The Charlie Kirk Show - Never-Trumpers On Trial with Eric Metaxas

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00:01:15.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:16.000 Welcome to this conversation with the incredible and the amazing Eric Metaxas.

00:01:21.000 Thank you very much.

00:01:22.000 So, Eric, you recently, we won't say any names, in a conversation as to why, was it Christians or conservatives shouldn't vote for Trump?

00:01:30.000 You were on the opposite side.

00:01:32.000 I was on the opposite side.

00:01:33.000 I was at John Brown University in Salom Springs, Arkansas, and there was kind of a panel, you know, a discussion.

00:01:39.000 You can't call it a debate, but effectively, I guess it was that with David French.

00:01:43.000 And we were socially distanced, like, you know, a thousand feet across the stage from each other.

00:01:48.000 And when he was speaking, I had to wear a mask.

00:01:51.000 And when I was speaking, he had to wear a mask.

00:01:53.000 Are you kidding me?

00:01:54.000 And guess what?

00:01:55.000 It worked.

00:01:56.000 No one died.

00:01:58.000 So thus far, fingers crossed.

00:02:00.000 So no one died.

00:02:01.000 And you were 900 yards away?

00:02:03.000 We were 900 yards away.

00:02:04.000 I had to use a very powerful scope to see him.

00:02:06.000 But it was an amazing experience.

00:02:08.000 No, and I advocated that Christians not only should vote for Trump, but must vote for Trump. 0.70

00:02:13.000 And he advocated the opposite.

00:02:15.000 And a good time was had by all.

00:02:18.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 So the essence of his position, we get these emails a lot on our podcast, is that Christians should not justify Donald Trump's actions or words.

00:02:27.000 I'm just trying to build out where he goes.

00:02:29.000 Here's the issue. 0.95

00:02:31.000 If you really demonize somebody in the way that they've demonized Trump such that he is patently a monster, then you say, I can't vote for a monster. 0.93

00:02:44.000 I can't vote for Hitler. 1.00

00:02:45.000 I can't vote for a man who is publicly cruel and who is a liar. 0.98

00:02:50.000 And I would agree with that, right? 0.98

00:02:52.000 Except it's preposterous.

00:02:55.000 Whatever they cite is either at best subjective or utterly false. 0.97

00:03:03.000 And so when you call somebody a liar, he is a liar.

00:03:06.000 And when Barack Obama says, you can keep your plan. 0.91

00:03:06.000 What is a liar? 0.91

00:03:09.000 If you like your plan, you can keep it.

00:03:11.000 So is he now like he's a liar forever?

00:03:13.000 Like he's just branded as a liar?

00:03:15.000 You know, the idea that Trump speaks hyperbolically, comedically, nobody who doesn't understand that will be able to deal with it.

00:03:28.000 And the mainstream media has become ultra serious, so serious that they can't appreciate nuance or inflection, whatever.

00:03:35.000 It's happened to me.

00:03:36.000 You know, you crack a joke.

00:03:37.000 Like half the time I'm speaking semi-jokingly, and you realize people are going to interpret it in a flat-footed way.

00:03:44.000 And they're going to say, you said that, you said, you declared Jesus was white.

00:03:47.000 It's like, no, that was kind of like a setup for like a punchline of an A, but they don't care.

00:03:52.000 So articles get written.

00:03:54.000 That, of course, is Trump's life.

00:03:56.000 So whatever he does gets so twisted.

00:03:58.000 So the argument is not an argument.

00:04:01.000 I mean, if you are convinced that he is the devil 2.0, well, I guess I wouldn't vote for him either. 0.96

00:04:08.000 But I think that the facts or the points that folks like French make just strike me as pure subjectivism, that they just don't like the cut of his jib and they inflate it into him being some kind of a pole pot figure. 0.94

00:04:26.000 No, yeah, but was it policy focused at all, or was it all personality?

00:04:29.000 Well, that's the issue.

00:04:30.000 In other words, it didn't strike me as being policy focused.

00:04:33.000 It struck me as, for example, one big thing that he did, which I was not prepared for because it strikes me as just so crazy.

00:04:42.000 He inflates the boogeyman of the alt-right and on and on.

