The Charlie Kirk Show - New York's Islamo-Socialist Revolution + No Blackpilling!

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It is June 24th here at the YRefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:24.000 Honored to be with you.

00:01:26.000 And boy, we have quite the moment, quite the reaction this morning.

00:01:32.000 The socialist sweep in New York City.

00:01:35.000 Mamdani's DSA machine flexing its muscles and portending. 0.57

00:01:40.000 Bad news. 1.00

00:01:41.000 An Islamo socialist. 0.99

00:01:43.000 It's an Islamo Marxist takeover of New York City. 0.97

00:01:47.000 It is not too crazy of a thing to say that New York City is now a post American city. 0.97

00:01:53.000 It is. 0.90

00:01:53.000 Post American. 0.90

00:01:55.000 It's the first outpost of, frankly, we should say it, European style leftism, third worldism. 0.79

00:02:01.000 Third worldism. 0.91

00:02:01.000 We have reported how on Britain they have people running for parliament in Britain whose main issue is Palestine and basically promoting Islamic radicalism. 0.91

00:02:14.000 Now we have that in the United States. 0.62

00:02:16.000 A state Senate seat in New York elected a person whose platform is basically, I'm going to speak for Palestine.

00:02:22.000 Yep.

00:02:23.000 In a state Senate seat in the United States. 1.00

00:02:25.000 So we've got Daria Liza Avila Chevalier. 0.57

00:02:25.000 Yep. 0.57

00:02:30.000 So she beat incumbent in New York's 13th congressional district, Adriano Espalat. 1.00

00:02:37.000 And she was Hispanic.

00:02:39.000 The chair of the Hispanic caucus just lost. 1.00

00:02:41.000 She wants to abolish everything. 1.00

00:02:44.000 She's a 32 year old DSA community organizer and pro Palestinian activist. 0.94

00:02:50.000 She was one of those ones that led those chaotic Columbia University protests.

00:02:54.000 She founded a group called Quad, which is basically pro Palestine, pro DSA.

00:03:02.000 She is a Muslim convert, okay? 0.92

00:03:05.000 She's against all deportations, even for criminals. 1.00

00:03:09.000 She wants to seize private property, nationalize industries, wiping her hands on the American flag as violent excrement, and questioning if Israel has the right to exist. 0.98

00:03:23.000 That's one. 1.00

00:03:24.000 She mocked U.S. service members as war criminals and attacked Democrats like Joe Biden as rapists. 0.93

00:03:32.000 So that's one, right?

00:03:34.000 It's pure radicalism, anti American rhetoric, pro genocide in Gaza talk while dodging full Hamas condemnations.

00:03:42.000 You won't condemn them at all.

00:03:45.000 And she has basically said she hates America.

00:03:48.000 Okay, so that's one.

00:03:50.000 How about Claire Valdez? 0.99

00:03:52.000 She beat Antonio Reynoso. 0.72

00:03:55.000 So that's another, that's New York's 7th district, Claire Valdez. 1.00

00:03:59.000 She's a full DSA union radical, state assembly member, proud Democrat socialist, labor organizer. 1.00

00:04:08.000 She wants to abolish ICE, give voting rights and citizenships to all illegals. 1.00

00:04:13.000 She wants to fund transgender treatments on taxpayers' dime. 0.86

00:04:17.000 She wants to push Medicare for all, kill private insurance. 1.00

00:04:20.000 She's all in on taxing the rich to oblivion, by the way.

00:04:25.000 I don't know what rich people are going to be left in this city.

00:04:28.000 Well, it's funny we say that because that is who is voting for this.

00:04:31.000 If you look at the numbers in New York, The old, just traditionally black or Hispanic working class bases of the party are not voting in favor of this.

00:04:42.000 The reason these candidates are winning is young, college educated people who've moved to New York and rich, young, rich, young, and middle aged progressives, far left progressives.

00:04:53.000 That's who's voting for this.

00:04:55.000 One of these districts, I believe the district, the one you were just citing, is the most gentrified district in the United States.

00:05:02.000 So that is what the Democrats who lost are pointing out.

00:05:06.000 This is a result of gentrification.

00:05:08.000 It's not that they're becoming more moderate.

00:05:10.000 It's that it's actually becoming much more willing to vote for what Rob Henderson might call luxury beliefs.

00:05:17.000 That these people, who frankly are bigger winners from the U.S. economy than most, are voting in favor of radical, burn it all down socialism.

00:05:25.000 Yeah, which is pretty incredible.

00:05:29.000 Brad Lander, New York's 10th, beat incumbent Dan Goldman.

00:05:33.000 Now, I have no love for Dan Goldman. 0.86

00:05:34.000 I think he's a douche.

00:05:36.000 But his big sin seems to be that he believes Israel has a right to exist. 0.98

00:05:41.000 He is a Jew after all.

00:05:42.000 So was Brad Lander. 0.88

00:05:43.000 So they picked a Jew to beat a Jew, except this Jew doesn't support military aid to Israel, prioritizes social spending, and aligns with Mamdani's machine in a big way. 0.91

00:05:53.000 Again, Mamdani endorsed. 0.79

00:05:56.000 This is a Manhattan slash Brooklyn seat.

00:06:00.000 And so, you know, he's all about the DSA, big government handouts, more free stuff, taxing the productive members of society into oblivion, seizing the means of production, the whole bit.

00:06:16.000 So, another triumph of ideology over reality.

00:06:20.000 Cozy up with the radicals who think your tax dollars should subsidize failure, lack of productivity, laziness.

00:06:29.000 But that's, I mean, this is the New York, right?

00:06:31.000 And we haven't even gotten to Aberclaw.

00:06:35.000 Aberclaw, that's the state senate leader, and she's basically, actually, we have video of her.

00:06:40.000 Let's just play it. 0.99

00:06:41.000 Let's just play her in her own words. 0.84

00:06:43.000 Let's go for it.

00:06:44.000 This is her talking about 9 11 22.

00:06:49.000 And finding that the system of capitalism and racism and white supremacy, et cetera, and Islamophobia have all been used to colonize lands, to take resources from other people.

00:07:04.000 And so this is a long trajectory.

00:07:07.000 And we're just seeing the manifestations of that continuation with 9-11.

00:07:11.000 And so a lot of times when people are asking us to respond about attack, if you look back historically, You know, a lot of us come from lands that were colonized, lands where wars are being waged, right?

00:07:25.000 A lot of times because of U.S. policy or the policies in Europe.

00:07:29.000 And so I find that we can connect over that, but then also that the idea that we have to apologize for like a terror attack that like a couple people did, and then there is no apologies or reparations for genocides and for slavery.

00:07:44.000 So let's unpack that there.

00:07:45.000 She says that 9 11 was the result of racism, white supremacy, and capitalism, that there should be no accountability for. 0.55

00:07:54.000 Radical Islam doing 9 11, unless there's reparations for colonialism.

00:07:59.000 And she threw in slavery there as well. 1.00

00:08:02.000 And that's who just won. 0.99

00:08:04.000 That is the person running for Senate. 1.00

00:08:06.000 If you weren't able to see the video there, we also had an image next to it where she was holding up a green headband.

00:08:12.000 I'm told that is a Hamas fighter headband, like the ones that they would be probably wearing during the 10 7 attacks, many other terrorist operations.

00:08:22.000 That is now a person headed to a safe seat in the New York State Senate.

00:08:27.000 Well, and Amber Kwas is apparently, she's born and raised in New York to Palestinian refugee immigrant parents. 0.61

00:08:37.000 You could define them as illegals.

00:08:40.000 She's a very proud Democrat socialist, community organizer, which is just code for radical Marxist, vocal pro Palestinian activist, as you just heard.

00:08:49.000 She is the first Palestinian Muslim woman elected to the New York State Senate.

00:08:55.000 She's in the primary at this point, but.

00:08:57.000 She's going to win.

00:08:58.000 So, Mom Dhani endorsed her heavily. 0.73

00:09:00.000 They teamed up on Not on Our Dime campaign to target and tax New York groups supporting Israel. 0.67

00:09:07.000 So, this is all. 0.58

00:09:10.000 I wish I could make any of this up, but I wish this was a joke.

00:09:13.000 It's not.

00:09:14.000 This is reality. 0.99

00:09:15.000 This is the first major city being completely colonized by a foreign ideology, largely powered by foreign born naturalized.

00:09:26.000 That means we bless them.

00:09:27.000 We put our hands on them and said, yes, you are part of us now. 1.00

00:09:31.000 Foreigners that do not represent American values, not the founders' values, not traditional American values, not Christian values by any means. 1.00

00:09:39.000 And we let this happen to us. 1.00

00:09:41.000 We let this happen to us.

00:09:42.000 You know, one of the things I often think about is Charlie would always say we have two roads to choose in front of us.

00:09:49.000 We have Momdaniism, Luigi Magioniism, or we have MAGA.

00:09:56.000 And the choice is very clear.

00:09:58.000 The fork in the road is very clear because when you see what's happening in New York, a place that used to be considered America's. 0.70

00:10:06.000 Best city, most important city, the city that embodied the spirit of America the most, being taken over by a foreign ideology, radicals often born in far flung places. 0.69

00:10:21.000 You realize that that is a really true thing that Charlie said because we have one is going to be some tough medicine, but we're going to get through it.

00:10:31.000 We're going to see the reemergence, the reindustrialization, the greatness of America reemerge.

00:10:36.000 The other is going to be something completely different.

00:10:39.000 And foreign and awful socialist experiments that have been tried all over the world and have failed everywhere. 1.00

00:10:45.000 I mean, that is that's really the important combination and why we talked about that socialist Muslim axis. 1.00

00:10:52.000 It's not that red, green, it's not even the red, green axis.

