The Charlie Kirk Show - October 04, 2023


New York's Plot to Ruin Trump with Rep. Bob Good and Chief James Craig


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On this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, former U.S. Rep. Bob Good (R-Michigan) joins us to talk about his vote to get rid of Rep. Kevin McCarthy and why he decided to run for the Senate seat now vacated by Debbie Stansbury. Former Chief James Craig joins the show to discuss his campaign for the Michigan Senate seat. And we give you a short analysis of the New York civil fraud trial.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's in the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Congressman Bob Good gives us a first-person reaction.
00:00:05.000 He was one of the eight that voted to get rid of Kevin McCarthy.
00:00:08.000 He joins the program.
00:00:09.000 And also an exciting new candidate running for Senate in Michigan.
00:00:12.000 And we give you a short analysis of the New York civil fraud trial.
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00:01:14.000 Crime is becoming the number one issue in America.
00:01:17.000 We do not live in a safe country, especially if you just walk the streets in most urban areas.
00:01:23.000 It's video after video, the statistics are out of control.
00:01:27.000 We need to do something about it.
00:01:29.000 Joining us now is Chief James Craig.
00:01:31.000 He is running for the Senate in the beautiful state of Michigan and the important state of Michigan.
00:01:37.000 Mr. Craig, welcome to the program.
00:01:38.000 Tell us about your candidacy.
00:01:40.000 I'm excited to be here, Charlie.
00:01:42.000 Thanks for having me on your show.
00:01:44.000 As you probably know, I served in law enforcement for 44 years and had a chance.
00:01:50.000 I started my career in Detroit where I was born.
00:01:53.000 And after being laid off, went to California and I was with the Los Angeles Police Department for almost three decades, rose through the ranks.
00:02:04.000 And then I fulfilled my dream of becoming the chief.
00:02:07.000 I went on and became the chief at Portland, Maine.
00:02:10.000 A lot of people say, how do you leave Southern California and go to Portland, Maine?
00:02:16.000 Well, that's a good question, but I did it.
00:02:18.000 And it was a great experience.
00:02:20.000 And so I stayed there a couple of years.
00:02:23.000 And from there, I went to Cincinnati and became the chief of police.
00:02:26.000 Stayed a couple of years.
00:02:28.000 And in the state of Michigan, Detroit was going through bankruptcy, had an emergency manager, and he needed a chief.
00:02:36.000 And they asked me if I wanted to come home.
00:02:38.000 And the rest is history.
00:02:40.000 I ended up staying eight years until I woke up one morning.
00:02:43.000 I said, I guess I want to go into politics.
00:02:47.000 And that's how I got started on the journey.
00:02:50.000 As you probably know, I was in the last cycle running for Michigan governor, leading GOP candidate until I got taken off the ballot based on some petition signatures.
00:03:05.000 And after that was over, I thought I was, for the most part, done with politics.
00:03:12.000 And then people kept saying, you know, you need to run for governor again.
00:03:16.000 And then when Debbie Stavanaugh left or is leaving, it vacated her seat's going to be vacant. 0.92
00:03:25.000 People said, run for the U.S. Senate.
00:03:27.000 So that's where I am.
00:03:28.000 And I think when I look at U.S. Senate compared to governor, it's just so much going on wrong with our country under this administration.
00:03:38.000 You talked about it in your beginning monologue.
00:03:42.000 Crime is out of control, but it is controllable.
00:03:48.000 I'll give you an example.
00:03:50.000 Now, let's talk about 2020 post-George Floyd.
00:03:54.000 A lot of cities, major cities were on fire, looting, police, you name it.
00:03:59.000 Going on in these major cities.
00:04:03.000 Groups of people converge, incited riots.
00:04:06.000 They came to Detroit too.
00:04:08.000 One big difference, though, Detroit didn't burn.
00:04:11.000 There was no looting.
00:04:13.000 There was no rioting.
00:04:14.000 And there's a number of reasons for that.
00:04:17.000 And certainly I can't take all the credit, but certainly I'm a leader who leads from the front.
00:04:23.000 Those who converged on Detroit to wreak havoc knew I was there, knew I was not playing.
