The Charlie Kirk Show - My Conversation with Kim Dotcom

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, Kim.com.

00:00:02.000 An incredible story of someone who has been chased by the federal government and world governments for what he has tried to do on the internet.

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00:01:11.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:11.000 Welcome to this episode.

00:01:12.000 We got Jack Pesobic co-piloting and a special guest, Kim.com, founder of Mega Upload, and you could say just founder of the internet.

00:01:21.000 Almost.

00:01:22.000 Founder of the new internet.

00:01:24.000 How about that?

00:01:24.000 So, that's right.

00:01:26.000 So, Kim 3.

00:01:27.000 Welcome to the program.

00:01:28.000 For some members of our audience that are not familiar with your story, it's super fascinating.

00:01:33.000 Walk us through kind of the 35,000-foot version.

00:01:38.000 Okay, so really quick, I have a bit of history with Joe Biden because he destroyed my business mega upload.

00:01:47.000 Back in the day, we were responsible for about 4% of global internet traffic.

00:01:54.000 And he's best friends with Senator Chris Dodd.

00:01:59.000 And Chris Dodd was hired by Hollywood to do something against online piracy, right?

00:02:07.000 And so the first idea was: let's just bring a new law called the Stop Online Piracy Act, also known as SOPA.

00:02:17.000 You guys may remember that a million people went on the streets to protest against it, and they had to stop that.

00:02:25.000 And the plan B was to shut down my business.

00:02:30.000 And Joe Biden worked together with Chris Dodd on this.

00:02:36.000 And Joe Biden put his own lawyer when he was still a senator.

00:02:40.000 He had a lawyer named Neil McBride, and he put this guy into the Department of Justice to bring the case against me.

00:02:50.000 And then he met with all the Hollywood bosses in the White House.

00:02:54.000 And fortunately, Obama made it transparent who's going to the White House.

00:02:59.000 We had the visitor list.

00:03:01.000 And a week before that meeting with all the Hollywood bosses, this prosecutor that Biden put in the DOJ, his only visit ever to the White House was to Biden's chief of staff a week before that meeting to basically report to him about the progress with the grand jury and charging me for piracy.

00:03:26.000 And basically what they are saying is that I'm personally responsible for the actions of users.

00:03:33.000 It's kind of like saying, you know, if YouTube has someone uploading a copyright infringing video, then they are responsible.

00:03:42.000 What year was this, Kim?

00:03:44.000 I'm just curious.

00:03:44.000 What year was this?

00:03:46.000 In 2012.

00:03:47.000 Yeah.

00:03:47.000 And so it's interesting.

00:03:48.000 That's a very similar argument that Section 230 is supposed to prevent against, right?

00:03:53.000 Which is these companies can't be held liable for what happens on their platform.

00:03:58.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:03:59.000 And there is a law in the U.S.

00:04:01.000 It's called the DMCA, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, that is supposed to protect online service providers.

00:04:09.000 And it should have protected us because we had a DMCA agent.

00:04:13.000 Our takedown history was like 99.999% compliant.

00:04:20.000 We even introduced a tool on our side that allowed copyright holders to take things down themselves directly without any delay.

00:04:30.000 And they have used that system heavily, right?

00:04:33.000 So the reason all of this happened was really because Chris Dodd needed to deliver to Hollywood, which paid him like 20 million plus to be there, the MPAA chairman.

00:04:47.000 And, you know, his buddy Biden helped him.

00:04:50.000 And here's the interesting part about this story.

00:04:53.000 To get Obama over the line to agree with that, who was reluctant to do it, you may remember this clip of Chris Dodd on Fox, where he was threatening to not provide any funding through Hollywood for Obama's and Biden's re-election campaign.

00:05:14.000 And he basically said, if you don't take care of us, why should we take care of you?

00:05:21.000 And that was a plot that Biden and Dodd came up with together.

00:05:26.000 And that's how they put pressure on Obama to go along with this.

00:05:30.000 And then just a month before the raid, Chris Dodd had a four-hour meeting with Obama at the White House to seal the deal.

00:05:38.000 And then literally a day before my birthday in January, they raided my home with 72 cops, you know, some of them arriving in two helicopters.

00:05:50.000 It was like an anti-terrorism raid.

00:05:53.000 Anyone can watch this on YouTube if you look at my name up, kim.com, and the raid, you can watch the whole thing.

00:06:01.000 And it's literally insane.

00:06:03.000 And this is in New Zealand where police officers don't even have guns.

00:06:07.000 They have tasers at best.