00:10:54.000 It's not even that Islam is a particularly socialist religion. 0.83

00:10:58.000 In fact, I'd guess a lot of these Muslims are not particularly Muslim, much like Zorhan Mamdani. 0.95

00:11:04.000 Zorhan Mamdani is a guy who'll say inshallah, he'll say Allahu Akbar, he'll kind of wear it performatively as. 0.64

00:11:11.000 An outfit, but he's clearly not a guy who's passionate about the teachings of the Quran.

00:11:17.000 But what it is, is it's essentially a great shorthand way of saying, I am not American in the traditional way.

00:11:24.000 I reject the traditional values of America. 1.00

00:11:28.000 I embrace this third world immigrant anti Western religion. 1.00

00:11:32.000 The reason there's a red green axis is they're both just anti West, anti American. 1.00

00:11:38.000 Why wouldn't we just team these together?

00:11:40.000 It's a nice blunt way of saying, I support the dissolution of Western civilization.

00:11:45.000 Well, and by the way, to your point, I think nobody embodies this red-green axis more than Chevalier. 1.00

00:11:52.000 She is a converted Muslim, okay? 0.98

00:11:55.000 Reverted is the word they like to use. 0.99

00:11:57.000 Everyone's naturally Muslim. 1.00

00:11:59.000 You're in rebellion. 1.00

00:11:59.000 This is a clip of her before she became a Muslim, and she's describing herself that she operates within the black queer feminist lens, okay? 1.00

00:12:09.000 This is before she converted or whatever. 0.61

00:12:12.000 24.

00:12:13.000 We chose to tackle the issue of permanent exclusion for many reasons.

00:12:16.000 As folks who operate within the black queer feminist lens, We know that the most marginalized should always be at the center of our work.

00:12:23.000 And we see this as part of our ongoing work to end broken windows policing, which criminalizes poor communities of color for merely existing.

00:12:31.000 Oh, you mean it actually criminalizes criminality?

00:12:34.000 Okay, whatever.

00:12:34.000 Imagine that.

00:12:35.000 Crazy person. 0.99

00:12:36.000 All right, but this is after she converted, 21. 0.97

00:12:39.000 I'm also the only Muslim in my family.

00:12:42.000 I reverted three years ago.

00:12:44.000 Actually, the friend who pushed me to do it asked me, Why have you fasted for four years and yet you haven't taken your Shahada?

00:12:50.000 When she asked me that, I thought, That is a great question.

00:12:54.000 And I thought for myself why I hadn't taken the step yet.

00:12:58.000 But it was seeing how all of my friends who were showing up to organizing, who are Muslim, were showing up in the space and the grace and love and passion that they had in these spaces of social justice that really pushed me to join the faith.

00:13:16.000 And wanting to make sure that we are reflecting that, that I'm reflecting that in every space that I'm in, and that, inshallah, if we make it to Congress, that we're reflecting that.

00:13:27.000 In the halls of power as well.

00:13:29.000 Inshallah.

00:13:30.000 Inshallah.

00:13:31.000 That's how it is. 1.00

00:13:31.000 First, she has the black queer feminist lens. 1.00

00:13:34.000 That's a way of saying, I'm not with the program that has traditionally made America successful, reject America. 0.99

00:13:41.000 And now she can go a different way. 0.99

00:13:43.000 She can don the hijab. 0.78

00:13:44.000 She can say, actually, Muhammad, the warlord who married a six year old, he had it the right way. 1.00

00:13:50.000 And that's the new cause I'm going to hit you up.

00:13:53.000 By the way, anybody that is against colonialism, whatever the hell that is, and then. 0.99

00:14:00.000 Converts to Islam, like they were the original colonialists. 1.00

00:14:04.000 I mean, look at their conquering history throughout Northern Africa, the Middle East, Southern Europe. 1.00

00:14:11.000 Just saying, a little bit of a Hippocratic gesture. 1.00

00:14:13.000 Just the fact that they're basically just colonizing America today because there are 55, 56 Muslim majority countries out there and none of them are really worth living in, it turns out. 1.00

00:14:24.000 They are the actual colonialists and they're trying to conquer the West. 1.00

00:14:29.000 They don't make any.

00:14:30.000 Ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:14:31.000 They don't try and hide that.

00:14:32.000 They say it out loud.

00:14:33.000 They say they're going to outbreed us.

00:14:35.000 They're going to run for office.

00:14:37.000 They're going to be in positions of power. 0.97

00:14:39.000 They're going to bring over their family members and they're going to keep coming an endless stream of foreigners with foreign ideology, a foreign conquering cult religion. 0.98

00:14:50.000 That's the plan. 0.98

00:14:51.000 And anybody who's not telling you that is lying to you.

00:14:54.000 Anybody who's not telling you that is being politically correct. 0.98

00:14:56.000 They're being cowards. 0.95

00:14:57.000 Charlie talked about it extensively. 0.98

00:15:00.000 Probably the.

00:15:03.000 Would you agree?

00:15:05.000 The thing he talked about the most in the last year was Islam. 1.00

00:15:09.000 And he warned about it, and we should heed his warning. 1.00

00:15:11.000 Yeah, play the clip, clip 40.

00:15:13.000 And people say, I like Mom Dhani because he's authentic.

00:15:17.000 But authentic to what?

00:15:17.000 And what is he aiming towards?

00:15:20.000 He's aiming towards a devolution.

00:15:22.000 It's bad either way. 0.99

00:15:23.000 By the way, if he eats rice with his hands, whether he means it or not, he's either authentically gross or he's being a fake, disgusting person. 0.87

00:15:30.000 And in some of the comments of a TikTok video I made, people said, but Charlie, who are you to judge other cultures? 0.92

00:15:35.000 No, no, no, no.

00:15:36.000 That's the point.

00:15:37.000 We in Western culture believe that our way of life is the best. 1.00

00:15:40.000 We're better than Mohammedism. 0.61

00:15:43.000 We don't do female genital mutilation. 0.98

00:15:45.000 Well, I guess the trans people do, but we don't do female genital mutilation. 0.78

00:15:49.000 We in the West don't have child marriages.

00:15:51.000 We don't believe in honor killings.

00:15:53.000 We don't believe in polygamy.

00:15:55.000 We believe in American exceptionalism.

00:15:56.000 We believe our culture is better.

00:15:59.000 You see, in the modern world, happiness is the goal, feelings are the guide, judgment is the ultimate sin, and God is the ultimate guest.

00:16:07.000 And let me say that again judgment is the ultimate sin.

00:16:10.000 You're not allowed to judge others.

00:16:11.000 Guess what?

00:16:12.000 I'm going to judge you if you eat rice with your hands.

00:16:14.000 That's bad.

00:16:15.000 That's wrong. 0.85

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00:17:19.000 So Jeremy Carl, he's the author of Protected Class.

00:17:24.000 He's a. 0.56

00:17:24.000 The unprotected class. 0.56

00:17:25.000 Unprotected class.

00:17:27.000 Fellow at Claremont, which we love.

00:17:29.000 So, Jeremy, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:17:31.000 Good to see you there.

00:17:33.000 You know, I'm jealous because you are far removed from the stench of New York City in your undisclosed location in a beautiful state that I'm jealous of.

00:17:43.000 But nevertheless, you have been opining on this.

00:17:46.000 You despise Mamdani, but you are giving some begrudging respect.

00:17:50.000 Explain yourself, Jeremy Carl.

00:17:53.000 I mean, I think he's a formidable politician, and he did, which I can just appreciate as an advocate.

00:17:53.000 Yeah.

00:17:59.000 Something that's just incredibly rare in politics, which is he both had the perceptiveness to kind of know where he could get wins.

00:18:09.000 And then he had the boldness to push for those wins, even if he made a bunch of power brokers in his own party happy.

00:18:15.000 And I mean, obviously, I hate the radical ideology that he is expounding, but I think he gets a great deal of credit for kind of understanding where the movement in his party is going.

00:18:26.000 Yeah.

00:18:26.000 And I think you're right.

00:18:28.000 And I want to just use that as a.

00:18:31.000 A jumping off point here for something Charlie said.

00:18:34.000 We played another Charlie clip, but he was so prescient on these issues.

00:18:37.000 I want to play 39.

00:18:39.000 Look, you have two options.

00:18:40.000 You can go MAGA or Maggioniism. 0.72

00:18:42.000 You can go MAGA or you can go Momdaniism. 0.98

00:18:45.000 You can go MAGA or you can go Mohammedism. 0.99

00:18:47.000 It's very funny how all the M's, MAGA is the only option on the right. 0.62

00:18:51.000 Neoconservatives are not coming back.

00:18:53.000 The corporate oligarchs, we're not going to let him.

00:18:55.000 So MAGA has cemented the worldview of the American right.

00:18:59.000 But the left, we don't know.

00:19:00.000 It could go Maggioni, which is the most extreme. 0.98

00:19:04.000 You could go Mamdani, which is very, very extreme, or you go Mohammedism, which is just Muslim Islamic takeover. 0.99

00:19:12.000 You get reform or you get revolution. 0.98

00:19:14.000 We at MAGA want to reform stuff.

00:19:17.000 Political undercurrent underneath Maggioni that cannot be ignored, that should not be dismissed.

00:19:24.000 And that political reality is that is on the American left.

00:19:28.000 Does seem like our future has a fork in the road and we get to choose reform or revolution. 0.61

00:19:34.000 Mamdani is a force for revolution.

00:19:37.000 In a very, very serious way.

