The Charlie Kirk Show - November 09, 2026


No Amnesty! + When Is A Joke Too Far?

Hold Firm and Fight On: Charlie after the 2022 Midterms

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00:01:17.000 Whoa, what a weekend!
00:01:19.000 What a weekend it was.
00:01:20.000 Lots of news being made over the weekend, and we're going to get to all of it.
00:01:24.000 We have a jam packed show.
00:01:25.000 I'm Andrew Colva, joined by Blake Neff.
00:01:27.000 We're live in Phoenix, Arizona, from the Y Refi studios.
00:01:32.000 Okay, I'm just going to list out some of the things that are on my mind this morning.
00:01:37.000 And we're going to start with what I think are the two actually most important for the country.
00:01:40.000 There's so much juicy stuff.
00:01:43.000 Amnesty talk.
00:01:45.000 That happened.
00:01:46.000 Okay.
00:01:46.000 President Trump had an interview with 60 Minutes.
00:01:49.000 Jensen Wong, the CEO of Nvidia, one of the most important geopolitical firms on the planet, obviously, because they make the chips that make AI work.
00:02:00.000 And it's a massive, massive national security risk.
00:02:03.000 He apparently was in an affair with a Chinese spy.
00:02:06.000 So that's something that's going on.
00:02:08.000 Dave Chappelle mocking Charlie's death.
00:02:11.000 Jennifer Welch and the, I don't know, what's her name?
00:02:14.000 Angie Sullivan, I guess is her co host name. 0.97
00:02:17.000 Also mocking Charlie's death and a massive sponsor boycott of that program.
00:02:23.000 Scott Galloway is, we now call him affectionately the carcrapper.
00:02:28.000 Carcrapper.
00:02:28.000 Carcrapper, Scott Galloway.
00:02:32.000 And he's also calling for the execution of Elon.
00:02:38.000 So much going on.
00:02:39.000 And the trial date for Tyler Robinson's case is set today, and that's at one o'clock Mountain Time.
00:02:47.000 So that will not happen during our show, but we will be covering that tomorrow, obviously.
00:02:53.000 On top of that, Thomas Massey is apparently going to file articles of impeachment today against Pete Hegseth, Secretary of War.
00:03:02.000 Democrats are going crazy.
00:03:03.000 All hell's breaking loose. 0.93
00:03:05.000 Dogs and cats living together.
00:03:07.000 And we're going to cover it all.
00:03:08.000 But we got to get into this amnesty.
00:03:11.000 Story as the first place we start.
00:03:14.000 I'm going to play the clip that President Trump had, and then we'll explain what we think is really going on here, SOT 7.
00:03:20.000 So, do you think immigration hurt you in the midterms?
00:03:23.000 Do you think the crackdown hurt you?
00:03:25.000 I think it both helped and hurt. 0.79
00:03:26.000 I get hurt because we also took people that had good jobs that created one violation or breaking of the law, and that was that they came into the country illegally.
00:03:38.000 Now, there is a large part of the country that thinks that they should be put out.
00:03:43.000 And there's a large part of the country that thinks that they should be allowed to stay if they're good people working in a landscaping company or working in a hotel or doing something, right?
00:03:53.000 And in some cases, paying taxes.
00:03:56.000 And there's a large group of people who think that they should be allowed to stay.
00:03:59.000 So, you think your deportation policy went too far?
00:04:02.000 It was too tough.
00:04:03.000 I think it might be too tough, yeah.
00:04:05.000 So, there's a lot of back and forth on this.
00:04:08.000 This is, of course, this actually apparently was recorded just minutes before he turned around and made Stephen Miller, the architect of deportations, his chief of staff.
00:04:15.000 We're being told this was in the morning, 10, 10 30.
00:04:18.000 And then at 1 30, Stephen Miller was appointed.
00:04:21.000 So, you don't want to overreact to this.
00:04:24.000 But at the same time, understandably, there's a lot of concern about this.
00:04:28.000 If you look at the polls, among people whose biggest concern.