00:04:31.000 I had men and women, the police officers who were ready to act when necessary.
00:04:38.000 And then we had a community.
00:04:40.000 And, you know, Detroit's not naive to civil unrest.
00:04:46.000 I remember 1967 riots of Detroit.
00:04:49.000 But Detroiters said, no, you're an outsider.
00:04:52.000 You're not going to come in and burn our city up.
00:04:54.000 And so they stood with us.
00:04:56.000 And to this day, we're not seeing the same level of criminal activity that you see.
00:05:03.000 Well, you saw what happened in Philadelphia just, what, last weekend?
00:05:08.000 Two nights of riot, you know, retail theft.
00:05:11.000 And then in D.C., who by per capita probably has more law enforcement just because it is DC and a DC or a U.S. congressman gets carjacked.
00:05:24.000 And they've had 700 carjackings in DC.
00:05:29.000 And tell me why that's out of control.
00:05:32.000 I mean, I have the answers, but your viewers, your listeners, they know the answers too.
00:05:41.000 Some of these blue cities have just given up.
00:05:44.000 And you got these woke, progressive prosecutors that care more about the criminal and make them victims.
00:05:51.000 And the true victims of these cities, they don't get the support any longer.
00:05:56.000 They just don't.
00:05:56.000 No, and the stories that are pouring in of young women, there's this one from Baltimore, this young lady holds the door in the elevator for a guy who should not have been on the streets who previously raped, and he ended up raping and murdering her.
00:06:12.000 It's just like, it just is so sad.
00:06:14.000 So I want to play a clip of you announcing your candidacy for Senate.
00:06:18.000 Play Cut 55, please.
00:06:20.000 Well, for years, James Craig was the chief of police in Detroit, Michigan.
00:06:24.000 He rose to the job.
00:06:26.000 He brought clarity and competence.
00:06:29.000 He served that city.
00:06:30.000 What about those families?
00:06:31.000 What about small businesses?
00:06:33.000 What about the victims of crime? 0.85
00:06:34.000 It's going to require strong leadership.
00:06:37.000 And that's what I bring to the table.
00:06:38.000 These are individuals who are political servants, not public servants.
00:06:42.000 These are tough times.
00:06:43.000 It's a blood squish. 0.85
00:06:44.000 Look at what's going on in our state.
00:06:46.000 Our country is going in a bad direction.
00:06:49.000 Americans want better, right?
00:06:50.000 And they want something different.
00:06:52.000 And we're going to give it to them.
00:06:53.000 James Craig has made some noise about getting in.
00:06:57.000 Let the audience know you are running for an open seat in your state, right?
00:07:01.000 I'm Chief James Craig, and I'm running for U.S. Senate.
00:07:06.000 So you're running for the U.S. Senate in Michigan.
00:07:10.000 And what are the Democrats running on when it comes to crime?
00:07:14.000 Are they even addressing the issue?
00:07:16.000 You hear crickets.
00:07:18.000 You know, and I say, you know, when you talk, when the defund the movement was at its height, of course, a bunch of lefties got on board with that.
00:07:27.000 And then they realized, well, this is a bad strategy.
00:07:31.000 So they backed off of the defund the movement, defund the police movement.
00:07:36.000 But the damage was already done and it's still done in many places.
00:07:40.000 They can't hire enough police that are resigning, retiring.
00:07:46.000 You can't retain them.
00:07:48.000 So the damage is still done.
00:07:51.000 And you know, but it's all over.
00:07:55.000 I mean, police officers don't feel supported.
00:08:00.000 Again, you know, the prosecutors are not supporting it.
00:08:03.000 The jails are revolving doors.
00:08:05.000 You brought up the example of the sad tale of the woman being attacked by a repeat offender and should not have been out.
00:08:14.000 There's stories after stories of that all over our country.
00:08:18.000 And you know what's sad?
00:08:20.000 The sad reality is, where's the accountability of the judges?
00:08:24.000 Where's the accountability of the prosecutors?
00:08:27.000 Every now and then you get some cities that want to recall like George Gascon in Los Angeles.
00:08:33.000 And believe it or not, George Gascon and I came up in the Los Angeles Police Department together.