00:19:39.000 And so while I agree with you, I give him begrudging respect, it's also terrifying.

00:19:43.000 But do you think as well, Jeremy, that it is terrifying for the Democrat Party in some way?

00:19:49.000 Oh, I think absolutely.

00:19:50.000 I mean, they've been sort of pushing the elites, the quote unquote intellectual elites of the Democrat Party, this abundance liberalism idea, which is this kind of techno wonkery.

00:20:00.000 And then we actually had an election, and no, it was really just about who could hate Israel the most.

00:20:05.000 I mean, that's what really determined it in all three of these elections in many ways.

00:20:10.000 I mean, there were other issues at part.

00:20:12.000 Now, I mean, that's totally crazy, right?

00:20:15.000 Because. 0.63

00:20:16.000 Israel should not be the central issue for anybody pro or con in America, but it's sort of indicative of some of the radicalism that has overtaken the party that kind of that was probably the central issue in all three of these races.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, and that is, I mean, you mentioned in your tweet that AIPAC, anything to do with that, Dan Goldman was, I think, denied service.

00:20:40.000 Dan Goldman is no, you know, establishment. 0.65

00:20:43.000 The guy is a radical and he's a total douche. 0.82

00:20:47.000 I mean, he's. 0.96

00:20:48.000 Easily a very hateable person, and yet this guy who has been like a dog with a bone trying to get Trump for however many years, even that's not enough anymore.

00:20:58.000 They want seizure of the means of production, they want, yeah, anti ice abolish ice, abolish the police.

00:21:05.000 They want all of that stuff.

00:21:07.000 And if you're not going full commie, you're not, you're basically unelectable now in some of these districts in New York.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, I mean, I want to, as you said, Memdani is politically.

00:21:18.000 Savvy, canny, talented.

00:21:20.000 Axios has been interviewing Democrats in the House, and they're being almost as apocalyptic about this as we are.

00:21:27.000 A centrist Democrat speaking on condition of anonymity said the results were an earthquake and a huge defeat for Democratic leadership.

00:21:35.000 It was a tough night.

00:21:36.000 People who do not support the DSA are wringing their hands at cocktail parties.

00:21:40.000 The DSA is organizing.

00:21:42.000 I feel like Democrats in Washington are realizing their brand of the party is dying.

00:21:47.000 And while that's a little satisfying to see, It's also scary, Jeremy, because we have gotten by on there being Democrats who they like holding power.

00:21:56.000 They like not killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

00:21:59.000 And now we have to deal with radical socialists who might blow up the whole country.

00:22:04.000 And if you think that's impossible, go look at Britain.

00:22:07.000 No, absolutely, Blake.

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:09.000 And I think one of the interesting things, right?

00:22:10.000 It's not just in New York City.

00:22:12.000 We're seeing it most dramatically there.

00:22:13.000 But we've literally got a situation in Los Angeles now where the choice for mayor is between somebody who is literally kind of working in.

00:22:24.000 Castro aligned brigades back in the day, and that's the more moderate choice versus the absolute socialist.

00:22:32.000 Um, and you know, I think Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, I mean, he doesn't call himself a socialist, but he might as well be.

00:22:38.000 So these people are radical in every single respect.

00:22:41.000 Seattle, absolutely same thing.

00:22:43.000 And I think the business communities, um, that have sort of aligned with the Democrat Party have got to be having a little bit of buyer's remorse at this point.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, I mean, it's been very interesting watching.

00:22:56.000 The more establishment Dem reaction to this.

00:22:59.000 And I think it's going in one of two ways.

00:23:03.000 You got Joe Scarborough, who's in complete denialism, cut 28.

00:23:07.000 I believe the Democratic Party overall is going too hard left.

00:23:11.000 I believe there is anti Semitism in there. 0.92

00:23:13.000 We'll save that for another day. 0.73

00:23:14.000 But I believe this is a branding issue for the Democrats that they are going to have to answer for.

00:23:19.000 So this will agree to be a challenge.

00:23:22.000 It's obviously going to be a challenge, obviously.

00:23:25.000 He's saying, oh, well, Democrats just elected a moderate like Spamberger.

00:23:31.000 Spamberger went, you never go full Virginia.

00:23:35.000 You never go full Virginia.

00:23:37.000 She's no moderate.

00:23:38.000 I mean, anyways, so that's interesting.

00:23:40.000 Then you've got the other reaction, which is like Cory Booker, which he's trying to say, oh, it's a good thing.

00:23:44.000 We're a big tent party.

00:23:45.000 Sot 30.

00:23:47.000 What did you make of your fellow Democratic Senator John Fetterman today when he was asked about these New York primaries?

00:23:52.000 He said the dirtbag left is surging, I believe is how he described it.

00:23:59.000 Again, for me, if you want to heal a country, you can't be picking fights.

00:24:05.000 I think we need to understand that our party is not homogenous.

00:24:08.000 One of the things that makes the Democratic Party great is it's a big tent party.

00:24:12.000 We need to stay that way.

00:24:14.000 Right, okay.

00:24:15.000 So it's various forms of denialism if we're being honest about it.

00:24:19.000 But Jeremy, I'm going to play one more clip and get your reaction to it.

00:24:21.000 This is CNN's Harry Enton talking about how much more popular DSA is over Dems in Congress.

00:24:28.000 29.

00:24:29.000 The Democratic Socialists of America have a higher net favoring than the Democratic Party does, at least those who are members of Congress.

00:24:36.000 I mean, just take a look here Dem Socialists of America plus 17 points, Democrats in Congress plus 4 points.

00:24:42.000 No wonder that Dem Socialists are getting nominated across the political map.

00:24:46.000 In different primaries, because simply put, they are more popular than the Democrats currently in charge.

00:24:51.000 Match up socialism, capitalism among Democrats.

00:24:55.000 You go back 16 years ago, 2010, capitalism and socialism right there, favorable rating 51%, 50%.

00:25:01.000 Look at it now.

00:25:02.000 Socialism clearly in the lead among Democrats.

00:25:05.000 66% of them view socialism favorably, just 42% view capitalism favorably.

00:25:10.000 No wonder Mamdani had no problem blasting it.

00:25:12.000 I think that clip is interesting, Jeremy, because it gets to root causes.

00:25:17.000 And We have to be honest about the fact that for a lot of people, and people on the right feel this as well, they feel like the system is not working.

00:25:28.000 And so the question to you is what is driving this?

00:25:33.000 Well, I think it's a lot of things, right?

00:25:35.000 And I wrote about the centrality of immigration here, even though I think just like a lot of revolutionary vanguards, and you go back to the communist Chinese, it was the same way.

00:25:43.000 It's, you know, elites who are maybe not from the peasantry, so called, lead the revolution, but you can't do the revolution without.

00:25:52.000 That kind of mass base of immigrants. 0.63

00:25:54.000 If you look at Mom Dhani in his election, he was overwhelmingly supported by people who were not born in America, and he lost the votes of people born in America.

00:26:05.000 I think you're probably going to see a lot of the same things if we get good exit polls from here.

00:26:10.000 So that's some of it.

00:26:12.000 The opportunity is an issue, but of course, every single thing the Democratic Socialists want to do is simply going to make that a much worse situation than it already is.

00:26:22.000 So they don't have.

00:26:24.000 Any solutions.

00:26:25.000 I think the GOP has solutions.

00:26:27.000 We need to be a little bit more aggressive about pushing it.

00:26:30.000 We need to be more aggressive about reaching out to young people. 0.93

00:26:34.000 Charlie did an amazing interview, actually, I think a discussion, ironically, with Tucker, I think maybe about just a few weeks before he died, I'm sure you guys remember it, where he really talked about the centrality of young people and their issues and how everybody was sleeping on this as an issue and how he had really been trying to make this put front and center for the administration.

00:26:56.000 And I just hope that message is getting out.

00:26:58.000 Yeah, and that's kind of where I was going with this too, Jeremy.

00:27:01.000 I think there is a, obviously, we hate this radical leftism.

00:27:06.000 It will destroy the country.

00:27:07.000 It is a ticking time bomb.

00:27:09.000 But we have to, as conservatives, also look in the mirror and say, we were given a mandate in 2024.

00:27:15.000 And can we honestly say that we've delivered on it?

00:27:17.000 I don't think we can.

00:27:19.000 And that's a big problem.

00:27:20.000 This is what's crazy, Jeremy.

00:27:24.000 I'm about to play this clip of these activists, these DSA activists, threatening Hakeem Jeffries.

00:27:32.000 Job saying you're next, play cup forty one.

00:27:49.000 I mean, again, Hakeem Jeffries is no moderate.

00:27:49.000 Wow.

00:27:55.000 I just, here's what I think is happening, Jeremy both the GOP in Washington underestimates how radicalized we've become, actually, and the Democrats in Washington have underappreciated just how radical their base has become.

00:28:12.000 What's your take?

00:28:14.000 No, I absolutely agree with that.

00:28:15.000 And I think not just Hakeem Jeffries has got to be.

00:28:19.000 Very worried looking at some of the things that you're just showing, like that video.

00:28:24.000 But I think Chuck Schumer, who's going to be 78 in 2028 when he's up for reelection and staring down a potential primary versus AOC, he's got to be looking at all this and kind of wondering again, as somebody who moderate establishment, very pro Israel, you know, does he want to end his career in ignominious defeat in a primary?

00:28:47.000 Because I've got to be honest, you know, that's probably where this is heading.

00:28:51.000 Given where his party is.

00:28:53.000 So, you know, I think there's a lot of people who are going to be looking over their shoulder, particularly on issues of AIPAC, but also on issues like affordability, universal health care, you know, rent control, all these sorts of things that the Democrat socialists are campaigning on and are maybe not all in the complete mainstream of the Democratic Party.