00:04:32.000 Was immigration policy in the midterms?
00:04:34.000 They actually voted decisively for Republicans.
00:04:38.000 It was on every other issue that people were dissatisfied.
00:04:41.000 Immigration was not polling at the top of what people were worried about in the election overall.
00:04:46.000 The people who were voting Democrat were saying cost of living concerns.
00:04:50.000 They were saying the war.
00:04:52.000 They were saying government corruption.
00:04:54.000 They were not citing the immigration crackdown.
00:04:56.000 And that's notably in contrast to 2018, for example, where the left did make immigration a big issue and it did seem to hurt the president superficially.
00:05:05.000 Not the case this time.
00:05:07.000 So, we want to set the stage with that, but then I think there's a lot of concern that there's probably people trying to get into the president's ear who are saying, Mr. President, it wasn't the war, it wasn't this other stuff, it was just the immigration stuff.
00:05:21.000 It went a little too hard.
00:05:23.000 And if you just dial it back, actually, it'll be really popular.
00:05:26.000 How come I have this sneaking suspicion that the same people that encouraged him to bomb the hell out of Iran are now encouraging him to pass mass amnesty?
00:05:36.000 It's like the revenge.
00:05:37.000 Of the Bush era conservatives.
00:05:39.000 And I wouldn't even call them conservatives, actually.
00:05:41.000 Charlie, I think, had a really good pulse on this because obviously Charlie was talking with donor class all the time.
00:05:47.000 He was talking with grassroots.
00:05:48.000 So he was that conduit, right?
00:05:51.000 Listen to Charlie in July of 2025.
00:05:54.000 This is prescient now.
00:05:55.000 Sot 6.
00:05:57.000 I got a couple phone calls from people that you would call members of the ruling class.
00:06:02.000 There is a movement afoot as I am doing this broadcast.
00:06:05.000 It is happening right now in Washington, D.C.
00:06:08.000 And I can say this from firsthand experience.
00:06:11.000 That people are pushing President Trump for amnesty.
00:06:15.000 They are pushing him for mass legalization of illegals.
00:06:19.000 And he had another, he was also tweeting about this around the same time, has a great one, throw up 139.
00:06:24.000 And he was tweeting in opposition to this operation by those ruling elites.
00:06:28.000 There is no other issue the conservative base feels more passionately about than immigration.
00:06:33.000 In just a few decades, everyday Americans have watched their country transform into a nation of strangers.
00:06:39.000 We must deliver mass deportations, not amnesty.
00:06:44.000 Even President Trump.
00:06:45.000 Understood this.
00:06:46.000 We've got a great Trump tweet from the archive.
00:06:48.000 There's a tweet about everything.
00:06:49.000 This is 2013, two years before he even descended the escalator.
00:06:53.000 Amnesty is suicide for Republicans.
00:06:55.000 Not one of those 12 million who broke our laws will vote Republican.
00:07:00.000 Obama is laughing at the GOP.
00:07:03.000 And he would be laughing even harder now because we know there was a Biden wave.
00:07:07.000 There's millions of extra people they let in.
00:07:10.000 And they'll try to trick the president.
00:07:11.000 They'll say something like, it'll only be for people here 10 years or 15 years.
00:07:16.000 But what's the line that they all love to call illegals?
00:07:18.000 They love to call them undocumented.
00:07:20.000 You know what will definitely not be documented? 0.65
00:07:23.000 The exact day they arrived.
00:07:24.000 They might say, oh, I got a license from California in 2021.
00:07:28.000 But actually, I've been here since 2010.
00:07:31.000 And I've been here since 2005.
00:07:32.000 How come you don't speak English?
00:07:34.000 Well, because I just. 0.99
00:07:35.000 Racist country.
00:07:36.000 It was too racist for me to learn it.
00:07:38.000 Or there will be a federal judge who will say, oh, you need to extend it in these cases.
00:07:42.000 If one person in their family qualified, they all need to qualify.
00:07:46.000 You just know this is how it will happen.
00:07:48.000 And the reason we know this is they've done this before.