00:04:49.000 And I just thought, what are you talking about?

00:04:51.000 I mean, we have Antifa and BLM mobs burning down America.

00:04:56.000 And you're bringing up this thing that I don't know anybody that, you know, they say, oh, yes, there are alt-right riots and they're all right.

00:05:05.000 You know, what are you talking about?

00:05:06.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:05:07.000 Dates, locations, names, people.

00:05:09.000 It's just, it's just absolutely.

00:05:12.000 And then another big talking point is that, you know, Trump's main man, you know, Steve Bannon said that he wanted, you know, to Breitbart to be a platform for the alt-right.

00:05:23.000 And it's kind of like, that's the QED.

00:05:25.000 And then I have to kind of point out, well, okay, by the way, Trump fired Steve Bannon, number one, number two.

00:05:32.000 I don't even know what you're talking about, even if it were true.

00:05:34.000 So it's become, it's, I'm not kidding.

00:05:38.000 It's a fiction.

00:05:39.000 It's a narrative.

00:05:40.000 This is kind of where the left is today.

00:05:42.000 But it's a huge fiction.

00:05:44.000 It's a huge narrative filled with emotion.

00:05:48.000 There's no real arguing with it because logic is almost kicked away as an oppressive, patriarchal Western concept.

00:05:56.000 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:05:57.000 And so it's got to be about somebody insulted my daughter who is black, and therefore every other Trump supporter must also be racist and, you know, on and on and on. 0.60

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00:07:29.000 So here's where I'm at on this with some of these conservative never Trumpers.

00:07:33.000 There's not that many of them, actually.

00:07:34.000 The data shows that Trump's the most popular Republican president running for reelection, even more so than George W. Bush, ever since Ronald Reagan.

00:07:42.000 So they're just louder and they're given a bigger platform because of how much the media hates President Trump.

00:07:47.000 And so there's nothing new about this idea of Republicans trying to play righteous, self-righteous about it.

00:07:56.000 What I'm just trying to square here is for those people of the world, the David Frenches, I think, and I don't want to impose too much of it, it's almost a pseudo-intellectualism that they have, though.

00:08:06.000 That's another way to talk about it. 0.60

00:08:09.000 In other words, it strikes me because I grew up in a working class environment.

00:08:13.000 I, you know, by going to Yale and living in Manhattan and traveling in these circles, I feel like I'm speaking bilingual, right?

00:08:23.000 So when Trump speaks with his hyperbole and his almost like a Jackie Mason humor shtick and the bluster and whatever, I get that language, right?

00:08:32.000 I don't read it like a dull PBS intern would read it, you know? 0.55

00:08:38.000 And I think that what happened is what Trump has done is he's flushed out, you also see this in the Christian faith, that you flush out those people who want their thing to be respectable.

00:08:51.000 Now, there's nothing wrong with that per se, but they are unwilling ever to ally themselves with someone they find somewhat embarrassing socially. 0.62

00:09:05.000 In other words, if you're not a Beltway intellectual, if you can't parry with George Will or Ross Douthett or whatever, you embarrass them.

00:09:17.000 And so in a sense, they have the same elitist view of the so-called deplorables that Hillary Clinton did.

00:09:23.000 And that's where I think this has broken down.

00:09:26.000 You can almost see that these are the people who they were fashioning for themselves a kind of intellectually respectable conservatism.

00:09:34.000 Now, we know it's intellectually respectable, but the point is that everyone who adopts it doesn't need themselves to be intellectually respectable.

00:09:41.000 I think there's a level deeper here, though, that Trump has signaled a shift that some of these pseudo-intellectuals on the conservative side have been sort of wrong about a couple of things.

00:09:50.000 And not just sort of wrong, but very wrong.

00:09:52.000 And especially on the issues of international trade, middle class, exporting, not just exporting jobs, livelihoods overseas, 15 million years.

00:10:02.000 No, no, no.

00:10:03.000 This is what I'm saying.

00:10:04.000 But he's statistic about it.

00:10:06.000 But he has thoroughly embarrassed them.

00:10:08.000 That's right.

00:10:09.000 He's humiliated them.

