The Charlie Kirk Show - March 28, 2022


My Conversation with Victor Davis Hanson


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Victor Davis Hanson joins Charlie on The Charlie Kirk Show to talk about his new book, The Dying Citizen, and why he thinks we should all be citizens. He also talks about the decline of American citizenship and why we need to fight to save it.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Victor Davis Hansen.
00:00:05.000 I really don't need to say much more than that.
00:00:07.000 One of the men I admire the most when it comes to commentary and the wisdom that he has.
00:00:13.000 It's absolutely incredible.
00:00:14.000 We talk about citizenship.
00:00:16.000 We talk about our country.
00:00:17.000 Is America going to fracture out a civil war?
00:00:19.000 Super interesting.
00:00:20.000 You should take notes during this conversation.
00:00:22.000 I do a lot of listening, and he's just, he's special.
00:00:25.000 He really is.
00:00:25.000 It was an honor to be able to spend time with him.
00:00:27.000 He spoke at a Turning Point USA event and came on our show.
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00:01:04.000 Victor Davis Hanson is here.
00:01:05.000 Buckle up here. 0.99
00:01:06.000 We go.
00:01:06.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:01:08.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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00:01:17.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:18.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:19.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
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00:01:48.000 Everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:50.000 With me, I feel like is a teacher of mine, someone who had consumed hundreds of hours of his commentary and content, Dr. Victor Davis Hanson.
00:01:58.000 Thank you for having me.
00:02:01.000 We were just talking how I finished your World War II course, and I was blown away by that, and your citizenship course for Hillsdale College.
00:02:08.000 And I suppose let's just start there.
00:02:09.000 Tell us about your book, The Dying Citizen.
00:02:12.000 Well, it's not a lamentation or a eulogy for the dead citizen because I would have called it the dead citizen. 0.76
00:02:19.000 It's the process of dying, and it's an erosion in the traditional prerogatives of a citizen.
00:02:25.000 I think it applies to the Western world in general, not just the United States in particular, but it's the suggestion that there's no sharp difference between a resident, legal or illegal, and a citizen, whether that means voting today or engaging in a campaign.
00:02:42.000 You can be a resident.
00:02:43.000 You can be here illegally and do that.
00:02:46.000 Or military service.
00:02:48.000 The only distinction that's left really is the ability to hold office.
00:02:52.000 Only citizens can do that.
00:02:54.000 But if you're not a citizen, you're a resident.
00:02:56.000 You can come and go as you please, apparently.
00:02:58.000 We're seeing the southern border.
00:03:00.000 You can join the military.
00:03:02.000 You can vote in certain places.
00:03:04.000 I think soon you'll be able to hold office.
00:03:06.000 So I tried to explain the history of citizenship.
00:03:08.000 It was very rare, peculiar, late in history, in the eighth century in Greece, fragile.
00:03:16.000 Today, there's only two or three places that can pull off a multiracial constitutional system, Brazil, maybe India, and they don't do it very well.
00:03:25.000 I was trying to remind people that unless you invest in citizenship and constantly audit it, it's the aberration in history and it will disappear.
00:03:34.000 I think it is disappearing unless we stand at attention and try to do something to save it.
00:03:40.000 What is necessary to revive citizenship?
00:03:43.000 Well, I try to say we have to reverse the organic pressures on it.
00:03:47.000 And one of them is, of course, the erosion of the middle class.
00:03:50.000 If you don't have a middle class, then you have a subsidized poor and a very small, powerful, influential, rich elite.
00:03:58.000 That's kind of California is the model of that.
00:04:01.000 And then you need definable, secure borders.
00:04:06.000 You can't be citizens of the world.
00:04:08.000 You have to be citizens of a unique place.
00:04:10.000 And we don't have a secure southern border.
00:04:12.000 Two million people came in in the fiscal year.
00:04:16.000 You have to gain control like we do of the northern border.
00:04:20.000 And you can't revert to a pre-civilizational tribalism where you start, where your identity is, your race, let's put it this way, your race or your ethnic background or pedigree is essential to who you are, not incidental.
00:04:35.000 And then the elites on the other side, this administrative state of legislative, executive, and judicial powers within an unelected bureaucrat, a James Comey, a Lois Lerner, it's very dangerous, as we've seen, especially.
00:04:49.000 It's growing, especially the media, big government, permanent employee fusion, whether that's defined by MSNBC, CNN, James Clapper, John Brennan type of fusion.
00:05:06.000 And there's a tendency now to be very bold about changing the Constitution, whether that's packing Indian Electoral College or the state's superiority or prerogative of making national voting laws or even the customs and traditions of, say, a nine-person court or 50-state union.
00:05:28.000 These have been there for decades, 60 years for the states, all for short-term political expediency.