00:07:50.000 The Reagan farm worker amnesty.
00:07:52.000 In the 1980s, it was supposed to be limited to a small group of people, and it ended up being many multiples.
00:07:58.000 By the way, Blake, do you know when the amnesty was passed?
00:08:02.000 Or, like, when the.
00:08:02.000 Was it in his final two years?
00:08:04.000 It was right after, yes, it was right after getting a little bit of a midterm shellacking himself.
00:08:10.000 So, that is a bad trend.
00:08:14.000 Here's the silver lining.
00:08:16.000 Now, I'm not saying this is going to happen.
00:08:19.000 No hopium here.
00:08:20.000 But I do believe that Stephen Miller is going to be a massively, massively positive.
00:08:26.000 Force when it comes to immigration in this administration.
00:08:29.000 And I know that he is laser focused on restoring the sovereignty of this country.
00:08:36.000 So if President Trump's instincts or if other aides are pushing him this way, Stephen Miller is going to push him the other way.
00:08:43.000 That's one thing.
00:08:44.000 And this, you know, President Trump has actually said no amnesty for years.
00:08:48.000 So the other reading of this clip is that President Trump is trying to soften the rhetoric because maybe it is a little bit of a liability.
00:08:58.000 When it came to some of the raids and things like that politically, not for the base, but for independence and things like that, which you need to win to win a popular vote, okay?
00:09:07.000 What we need to do is start focusing on the financial systems.
00:09:10.000 If you aren't illegal here and you're using our banks and you're using social securities, we need to make it almost impossible for you to stay so that they want to push that orange button that Secretary Mullen says is on all the iPads.
00:09:24.000 President Trump, if President Trump wants to be nicer with rhetoric, okay.
00:09:28.000 But we talked about how.
00:09:29.000 Whatever people say, he is a promise keeper and he promised deportations and no amnesty.
00:09:34.000 He did.
00:09:34.000 I think he should hold to that.
00:09:36.000 We got a ton of emails.
00:09:38.000 So the amnesty thing you guys just exploded on instantly sent in a bunch.
00:09:42.000 I didn't click on it.
00:09:42.000 I knew this was going to happen.
00:09:43.000 Jacob says Blake and Andrew, please talk to your friends in the admin if Trump grants amnesty.
00:09:48.000 This will be the ultimate betrayal.
00:09:51.000 Michelle says, Gentlemen, Charlie would call Trump on critical issues to give him the voice of the people.
00:09:56.000 For example, the mass deportations you are speaking about now.
00:10:00.000 For the sake of our country, We still demand mass deportations.
00:10:03.000 We're for legal immigration, not illegal, full stop.
00:10:07.000 I mean, I'll just, I don't even know what to do. 0.93
00:10:09.000 I would do a moratorium on legal immigration. 1.00
00:10:11.000 100%. 1.00
00:10:11.000 Which they are. 1.00
00:10:12.000 I liken it to a Thanksgiving meal.
00:10:15.000 You've had a big, huge old meal, and now we need some time to digest it.
00:10:19.000 Got to digest it.
00:10:20.000 Cindy says, E verify is the law of the land.
00:10:22.000 Mandate that if your employer isn't E verified, you can't deduct anything from their wages. 0.99
00:10:26.000 Jobs for illegals would dry up. 0.99
00:10:29.000 Anthony says, I think Andrew's right about the clip from 2025.
00:10:32.000 I think the same people see an opening to get amnesty through.
00:10:36.000 Now, we should not stop deportations.
00:10:38.000 We just need to organize it better.
00:10:39.000 Or he's citing Ashley Moody said we might do that.
00:10:42.000 Christy says, Those who are coming to our country and doing it the right way should be allowed to stay.
00:10:46.000 Those who are breaking our laws, no.
00:10:48.000 We have laws.
00:10:49.000 We must enforce them.
00:10:52.000 Philip says, Good people with a good job. 0.99
00:10:54.000 Those good jobs belong to Americans, not foreigners.