00:10:10.000 He has pointed out that the so-called Republicans have been as bad or worse or no better than the Democrats on some of the most fundamental issues, which, you know, I've heard people over the years say, oh, both parties are the same, both parties are the same.

00:10:27.000 And I've said, well, you've got to be kidding.

00:10:29.000 That's not true.

00:10:29.000 And then you realize on a lot of stuff that is precisely correct.

00:10:33.000 If you're willing to play patty cake with the satanic monster called China, communist China, and you're willing to be seduced by the free market as though it is a god, that if we introduce the free market, that suddenly they're going to sprout tricorn hats and muskets and they're going to recite the Declaration of Independence, the free market can't do that.

00:10:52.000 You need virtue.

00:10:52.000 That's exactly.

00:10:53.000 Which is why we're at the Falkirk Center here.

00:10:55.000 If you take virtue out of the free market, if you take virtue out of the Democrats, the whole thing breaks down, but none of them knew that.

00:11:03.000 The Democrats didn't know it, and the Republicans didn't know it.

00:11:06.000 And that's why today we are where we are.

00:11:08.000 And if I were to use a term tracing back or contact trace back, that's not probably the right term in space time, but whatever.

00:11:14.000 A little probably too soon to use that.

00:11:15.000 But going back 40 years ago, you had strict libertarian ideologues pairing up with corporate interests, and they believed that change came through laissez-faire economic trade policy.

00:11:25.000 When in reality, that's fine.

00:11:27.000 But if you're exporting into a civilization that does not believe in the Western ideal, made in the image of God, then that change is actually just going to make them richer and give them more of what they already have.

00:11:38.000 And it's also going to give them more power to oppress the weak.

00:11:42.000 And what they already have is tyranny.

00:11:43.000 So it makes their tyranny more effective.

00:11:45.000 Okay, and that's precisely. 0.98

00:11:46.000 Commercialize their tyranny.

00:11:47.000 And again, if you make an idol of the free market, you say, we're going to take morality out of it.

00:11:50.000 Okay. 0.99

00:11:51.000 So let's say you can manufacture ovens for the Nazis to burn Jews. 0.99

00:11:56.000 You're going to make money. 0.97

00:11:58.000 Are you going to be bothered about the morality of it?

00:12:01.000 Well, most people would know that that's the dirtiest money.

00:12:05.000 That's the devil's money.

00:12:06.000 I won't take that money. 0.99

00:12:07.000 But what happens when you're dealing with China and they have Uyghur Muslims in Johnson 20 million camps being treated? 0.99

00:12:13.000 I mean, look, the ones that are not murdered for their organs, I mean, this is so horrific, it's almost impossible to believe. 0.99

00:12:20.000 Murdered for their organs so that the Chinese government can make $500,000 off of a human being that they've murdered, okay? 0.90

00:12:28.000 That's happening. 0.93

00:12:30.000 So do you trade with someone like that?

00:12:32.000 Do you trade with someone that is using those people they don't murder as slave laborers?

00:12:37.000 Do you buy Nike shoes?

00:12:38.000 Do you go to NBA games?

00:12:40.000 If you don't have those conversations in a culture like this, we deserve to unravel ourselves.

00:12:46.000 We don't deserve the freedom and the only having this conversation because of Trump.

00:12:50.000 No one else was willing to have this conversation.

00:12:52.000 Precisely.

00:12:53.000 And I came from that old school of conservatism in my early years of the David French rights, which is you must worship free trade economics as if it is dogma of religion.

00:13:04.000 You can never question it.

00:13:06.000 The U.S. Chamber of Commerce must always be correct.

00:13:08.000 They've never been wrong.

00:13:09.000 How dare you?

00:13:10.000 You know, Trump's the worst thing ever because he's calling out China for what they're doing.

00:13:14.000 And then you actually take a drive from Manhattan to Milwaukee and get off the expressway and then just go into these old towns in Ohio and Indiana where there were these destroyed factories.

00:13:25.000 And they say, that's a good thing because we have Ricardo's law of comparative advantage.

00:13:29.000 Don't you understand?

