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00:02:27.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:30.000I am thrilled and in fact honored to have with us today Dr. Robert W. Malone, who is the chief medical and regulatory officer of the Unity Project, which can be found at unityprojectonline.com.
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00:03:00.000Dr. Malone, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:03:11.000I first was made aware of you and your work when you joined Brett Weinstein on his podcast, all the way back in April or May or June, if I remember correctly.
00:03:30.000And I was very interested in that conversation.
00:03:34.000And I've watched hours of your footage since because it seemed that you were confirming some of the suspicion that I had and skepticism I had towards the current rollout and the vaccine that we are now being, you know, in some ways forced to take.
00:03:51.000Please establish your background in vaccine technology.
00:03:55.000The original inventor of MRNA and DNA vaccines, and talk about why and how you got concerned about this, and we'll go from there.
00:04:11.000UC Davis Biochemistry, Bachelor's in Science, UC San Diego and the Salk Institute, Masters in Biology, MD from Northwestern University in Chicago, fellowships, research fellowships at UC Davis, and a postdoctoral fellowship at Harvard Medical School for Global Clinical Scholars Research Training.
00:04:40.000That was just a few years ago to kind of tighten up all of my credentials having to do with clinical research, regulatory affairs, and all that stuff.
00:04:51.000Also, completed an internship, medical internship at UC Davis.
00:04:56.000I'm a licensed physician in the state of Maryland.
00:04:59.000I did invent the core platform technology that gave rise to these vaccines.
00:05:08.000And I'm a little aggravated at what's been done with these vaccines and what's happened to the technology.
00:05:14.000But I've had an extensive academic career, taught pathology at UC Davis and New Maryland, Baltimore, and also was an associate professor at the Uniform Services University of the Health Sciences.
00:05:30.000You can look up all the papers and the many patents through, if you look on Google Scholar, is a site, so you can just Google Google Scholar, and I'm having trouble with that, just like you were with the mRNA, with my name on it.
00:05:45.000And you'll see the over 100 papers and 12,600 plus academic citations for the work, blah, blah, blah.
00:05:55.000And then I'm basically a vaccine developer specialist times 30 years.
00:06:03.000I had a stupid amount of training in this and deep experience.
00:06:10.000And what's a little odd about me is my experience cuts across small biotech, big pharma, U.S. government, particularly the Department of Defense and the NIAD.
00:06:24.000I won over $8 billion, won or managed over $8 billion in grants and contracts relating to biodefense and vaccine development with the NIH and with the Department of Defense.
00:06:37.000I still work closely with the Department of Defense.
00:06:40.000We have three clinical trials about to launch.
00:06:46.000I'm supporting a developer that's building a second generation vaccine for this disease.
00:06:52.000I was really a key leader in bringing forward the Ebola vaccine that we now call the Merck Ebola vaccine.
00:07:01.000I actually got Merck involved in that project.
00:07:05.000I've worked on many, many different vaccines and biodefense products, drug repurposing, particularly for Zika, and now for this particular outbreak.
00:07:18.000And I'm kind of an independent consultant, but very much an insider, particularly with the government.
00:07:28.000And what led me to this point was this really a series of odd events of which the Dark Horse podcast is one.
00:07:38.000I really never understood the power of the podcast until that happened and my Twitter account exploded.
00:08:01.000And yeah, so what really kicked it off was I got really unhappy, uncomfortable with what was going on with the mandates, as well as the rushed aspect of the vaccine development.
00:08:21.000And I knew that a lot of rules were being broken, fundamental rules of bioethics and fundamental rules of how products are supposed to be developed, vaccine products, et cetera, to ensure safety.
00:08:33.000I have deep background in regulatory affairs and I know the way things are supposed to go.
00:10:47.000And it has truly become a threat to democracy as we know it and the rights of individuals to choose.
00:10:58.000I mean, that's kind of what it comes down to, I think, at this point in my mind, is we're in a situation where we can accept totalitarianism or we can fight for the rights of individuals to make their own decisions, the right to choose.