00:10:57.000 There are billions of good people in the world. 1.00
00:11:00.000 We shouldn't let them all in.
00:11:02.000 Amen.
00:11:03.000 And then Cecily says, No amnesty.
00:11:06.000 Yeah.
00:11:06.000 And no data centers.
00:11:07.000 No data.
00:11:08.000 Actually, she says no amnesty and then data centers.
00:11:11.000 So maybe it's both.
00:11:12.000 Maybe yes to the same.
00:11:12.000 You know what's interesting about data centers?
00:11:14.000 Just a small aside.
00:11:15.000 There was polling that came out that if the data centers shared the wealth, meaning they could help lower taxes, property taxes, maybe lower your utility rates, that they went from a negative 41 approval rating to plus 15.
00:11:31.000 And by the way, Elon Musk kind of thinks that the anti data center thing is going to blow over.
00:11:35.000 We'll see.
00:11:37.000 It definitely has elements of hysteria to it.
00:11:40.000 What's interesting is they do say that, oh, if they abate property taxes or whatever, people would support it.
00:11:45.000 In practice, in towns, they've blown up.
00:11:47.000 Did you see that SpaceX video where they're like offering these huge array of benefits and everyone's just losing their minds?
00:11:53.000 I don't know.
00:11:54.000 We'll see.
00:11:54.000 We'll see.
00:11:55.000 Yeah, I'm sort of like whatever the people want, but we can't be psyop by China either because they're just going to own all the data centers. 0.98
00:12:01.000 So we got to find a way through. 0.93
00:12:02.000 And by the way, you know, I do think eventually most of the data center processing power is going to be in space.
00:12:09.000 So we'll see if SpaceX can do that.
00:12:11.000 I think a winning way to do it, I think we've got those Trump accounts.
00:12:14.000 What if Trump just, what if we made a big case, every AI related company?
00:12:18.000 You basically have shares of it going into people's Trump accounts or some sort of sovereign wealth fund, and you just strongly encourage them to be dividend paying companies.
00:12:27.000 And then it's like everyone's getting a dividend from America's AI companies every month.
00:12:30.000 Yeah.
00:12:31.000 Well, we'll see what happens.
00:12:32.000 We'll see what happens.
00:12:33.000 It's not my number one issue, but I understand a lot of you feel passionate about it.
00:12:37.000 Listen, here's the deal Amnesty, it's a non starter, okay? 0.66
00:12:41.000 And we got to wrap up the Iran war. 1.00
00:12:44.000 That's all very, very true. 0.97
00:12:45.000 I want to take your attention, though, really quickly.
00:12:48.000 And by the way, to the one email that says Charlie used to tell the president what the base was thinking, I. I'll just be super blunt.
00:12:54.000 I've sent all of this, all of my thoughts to Steven and Katie Miller and myself.
00:12:59.000 Whether they listen to them or not, I don't know.
00:13:00.000 But I can almost guarantee you they're already very aware of the base's reaction.
00:13:06.000 So, this other story that we're not going to have a whole lot of time to get to, but it's really, really important.
00:13:13.000 And then we're going to get into all the cultural stuff.
00:13:15.000 Okay.
00:13:15.000 But this is really important about AI as well.
00:13:18.000 And this is Jensen Wang.
00:13:19.000 He's the CEO of NVIDIA.
00:13:24.000 He has apologized to.
00:13:27.000 Everybody at his company, mass email, for going outside of his marriage, having an affair with what turns out to be a Chinese spy.
00:13:35.000 Now, we are told that he didn't know she was a Chinese spy.
00:13:40.000 And, you know, Danny, you need to pull the image.
00:13:43.000 I feel like he could have paid someone to find that one out.
00:13:45.000 Yeah.
00:13:46.000 He might have been able to use his brain. 1.00
00:13:48.000 If you see this gal.
00:13:51.000 I think that image was AI generated, actually.
00:13:53.000 I think there's multiple images.
00:13:55.000 Okay, maybe.
00:13:55.000 Maybe I'll, you know, this is an AI story.