00:13:30.000 Like, okay, so we get piles full of plastic and the church there.

00:13:33.000 Then go visit the church and go through the registry in 1980 and go through the registry now.

00:13:38.000 Now, for people of faith, David French is one, he should look at that.

00:13:41.000 The registry in those churches down 90%.

00:13:44.000 So it's not just a factory closed.

00:13:46.000 It's the entire, it's the entire middle part of the country, the faith.

00:13:50.000 And then so they say, well, that's far too materialist of you.

00:13:52.000 They say, oh, no, the materialism doesn't play that big of a role.

00:13:54.000 You're trying to tell me when you just tell 600 people earning $30 an hour, your jobs are now in Wuhan, go find something else to do.

00:14:01.000 And you do that for 15 million people. 0.99

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00:15:10.000 Well, you know, it's a funny thing because if you believe in the free market, you know, you have to deal with the morality.

00:15:18.000 At some point, you bump into, you know, is cruelty to animals, is cruelty to human beings?

00:15:26.000 What are the things that bump up against this idea of a pure free market?

00:15:31.000 And if China isn't all of those things rolled into one times a billion, then what is there?

00:15:37.000 So how is it conceivable that only this president had the courage and the wisdom to see this and to begin to deal with it? 0.53

00:15:46.000 I mean, if he did nothing else, that would be magnificent.

00:15:50.000 Well, and he's done so much more than that.

00:15:51.000 And also, I mean, he's exposed the fraud of the Republican Party of being purchased by the tech companies, of being an incestuous swamp within Washington, D.C., literally.

00:16:01.000 And you wrote a whole book called Donald Drain's the Swamp.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, a whole book.

00:16:04.000 Satire.

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.000 Which I think is, I don't think there's enough satire.

00:16:07.000 No, it's look, I've written three humor books, Donald the Caveman books, and they're meant to, in a way, explain all this stuff on the simplest level so that people realize, I'm not crazy.

00:16:16.000 This is what is happening.

00:16:18.000 But even a kid can understand it.

00:16:19.000 And there's nothing vile in the books.

00:16:21.000 So you can use them as kids' books because they look like kids' books.

00:16:23.000 But I think that most Americans kind of get this.

00:16:26.000 They get this stuff.

00:16:27.000 And I think, you know, people are willing to give stuff a pass for a number of decades.

00:16:31.000 And then at some point, the evidence is in.

00:16:33.000 I mean, when you look at the Democratic-run cities and the trillions that were spent, you know, the war against poverty, at some point, you look at it and you go, this has failed.

00:16:42.000 We now know this has failed. 0.99

00:16:44.000 And black Americans have been treated as suckers. 1.00

00:16:48.000 And now there needs to be a reckoning. 1.00

00:16:50.000 They need to reject it.

00:16:52.000 So to shift gears for a second, you had a great interview on Tucker Carlson about the church.

00:16:58.000 There are some pastors that come up and they say that the church has been the number one arbiter of white supremacy in our country.

00:17:04.000 And you refuted this really well.

00:17:05.000 What was your argument?

00:17:06.000 I mean, look.

00:17:07.000 You were terrific.

00:17:08.000 There are several arguments.

00:17:10.000 I'll simply say this.

00:17:11.000 When I saw that church using the language of the New York-based church.

00:17:17.000 Yes. 0.96

00:17:17.000 Well, look, they're a Jesuit lost church already. 0.96

00:17:21.000 But I'm saying that when you see the church of Jesus Christ using certain kinds of woke language, okay, when they talk about white supremacy, white nationalism, and so on and so forth, white privilege, it is no different.

00:17:35.000 It is exactly what the Nazis did to the churches in the 30s.

00:17:39.000 They did not say, we want to abolish the church, come and worship Satan, deny God.

00:17:44.000 No, no, no, no.

00:17:44.000 They infiltrated because they said, we're going to use these gullible people and we're going to ride along with them for a while or we're going to let them ride along with us for a while to stay out of trouble.

00:17:54.000 It's kind of like paying protection money.