00:05:34.000 So in larger historical terms, it's more the Athenian model we're grabbing to, that everybody gets to vote on any given day on anything, and that has the force of law without constitutional guide rail.
00:05:48.000 And then finally, we're becoming citizens of the world where our elites on the East Coast feel they're more, have more affinities with the culture and values of the EU, and people on the West Coast feel that economically, financially, they're more tied to Asia than they are the United States.
00:06:06.000 You can really see it.
00:06:07.000 If you ask somebody at Stanford or Berkeley or Caltech, what's a restaurant like in Bakersfield or Fresno, they have no idea, even though it's 200 miles away.
00:06:16.000 You ask them about where to eat in Shanghai or, you know, Taipei or Tokyo, they can tell you.
00:06:23.000 So the people who have real power in this country look outward rather than inward.
00:06:29.000 I'm going to ask you about motivations.
00:06:31.000 We get a lot of emails about this.
00:06:33.000 Like what motivates the current regime, if you can call it that, to try to crush citizenship or citizens?
00:06:40.000 What do you think that's going to be?
00:06:41.000 I think it's the most dangerous people feel that they're doing it for others.
00:06:47.000 In other words, they don't see themselves as self-interested.
00:06:50.000 If you talk to Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab or Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg, why did you put $419 million into selected precincts to warp or absorb the duties of the registrar in key precincts?
00:07:05.000 They say, I'm doing it to preserve democracy.
00:07:07.000 And by that is they feel that they, being this globalized elite, that they are morally superior, they're better educated, even though a lot of them are not.
00:07:17.000 But they have a sense of their guardians, and they just need enough power.
00:07:22.000 If they just give them enough power, they can create heaven on earth.
00:07:26.000 And we know from the Jacobins in France or the Bolsheviks that these people, for all of their Brotherhood of Man talk, are absolute cutthroats as far as the acquisition and maintenance of power. 0.92
00:07:41.000 They really want it.
00:07:42.000 And you can really see it with the Bidens.
00:07:44.000 I mean, They were so worried that their agenda wasn't palatable to people that they put Joe Biden in as a thin veneer of a very radical agenda that they know had no support.
00:07:59.000 And they thought, you know, it's good old Joe Biden from Scranton.
00:08:02.000 We know he's cognitively impaired.
00:08:04.000 He'll get us across the finish line.
00:08:06.000 He'll be presentable.
00:08:07.000 And then we can open the border or we can have critical race theory, critical legal theory, or defund all of that agenda, which they know has no public support, but they feel it's good for us.
00:08:19.000 So they're delighted that gas is $7 a gallon.
00:08:24.000 They can't quite say that like Stephen Chu was saying that.
00:08:28.000 But you get the impression that they're not entirely angry, except for the optics of long gas lines in a midterm election year.
00:08:37.000 So even then, though, I think, you know, the Germans have kind of renounced their green insanity, but Biden couldn't. 0.99
00:08:44.000 We still shut down Anwar and no new federal leases and Keystone, even though that would give us two to three million barrels.
00:08:52.000 In addition, so they've convinced themselves they're doing the right thing, their ideology, the path of progress, regardless of what's happening around them.
00:09:03.000 They're not empirical.
00:09:05.000 If you say to Joe Biden and the people around him, the world is short of oil, and the people who are making money off that shortage are illiberal regimes in the Middle East, Vladimir Putin, the Venezuelans, and the Iranians.
00:09:22.000 So why don't you just enrich the Alaskans and the North Dakotans and the Texans? 0.84
00:09:27.000 Why don't you do that?
00:09:29.000 Rather than fill the coffers of Putin or the theocracy in Iran.
00:09:34.000 And they would say, well, we're not going to do that because their power is based on the money from the green base and their ideologues.
00:09:47.000 So ideologues are immune from empiricism.
00:09:49.000 No matter what you say, it's not going to halt, subvert, impair, change, modify, adapt.
00:09:57.000 The mission, the mission is to get all of us onto green power, renewable energy, live in high-rises, have mass transit, and have a few platonic guardians who are exempt from the ramifications of their own ideology.
00:10:14.000 So, you know, Barack Obama can lecture us on greed.
00:10:18.000 He can lecture us that we've got to treat each other.
00:10:22.000 And then he can build three mansions: Martha's Vineyard, Colorama, and Hawaii.
00:10:27.000 Sees no inconsistency because he needs, John Kerry needs that private jet and that huge carbon footprint so he can help us.
00:10:36.000 Al Gore just has to sell that failed cable station to Al Jazeera.
00:10:41.000 Yeah, carbon-spewing gutter.
00:10:43.000 Just needs that $50 million and to beat the capital gains increase so that he can do more for us.
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00:11:54.000 So that's really interesting to me, and I want to unpack that for some of our listeners that might not be as familiar with some of the academic arguments there, where you said ideologues are immune to empiricism or empirical interpretation.