00:13:58.000 Maybe this was AI.
00:14:01.000 But he's had a longtime wife, you know, a very sweet looking lady, older and that sort of thing.
00:14:09.000 And then, lo and behold, he gets this really, you know, young Chinese girl, has an affair.
00:14:18.000 Why is this important? 0.69
00:14:19.000 He then gives this Chinese gal a $2 billion contract to move chips.
00:14:25.000 And if you know anything about the AI world, getting access to chips is like, it's very hard.
00:14:30.000 The NVIDIA's orders are basically.
00:14:33.000 Like dated out 10 years ago.
00:14:35.000 If you've noticed that a new computer costs twice what it used to, that's why.
00:14:38.000 It's because of the chips.
00:14:40.000 It's very, very hard to get chips. 1.00
00:14:41.000 This gal gets a $2 billion contract out of nowhere to move chips.
00:14:46.000 Also, why this is important there is a lot of speculation around Jensen Wang because I do believe he's Taiwanese born, but he's American.
00:14:58.000 And he is at the intersection of the most critical resource when it comes to the AI race.
00:15:06.000 And that's chips.
00:15:07.000 And he has been lobbying Washington, D.C. to allow him to sell chips to China.
00:15:13.000 Big advanced chips.
00:15:15.000 What's that?
00:15:15.000 Pretty advanced chips.
00:15:16.000 Pretty advanced chips.
00:15:17.000 Now, the sales pitch was that these are going to be a couple generations old, still very advanced, and they're going to be slightly degraded or somewhat degraded. 0.78
00:15:24.000 Do you think his Chinese girlfriend maybe gave him those talking points? 0.94
00:15:28.000 This is all the question.
00:15:29.000 Okay.
00:15:29.000 Yeah.
00:15:30.000 So this is the gal that he apparently had an affair with, pictured right there.
00:15:37.000 Within the Intel community about this situation for a while.
00:15:42.000 And the fact that it was very odd that this young woman got a $2 billion contract to sell NVIDIA chips.
00:15:49.000 So that's the question.
00:15:51.000 And I'd love to hear your guys' response.
00:15:53.000 There's a lot of people within the tech industry that are standing behind Jensen Huang.
00:15:59.000 I know that for our Real America's Voice audience, you've been hearing Steve Bannon.
00:16:02.000 Steve Bannon is convinced that Jensen Huang is playing both sides.
00:16:07.000 And I think there is a serious reason to investigate this further.
00:16:12.000 Because there is no other industry that is this critically important to the future of the AI race than computing power and chips.
00:16:20.000 And so China would love nothing more than to get their hands on the most advanced chips to defeat the West when it comes to the AI race.
00:16:27.000 And you've already got DeepSea and all this stuff.
00:16:30.000 It's a very, very troubling story.
00:16:33.000 It's a huge, huge story.
00:16:35.000 And don't let it get missed in the midst of Jennifer Welch boycotts, sponsorship boycotts, or Dave Chappelle.
00:16:41.000 All of that stuff is critically important to the spiritual health and the moral health of our nation.
00:16:46.000 But this is really critically important to the national security of our nation.
00:16:52.000 So I would love to hear your thoughts.
00:16:53.000 Is he a good guy?
00:16:54.000 Is he on team red, white, and blue?
00:16:57.000 Or is he on team CCP?
00:16:59.000 Is he playing both sides?
00:17:01.000 Is he just an entrepreneur that wants to maximize profits for his shareholders?
00:17:06.000 I think these are all fair questions, and I'm open to watching this story go on.
00:17:11.000 I would be very, very sad and disappointed to find out if Jensen Wang was actually an agent of the CCP.
00:17:17.000 But he says he didn't know.
00:17:19.000 People like Elon Musk and others in the tech world are standing behind him, saying he was duped, that it was an unknowing moral failure, but not a national security breach, at least knowingly.
00:17:29.000 So we'll see where that plays out.
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00:18:36.000 We have the one, the only, Frank Turek.
00:18:38.000 Welcome back, my friend.
