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00:00:00.000Hey everybody, this is the entirety of my conversation with Gavin Newsom, but also with my commentary.
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00:01:42.000I'm going to be giving commentary throughout this conversation about some of my thoughts, but it is the entire thing that you'll be able to watch.
00:01:49.000Also, the full unedited, let's just say with no commentary, is on Gavin Newsom's YouTube page, but I think you want to stay right here.
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00:02:02.000Starts out with Gavin Newsom talking about how his son is a big fan of mine.
00:02:07.000History of Turning Point USA. History of what we've done at Turning Point USA. And our goals and mission.
00:02:12.000By the way, anyone out there, you guys should get involved with Turning Point USA. You should start a Turning Point USA chapter.
00:02:17.000You should get involved with Turning Point Action.
00:03:37.000No, but I know, but I appreciate that.
00:03:39.000I mean, it's the reason you're here, because I think people need to understand your success, your influence, what you've been up to, and the fact that you're on these college campus doors.
00:03:47.000And to your point, man, you just open up.
00:03:55.000When did you start putting this together?
00:03:57.000I've been at this for 13 years, and it's been a wild movement.
00:04:01.000Really accelerated once President Trump kind of came on the scene.
00:04:05.000Right around, I'd say, 2021, we had a goal.
00:04:09.000Could we move the youth vote 10 points over 10 years?
00:04:13.000And it was literally you sat down and put that numerical together.
00:04:16.000Yeah, like, can we move it 10 points over 10 years-ish, you know, approximate.
00:04:20.000Because our whole hypothesis was, and we did this alongside President Trump and his great team, was that this demographic is disproportionately to the Democrat side.
00:04:30.000We believe Democrats were taking them for granted.
00:04:32.000We think that your side had no message whatsoever and an ideological monopoly.
00:04:38.000And to President Trump's credit, he also harmonized with this strategy by going on podcasting and using TikTok.
00:04:45.000But, yeah, I mean, we did it in four years, not ten, large in part, thanks to you guys.
00:04:48.000And we'll get to that, and sincerely get to that, because I want a stress test.
00:04:53.000Some of those fault lines as it relates to the reality of our party and where we are today vis-a-vis your ascendancy, not just individually as an organization.
00:05:01.000But where was that sort of moment for you?
00:05:04.000I mean, you're such a young guy, so it's not like deep biography here.
00:05:07.000It's not like 20 years in the wilderness, writing his first book, getting a TV show that was canceled, coming back.
00:05:13.000It's more just this immediacy of ascendancy.
00:05:17.000I mean, were you sort of born and bred with an ideological mindset, or were you more open-minded, and you started to realize a lot of BS was out there?
00:05:26.000Yeah, I've always been conservative, obviously grown in that over the last 10-ish years.
00:05:32.000Was more libertarian, I'd say, in the first couple of years, as to be expected, as I got married and have kids become more conservative.
00:05:39.000But no, look, just one of the things we saw in the last couple of years that the Democrats completely ignored, and your side was, Basically, not acknowledging it was happening, was the crisis that young people were experiencing.
00:05:52.000It's the first time in America's history that a 30-year-old is going to have it worse off than their parents.
00:05:57.000It's a breakdown of the social compact.
00:05:59.000They are the most alcohol addicted, most drug addicted, most suicidal, most depressed, most medicated generation in history.
00:06:06.000And the message that was largely being fed to a lot of young people...
00:06:11.000You're not going to have the same American dream that your parents would have.
00:06:15.000And we saw this as an opportunity, especially with young men.
00:06:18.000And again, this got ridiculed a lot by the press that, oh, you know, they're creating this manosphere thing.
00:06:22.000Look, they're half of the population and necessary for any society and civilization to succeed, which is to have both strong men and strong women.
00:06:30.000And we went about that in a very unique and creative way.
00:06:43.000I mean, 700 years in federal prison, you know, states tried to kick him off the ballot.
00:06:47.000I know you spoke out against it, but California did have a faction that tried to kick him off the ballot, right?
00:06:51.000And despite all of that, of course, being shot, and that was kind of the crescendo of all of it, he kind of became this figure of an American comeback story.
00:07:03.000What a lot of young people, especially young men, wanted back in their politics, which was an ascendant rebel attitude against these institutions that have failed them so miserably.