00:11:16.000And I think it's way bigger than the vaccine now.
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00:12:58.000I want to read one of your quotes here for the audience.
00:13:01.000The government is not being transparent with us about what the risks of the vaccine are.
00:13:08.000And so I want to focus on that quote, but I also want you to explain to our audience what is, and I'm going to hopefully get this right, mRNA.
00:16:11.000Well, if you can think, everybody knows about gain of function.
00:16:16.000A attenuated virus is a loss of function.
00:16:20.000You've tweaked the virus in some way genetically or through passaging it, like you would breed dogs over many years, right, or breed corn or whatever.
00:16:31.000So passaging it, you can generate viruses that have defects that make it so they don't replicate very well, but they still replicate a little bit.
00:16:42.000Or you can do that through fancy genetic engineering, like the kind of stuff that they probably did for the gain of function research, just to say.
00:16:50.000Okay, so you can make live attenuated viruses.
00:16:55.000Attenuated means they don't replicate as well.
00:16:58.000One example of that that you probably know about is flu mist.
00:17:02.000That's a live attenuated cold adapted influenza virus that only grows in your nose because the temperature in your nose is lower than the temperature of your body.
00:17:14.000So yellow fever is another one, and the smallpox vaccine is another one.
00:17:18.000So there are various forms of these live attenuated viruses that people have been taking literally for centuries.
00:17:26.000And they work really good, but sometimes they can produce disease.
00:17:30.000For instance, if you have the yellow fever vaccine is a nasty piece of work, and if you take it twice without any gaps, it can kill you because you basically get yellow fever.
00:17:42.000So you have to just take just the right amount of this stuff.
00:17:46.000So that's one form of traditional vaccine.
00:17:48.000Another form of traditional vaccine is basically like you take a flu virus and you kill it.
00:17:55.000And then you either purify it as killed virus using chemical killing or there's other methods, or you blow it apart with detergents and purify all the subunits and get those as a really pure mixture.
00:18:12.000You mix it in with something called an aduant, an immunostimulatory thing like alum, and you jab that in your arm.
00:18:20.000And you generate an immune response against that.
00:18:22.000That's your flu vaccines, for example.
00:18:27.000So those are kind of two general categories.
00:18:31.000mRNA and DNA vaccines and adenoviral vectored vaccines, which is in a sense a form of a DNA vaccine, are all ways of taking genetic material that can be produced in a test tube and putting it directly into your cells.
00:18:50.000And your cells become the manufacturing factory.
00:18:54.000So instead of having a stainless steel bioreactor like you would brew beer in, and it's literally like you would brew beer in, that's a good metaphor.
00:19:04.000There's more recent versions that are plastic bags that shake and rock and stuff like that.
00:19:09.000But basically, it's like growing yeast to ferment beer.
00:19:16.000You can use that technology to produce DNA or RNA or protein from cells.
00:19:23.000Or you can make them synthetically, the DNA or the RNA, and put it into your body in such a way that it'll go into your cells and your cells become the manufacturing factories.
00:19:36.000The adenovirus vectors like J and J and Santa Fe is not in the States Are cold viruses, double-stranded DNA-cold viruses, and they've had part of their genetic guts taken out so they don't replicate.
00:19:53.000And instead, you swap in the genes for whatever it is that you want to make protein for, whatever antigen, whatever protein.
00:20:03.000And so you can put the spike protein sequence into a cold virus, an adenovirus, and use that to infect you.
00:20:11.000Take the jab and you get infected with that.
00:20:14.000That tech is really good for long-term high-level expression of proteins.
00:20:19.000It was just designed for gene therapy.
00:20:29.000Are there previously licensed vaccines using adenovirus vectors?
00:20:34.000Yes, but they've never been widely deployed like these are.
00:20:38.000Okay, so it is an experimental technology, the JJ product, but not as experimental as the mRNA.