00:29:15.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 I mean, this has been a wake up call for me, even. 1.00

00:29:19.000 I mean, I've already been advocating for an immigration moratorium and I will. 1.00

00:29:24.000 Not stop doing it. 1.00

00:29:26.000 We needed an immigration moratorium 20 years ago. 1.00

00:29:28.000 We needed it 40 years ago. 1.00

00:29:29.000 And the chickens are coming home to roost.

00:29:32.000 And you write about it brilliantly in Unprotected Class.

00:29:36.000 What is the racial dynamic of this, Jeremy?

00:29:39.000 I know you've caught a bunch of heat for this, but you've also been a truth teller.

00:29:43.000 And I so respect you for that. 0.63

00:29:45.000 But it really is becoming a situation where they don't like white people. 0.54

00:29:50.000 They're pretty open about it. 0.88

00:29:51.000 They certainly don't like Jews, but they don't like white people either. 0.92

00:29:55.000 Yeah, no, that's right. 0.86

00:29:56.000 And a lot of this is really downstream of that, whether it's said explicitly or not.

00:30:00.000 And we've talked, and everybody's talking about the three Congress people for good reason.

00:30:04.000 But there were also six Democratic socialists who won in the New York legislature yesterday, at least six, maybe even a seventh.

00:30:13.000 Pretty all but one minorities, all from immigrant backgrounds.

00:30:17.000 In fact, several of them involved as immigration attorneys or whatever.

00:30:22.000 There is a huge immigration element of this.

00:30:25.000 There is a huge ethnic element and racial element of this.

00:30:28.000 There's a huge anti white element that is lurking just below the surface.

00:30:34.000 And I think one of the things that will be interesting is as some of these guys have to get out of their districts and explain some of their quotes to the broader electorate, I think a lot of normie Republicans or even normie independents are going to be kind of shocked by what some of these Democratic socialists have been saying.

00:30:52.000 But I'm actually just looking here.

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 We're having John Doyle on later in the show, and he's just pointed out a few minutes ago.

00:30:59.000 If you just look at the poll, the shift.

00:31:01.000 Democrats in 2010, when people were screaming about socialism then, but Democrats were 50 50 then on socialism versus capitalism.

00:31:08.000 They had about equal.

00:31:09.000 I just read that clip.

00:31:10.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 And now it's just everything is a mess.

00:31:14.000 It's like, and if they just say, and he says, everyone thought we could just read Marx or something and we could debunk this with debate. 0.73

00:31:21.000 And it's much more important now that we recognize they are just sold this narrative because of mass immigration that says the reason your old countries weren't nice is because of white people. 0.61

00:31:32.000 Yep. 0.74

00:31:33.000 And now, if you vote for this, and we'll call it socialism, but we could call it any number of things, we'll take their stuff and we'll give it to you.

00:31:39.000 Yep.

00:31:39.000 And like, that's really what's appealing in New York.

00:31:41.000 Well, and listen how Hassan Piker sells this.

00:31:44.000 This is what's crazy, how they launder these very violent ideologies.

00:31:48.000 I mean, because eventually, when you want to seize the means of production and you want to kick out landlords and give it to poor people, I guess, or whatever, some of them are not going to put up with that, and it becomes violent.

00:31:59.000 This is the classic cycle that we see with these socialist revolutions, these takeovers.

00:32:05.000 And yet, this is what Hassan Piker says.

00:32:07.000 It just sounds so reasonable, right?

00:32:09.000 26.

00:32:10.000 I wish they stopped calling me a terrorist.

00:32:27.000 That's what I wish.

00:32:31.000 They're not radicals, Jeremy.

00:32:32.000 They just want health care.

00:32:34.000 They just want roads. 1.00

00:32:35.000 They just want to stop carpet bombing foreign countries, which, you know, is fair enough.

00:32:40.000 If they don't want to be called terrorists, they should stop cheering for people who fly hang gliders into concerts to murder people.

00:32:46.000 Which they do. 0.95

00:32:47.000 They should stop waving Hamas headbands, which they do. 0.98

00:32:49.000 We're having someone going to the New York Senate who waves a Hamas headband. 0.98

00:32:54.000 They like Hamas because they like to imagine Hamas doing Hamas things to people in America. 0.82

00:32:54.000 They like that. 0.82

00:32:59.000 No, that's absolutely right.

00:33:01.000 And I think, you know, one of the interesting things I think you guys were getting at just a little bit earlier that's important is that when we talk about socialism, that's kind of an airy ideology.

00:33:09.000 It can mean a lot.

00:33:10.000 But when you kind of get down to it, it is we want to take the stuff of the people who have it. 0.89

00:33:16.000 Well, If you're new to this country and you're typically not white, you don't necessarily have it. 0.82

00:33:22.000 And the people who have it tend to be older and whiter. 0.80

00:33:27.000 That's not a coincidence. 0.80

00:33:28.000 In many ways, socialism is kind of just a coverall here for anti whiteness, for anti white rhetoric. 0.81

00:33:36.000 There are degrees to which it's just bad for socialism, too. 0.76

00:33:39.000 And again, if you look at that 66% approval for socialism, look at what that number would be for Democrats under 40.

00:33:45.000 I bet it's closer to 80%.

00:33:47.000 So that's where the center of gravity of the Democrat Party is.

00:33:51.000 Is, and some people who are sort of sitting on the fence right now are going to have to make some choices.

00:33:56.000 And you alluded to this earlier.

00:33:58.000 You know, is it MAGA or is it political Islam?

00:34:02.000 Is it socialism? 0.89

00:34:04.000 Is it Momdaniism?

00:34:06.000 Is it Mangioniism?

00:34:08.000 Because those are really the choices on offer.

00:34:11.000 It's not this imaginary abundance agenda that the Democrats are pushing.

00:34:14.000 We have to take it seriously.

00:34:16.000 America was blessed as bad as Democrats could be.

00:34:18.000 We were blessed for a long time that we didn't have a major truly socialist party.

00:34:23.000 If you go back to about World War II, America and Britain were similarly rich.

00:34:27.000 And now we're way ahead of Britain.

00:34:28.000 Why did that happen?

00:34:29.000 Because Britain had a real socialist party that did socialism, ruined their economy for two decades.

00:34:35.000 We got way ahead of them.

00:34:36.000 We used to be tied with a lot of Western Europe around the time of the Great Recession.

00:34:40.000 Now we're 50%.

00:34:41.000 We're way ahead of them.

00:34:42.000 All these World Cup guests are noticing how rich America is.

00:34:45.000 Why are we so much richer than Europe?

00:34:47.000 We don't have socialism ruining our growth rates. 0.97

00:34:51.000 That actually, socialism sucks, as Charlie has said.

00:34:53.000 And by the way, New York has been falling on hard times. 0.98

00:34:55.000 The more socialists.

00:34:56.000 It's become, you know, that 42% of New York residents are on Medicaid.

00:35:00.000 One in five are on food stamps.

00:35:02.000 One in three live in rent stabilized apartments. 0.60

00:35:04.000 One in eight of their jobs are those fake Medicaid home workers. 0.99

00:35:07.000 And that's what happens.

00:35:08.000 Once you get in, it just becomes this spiral deeper and deeper.

00:35:11.000 Jeremy Carl, thank you, my friend.

00:35:13.000 Good to see you.

00:35:14.000 Thanks so much for having me.

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00:36:49.000 We have the one, the only Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press joining us to get a vibe check of the base.

00:36:58.000 Kane, welcome back, my friend.

00:36:59.000 How are you?

00:37:00.000 I'm doing good.

00:37:01.000 I was just on the other line with Students for Justice in Palestine.

00:37:05.000 Oh, I wanted to.

00:37:08.000 What did you learn?

00:37:09.000 Pure sarcasm.

00:37:10.000 Pure sarcasm.

00:37:10.000 But that's what it feels like.

00:37:12.000 I never have time to watch our opening segment, but I did today.

00:37:16.000 I watched the full first hour.

00:37:17.000 And that's what it feels like to me.

00:37:19.000 It feels like SJP all grown up.

00:37:22.000 Like all the freaky, crazy people from, yeah, they were on.

00:37:25.000 I mean, even when I went to college 35, 40 years ago, they were around, you know?

00:37:30.000 Yeah, well, listen, yeah, as Charlie said all the time, he said, What happens on campus doesn't stay on campus.

00:37:38.000 It goes and it spreads into the halls of Congress, into corporate boardrooms all across the country.

00:37:43.000 So, yeah, they are coming.

00:37:44.000 The march is coming.

00:37:45.000 The long march through the institutions was remarkably successful.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, they were practicing.

00:37:50.000 It was like college.

00:37:52.000 I mean, these people were heavily, heavily involved in college government everywhere.

00:37:56.000 It doesn't matter if you went to the University of Virginia like I did, or Dartmouth, or University of Washington.

00:38:00.000 Like they were everywhere and they were practicing, they were cosplaying.

00:38:03.000 And none of, I don't know, I didn't pay attention to them. 0.99

00:38:06.000 I did student government my first year at UVA, and then I just could not stand, excuse me, I could not handle the egos of these people that took themselves so seriously on these incredibly stupid issues, stupid social issues. 0.98

00:38:18.000 But anyway, they took themselves seriously and they never stopped. 0.99

00:38:21.000 And then now they're, you know, winning elections in New York City.

00:38:24.000 So it was a pretty crazy night.

00:38:27.000 Well, I mean, look at this.

00:38:29.000 One of the, I mean, this is not why we had you on, but it is still very newsworthy.

