The Charlie Kirk Show - New York’s One Law: “Get Trump” with Alan Dershowitz and Rep. Thomas Massie

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00:00:01.000 Thomas Massey and Alan Dershowitz on an action-packed episode.

00:00:04.000 We talk about New York trial with Donald Trump, the civil trial, and then also we discuss the Thomas Massey speaker debate.

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00:01:22.000 Momentarily, we're going to welcome Professor Alan Dershowitz to the program on this unbelievable story out of New York.

00:01:30.000 You know, I'm not far from Palm Beach here, and I know the Palm Beach landscape pretty well.

00:01:35.000 And a friend of mine who's been a donor to Turning Point USA has a five-bedroom, five-bath home that is selling and has offers in for $70 million.

00:01:46.000 $70 million.

00:01:48.000 In Palm Beach, you could have a shack and it's worth like $12 million.

00:01:52.000 Letitia James has a tweet out where she says that Mar-a-Lago is worth $28 million.

00:01:59.000 Mar-a-Lago, which is easily 35 to 40 bedrooms, ocean front property.

00:02:07.000 It bisects Ocean Boulevard, if you know Palm Beach, and many of you I'm sure have driven by just to see the beautiful Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:15.000 Plush Gardens, not just a pool, but a hotel-style pool.

00:02:21.000 It's a mansion, beyond a mansion.

00:02:23.000 It has a world-class event center, which we've done events at before.

00:02:27.000 It has 58 bedrooms.

00:02:29.000 Thank you, Ryan.

00:02:29.000 33 bathrooms, a 29-foot Pietra Dura marble top dining table, and 12 fireplaces.

00:02:37.000 That's just one element of the outrage here.

00:02:38.000 Joining us now is the legendary Professor Alan Dershowitz.

00:02:42.000 Professor, thank you for joining the program.

00:02:44.000 Professor, you always say we're at three bananas, four bananas, six bananas.

00:02:47.000 How many bananas are we at now, considering the Trump fraud trial and how that's going?

00:02:53.000 We're at six, but we're getting to seven with Letitia James.

00:02:57.000 And I mean, her outrageous charges.

00:03:01.000 First of all, there were no complainants.

00:03:03.000 There were no victims.

00:03:04.000 He didn't try to defraud the banks.

00:03:06.000 He could have gotten his loans.

00:03:08.000 He got loans in Atlantic City.

00:03:09.000 Nobody else got loans in Atlantic City.

00:03:11.000 All he had to do was sign his name and he was going to get the loan.

00:03:14.000 If he puffed the value of his properties, it wasn't to defraud the bank.

00:03:19.000 It was to get into the Forbes 100.

00:03:22.000 It was to just puff a little, be a big shot, and be the strongest guy, the biggest guy in town.

00:03:27.000 This is an absurd, absurd case.

00:03:29.000 And if Letitia James wants to arrange for me to buy Mar-a-Lago at $27 million, I'll buy it tomorrow and sell it for 20 times that amount.

00:03:38.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:03:40.000 So, Professor, walk us through some of the technical details here.

00:03:43.000 This was a judge trial, not a jury trial.

00:03:46.000 This is a civil case.

00:03:47.000 I mean, you are the legal expert here.

00:03:50.000 I'm simply a layman.

00:03:52.000 It's an unusual thing.

00:03:53.000 And then the judge came forward with the judgment, and then Trump showed up.

00:03:57.000 Can you just walk through the details here?

00:03:58.000 Because even I'm a little confused.

00:04:00.000 Yeah, even if the Trump people had demanded a jury trial, the judge would have taken it away from them because a summary judgment basically says the evidence is so clear and overwhelming that you don't need a jury.

00:04:11.000 I, the judge, can make the decision about how much everything is worth.

00:04:15.000 And of course, he got everything wrong, which shows the need for a jury trial.

00:04:20.000 But he took away the jury trial, even from the initial part.

00:04:25.000 Now we have a second part of the case, the remedies.

00:04:28.000 Not clear whether Trump is entitled to a jury trial on that, and not clear whether his own lawyers may have waived the jury trial on that.

00:04:36.000 But look, it's not going to get a fair jury in New York either.

00:04:39.000 And so help me understand, Professor, how you can try a fraud trial when there are no victims, when the banks made $100 million on interest.

00:04:47.000 Help me understand that.

00:04:48.000 Well, there's no way of understanding it.