00:08:38.000 He was a cop.
00:08:39.000 Wow.
00:08:40.000 I'm curious, what changed, though?
00:08:42.000 I mean, how do you go from a cop to doing what he's doing?
00:08:44.000 What do you think got to him?
00:08:46.000 Well, I think what got to him, the environment, George Source money.
00:08:53.000 I'll say it again, George Soros, money.
00:08:57.000 You know, when you are a true public servant and you know that you're working for the people, and that's what I bring to the table, I understand my role.
00:09:06.000 It's not the other way around.
00:09:09.000 The people don't work for us.
00:09:12.000 Those are political servants.
00:09:15.000 And so public servants work for people.
00:09:18.000 And it's a distinction from that.
00:09:21.000 And so, you know, when I look at and what I learned through the course of my research relative to the U.S. Senate, they've never had a law enforcement or a police chief elected to the U.S. Senate.
00:09:36.000 And given what's going on today across our country, we need someone who understands what's going on on the ground.
00:09:42.000 Not to take anything away from those who have served as prosecutors, but they're not cops.
00:09:50.000 So really quick.
00:09:51.000 So Mr. Craig, just we're running out of time.
00:09:52.000 Just plug your website, please, so people can support you.
00:09:55.000 Website is www.chiefjamescraig.com.
00:10:01.000 Join me.
00:10:02.000 Let's take back our country.
00:10:03.000 This is not just about Michigan.
00:10:05.000 This is our country.
00:10:06.000 So again, www.chiefjamescraig.com.
00:10:12.000 Let's take it back.
00:10:13.000 Thank you so much, Chief James Craig.
00:10:15.000 Really appreciate it.
00:10:15.000 Thank you.
00:10:16.000 Thank you, Charlie.
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00:11:19.000 This has been overshadowed by four indictments, but it shouldn't be.
00:11:23.000 Donald Trump is undergoing a civil trial in the state of New York.
00:11:26.000 Brought to you by Letitia James.
00:11:28.000 This is so sick what is happening.
00:11:31.000 And of course, not a single Republican AG across the country is willing to use their political power to investigate any one of the Democrats.
00:11:40.000 Again, this is what's so interesting is that she didn't just do this through criminal means.
00:11:45.000 She does this through civil means.
00:11:47.000 And so she's doing this through an investigation via a judge without a jury, despite there being no victims saying Donald Trump defrauded the people of New York.
00:12:00.000 So Letitia James, who campaigned on removing Donald Trump and getting Trump, deliberately engineered a legal case where a jury was not required.
00:12:10.000 No jury. 0.99
00:12:11.000 So then she could get the case in front of a very sympathetic judge.
00:12:16.000 There have been reports attacking Trump, claiming that he is stuck with a bench trial because he didn't require a jury trial.
00:12:22.000 That is a lie.
00:12:24.000 Letitia James actively barred him from getting a jury trial because she knew a jury would be harder to get a conviction from.
00:12:32.000 The case against Trump is called a fraud case.
00:12:36.000 The way that fraud statutes are written in the criminal code, it is so broad, so broad.
00:12:42.000 And in this particular criminal code on the books in New York, it is under section 63, 12, saying that there does not have to be a victim.
00:12:58.000 Is that it just if the government thinks that there was fraud, then it's fraud.
00:13:05.000 So the judge issued a fine against all of Trump's lawyers.
00:13:08.000 And according to an experienced New York attorney we spoke with, the judge only did this because they were representing Trump.
00:13:16.000 He never would have done this with any other legal team over the legal strategy they pursued.
00:13:22.000 So yesterday, Trump was put under a gag order with a threat of jail time for criticizing various members of the court.
00:13:29.000 One of James's goals is to extract hundreds of millions of dollars from Trump in supposed gains from fraud.
00:13:38.000 Man, this just basically, as simple as it gets, they can just find a political enemy in any state, put in front of a sympathetic judge, not even a jury, and take your stuff, take your wealth.
00:13:53.000 So then there's an obvious question.
00:13:56.000 Who did Trump defraud?
00:13:59.000 And that's the crazy part.
00:14:00.000 Nobody.
00:14:00.000 Nobody lost money because of Trump's business endeavors.