00:07:42.000So you had a political, obviously you had strong political leanings, or at least desire to sort of be in the political sphere, but not in elected office necessarily?
00:07:50.000You just want to be behind the scenes?
00:07:51.000Yeah, I mean, like, the biography's been written about a million times, but, I mean, Didn't go to college, wanted to go to West Point, didn't get in.
00:08:00.000Started this organization, and it became far more successful than I ever could have realized.
00:08:06.000As we started to grow the organization, I recognized that there was an ideological imbalance on a lot of these college campuses, and we wanted to go about trying to offer a counterpoint of conservative...
00:08:22.000You know, pro-freedom, pro-liberty, you know, America first ideals.
00:08:25.000And you saw the college campuses as sort of the underbelly of the opportunity?
00:08:28.000Or is it just more just experiential in terms of your own sort of animus towards the institution?
00:08:48.000Now, fast forward to today, this last election cycle, Democrats lost the youth vote in Michigan, nearly lost it in Wisconsin, nearly lost it in Arizona.
00:08:55.000So our goal was, hey, let's move at 10 points.
00:08:59.000And this is important for your audience to know and for Democrats to reckon with, of which I see no signs that Democrats care at all that they're losing the next generation.
00:09:19.000And one of the main reasons that this has all been happening is that baby boomers have actually seen their wealth increased the last four years.
00:09:27.000They don't buy into this whole idea that our institutions are broken or that they're in need of massive bottom-up revolutionary change.
00:09:35.000And we see that actually Kamala Harris did three points better with baby boomers than she did in 2020. And the number one story that...
00:09:42.000You know, James Carville, who everyone takes seriously for some reason, should have been saying, is like all Kamala Harris had to do was just do the same with younger voters that Joe Biden did in 2020. And she would be president right now.
00:09:51.000And remind us what Joe Biden did in 2020 with younger voters.
00:09:54.000It was 13 points better, approximately.
00:09:55.000Oh, in terms of just the numeric system.
00:09:56.000Again, this is kind of a combination of exit polling.
00:09:58.000So it's really, it's a difficult science to pinpoint.
00:10:02.000So that goes back then, I mean, to your point, in order to do that, you've got to stand for something, you've got to assert yourself, you've got to have a strategy, and you've got to implement it.
00:10:09.000You also have to not believe crazy stuff.
00:10:12.000And so for you, I mean, it's interesting, just, you know, this last week, I guess you were at USC, you were at University of Florida, you had thousands and thousands of folks.
00:10:20.000So you get, to your point, your crowds are growing.
00:10:57.000I was 18 or 19. 18 or 19. And you just, by the way, where does that end?
00:11:01.000And sincerely, to be able to debate anybody at any time, anywhere, and in that environment, it's just, I mean, you can say it's just confidence, or it's just absolute, I mean, narcissism.
00:12:18.000I got a baseball coach that called me and allowed me to get to a four-year university.
00:12:21.000I was joking with you before we started.
00:12:23.000960 SAT. I asked you about your SAT. I don't even know.
00:12:26.000I took the ACT. You took the ACT, which proves two things, how young you are.
00:12:30.000Okay, so the conversation continued about college.
00:12:33.000I wrote an entire book called The College Scam, and I should have emphasized even more.
00:12:39.000About how the UC system, which Governor Newsom oversees, is a complete failure.
00:12:45.000Didn't quite have time to do that, but looking back, hindsight is 20-20.
00:12:49.000I should have interjected and talked about how broken the UC system is, how much indoctrination is happening in the UC system.
00:12:55.000Also, Lomez, who came on our program, great guy, educated me about AB101, about how kids are required to learn DEI and critical race theory in California schools.
00:13:07.000I did a lot of research and prep in anticipation for this conversation.
00:13:10.000I was unaware of that, so I probably should have interjected that.
00:13:14.000College tuition has skyrocketed dramatically, and the Democrats and Gavin Newsom have done nothing to lower the cost of college, nothing to increase career preparedness.
00:13:23.000In fact, more and more kids are not even learning basic American history, basic civics, or basic world history.
00:13:29.000We also talk a little bit more in this segment about my political history and some of my political leanings.
00:13:39.000The Midwest was traditionally more of an ACT. But this has been a point of pride for you, that you didn't do a four-year degree.