00:38:33.000 Said, We are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization.

00:38:40.000 We seek community and instruction from militants in the global south who have been on the front lines of the fight against tyranny and domination, which undergird the imperialist world order.

00:38:50.000 I mean, these people have been completely and utterly ideologically captured, and they have zero gratitude for the blessings of living in the United States, which affords them the luxury. 1.00

00:39:00.000 To have such retarded views. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Yeah, that, I mean, your last point is the really good one. 1.00

00:39:06.000 And that's if I ever really, I don't, you know, I'm stuck in headquarters here, so I never get to interact with these kind of people.

00:39:11.000 But that, your last point is what I'd want to talk to them about is like, hey, does it ever occur to you that you're only able to say these things and have these things because of, you know, because of the special, special conditions that exist here in the United States?

00:39:24.000 And yeah, there's, it's, they're 100% captured.

00:39:28.000 It's, it's whatever.

00:39:31.000 They never shut it off.

00:39:32.000 Like, it's, it, this is like, This is who they are.

00:39:35.000 So, look, it immediately makes me think of midterms, right?

00:39:39.000 And how do we defeat this?

00:39:41.000 You know, is this really just New York City or is it other places?

00:39:44.000 Obviously, we're seeing it in Los Angeles.

00:39:46.000 So I immediately think of midterms and I think of turnout, right?

00:39:49.000 That's really all this is going to be about.

00:39:51.000 If we get crazy turnout, we can still.

00:39:54.000 So anyway, I try to be positive.

00:39:56.000 I want to let's talk about turnout because that's where I was going to go as well.

00:40:00.000 So I mentioned it briefly with Jeremy Carl, but we have to look in the mirror as conservatives and ask ourselves the question did we deliver on the promises of 2024?

00:40:09.000 And I think for a lot of people, that answer is no, right?

00:40:12.000 But.

00:40:13.000 There's some signs of hope.

00:40:14.000 And I texted you, Kane.

00:40:15.000 I said, How's the base vibe?

00:40:16.000 How's everything going?

00:40:17.000 And you said, Based on the Iran potential peace deal with Iran, things were looking up.

00:40:22.000 The base was loving it, right?

00:40:24.000 And now you've got President Trump this morning who just said, Hey, I'm not going to sign this housing bill, which probably is popular, something we care about, right?

00:40:32.000 But I'm not going to do it unless the leadership within the Senate actually gets serious about the Save America Act.

00:40:38.000 He said, I am canceling the signing of it until we pass the Desperately Needed Save America Act, which I consider to be a national.

00:40:45.000 Emergency.

00:40:46.000 Yeah.

00:40:46.000 Thank you for your attention.

00:40:47.000 And by the way, I got feedback instantly from some of these staffers with these senators, and they're all loving this.

00:40:52.000 They love that he's playing hardball.

00:40:55.000 Multiple people sent me texts going, We couldn't have imagined he would take it this far.

00:41:00.000 We're so excited.

00:41:01.000 This is going to be a huge shot across the bow for Senate leadership.

00:41:05.000 Tell us what the base wants here, Kane.

00:41:08.000 Well, so you started this off by saying, Is it that the promises that were made in 2024, do we not fulfill them?

00:41:15.000 And is that part of the reason?

00:41:17.000 That we lost last night.

00:41:18.000 And here's my theory on that.

00:41:21.000 Sure, maybe we didn't deliver on everything or we haven't yet, but I don't believe that's it.

00:41:25.000 I really truly believe that these elections are decided by the independents, right?

00:41:30.000 I really, you know, and that's why I tend to post those whenever we get new numbers on independence.

00:41:35.000 So I feel like this is where the media is killing us.

00:41:37.000 The media, they did this after 2016, and they're doing it again now, where they completely, you know, turn everything about Trump and about the American First Movement.

00:41:48.000 Into something evil, and they convince, and you've seen the numbers, and they convince independents not to vote Republican.

00:41:53.000 So, just on that little point, I'm not so sure, I don't really think it's promises not kept.

00:41:58.000 I really think it's just the media is killing us and turning independents against us.

00:42:02.000 Now, back to how the base feels, the vibe.

00:42:04.000 You're right about Iran.

00:42:05.000 You know, look, I've got a wide, you know, it's not just me at Citizen Free Press, but everywhere in the Republican Party, there's all kinds of different views on the Iran war.

00:42:16.000 And so, yeah, there are people who say, why are we even negotiating with them? 0.98

00:42:19.000 We need to, you know, continue to bomb them.

00:42:22.000 I've got other people saying, no, this is a good thing, but maybe let's try not to fund them too much or at least help them get these reconstruction funds.

00:42:30.000 But the overall vibe is positive, yes.

00:42:33.000 I mean, I noticed, for example, you guys didn't even talk about it in the first hour of the show.

00:42:37.000 So that's a good sign, right?

00:42:38.000 We aren't even talking about the Iran war.

00:42:40.000 So hopefully, Vance and the team, Witkoff and Kushner, they can, you know, we can get the things we want.

00:42:45.000 And hopefully, you know, I mean, look, if, for example, the thing that freaks people out the most, I believe, about all of this are the billions that are talked about, right?

00:42:54.000 That $300 billion fund, I heard someone talking about it.

00:42:56.000 And I want to point out this is going to be probably money from the Gulf nations.

00:43:01.000 And these are going to be loans, even from them, that are going to be backed by oil revenues, future oil revenues.

00:43:07.000 So even if US dollars were not going to be involved in this, or even if US dollars were going to be involved, we're going to get our money back.

00:43:16.000 So I want people to, you know, I put those headlines up a lot about the billions involved.

00:43:20.000 And, you know, and I want to make sure people understand that, you know, Trump and Vance are on this.

00:43:25.000 So back to the vibe.

00:43:26.000 The vibe is good, man.

00:43:27.000 We just got to, it's buckle down time for the midterms.

00:43:31.000 If we somehow come up with a theme that these are the most important midterms of our lives and Trump and Susie Wiles and everybody gets involved, I feel like that's our only way.

00:43:39.000 So I'm hoping we can have some crazy momentum.

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 And to underscore your point, I mean, check out the Polly market odds.

00:43:46.000 We're not paid by them or anything like that.

00:43:47.000 But I do think it's interesting that Polly market odds for JD Vance becoming the nominee in 2028 shot up instantly as soon as he started negotiating this peace deal.

00:43:57.000 I mean, that is a very telltale sign.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:02.000 We've talked, Kane, about is there a split between DC, where I think DC has the people who are certainly most enthusiastic about war, but also most worried about the idea that if America is spending taxpayer dollars on this or if we do look like we're getting the bad end of the deal?

00:44:19.000 Whereas my sense is, in a lot of America, they really do just want peace.

00:44:24.000 They will like it if JD Vance is associated with the peace deal.

00:44:28.000 They want out, they want the war to be over, and they don't care nearly as much about what the details are.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:44:34.000 And Vance just looks so damn presidential. 0.76

00:44:37.000 He, you know, he was out there.

00:44:39.000 I couldn't believe, look, when you're like me and you watch somebody's media performances all day, right?

00:44:43.000 From morning till night and see all the different shows that he's doing, it's just stunning to me that he could hold it together at the end of the night.

00:44:49.000 And he did it for like 48 hours straight.

00:44:52.000 And he was always good.

00:44:54.000 And he was smiling with Joy Behar, which was just astonishing to me.

00:44:59.000 And he was good.

00:44:59.000 That's the real miracle, Kane.

00:45:00.000 That's the real miracle.

00:45:01.000 It really was.

00:45:02.000 And by the way, Kane, look at this.

00:45:04.000 Gas prices below $70 right now.

00:45:07.000 Throw that graph.

00:45:08.000 Oil prices.

00:45:09.000 $70 a gallon.

00:45:10.000 That'd be scary.

00:45:11.000 Oil prices below $70.

00:45:12.000 All right, Kane, a little bit of a curveball here.

00:45:15.000 A little bit of a curveball.

00:45:17.000 I know you're a big sports ball fan.

00:45:19.000 You enjoy the sports.

00:45:20.000 We've got Euros from overseas apologizing to Americans right now.

00:45:26.000 This is a true thing.

00:45:27.000 They say we were wrong.

00:45:28.000 We are seeing your country with fresh eyes, and they're helping us see our country with fresh eyes.

00:45:33.000 America rocks.

00:45:34.000 America rocks.

00:45:35.000 It turns out we're not poor like the UK.

00:45:37.000 We actually have capitalism.

00:45:38.000 So they're seeing that with their own eyes.

00:45:40.000 We've got the Knicks winning their first championship since 1973. 0.96

00:45:44.000 We've got baseball hats causing controversy with the LGBT. 0.98

00:45:48.000 It is Pride Month, after all. 1.00

00:45:51.000 Actually, it's Nuclear Family Month. 0.95

00:45:53.000 Kane, are you just enjoying this sports ball summer like the rest of us?

00:45:58.000 UFC 250?

00:45:59.000 Yeah, UFC 250.

00:46:00.000 Yeah, I'm enjoying the summer, my own sports ball summer, too.

00:46:06.000 I'll get to the professionals, but, you know, some might call me.

00:46:11.000 A golf professional that was never able to completely dedicate his life to the task.

00:46:15.000 So I've been able to golf a bit myself on weekends.

00:46:21.000 The Knicks thing, you know, mixed feelings because I grew up obviously in the heartland of basketball in the Hoosier State.

00:46:28.000 And so I've been a Pacers fan.

00:46:30.000 And I remember, and Reggie Miller was doing those games.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 And so I remember whatever.

