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00:01:22.000Momentarily, we're going to welcome Professor Alan Dershowitz to the program on this unbelievable story out of New York.
00:01:30.000You know, I'm not far from Palm Beach here, and I know the Palm Beach landscape pretty well.
00:01:35.000And a friend of mine who's been a donor to Turning Point USA has a five-bedroom, five-bath home that is selling and has offers in for $70 million.
00:04:00.000Yeah, even if the Trump people had demanded a jury trial, the judge would have taken it away from them because a summary judgment basically says the evidence is so clear and overwhelming that you don't need a jury.
00:04:11.000I, the judge, can make the decision about how much everything is worth.
00:04:15.000And of course, he got everything wrong, which shows the need for a jury trial.
00:04:20.000But he took away the jury trial, even from the initial part.
00:04:25.000Now we have a second part of the case, the remedies.
00:04:28.000Not clear whether Trump is entitled to a jury trial on that, and not clear whether his own lawyers may have waived the jury trial on that.
00:04:36.000But look, it's not going to get a fair jury in New York either.
00:04:39.000And so help me understand, Professor, how you can try a fraud trial when there are no victims, when the banks made $100 million on interest.
00:06:05.000That would be a taking and raise a federal constitutional issue.
00:06:08.000The state, the government can't take things from you without just compensation unless there's a very, very strong basis in law.
00:06:16.000And with no victims, no harm, no damage, the idea of punishing somebody by taking away an iconic building like that would take the case to the Supreme Court.
00:06:26.000And I think Trump would win in the Supreme Court.
00:06:28.000Remember, though, the strategy is to get him down and dirty before the election, affect the election.
00:06:35.000And then if it's reversed on appeal, who cares?
00:06:38.000Look, as you know, I'm a liberal Democrat.
00:06:40.000I would like to see Trump defeated fair and square by the voters without the thumb of the weaponized criminal justice system on the scale of justice.
00:07:13.000And we have a right to have that election based on our votes, not on some bureaucrat deciding that he's ineligible under the 14th Amendment or some elected prosecutor saying, I want to rerun for office on a Get Trump theory.
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00:10:03.000One of the reasons why you are so upset with your Republican Party is that we have not done a crumb of work to hold unelected administrative bureaucrats like Merrick Garland, not just accountable, but to check and balance him.
00:10:20.000The original structure of the U.S. Constitution was that the bureaucracies are not their own super shadow government.
00:11:06.000Woodrow Wilson was the first president to say that the founding fathers got it wrong, and it set us on a different path.
00:11:13.000So Merrick Garland is able to lie with impunity because Merrick Garland and his technocracy technocrats, they philosophically believe that they are above the representatives of the people.
00:11:30.000And this is exactly how we get a security state, otherwise known as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, that goes after the entire right-wing part of the country.
00:11:40.000We're going to dedicate a whole hour to that next hour.
00:11:47.000But what's really going on here with the speaker election or the new speaker election is can we recommit ourselves to the form that the founders put forward in the United States Constitution.
00:12:02.000If you were to get moderate Republicans and the entire Democrat Party in the room, they might disagree on, you know, abortion or marriage or some other stuff like that.
00:12:12.000But do you know where they will agree?
00:12:15.000They think that the system of checks and balances, independent judiciary, and consent of the governed is outdated.
00:12:23.000They think now that we have Twitter and Facebook and cross-country flights and the internet, we need a government that is structured in a modern way.
00:12:35.000And that's what's really at stake here.
00:12:38.000Do we recommit ourselves to the roots of the greatest political document ever written?
00:12:52.000It's the will of the people or the will of the experts.
00:12:56.000And we saw this play out in such high stakes with Anthony Fauci.
00:13:00.000And Fauci was never held accountable because Fauci was part of that fourth branch of government, unelected, unknown amounts of power and unchecked.
00:13:10.000And the speaker battle was just another iteration of the Republican base trying to say, why can't we have a constitutional reset, not have this administrative philosopher king community that can reign terror over the sovereign?
00:13:29.000And that is a perfect pretext to our conversation we're about to have with Congressman Thomas Massey.
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00:15:25.000We had a debt commission and 21 Republicans took that one down, voted against it.
00:15:30.000Of course, every Democrat voted against it.
00:15:32.000And at that point, it felt like we were out of steam.
00:15:36.000We couldn't get a bill to the floor because there were rebels who would take down the rule.
00:15:42.000And so the Senate was going to jam us with a CR that had Ukraine on it.
00:15:48.000And Kevin made a play call, decided to jam the Senate.
00:15:52.000That's when the fire alarm went off, by the way, because the Democrats did, they wanted to buy more time.
00:15:58.000So they made a motion to adjourn and voted with their paper voting cards instead of their electronic voting cards because they didn't expect Kevin McCarthy to pass the CR that didn't have Ukraine on it before the Senate.