00:14:03.000 Trump never used fraud to take out a loan he couldn't repay.
00:14:06.000 He has repaid every loan.
00:14:08.000 There are no victims.
00:14:10.000 Yet for this fake fraud case, the plan is to entirely destroy Trump.
00:14:14.000 The judge has ordered the dissolution of the Trump organization and other businesses owned by Trump.
00:14:21.000 He's ordered them to name potential receivers to take possession of Trump's property.
00:14:25.000 So here's what I understand, Blake, and you could message in the, if the judge has already ordered this, why is there a trial?
00:14:31.000 So it's an order and then a trial?
00:14:32.000 That's what I don't understand.
00:14:34.000 I'm genuinely curious about that.
00:14:36.000 How does the judge do orders of the dissolution of business and then you have to stand for trial?
00:14:41.000 So I'm curious about that.
00:14:44.000 So this could very well end with actors controlled by New York State taking possession of Trump Tower.
00:14:50.000 So the lesson here is that you are a political enemy of the regime.
00:14:56.000 They will shut down your business and seize your stuff.
00:15:00.000 So I guess the trial is figuring out the penalty.
00:15:03.000 The judge has already ruled that Trump committed fraud.
00:15:07.000 We'll say this before and we'll say it again.
00:15:10.000 This is behavior of a third world totalitarian regime.
00:15:14.000 If it happened in any other country, we'd say as much.
00:15:16.000 But many people in America don't care.
00:15:19.000 They support this outright.
00:15:22.000 Let's go to cut 31.
00:15:24.000 Well, I think that was very good.
00:15:27.000 That last five minutes was outstanding because the judge essentially conceded that the statute of attentions that we won at the Court of Appeals is in effect.
00:15:40.000 Therefore, about 80% of the case is over.
00:15:45.000 So there's a statute of limitations issue.
00:15:47.000 This could easily be appealed, but they're going after Trump's business empire.
00:15:53.000 And this is in addition to that crazy E. Gene Carroll case, the Alvin Bragg indictment in New York, Fannie Willis in Georgia, Jack Smith with two separate looming federal indictments.
00:16:07.000 Has there ever been a man as targeted with lawfare as Donald Trump in the modern political era?
00:16:14.000 Ever.
00:16:15.000 The Democrats rejoice in this. 0.56
00:16:17.000 The Democrats enjoy seeing the suffering of their political enemies.
00:16:21.000 They will not stop.
00:16:23.000 It is power for power's sake.
00:16:25.000 How quickly can we get our enemies in jail and take their stuff?
00:16:31.000 Republican Party is not responding.
00:16:33.000 Republican AGs are not doing this.
00:16:36.000 We're just sitting on our hands and hoping it gets better.
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00:17:45.000 Joining us now is Congressman Bob Goode.
00:17:48.000 Congressman, thank you for joining the program.
00:17:50.000 Been an eventful 24 hours.
00:17:52.000 Give us your, let's just say, analysis of the events and how things have proceeded.
00:17:57.000 Well, it was a sad day yesterday that we had to vote to remove a speaker, but it was not a difficult decision.
00:18:05.000 The country is hanging by a thread.
00:18:07.000 We've got so many existential threats, and we must meet the moment.
00:18:10.000 And the status quo certainly wasn't getting it, wasn't the answer.
00:18:15.000 And we needed to disrupt Washington.
00:18:17.000 And this was a win for the American people.
00:18:19.000 This was a blow against the swamp cartel, the uniparty system that's been oppressing the American people, that's given us the $33 trillion national debt and a $2 trillion deficit this year with the Republican majority that has done very little in terms of truly engaging and throwing down, if you will, on the border issue or the weaponization of the government against its citizens.
00:18:40.000 And had a former speaker now who led us, I'll use that term led loosely, but led us in passing a continuing resolution on Saturday that the Democrats in the House voted 209 to 1.
00:18:51.000 Senate Democrats voted 51 to 0.
00:18:54.000 And that was just a few months after we passed an unlimited increase to the debt ceiling where Democrats overwhelmingly supported that because it allows us to spend as much as we want with no limits between now and January 25.
