The Charlie Kirk Show - Nancy Pelosi, Dictator of the House | In-Depth with Speaker Newt Gingrich

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00:02:50.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:52.000 With us today is a legend of the conservative movement and one of the wisest, smartest people, I think, in the entire country.

00:02:59.000 Speaker Gingrich, who has a new book out that I encourage everyone to purchase.

00:03:04.000 Beyond Biden is the book, Rebuilding the America We Love.

00:03:09.000 Mr. Speaker, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:11.000 Tell us a little bit about this book.

00:03:13.000 Well, first of all, it's always great to be with you, and you do an amazing show.

00:03:18.000 When I sat down and tried to decide on my next book, I decided not to do an anti-Biden book, which obviously would have been pretty popular, at least among our folks, because I thought Biden himself would prove to be sufficiently anti-Biden.

00:03:32.000 And that's exactly what's been happening.

00:03:34.000 But I was concerned about the country.

00:03:37.000 What are the things that when Republicans get back in charge, they should focus on?

00:03:43.000 Because it's not enough to just be anti.

00:03:46.000 We have a real competitor with China, which is, I think, a genuine danger to eliminating our freedom and our independence. 1.00

00:03:53.000 We have great challenges in our inner cities, both from crime and in education. 1.00

00:03:59.000 We have a huge challenge on the border with illegal immigration.

00:04:03.000 You know, you go down the list.

00:04:04.000 And so I wanted to write a book that was beyond just being anti-Biden and that really talked about this is the kind of stuff we're going to have to do.

00:04:13.000 We got to roll our sleeves up if we're going to be successful as a country.

00:04:17.000 And I absolutely think we have to think in terms of modernizing America.

00:04:23.000 We have very old bureaucracies that are based on the industrial era.

00:04:28.000 They don't work very well.

00:04:29.000 And that includes the Pentagon, which we just saw in Afghanistan.

00:04:33.000 It includes NASA, which has had a particularly large project that is absurdly overpriced, two of them actually, that are extraordinary over budget and over time.

00:04:43.000 It includes all the major bureaucracies in Washington and from them, parallel bureaucracies at the state and local level.

00:04:50.000 So we have a lot to do.

00:04:52.000 And Beyond Biden is my effort to begin to communicate how big the changes have to be.

00:04:58.000 Well, and I appreciate it because there is this ongoing debate, and I would love your take on it of how much do we talk about of things that happened, like the 2020 election?

00:05:09.000 How much do we focus on things that need to be done?

00:05:12.000 And then how much do we focus on things that are currently happening, such as the Biden regime?

00:05:16.000 You're making the argument that we need to have a little bit more of a forward-thinking approach, obviously not discounting things that happened previously.

00:05:25.000 What's the correct balance in that sense?

00:05:28.000 Well, I think other than stipulating that the 2020 election was rigged, where we have a brilliant book by Hemingway entitled Riggs.

00:05:40.000 So it's pretty straightforward.

00:05:42.000 I think we need election reforms.

00:05:44.000 Overwhelmingly, the American people want you to prove who you are.

00:05:48.000 They want the votes to be honest and accurate.

00:05:50.000 And we're seeing in most of the Republican states serious, methodical election reforms to get to honest elections where everybody gets to vote, but we know who they are.

00:06:00.000 We know they're legally a citizen.

00:06:02.000 We know they're allowed to do it.

00:06:03.000 Then I think I would sort of argue for a two-step process.

00:06:09.000 Inflation is terrible and is a natural consequence of big government socialism.

00:06:14.000 And therefore, here's what we would do about it.

00:06:17.000 The border being uncontrolled is a disaster.

00:06:20.000 And therefore, here's what we would do about it.

00:06:22.000 So I think it's always, it should always be a one punch at them and then an open hand offering a better future on our side.

00:06:30.000 And I think if we do that, then when we do win, and I think we're going to win big next year and even bigger in 2024, then we enter office knowing what we're going to do.

00:06:41.000 That's part of what we did with the contract with America is we had 10 major goals.

00:06:47.000 Everybody signed up to them.

00:06:48.000 And the result was when we did win the first majority in 40 years, we're in a position to actually do what we promised.

00:06:57.000 And I think that's a very, you know, the thing that drives people crazy is when, for example, Biden runs as a unifier and promptly is a divider.

00:07:06.000 I think people, you know, people would like to know in advance, what are you really going to do and do you mean it?

00:07:11.000 And so in the book Beyond Biden, you have a couple of different parts.

00:07:14.000 The first part is we will win again, which I appreciate the optimistic and forward-thinking tone.

00:07:19.000 Then you say rebuilding the America we love.

00:07:22.000 And one of the topics I want to zero in on is you say understanding and defeating wokeism and the moral case against wokeism.