00:12:07.000 Where does that come from?
00:12:08.000 That's really interesting to me.
00:12:10.000 Well, it's it comes in part from the Enlightenment, and that's defined from the Greek fifth century.
00:12:18.000 Socrates, you know, he'd said, I'm a citizen of the world, and you know, it's a good thing a lot to explain.
00:12:24.000 If you see an eclipse, you don't say Zeus did it or Apollo did it.
00:12:30.000 You try to scientific method.
00:12:32.000 The problem with it is that when you take it to an extreme, you can't explain.
00:12:37.000 I can't explain why you may go to the airport today and be fine, and I go to the airport and get in an accident.
00:12:44.000 There's God, there's faith, there's an element within our experience.
00:12:48.000 It's a mystery, sure.
00:12:49.000 It's mystery, and that requires faith.
00:12:52.000 So they don't believe in that.
00:12:53.000 In their arrogance, they think they can explain everything.
00:12:56.000 And so, but there's a natural imprint in our soul to want to believe in something that's transcended.
00:13:02.000 So, what they do, since they've ruled out God or religion, they have that religious natural zeal and they worship reason.
00:13:11.000 I mean, in the French Revolution, they had a God, you know, the God Reason, Ratio, and they had a statue of him.
00:13:18.000 They renamed the days of the week, they renamed the 10-day calendar, yeah.
00:13:22.000 Yeah, everything.
00:13:23.000 So, that's what the green woke movement is.
00:13:26.000 These people are zealots.
00:13:27.000 They feel we are so rational that we can tell you that if you listen to us, and we will get racial relations so they're perfect if you just allow us to tell you how to drive and where to live. 0.85
00:13:40.000 But, caveat: for us to do all that and sacrifice on your behalf, we need certain exemptions.
00:13:47.000 That's really interesting, and I would think somewhat confusing to our audience because they say, okay, if they believe they're rooted in hyper-reason, then how do they explain that men can become pregnant?
00:13:57.000 And I can't define what a woman is. 1.00
00:14:00.000 Does that make sense?
00:14:01.000 It just seems so inconsistent if that's.
00:14:02.000 Well, the distinction is to remember that they say they believe in reason.
00:14:08.000 That's like all humans, they have religious propensities.
00:14:12.000 The only problem is the irony is that, say, a devout Christian realizes that brain surgery will remove the tumor, not necessarily faith healing.
00:14:23.000 And they go to a but if they're a Christian brain surgeon, they cannot tell the person, well, when you get in the ambulance, I don't know why it ran out of gas and you die. 0.93
00:14:35.000 They leave that element of mystery, but not these people.
00:14:39.000 Their religion is this enlightened, this sense of enlightenment.
00:14:44.000 They can explain everything.
00:14:45.000 And when they can't explain everything, it doesn't matter to them.
00:14:48.000 So, you have the nominee to the Supreme Court, and she says that there are three genders. 1.00
00:14:56.000 Well, that's a faith-based analysis.
00:14:59.000 There's something, an ancient idea of gender dysphoria, where a person is in the wrong biological body, and we've had names for it, transsexuals, transvestism, the idea you want to wear clothes of the opposite. 0.69
00:15:11.000 And that's been dealt with with medicine for 2,500 years.
00:15:14.000 But this new idea that you can construct your gender and be what any gender you wish to be or you think you must be, that's not biologically proven.
00:15:25.000 So, we have this Supreme Court nominee and says, Well, I'm not a biologist, as if she can't explain it because it's inexplicable.
00:15:33.000 It's a faith-based statement.
00:15:35.000 She needs to say, what she needed to say if she was intellectually honest is, I'm not a biologist who could explain it, because a disinterested biologist would say that there is a biological male and female, and there's a small category that have neurological incompatibility, but that's very small.
00:15:56.000 But what she's really saying is, I need a minister of transgendered faith, and they could come in here and tell you why you must believe this to save your soul.
00:16:06.000 It's a lot about saving souls, because it reminds me so often, I've used that metaphor before of the medieval penance.
00:16:14.000 That if you were a sinner, say, in 1500 or 1400, before the Reformation, sure. 0.95
00:16:20.000 Yeah, when the Catholic Church, well, the church, and you wanted to go to heaven, and you would go to the minister and you'd say, you know, I've committed celibacy, I'm an ursurer.
00:16:32.000 And they'd say, okay.
00:16:34.000 And they would write out a contract, an indulgence, and they'd say, five blocks on the dome of St. Peter.
00:16:41.000 If you can promise to pay for that, or this church or this, give me 10 acres, then we will write you an exemption and you can go to purgatory for a while.
00:16:49.000 And that's what the left does in their way of thinking.
00:16:53.000 If you, all these people who are so wealthy in the Democratic Party now is really the poor and the very wealthy.