00:19:06.000 And of course, the uniparty system is wonderful about coming together and spending your hard-earned pack taxpayer money.
00:19:12.000 So it was a great day for America.
00:19:15.000 It is a great opportunity for us to actually bring the kind of change that is needed to be brought in Washington.
00:19:20.000 And I look forward to us selecting a new speaker here in the next few days.
00:19:24.000 So, by the way, some breaking news.
00:19:26.000 Steve Scalise officially puts his name in the ring for Speaker of the House.
00:19:30.000 We'll talk about that in a second.
00:19:31.000 Walk us through the sequence of events, though, Congressman, because we were talking about 9.30, 9.30.
00:19:37.000 Walk through what you and Matt Gates would call as the betrayal.
00:19:40.000 What were you told was going to happen on 9.30?
00:19:44.000 And then walk us through some play-by-play of how things actually unfolded.
00:19:48.000 Well, I have to go back a little bit further to January.
00:19:50.000 Forgive me for going back to that again, but January, as we know, is historic.
00:19:54.000 We're the first time in 160 years.
00:19:56.000 Members of Congress took their own political futures at risk, if you will, and were willing to sacrifice their own ambitions and their own, the safety and comfort of a congressional seat in order to challenge their own presumptive speaker to vote time and again for change in terms of leadership of the conference.
00:20:15.000 And the reason that I primarily gave for that was we couldn't repeat the failures of the past where Republicans, when we had majorities in the House in the last 15 years or so, we passed all the major spending bills, predominantly Democrat votes, something the Democrats would never and have never done.
00:20:31.000 And so ultimately, Speaker, former Speaker McCarthy did prevail on the wee hours in the morning of January 7.
00:20:38.000 And I pledged my personal support to him and told him, you know, I'm behind you.
00:20:42.000 I want you to be successful because the country needs you to be successful.
00:20:45.000 And we tried to work with him.
00:20:46.000 And that was pretty strong through April until the debt limit agreement where he passed that unconditional debt ceiling, you know, surrender to the Biden demands of no spending cuts in return for a debt increase.
00:20:59.000 And then he promised Charlie to pass all, or at least bring to the floor for a vote all 12 of our spending bills, our appropriations bills, something that hasn't happened in 20 years, and that we would at least have votes on the floor and that he would he committed to going back to pre-COVID level spending for non-defense discretionary.
00:21:15.000 Then he reneged on that, waffled on that, just in terms of bringing, you know, trying to implement our conservative policies and cutting our spending to a very modest $1.471 trillion for non-defense discretionary.
00:21:27.000 And that number doesn't mean a whole lot to people, but essentially that would cut about $115 billion this year.
00:21:33.000 Take our deficit from $2.2 trillion to $2.1.
00:21:36.000 That's how radical we are.
00:21:38.000 But cutting $100 billion would be historic by congressional standards because we never cut anything.
00:21:42.000 But he waffled on that.
00:21:44.000 He didn't bring the bills to the floor.
00:21:45.000 We only had one out of the 12 come for a vote before we went to the August work period.
00:21:50.000 And then we come back from August and there's no sense of urgency.
00:21:53.000 We were gone two weeks in September.
00:21:54.000 We should have stayed there and completed the negligent work there.
00:21:58.000 And we only passed or brought to the floor four more bills for a vote and three of those passed.
00:22:03.000 So we go to September 30 and it was clear to me actually on September 29 last Friday that he was willing to do anything, anything to avoid a government shutdown.
00:22:13.000 And when you're willing to not, when you're not willing to endure any pressure or temporary discomfort of a pause in the non-essential 15% of government operations, that means you're guaranteed to lose in any kind of negotiations with the Senate or the White House.
00:22:27.000 And he proved that, and that was the final straw for me.
00:22:30.000 He proved that with that continuing resolution, keeping all the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer policies in place for another 45 days, the policies that are crushing us fiscally and bankrupting the country and the policies under which the American people are truly suffering, as you know.
00:22:45.000 And so it's clear that he was not going to keep his commitments.
00:22:48.000 We knew he was probably not the change agent that we needed, obviously, but we had to give him a chance to demonstrate that one way or another after he was elected speaker.