00:07:29.000 Mr. Speaker, I would argue that wokeism gives us, the conservative movement, an opportunity to build a coalition that we have not had since the Soviet Union, where it's like, if we do not defeat this, then almost nothing else matters.

00:07:42.000 What's your opinion on that?

00:07:43.000 And then talk a little bit about the existential threat posed by the diversity, equity, inclusion, wokeism regime that seems to run almost every major part of American life.

00:07:54.000 Well, I think we just had a real demonstration of this in the Youngton campaign in Virginia.

00:08:01.000 It was when Glenn Younkin went to Loudoun County and met with a thousand people who were angry about the schools.

00:08:09.000 They were angry about critical race theory, which is essentially racism on the left.

00:08:14.000 They were angry about being taught false history in the 1619 project that's designed to fundamentally undermine America.

00:08:22.000 They were angry about the elimination of grades and opportunities for excellence.

00:08:27.000 And when they came together, all of a sudden a campaign, a normal Republican campaign, might have been just on the economy.

00:08:36.000 And certainly the old-time establishment Republicans would have said, oh, don't touch these issues.

00:08:41.000 But I think Glenn realized when they looked at these thousand people that there was an energy and a drive coming in Virginia that was going to change everything.

00:08:49.000 And by the way, that energy included Latinos, it included Asian Americans, it included African Americans.

00:08:57.000 There was a real interest from ethnic groups who really care about education because they understand that's the road for their children to rise to a better future.

00:09:09.000 And they see attacks on, for example, excellence in education as attacks on their children's future.

00:09:15.000 So I think that we have an opportunity to forge an alliance.

00:09:20.000 And for example, Governor DeSantis, running against an African-American opponent, got 19% of the black female vote in Florida on the issue of school choice because black mothers wanted their children to have a better future, felt that the unionized bureaucratic government schools weren't succeeding.

00:09:42.000 And as a result, 19% of them, one out of every five basically, voted against the African-American liberal Democrat in favor of the Republican conservative because he was campaigning for their children to have a better future.

00:09:57.000 So I do think taking on wokeism in all of its various forms and, you know, pretty simple model.

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00:11:30.000 And I think we're starting to see a consensus amongst even establishment Republicans that this needs to be rooted out and defeated.

00:11:37.000 So, Mr. Speaker, something I don't quite understand, and Yunkin kind of, I think, stumbled into this, is why Republicans do not continually embrace the sort of very specific, clear, and transparent contract with America that you led with in the 90s.

00:11:53.000 If there were to be a contract with America today for this next election in 2022, what would it be?

00:11:59.000 Educational choice, parental rights?

00:12:01.000 Why is it that Republicans just seem to not be able to get out of their own way when it comes to this?

00:12:06.000 Well, look, I think there's an old tradition in the Republican Party, particularly among the country club Republicans, that they're better than that, that they don't get their hands dirty with those kind of issues.

00:12:19.000 And I think part of what Trump did was he broke loose both the basically anti-confrontation Republicans who disliked Trump and became known for Trumpers, and he broke loose the blue-collar workers of every ethnic background.

00:12:36.000 Remember, Trump in 2020 got a higher percentage of the minority vote than any Republican in 60 years.

00:12:44.000 And that's because he was willing to take on and talk very bluntly and candidly about people who have radical views and want to profoundly change America.

00:12:56.000 Now, I think, and this is where I think Glenn Young may be a very important figure in American history.

00:13:03.000 Young could be a natural sort of establishment Republican.

00:13:07.000 He's very successful economically.

00:13:09.000 He was the co-chair of the Carlisle Group, which is the largest investment group in the mid-Atlantic.

00:13:16.000 But he found that the hunger was to take on the left on their awoke values.

00:13:25.000 And he was smart enough to respond and realize as a leader that he'd have a lot bigger army if he was prepared to roll up his sleeves and get in the middle of that fight.

00:13:34.000 And I would say for next year, first of all, for the first time since 1994, I now advocate that we do have a contract with America both next year and again in 2024.

00:13:46.000 And I would say that education issues have to be at the center of that.

00:13:52.000 Now, I also would argue that we want to have a balanced budget at the center of it because we did balance the budget for four years when I was speaker.

00:14:00.000 We can do it again.

00:14:02.000 And nothing will force dramatic change in government waste and government corruption as rapidly as insisting on a balanced budget.

00:14:10.000 So I think that's in a way a moral issue also.

00:14:13.000 And frankly, something on crime and police has to be done.

00:14:16.000 When you have the largest increase in murders in one year in American history, you know that even in the big cities which are nominally Democrat, there are a lot of people who are scared and who want more police, not less.

00:14:31.000 They want them better trained, but they want more of them.

00:14:34.000 And I think, again, Republicans should embrace that kind of position.