00:04:50.000 It's absurd.

00:04:50.000 Fraud means that you're cheating somebody.

00:04:54.000 And as I've said before, there is no way that he was trying to get loans by overstating the value of his property.

00:05:02.000 The bank's going to give him loans anyway.

00:05:03.000 He's very good at repaying the loans.

00:05:05.000 He repaid them all.

00:05:06.000 They made a profit.

00:05:08.000 If he was puffing at all, he was puffing just for his macho reasons.

00:05:12.000 So there is no harm here.

00:05:15.000 You remember Chick Hearn, the great basketball announcer in Los Angeles?

00:05:20.000 He invented the term, no harm, no foul.

00:05:23.000 And no harm, no crime, no fraud.

00:05:27.000 Who is he defrauding?

00:05:28.000 You can't just defraud up in the air.

00:05:31.000 You have to be a victim.

00:05:32.000 And there's no victim here.

00:05:33.000 There's no complainant.

00:05:34.000 It's only a politician who ran.

00:05:37.000 Remember, I wrote a book called Get Trump.

00:05:39.000 I didn't invent that title.

00:05:40.000 That's Letitia James' title. 1.00

00:05:42.000 She ran on the campaign pledge to get Trump. 1.00

00:05:45.000 And if she fails to get Trump, she will lose re-election.

00:05:49.000 So she has a stake in the outcome of the case.

00:05:52.000 Professor, is it unrealistic that the state of New York could confiscate Trump Tower, could take his assets from him?

00:06:02.000 Is that in the realm of possibility?

00:06:05.000 That would be a taking and raise a federal constitutional issue.

00:06:08.000 The state, the government can't take things from you without just compensation unless there's a very, very strong basis in law.

00:06:16.000 And with no victims, no harm, no damage, the idea of punishing somebody by taking away an iconic building like that would take the case to the Supreme Court.

00:06:26.000 And I think Trump would win in the Supreme Court.

00:06:28.000 Remember, though, the strategy is to get him down and dirty before the election, affect the election.

00:06:35.000 And then if it's reversed on appeal, who cares?

00:06:37.000 The election will be over.

00:06:38.000 Look, as you know, I'm a liberal Democrat.

00:06:40.000 I would like to see Trump defeated fair and square by the voters without the thumb of the weaponized criminal justice system on the scale of justice.

00:06:51.000 If that happens, hey, I'm satisfied.

00:06:53.000 But I don't want to see Trump lose unfairly.

00:06:56.000 I don't want to see a Democratic elected prosecutors like Bragg and James unlevel the playing field of the election.

00:07:07.000 Because that not only deprives Trump's of his right, it deprives you and me.

00:07:10.000 You want to vote for him.

00:07:12.000 I want to vote against him.

00:07:13.000 And we have a right to have that election based on our votes, not on some bureaucrat deciding that he's ineligible under the 14th Amendment or some elected prosecutor saying, I want to rerun for office on a Get Trump theory.

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00:08:42.000 We have Massey coming up next.

00:08:43.000 And send me freedom at charliekirk.com the questions you want me to ask Thomas Massey.

00:08:48.000 And Jim Jordan, Steve Scalise are running for speaker.

00:08:51.000 Steve Scalise is a moderate and you might say, oh, Charlie, come on, Scalise.

00:08:55.000 Steve Scalise backed Liz Cheney.

00:08:57.000 Okay, just so we're clear.

00:08:59.000 He backed Liz Cheney in Wyoming.

00:09:02.000 Jordan's a legit conservative.

00:09:04.000 I'm getting all these emails this morning.

00:09:06.000 We'll get to that, okay?

00:09:08.000 But there's a story here I want to focus on, and it's connected to what Professor Allen Dershowitz is talking about.

00:09:18.000 And it asks, it begs the question, what is the plan for the 2024 election?

00:09:24.000 What is the regime planning to do to try to prevent our voices from being heard, to try to hold on to political power?

00:09:36.000 Well, Merrick Garland was asked about investigations here.

00:09:40.000 He was asked about whether or not there was preferential treatment.

00:09:45.000 Listen to Merrick Garland play cut 12.

00:09:48.000 We do not have one rule for Republicans and another rule for Democrats.

00:09:52.000 We don't have one rule for foes and another for friends.

00:09:56.000 We don't have one rule for the powerful and another for the powerless, for the rich or for the poor.