00:13:45.000Well, yeah, because I represent most of the country.
00:13:47.000Actually, still the majority of the country does not have a college degree.
00:13:50.000And if I may bluntly critique the Democrat Party, you guys have become so college-credentialed and educated that you guys snobbishly look on the muscular class of this country, the people that kept things afloat and running during COVID. And yeah, I mean, the majority of the country didn't go to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Caltech, or Cal Berkeley, right?
00:14:33.000So when you say, and it's interesting because there's sort of that critique of the Democratic Party that we are captured by this sort of college elite.
00:15:51.000So the right is now low trust of institutions, where the left is high trust of institutions.
00:15:55.000We're the ones that challenge the COVID vaccine.
00:15:57.000We're the ones that think that public health authorities might have lied to us during COVID. We're the ones that don't necessarily believe the government when it says that we should keep on sending money to Ukraine.
00:16:21.000And so from your perspective, I mean, as you advocate for people to sort of open up a worldview that is life without a four-year degree and all the opportunities that present themselves anew in that respect, are you arguing for the disestablishment, the end?
00:16:39.000I think it's going to happen no matter what.
00:16:41.000I mean, in 10 years, artificial intelligence is going to change everything.
00:16:44.000And I don't know what these four-year degrees are actually doing to prepare these kids for that.
00:16:48.000But no, as far as like, I'm not, I mean, am I advocating for the end of the pursuit of learning?
00:17:07.000And in fact, it creates a very weak political movement, which I think plays into one of the reasons why we were able to steamroll you guys back in November is that once there's a little opposition against a group of people that have never actually had to build the muscle mass of a very difficult and unpredictable world, whereas those of us that are conservatives, we're insulted all the time.
00:17:28.000So think about the experience of a kid on a college campus.
00:17:31.000They say they're graded differently because of their views.
00:17:54.000I don't want to belabor the issues of the establishment plot called higher education.
00:18:00.000Some have not you referred to it, though maybe you align yourself.
00:18:03.000I wrote a whole book called The College Scan.
00:18:06.000It's sort of stress testing that in the context of some would argue.
00:18:11.000The contra-argument is, you know, a million dollars more in lifetime earnings, more likely to get married, less likely to get divorced, more likely to be civically engaged, and longer life spans with college degrees.
00:19:19.000Talk about the inversion of how we fund education.
00:19:22.000Look, I... And by the way, just FYI, having just put together a career master plan, we had a master plan in the state of California that created the UC systems, the CSUs, and the community college system half a century ago.
00:19:33.000We've applied the same discipline to a career master plan in the state of California.
00:19:37.000And so I'm completely aligned with you in terms of a focus and energy there and looking at pre-apprenticeships, looking not even at apprenticeships in the traditional sense, but valuing and highlighting and signaling the value of a life without a degree, etc.
00:19:52.000I'm not as far off on this as you are.
00:19:55.000That said, I've got to admire what you've been able to do, not to weaponize, but to organize on these college campuses a different point of view.
00:20:05.000And again, let's talk about some of that.
00:20:07.000When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is next level.
00:20:10.000Clearly, that's expressed by my 13-year-old son.
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00:23:08.000now, then, Gavin Newsom asked me about the impact that Turning Point Action made this last election cycle.
00:23:14.000I bragged on it a little bit, but just to reiterate, at Turning Point Action, we had over 1,000 people on the ground in Arizona, Wisconsin, chasing ballots.
00:23:23.000A poster from Signal Polling showed that when we visited college campuses, students moved dramatically more in President Trump's direction versus campuses we did not.
00:23:33.000We have Turning Point USA, which is our high school and our college chapter beast.
00:23:37.000Also, Turning Point Academy, TPUSA Faith, Blexit, all the great work that we do on digital social media.
00:23:44.000And you guys should get involved with Turning Point USA.
00:23:46.000And then Turning Point Action, our 501c4 organization, all about how we are recruiting candidates, trying to make the Republican Party more conservative and more Republican, how we are chasing ballots.
00:25:30.000So, I mean, you could have the best organizers in the world, and you have 2,000 people chasing ballots in Arizona, and you're running Kamala Harris in Arizona.
00:25:38.000What we ended up tracking through our data is that the Democrats were chasing for us, is that they were chasing low-propensity Hispanics thinking that they were all for Kamala.