00:14:38.000 And so, Mr. Speaker, you've seen a lot, and I'd love your take on the FBI and Merritt Garland Department of Justice now having special threat tags to go after parents that show up at these school board meetings.

00:14:53.000 A lot of people please, yes, go ahead.

00:14:55.000 No, I think, first of all, I think it's scary when the Department of Justice becomes a political arm that is pursuing people for political reasons.

00:15:05.000 I think that's actually frightening and is a serious step towards a police state in the worst sense.

00:15:12.000 Second, I think that just the absurdity. 0.99

00:15:15.000 You have lots and lots of Chinese agents penetrating America. 0.92

00:15:19.000 You have a challenge of terrorism. 0.95

00:15:21.000 You have the largest increase in murders in modern times. 0.88

00:15:25.000 And you have 1,400,000 illegal immigrants breaking the law, coming into the U.S. without any COVID test, without any check on their criminal background. 0.66

00:15:38.000 But the FBI is going to worry about parents.

00:15:42.000 Now, if you want an example of why I think big government socialists are crazy, here is a perfect example, how they could possibly have a meeting and say, you know what we really need to do is shift our resources because of these dangerous parents who sometimes even get angry at the lying people who have been ruining their children's lives.

00:16:09.000 The idea that that is a, first of all, that's a question for the FBI as opposed to local police maintaining order.

00:16:16.000 And second, the idea that that outranks the Chinese terrorists, murders, and illegal immigrants tells you that this administration, you know, I think has, I don't think it has a political problem. 0.94

00:16:26.000 I think they have a mental health problem. 0.95

00:16:29.000 Yeah, and that's a question, isn't it?

00:16:30.000 And I'd love your take on it.

00:16:33.000 Are they really trying to wage a domestic war on American citizens or are they just so misguided? 0.97

00:16:38.000 They're so incompetent.

00:16:40.000 Where do you fall on that kind of debate, Mr. Speaker? 0.52

00:16:44.000 I think clearly they despise Americans who work.

00:16:50.000 You'll notice that their various mandates don't apply to people in welfare. 0.99

00:16:54.000 They don't apply to illegal immigrants, you know, because they're okay. 1.00

00:16:59.000 But now these working Americans, they're dangerous. 0.99

00:17:02.000 They clearly are anti-patriot. 0.91

00:17:04.000 I mean, you know, it's terrific if you kneel when the Pledge of Allegiance or the national anthem is played.

00:17:11.000 But you have to worry a little bit about what if you actually know the words, the Pledge of Allegiance.

00:17:15.000 Does this make you a fascist?

00:17:18.000 And I think that you, you know, there's a Lebanese college professor in Canada named Glad Saad.

00:17:25.000 It's an unusual name.

00:17:26.000 We've had him on our show.

00:17:27.000 He's a writer.

00:17:28.000 Well, you know what he's like.

00:17:29.000 He's very funny.

00:17:30.000 And his point is that leftism is a virus and it gets in your brain and you can't argue with these people because the virus in their brain won't allow them to listen to reason. 0.98

00:17:43.000 And it really moved me when we had him on my podcast and I decided, you know, that the best single explanation of this is that these people are crazy. 0.77

00:17:53.000 And so I was asked yesterday, you know, by somebody, we were in a meeting talk about how you deal with public debate. 0.74

00:18:00.000 And somebody said, well, you know, what do you do when somebody just gets up and says you're a racist? 0.98

00:18:05.000 And I said, well, I laugh and say you must be crazy. 0.98

00:18:09.000 I don't debate them. 0.97

00:18:10.000 I mean, a person who thinks, you know, and particularly when you realize that they think Clarence Thomas can't be black because he's a conservative or the new lieutenant governor of Virginia can't be black because she's a Republican.

00:18:22.000 And what you're dealing with, of course, is a pathology, not an ideology.

00:18:27.000 That's right.

00:18:28.000 And I think immediate dismissal is the only way you can handle with that.

00:18:34.000 The only way.

00:18:34.000 And I agree.

00:18:35.000 So again, the book is beyond Biden.

00:18:38.000 If people are just kind of tuning in now and want to pick up a copy, I encourage it.

00:18:43.000 But Mr. Speaker, I agree with you that the Department of Justice targeting parents is scary and dangerous.

00:18:48.000 Let's say Republicans take back the House and the Senate.

00:18:51.000 What can start to be done about this?

00:18:53.000 Especially you look at what they're doing with James O'Keefe and Project Veritas.

00:18:56.000 We are seeing the weaponization of the Justice Department in a way that I have not seen.

00:19:02.000 What wisdom do you have to share of actually a roadmap to actually start to fix some of this?

00:19:07.000 Well, first of all, they have to have investigations and hearings and use subpoena power, and they have to get all the internal documents.