00:46:37.000 So it's like Patrick Ewing and John Starks and all those Knicks guys that were villains for me.

00:46:43.000 But I was happy.

00:46:44.000 You know, whatever, it's mixed feelings.

00:46:46.000 Like, I wanted to make fun of them for their celebrations and the fights and the brawls.

00:46:51.000 And I wanted to bring them down, but I was happy they won.

00:46:53.000 And OG Ananobi, he played for Indiana University.

00:46:56.000 He played for Tom Crean, recruited that guy.

00:46:58.000 He was a two star recruit.

00:47:00.000 You'll be interested in this, both of you.

00:47:01.000 He was a two star recruit out of Missouri.

00:47:05.000 And he comes to IU in a 6 7, 215, and he could guard the five and he could guard ones.

00:47:12.000 He could, you know, and so he only lasted two years at IU and then was drafted by.

00:47:17.000 Toronto.

00:47:18.000 And then anyway, so I was happy for OG Ananobi.

00:47:21.000 As far as baseball, I'm a Cubs guy.

00:47:23.000 But I really appreciate it.

00:47:25.000 They had a big comeback the other day, didn't they?

00:47:28.000 Say that again.

00:47:28.000 What?

00:47:29.000 They had a big comeback the other day.

00:47:30.000 They scored eight runs or something in the eighth, something like that.

00:47:32.000 Yeah.

00:47:33.000 Well, the Cubs are either hot or they're cold.

00:47:36.000 Don't get Danny started on the Cubs.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:39.000 Well, I know Charlie loved them.

00:47:40.000 They were my whole life growing up.

00:47:41.000 My first game, I was like age four at Wrigley Field.

00:47:45.000 But at the same time, my favorite player in baseball is Kyle Schwarber, Mr. America Kyle Schwarber.

00:47:51.000 And it's because when he was 21 and he was a baseball player at IU, I was golfing at the IU course in the summer and he joined us at the turn.

00:47:59.000 So I golfed with him.

00:48:00.000 From hole 10 to 18.

00:48:02.000 And as you know, Schwarber's like 5'11 and a half, 230.

00:48:05.000 He was a middle linebacker in Ohio.

00:48:08.000 You know, played in middle.

00:48:09.000 And the dude is just all hips and pelvis.

00:48:12.000 And he could, it was just insane.

00:48:14.000 So anyway, it is such a, the guy was like, I can hit a baseball 500 feet.

00:48:18.000 It's just insane.

00:48:20.000 He's going to be the backup DH in the All Star game, by the way, because Shohei Otan, he's got like 2.5 million votes.

00:48:25.000 He's the top vote there.

00:48:27.000 But he could make, you could make a case that he should be starting.

00:48:30.000 Hold on.

00:48:30.000 Okay.

00:48:31.000 I have to pivot back.

00:48:33.000 I have to pivot back here, Kane, because we only got three minutes left.

00:48:36.000 Danny is telling me that a lot of emails that we're getting are a bit negative on Vance.

00:48:41.000 They're anti Vance.

00:48:42.000 They want Rubio.

00:48:44.000 They're pro Rubio and they're pro war generally a lot.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, so it tends to be a certain part of the audience that reacts this way.

00:48:51.000 What is your vibe on Vance Rubio and how does the base feel about Vance, especially with the backdrop of these Iranian peace talks?

00:49:00.000 To me, it's a dream team.

00:49:02.000 I want them together, but.

00:49:03.000 It's interesting that you ask that because there have been battles in the open thread and CFP about this.

00:49:08.000 Half the crowd just loves Vance and thinks that JD, excuse me, thinks that Rubio doesn't quite have it.

00:49:14.000 And then there's the other side that thinks that Vance doesn't have the charisma and that Rubio's got it all.

00:49:19.000 I think they both have the charisma.

00:49:21.000 They both have the Riz, as the kids say.

00:49:23.000 And I think they both can be presidents.

00:49:25.000 And I don't know how they decided between them.

00:49:27.000 I feel like you got to be deferential.

00:49:29.000 Like you ended up Secretary of State.

00:49:31.000 You weren't chosen as the VP.

00:49:32.000 So you're going to have to be the VP when JD runs.

00:49:35.000 And I really, that's what I mean personally.

00:49:38.000 I want JD at the top of the ticket and Marco right beneath him.

00:49:42.000 But in terms of like sort of emails and the pro, I have that sort of pro bomb, pro war crowd. 0.57

00:49:49.000 Like they want to finish off Iran.

00:49:50.000 I never really associated that with Rubio so much.

00:49:54.000 But obviously, we do know, those of us who are junkies, we do know that Vance was against the war from the beginning.

00:50:00.000 So maybe that's why the pro war crowd, you know, feels more aligned with Rubio.

00:50:05.000 But hey, for me, I want them both on that ticket.

00:50:07.000 I think they would be fantastic.

00:50:09.000 And Rubio is young.

00:50:11.000 Like, he won't even be 60 if he served as vice president for eight years under Vance.

00:50:16.000 So that's the way I would do it.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 And I will tell you, Charlie did put out one tweet.

00:50:21.000 He said, I remember it.

00:50:23.000 I remember it well.

00:50:24.000 But it was like, Vance Rubio, I'm going to give myself one minute to just daydream about how great a ticket that would be.

00:50:30.000 And then he was like, okay, onward.

00:50:32.000 Enough of that.

00:50:33.000 You know, we got work to do.

00:50:34.000 But it was a, you know, Charlie was supportive of that ticket too.

00:50:37.000 And a little bit inside baseball, you know, for those who are curious, What I have been told, and these things change, Rubio's allowed to make up his mind and change his mind as time goes on, is that he did not like running for president.

00:50:50.000 Now, fair enough, he was running against Donald Trump.

00:50:54.000 Who would like running against Donald Trump, you know, calling him Little Marco and things like that?

00:50:59.000 Obviously, that's all water under the bridge now, but he didn't like it.

00:51:02.000 And I think he has endorsed JD Vance publicly at least two or three times.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 He has.

00:51:09.000 But I do hear behind the scenes that he is putting out a few calls, a few feelers, just to.

00:51:15.000 Temperature check with some of the people, some of the power players that could make that happen.

00:51:19.000 So it's not over.

00:51:21.000 But those are the outward indications that we've got from Rubio.

00:51:24.000 We'll see.

00:51:24.000 But I did check the Charlie thing.

00:51:25.000 And we have to remember we have more than two years.

00:51:28.000 He says, let's stay focused on the work in front of us.

00:51:30.000 You know what's better than daydreaming about our ticket in 28?

00:51:33.000 Getting so many wins that whoever we nominate is going to romp.

00:51:36.000 Yeah.

00:51:36.000 That's what we should aim for.

00:51:38.000 Citizen Free Press, check out the stack today.

00:51:40.000 I check it multiple times every day.

00:51:43.000 Citizen Kane, God bless you, my friend.

00:51:44.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:51:45.000 All right.

00:51:46.000 Talk to you guys.

00:51:46.000 I enjoyed it.

00:51:47.000 Thanks.

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00:52:54.000 Welcome to the show, my friend.

00:52:56.000 Thank you for having me.

00:52:57.000 You guys have some excellent microphone taste over there in studio.

00:53:01.000 Well, you know, we have Charlie to thank for that.

00:53:03.000 We tried out a bunch of microphones.

00:53:05.000 It doesn't sound right.

00:53:05.000 It's too tinny.

00:53:06.000 It's too light.

00:53:07.000 Gave our production team quite the runaround for years.

00:53:10.000 It's so funny you mentioned that just because I was watching one of your clips last night and I did think, oh, that's the same microphone we have.

00:53:16.000 I'm not usually a microphone nozzer.

00:53:18.000 No, but these are good.

00:53:18.000 These are actually the same one Rush used.

00:53:21.000 That was what Charlie wanted.

00:53:21.000 Give me the ones Rush uses.

00:53:23.000 And actually, you'll appreciate this.

00:53:25.000 When we had Glenn in the studio, he brought the Golden EIB microphone, put it on the set.

00:53:30.000 It was cool.

00:53:31.000 It was very cool.

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:32.000 It was very touching.

00:53:33.000 All right, so.

00:53:34.000 John, I wanted to talk to you about something because you've been really outspoken on a topic that I think, you know, we just had Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Pests on.

00:53:43.000 We're talking about turnout.

00:53:45.000 We got this DSA thing going on, you know, but our right wing coalition is fraying at the edges and you've been outspoken about it.

00:53:53.000 And so I'm just going to go ahead and play a montage here of people saying they're leaving the Republican Party.

00:53:59.000 They're done with the GOP.

00:54:01.000 SOT 34.

00:54:02.000 I would not support the Republican Party.

00:54:04.000 There's no chance I would support the Republican Party.

00:54:06.000 I'm not going to support the Democratic Party.

00:54:07.000 I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:54:09.000 But at this point, you know, how could you support, how could I or any American voter support a political party that's not loyal to the United States?

00:54:16.000 Iran's left stronger. 0.78

00:54:18.000 We are left weaker. 0.95

00:54:23.000 Our allies are left weaker.

00:54:25.000 I do not think we should be sending money to the Ayatollah. 0.94

00:54:28.000 That money will be used to murder Americans. 0.98

00:54:30.000 I'm afraid we'll look back on this and see a missed opportunity to basically eliminate the threat. 0.54

00:54:36.000 The details that I've seen so far look awful.

00:54:40.000 This will go down as a Tremendous foreign policy blunder.

00:54:42.000 I think it's a deep mistake.

00:54:44.000 Wicker also said the $300 billion reconstruction fund to help Iran recover from the war make Iran's payoff under President Obama's 2015 deal look like a pittance by comparison.