00:20:47.000The mRNA takes, remember I talked about that, it's like a string of pearls, and the string of pearls has information, and the information tells these little biorobots called ribosomes how to make proteins.
00:21:01.000And in the case of these mRNA vaccines, that string of pearls will tell the little biorobots to make the spike protein.
00:21:36.000So those are fully synthetic, not normal bases in your body.
00:21:43.000So you can produce that thing in various chemical processes and purify it, and then you coat it with a layer of a special fat and add some other things so that those particles don't glom onto each other.
00:22:03.000And one of those things is polyethylene glycol.
00:22:06.000So that's why the PEG is in there to keep these little particles of RNA wrapped in fats from sticking to each other and making great big particles that can cause problems.
00:22:18.000And the fats that wrap around the RNA have been specially engineered so that the RNA fat complexes will stick to the surface of your cells and will slip through your cell membranes, releasing the RNA that can go straight to the ribosomes and start making protein, straight to those little factories.
00:27:51.000Well, what happens is that when spike identifies on the surface of a virus, identifies the ACE2 receptor, the little protein on your cells that it binds to, but those catcher gloves are engineered so they will just attach to that one protein for the most part.
00:28:13.000Okay, as soon as it finds one of those things and those catcher gloves glom onto that, it undergoes a change.
00:28:21.000And it's like somebody pushed the back end of a syringe, plunger on a syringe.
00:28:34.000So these things grab onto your cell, they pull the virus close to the cell, and then they literally inject the RNA from the virus into your cell.
00:28:51.000It all, you know, it's intense, little molecular, teeny tiny stuff, but that's how it works.
00:28:56.000That's what Spike is: basically a biologic syringe that injects things from the injects the RNA of the virus into your cells, and that's how the virus infects your cells.
00:29:09.000So it turns out that isn't the only thing that spike does.
00:29:12.000Spike has a lot of different activities, and the fact that it binds to this ACE2 receptor, this ACE2 receptor controls a whole bunch of stuff in your body, like your blood pressure.
00:29:21.000It's one of the most important proteins in your body for regulating your general well-being, blood pressure, anything else.
00:29:32.000So spike also has this characteristic that it can cause cells to fuse.
00:29:39.000And we've learned, they didn't really appreciate it back in the day when they designed these vaccines.
00:29:47.000Spike is toxic to cells, directly toxic.
00:29:53.000Now, the cases made, the fact checkers will attack, saying, well, this isn't the wild-type spike.
00:30:00.000Yes, the wild-type spike that's on a virus is toxic, but nobody's shown that this engineered spike that has only two amino acid mutations in the whole thing, okay, and they're in that catcher's glove part, not the main part of the protein.
00:30:17.000The fact checkers will say, ooh, you haven't proven that the spike on the vaccines is toxic.
00:30:27.000And so my response to that is, well, it's true.
00:30:33.000And bad on the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA for not having tested that directly, because we should know that before we start jabbing these things into people.
00:30:44.000It's one of the big things that wasn't done.
00:31:18.000I think that more likely the explanation for a lot of this goofiness is a combination of arrogance, hubris, and just Groupthink, people not challenging each other and not doing it right when they were supposed to, not doing all the right tests, not testing where this thing goes, how long it produces protein, how much is being made, how long it lasts,
00:31:44.000all this stuff that normally I would have to do if I was developing a new product.
00:31:50.000For some reason, they gave Pfizer, Moderna, and Jay and Jabeb great big pass on all this.
00:31:55.000So you can speculate as to what went on there.
00:31:58.000But that's how we got into this situation: they kind of rushed this thing out.
00:32:03.000And now we have to live with the consequences.
00:32:06.000And it's become, no matter what the fact checkers say, the lovely thing about biology and medicine is that no matter how important you are, no matter what your credentials are, eventually the data will come out.
00:32:21.000And so I ended up saying on that famous Brett Weinstein podcast, spike is a toxin.