00:25:47.000And, in fact, we were looking at the precinct numbers of areas we didn't hit that moved, like, 20 points in Trump's direction.
00:25:53.000We're like, well, thank you very much, Kamala Campaign, for getting out and chasing our ballots and, you know, for all these Hispanic men that are mechanics.
00:26:22.000But what we always felt that we had is we felt we had better ideas and a better message and all that.
00:26:28.000The idea was, can we combo a little bit of organizing practices with a mass movement, which is how you get a national popular vote victory and an overwhelming electoral landslide.
00:26:48.000Organizing, but also coercion versus, you know, sort of forcing people to vote versus an enthusiasm and a desire to actually proactively get out.
00:26:57.000Actually, that has a backfiring effect, too.
00:27:17.000This was even before the tariff issues, etc.
00:27:20.000And then come back and strike went hot.
00:27:22.000And immediately, nobody else thought about you, who's just 24-7 flooding the zone, back to my 13-year-old, owning this space, every day getting a convert, every day picking up 1, 2, 10,000 folks, continuing the momentum, coming out of this damn election.
00:27:37.000And then I'm thinking about, we're going to stand back?
00:27:39.000And watch you run circles around us for six months, the next two or three years, waiting for the moment to finally strike.
00:27:48.000Strike struck me as not necessarily the best advice, and it's not a knock on Carville, who I have deep respect for.
00:31:45.000But I was actually on the issue of sports, which in the last few years has just exploded, trying to understand and understand the 10 athletes in the NCAA, 510,000 athletes, but 10 athletes.
00:31:56.000But how profound, and even my own friend cohort.
00:31:59.000People saying, what the hell is going on?
00:32:04.000So in 2000, it turns out in 2014, years before I was governor, there was a law established that established the legal principles that allow trans athletes in women's sports.
00:32:15.000But the issue of fairness is completely legit.
00:33:27.000It comes from, and we as conservatives tend to view things through right or wrong or just or unjust.
00:33:33.000And the country is going far more in our direction and away from your direction because...
00:33:39.000The problem with oppressor oppressed is eventually you run out of oppressors and you start creating them out of thin air.
00:33:45.000And you start trying to say, well, these people must be blamed for all of our problems.
00:33:50.000And that's where you get a lot of the, let's just say a lot of, for example, there's a Wall Street Journal editorial like, when will the white men shut up or stop complaining?
00:35:14.000Woke is calling something racist or unjust until you control it.
00:35:18.000I probably should have chimed in there with this chat with Governor Newsom.
00:35:21.000I actually think I did pretty well here.
00:35:23.000We're talking about the border crisis, all of the crimes that BLM allegedly committed, also Robin DiAngelo's white fragility.
00:35:32.000In California, they are the petri dish of these very ideas.
00:35:36.000Again, I was able to get some of that into this conversation.
00:35:39.000I probably could have done an even better job of listing up one, two, three, four, five examples.
00:35:46.000But there's only so much you could prep on.
00:35:47.000We are prepped on homelessness and cost of living and cost of housing.
00:35:50.000But understand, Gavin Newsom, he is the Anthony Fauci of CRT. He is the person that has been pushing forward CRT and DEI for his entire career through California.
00:36:03.000And California is the Wuhan Institute of Virology of woke-ism.
00:36:07.000From the UC system, Cal Berkeley, Stanford, it all happens in California and it's being taught to kids on a daily basis.
00:36:15.000And then you had the video that, oh, it was a validator.
00:37:23.000You can say to those people, you're racist, you're Nazis, you're fascist, you're terrible.
00:37:26.000Or you can listen and be like, why is it?
00:37:29.000That a steel worker in Pittsburgh who's voted Democrat his entire life is voting for Trump despite all of the stuff that's been thrown at him.
00:37:37.000And all the rhetoric that he's thrown at us in that context.
00:37:41.000But it's a pattern, and the trans thing is just one of those things.
00:37:45.000But the second element was also what we saw under Joe Biden was if you came to the southern border from any country and you spoke the magic words, you could go to any city you're choosing, CBP1 border app, All of a sudden, that steel worker in Pittsburgh is like, why am I paying all these taxes?
00:39:48.000And was that wrong, I mean, to address the issue of racial inequality?