00:54:58.000 You get an interesting contrast there because it really, I think it gets that Tucker there is saying he's extremely angry at the GOP.

00:55:05.000 It's putting America last.

00:55:07.000 And then we actually have this giant parade of Republican senators saying they're very angry that we're getting out of the Iran war, that this deal is.

00:55:14.000 I guess not putting the war first.

00:55:16.000 Foreign policy is by far and away the most controversial issue on the right.

00:55:22.000 So, John, what do you make of what's going on currently in our movement?

00:55:26.000 I just don't understand.

00:55:27.000 I mean, I understand why, like, the neocon class would be upset about that decision.

00:55:30.000 I don't understand why somebody like Tucker Carlson would be upset about that decision necessarily.

00:55:34.000 And I don't even think that clip was what he was responding to initially.

00:55:37.000 I think it was just sort of the vague, you know, the GOP is controlled by foreign interests.

00:55:41.000 And therefore, I'm not going to align myself with that political party because they're not refused or they're refusing rather to put America first.

00:55:47.000 But the problem with that is, I remember, and I'm sure you guys remember, Tucker Carlson was the guy who, in the height of neocon control over Washington, was going to go on Fox and wear a bow tie and talk about how much he loved the Iraq war and defended the actions of George Bush.

00:56:01.000 It's only now, after what did he say, like 35 years, that he's deciding that the party is too controlled by support for foreign countries, and so he can no longer participate in it.

00:56:11.000 And literally, in the span that he has been involved in politics, that has never been less accurate than it is now.

00:56:16.000 I mean, Donald Trump is the guy who got on stage in 2015 and said to Jeb Bush's face, the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake.

00:56:23.000 I mean, arguably, if not for immigration and trade policy, it was the repudiation of this exact kind of like neocon era foreign policy that animated his campaign originally.

00:56:33.000 And he's actually stuck to those promises.

00:56:35.000 Fantastically well, I think.

00:56:37.000 And so I don't understand why now, if not over the past 20, 30 years, you would want to make a move like that.

00:56:43.000 I can only assume it's because these people just basically want to ensure Democrat victory so they can get more engagement because it's the famous adage, right?

00:56:50.000 No one wants to read a headline about a plane landing safely.

00:56:54.000 It actually benefits the influencer class when things are going very poorly because they have more to talk about because Americans are terrified that their children are being propagandized and their grandmothers are being mugged.

00:57:03.000 And so they tune into people looking for answers.

00:57:05.000 And so there is a very actually perverse incentive structure, I think.

00:57:09.000 John, there was a tweet of yours yesterday that you're kind of referring to with what you just said.

00:57:14.000 And it's not even just the neocon aspects of things.

00:57:18.000 In the same interview there, Tucker also complained that the administration hasn't taken action on, for example, like anti white sentiment in America, that there's anti white racism, anti white bias in the government.

00:57:29.000 And first of all, as you say, are we perfect on this issue?

00:57:33.000 Not yet.

00:57:34.000 And yet you're allowed to talk about it.

00:57:36.000 When I was working with him at Fox in 2017, 2018, Fox would like not to let us say anti white racism on the air.

00:57:43.000 Now politicians talk about it.

00:57:45.000 It's a live issue.

00:57:46.000 And the DOJ has taken action.

00:57:47.000 They are suing people over this.

00:57:50.000 And I especially want to highlight what you said in your tweet, where you just say the people who do like neocon stuff would like nothing better than for a bunch of people to rage quit the GOP.

00:58:01.000 Yes, please pack up and leave.

00:58:02.000 You can even, you can be based if you want to.

00:58:05.000 But whatever you want to do, just quit.

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:09.000 They're just better at politics. 0.99

00:58:10.000 Than a lot of these people who think they're better on the issues are.

00:58:13.000 And ultimately, that's what's important.

00:58:14.000 And so I just don't, I'm not impressed by that.

00:58:16.000 You know, people who just like found out about like ideas that you weren't allowed to say on Fox News, for example, five seconds ago.

00:58:22.000 And now they think that like it's enough to simply be like correct about the ideas.

00:58:25.000 And that thinking has actually been the problem that, you know, conservatives have had in government forever.

00:58:29.000 I mean, we believe that we will win because our heart is true.

00:58:33.000 We have the correct ideas.

00:58:34.000 We simply know better.

00:58:35.000 And so we'll win the argument.

00:58:36.000 The left doesn't play that way.

00:58:37.000 They play the real politics game.

00:58:39.000 And that's why they lap us at literally everything.

00:58:41.000 And So, what was the old thing people would say and make fun of the old GOP for my principles, right?

00:58:46.000 I'm not going to play politics because I have principles. 0.98

00:58:49.000 I will be a beautiful loser.

00:58:50.000 These people do the same thing where they say, I'm not going to play politics. 0.98

00:58:53.000 I'm going to opt out.

00:58:54.000 And they won't say it's my principles, but they'll say it's because I'm just based.

00:58:56.000 I'm just too far right for these people.

00:58:59.000 And so I'm going to wait, let the country collapse.

00:59:01.000 And then once it gets harder to win, it will actually become easier to win because my niche political ideology will ascend from the ashes and stand atop like the phoenix.

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 Well, I'm not accusing Tucker of accelerationism, but I do think it would.

00:59:15.000 It would be helpful to lay out this basic taxonomy of the right because I think it's important for our audience to understand that within the coalition, there are these factions and they're pulling at one another and they're trying to sway one another and label one another to different things.

00:59:30.000 So let's just start with the neocons.

00:59:32.000 You've got the neocons over here.

00:59:33.000 That would have been the Kornans, the Senator Cruz in that picture.

00:59:38.000 Then you've got the plan trusters, right?

00:59:40.000 Those are people that are diehard MAGA.

00:59:42.000 They trust the president no matter what he does.

00:59:45.000 Think of it like a Michael Knowles.

00:59:47.000 Some people put Turning Point in that category.

00:59:51.000 I would slightly disagree with that, but whatever.

00:59:52.000 That's kind of the perception.

00:59:54.000 Then you've got the dissidents.

00:59:55.000 This would be people that would never vote Democrat, but they want to keep the administration accountable, right?

01:00:01.000 They want to criticize what they want to criticize and that sort of thing.

01:00:04.000 So you're not always going to get favorable treatment from them, but they're definitely not Democrats.

01:00:08.000 That would be kind of like a Matt Walsh, if you would.

01:00:11.000 Then you've got the small L libertarians.

01:00:13.000 This is, these would be the Massey supporters, the Josie, the redheaded libertarian who was on the show.

01:00:18.000 These people, and Josie warned us, these people will just opt out.

01:00:21.000 They will just stop voting if they get demoralized, if they feel like their pet issues are not getting serviced sufficiently.

01:00:28.000 And then you have over here on the far end, the accelerationists.

01:00:32.000 And the accelerationists are saying, don't vote for Republicans.

01:00:36.000 We want to purify the party.

01:00:38.000 We want them to lose terribly so that we can build something more ideologically pure in its place out of the ashes, out of the rubble.

01:00:45.000 John, you would agree that acceleration, whatever its emotional appeal, is basically let's win by.

01:00:53.000 Jumping off a bridge.

01:00:54.000 Yeah.

01:00:54.000 I mean, like me, when the originally leftist political theory seems to only benefit the left, like the right does not do better in times of chaos.

01:01:03.000 I mean, that kind of stuff only seems to benefit the left.

01:01:05.000 And also, it seems that right now we have a very rare opportunity to actually stop the decline of our country and make real material progress.

01:01:14.000 And so it's very dishonest to me when I see people who are just casting arrows at the GOP, broadly speaking, which for virtually our entire lives has been disappointing to say the least.

01:01:24.000 But for the last few years, it's actually started to improve in a very positive and actually kind of like incomprehensible direction.

01:01:30.000 And so it's not honest to write off the whole GOP and use vague language like, look, they failed to do anything.

01:01:36.000 That's it.

01:01:37.000 I'm finally quitting.

01:01:38.000 And it's like, dude, we've never had a better opportunity to actually address the issues you claim to care about so much than we do right now.

01:01:44.000 And I have friends, we all have friends in DC.

01:01:47.000 We all kind of know what's going on there and how hard these guys are working and how they're totally aware of what's going on and how to fix it.

01:01:52.000 They need now more than ever actually like support.

01:01:55.000 They need to understand that they have friends out there who will support them if and when the imminent leftist counterattack comes, which, by the way, they're quite openly advertising that when they get back into power, they're going to prosecute people, they're going to dox ICE agents.

01:02:08.000 Now is not the time to signal that we are not all unified collectively against the global left.

01:02:13.000 Now is actually the time, while we control the federal government, to actually dig our heels into the sand and say, no, we're not going to retreat because we sense the potential threat for an imminent counterattack.

01:02:24.000 We are actually going to stay in this fight because, yeah, the enemy, be that the establishment, GOP, The left, they don't care why you leave the fight.

01:02:32.000 It can be because you're so ideologically pure. 0.99

01:02:34.000 It can be because you're a coward. 0.99

01:02:35.000 It can be for literally whatever reason. 0.97

01:02:37.000 They are happy when there are fewer people throwing their weight behind the political project of Donald Trump.

01:02:43.000 It's as simple as that.

01:02:45.000 Well said, John.

01:02:46.000 And I totally agree.

01:02:48.000 We often make the point here that if you just took an image of the Senate now versus 10 years ago, there's so many better representatives there.

01:02:56.000 Everything is getting better one election at a time.

01:02:59.000 We just have to stay the course because, as you said, It's unimaginable how far we've come actually when you just took a snapshot 10 years ago to now.