00:10:02.000 This is obviously a lie.

00:10:03.000 One of the reasons why you are so upset with your Republican Party is that we have not done a crumb of work to hold unelected administrative bureaucrats like Merrick Garland, not just accountable, but to check and balance him.

00:10:20.000 The original structure of the U.S. Constitution was that the bureaucracies are not their own super shadow government.

00:10:28.000 We called this the 110-year war.

00:10:31.000 It was launched by Woodrow Wilson, and it was a siege on the American Constitution.

00:10:36.000 The bones of the Constitution have been eroded over the last century.

00:10:43.000 Woodrow Wilson famously said he wanted the American government to be immune from the pressures of politics.

00:10:52.000 That is code for he didn't want the people to be able to influence the science of politics.

00:11:03.000 This is where we actually get political science from.

00:11:05.000 Rule by the experts.

00:11:06.000 Woodrow Wilson was the first president to say that the founding fathers got it wrong, and it set us on a different path.

00:11:13.000 So Merrick Garland is able to lie with impunity because Merrick Garland and his technocracy technocrats, they philosophically believe that they are above the representatives of the people.

00:11:30.000 And this is exactly how we get a security state, otherwise known as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, that goes after the entire right-wing part of the country.

00:11:40.000 We're going to dedicate a whole hour to that next hour.

00:11:44.000 And the smugness, the pomposity.

00:11:47.000 But what's really going on here with the speaker election or the new speaker election is can we recommit ourselves to the form that the founders put forward in the United States Constitution.

00:12:02.000 If you were to get moderate Republicans and the entire Democrat Party in the room, they might disagree on, you know, abortion or marriage or some other stuff like that.

00:12:12.000 But do you know where they will agree?

00:12:15.000 They think that the system of checks and balances, independent judiciary, and consent of the governed is outdated.

00:12:23.000 They think now that we have Twitter and Facebook and cross-country flights and the internet, we need a government that is structured in a modern way.

00:12:35.000 And that's what's really at stake here.

00:12:38.000 Do we recommit ourselves to the roots of the greatest political document ever written?

00:12:44.000 And this is the theme here.

00:12:45.000 It's not right versus left.

00:12:47.000 It's liberty versus fascism.

00:12:49.000 It's elitism versus populism.

00:12:52.000 It's the will of the people or the will of the experts.

00:12:56.000 And we saw this play out in such high stakes with Anthony Fauci.

00:13:00.000 And Fauci was never held accountable because Fauci was part of that fourth branch of government, unelected, unknown amounts of power and unchecked.

00:13:10.000 And the speaker battle was just another iteration of the Republican base trying to say, why can't we have a constitutional reset, not have this administrative philosopher king community that can reign terror over the sovereign?

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00:14:57.000 Joining us now is Congressman Thomas Massey.

00:15:00.000 Congressman, thank you for joining the program.

00:15:03.000 Give us kind of a little bit of a summary of the last week, probably one of the more wild weeks you've ever had in Congress.

00:15:09.000 Tell us from your perspective.

00:15:10.000 Walk us through it.

00:15:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:13.000 Well, I guess it started Friday of last week when we did our last-ditch effort.

00:15:18.000 We had a CR that funded the government at 92%.

00:15:22.000 We had border security on that bill.

00:15:25.000 We had a debt commission and 21 Republicans took that one down, voted against it.

00:15:30.000 Of course, every Democrat voted against it.

00:15:32.000 And at that point, it felt like we were out of steam.

00:15:36.000 We couldn't get a bill to the floor because there were rebels who would take down the rule.

00:15:42.000 And so the Senate was going to jam us with a CR that had Ukraine on it.

00:15:48.000 And Kevin made a play call, decided to jam the Senate.

00:15:52.000 That's when the fire alarm went off, by the way, because the Democrats did, they wanted to buy more time.

00:15:58.000 So they made a motion to adjourn and voted with their paper voting cards instead of their electronic voting cards because they didn't expect Kevin McCarthy to pass the CR that didn't have Ukraine on it before the Senate.

00:16:11.000 could get one that did have Ukraine.

00:16:13.000 Now, a lot of us didn't vote for that particular CR, but it was far better than what the Senate was going to do to us.

00:16:20.000 And really, Kevin had no other options.

00:16:23.000 He couldn't get bills through the Rules Committee, which is a committee that I serve on, because people would take down the rule on the floor.