00:39:51.000I mean, there's legitimate issues as it relates to past practices.
00:39:54.000What was insulting to a lot of people is, number one, where's the money going?
00:39:58.000Because the top premier BLM charity ended up being a racket, right?
00:40:02.000With Patrice Cullors, like, where'd that $100 million go?
00:40:05.000So all of a sudden we learn that, and all these pledges of corporate dollars were going to this woman that's, like, higher.
00:40:12.000No, that became the poster child for the broader movement.
00:40:18.000But number two, which I think was most important, was that it elevated then this scholarly community that was otherwise fringe, like Robin DiAngelo and other people.
00:40:28.000And her book, White Fragility, literally the entire premise of her book is that white people need to stop being so fragile about race.
00:40:34.000You need to sit down and shut up and hear how racist you are.
00:40:40.000And by the way, just so you understand, this was a phenomenon over months and months, and it didn't quite catch up in time for the 2020 election.
00:40:47.000I do believe that if you guys would have been a little less insane on crime in the summer of 20, you would have completely clobbered us in November of 20.
00:40:54.000It was the riots that even made 2020 close.
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00:43:17.000Prop 16 would have had legalized racial prejudice, which got defeated by 16 points despite all the institutions.
00:43:24.000So you're asking me, what did wokeism look like when California, when all the institutions, yourself included, with all due respect, embraced this insane ballot measure?
00:44:26.000And so what ends up happening is a broader question of sensible, not racist suburban moms that are like, wait a second, I have an eight-year-old white son.
00:45:01.000You could say that, but maybe you should convene a special session and say no more race-based teaching against white people in the schools of California or Asians.
00:45:12.000I'm just saying, though, that this is not a conjecture.
00:45:51.000Where they make kids walk ahead based on certain questions, and they try to make a point saying, well, you see, the white people are ahead.
00:46:47.000So it's not just acronyms that we dislike for the record, but it feels like that sometimes.
00:46:53.000And now this is the second most viral part of our conversation, where Governor Newsom thought he had me bringing up book banning.
00:47:00.000I should have probably said this in the discussion, but saying that the Bible is pornographic is so insulting to faithful Christians across the country.
00:47:09.000Governor Newsom thinks like, oh, I can get you on book banning.
00:47:13.000This is how every conservative, every Republican should talk about the Banning of books.
00:47:18.000That every single conservative Republican should talk about how the books that very well might be banned in our schools.
00:48:30.000But again, what I... But it seems a banning binge.
00:48:33.000I mean, at next level, sort of cancel.
00:48:35.000But why do you think moms are doing that?
00:48:37.000Do you think it's because they want to have mind control, or do you think that they have come across incident of incident of highly provocative material?
00:48:45.000I love moms, but this moms, I mean, we don't have to get into Moms for Liberty.
00:48:48.000I mean, you brought up the book bans, though.
00:48:50.000Deeply organized for a larger agenda, but that's my humble opinion.
00:48:55.000But let me just, you know, kind of complete the point, is that it's easy to just call it kind of a book ban, but when you actually have to read some of these books, it will take your breath away.
00:50:03.000If you want to learn, Governor, and I'm happy that there is a movement of moms that is not, that's growing, where they feel as if our kids are being hyper-sexualized.
00:50:11.000And I agree with them, that they are being, that they have to hear topics.
00:52:02.000Accountable to two kids talking about the fact that they're talking about subject matter.
00:52:08.000All of a sudden now we have to have teachers policing speech or conversations that kids are having.
00:52:13.000I think you would even agree, Governor, that is an over-extreme example.
00:52:15.000What we're talking about is if, which happens a lot, unfortunately, is if a young girl says that, hey, I want to transition.
00:52:24.000And the teacher accommodates and affirms it, and the parent doesn't even know.
00:52:28.000I have met parents like that in this state.
00:52:30.000I heard Trump, and then they come back, and they're away.
00:52:32.000There's so much extreme work in this space.
00:52:34.000I will say, and we don't have to wrestle too much on this topic, but you guys will lose on these topics, and you might disagree.
00:52:39.000But again, I'm one of those guys, and Charlie, I appreciate, and I, by the way, appreciate the civility in which we're engaged in this conversation, sincerely.
00:53:13.000More broadly, professionally, the Democratic Party and our brand.
00:53:16.000And one of the reasons, to your point, the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed.