00:19:14.000 We have a pretty good notion now, for example, that the National School Board Association was actually being coached by the White House in order to write the letter for the Justice Department.

00:19:25.000 And the Justice Department was already prepared to issue the orders as soon as they got the letter.

00:19:30.000 No, I think having that laid out, and then frankly, they should move to impeach the Attorney General Garland because he clearly is violating the rule of law.

00:19:42.000 They should move to replace the head of the FBI, and they should use the power of the purse.

00:19:48.000 They should say very clearly, if you don't clean this up, we're going to cut your budget in half.

00:19:53.000 I love that.

00:19:54.000 And but, Mr. Speaker, do you think that's realistic?

00:19:57.000 Do you think the next, do you think that the old, the old bulls in the Senate, you know them.

00:20:02.000 You think they're really going to do that?

00:20:02.000 I'm not going to say any names.

00:20:04.000 Or is it going to be a little bit of...

00:20:05.000 Well, a good number of the old bulls are retiring.

00:20:08.000 Well, that's good.

00:20:09.000 You know, nothing against old bulls.

00:20:11.000 I like Chuck Raskin, but I think the young bulls would do it.

00:20:14.000 I also think that Republicans are faced with a real crisis.

00:20:20.000 They're almost certainly going to win.

00:20:22.000 And they're going to win against a government, which is deeply corrupt.

00:20:27.000 I mean, one of the things that I think that has to happen from day one is hearings about Hunter Biden.

00:20:32.000 I totally agree.

00:20:33.000 And hearings about how he manages to become an artist all of a sudden and get paid absurd amounts of money and who is paying it.

00:20:41.000 And let's find out how many of them are Chinese, Ukrainian, and Russian.

00:20:46.000 But the depth of corruption in this administration, I think, exceeds anything that we've ever seen in American history.

00:20:52.000 And that's saying a lot.

00:20:53.000 We've had a couple of cycles where the system was pretty corrupt.

00:20:57.000 But these guys are, and they're so blatantly arrogant and so willing to lock you up.

00:21:04.000 And again, the sadness of watching the New York Times side with the police state against Project Veritas, which is totally in the long run, in the disinterest of the New York Times, because they're setting up a stage here where the government could intervene and seize things that historically have been protected.

00:21:27.000 And I think that's very, very, very dangerous.

00:21:30.000 We're not going to be a free society if the Pelosi dictatorship in the House and the Department of Justice kind of attitude, which is dictatorial, continues to grow and spread.

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00:24:07.000 Well, I'm pleased to hear that, Mr. Speaker, because kind of my one of the themes we've been having on this show is inflation is a major crisis, China is, but the domestic police state issue has to be a top priority for House Republicans and Senate Republicans, given the opportunity they have.

00:24:23.000 So let's talk about that politically.

00:24:25.000 And then I want to ask you about some other things that are happening in the news.

00:24:28.000 And again, the book is Beyond Biden.

00:24:30.000 Everyone go buy a bunch of copies.

00:24:31.000 They make great Christmas gifts.

00:24:33.000 And I love the thesis of the book.

00:24:35.000 There's some great chapters here: the moral case against wokeism, freedom, work, and property, peace, safety, and stability.

00:24:40.000 But, Mr. Speaker, it seems you said something that made me chuckle where you said the Republicans have a problem.

00:24:45.000 They're almost certainly going to win.

00:24:47.000 So let's first start there.

00:24:49.000 Republicans always capture every opportunity to mess up the inevitable.

00:24:54.000 Just talk about what you think is coming in the midterms and what do Republicans need to do to sweep this into major victory?

00:25:02.000 Your thoughts.

00:25:04.000 Well, look, I think I was very privileged as a young congressman to work with Ronald Reagan in 1979-80 when he was a candidate to help organize the first Capitol Steps event,

00:25:19.000 which led to us winning control of the Senate and to see a presidential campaign which was ready to govern and which, with the help of the Heritage Foundation, which wrote a book called Mandate for Change, which had 250 experts.

00:25:35.000 And the people who wrote each chapter ended up being recruited by Reagan to run the part of the government that he wrote about.

00:25:41.000 So we really had a dramatic positive impact from day one.

00:25:46.000 Similarly, when we did the contract with America, we got every single member of the House Republicans who were running to sign the contract.

00:25:54.000 And therefore, we knew the day after the election what we were going to be doing for the first hundred days.

00:26:00.000 And it gave us a unity and a purpose of real reform.

00:26:05.000 And I think the Republicans have to do something like that next year because the worst thing that could happen to them would be to win, flounder around, accomplish nothing, and set the stage for them to recover in 26 or in 24.

00:26:21.000 So I think that we can get this done.

00:26:24.000 I think it's very hard work.