00:22:57.000 And so I compliment my friend Matt Gates for being the one who had the courage to go ahead and file the motion.
00:23:04.000 I had let him know I would absolutely vote for it if anyone filed it.
00:23:06.000 I was not going to vote to keep Kevin McCarthy under any circumstances.
00:23:09.000 And, you know, we're trying to decide when was the best time to do it.
00:23:12.000 When did it make the most sense strategically?
00:23:14.000 Matt decided it was Monday night.
00:23:16.000 And I think that was demonstrated to have been the case, that that was a wise move to do that.
00:23:21.000 So I want a couple of thoughts.
00:23:23.000 Were you surprised that Democrats did not bail Kevin McCarthy out?
00:23:29.000 Because when I was talking to Matt over the weekend, he actually thought that, you know, this is an important vote, but, you know, Democrats are going to do this.
00:23:36.000 Were you shocked that it succeeded?
00:23:38.000 Honestly, I was conflicted.
00:23:40.000 I didn't know.
00:23:41.000 On the one hand, I thought, you know, Kevin McCarthy's kind of doing everything they want on the big stuff.
00:23:45.000 I mean, we passed messaging bills out of the House that have no chance in the Senate, and he kind of was trying to hold the Republican coalition there together to do this stuff that was just kind of messaging bills.
00:23:56.000 But when the chips were down and we really needed him to lead on the debt ceiling and in the appropriations process, he was MIA and was essentially doing what the Democrats wanted.
00:24:05.000 So I thought, why wouldn't they just sort of protect him?
00:24:08.000 You know, they could probably get some concessions out of him to do so.
00:24:11.000 And because they could only do worse, I would submit, with a Republican speaker.
00:24:16.000 On the other hand, it was hard to imagine.
00:24:17.000 They don't like Kevin McCarthy a whole lot more than any other Republican.
00:24:21.000 And so I think there's probably some personal animosity towards him from the Democrats.
00:24:24.000 And so it was also hard to imagine they would sort of try to bail him out.
00:24:28.000 But I just didn't know.
00:24:29.000 I thought it was maybe 50-50.
00:24:31.000 We were going to do what we thought was right and either force the Democrats to save Speaker McCarthy to demonstrate once again who he really was and who he was working for or to be able to vacate him by going ahead and having what we thought was going to be around 10 votes.
00:24:46.000 We had 11, as you noted, that agreed to advance the motion to, or voted against tabling the motion and allowed it to proceed.
00:24:53.000 And we had eight ultimately vote to vacate.
00:24:55.000 So I want to play a piece of tape here, and I want your response.
00:24:58.000 Newt Gingrich calling you a traitor that should be run out of public life.
00:25:02.000 Let's play Cut 46.
00:25:04.000 96% of the Republicans voted for McCarthy.
00:25:08.000 4% voted against him. 0.94
00:25:09.000 From my position as a longtime Republican activist, they're traitors.
00:25:14.000 All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried. 0.96
00:25:16.000 They should all be driven out of public life.
00:25:18.000 What they did was to go to the other team to cause total chaos.
00:25:23.000 We ought to be focusing on Biden.
00:25:25.000 We ought to be focusing on the economy.
00:25:27.000 We ought to be focusing on the border.
00:25:29.000 Instead, you're going to get a week or 10 days of the media focusing on Republican disarray.
00:25:35.000 It's an astonishingly destructive behavior by a handful of egocentric people who think they're superior to 96% of the conference.
00:25:45.000 So are you a traitor?
00:25:46.000 Feel superior and egocentric, Bob Good.
00:25:49.000 Well, former Speaker Gingrich was equally critical of us back in January.
00:25:53.000 He thought Kevin McCarthy was just a swell guy and was the perfect guy for speaker.
00:25:57.000 And we ought to all just surrender our vote to the majority of the conference.
00:26:00.000 And it didn't really take 218 to become speaker.
00:26:03.000 You just were supposed to figure out what the pulse of the conference was and then fall in line and do whatever the majority did.
00:26:08.000 So he opposed this back in January.
00:26:09.000 I think he struggles to look at anything through his former speaker lens is the way he sees it.