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01:03:54.000 John Doyle, welcome back.

01:03:55.000 You know, so what's interesting right now in this coalition is that they are, that taxonomy of the right that I laid out, it's like the accelerationists want to peel off the small L's and the dissidents, and the neocons want to label the plan trusters, if you will, as neocons.

01:04:14.000 And it's like, that's not true at all, right?

01:04:16.000 Like, so if I give the president the benefit of the doubt, all of a sudden I'm like, you know, Wanting to, you know, lob bombs on foreign countries all day long.

01:04:24.000 That's like not at all true, right?

01:04:26.000 But it's just interesting how the factions are trying to pull the coalition apart right down the middle.

01:04:31.000 And really, we need to keep everybody together.

01:04:35.000 How do we do that?

01:04:36.000 That is a very good question.

01:04:38.000 That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

01:04:40.000 I feel like we just kind of have to keep our head down and keep telling the truth.

01:04:43.000 I mean, people seem to really just want the blood and the drama and all of that.

01:04:46.000 But I would hope that the higher quality people who are more interested in just like, Actual solutions to the problems that we face and that literally threaten our entire civilization.

01:04:55.000 I would hope that those heads can ultimately prevail, though I'm a bit jaded these days.

01:04:59.000 But I think that really, like all of that conflict, I mean, really the neocons stand to benefit more than anybody from that.

01:05:05.000 I mean, these are people who are still very well entrenched into positions of power in Washington and throughout the party.

01:05:10.000 They stand to benefit if we do not have momentum behind like the sort of ascendant America First cause.

01:05:15.000 And I think that the maybe accelerationist types, as perhaps is implied by their title being accelerationists, they're very happy to just.

01:05:22.000 Burn everything down so they feel like they can take a victory lap on social media.

01:05:25.000 And so the first step is, I think, just like ostracize those people.

01:05:29.000 I really think that any organization that takes itself seriously, be that an institution or even just a party or a movement, you can't tolerate low quality behavior and you can't tolerate low quality people.

01:05:39.000 I mean, if you and I were trying to prepare a meal and I was in the kitchen just like, you know, throwing eggs around and like, look, it breaks if I throw it, like you would kick me out very quickly.

01:05:48.000 And that's for something extremely low stakes, like a dinner party.

01:05:50.000 I mean, we're talking about the future of our nation.

01:05:53.000 A country that we will continue to live in, our children will live in.

01:05:55.000 Like, we have to actually take this extremely seriously.

01:05:57.000 And people, I think, have a tendency, maybe well meaning, to, you know, indulge a lot of this stuff from people and say, well, yeah, they were lying and they were wrong and they're accusing people of like taking money and being compromised.

01:06:10.000 But can you at least understand that they're only doing that because they're really concerned?

01:06:14.000 And it's like, dude, like, no, I'm not going to excuse like low quality behavior because of socioeconomic factors or something.

01:06:20.000 Like, we're right wing.

01:06:20.000 We're supposed to understand that.

01:06:22.000 And I think when we stop, you know, Rewarding this behavior and indulging in it, we can all operate as a much more well oiled machine because right now there's way too much of the.

01:06:30.000 Well, you got to hand it to him.

01:06:31.000 He may have lied about this thing the Trump administration did, but it's only because he really cares about the issue of immigration and what you don't.

01:06:38.000 It's like this is not how adults engage in politics. 1.00

01:06:41.000 This is just like unproductive and stupid. 0.99

01:06:43.000 Yeah, John, I've really appreciated on your ex account you've had pinned since September 10th. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Charlie there, never surrender.

01:06:51.000 And that's one of the big lessons all of us.

01:06:54.000 All of us take with Charlie, he was such a builder, he was such a relentless growth mindset.

01:07:00.000 He would always be, he would tell us no black pilling, even if the news is bad, no black pilling.

01:07:04.000 And he would always be fixated on these little wins.

01:07:08.000 There we go, there we go.

01:07:09.000 We have no black pilling image on screen right now.

01:07:11.000 And he would always be telling us.

01:07:13.000 He loved the executive orders that the Trump administration is doing.

01:07:17.000 The attacks on DEI, the new focus on housing, these little wins that we're getting the border secured.

01:07:24.000 And is it sexy to talk about that?

01:07:25.000 No, they'd rather talk about whatever the new thing is.

01:07:27.000 And yet, here's this big, enduring win that will last for years to come.

01:07:31.000 Your colleague, actually over at The Blaze, Orrin McIntyre, had a great tweet sort of on this.

01:07:37.000 He goes, Again, I've had plenty of issues with the admin's current foreign policy.

01:07:41.000 Decisions, but you would never see another GOP president discuss these realities.

01:07:45.000 The Overton window has forever been moved by Trump, and whatever his faults, that should be appreciated.

01:07:49.000 And he throws up this truth social from Trump where he goes, Lifetime contributions per immigrant.

01:07:54.000 I think we have this image.

01:07:56.000 It is extraordinarily based for a president to put that out.

01:07:59.000 Immigrants from Scandinavia are great net contributors, and refugees that we take from the Horn of Africa tend to not be long term contributors.

01:08:08.000 Where we've come so far from, I remember when Trump said, Why are we taking people from bleephole countries?

01:08:12.000 Apocalyptic response.

01:08:14.000 It was the biggest story for several days in a row.

01:08:17.000 People thought we might have to impeach him over this.

01:08:20.000 And now the president just throws it out on truth, and everyone's like, that's awesome.

01:08:22.000 I often think about this.

01:08:24.000 Do you remember the battle in Trump 1.0 to get wall funding?

01:08:28.000 And it was like, the wall was this symbol of racism and bigotry and hate.

01:08:35.000 And we don't build walls, we build bridges.

01:08:37.000 Now the left.

01:08:38.000 Absolute hysteria.

01:08:40.000 And now CNN dunks that.

01:08:42.000 He's not building it as fast as he's promised.

01:08:44.000 He says they could get it done by the end of next year, but they'll have to speed it up.

01:08:47.000 To get that done, we CNN dunking on us for not building the wall.

01:08:50.000 We sent hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and they threw such a fit about 20 billion dollars for the wall, and now you don't even hear about it.

01:08:59.000 It's just getting built.

01:09:00.000 That's progress, yeah.

01:09:01.000 Yeah, and you can even tell in the sort of messaging they deliver.

01:09:04.000 You know, for 10 years, I remember we would always try to invoke hypocrisy.

01:09:09.000 We would say, you know, the left says this, but they do this, and that would be what we were doing.

01:09:12.000 You know, we were CNN talking about the wall.

01:09:14.000 It's like now they have to do that because they're losing their grip on power, and when you don't have power.

01:09:20.000 All of a sudden, the only thing you can do is point out the standards and how your enemy's not following them or something.

01:09:26.000 When you have power, you can do whatever you want.

01:09:28.000 You can set the standard.

01:09:29.000 You can hold your enemies accountable to the standard, but not follow it yourself.

01:09:32.000 And that's a little ugly, but that's just sort of how the game is played.

01:09:34.000 And so I saw that for so long.

01:09:36.000 Conservatives couldn't actually do anything to stop the decline of our country.

01:09:41.000 But we could say, well, the left says this, but they're doing this.

01:09:44.000 They want socialism for everybody, yet they have three homes.

01:09:47.000 And it's like, that's true, but ultimately, that doesn't solve problems.

01:09:50.000 What seems to be working now is actually occupying institutions and wielding the power of the government.

01:09:55.000 As we're supposed to be doing.

01:09:56.000 And so now the left is on the back foot and they can't do anything to stop it, despite literally everything that they have tried.

01:10:02.000 And so now all they can do is just impotently whine about standards.

01:10:05.000 You know, you say funding for this, yet you do this.

01:10:08.000 You're concerned about a ballroom, yet we have poor people.

01:10:11.000 It's like, yeah, please, let me fill up my liberal tears tumbler.

01:10:14.000 I hope that you continue that.

01:10:15.000 I hope that you don't regroup.

01:10:17.000 I love what you just said like occupying institutions, using and wielding power.

01:10:22.000 We have to be bold in the use of power.

01:10:25.000 Listen, I've got complaints. 1.00

01:10:26.000 I want an immigration moratorium like 20 years ago. 1.00

01:10:28.000 I don't hear anybody really talking about that yet. 1.00

01:10:30.000 And I'm going to keep banging the drum because I know it's popular and I know it's needed.

01:10:34.000 But that doesn't mean you give up on the whole project just because you're not getting the thing that you think is the most critical.

01:10:39.000 There's only one team that could deliver that.

01:10:41.000 There's only one team.

01:10:42.000 And we got to keep holding their feet to the fire, but no black pilling.

01:10:46.000 We are making progress.

01:10:48.000 Final 20 seconds to you, John.

01:10:49.000 There's literally no reason to ever black pill anything, whether you're playing a sport, playing a game.

01:10:55.000 There's no reason to ever give up.

01:10:56.000 People think optimism is like lying.

01:10:57.000 People think I'm optimistic, so I'm going to delude myself about the reality of the situation.

01:11:02.000 Being optimistic literally just means not giving up and thinking, okay, where there's a will, there's a way, I'll figure it out.

01:11:08.000 And people who tend to have that mindset tend to curiously outperform people who just look at the negative and everything.

01:11:13.000 We're going to keep building, we're going to keep fighting, and we will win.

01:11:16.000 John Doyle, thank you, my friend.

01:11:18.000 God bless you.

01:11:18.000 Thank you.

01:11:23.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 24, 2026

New York's Islamo-Socialist Revolution + No Blackpilling!

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