00:16:59.000 The very wealthy have taken exemptions and they've made a deal with their psyches, and that is, I get to live in Atherton or Woodside or the Upper West Side, and I'm going to be completely immune from the consequences of my ideology.
00:17:16.000 I hate charter schools when my kids go to prep school.
00:17:21.000 I want high kilowattage rates in California, but I live in 70-degree weather year-round.
00:17:26.000 I like $10 gas, but I don't drive much, and I have so many I don't care.
00:17:32.000 I think everybody should live in 1,500 square feet.
00:17:34.000 It's ecologically sound, but I have seven homes.
00:17:38.000 And they feel bad about that.
00:17:40.000 And one of the ways they square that circle of not living by what they force down other people's throats is to feel terrible.
00:17:48.000 And that means they, you know, they act very left-wing, they attack people, they cancel people, they deplatform people, they ostracize people, they dox people.
00:18:02.000 Hollywood, these multi-millionaires in private, come out and try to destroy people's lives.
00:18:08.000 And then they say to the poor and the middle class, see, I'm on your side.
00:18:12.000 I'm really more militant than you.
00:18:14.000 I will, you know, I'll fight the culture wars for you.
00:18:17.000 And then after five o'clock, they retreat back.
00:18:20.000 It's very typical of history when you see that.
00:18:25.000 So using an analysis of history, I'm curious, you mentioned the French Revolution.
00:18:31.000 Has there been times ever in history where a very wealthy society decides to embrace this kind of woke ideology, something similar to wokeism?
00:18:43.000 Does that make sense?
00:18:45.000 I mean, there was a legitimate reason to get rid of the Bourbons. 0.65
00:18:49.000 And there were a lot of moderate people, and they looked at the British system, and they said you can have a monarchy compatible with a constitutional republic.
00:18:58.000 And that was eminently possible in 1787, 8.
00:19:01.000 And then you had these cycles of revolution where today's revolutionary would be tomorrow's sellout.
00:19:07.000 It just got more and possible.
00:19:09.000 Rogespear was killed by the very people who used to support him, right?
00:19:12.000 The Carmadors woke in and basically got liquidated him and his brother in about 1400. 0.73
00:19:18.000 And they applauded for 10 minutes, the legend goes.
00:19:22.000 They did.
00:19:22.000 And then those cycles kept going, and then they always are ending.
00:19:26.000 So what does that mean for us then?
00:19:28.000 Well, it always ends because chaos is unsustainable.
00:19:31.000 So Napoleon ended it in a very brilliant fashion. 0.90
00:19:34.000 He just said, I am the revolution.
00:19:36.000 I'm going to make all the officers go to a city.
00:19:39.000 Yeah, I'm going to create a military academy that's going to be merit-based.
00:19:43.000 I'm going to have a Napoleon. 0.99
00:19:44.000 It's just like Stalin stopped it.
00:19:46.000 And so if we continue this chaos, we'll have some authoritarian.
00:19:53.000 Yeah, so does chaos ever end in self-government, at least immediately?
00:19:57.000 When you get into a cycle of nihilism, it's very hard to arrest it because it just feeds on itself.
00:20:04.000 And you can see this woke movement, how it's grown.
00:20:06.000 And do you think we're in that cycle of?
00:20:08.000 Yeah, I do.
00:20:09.000 And so either we're going to have to slow it down, or there's going to be some reaction to it, or there's going to be some hardcore leptus that says, you know what?
00:20:21.000 There's so much resistance, we're just going to have to put this in by fiat.
00:20:25.000 There's going to be some non-democratic rendezvous, and it's going to be, it's why it's very important that people speak out about it now, because it's fascistic and it's totalitarian, and it's not based on anything.
00:20:39.000 I mean, think about how madness, this descent into madness where we don't want to pump oil here, but as I said, we beg Putin or the Saudis to do it, or we make fun of the Border Patrol agents that say they whip innocent people, but suddenly now we're paranoid that people are going to come across in the midterm.
00:20:59.000 So we're going to ask for Border Patrol volunteers.
00:21:04.000 That's what they're doing now.
00:21:06.000 Gavin Newsom's got seventh largest reserves of gas and oil in the United States in California.
00:21:12.000 And we're the second largest consumer of gasoline.
00:21:15.000 And he won't tap it, but he's going to now give every Californian $400 to put in a rebate.
00:21:22.000 Yes.
00:21:22.000 $11 billion.
00:21:24.000 So basically, it's saying, we hate your dirty fuel.
00:21:28.000 We don't like it.
00:21:29.000 We don't want it.
00:21:30.000 We won't pump it.
00:21:30.000 We won't have anything to do.