00:26:26.000 We have a project that I'm working on called the American Majority Project, not conservative or Republican, the American Majority Project.

00:26:34.000 Yes.

00:26:35.000 And I have a simple test, which is to take almost any topic like buying gasoline, buying food, looking at illegal immigrants coming across the border, and simply asking the question, do you think this is working? 0.52

00:26:47.000 And then everybody who's in the it ain't working coalition, which will be much bigger than the Republican Party.

00:26:55.000 I think then you have a chance to put together the American people and to start rolling up your sleeves and getting things fixed.

00:27:01.000 So, but, you know, I hope they're listening to you, and they should.

00:27:04.000 I think you're the best speaker the Republican Party has had.

00:27:08.000 And especially, you see what you got done in the 90s.

00:27:10.000 Let me ask you about that.

00:27:11.000 So I have respect for Kevin McCarthy.

00:27:13.000 He's a friend of mine.

00:27:15.000 You know, he has to do a very tough balancing act.

00:27:17.000 He is unlike Boehner and Ryan, where he does not declare war on the base of the party, which obviously I sympathize with.

00:27:24.000 What is your public advice to what Speaker McCarthy has to do to balance the different camps?

00:27:29.000 And what should he do with the Kinzinger-Cheney types that seem to be more kind of Democrat lights and they want to just keep on the carousel of going after Trump?

00:27:39.000 In the difficult job of being Speaker, what would your wisdom be in that?

00:27:42.000 You know, I've thought about it a lot because I was Speaker and I've thought about how do you handle certain kinds of problems.

00:27:50.000 First of all, I think Kevin's done a good job overall.

00:27:52.000 It's a very hard job.

00:27:54.000 And he has run a balancing act.

00:27:56.000 He's faced with a dictator.

00:27:57.000 And then, and I mean this literally, Nancy Pelosi runs a dictatorship. 1.00

00:28:01.000 She kneecaps people. 1.00

00:28:03.000 She coerces them. 1.00

00:28:04.000 She does things to Republicans that are a violation of 240 years of American history.

00:28:10.000 And she is extraordinarily destructive of the concept of freedom. 0.88

00:28:15.000 So he's got a different situation than I had.

00:28:19.000 But I think he's done a good balancing act.

00:28:22.000 He was very positive in 2000 with a commitment to America.

00:28:26.000 He recruited brilliantly.

00:28:28.000 People thought he was going to lose 25 seats.

00:28:30.000 He won 15.

00:28:31.000 That's a swing of 40 seats in expert prediction.

00:28:35.000 He is positioned now, I think, to become a majority.

00:28:38.000 And my advice, public and private, is really simple.

00:28:42.000 Focus totally on building the biggest possible majority.

00:28:47.000 That's one.

00:28:47.000 Two, announce right now, we will have a committee on committees.

00:28:53.000 And the committee on committees will review everybody, Democrat and Republican.

00:28:58.000 And we are going to create a brand new committee with no staff, which will basically be a turkey farm.

00:29:06.000 And that committee will have no jurisdiction, have no duties. 1.00

00:29:10.000 And we are going to select Republicans who are idiotic and Democrats who are destructive. 0.99

00:29:16.000 And so Waters, for example, will, Maxine Waters will lose her chairmanship and be transferred to the Turkey Committee. 1.00

00:29:25.000 The Turkey Committee will be sized by the number of people who are turkeys. 0.85

00:29:30.000 And there will be a couple of Republican turkeys. 0.94

00:29:33.000 We're going to treat them with great dignity.

00:29:35.000 They will have a committee.

00:29:37.000 They won't be able to go home and say that they weren't given a chance.

00:29:40.000 But we're not going to pretend that somebody who is a total turkey has got to be treated with respect.

00:29:47.000 And we're going to take every single Democrat and require them to come and appear before the executive committee of the Republican Party if they want to get a committee of any kind.

00:30:00.000 And if they don't want to come and appear, they will have no committee assignment next year because Pelosi has set the terms.

00:30:06.000 That's right.

00:30:07.000 And the terms are majority party gets to totally run over the minority party.

00:30:11.000 And we're going to take that playbook.

00:30:13.000 We may not do it the second time we're in charge, but for the very first time we're in charge for 22, for 23 and 24, we are going to let Democrats learn that there is, in fact, payback.

00:30:25.000 And I think to not do that would be a terrible mistake.

00:30:29.000 I totally agree.

00:30:31.000 And they're not even allowing bill markup sessions.

00:30:34.000 They're not all the precedent has been thrown out.

00:30:37.000 Can you just elaborate a little bit more on that, Mr. Speaker, on the unprecedented nature of the czar Pelosi?