00:26:15.000 And I guess he didn't like it when members of Congress maybe had their own thoughts and didn't do what he told them to do as speaker.
00:26:20.000 And so I suppose he's sticking up for his fellow former speaker now, Kevin McCarthy.
00:26:26.000 So now there's a question of who should be speaker.
00:26:28.000 Who are you going to support?
00:26:29.000 It looks like Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise are two in the running.
00:26:33.000 Your block, if you will, right?
00:26:35.000 Rosendale, you could put Roy, Luna, yourself.
00:26:40.000 Which candidate are you going to be more likely to voice support for?
00:26:43.000 Well, I will resist naming any particular candidates, but I will say that we're going to be carefully vetting, challenging, testing these candidates.
00:26:54.000 You know, it's funny, as you know, back in January, and again, more recently, people were, some of the media members say, oh, you don't have another candidate.
00:27:00.000 You don't have a plan.
00:27:01.000 When anyone who knows how things work in Washington realized that as long as there was the presumption of a particular person to be speaker, that those who have stature or credibility or influence throughout the conference are not going to raise their hand and say, I will challenge the throne and risk whatever consequence to them would come from that.
00:27:18.000 And that's not how you advance in the conference system and in the swamp system is by challenging leadership publicly.
00:27:24.000 But what we knew as soon as Speaker McCarthy was dethroned, you'd have a number of members of Congress raise their hands and say they're interested, put their hat in the ring.
00:27:31.000 In addition to the ones that you've mentioned, you've got Kevin Hearn from Oklahoma and one or two others who are rumored to be candidates and who others have mentioned as candidates.
00:27:40.000 I've had several reach out to me, and we're going to be vetting and testing them.
00:27:43.000 The good news is, Charlie, we're going to have a contest and a competition, as it should be.
00:27:47.000 We'll have that on smaller group levels between now and Tuesday.
00:27:51.000 And on Tuesday, we'll have a candidate forum where they have to present themselves at the conference, be held up to scrutiny, and then to earn the trust and the support of 218 members.
00:28:00.000 That's the way it's supposed to work.
00:28:01.000 It's not supposed to be a coronation.
00:28:02.000 In closing, and I'm sure you're getting this question a lot, Congressman.
00:28:06.000 What do you have to say to the criticism that you voted with the Democrat conference yesterday?
00:28:11.000 Some people are asking, how would you respond to that?
00:28:14.000 Yeah, I don't have any control how the Democrats vote, but what I did was a vote for change in Washington to try to save the country.
00:28:21.000 Again, we've got a small window of opportunity to do that.
00:28:23.000 If you thought Kevin McCarthy was going to do that, that suddenly he was going to summon the courage and the resolve to fight in a way he never has in his entire career except to be speaker.
00:28:31.000 We just couldn't afford to continue.
00:28:33.000 And it was clear after Saturday that this was an abysmal failure of leadership.
00:28:38.000 And, you know, to stand against your own Republican Party when it's not being, I'll say, Republican enough or conservative enough or following through on its principles is far different than members of our own party who say they want to collude with the Democrats to pass bills that the Democrats want, pass legislation that the Democrats want, or establish a coalition government with Democrats.
00:28:57.000 That's a totally different thing.
00:28:58.000 Bob Good.
00:28:59.000 We will be watching closely for whatever it's worth.
00:29:01.000 I think Jim Jordan is an excellent selection.
00:29:04.000 So that's my two cents for you today.
00:29:05.000 Congressman Good, thanks so much.
00:29:07.000 Thank you, Charlie.
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00:30:13.000 So many stories still to cover here.
00:30:15.000 So Donald Trump is facing this fraud trial in New York.
00:30:19.000 The House is without a speaker.
00:30:21.000 And I want to push back on one of the narratives that is out there right now.
00:30:29.000 And it's all over the place, politico.com.
00:30:33.000 And they say the ruddeless GOP careens towards 2024.
00:30:39.000 Kevin McCarthy undoing underscores a bigger problem, the inability to govern itself that risks imperiling the party's chances in 2024.
00:30:48.000 Politico.com, Politico magazine, the House GOP is a failed state.
00:30:53.000 Kevin McCarthy's ouster is a dramatic evidence, if redundant, about the modern state of the GOP.