00:53:22.000Your self-awareness is helpful to know, because it is deeply unpopular, and I think that is an ascendant political force that is not going away.
00:53:33.000No, I appreciate it, but I also appreciate you hold deeply unpopular beliefs as well.
00:53:37.000Of course I do, but I... But you're not running for office.
00:53:39.000I'm not going to run for president as a moderate.
00:54:08.000Do you guys think I should run for office?
00:54:10.000You guys should put in the comments of whether or not you guys think I should run for office.
00:54:13.000I think I'm more effective doing what I'm doing here, reaching millions of people, starting a mass movement, running Turning Point USA. So go in the comments and let me know what you think.
00:54:24.000If you are a private student loan debt borrower, listen carefully.
00:56:43.000Those of us that believe in America, believe in freedom, believe in liberty, believe in borders, want a strong country, want men to be men and women to be women.
00:56:51.000We are the dominant political force because we could defend our ideas without someone whispering in our ear, giving us prepared notes.
00:56:59.000Governor Newsom seemed a little uncomfortable.
00:57:41.000We're in the sort of, you know, it's Newsmax, One American News, Fox, and then it gets into all the stuff that you guys are doing and everybody else.
00:57:48.000And meanwhile, I'm safe over here at MSNBC and CNN, reading the New York Times, feeling really great about things and having a nice glass of Chardonnay, listening to Rachel Maddow, self-medicating and just going, yes, yes.
00:59:28.000I feel it's asymmetry of Donald Trump and Elon Musk sending out tweets or you doing social media and me doing a three-minute hit at three o'clock in the afternoon on CNN. I mean, how the hell do we compete?
00:59:45.000Well, I mean, part of it, and credit to you for doing long-form podcasting, because long-form podcasting does penetrate different audiences, right?
00:59:55.000Part of the problem of the Democrat Party, that for the health of the country would be great to change, is that Democrats cannot survive in long-form podcasting environments.
01:00:30.000Bobby, who's now HHS. But there's something to be said that if you want to earn the respect of forgotten America, you have to show them that you can intellectually joust.
01:00:39.000With no script, no hard breaks, no producers in the ears, no teleprompters.
01:01:09.000And the old adage is, well, politics is downstream from culture.
01:01:12.000I think politics and culture are indecipherable from one another now.
01:01:15.000Donald Trump became a cultural phenomenon, right?
01:01:18.000You go in to, you know, inner city Compton, you'll see guys with Trump shirts with, you know, the hand up, you know, fight, fight, fight.
01:01:26.000So what Democrats are doing is you're still playing in a very old, hypersanitized media environment.
01:01:31.000And my advice is you got to go where it's unpredictable, where it's treacherous, where it's dangerous.
01:01:36.000I would make a more provocative argument that you wouldn't necessarily resonate with, which is that you guys have not built the intellectual muscle over 30 years because you all agree with each other all the time.
01:01:48.000Not like conservatives are massively disagreeing at the moment.
01:01:52.000Trump has completely collapsed the conservative movement.
01:02:05.000That's an important but separate issue.
01:02:06.000I just want to finish the point and we can talk about Congress, which is that in the Republican Party, we have immense and vocal and public spats all the time.
01:02:49.000The Paul brothers, our program, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh.
01:02:52.000There's a singular one on the left, which is Pod Save America, which is just like a bunch of Obama bros agreeing with each other for 90 minutes and saying that we're not very smart.
01:03:21.000You see, we as conservatives talk about what is right or wrong, not just who the biggest victim is.
01:03:27.000Every way the Democrats look at issues, and you can see Gavin Newsom has been programmed to believe this throughout his life, is to look at where is the victim in the situation.
01:03:36.000We look at what is moral or immoral, right or wrong, fair or unfair, just or unjust.
01:03:43.000We then talk about how I do not drink.
01:03:46.000He seemed very surprised by this, considering he owns a very nice vineyard in Napa Valley.
01:03:50.000So you can see I kind of slipped that in there.
01:03:54.000I want you to guess before you watch this how I answer what Democrats I actually like.
01:03:59.000But there is this unhealthy purification process that Democrats go through where they kick any nonbelievers out of their ranks.
01:04:08.000Democrats are pushing people out of their own party.
01:04:11.000And we are far more ideologically healthy and diverse.