00:30:43.000 I'm glad you call her a dictator. 1.00

00:30:44.000 She is. 1.00

00:30:45.000 She's a thug. 1.00

00:30:46.000 She has blackmailed. 0.99

00:30:47.000 So explain that.

00:30:48.000 Elaborate how she has changed.

00:30:50.000 We talked about Biden so much.

00:30:51.000 What is she doing now that has never been done before? 0.98

00:30:54.000 Well, let me start with why I'm so passionate about this.

00:30:58.000 When I became Republican whip, the Soviet Union still existed.

00:31:03.000 But under Gorbachev, they'd gone into Glasnost and Perestroika and they were being more open.

00:31:10.000 And one day we got a call and there were about 20 journalists from the Soviet Union who were coming to visit.

00:31:16.000 And would I meet with them, tell them about the U.S. House and so forth?

00:31:20.000 So they showed up.

00:31:22.000 We talked for a while.

00:31:23.000 I took them on the floor of the house.

00:31:24.000 It was not in session.

00:31:26.000 And I thought, you know, let me give him a real feel for this.

00:31:28.000 So I picked one of them and got him to stand where the president stands when he says, gives the state of the union.

00:31:36.000 Then I picked another one from Latvia and I got him to sit in the speaker's chair behind the president.

00:31:43.000 I pointed out that the speaker is above the president during the state of the union, and so is the president of the Senate, who was the vice president, because the president's there as their guest.

00:31:54.000 But in that room, he is actually subordinate to these two.

00:31:58.000 Well, the guy from Latvia comes down out of the chair and he's physically trembling.

00:32:04.000 And he says to me, you know, all these years from the time Russia occupied us in 1940, those of us in Latvia really knew that America was our friend.

00:32:13.000 And we never believed any of the propaganda.

00:32:16.000 And he said, you've allowed me to sit at the center of freedom on the planet.

00:32:22.000 Now, that was his view of the U.S. House.

00:32:24.000 It's the center of freedom.

00:32:27.000 And it's a great tradition coming out of the English common law, coming out of the Magna Carta.

00:32:33.000 You know, there's 700 years, 800 years now, of tradition.

00:32:39.000 Nancy Pelosi is a dictator.

00:32:41.000 She's in the tradition of Cromwell.

00:32:43.000 She's in the tradition of people who centralize power. 1.00

00:32:46.000 She's a thug. 1.00

00:32:48.000 She brutalizes people. 1.00

00:32:49.000 She runs over them. 0.99

00:32:50.000 She establishes rules that are crazy.

00:32:53.000 And by the way, you can tell the difference.

00:32:55.000 I was in the Senate yesterday wandering around by myself without a name tag, without having to be escorted.

00:33:04.000 You go to the House, they meet with whistleblowers off of Capitol Hill because otherwise the whistleblower is recorded by the Capitol Police as they enter the buildings.

00:33:15.000 I mean, she has established on the House side of the Hill a dictatorship. 1.00

00:33:21.000 And literally, I'm embarrassed to say this because I'm a creature of the House, but the Senate today is much freer and much more open than the U.S. House.

00:33:30.000 It's truly humiliating.

00:33:33.000 Examples.

00:33:35.000 Why do we have subcommittee and committee hearings?

00:33:38.000 To draw out information.

00:33:39.000 Somebody has an idea.

00:33:41.000 Is it a good idea?

00:33:42.000 Is it a bad idea?

00:33:43.000 Well, you bring in people who are for it and people who are against it.

00:33:47.000 And you have hearings and they go on the record and you ask them questions.

00:33:51.000 And inevitably, you improve it because there are lots of people in this country who know vastly more than congressmen about any specific topic.

00:34:01.000 Then you have to vote on it.

00:34:03.000 And the subcommittee votes on it.

00:34:05.000 They have amendments.

00:34:06.000 And some of the amendments pass, some of the amendments fail.

00:34:08.000 Then you go to the full committee and you do the same thing.

00:34:12.000 Then you have to go to a rules committee and make the case for why what you're doing is important enough that they should give you a rule to be heard on the House floor and to be voted on.

00:34:22.000 Then you go to the floor, you make speeches in favor and speeches against, and then you normally have an amending process again to improve the bill.

00:34:32.000 And then you finally get to final passage.

00:34:34.000 Now, you've gone through a series of open public things.

00:34:38.000 One of the things I was proudest of when I became Speaker is we created the Thomas system.

00:34:44.000 And Bill Archer, the chairman of Ways and Means, got up one day in January, holding a card that he read from and said, I have just filed the Tax Cut Act of 1995.

00:34:57.000 And that act is available for free on the internet at the Thomas system.

00:35:02.000 And here's the URL to get the act.

00:35:05.000 You don't have to have a lobbyist.

00:35:06.000 You don't have to belong to an association.

00:35:09.000 You personally can go and read it yourself.