00:30:59.000 So there is some, there's, obviously there's a little bit of truth to these stories, as it is usually with the media.
00:31:04.000 They'll find a sliver of truth and build an entire narrative of lies around a little kernel of truth.
00:31:11.000 But what's the real problem here?
00:31:14.000 The problem is exactly what we have been articulating on this program over the last 11 months, over the last 18 months, since we've started this show, which is this never would have happened.
00:31:27.000 Motion to vacate what they're calling chaos.
00:31:29.000 Newt Gingrich is calling people traitors if the Republican Party was as conservative as their voters.
00:31:39.000 None of this would have happened.
00:31:41.000 And yet, it is a mess.
00:31:42.000 I'm not, Bob Goode himself said this was sad.
00:31:47.000 You can take whatever you want out of it.
00:31:49.000 Sad, you could rejoice and all that.
00:31:51.000 I don't love the media's characterization, though.
00:31:55.000 They say inability to govern.
00:31:57.000 Why is that inability to govern there?
00:32:00.000 It's because there are proclamations and promises made to the base of the Republican Party that are never saw through.
00:32:12.000 They're never seen through, I should say, ever.
00:32:16.000 These proclamations: we're going to defund IRS agents and we're going to secure the border and we're going to do all these different things.
00:32:23.000 And this is what's changed.
00:32:26.000 And this is what bothers me about Newt Gingrich, Newt Gingrich, again, is a friend and friend of the show.
00:32:32.000 And I hope he'll come on again.
00:32:33.000 We just see this completely differently.
00:32:35.000 But there was an old political environment that used to exist.
00:32:39.000 And this was before shows like Steve Bannon, before Tucker Carlson, before our show, before Jack Pesobic, before all of these different programs.
00:32:48.000 The audience is smarter, more informed, more engaged, more aware than any other time.
00:33:00.000 And I've been very, very clear about this, okay?
00:33:03.000 I've known Kevin for years.
00:33:05.000 Kevin hosted our students at the congressional in Congress this summer.
00:33:10.000 He was very gracious, our student leaders, and you guys should support that because you want conservative students to see Congress and all that.
00:33:18.000 But Kevin disappointed me on some of the debt stuff.
00:33:21.000 He disappointed me on 9:30.
00:33:23.000 He disappointed me on J6 stuff.
00:33:25.000 But I'm not going to do the anti-Kevin thing.
00:33:27.000 You guys know my position there.
00:33:28.000 He's always been good to me.
00:33:30.000 He's been good to Turning Point USA.
00:33:33.000 But you can only play with the base so much.
00:33:37.000 You can only play with the base so much without having some sort of a reaction.
00:33:41.000 But Kevin, I think, was getting bad advice from Newt Gingrich, which was saying that, oh, just kind of ignore the base.
00:33:49.000 What's different is you is that you're reading the appropriations bills.
00:33:55.000 Because of the advent of digital social media, because of more radio shows and more podcasts and more things that are available, it is harder to hoodwink the conservative base than ever before.
00:34:13.000 And that is something that the old establishment is just learning.
00:34:20.000 And with all possible due respect, Speaker Gingrich, you just can't go on Sean Hannity's show and saying we're going to run people out of public life and they're traitors because you're basically attacking their voters when you say that.
00:34:34.000 And this is the rise of the new right.
00:34:36.000 This is my new book that's coming out, Right Wing Revolution, where I say that when I host this program, it takes hours of work to be ahead of you, the audience.
00:34:49.000 I have to know my stuff because you will correct a factoid.
00:34:52.000 You'll send me articles.
00:34:53.000 You'll say, no, Charlie, that's not right, or this or that.
00:34:56.000 That never used to be the case.
00:34:59.000 Not to say that the audience wasn't engaged, but it was nowhere like this.
00:35:04.000 And so then when there is disappointment, when there is, we're going to do this and we're not going to do that, we're going to do this, and that falls short of the expectation, the base, the audience, the people pounce on it.
00:35:17.000 And the regime and the old Republicans are shocked that there are millions of patriots that care, are informed, engaged, and holding them accountable.
00:35:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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