, and their other databases are inadequate to monitor safety.

00:37:09.000 And so, they explicitly told BioNTech/slash Pfizer that they were going to have to do prospective studies to monitor safety on three key areas: children, pediatric vaccines, safety in pregnancy, and birth defects.

00:37:27.000 So, when you see, when you hear the U.S. government saying, oh, it's all fine, you know, we know that it's safe and 100% safe and effective, that's when you know they're lying.

00:37:39.000 That's just one example.

00:37:42.000 And when they tell you that it's safe to use it in pregnancy, well, the answer to that is, show me the data proving that it's safe in pregnancy.

00:37:50.000 And the answer is they don't have it.

00:37:53.000 So, that's just another case of wishful thinking, I think, is the kindest way to put it.

00:37:59.000 So, spike is a toxin.

00:38:02.000 I've explained what it is, what it does on the virus.

00:38:07.000 It does circulate in your bloodstream after you have received the jab.

00:38:12.000 It gets cut loose from the cells.

00:38:14.000 Those data are clearly published in a paper that came out of Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital, and that was in a bunch of nurses.

00:38:27.000 That was early on and really got a lot of people's attention.

00:38:34.000 So, spike circulates in your body, as do these complexes, and they go to various parts of your body.

00:38:44.000 Are they toxin there?

00:38:46.000 Do they affect it?

00:38:47.000 Are they directly damaging your blood-brain barrier?

00:38:51.000 Are they directly damaging your bone marrow?

00:38:53.000 Are they directly damaging the ovaries of women? 0.96

00:38:58.000 Remember, it's important, these lipids do go to the ovaries, they concentrate there to a remarkably high extent.

00:39:08.000 Is that associated with changes in fertility and birth defects?

00:39:12.000 Hmm, we don't know because they didn't do the studies.

00:39:14.000 That's the honest answer.

00:39:17.000 But it's important to remember as we think about jabbing the kids, which is what's being pushed right now.

00:39:25.000 Young girls have all of the eggs that they're ever going to have. 1.00

00:39:29.000 They're born with them. 0.89

00:39:32.000 Okay?

00:39:33.000 It's not like sperm where you're continually regenerating more. 0.72

00:39:38.000 In girls, that's it. 1.00

00:39:41.000 They get that shot, and that's it. 0.57

00:39:43.000 That's why they go through menopause as they run out of eggs. 0.99

00:39:49.000 So those eggs, if they're getting hit with catamic lipids, with these fats that coat the RNA, synthetic fats, at age five or eight or 11 or 15, they're going to impact.

00:40:08.000 If they have an impact, that impact is going to last the rest of the life of that young woman.

00:40:13.000 So it seems kind of important that we ought to know about whether or not that's a problem before we start doing it.

00:40:21.000 Now, I've given you a whole bunch of stuff there.

00:40:23.000 Well, yeah, so, and I want to be respectful of your time.

00:40:26.000 So I have, we have a couple minutes remaining, but it's okay.

00:40:29.000 I want to ask you two remaining questions, if that's okay.

00:40:33.000 Well, we could do one if you're tied on time because I know that you probably are stacked with.

00:40:37.000 I'm okay.

00:40:38.000 It's up to you.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, so let's try to go five or ten more minutes because I have two important questions.

00:40:43.000 So the first question I just want to reiterate is: based on what you're seeing through data and what you're seeing anecdotally and otherwise, are we seeing a correlation in two things?

00:40:56.000 Which is the more we vaccinate, are we also seeing a spike in COVID rates?

00:41:01.000 Do you think that that argument could be tied together?

00:41:04.000 And then, secondarily, are we seeing a suspicious increase in other adverse events, such as increase of hospitalizations for non-COVID?

00:41:13.000 Do you think the vaccine's playing into that, or do you not have enough data to come to that conclusion yet?

00:41:20.000 So, I have to stay data-based.

00:41:23.000 And as you've correctly identified two key hot issues, and one of them relates to vaccine-enhanced disease, something that the FDA has been concerned about.

00:41:37.000 They call it antibody-dependent enhancement, which is one subset of vaccine-enhanced disease.

00:41:43.000 And there's vaccine-enhanced disease of the SARS-CoV-2 infection, in other words, enhanced COVID, COVID.

00:41:52.000 And then there is the potential effects on other things.