00:21:31.000 But you stupid idiots vote still, and you need your gas. 1.00
00:21:36.000 So we're going to give you some money to buy your stupid, dirty, filthy fuel that we don't want. 1.00
00:21:39.000 So we can stay in political power. 1.00
00:21:41.000 Yes, that's what it is.
00:21:44.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
00:21:46.000 The war in Europe is the kind of chaos foreign identity thieves love. 0.95
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00:21:53.000 That's small-time stuff.
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00:22:43.000 And so I'm going to ask a provocative question.
00:22:46.000 Countries have a tendency to fall apart and fracture.
00:22:50.000 They usually don't all fall as one whole, especially big countries.
00:22:53.000 They usually get smaller.
00:22:55.000 Is that in the cards for America? 0.64
00:22:57.000 Because a wide-ranging republic was a very ambitious idea.
00:23:00.000 It was.
00:23:01.000 I mean, there's periods of regeneration.
00:23:02.000 If we had this conversation in Rome, oh, 68 AD, and we looked at what, Nero, and then the year of the, we would say it's over with.
00:23:11.000 And then all of a sudden the Flavians come, just Vespasian, and we get a great pay. 0.99
00:23:15.000 And then it starts to get a little weird with Domitian.
00:23:18.000 And then we think, oh, it's back.
00:23:19.000 And then all of a sudden we have what Gibbon called the finest period in human history.
00:23:24.000 100 years of the five year.
00:23:25.000 And then it goes.
00:23:26.000 Aurelius and then Commodus.
00:23:28.000 And then we get these cycles and they keep coming back.
00:23:30.000 And it gets, you go down a notch, but there's periods of regeneration.
00:23:34.000 So I'm confident.
00:23:36.000 The problem with the United States is that whenever you have a geographical multiplier of ideology.
00:23:42.000 What do you mean by that?
00:23:44.000 Well, okay, you have a slave issue in 1820 to 1860.
00:23:50.000 But the slave issue is not here's a problem with slavery in Michigan.
00:23:55.000 Here's a problem in the East Coast.
00:23:56.000 It's right down the mesa.
00:23:58.000 Mason 6 and London.
00:24:00.000 60s, you have culture, you got guys wearing beads, you know, saying blank, blank the establishment all over the United States.
00:24:08.000 This time, because of the, I think, these major existential issues, globalization has changed the economy, this weird worship of a BA degree, the hollowing out of the interior, this cosmopolitan worship of Europe, whatever we term it, it's starting to be geographical.
00:24:30.000 That's really interesting.
00:24:31.000 You're right.
00:24:32.000 I can go along San Jose or Palo Alto, Berkeley, I can go from La Jolla to Seattle, and I do a lot.
00:24:40.000 And the coffee shops are the same, the peoples are the same.
00:24:44.000 Their attitudes are the same.
00:24:45.000 I can drive 20 miles into 50 miles into the interior in Oregon or go to Fresno or Bakersfield, Inland Empire.
00:24:53.000 Same thing with the East Coast.
00:24:54.000 I can go to upstate New York, and it's like a different world.
00:24:58.000 And so people are starting to self-select.
00:25:01.000 And these red states and red state areas within blue states, they work.
00:25:07.000 I mean, the taxes are moderate.
00:25:08.000 The government is transparent.
00:25:10.000 People don't stand for the sex education.
00:25:14.000 We see it, this revolt in Florida.
00:25:19.000 It works.
00:25:20.000 It's the United States.
00:25:21.000 People are not racist.
00:25:22.000 There's integration.
00:25:23.000 There's intermarriage. 0.50
00:25:24.000 There's assimilation. 0.56
00:25:25.000 There's not identity politics.
00:25:27.000 And it's starting to be enclaves of resistance.
00:25:29.000 And it's half the country.
00:25:31.000 And the other half, the blue half, they despise those places.
00:25:36.000 They say, well, they work, but they don't have our cuisine.
00:25:41.000 They don't have our taste.
00:25:42.000 They don't have our magazine.
00:25:43.000 There's no architectural digestion.
00:25:45.000 Do they really talk that way?
00:25:46.000 I don't spend a lot of time around.
00:25:48.000 Yeah, they do.
00:25:48.000 I mean, you're in Palo Alto all the time.
00:25:51.000 I've had a schizophrenic existence my whole life because I went to school on the California coast and I live on a farm.
00:25:57.000 And I never moved to Stanford when I went there as a professor or fellow at the Hoover Institution.
00:26:03.000 So I see it, I hear it all day, and then I see the antithesis 180 miles away.
00:26:09.000 So is the contempt mutual?
00:26:12.000 Yes.
00:26:14.000 To be fair, I would say.
00:26:15.000 No, I mean, I want the honor.
00:26:16.000 I mean, yeah.
00:26:17.000 I would say that I'll give you an example.
00:26:21.000 I won't mention any names, but I had a guy that's working on a project, a painter, and he's a really great guy.