00:16:13.000Now, a lot of us didn't vote for that particular CR, but it was far better than what the Senate was going to do to us.
00:16:20.000And really, Kevin had no other options.
00:16:23.000He couldn't get bills through the Rules Committee, which is a committee that I serve on, because people would take down the rule on the floor.
00:16:29.000In other words, conservatives would vote against it.
00:16:32.000So he made the best of a bad situation.
00:16:40.000Of course, now we're back under 40 days because on Sunday, you know, one of my colleagues who I have a lot of respect for, but don't really agree with what he did, went on Sunday show, said he's going to vacate the speaker.
00:16:54.000We come back Monday, boom, he calls the motion.
00:17:09.000So there was a margin there that showed it was pretty conclusive.
00:17:14.000And now we don't have a speaker, and there's a scramble for power in the House.
00:17:18.000So there's a lot to unpack here, Congressman, but our audience is largely in favor of what happened with the motion to vacate.
00:17:29.000I want to just spend a little bit of time on here.
00:17:31.000I know it's a little bit in the rearview mirror, but I think it's necessary.
00:17:34.000What do you have to say about this idea that it's just one CR too many, that we should have just 12 appropriation bills, that we have a crisis of debt, a crisis of deficit, the border, and that the CR was just a broken promise?
00:17:50.000How would you respond to that, Congressman?
00:17:54.000And that's the big tragedy here is that the people who immediately got religion and were against any kind of CR, even a CR that cut government at 8%, they forget that the January deal with Kevin, which I helped negotiate, I was in the room, and this was actually my contribution to the deal, was a guarantee that if we didn't get the 12 bills done, if the Senate didn't take up our 12 bills, that we would put on the floor a CR that funded government at 98%.
00:18:24.000That was the rebel position in January, was that our fallback was going to be a CR at 98%.
00:18:31.000And they totally moved the goalposts because then they got a religious objection to CRs and said they wouldn't even do one at 92% with a border security bill on it.
00:18:41.000Which that part is either people have either forgotten what the January deal was.
00:18:50.000I don't think they're being disingenuous.
00:18:52.000But if they do remember what the January deal was, they are being disingenuous.
00:18:56.000And you could ask any of the people who were in the room, Chip Roy, Byron Dallas, Scott Perry, they were in the room negotiating that deal with Kevin in January with me.
00:19:06.000So, Congressman, now, given who's running for speaker, it seems like it's going to be Jordan v. Scalise.
00:19:13.000Who are you going to voice support for?
00:19:15.000Who do you think is able to win the votes necessary on a floor vote and also unite the conference so that we can get back to fiscal discipline, reigning in Jack Smith, all the things that I know you believe in?
00:19:33.000He would be the speaker that I have dreamed of having.
00:19:38.000He's been really excellent on the judiciary committee, and he used to chair the oversight committee, and I served on the oversight committee with him.
00:19:46.000Now I serve on the judiciary committee with him.
00:19:49.000His skills as a coach in the past have carried over.
00:20:03.000And I just really don't think he could. be easily vacated by anybody because he's a strong personality as well and unites the group of the conference.
00:20:15.000So eventually there is this debate that's going to happen between Jordan and Scalise on Monday.
00:20:22.000Can you just fill us in a little bit of the anger that the caucus has been feeling?
00:20:29.000We talk about how it's going to come to blows or it almost came to blows.
00:20:36.000Well, I've witnessed people dropping F-bombs and calling each other names in our GOP conference.
00:20:42.000Now, that's behind closed doors and probably a good thing, but usually people calm down and come back the next day and apologize if they pop off like that.
00:20:56.000It doesn't do any good to get mad at anybody.
00:20:59.000And everybody's trying to achieve the same thing.
00:21:02.000We just may have different tactics and strategies.
00:21:06.000Some people don't have strategies at times.
00:21:08.000But I think what's going to be important, Charlie, is the speaker, each speaker candidate needs to bring with them not just the platitudes of apple pie and puppy dogs and baseball and whatever, American themes.
00:21:26.000They need to bring with them a concrete plan for funding the government in a conservative way in the next 90 days, because the last thing I want is the Schumer-McConnell special that we typically get in December.
00:21:43.000And, you know, after we've delayed twice, that cannot happen.
00:21:48.000If somebody is a speaker and that is the outcome, then even if it's my favorite candidate, Jim Jordan, then that would be a failure.
00:21:56.000But Jim Jordan has a plan to get us past that.
00:21:58.000Yeah, so part of the audience is saying, you know, we've seen they were disappointed in the debt ceiling and that the CR was not exactly what we wanted.
00:22:08.000What do you think Jim Jordan's strategy will be to ensure that we don't have the Christmas multi-trillion dollar boondoggle, right?