00:41:58.000 And then there's the side effects of the JAB, such as the myocarditis and the central nervous system, brain fog, and the autoimmune disease with Guillain-Barre, and the anti-platelet antibodies, and a bunch of other things, some of which we still don't know.

00:42:20.000 And there is the reactivation of latent DNA viruses in your body, which is a common side effect.

00:42:26.000 It's the second most common to the myocarditis.

00:42:32.000 Why am I focusing on that reactivation of DNA viruses like shingles, Epstein-Barr virus, mononucleosis, herpes, cytomegalovirus?

00:42:45.000 It goes on and on.

00:42:46.000 These are all DNA viruses that many of us carry.

00:42:51.000 And they're kept in their box.

00:42:53.000 They're kept suppressed by your T cells, which is one arm of your adaptive immune system.

00:43:00.000 It seems that after taking the jab, there's some period of time where these viruses are escaping their usual immunosuppression, their usual being contained, pushed down by the T cells.

00:43:16.000 Something is letting the top off the box and they're getting out.

00:43:23.000 The evidence is increasingly that that thing that's letting those viruses get out of the box is alterations in your T cell biology having to do with signaling molecules called tole like receptors and the associated pathways.

00:43:40.000 Okay, why does that matter?

00:43:43.000 Because the other thing that those T cells do, in addition to keeping DNA viruses in their box, is they suppress cancers.

00:43:53.000 And so we're seeing a spike in uterine cancer and many other types of cancers that are unusual and usually aggressive.

00:44:00.000 That's worrisome.

00:44:02.000 So we do seem to be seeing some unusual effects.

00:44:06.000 Now, why would we care about this in the context of your question about other infections, other diseases?

00:44:13.000 It seems that there's a period of time, we're not really sure how long, and it may be two different waves, where after you receive the vaccine, you are relatively immunosuppressed.

00:44:25.000 That leads to two situations.

00:44:27.000 If you're out in rural America like I am, where I live on a 45-acre horse farm, I don't see a whole lot of people from day to day.

00:44:35.000 And the chance that I'm going to get encountering the virus after I've taken the jab is pretty low.

00:44:41.000 If you live in Manhattan, where there's a whole lot of circulating virus and a really dense population of people, and you're walking on the sidewalk and you're running into people all the time, the chance that you're going to encounter virus is pretty high.

00:44:55.000 So if you encounter a virus while you're immunosuppressed, then you're in a better situation for getting disease, not only from SARS-CoV-2, but from other viruses.

00:45:05.000 So what are we seeing?

00:45:07.000 These paradoxical surges in certain virus diseases, like respiratory syncytial virus.

00:45:14.000 Remember when the mainstream press was all, oh my God, all the kids are filling up all the hospitals.

00:45:20.000 It wasn't so long ago, right?

00:45:22.000 Oh, in the South, you know, it was all about the red states. 0.87

00:45:25.000 The South is, you know, because they haven't been jabbed, they're filling up all the hospitals.

00:45:29.000 Well, the truth is that all those kids had respiratory syncytial virus.

00:45:34.000 There's something that was making them more susceptible to RSB and the adults too.

00:45:39.000 So there does seem to be something going on.

00:45:43.000 We still don't got our hands on it, that is causing some immunosuppression, leading to a situation where people may be more susceptible to other pathogens, not just to SARS-CoV-2, during this period of immunosuppression.

00:45:58.000 And we don't really know how long that is going on.

00:46:01.000 And then we also have this emerging, you know, case reports from physicians and oncologists suggesting that they believe that they're seeing unusual cancers at unusual stages in life that are unusually aggressive.

00:46:17.000 All this is a little bit worrisome.

00:46:19.000 The hard part is to tear apart what is the effect of the virus and what's the effect of the vaccine because we're all getting both things at the same time, or many of us are.

00:46:31.000 And so it's hard to sort chicken from the egg here.

00:46:36.000 And so I hope that's helped you, helped answer your question to the extent that I can.

00:46:41.000 Do I think something's going on?

00:46:43.000 Yeah, I think something's going on that's not right.

00:46:47.000 Are we sure about what it is yet?

00:46:50.000 No.

00:46:51.000 Am I worried about it?

00:46:53.000 Yeah, I've been concerned about enhanced disease from these vaccines from the outset.

00:46:59.000 So, I have one final question, and that was very helpful.

00:47:01.000 Thank you.