00:06:10.000 So it just was a completely crazy global news story that something like this would happen.

00:06:17.000 And, you know, I'm fighting extradition to the U.S. ever since.

00:06:21.000 It's almost year 12 coming up.

00:06:23.000 Wow, 12 years.

00:06:24.000 So is New Zealand what just I'm not really caught up on this.

00:06:30.000 Is New Zealand do a pretty good job usually of pushing back against US extradition requests?

00:06:36.000 Well, New Zealand, unfortunately, has changed quite a bit politically.

00:06:42.000 It used to be an independent country.

00:06:46.000 They had a policy here where they didn't allow any kind of nuclear energy or even nuclear-powered ships from the US Navy to come to New Zealand.

00:06:58.000 And the U.S. was very upset about that.

00:07:00.000 And it punished New Zealand with basically years of lost opportunity, billions in business opportunities lost because the US was punishing New Zealand.

00:07:11.000 And then New Zealand kind of came around and wanted to be buddies again.

00:07:15.000 And in my case, they have like completely ignored their own laws.

00:07:20.000 They have done everything to deliver the result that the US wanted despite all the legal issues, the unlawfulness of what the government has done in my case.

00:07:33.000 I think the biggest story that was most embarrassing for New Zealand is that the NSA spied on me illegally and they used the local spy agency, the GCSB, to execute that.

00:07:48.000 And because I'm an online gamer, I play competitive video games, I could see that they rerouted my traffic and I could see it in my games because I had more latency, right?

00:08:02.000 So after the raid happened, I told my lawyers, hey, let's look into this because I noticed something was wrong with my traffic.

00:08:10.000 And then through discovery, we found out in court that they spied on me illegally.

00:08:16.000 And the whole thing unraveled, that this was like a major deep state operation from the US-based NSA.

00:08:25.000 And we won in court.

00:08:27.000 We exposed that illegal spying and the prime minister of New Zealand had to apologize to me.

00:08:33.000 But it wasn't enough for them to say, okay, let's skip this whole extradition thing.

00:08:38.000 They kept going.

00:08:40.000 Yeah, so here's where I'm curious.

00:08:41.000 I want to get Jack Mesobic in this.

00:08:43.000 What is it about the website you were running mega upload that was such a threat to the United States government and the regime? 0.71

00:08:51.000 Well, the real threat was, and this is when they got so interested in me when I released a video with a couple of celebrities that were basically singing in the mega upload song with Kanye and, you know, Kim Kardashian was in there as well.

00:09:11.000 And I think 10 or 12 big A-list celebrities were promoting mega upload.

00:09:19.000 And the reason for that was because I developed basically a platform where they can cut out the middleman and sell direct to consumers.

00:09:29.000 And at that time, mega upload already had well over, you know, 180 million registered users.

00:09:36.000 So this would have made a huge difference for the artists selling direct to consumers and basically leaving the labels behind.

00:09:45.000 So it became a major, a major threat to the traditional entertainment industry in the U.S.

00:09:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:51.000 I mean, the Harvey Weinsteins of the world would have been really threatened by this.

00:09:54.000 So totally.

00:09:56.000 Yeah, real quick, Jet, that the point, and hi, Kim, how are you?

00:10:01.000 That the spying that you're talking about, this is indicative of the type of operations that we see run through the Five Eyes intelligence sharing framework of which New Zealand is a partner.

00:10:15.000 And so this is essentially a situation where on the back end, these agencies, as well as the UK, as well as Canada, Australia, they can get in.

00:10:27.000 And so let's say that, you know, let's say that I'm the NSA and I want to spy on Charlie Kirk.

00:10:33.000 Well, I can't just do that because you go through the fourth, because it runs.

00:10:38.000 Well, they just use the UK to the UK.

00:10:40.000 They outsource it.

00:10:41.000 They can't do it domestically, but they could do it through the UK or through Germany.

00:10:44.000 Right.

00:10:45.000 And I say, well, maybe Charlie is acting on foreign orders and then we go to the British and then they come in. 0.90

00:10:50.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:10:51.000 Well, it's even worse than that because the US spy agencies, they open up all the fiber connectivity to any kind of US system that is connected to the internet.

00:11:03.000 So they're basically saying here, all of our doors are open for you, GCHQ and UK.

00:11:09.000 You can spy on all Americans. 0.75

00:11:12.000 And then they put all that spy product into a joint spy cloud that they all have access to.

00:11:20.000 This is how they did it in my case.

00:11:22.000 So the GCSB spied on me locally, then uploaded the entire spy product into the spy cloud that they all share.