00:26:28.000 And he goes to Stanford Medical School.
00:26:30.000 He just asked me the other day why they're so strange up there.
00:26:34.000 Or, you know, I mean, if you have a Mexican-American landscaper guy that cuts people's lawn, he has a little bit of smoke in his truck, people feel bad for him.
00:26:45.000 I mean, it's really bad.
00:26:47.000 Maybe somebody will say something.
00:26:49.000 But I was behind a guy that came into the Stanford campus, and I just started laughing when I saw that because it was just a clue.
00:26:59.000 By the time I got to my office, a person who works at Stanford said they were so outraged they had called to stop that guy, but they were the 11th caller, that Karen mentality. 0.79
00:27:11.000 So it's just very different.
00:27:13.000 That if you screw with heaven on earth, these people as angels will attack you.
00:27:19.000 And so I think they're most, you know, I think they're most afraid that their system doesn't mean anything anymore.
00:27:29.000 A guy with a bachelor's degree from Harvard or Stanford, there's no evidence that they know anymore.
00:27:34.000 There's evidence they took test scores.
00:27:35.000 But that's leaving.
00:27:36.000 Yeah, it doesn't have the currency it used to at all.
00:27:38.000 No, they don't have the, but they don't have the.
00:27:41.000 I teach at Hillsdale, and I'm on the Stanford campus, and I was a visiting professor there as in classical languages in the 90s.
00:27:50.000 And I can tell you that a Hillsdale student is better educated.
00:27:55.000 And until recently, maybe a Stanford student could take the test better, but I don't think that's true.
00:28:00.000 So my point is that all of their blue chip criteria that says, listen to us, we're powerful.
00:28:05.000 Look at the Biden administration.
00:28:07.000 Every time a guy opens his mouth, you look at the resume, Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs and the State Department, Kennedy School.
00:28:13.000 It doesn't mean anything when you ask Russia to be an interlocutor in the Iran deal.
00:28:18.000 Anybody in his right mind knows that you wouldn't do that.
00:28:21.000 Or when you leave, you know, $80 billion of equipment in Afghanistan, $300 million of remodeling the Baglam Air Force Base.
00:28:34.000 Anybody knows that.
00:28:35.000 You talk to anybody where I live who's a cook or a plumber or an electrician, they'd say, do not leave a billion-dollar embassy in Afghanistan.
00:28:45.000 Or as one person said to me, hey, Victor, I've got to ask you a question.
00:28:50.000 I was in Home Depot the other day and he said, now, we're going to give the Ukrainians $12 billion in military aid.
00:28:57.000 I said, yes, that's the idea.
00:28:59.000 Well, why don't we just call them Taliban up and say, we gave you 85. 0.99
00:29:05.000 Could you give us 40?
00:29:06.000 Let us.
00:29:06.000 I might just have 100 emails that say exactly that.
00:29:09.000 Why don't they give it to them?
00:29:11.000 And you think, wow, this guy is Albert Einstein, but apparently there's no Albert Einsteins in the Biden administration or General Milley or the rest of them.
00:29:20.000 So I think the limitations of our elite are pretty transparent.
00:29:24.000 We owe $30 trillion in debt.
00:29:27.000 We're running a $2 trillion annual deficits.
00:29:31.000 We have zero interest rates with about an 8% to 9% annual inflation rate.
00:29:36.000 And somebody did that.
00:29:37.000 And they weren't.
00:29:40.000 Joe Mendoza, you know, who pumps out cesspools in Fesno County, he doesn't do that.
00:29:46.000 He does a good job for what his task is.
00:29:50.000 And these guys screwed up.
00:29:52.000 And yet they all have the best credentials.
00:29:53.000 They have the most blue-chip degrees.
00:29:56.000 So that was kind of what the Trump thing was all about.
00:29:59.000 I mean, he had degrees, but he basically said, I build stuff.
00:30:04.000 You guys have never built anything.
00:30:05.000 You can't build anything.
00:30:07.000 And that caught on to people.
00:30:09.000 And they said, well, you don't have the right protocol.
00:30:11.000 You're not situated in the right landscape or you don't have the right parlance.
00:30:15.000 And he didn't.
00:30:18.000 So that kind of was like that commercial of the Apple, you're too young probably, but 2004, a woman ran in and she threw a hammer through a screen right during the Super Bowl.
00:30:29.000 I remember hearing that.
00:30:29.000 And all of a sudden, it was George Orwell, kind of big brother, and that was supposed to liberate you to Apple.
00:30:36.000 But it was a really great commercial.
00:30:37.000 And that's what Trump sort of did.
00:30:39.000 He threw this ball and it shattered the glass.
00:30:42.000 And all of a sudden, people said, this podcast, why do we have to wait and wait and see if PBS has us on?