00:18:39.000 It's so good to see you.
00:18:41.000 And thanks for making time for us today.
00:18:43.000 Andrew and Blake, always good to see you.
00:18:44.000 How are you guys doing?
00:18:46.000 Well, you know, go ahead.
00:18:48.000 I mean, let's be real.
00:18:50.000 Events of the past week have been tough, both.
00:18:53.000 Electorally, and obviously with the personal attacks on Charlie that we saw.
00:18:58.000 But I think a lot about honestly what Charlie would tell us.
00:19:01.000 Like, we have to also be focused on things eternal.
00:19:04.000 The most important things in our life are not politics.
00:19:08.000 It is not whether you win or lose an election is important for your country, but it is not what will decide the fate of your immortal soul.
00:19:14.000 Yeah, I sort of have like a whole different thing that I'm wrestling through in my mind.
00:19:19.000 And I'm not trying to make any of this about Israel, candidly.
00:19:21.000 I literally could.
00:19:23.000 Want to talk about no subject less, but it reminds me of after October 7th, how the world turns on Israel, right? 0.65
00:19:30.000 You could argue some of that was justified, but it was instant, okay?
00:19:34.000 And I'm not saying any of it was justified, I'm just saying that's a whole, that's the debate I don't want to get into, but it was instant.
00:19:39.000 Like within hours, people were protesting on college campuses.
00:19:44.000 And it does strike me as a parallel because you see what happens to Charlie.
00:19:49.000 Horrible, horrific murder.
00:19:51.000 Everybody's seen the video.
00:19:52.000 I hate it.
00:19:54.000 It still is galling to me. 0.85
00:19:55.000 And yet, 14 months after, he's still getting pot shots from nasty people.
00:20:02.000 What is that?
00:20:04.000 Frank Tour.
00:20:05.000 I think it could only be demonic, just to be honest about this, because. 0.98
00:20:11.000 Look, Jesus and the apostles called Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. 0.90
00:20:18.000 We had a murder 14 months ago. 0.93
00:20:21.000 What have we had since?
00:20:22.000 Lies, accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. 0.94
00:20:26.000 And now you got Dave Chappelle, who, by the way, I don't know if you know this, but he claims to be a Muslim, coming out at Madison Square Garden the other night saying, I feel better that Charlie Kirk has been murdered. 0.94
00:20:35.000 He said, I know I shouldn't say that, but I am going to say it.
00:20:39.000 You know, I wonder how he would feel if he was there like Blake and I were.
00:20:43.000 And actually saw Charlie Kirk murdered.
00:20:46.000 Or I wonder how he'd feel if he saw a friend of his murdered, like Blake and I saw Charlie murdered.
00:20:51.000 I wonder how he'd feel.
00:20:53.000 You know, in reality, the issue here is that Christianity, Jesus tells us to love our enemies.
00:21:01.000 Now, obviously, if they're enemies, they don't agree with us.
00:21:04.000 Obviously, if they're enemies, we probably don't feel good about them.
00:21:07.000 But we're commanded to love our enemies, which means we seek what's best for them according to the will of God.
00:21:12.000 Not my will, not your will, but his will.
00:21:15.000 And that's the difference between Christianity and every other worldview.
00:21:19.000 The worldview that animates the left, whether it's atheism, whether it's Marxism, whether it's Islam now, none of those worldviews tell you to love your enemy.
00:21:28.000 None of those worldviews tell you to seek what's best for the other person. 0.61
00:21:31.000 None of those worldviews have the kind of moral commands that are imposed upon them that are imposed upon Christians.
00:21:39.000 And so if you want to see what Christianity is all about, just go back to Erica 14 months ago standing in front of.
00:21:46.000 Hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people watching online, and she forgives the murderer of her husband.
00:21:54.000 That's Christianity.
00:21:55.000 You don't see that in these other worldviews.
00:21:58.000 Yeah, and I want to be clear on the Dave Chappelle thing because there's two other stories here I think that are relevant.