00:22:22.000How much graft can we fit into a 3,000-page bill in six hours or less?
00:22:27.000And we know that's where we're barreling towards that, right?
00:22:29.000That this 45-day CR that was passed last weekend, I don't think should be celebrated because it only increases the likelihood of a holiday out, which I've seen for over a decade.
00:22:40.000So what strategically do you think that Congressman Jordan can present if he's Speaker of the House or whoever becomes Speaker of the House to use leverage so that we do not have that and we can actually cut spending and trim our deficit?
00:22:54.000Well, there's a dynamic in our conference that if you're on Twitter or if you're watching Fox News, you just can't conceive of because there are 222 Republicans.
00:23:05.000Most of your listeners would be hard pressed to name more than 40 of them.
00:23:09.000And so there are about 180 you never see.
00:23:11.000And they're conservatives, but they're not on TV.
00:23:16.000And what you have to do is keep the whole conference together when you get to these impasse, like an impending shutdown.
00:23:22.000And we have probably a dozen members who will not do a shutdown under any situation.
00:23:28.000They will join with the Democrats and do a discharge petition.
00:23:33.000So you've got to keep those people on board.
00:23:36.000I think what I would do, I can't speak for Jim Jordan, but there's a provision in that debt limit deal that I got inserted in there whereby there's a 1% sequester, an automatic cut.
00:23:50.000It takes effect in the spring, but it applies retroactively from October 1st forward.
00:23:57.000All of government gets cut 1% if we don't get the 12 bills done.
00:24:02.000And that was a provision that I got in the debt limit deal.
00:24:05.000Kevin's gone, but that provision is still in there because Joe Biden signed it into law.
00:24:10.000And I think the smart play would be instead of setting ourselves up for another shutdown debacle where so many of our conference bulks, and I have sympathy for them, they're in a lot tougher districts to win than I'm in.
00:24:25.000We got to figure out how to keep them together.
00:24:27.000So instead of having a shutdown cliff, we should have a sequester cliff.
00:24:32.000So instead of shutting down all the government, you carve it back 1%.
00:24:36.000And you could do that as many times as you want, but there's one of those already signed into law that triggers in January.
00:24:42.000And that would be motivation for people to come to the table and do the 12 bills without doing unnatural things because they're panicked due to a shutdown.
00:24:51.000Really quick, is that 1% in the cut in the growth of spending, or is that an actual 1% structural cut in spending?
00:24:58.000So is that like a cut in the rate of growth or an actual cut?
00:25:02.000Actual cut to the actual number last year.
00:25:06.000If you want to use Swamp Math, it's probably like a 6% cut.
00:25:09.000But if you use Charlie Kirk Thomas Massey math, it's 1%.
00:25:16.000I think that's what's important is that the budget automatically increases at the rate of inflation, which now is 6% to 7% based on normal numbers.
00:25:25.000So if you quote unquote cut, sometimes they call it a cut.
00:25:28.000This is baseline budgeting, but you're not even cutting.
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00:26:48.000Congressman, some of your colleagues are calling for the expulsion of Matt Gates from the Republican conference.
00:26:54.000In fact, some people are saying we need to kick him out of Congress.
00:28:01.000You know, you know, when I actually co-wrote the motion to vacate John Boehner with Mark Meadows, I printed it on my laser printer and took it to the House floor for him that day.
00:28:11.000And I took one with my name on it in case he didn't do it.
00:28:14.000So that's how close I was to that program.
00:28:17.000We actually got five co-sponsors on that.
00:28:20.000You can go back and look in the 114th Congress.
00:28:25.000And I think five is a reasonable number.
00:28:29.000If you don't have five people, then one person shouldn't be able to start throwing everything into a Tizzy.
00:28:37.000It should not be like Pelosi did it, where you had to get like chairman of committees and stuff.
00:28:44.000I think, you know, when our founders put that in there, and it's in Jefferson's manual, they really didn't anticipate the sort of bifurcation of the party system and that you would have to get every vote from your party in order to remain speaker.
00:29:00.000I think when they were drawing it all up, they sort of thought there would be multiple parties or maybe one group of people that all got along.
00:29:08.000And it seemed reasonable that you should have to at all times have a support of at least half of the conference in order to remain speaker.
00:29:15.000But now times have changed and you automatically lose the support of the other party because the speaker has evolved.
00:30:15.000And I think people have a desire to get together and move on.
00:30:20.000And I think the eight who vacated Speaker McCarthy are in front of their skis, and they really don't have much latitude to turn down the next speaker because they said anything's better than Kevin McCarthy when they vacated him.
00:30:32.000So now we'll test that and see if they really believe it.
00:30:35.000Congressman Massey, thank you for your time today.
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