00:17:57.000 It's like you play ball with us. 0.77

00:17:59.000 You put your Black Lives Matter and your flag and your rainbow flag outside of it. 0.93

00:18:03.000 And we'll leave you alone. 0.71

00:18:05.000 But the point is the people that are asking them to do this are themselves Marxists, cultural Marxists, who do not believe in God, who do not believe in the dignity of the individual, do not believe that we're made in the image of God.

00:18:16.000 So if you go along with this, which the German churches did and which many American churches are doing, you're riding on the back of a tiger.

00:18:23.000 This tiger intends to eat you, not to make friends with you. 0.51

00:18:27.000 And so this is something that is so ugly because if you're an atheist, you don't even have a reason to believe racism is wrong.

00:18:34.000 Think of the irony of this.

00:18:35.000 In other words, it's only the churches that said we're made in the image of God. 0.87

00:18:40.000 We have to abolish the slave trade.

00:18:41.000 We have to abolish slavery.

00:18:42.000 We have to work to abolish the Jim Crow laws and so on and so forth. 0.99

00:18:46.000 That all came out of the churches. 0.99

00:18:47.000 Martin Luther King knew that.

00:18:49.000 And since the 60s, we've gotten a different narrative.

00:18:52.000 It's the 1619 narrative.

00:18:54.000 And the ignorance of the churches to buy into this, thinking they're somehow playing along with somebody who will help them, they are signing their own death warrants.

00:19:05.000 And it's the death warrant of Western civilization, let's face it.

00:19:07.000 Well, the Bible built Western civilization.

00:19:09.000 Thank you very much. 0.95

00:19:10.000 That's exactly correct.

00:19:12.000 I think I said that on that show.

00:19:13.000 It's kind of funny because that's the point is like you reject that and you reject God.

00:19:18.000 Then you tell me on what principles are you going to build your civilization except power and blood.

00:19:23.000 But the horrific irony is the churches in the Bible built Western civilization. 0.87

00:19:27.000 Now churches are actively involved in destroying Western civilization. 0.81

00:19:30.000 Yeah, well, some churches, and I would argue those churches aren't real churches.

00:19:33.000 You know, they're sort of, they're the phony churches.

00:19:36.000 They're the same churches that operated when Wilberforce was fighting the slave trade.

00:19:41.000 And they, the Church of England, for example, owned plantations in the West Indies.

00:19:46.000 In other words, There's this thing called hypocrisy, and it's existed in the church from the beginning.

00:19:52.000 You know, Judas was pretending to be on board.

00:19:57.000 That has always existed, but it's always been the role of real people of faith and lovers of truth to speak up as clearly and loudly and courageously as they can.

00:20:06.000 Bonhoeffer did.

00:20:07.000 They didn't listen to him.

00:20:08.000 The question is today: will people in the churches wake up to what's being done to them by the atheist left?

00:20:15.000 And that remains to be seen. 0.52

00:20:17.000 And it's being infiltrated at the very highest level. 0.85

00:20:20.000 And you're seeing the black square, take a knee, racial penance movement. 0.87

00:20:25.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:20:25.000 I mean, it's absurd on many levels, but I think just the whiff of it, just the fact that it smells like what happened to the churches in the 30s in Germany, ought to be enough for people to say, I don't trust this. 0.88

00:20:38.000 So a lot of churches are still closed. 0.81

00:20:41.000 As we just mentioned, a lot of churches are funding the BLM Incorporated nonsense. 0.90

00:20:46.000 And this all kind of comes to this idea of whether we want Western civilization to continue to exist. 0.71

00:20:51.000 You wrote a phenomenal book about this.

00:20:52.000 Can you just take a step back?

00:20:54.000 What is the West?

00:20:55.000 And why is it so important we preserve it?

00:20:57.000 Well, let's think of it this way.

00:20:58.000 I mean, being Greek, I'm very happy to say that the West, in a way, is the confluence of Athens and Jerusalem, right?

00:21:05.000 You have a lot of good things that came out of.

00:21:07.000 And Scotland.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, I forgot Scotland.

00:21:11.000 You have a kind of being a Kirk in that.

00:21:15.000 I know, I know, I know.

00:21:17.000 We can't go too far afield. 0.99

00:21:18.000 I'm just going to stick to Athens and Jerusalem.