00:22:06.000 And that's the Jennifer Welch one where they're giggling at exhuming Charlie's body and shooting him again, which is just, and then they can't stop laughing.
00:22:17.000 And then There's the Scott Galloway clip where he wants to execute Elon Musk, calls him a traitor to the West.
00:22:26.000 And then you see the polling of the political violence problem.
00:22:29.000 I just want to be very clear when it comes to comics, and we're going to have a whole conversation about this next hour.
00:22:34.000 But just while we're on the topic, I give comics a wide berth, a very wide berth.
00:22:41.000 I do not get outraged by comics.
00:22:44.000 I refuse to.
00:22:45.000 As a matter of fact, I think it would be this is a setup.
00:22:48.000 They want us.
00:22:50.000 To fall into this trap for 10 years, the left has been clutching their pearls about everything Shane Gillis says or any of these comics.
00:22:59.000 And listen, I think comics actually have a really powerful role in society, they can reveal truth, they can critique culture, they enrage both sides.
00:23:08.000 Yep, I just think at some point there is a line, and the line is like, don't advocate for you know murder, don't glorify political violence, don't you know say you feel better when somebody has murdered.
00:23:22.000 Okay.
00:23:24.000 You know, I think Dave Chappelle's critique is, in his mind, is some sort of tie in with George Floyd.
00:23:32.000 Okay, George Floyd, think of him and Dave Chappelle.
00:23:35.000 I can think of a few differences.
00:23:36.000 There were quite a few differences between the two men.
00:23:38.000 Okay.
00:23:39.000 One was resisting arrest, has a history of drug use, you know, did some, I don't know, held a gun up to a pregnant woman.
00:23:47.000 I don't even care about any of that stuff.
00:23:49.000 The bottom line is, Charlie was an innocent man, a God fearing man, a obviously a titan of his generation, a titan of at least half the country, if not more, an icon for Gen Z.
00:24:03.000 And he's innocent in this.
00:24:05.000 He was.
00:24:06.000 Just doing what the country allows you to do, which is debate ideas freely in the public square.
00:24:12.000 So, regardless of comparing and contrasting, they're nothing alike.
00:24:16.000 To say you feel better when somebody is cut down at 31 years old by an assassin's bullet is a really, really harsh thing to say.
00:24:24.000 But I'm not going to, I refuse to be outraged by it.
00:24:27.000 My, my, hey, go ahead.
00:24:29.000 Yes, please.
00:24:30.000 No, I was going to say, Andrew, he has a right to say it.
00:24:31.000 I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to say it.
00:24:34.000 What I am saying, though, is we have a right to criticize it.
00:24:37.000 And say that it's wrong.
00:24:39.000 He has a moral right to say what he said, but it's not everything you say is moral and not everything you say doesn't have consequences.
00:24:48.000 Certainly, with the Welch situation, she is not entitled to have sponsors.
00:24:54.000 She's not entitled to have any sponsor.
00:24:56.000 And so, if a sponsor like Cash App says, hey, I can't support this, and they pull out, she has no right to say, well, that's wrong.
00:25:02.000 You can't do that.
00:25:04.000 No, when you sponsor a program like Patriot Mobile sponsors the Charlie Kirk show, If they decide that they don't want to sponsor it anymore, Charlie Kirk's show doesn't have a right to have that as a sponsor.
00:25:17.000 So I don't want to cancel people by saying you don't have a right to say what you say.
00:25:22.000 You do have a right to say with it, but that doesn't mean it's moral what you say, and it doesn't mean there aren't financial consequences when you say it.
00:25:29.000 Yeah, well, I agree.
00:25:31.000 And they can fight back.
00:25:33.000 I just want to be very clear about this as well.
00:25:35.000 I was not, they made an accusation that I was coordinating this boycott.
00:25:40.000 I'll play the clip, actually.
00:25:41.000 Here we go.
00:25:42.000 Sot 16.
00:25:43.000 There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the babies over at Turning Point.
00:25:48.000 Why is Turning Point spearheading this?
00:25:50.000 They are in big trouble.