00:35:12.000 Now, compare that to the secrecy of a multi-trillion dollar bill being introduced one night and voted on the next day by a group of robots who are lockstep because they're terrified of Pelosi.

00:35:27.000 And you can see that everything we think of as freedom is being crushed by the Pelosi dictatorship.

00:35:34.000 I think it's truly more frightening than the Justice Department because in the end, if you end up with a Congress which is totally dictatorial, it will then lead to an even more dictatorial government.

00:35:48.000 Look, if you've been keeping up with the news, or even if you haven't been, you might hear the word tapering being used a lot.

00:35:55.000 It's the new Federal Reserve new buzzword, and you'll hear all kinds of meaning and definition for it.

00:36:03.000 But what does it really mean?

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00:36:10.000 You guessed it, your pocket.

00:36:13.000 Janet Yellen said we'd never see another financial crisis in our lifetime when she ran the Fed.

00:36:18.000 Now, just four years later, she's warning of a catastrophe.

00:36:22.000 And here we are.

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00:37:20.000 That is so fascinating.

00:37:22.000 And honestly, Mr. Speaker, I haven't heard that much coverage or chatter about that as much as is war.

00:37:29.000 And I just want to thank you for that because you're right.

00:37:32.000 And I've heard this from many members of Congress.

00:37:36.000 And they say, Charlie, when we get the majority back, we're going to change some things because we are being punished.

00:37:42.000 We are being ridiculed.

00:37:43.000 We're being blackmailed in ways that we've never been before.

00:37:47.000 And what Pelosi's endgame is, I'm not really sure.

00:37:49.000 And I want to ask you that, Mr. Speaker, because this is something that I've actually been struggling with, and it involves Biden.

00:37:54.000 And again, the book is called Beyond Biden.

00:37:57.000 Usually when a president becomes less popular and starts to go down in approval ratings, they kind of pause and they don't continue or they don't accelerate the things that are kind of, let's say, attributable to their non-popularity or unpopularity.

00:38:15.000 Why do you think that this regime in the Biden White House is almost putting the foot on the gas pedal as they become less popular?

00:38:23.000 I can't quite figure that out.

00:38:26.000 I think they think that their defeat is inevitable and that this is their one moment to try to radically change America before they're thrown out and that there's nothing they can do to avoid it.

00:38:38.000 Because, you know, Bill Clinton was never forgiven by the left for having worked with me.

00:38:46.000 And it's literally that simple.

00:38:48.000 And in the spring of 1995, after we had taken control for the first time in 40 years, Clinton's advisors all said to him, you know, stick to the left, do the things that the true faith requires.

00:39:04.000 And Clinton, who'd been an Arkansas Democrat, was more centrist than most Democrats, and who had been defeated for reelection in 1980 and learned from that that, in fact, you could make people mad enough, they'd throw you out.

00:39:17.000 And then came back and won again in 82 and served after that.

00:39:21.000 Clinton said to him, if I do what you want me to do, I'm going to get beat in 1996.

00:39:27.000 I don't want to get beat.

00:39:29.000 So I'm going to work with Newt.

00:39:31.000 The next thing I know, I'm sitting up there.

00:39:33.000 He's coming in to give the State of the Union.

00:39:36.000 Funny side story.

00:39:38.000 He walks in.

00:39:39.000 You'll notice when the president comes into the State of the Union, they always give the Speaker and the President of the Senate a copy of their speech before they speak.

00:39:47.000 So Clinton comes in, hands Al Gore a copy of the speech and hands me an envelope.

00:39:54.000 And I look at Gore and I open the envelope and it says, from William Jefferson Clinton to Speaker Newt Gingrich, you are right.

00:40:04.000 I resign.

00:40:06.000 I was staring at that.

00:40:07.000 I show it to Gore.

00:40:08.000 We're both standing there laughing.

00:40:09.000 Clinton comes out and says, oh, I gave you the wrong document.

00:40:12.000 Here's the speech and takes it back.

00:40:15.000 Well, that's the speech where he says the era of big government is over.

00:40:20.000 Now, I have to stand and applaud.

00:40:22.000 I mean, what am I going to do?

00:40:23.000 The president of the United States, just even though he's a liberal Democrat, just said something I believe deeply.

00:40:30.000 The left never forgave him.

00:40:31.000 They didn't forgive him for welfare reform.

00:40:34.000 They didn't forgive him for signing a tax cut.

00:40:36.000 They didn't forgive him for balancing the budget.

00:40:38.000 The crime bill.

00:40:39.000 And so the crime bill.

00:40:41.000 So Biden is sitting there thinking to himself, I'd rather go down as the hero of the left than stay here selling out to all these people and being reviled by my base.

00:40:54.000 So I think they've made the decision consciously.