00:32:41.000And as time has gone by, even though the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA didn't do their job and test whether or not it's safe, it's pretty clear to everybody that it's not safe.
00:32:53.000And so, you know, is this normal vaccine development behavior?
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00:35:44.000So, based on all the data you've seen and using your experience, and you might be the most qualified person to talk about this, how dangerous is this vaccine, truly?
00:35:55.000So, that is still a matter of considerable controversy.
00:35:59.000And you have to, one of the problems is that there has been both intentional and unintentional censoring and editing and misrepresentation of the data on safety.
00:36:18.000You can, let's just call it what it is.
00:36:22.000And so, it's really, we cannot, and by the FDA's own admission, the systems that the CDC set up to monitor safety are inadequate.
00:36:35.000They said this flat out in the licensing letter for Commernity, the quote, licensed vaccine that no one in the United States has ever seen.
00:36:45.000And there seems to be no intention in making it available.
00:36:48.000But with that, quote, license letter that the Biden administration put out, basically, so they could justify jabbing the military personnel and the federal workers.
00:37:00.000There is a clear and explicit statement by the FDA that the CDC system, the Bayer system, and their other databases are inadequate to monitor safety.
00:37:09.000And so, they explicitly told BioNTech/slash Pfizer that they were going to have to do prospective studies to monitor safety on three key areas: children, pediatric vaccines, safety in pregnancy, and birth defects.
00:37:27.000So, when you see, when you hear the U.S. government saying, oh, it's all fine, you know, we know that it's safe and 100% safe and effective, that's when you know they're lying.
00:37:42.000And when they tell you that it's safe to use it in pregnancy, well, the answer to that is, show me the data proving that it's safe in pregnancy.
00:38:14.000Those data are clearly published in a paper that came out of Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital, and that was in a bunch of nurses.
00:38:27.000That was early on and really got a lot of people's attention.
00:38:34.000So, spike circulates in your body, as do these complexes, and they go to various parts of your body.
00:39:43.000That's why they go through menopause as they run out of eggs.
00:39:49.000So those eggs, if they're getting hit with catamic lipids, with these fats that coat the RNA, synthetic fats, at age five or eight or 11 or 15, they're going to impact.
00:40:08.000If they have an impact, that impact is going to last the rest of the life of that young woman.
00:40:13.000So it seems kind of important that we ought to know about whether or not that's a problem before we start doing it.
00:40:21.000Now, I've given you a whole bunch of stuff there.
00:40:23.000Well, yeah, so, and I want to be respectful of your time.
00:40:26.000So I have, we have a couple minutes remaining, but it's okay.
00:40:29.000I want to ask you two remaining questions, if that's okay.
00:40:33.000Well, we could do one if you're tied on time because I know that you probably are stacked with.
00:40:39.000Yeah, so let's try to go five or ten more minutes because I have two important questions.
00:40:43.000So the first question I just want to reiterate is: based on what you're seeing through data and what you're seeing anecdotally and otherwise, are we seeing a correlation in two things?
00:40:56.000Which is the more we vaccinate, are we also seeing a spike in COVID rates?
00:41:01.000Do you think that that argument could be tied together?
00:41:04.000And then, secondarily, are we seeing a suspicious increase in other adverse events, such as increase of hospitalizations for non-COVID?
00:41:13.000Do you think the vaccine's playing into that, or do you not have enough data to come to that conclusion yet?
00:41:23.000And as you've correctly identified two key hot issues, and one of them relates to vaccine-enhanced disease, something that the FDA has been concerned about.
00:41:37.000They call it antibody-dependent enhancement, which is one subset of vaccine-enhanced disease.
00:41:43.000And there's vaccine-enhanced disease of the SARS-CoV-2 infection, in other words, enhanced COVID, COVID.
00:41:52.000And then there is the potential effects on other things.
00:41:58.000And then there's the side effects of the JAB, such as the myocarditis and the central nervous system, brain fog, and the autoimmune disease with Guillain-Barre, and the anti-platelet antibodies, and a bunch of other things, some of which we still don't know.