01:04:16.000You see, for us and in our party, we believe the best ideas win.
01:04:21.000Democrats believe the most oppressed wins.
01:04:24.000And what I should have probably brought up, and looking back, hindsight, again, I thought I did pretty well, but looking back, I should have said, Governor, you guys had to nominate Kamala Harris under these rules.
01:04:36.000You could not jump over Kamala Harris because she was a black woman.
01:04:42.000Since she was a black woman, you were not able to jump over her.
01:04:46.000Otherwise, they could have got to a better candidate.
01:04:48.000And deep down, I think Gavin Newsom knows that he has no place in the Democrat Party as a white man.
01:04:57.000You're making a deeper argument that we're not, and you didn't say it again in a maligning way, but that we're just not capable because we're not hardwired.
01:05:32.000And then secondly, I would just say that the philosophy on the worldview, as I mentioned earlier, that you guys have adopted, is that thou which is oppressed will get the most points.
01:05:42.000You guys don't have thou that has the best idea wins.
01:05:45.000And because of that, you guys have an elevation of, like, hey, we're going to eventually, we're just going to have a small subset of a minoritarian, hectoring, hall monitor assistant principal vibe.
01:05:57.000Of people telling you that you're not allowed to say these words and you can't say that.
01:06:01.000And we call that political correctness, which in and of itself is hyper-authoritarian.
01:06:05.000So if you seek to understand why young men are rebelling, it's like, no, I'm not going to go along with this anymore.
01:06:12.000For example, maybe I'm going to send out a stupid tweet when I'm 17 years old.
01:06:16.000When I'm 26, I shouldn't have to get fired because of that, right?
01:07:23.000Bud Light was people that don't have a lot of power, consumers using their agency to say, no, powerful corporation, I'm not going to voluntarily associate with you.
01:07:30.000But cancel culture has always been the incumbent person with power, a governor, a principal, a boss, a CEO, a corporate board, going against the weaker.
01:07:39.000What we did with Bud Light was just a bunch of decentralized folks doing a good old-fashioned boycott.
01:07:58.000So let's go back to Democrats being totally incompetent, incapable of spending 30, let alone 45 to an hour having a conversation broadly on podcasts.
01:08:57.000This is a great point, though, Governor, is that Bobby Kennedy was a heterodox opinion on a thing that a lot of people were concerned about.
01:09:08.000You guys see how you have an unhealthy purification process where eventually you're left with just a 31% approval rating?
01:09:14.000And a bunch of people that are talking to each other.
01:09:17.000And meanwhile, we're the ones that have Democrats in our cabinet winning the electoral majority vote.
01:09:22.000Because there needs to be said, if Democrats are serious about being a majority party ever again...
01:09:28.000When somebody has a disagreement, for example, if there's a pro-life Democrat, is there a place for a pro-life Democrat in the Democrat Party?
01:09:59.000Susan Collins is a pro-choice Republican.
01:10:02.000No, and Trump himself decided to pivot a little bit.
01:10:05.000He's more pro-choice than I am, for sure.
01:10:07.000But what I'm saying, though, is what you see in the Republican Party is the best, in my opinion, culmination of modern politics, and it doesn't get appreciated.
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01:12:11.000There were 7,000 people in California that had ICE detainers on them that were not touched at all.
01:12:17.000Also talking about the quality of life.
01:12:18.000Everyone here in this audience, your quality of life has slipped dramatically in recent years thanks to big government Democrats just like Gavin Newsom.
01:12:27.000Thanks to the one-party rule of states like California.
01:12:30.000California has the highest housing prices, the most homelessness, the second highest housing prices, the highest cost of living.
01:12:40.000The quality of life has slipped dramatically in the great state of California.
01:12:44.000And Gavin Newsom is solely responsible for the downfall of San Francisco and the downfall of California.
01:12:50.000Let me ask you, just on the Democratic Party side, forgive me, I do want to just, look, where, so our effort to get out of the wilderness, you know, on the woke culture wars, on some of these issues, on providing a more diverse campus, dare I say, of opinion and pulling people in.
01:13:12.000But what else do you, I mean, do you feel this party, I mean, you had a point that the Republican Party is now going to be the dominant and Senate party.
01:13:18.000I'm not saying that, I don't have that kind of pride.