00:11:32.000 And that is how the US gained access to my data, right?

00:11:37.000 So they have this kind of relationship where they just circumvent the local laws by utilizing other jurisdictions to do it for them.

00:11:46.000 But in the end, they still end up with basically complete mass surveillance of every American.

00:11:54.000 So, Kim, first of all, the indictment against you feels like such a shaky case, very similar to how they went after Ross Ulbricht, but that's a secondary.

00:12:01.000 I was going to say these, actually, it feels like the same thing.

00:12:03.000 It feels like Russ Ulbricht.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, the same template.

00:12:06.000 So, Kim, let me ask you.

00:12:07.000 See, yeah, the same period of time, same prosecutors, probably too.

00:12:10.000 So, Kim, let me ask you now, transition with that sort of context and that backdrop.

00:12:15.000 What's going on with Twitter, the censorship that I experienced do not amplify?

00:12:21.000 And with your experience, how should we think about this?

00:12:24.000 Well, I mean, what happened here is pretty obvious, right?

00:12:29.000 You have a political party that joined forces with the deep state and says, you know, in order to win future elections, we need to be in partnership with them.

00:12:43.000 We need to be in cahoots with them.

00:12:45.000 We need to be able to, you know, control the mainstream media.

00:12:49.000 We need to be able to work with big tech, you know, to censor other voices, you know, other than what we want to promote.

00:12:59.000 And this is what happened at Twitter.

00:13:01.000 You know, they literally implemented their own people.

00:13:05.000 You know, there's a lot of intelligence community assets within Twitter, like this guy Roth and others.

00:13:13.000 And they colluded with the deep state and the Democratic Party to basically achieve control of the narrative on Twitter, right?

00:13:24.000 And a lot of right-wing commentators were just completely blocked or banned.

00:13:31.000 And those that were too high-profile, what they did, they just de-amplified them.

00:13:36.000 They just made sure in the algorithm that they can still tweet and everything, but no one sees it, right?

00:13:43.000 They have very, very few interactions.

00:13:46.000 Basically, only from people that go directly to their Twitter page in the browser, they will see what they are tweeting, but it's not appearing in any timeline or anything.

00:13:58.000 And that's kind of the evil part of it, right?

00:14:01.000 You think you still have a voice, but in reality, they're just making you invisible.

00:14:08.000 Well, so what I find fascinating is kind of during the early years of the internet, the people that would be crying against censorship or for internet piracy or privacy, I'm sorry, would be mostly on the left, right?

00:14:20.000 They would mostly be liberals and they'd be very, they were very worried about the Bush war and the NSA.

00:14:26.000 And this was pornography, too, actually, was a huge deal.

00:14:31.000 Yeah.

00:14:31.000 So, Kim, what do you think about now that it's the exact opposite?

00:14:35.000 It's now conservatives that are the ones that are being censored and suppressed.

00:14:40.000 And it seems as if most people on the left are not just comfortable with it, they're willing to use that kind of power to go after self-identified conservative.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that Democrats are now the pro-war party.

00:14:56.000 You know, like 180-degree switch from what their positions used to be.

00:15:02.000 And now they are this censorship totalitarian party that wants to destroy all opposing voices.

00:15:11.000 And the way they achieved that with big tech, and I think maybe not a lot of people understand this.

00:15:18.000 I understand this better because I used to be big tech myself, right?

00:15:23.000 Those big companies today are all monopolies.

00:15:27.000 Facebook is a monopoly.

00:15:29.000 Google is a monopoly.

00:15:31.000 They control the entire search space.

00:15:34.000 And in order to not be broken up, they basically have a deal that if we comply with whatever censorship you want, you know, you leave us alone.

00:15:47.000 We can deliver the best results for our shareholders.

00:15:50.000 You don't break us up.

00:15:52.000 Just keep the FTC away from us.

00:15:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:56.000 Keep any kind of allegation that we are a monopoly away from us and let us do our business and grow to the mammoth that we are in our space.

00:16:07.000 And that is exactly the incentive that these big tech companies needed.

00:16:12.000 They don't care about the politics of the two different parties.

00:16:16.000 They couldn't care less. 0.78

00:16:17.000 All they care about is to protect their monopoly.

00:16:21.000 And that's why they're doing these deals.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 And it just, it seems like people are so comfortable with this.

00:16:25.000 So let me ask you about Elon purchasing Twitter.

00:16:28.000 This was an unexpected development.

00:16:30.000 Do you find this to be a significant improvement so far?