00:30:49.000 David Brooks will talk to us.
00:30:51.000 Who cares if your book is reviewed or not in the National Review when you get a podcast that Joe Rogan has got 10 times more influence?
00:31:00.000 Or who cares if you got an engineering degree from MIT when you can be a brilliant coder and get hired anyway?
00:31:08.000 So everything, that is good, that all of the criteria and the cattle brands are up for discussion.
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00:32:10.000 Well, it's good.
00:32:11.000 It's so interesting that the credentialocracy is kind of less relevant than ever.
00:32:16.000 But I suppose what you're articulating, though, is that that's a source of a lot of the kind of resentment and antagonism in these centers.
00:32:25.000 Yeah, it is.
00:32:26.000 I mean, they have a, they're trying to say that there's a hierarchy and we paid our dues.
00:32:31.000 We went to the right schools.
00:32:33.000 We live in the right zip code.
00:32:34.000 We made the right marriages.
00:32:36.000 We're right enlightened.
00:32:37.000 We go to the right restaurants.
00:32:39.000 And you just can't come in here and think you can run things.
00:32:43.000 Joe Biden may be senile, but he is good old Joe Biden.
00:32:48.000 He was a senator.
00:32:48.000 He was a vice president.
00:32:50.000 Look at the resume.
00:32:51.000 Yeah, look at the resume.
00:32:52.000 And so that's what a lot of it.
00:32:54.000 You can see why they fixate on certain people that become iconic objects of hatred.
00:33:00.000 Why did they hate Donald Trump?
00:33:03.000 But if you look at his record, I know he was very different on immigration and optional military in China, but a lot of it was doctrinaire republicanism.
00:33:14.000 But the Never Trumpers just had a passionate hatred of him.
00:33:18.000 It was his hair.
00:33:18.000 It was his accent.
00:33:19.000 It was his mannerism.
00:33:21.000 Why did people hate Sarah Palin? 0.98
00:33:23.000 She wasn't a vindictive person.
00:33:24.000 When you compare Sarah Palin with Camilla Harris, she had actually run something.
00:33:30.000 She ran a state. 0.79
00:33:32.000 But they hated her.
00:33:33.000 They just could not stand the very sight of her.
00:33:37.000 And Dan Quayle's another person.
00:33:39.000 And you think, well, it's because he done.
00:33:42.000 No, he they compared to their people they put up there, but they represent to them somebody who doesn't fit their criterion of credentials or sober and judicious repartee or whatever it is.
00:33:56.000 And so they remind me of people in the French court, you know, at Versailles, the same way, wigs and powder and everything.
00:34:06.000 And they're sort of in hollow people that are empty.
00:34:10.000 And when somebody says the emperor has no clothes, they get very angry.
00:34:14.000 So in closing, here, I want to ask you, Victor, though, I mean, it doesn't sound like this is sustainable.
00:34:20.000 No, it's not.
00:34:21.000 What does that look like, though?
00:34:22.000 I mean, we have these specifically as possible.
00:34:26.000 We were sold after World War II.
00:34:28.000 It was a good idea.
00:34:29.000 We were going to have the GI Bill of Rights and the Great Books Program.
00:34:32.000 They were all good ideas.
00:34:33.000 We're going to educate and amass everybody before.
00:34:37.000 Very few people went to college.
00:34:39.000 And it was great.
00:34:40.000 And it really led to a lot of the economic ascendance of the United States.
00:34:46.000 But we, as everything in a radical democracy, we took it too far.
00:34:50.000 So we just said, okay, Bob, you're going to be a lawyer.
00:34:53.000 Jill, you're going to be a doctor.
00:34:54.000 That's what parents did.
00:34:55.000 And they pushed him and they did all.
00:34:57.000 And they never really asked, Are you getting a liberal education?
00:35:00.000 Are you ethical?
00:35:01.000 Are you religious?
00:35:02.000 None of that.
00:35:04.000 And it was phony finally.
00:35:07.000 And so we got to the point where where you work, where you lived, that was falsely equated with knowledge, with morality, with competence.
00:35:18.000 And it can't be.
00:35:20.000 And so we started.
00:35:23.000 You can see Barack Obama was one of the best examples. 0.98
00:35:25.000 I mean, he was a mediocre president.
00:35:27.000 I thought he was a poor president, but I'll grant people thought he was mediocre, not poor.
00:35:32.000 And he had what?
00:35:36.000 Ivy League law degree, and he went to Columbia.
00:35:38.000 But when they leak everything, why didn't they leak his Occidental transcript or his Columbia transplant or he was a constitutional law professor?
00:35:49.000 What does that mean?
00:35:50.000 I was hired at the University of Chicago.
00:35:52.000 Well, what did you do?
00:35:53.000 Let's see the classes you taught.
00:35:54.000 Let's see the books you wrote.