01:13:21.000I'm not saying, I'm saying right now we are the ascendant worldview, but we could screw this up easily.
01:13:26.000You have to have the humility to say that.
01:13:27.000But like, as of the recording of this podcast, we have a majority approval rating, won the electoral, I mean, all that stuff.
01:15:06.000No, it's knowing your enemy and looking at the horizon and understanding what's coming.
01:15:10.000But anyway, if I were to give you or somebody advice, I'll give you the BNC-level stuff, which is very simple.
01:15:15.000You have to go to war with your own party on three major things.
01:15:18.000You've got to say, we are not going to do this illegal immigration thing anymore, which includes, like, are you going to work with ICE? We do work with ICE. By the way, just so people can do this.
01:15:30.000I, in fact, directly, we actually put out the data.
01:15:34.000I actually reached out to the administration saying, are you not aware that California coordinates and cooperates with all CDCR releases over 10,000?
01:15:45.000You've got the statewide sanctuary state and you've got local sanctuary cities.
01:15:47.000Which Governor Brown signed it, not you.
01:15:48.000Yeah, which in the statewide framework allows us to work as it relates to issues of criminals and coordinating the release of criminals from our state prison population.
01:16:01.000We coordinate with ICE on the deportation.
01:16:04.000We've done that over 10,000 times since I've been governor.
01:17:09.000I just don't think that's the best use of our time.
01:17:10.000But on the political advice is that Americans increasingly believe...
01:17:14.000That their good-heartedness and charitable nature towards the LGBT issue has overblown, especially with youth sports, youth curriculum, and the chemical castration of our kids when it comes to this medical therapy.
01:17:26.000And you seem that you want to really...
01:17:27.000I encourage you, Governor, to learn about some of the butchery under the guise of health care that is happening under chemical castration in this state and in other states.
01:17:35.000We don't have to spend a lot of time on that, but the American people are overwhelmingly against it.
01:17:55.000The CAST report, the United Kingdom CAST report, the NHS came out and said there's no good reason to ever operate surgically on a young person.
01:20:48.000By the way, just in that spirit, don't you agree one of the Doge things should be dealing with the $1.5 billion of subsidies on carrying interest?
01:20:55.000Oh, carried interest, I think, is a huge problem.
01:20:57.000And by the way, you know President Trump has proposed in his tax bill to get rid of it.
01:20:59.000I know he proposes it all the time, but it doesn't actually have a good effect.
01:21:02.000Oh, hold on, but I mean, Joe Biden didn't get rid of carried interest.
01:21:04.000That is the holy grail of private equity.
01:22:19.000There's no administration in modern California history that's done more to reform the housing space and the regulatory space as it relates to the issue of housing.
01:22:27.000Biggest challenge right now is NIMBYism.
01:22:29.000The biggest challenge we have is local planning and zoning, and that's why we've been very aggressive.
01:23:53.000So when I talked to a college kid, one of the reasons they saw Trump as a vessel for a better life is that under President Trump, those first four years, we saw a material increase in their livelihood, wages, easier to buy a home, four years.
01:24:09.000Four years, just the facts are the average wage to be able to own a home in L.A., to be able to own a home.
01:24:19.000I mean, what it does, and this is, again, it's creating...
01:24:23.000This kind of belief system of Russian serfs of a generation that will never have the material American dream that their parents once enjoyed.
01:24:30.000Yeah, no, and look, I think it's a full circle on this conversation where you began by identifying...
01:24:50.000The point you're making, Scott Galloway and others have been making, as it relates to this generational theft, he's spot on on this, and I think there's so much validity to you recognizing that problem.
01:27:45.000In a world where a lot of people will say one thing and do another, they were honest brokers.
01:27:49.000But I don't think that Gavin Newsom is actually having a metamorphosis on any issue.
01:27:53.000I don't think Gavin Newsom has any closely held issues.
01:27:58.000I think he cares about what will keep him in power and get him closer to the presidency.
01:28:03.000So, hope you guys enjoyed my conversation with Gavin Newsom.
01:28:06.000There is now a Democrat Civil War underway, large in part thanks to our conversation.
01:28:10.000It was good to be able to challenge one of the leaders of the Democrat Party on who they are and why they have failed the American people and also to continue to remind them they are losing young people.
01:28:19.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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