00:42:20.000And there is the reactivation of latent DNA viruses in your body, which is a common side effect.
00:42:26.000It's the second most common to the myocarditis.
00:42:32.000Why am I focusing on that reactivation of DNA viruses like shingles, Epstein-Barr virus, mononucleosis, herpes, cytomegalovirus?
00:42:53.000They're kept suppressed by your T cells, which is one arm of your adaptive immune system.
00:43:00.000It seems that after taking the jab, there's some period of time where these viruses are escaping their usual immunosuppression, their usual being contained, pushed down by the T cells.
00:43:16.000Something is letting the top off the box and they're getting out.
00:43:23.000The evidence is increasingly that that thing that's letting those viruses get out of the box is alterations in your T cell biology having to do with signaling molecules called tole like receptors and the associated pathways.
00:44:02.000So we do seem to be seeing some unusual effects.
00:44:06.000Now, why would we care about this in the context of your question about other infections, other diseases?
00:44:13.000It seems that there's a period of time, we're not really sure how long, and it may be two different waves, where after you receive the vaccine, you are relatively immunosuppressed.
00:44:27.000If you're out in rural America like I am, where I live on a 45-acre horse farm, I don't see a whole lot of people from day to day.
00:44:35.000And the chance that I'm going to get encountering the virus after I've taken the jab is pretty low.
00:44:41.000If you live in Manhattan, where there's a whole lot of circulating virus and a really dense population of people, and you're walking on the sidewalk and you're running into people all the time, the chance that you're going to encounter virus is pretty high.
00:44:55.000So if you encounter a virus while you're immunosuppressed, then you're in a better situation for getting disease, not only from SARS-CoV-2, but from other viruses.
00:45:22.000Oh, in the South, you know, it was all about the red states.
00:45:25.000The South is, you know, because they haven't been jabbed, they're filling up all the hospitals.
00:45:29.000Well, the truth is that all those kids had respiratory syncytial virus.
00:45:34.000There's something that was making them more susceptible to RSB and the adults too.
00:45:39.000So there does seem to be something going on.
00:45:43.000We still don't got our hands on it, that is causing some immunosuppression, leading to a situation where people may be more susceptible to other pathogens, not just to SARS-CoV-2, during this period of immunosuppression.
00:45:58.000And we don't really know how long that is going on.
00:46:01.000And then we also have this emerging, you know, case reports from physicians and oncologists suggesting that they believe that they're seeing unusual cancers at unusual stages in life that are unusually aggressive.
00:46:19.000The hard part is to tear apart what is the effect of the virus and what's the effect of the vaccine because we're all getting both things at the same time, or many of us are.
00:46:31.000And so it's hard to sort chicken from the egg here.
00:46:36.000And so I hope that's helped you, helped answer your question to the extent that I can.
00:47:11.000You have no motivation to go up against the pharmaceutical companies.
00:47:14.000You go where the data and where your reason leads you.
00:47:17.000Can you comment to our audience kind of how you are navigating all of a sudden being characterized as a villain because you dare ask questions just yourself personally, but also what is your personal?
00:47:33.000How are you processing all of this that the most powerful institutions seem to be so against what is so obviously happening in real time?
00:47:43.000I'm not sure if this is making sense, but it's totally making sense.
00:50:36.000I raise horses, and I kind of don't care.
00:50:40.000You know, so when the Atlantic writes their nasty little piece about me that was intended to take me down, and the fact checkers that have not even undergraduate degrees in biology write their little nasties, right?
00:51:14.000So that, that, I mean, the metaphor of my armor, I think I, you know, my sword and armor, my sword is my mind and my ability to perceive accurately.
00:51:28.000And my armor is the knowledge that I have friends, supporters.
00:55:26.000And so what we've got now is vaccines as rent-seeking behavior from big pharma and their corporate masters, which are these huge investment funds that also control the media and control big tech.