00:16:29.000 In other words, conservatives would vote against it.

00:16:32.000 So he made the best of a bad situation.

00:16:34.000 We got that.

00:16:36.000 The CR went over to the Senate.

00:16:38.000 They passed it.

00:16:39.000 It gives us 45 days.

00:16:40.000 Of course, now we're back under 40 days because on Sunday, you know, one of my colleagues who I have a lot of respect for, but don't really agree with what he did, went on Sunday show, said he's going to vacate the speaker.

00:16:54.000 We come back Monday, boom, he calls the motion.

00:16:58.000 And then Tuesday, we had the vote.

00:17:00.000 Thankfully, they didn't drag it out.

00:17:02.000 Kevin brought it right to the floor.

00:17:03.000 He could have kept it out there for a couple of days.

00:17:06.000 And eight people voted for the motion to vacate.

00:17:08.000 They only needed six.

00:17:09.000 So there was a margin there that showed it was pretty conclusive.

00:17:14.000 And now we don't have a speaker, and there's a scramble for power in the House.

00:17:18.000 So there's a lot to unpack here, Congressman, but our audience is largely in favor of what happened with the motion to vacate.

00:17:29.000 I want to just spend a little bit of time on here.

00:17:31.000 I know it's a little bit in the rearview mirror, but I think it's necessary.

00:17:34.000 What do you have to say about this idea that it's just one CR too many, that we should have just 12 appropriation bills, that we have a crisis of debt, a crisis of deficit, the border, and that the CR was just a broken promise?

00:17:50.000 How would you respond to that, Congressman?

00:17:52.000 Well, that's absolutely false.

00:17:54.000 And that's the big tragedy here is that the people who immediately got religion and were against any kind of CR, even a CR that cut government at 8%, they forget that the January deal with Kevin, which I helped negotiate, I was in the room, and this was actually my contribution to the deal, was a guarantee that if we didn't get the 12 bills done, if the Senate didn't take up our 12 bills, that we would put on the floor a CR that funded government at 98%.

00:18:22.000 That was the conservative position.

00:18:24.000 That was the rebel position in January, was that our fallback was going to be a CR at 98%.

00:18:31.000 And they totally moved the goalposts because then they got a religious objection to CRs and said they wouldn't even do one at 92% with a border security bill on it.

00:18:41.000 Which that part is either people have either forgotten what the January deal was.

00:18:48.000 I think that's probably it.

00:18:50.000 I don't think they're being disingenuous.

00:18:52.000 But if they do remember what the January deal was, they are being disingenuous.

00:18:56.000 And you could ask any of the people who were in the room, Chip Roy, Byron Dallas, Scott Perry, they were in the room negotiating that deal with Kevin in January with me.

00:19:06.000 So, Congressman, now, given who's running for speaker, it seems like it's going to be Jordan v. Scalise.

00:19:13.000 Who are you going to voice support for?

00:19:15.000 Who do you think is able to win the votes necessary on a floor vote and also unite the conference so that we can get back to fiscal discipline, reigning in Jack Smith, all the things that I know you believe in?

00:19:27.000 Who are you going to support?

00:19:29.000 I am squarely 100% behind Jim Jordan.

00:19:33.000 He would be the speaker that I have dreamed of having.

00:19:38.000 He's been really excellent on the judiciary committee, and he used to chair the oversight committee, and I served on the oversight committee with him.

00:19:46.000 Now I serve on the judiciary committee with him.

00:19:49.000 His skills as a coach in the past have carried over.

00:19:55.000 He's really good at rallying people.

00:19:58.000 He's a fighter.

00:20:00.000 He tells it like it is.

00:20:01.000 He's a great communicator.

00:20:03.000 And I just really don't think he could. be easily vacated by anybody because he's a strong personality as well and unites the group of the conference.

00:20:15.000 So eventually there is this debate that's going to happen between Jordan and Scalise on Monday.

00:20:22.000 Can you just fill us in a little bit of the anger that the caucus has been feeling?

00:20:29.000 We talk about how it's going to come to blows or it almost came to blows.

00:20:32.000 How visceral or real is it?

00:20:34.000 Walk us through that.

00:20:36.000 Well, I've witnessed people dropping F-bombs and calling each other names in our GOP conference.

00:20:42.000 Now, that's behind closed doors and probably a good thing, but usually people calm down and come back the next day and apologize if they pop off like that.