00:16:34.000 And what do you think Elon's motives are?

00:16:36.000 Well, it's absolutely fantastic, right?

00:16:38.000 First of all, we are all extremely lucky that he eventually did go ahead and buy Twitter because everything that has happened since he bought it is phenomenal for freedom of speech, right?

00:16:53.000 We now know about the collusion between the Democratic Party, you know, the FBI and Twitter to censor people that they didn't like, right?

00:17:05.000 We will learn even more about the censorship around COVID.

00:17:11.000 Because now that we have a better understanding of the origin of COVID-19, that this was actually gain of function research that was funded by Fauci in the Wuhan lab in China and not some funny bet at a wet market that infected the entire world with this novel virus.

00:17:33.000 This was a lab manufactured virus and people would already know about this if there wasn't that much censorship, right?

00:17:42.000 Like any health professional that has pointed out when they looked at the DNA sequencing of the virus and said, wait a minute, this looks artificial.

00:17:55.000 This is not a natural looking virus.

00:17:59.000 Like this literally, you can literally see where the cuts were made with CRISPR to introduce foreign DNA to basically make this thing transmissible to humans.

00:18:12.000 And the way they do that, they basically humanize mice.

00:18:17.000 They give them cells that make their immune system basically compatible to that of a human.

00:18:23.000 And then they try and infect them with these modified viruses.

00:18:27.000 And once they achieve that, they know it's going to work with humans.

00:18:31.000 And that's what happened here.

00:18:33.000 And people would already know about this and understand this way better if it wasn't for all the censorship.

00:18:39.000 So the next Twitter files that are coming out, thanks to Elon taking over, are going to touch on that.

00:18:46.000 Also on vaccines, right?

00:18:48.000 There were a lot of doctors early on that said, you know, there are all kinds of side effects.

00:18:54.000 There are people dying that are taking it.

00:18:56.000 And they were all shut down.

00:18:58.000 They were literally kicked off the platform and they lost their jobs.

00:19:03.000 Any kind of suggestion of alternative treatments of people affected by COVID were shut down because the pharma industry wanted to make sure that they can sell these vaccines.

00:19:16.000 Why would they promote an alternative that costs a dollar a pill that can achieve the same thing or even better?

00:19:23.000 So this is what happened on Twitter.

00:19:27.000 And I'm really looking forward to this next release because that is really some powerful stuff.

00:19:32.000 And I think the more people understand that not only the pandemic was brought to them by the U.S. government, but also any kind of medication that would have helped them other than the vaccines was completely suppressed.

00:19:49.000 Jack, final thoughts here.

00:19:51.000 You know, Kim, if you can very quickly, though, just tell us, you laid out something for us at length when we did a Twitter space last week.

00:19:59.000 What's the next step?

00:20:00.000 Right.

00:20:00.000 So Elon's got this.

00:20:01.000 We've got the Twitter files.

00:20:03.000 What can we do?

00:20:03.000 Are there lawsuits?

00:20:05.000 Is there legislation?

00:20:06.000 What can we actually do to fight back a here? 0.95

00:20:10.000 Well, that's the beautiful thing.

00:20:12.000 You know, we now are outside of the realm of speculation.

00:20:16.000 We now have hard evidence.

00:20:18.000 So someone like Charlie, who has been affected by this censorship, can join a lawsuit with other affected parties.

00:20:29.000 And the lawsuit should not go against Twitter.

00:20:32.000 It should go against the individuals at Twitter that have implemented this.

00:20:38.000 It should go against the DNC.

00:20:40.000 So you want to attack the actual political party that was responsible for this and directed basically their assets to make that happen.

00:20:51.000 And you also want to go against the FBI and other institutions that were involved because they had direct meetings with Twitter, basically weekly arrangements about what else their expectations are.

00:21:06.000 So you have the perfect criminal conspiracy here committing election fraud by trying and manipulate to manipulate elections by censoring people.

00:21:19.000 And those who were censored, they can take legal action.

00:21:25.000 Absolutely.

00:21:26.000 Well, Kim, thank you for being so generous with your time.

00:21:29.000 And the fight against the powerful is just beginning, but I think we made some big gains in recent weeks.

00:21:35.000 Thanks to Elon.

00:21:36.000 Kim, thank you so much.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, thank you guys.

00:21:39.000 Nice to meet you.

00:21:40.000 Merry Christmas.

00:21:41.000 Thank you.

00:21:44.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:21:45.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:21:49.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 17, 2022

My Conversation with Kim Dotcom

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