00:47:02.000 The final question is this: Is that you've been in this industry for decades?

00:47:07.000 You are a data-first person.

00:47:08.000 You have no bias.

00:47:09.000 You have no political agenda.

00:47:11.000 You have no motivation to go up against the pharmaceutical companies.

00:47:14.000 You go where the data and where your reason leads you.

00:47:17.000 Can you comment to our audience kind of how you are navigating all of a sudden being characterized as a villain because you dare ask questions just yourself personally, but also what is your personal?

00:47:33.000 How are you processing all of this that the most powerful institutions seem to be so against what is so obviously happening in real time?

00:47:43.000 I'm not sure if this is making sense, but it's totally making sense.

00:47:47.000 All right, okay.

00:47:48.000 I know exactly what you're talking about.

00:47:49.000 Please, please.

00:47:50.000 So, just the recent example, Bobby Kennedy's book, okay?

00:47:55.000 It's now basically at the top of the bestsellers for Amazon.

00:47:59.000 This is the book on Anthony Fauci.

00:48:04.000 And so, this is an extensively researched book.

00:48:09.000 Bobby just really worked super hard.

00:48:14.000 And then I got to review it and edit it, and so did many others.

00:48:19.000 Very, very well written, very well documented, footnoted.

00:48:23.000 There is no major press reviewing the book.

00:48:30.000 New York Times won't review it.

00:48:33.000 Amazon won't let the publisher advertise it.

00:48:36.000 They're carrying it, but they won't let him advertise it.

00:48:40.000 Any attempts to talk about it are suppressed.

00:48:43.000 It's not covered in any of the legacy media, okay?

00:48:47.000 And yet, it's obvious that it should be discussed.

00:48:49.000 Robert is raising really substantial, well-documented concerns about corruption in the government, and yet we can't talk about it.

00:48:58.000 That's just the most recent.

00:49:00.000 You know, your audience will understand and remember all of this craziness about ivermectin being a horse drug.

00:49:09.000 I mean, if there was anything that was more, if your eyes weren't opened after that, then you're hypnotized.

00:49:18.000 And I say that, you know, that's that's I don't just say that lightly.

00:49:23.000 How do I deal with it?

00:49:27.000 I'm a scientist, and I have often bucked the trend.

00:49:34.000 I mean, the whole idea of RNA and DNA vaccines was heresy.

00:49:40.000 Right?

00:49:42.000 So, I have the benefit of 30 years of often being about five years ahead of my time, which is kind of a pain in the can, by the way.

00:49:55.000 I hate it when venture capitalists come back to me and say, Oh, I should have funded your company back then.

00:50:02.000 It is really not very helpful.

00:50:03.000 I don't want to hear those words, okay?

00:50:05.000 But I've had it a bunch of times in my life.

00:50:08.000 I've been right again and again and again.

00:50:11.000 And so, it gives me confidence in my ability to think and see the data and make sense out of things.

00:50:20.000 So, that gives me a certain comfort, and it's my armor.

00:50:25.000 In addition, frankly, I have a wife and co-worker of over 40 years.

00:50:34.000 I live on a small farm.

00:50:36.000 I raise horses, and I kind of don't care.

00:50:40.000 You know, so when the Atlantic writes their nasty little piece about me that was intended to take me down, and the fact checkers that have not even undergraduate degrees in biology write their little nasties, right?

00:50:56.000 Because they're all paid to do this.

00:50:58.000 I look at that and I say, well, that's fun.

00:51:01.000 Let's go back and see how that stands the test of time in six months.

00:51:05.000 And I think most of those things, if you go back and look at them, you're like, ooh, what?

00:51:11.000 You know, what he said was right.

00:51:14.000 So that, that, I mean, the metaphor of my armor, I think I, you know, my sword and armor, my sword is my mind and my ability to perceive accurately.

00:51:28.000 And my armor is the knowledge that I have friends, supporters.

00:51:32.000 I've been through these things.

00:51:34.000 I've been a heretic.

00:51:36.000 I've been a whistleblower.

00:51:38.000 And I've been right again and again and again.

00:51:41.000 Not that I'm always right.

00:51:43.000 And I also have a lot of friends.

00:51:47.000 And one of the things I've learned is that, yeah, these media outlets will attack you and they will do nasty stuff and say nasty stuff.

00:51:57.000 Some of my physician buddies are always aghast at this.