00:40:56.000 And of course, look at the age of Schumer and of Pelosi and of the other two senior leaders in the House Party.

00:41:04.000 These folks are all at the point in their lives where they better get it done now because they ain't going to get it done 10 years from now.

00:41:12.000 And so they're going for broke.

00:41:13.000 And if the polls are hold up the way they are now, they're just going to get annihilated.

00:41:18.000 I mean, this will be the biggest defeat for the Democratic Party since before Franklin Roosevelt.

00:41:24.000 You have to go back to the 20s, I think, to see the scale of the defeat that's coming.

00:41:28.000 And I don't think there's anything the Democrats can do to change that.

00:41:32.000 In fact, it seems as if they want to still pass the Build Back Better plan.

00:41:36.000 And so that's my last question is we kind of talked a little about this, what Republicans need to do and what they need to focus on, which is your prediction, you could pair it to 1994 and 2010.

00:41:49.000 We have some young listeners, Mr. Speaker.

00:41:51.000 We have 14-year-old listeners.

00:41:52.000 My last question will be, just remind people what you did in 1994, the profound and historic nature there, and the similarities you see between the two.

00:42:01.000 Well, in 1994, we had not been the Republicans in the House, had not been in a majority for 40 years.

00:42:08.000 So people assumed that we would lose and that we'd still be in the minority.

00:42:13.000 And when we won 53 seats and became a majority, it was a huge shock.

00:42:18.000 What made it a bigger shock was we did it with a document called the Contract with America, which everybody had signed.

00:42:24.000 We had a big event on the Capitol steps.

00:42:27.000 Everybody, all the candidates came.

00:42:29.000 They all went up and signed it.

00:42:31.000 So we actually knew in the first 100 days everything we were going to do.

00:42:36.000 And we worked very hard and we actually got it all done in about 93 days.

00:42:40.000 But one of the keys was that everything we picked had 70% approval or better.

00:42:47.000 So we're in a position to know that if you defended what we were talking about, you were inevitably going to have seven or eight out of every 10 people agreeing with you.

00:42:58.000 Welfare reform would be an example, reforming the House, making the House operate under the same laws as everybody else, balancing the federal budget, cutting taxes to create jobs.

00:43:09.000 These were all popular issues.

00:43:11.000 So our candidates had positive things to say, and they were committed to actually doing it.

00:43:16.000 Now, the thing that's interesting is it created a tidal wave effect.

00:43:20.000 We've gained the Senate, the House, picked up governorships, picked up state legislative seats.

00:43:26.000 We had regained the strength that we had not had for a generation.

00:43:31.000 And despite occasionally losing, we have remained across the whole country stronger than the Democratic Party.

00:43:38.000 There are more Republican state legislators.

00:43:40.000 There are more Republican governors. 0.99

00:43:42.000 And, you know, we're tied in the Senate only because we were incredibly stupid in Georgia, or we'd have a majority. 0.96

00:43:49.000 And we're right at the edge of breaking through on the House and having maybe the biggest majority since 1928. 0.95

00:43:56.000 So, you know, I think it was a historic moment.

00:43:59.000 But I would also say to 14-year-olds who are listening, you have a great, great future.

00:44:05.000 You look at SpaceX, you look at the likelihood that people who are listening to this podcast are going to, in fact, in the end, be on Mars, be on the moon, have lives of enormous adventure.

00:44:17.000 We're going to continue to have breakthroughs in healthcare and biology.

00:44:21.000 People are going to live longer and healthier.

00:44:24.000 And I'm excited about the next 40 or 50 years. 1.00

00:44:27.000 And that's why I wrote Beyond Biden, because I wanted to communicate: don't just get gloomy and down because these people are idiots. 1.00

00:44:34.000 Recognize that this is a free country and we have techniques for getting rid of idiots. 1.00

00:44:38.000 We wipe them out in the election and these guys will be gone. 1.00

00:44:42.000 And then you will have heard the last laugh from Kamala Harris, which will be a positive thing for civic culture.

00:44:49.000 The last cackle.

00:44:51.000 I can't wait.

00:44:53.000 That'll be a wonderful name of a column.

00:44:55.000 The last cackle.

00:44:59.000 Beyond Biden by Speaker Newt Gingrich.

00:45:03.000 I love the optimistic tone.

00:45:05.000 It's terrific.

00:45:05.000 And I enjoy the conversation so much.

00:45:07.000 Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you for being generous with your time.

00:45:10.000 Can't wait to see you guys.

00:45:11.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:45:12.000 Great.

00:45:12.000 Thank you.

00:45:16.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:45:18.000 If you want to support our show, you can do so at charliekirk.com/slash support.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 18, 2021

Nancy Pelosi, Dictator of the House | In-Depth with Speaker Newt Gingrich

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