00:35:55.000 But it was just, no, that doesn't matter.
00:35:57.000 He's got this stamp on him.
00:36:00.000 Same thing with Hillary Clinton. 1.00
00:36:02.000 So all these miscreants all have the right brand on them.
00:36:07.000 And I think that is ending now.
00:36:09.000 And what's ending now is we're going to a third wave.
00:36:13.000 It's not going to be kind of like in the 40s or 30s, which is agrarian society.
00:36:19.000 But it's just mixed up now.
00:36:21.000 Everybody's got, it's going to be, I think if we can survive this turmoil, it's going to be more achievement and facts-based and what you actually do.
00:36:30.000 Because the market will kind of, there's still a lot of good things about a free market economy.
00:36:36.000 It's better than the alternative, and it's going to start rewarding people for, you know, I see it.
00:36:44.000 I'm very strongly against illegal immigration, but I am very supportive of Mexican-American legal citizens, new immigrants who start businesses.
00:36:54.000 And that is very encouraging because they don't care about these things, these credentials.
00:37:02.000 They just want to go out and they want to work like crazy and be successful.
00:37:06.000 And when they see a car, if you were to drive a Bentley onto the Stanford campus, people would make fun of it.
00:37:16.000 If you drove it in Fresno, some guy would come up and say to you, where did you get it?
00:37:21.000 How do I get one?
00:37:22.000 That's a neat car.
00:37:23.000 Don't worry, I'll get one one day.
00:37:25.000 It's a different idea.
00:37:26.000 It's this can-do.
00:37:27.000 I like that idea that can-do it.
00:37:29.000 My dad was a World War II veteran, and he was a farmer, and he was a college administrator, did a lot of stuff, but he always had that attitude, like he was flying a mission on a B-29.
00:37:40.000 You know, he'd say, I said, I don't think I can go to graduate school.
00:37:45.000 I've only, these guys have had Latin and Greek for 20 years.
00:37:48.000 I was only hanging for it.
00:37:49.000 Well, what do you have to do?
00:37:50.000 Let's go do it.
00:37:51.000 Come on, don't chicken out on it.
00:37:53.000 Your scholarship.
00:37:53.000 You got it.
00:37:54.000 You can go do it.
00:37:55.000 You got to be the best.
00:37:56.000 Who can't?
00:37:57.000 And you'd cry and you'd say, not cry, but you'd whine.
00:37:59.000 You said, well, you want to fly 16 hours to Tenyon and drop 20,000 bombs of.
00:38:04.000 They would always play that card.
00:38:06.000 They always do.
00:38:07.000 And he said, we didn't even wear a parachute.
00:38:09.000 What's the use of bailing out over Tokyo and getting beheaded?
00:38:13.000 So that was a reminder to me that that's a good spirit.
00:38:17.000 That's a frontier spirit we have.
00:38:19.000 I hope we don't lose it.
00:38:21.000 But immigrants are very good for the United States if they come legally and in a diverse fashion and in measured numbers.
00:38:29.000 Measured, diverse, with some skills, and they will assimilate, integrate quickly.
00:38:36.000 En masse, not diverse, illegally, you got a big problem. 1.00
00:38:41.000 So for the country, really quickly, what does that mean, like civil war fracturing?
00:38:47.000 I know you get this question a lot.
00:38:48.000 And then finally, tell us about VictorHanson.com.
00:38:50.000 I don't think we're going to fracture because the divisions are within families.
00:38:55.000 They were in the Civil War, but we still have more in common than we do for a while longer.
00:39:01.000 And I think the left, it used to be we're all fighting and let's just calm down and be friends.
00:39:06.000 But I think people are starting to see that one side is doxing, as I said, deplatforming and canceling and boycotting and doesn't have, and they're doing that because they do not have majority opinion.
00:39:18.000 So every single issue that Joe Biden is advancing has zero public, I mean, not zero, but it's less than 40%, 50%.
00:39:28.000 So there's a consensus what we want.
00:39:31.000 Trump, people can say that he was unpopular, but his agenda was popular.
00:39:36.000 So that's what people want.
00:39:38.000 And the left knows that.
00:39:40.000 And they are getting shriller and more hysterical.
00:39:43.000 And they're creating a greater and greater backlash.
00:39:45.000 And once the middle completes that transformation to reject that agenda, we'll have, I think, better times ahead.
00:39:52.000 VictorHanson.com.
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00:40:02.000 Well, thank you.
00:40:02.000 And it's a competitor of ours.
00:40:04.000 Not really a competitor.
00:40:05.000 But it's a complimenting.
00:40:07.000 I listen to all the episodes.
00:40:08.000 They're terrific.
00:40:08.000 So thank you for mentioning that.
00:40:10.000 Thank you, Victor.
00:40:10.000 Thanks for theCUBE.
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