00:51:59.000 They think they still think the world is fair.

00:52:02.000 I got over that a long time ago.

00:52:05.000 That's a very important point, though.

00:52:06.000 That really is.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:09.000 So, I mean, I was a farmer and a carpenter before I was a physician and a scientist.

00:52:14.000 Okay.

00:52:15.000 I've been poor.

00:52:16.000 There was a period of time where I lived off a roadkill.

00:52:23.000 It's not been an easy road for me and for my wife.

00:52:27.000 And yet here we are.

00:52:29.000 And that gives you a certain amount of confidence and faith in yourself.

00:52:34.000 And I think that that's something we can all take away.

00:52:37.000 And I think it's something that rural America really brings to the table here.

00:52:45.000 And it just breaks my heart to see what's happened to small town USA with the rise of Big Ag and all that.

00:52:54.000 I agree.

00:52:54.000 But I think that, you know, the wisdom of the small farmer and the tradesman and the laborer is something that we should not forget.

00:53:07.000 And I don't forget it.

00:53:09.000 And I think this is one of the things I get a lot of feedback.

00:53:12.000 It's constantly amazing to me.

00:53:14.000 Why do people want to listen to me on podcasts?

00:53:17.000 And it is.

00:53:19.000 I'm being sincere.

00:53:21.000 What is it?

00:53:22.000 And so I'm constantly saying, you know, why do you want to talk to me?

00:53:26.000 And what is it you get out of this?

00:53:27.000 What I hear back is that people really like that I don't talk down to them.

00:53:32.000 That's true.

00:53:33.000 And I try to make things understandable.

00:53:38.000 And I don't judge them wherever they come from.

00:53:42.000 And I like to say, look, guys, I live in a purple state in a red county and I run a small farm and I've got to get along with everybody.

00:53:51.000 I got to get along with the tractor dealership.

00:53:54.000 I got to get along with a guy that makes my alfalfa.

00:53:58.000 And I also got to drive up the road to DC and deal with that whole kabuki theater.

00:54:05.000 So, you know, I got to, I live in a lot of different worlds.

00:54:10.000 And I've found over time that your friends will sustain you.

00:54:16.000 And I've had setbacks.

00:54:17.000 I've been fired from jobs.

00:54:20.000 And every time my friends help pick me up and they give me strength.

00:54:29.000 And if that's something I can close on, you know, build community.

00:54:34.000 That's what's gone wrong here.

00:54:36.000 That's what's really gone wrong is we are fundamentally sick as a culture because we've lost our connections with each other.

00:54:45.000 And the folks that are picking our pocket right now and getting rich on us like it that way.

00:54:54.000 They like us all divided against each other.

00:54:57.000 And the more we play into that, the more they like it.

00:55:02.000 Well, I totally agree.

00:55:03.000 They're in a situation, we call it rent-seeking behavior.

00:55:07.000 This is the new business model on Wall Street and in the big investment funds.

00:55:13.000 They want things that gives them a monthly check.

00:55:16.000 They want to pick our pocket not once.

00:55:18.000 They want to pick it every month or in the case of these vaccines, every six months.

00:55:23.000 That's right.

00:55:23.000 That is the honest truth.

00:55:25.000 That's right.

00:55:26.000 And so what we've got now is vaccines as rent-seeking behavior from big pharma and their corporate masters, which are these huge investment funds that also control the media and control big tech.

00:55:42.000 And it goes on and on and on.

00:55:45.000 And how we're going to break this stranglehold, I don't know, but it's not going to be done by people in Wall Street.

00:55:54.000 It's got to be done by people that wake up and say, just like you said, you had that feeling early on.

00:56:02.000 This isn't right.

00:56:03.000 Something here is not right.

00:56:05.000 And when you have that feeling, I suggest you listen to it because it's usually right.

00:56:14.000 It's instinct.

00:56:15.000 Some would call it common sense.

00:56:17.000 Dr. Malone, thank you so much for joining us.

00:56:19.000 This was terrific.

00:56:20.000 Thank you for all you're doing for truth and for reason.

00:56:24.000 It's rare.

00:56:25.000 So thank you so much.

00:56:27.000 My pleasure.

00:56:28.000 Bye-bye.

00:56:29.000 Thanks so much.

00:56:32.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 26, 2021

My Conversation with Inventor of mRNA Vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone

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