00:20:53.000 The tempers have been high.

00:20:55.000 I just stay calm.

00:20:56.000 It doesn't do any good to get mad at anybody.

00:20:59.000 And everybody's trying to achieve the same thing.

00:21:02.000 We just may have different tactics and strategies.

00:21:06.000 Some people don't have strategies at times.

00:21:08.000 But I think what's going to be important, Charlie, is the speaker, each speaker candidate needs to bring with them not just the platitudes of apple pie and puppy dogs and baseball and whatever, American themes.

00:21:26.000 They need to bring with them a concrete plan for funding the government in a conservative way in the next 90 days, because the last thing I want is the Schumer-McConnell special that we typically get in December.

00:21:43.000 And, you know, after we've delayed twice, that cannot happen.

00:21:48.000 If somebody is a speaker and that is the outcome, then even if it's my favorite candidate, Jim Jordan, then that would be a failure.

00:21:56.000 But Jim Jordan has a plan to get us past that.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, so part of the audience is saying, you know, we've seen they were disappointed in the debt ceiling and that the CR was not exactly what we wanted.

00:22:08.000 What do you think Jim Jordan's strategy will be to ensure that we don't have the Christmas multi-trillion dollar boondoggle, right?

00:22:17.000 Where, oh, it's December 22nd.

00:22:20.000 We have to get our people home.

00:22:22.000 How much graft can we fit into a 3,000-page bill in six hours or less?

00:22:27.000 And we know that's where we're barreling towards that, right?

00:22:29.000 That this 45-day CR that was passed last weekend, I don't think should be celebrated because it only increases the likelihood of a holiday out, which I've seen for over a decade.

00:22:40.000 So what strategically do you think that Congressman Jordan can present if he's Speaker of the House or whoever becomes Speaker of the House to use leverage so that we do not have that and we can actually cut spending and trim our deficit?

00:22:54.000 Well, there's a dynamic in our conference that if you're on Twitter or if you're watching Fox News, you just can't conceive of because there are 222 Republicans.

00:23:05.000 Most of your listeners would be hard pressed to name more than 40 of them.

00:23:09.000 And so there are about 180 you never see.

00:23:11.000 And they're conservatives, but they're not on TV.

00:23:14.000 And then there are some moderates.

00:23:16.000 And what you have to do is keep the whole conference together when you get to these impasse, like an impending shutdown.

00:23:22.000 And we have probably a dozen members who will not do a shutdown under any situation.

00:23:28.000 They will join with the Democrats and do a discharge petition.

00:23:33.000 So you've got to keep those people on board.

00:23:36.000 I think what I would do, I can't speak for Jim Jordan, but there's a provision in that debt limit deal that I got inserted in there whereby there's a 1% sequester, an automatic cut.

00:23:49.000 It's triggered in January.

00:23:50.000 It takes effect in the spring, but it applies retroactively from October 1st forward.

00:23:57.000 All of government gets cut 1% if we don't get the 12 bills done.

00:24:02.000 And that was a provision that I got in the debt limit deal.

00:24:05.000 Kevin's gone, but that provision is still in there because Joe Biden signed it into law.

00:24:10.000 And I think the smart play would be instead of setting ourselves up for another shutdown debacle where so many of our conference bulks, and I have sympathy for them, they're in a lot tougher districts to win than I'm in.

00:24:25.000 We got to figure out how to keep them together.

00:24:27.000 So instead of having a shutdown cliff, we should have a sequester cliff.

00:24:32.000 So instead of shutting down all the government, you carve it back 1%.

00:24:36.000 And you could do that as many times as you want, but there's one of those already signed into law that triggers in January.

00:24:42.000 And that would be motivation for people to come to the table and do the 12 bills without doing unnatural things because they're panicked due to a shutdown.

00:24:51.000 Really quick, is that 1% in the cut in the growth of spending, or is that an actual 1% structural cut in spending?

00:24:58.000 So is that like a cut in the rate of growth or an actual cut?

00:25:02.000 Actual cut to the actual number last year.

00:25:06.000 If you want to use Swamp Math, it's probably like a 6% cut.

00:25:09.000 But if you use Charlie Kirk Thomas Massey math, it's 1%.

00:25:14.000 It's an honest to goodness 1%.

00:25:16.000 I think that's what's important is that the budget automatically increases at the rate of inflation, which now is 6% to 7% based on normal numbers.