00:21:20.000 But the point is that something happened that results in what we call Western Christendom, which was one of the greatest cultures in the history of the world.

00:21:36.000 And that out of that came this thing we call the United States of America.

00:21:40.000 And it was the idea that we can govern ourselves and be genuinely free.

00:21:44.000 It was discovered fairly recently.

00:21:46.000 It was put into practice fairly recently.

00:21:49.000 And it has created an opportunity so that an infinite number of people could be raised out of poverty.

00:21:58.000 There's no zero-sum game.

00:21:59.000 We're able to create wealth.

00:22:01.000 We're able to spread freedom.

00:22:03.000 It's a magical moment in history.

00:22:06.000 And we've seen the full flower of that in the United States of America.

00:22:10.000 And in the last 60 years, people have begun to try to undo the whole thing and to discredit the whole thing.

00:22:17.000 And that's what we're fighting now.

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00:23:17.000 And the tragedy is that so many people are being taught that everything around us is not just bad, it's the worst thing ever.

00:23:24.000 That the West was a mistake.

00:23:26.000 It's a colonialist exploitation experiment. 1.00

00:23:29.000 Must be destroyed at all costs.

00:23:30.000 And this is where you get Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida.

00:23:33.000 Yes.

00:23:34.000 All of these people should move to North Korea because they will see how they are. 0.87

00:23:37.000 Some of them would actually enjoy that if they were in charge.

00:23:39.000 Well, no, but I mean, that's the whole point is that if you want to play that game, in other words, you have a choice between truth and liberty or this ugly, cynical, ultimately satanic game where some people will have the power and they will make all the decisions and everyone else will be ruled and governed from above.

00:24:02.000 That's the choice.

00:24:03.000 Now, if there were another choice, which they sometimes pretend there is, some kind of soft socialism or something, I would say, well, maybe.

00:24:10.000 But the fact of the matter is there is not.

00:24:12.000 And these people, animated usually by a kind of just pure emotional anger against something.

00:24:19.000 Maybe it's daddy, maybe it's, I don't know what it is, but they have allowed themselves to be angry and to point the finger at others and in effect to scapegoat others rather than say, I'm the problem.

00:24:34.000 I'm a sinner.

00:24:35.000 I need God.

00:24:36.000 The problem is somebody else. 0.59

00:24:37.000 Obviously, the Nazis did that with the Jews. 0.78

00:24:40.000 It's happened through history. 0.86

00:24:41.000 You find someone.

00:24:43.000 Right.

00:24:43.000 So you find someone to blame and you demonize them.

00:24:47.000 And we know how that goes.

00:24:49.000 And that's the path that the radical left has launched us on.

00:24:55.000 And if we don't fight it with everything we have, we will lose the greatest country in history, which gives the most promise and opportunity to those who are without, to those who are not flourishing. 0.85

00:25:11.000 In other words, if you actually care about the poor, if you believe Black Lives Matter, you must speak against the organization called Black Lives Matter. 0.79

00:25:19.000 You must vote for the president who is going to create opportunity and jobs. 0.83

00:25:23.000 And that's the great irony.

00:25:25.000 What we've been given, and it's a gift we've been given by generations prior to us, is more in jeopardy than ever before.

00:25:31.000 And the real unfortunate part of it is that it's so self-inflicted, is that it's so internal.

00:25:38.000 And it's going to be one of the first times we've seen in the modern era where it's not conquest.

00:25:44.000 It's not anything, but it's just an internal.

00:25:47.000 But it was predicted by Abraham Lincoln.

00:25:49.000 You know that Nietzsche also predicted.

00:25:52.000 Well, Nietzsche comes after Lincoln.

00:25:54.000 I know.

00:25:54.000 So he stole, just like Biden stole.

00:25:56.000 Nietzsche predicted the communist carnage.

00:25:59.000 Is that right? 0.64

00:26:00.000 Well, that I didn't quite know, but I guess the reason I say Lincoln is proclaiming the death of God. 0.91

00:26:03.000 Oh, yeah, no, no, definitely.

00:26:06.000 What comes after this is not good.

00:26:07.000 Like, it wasn't celebrated.