00:25:25.000 So if you quote unquote cut, sometimes they call it a cut.

00:25:28.000 This is baseline budgeting, but you're not even cutting.

00:25:30.000 You're cutting the rate of growth.

00:25:31.000 We need actual and serious cuts.

00:25:35.000 Hey, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:26:48.000 Congressman, some of your colleagues are calling for the expulsion of Matt Gates from the Republican conference.

00:26:54.000 In fact, some people are saying we need to kick him out of Congress.

00:26:58.000 Where do you stand on that?

00:27:01.000 Would you be in support of kicking Matt Gates out of the Republican conference?

00:27:05.000 No, I think it's a terrible idea.

00:27:08.000 And kicking him out of Congress would take our majority down by one as well.

00:27:13.000 I would not kick him out.

00:27:15.000 I wouldn't even kick him off his committees, but that's just me.

00:27:19.000 And if there's a vote, I'll vote to keep Matt Gates where he's at.

00:27:22.000 So the second question is now that the new deal is basically being put forward and we're kind of redoing January.

00:27:29.000 Do you think it's time to get rid of the one vote motion to vacate if Jim Jordan becomes Speaker?

00:27:36.000 Congresswoman Lauren Boebert has said, I'm willing to concede on one vote motion to vacate, get rid of that because she trusts Jim Jordan.

00:27:46.000 Is it maybe that, hey, Jim Jordan, we trust you, so we're going to make it three or maybe five?

00:27:50.000 Not get rid of motion to vacate, but increase it away from one?

00:27:54.000 Congressman Massey is someone who led the charge to try to vacate and remove John Boehner.

00:27:59.000 Walk us through this.

00:28:01.000 You know, you know, when I actually co-wrote the motion to vacate John Boehner with Mark Meadows, I printed it on my laser printer and took it to the House floor for him that day.

00:28:11.000 And I took one with my name on it in case he didn't do it.

00:28:14.000 So that's how close I was to that program.

00:28:17.000 We actually got five co-sponsors on that.

00:28:20.000 You can go back and look in the 114th Congress.

00:28:22.000 It's HRES 385.

00:28:25.000 And I think five is a reasonable number.

00:28:29.000 If you don't have five people, then one person shouldn't be able to start throwing everything into a Tizzy.

00:28:37.000 It should not be like Pelosi did it, where you had to get like chairman of committees and stuff.

00:28:44.000 I think, you know, when our founders put that in there, and it's in Jefferson's manual, they really didn't anticipate the sort of bifurcation of the party system and that you would have to get every vote from your party in order to remain speaker.

00:29:00.000 I think when they were drawing it all up, they sort of thought there would be multiple parties or maybe one group of people that all got along.

00:29:08.000 And it seemed reasonable that you should have to at all times have a support of at least half of the conference in order to remain speaker.

00:29:15.000 But now times have changed and you automatically lose the support of the other party because the speaker has evolved.

00:29:22.000 The job isn't what it used to be.

00:29:24.000 The unfortunate part is the speaker's job right now is fundraiser in chief for the majority party.

00:29:30.000 I would love to see that decoupled because that's why the Democrats piled on against Kevin.

00:29:35.000 Of course, he didn't make any deal, but you might have thought it might have been in their interest to keep Kevin.

00:29:40.000 But ultimately, because he was our biggest fundraiser, they decided, no, we'll take him out.

00:29:44.000 So just kind of in closing here, it seems that this could go on for a long period of time.

00:29:50.000 Congressman, do you think this will be settled a week from today?

00:29:54.000 On October 13th, do you think there will be a speaker of the House?

00:29:58.000 Whew, that's a crystal ball I don't have.

00:30:03.000 I don't think it's going to pass on the first round.

00:30:05.000 I think people are going to want to get it out of their system.

00:30:08.000 I think there'll be some discontent with whoever the conference choice is.

00:30:13.000 But hopefully we converge quickly.

00:30:15.000 And I think people have a desire to get together and move on.

00:30:20.000 And I think the eight who vacated Speaker McCarthy are in front of their skis, and they really don't have much latitude to turn down the next speaker because they said anything's better than Kevin McCarthy when they vacated him.

00:30:32.000 So now we'll test that and see if they really believe it.

00:30:35.000 Congressman Massey, thank you for your time today.

00:30:37.000 Appreciate it.

00:30:38.000 Thank you.

00:30:39.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 06, 2023

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