00:26:09.000 It was a eulogy.

00:26:09.000 It wasn't.

00:26:10.000 Anyway, it's a.

00:26:11.000 No, the only reason I bring up Lincoln is because Lincoln gave a speech in the Springfield Young Men's Lyceum, I think it was.

00:26:19.000 He was a very young man, you know, not much older than you, and he gave a speech where he talked about the slow artillery of time.

00:26:28.000 He basically makes the case that if we the people don't keep the Republic, in the words of Ben Franklin.

00:26:34.000 If you can keep it.

00:26:35.000 If we don't do that, we will destroy ourselves.

00:26:38.000 But there is no way anyone else can destroy us.

00:26:42.000 It has to come from within.

00:26:43.000 So Osgen has written a book called A Free People's Suicide, that it must be by suicide that we destroy ourselves.

00:26:48.000 So that's simply to reiterate what you said.

00:26:52.000 So any books you're working on currently?

00:26:55.000 Got another?

00:26:55.000 Yes, sir.

00:26:56.000 I love to talk about it.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, I have a book coming out in February, which is a literary memoir.

00:27:02.000 It's utterly apolitical, and it's only slightly spiritual.

00:27:07.000 It's the story of my life from birth till the moment around my 25th birthday when I had an utterly miraculous Jesus dream that changed my life completely and forever.

00:27:21.000 But I want to write a book to reach out to people who wouldn't read like a spiritual memoir.

00:27:26.000 It's just a story of growing up as the son of European immigrants.

00:27:29.000 My dad came from Greece.

00:27:30.000 My mom came from Germany.

00:27:32.000 And there's a lot of humor in it.

00:27:33.000 There's a lot of crazy stories and stuff growing up in that world.

00:27:37.000 And then going to a place like Yale and not really fitting in.

00:27:39.000 The title of the book is Fish Out of Water, A Search for the Meaning of Life.

00:27:42.000 And the fact is.

00:27:43.000 It's like man's search.

00:27:44.000 It's like Viktor Frankl with Franklin.

00:27:46.000 Less straight with more jokes.

00:27:47.000 Yeah, but with a nicer start.

00:27:50.000 But the fact is that it's the story of my life.

00:27:52.000 And I hope what it does is it gives people an opportunity to see what it's like just to grow up in America and the American dream, but then to realize if I don't know the meaning of it all, I can't enjoy it.

00:28:05.000 I have to know what is the meaning of life?

00:28:07.000 What is the meaning of my life?

00:28:09.000 Does life even have meaning?

00:28:10.000 At Yale and those kinds of elite institutions, they sort of teach you that life has no meaning, but they don't have the courage.

00:28:18.000 It's well-curated nihilism.

00:28:21.000 Exactly.

00:28:21.000 They don't have the courage to explain it or to say it because it's too nasty.

00:28:26.000 So they just sort of, you know, pretend that it's not true or that, you know, on the weekends, we've got alcohol and sports and get a really good job and in a few decades it'll all be over.

00:28:35.000 So my book is meant to be my story.

00:28:39.000 Your book, Miracles is Unbelievable, Seven Great Men.

00:28:41.000 And then you have seven other great men, right?

00:28:43.000 Seven more men, seven men, seven women.

00:28:47.000 Do you have seven women yet? 0.94

00:28:48.000 Seven women exist, of course. 1.00

00:28:49.000 And seven more women is being worked on. 0.99

00:28:51.000 And you have Monhoffer?

00:28:53.000 Yes.

00:28:53.000 And then If You Can Keep It.

00:28:55.000 If You Can Keep It.

00:28:55.000 I always get that and The Last Best Hope.

00:28:57.000 I mean, that's Krager's book.

00:28:58.000 I get them confused all the time.

00:29:00.000 Well, and of course, he ripped that off from Lincoln.

00:29:04.000 I ripped my quote off from Franklin.

00:29:06.000 So that's what came up from.

00:29:07.000 Eric, you got to go to the stage.

00:29:08.000 God bless you, man.

00:29:09.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:10.000 Thank you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 18, 2020

Never-Trumpers On Trial with Eric Metaxas

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