00:25:52.000 Even Republicans are starting to question are they worth it?
00:25:55.000 They're trying to ignite a war with us because they want to prove to their donors we can cancel libs.
00:26:02.000 This is the guy that leads the charge over at Turning Point.
00:26:04.000 And he says if they apologize for being part of a toxic and evil culture that perpetuates violence against conservatives, I might actually be willing to listen.
00:26:14.000 Andrew.
00:26:16.000 We're never, ever going to sit down and listen to you.
00:26:21.000 When we apologize for laughing at a joke on our podcast, that wasn't for you.
00:26:25.000 That was for us.
00:26:26.000 And that apology was so that when I advocate for common sense gun reform, I'm doing it clean and clear.
00:26:34.000 Real quick pro tip to Jennifer Welch apologies are for the people you hurt, they're not for you, unless you're a raging narcissist.
00:26:46.000 But my feeling there was actually sincere.
00:26:49.000 Frank, I said, listen, if they were actually apologizing, they gave this a totally insulting apology.
00:26:57.000 It wasn't an apology at all.
00:26:59.000 If they were apologizing for, you know, laughing at this and perpetuating a culture that they don't want to be a part of, I would have been like, okay, fine.
00:27:08.000 That's okay, fair enough.
00:27:10.000 Like, thank you for saying that.
00:27:12.000 It's all, this isn't hard.
00:27:14.000 I'm not asking them to be conservatives.
00:27:16.000 I'm not asking them to think right wing thoughts.
00:27:18.000 No, the real tell is what she said.
00:27:20.000 We're never going to talk to you, which is exactly the opposite of Charlie Kirk.
00:27:25.000 Charlie Kirk will talk to anyone.
00:27:27.000 That was his whole deal.
00:27:29.000 I will give you the microphone in the front of the line.
00:27:34.000 You come to the front of the line if you disagree.
00:27:36.000 Let's have a conversation.
00:27:37.000 The left doesn't want to have a conversation because their positions are built on feelings, not facts, in many cases.
00:27:45.000 In most cases, how can you argue with feelings?
00:27:47.000 You can't.
00:27:48.000 You got to argue with facts.
00:27:50.000 And Charlie brought the facts at the Charlie Kirk show.
00:27:53.000 You and Blake bring the facts.
00:27:55.000 They don't want to deal with facts, facts convict them.
00:27:58.000 They want to deal with feelings and outrage.
00:28:01.000 I'm open to talking to anyone.
00:28:03.000 You're open to talking to anyone.
00:28:04.000 You ought to invite them on the show.
00:28:06.000 Explain yourself.
00:28:07.000 They won't.
00:28:08.000 Because they don't have facts, they only have feelings. 1.00
00:28:10.000 They have very, I mean, I think everything she says, it screams to the world that she has an extremely ugly soul. 1.00
00:28:18.000 She is a repulsive person. 0.97
00:28:19.000 Many people are saying, many people are saying. 0.97
00:28:21.000 Imagine having to like have a Thanksgiving dinner with her.
00:28:25.000 You know, so they're alleging, by the way, Frank, that I coordinated this, that I coordinated some big boycott.
00:28:33.000 I didn't.
00:28:35.000 I didn't contact a single brand.
00:28:38.000 I didn't drop into customer service.
00:28:40.000 I didn't send an email, a phone call, a tweet, none of that.
00:28:43.000 All I did was post when the companies had severed ties with her.
00:28:49.000 Because I have no problem with companies exercising their First Amendment right.
00:28:53.000 But I didn't coordinate any.
00:28:54.000 This is an organic, grassroots movement, the people of America.
00:28:58.000 And I think it's because, one, they were legitimately repulsed by what they saw, two, they'd had enough.
00:29:07.000 14 months later, and this just keeps happening over and over and over, and people have finally had enough.
00:29:14.000 And they wanted to do something about it.
00:29:16.000 They wanted to take an actionable step.
00:29:18.000 So maybe that's a good thing.
00:29:22.000 Here's my question for you. 1.00
00:29:24.000 I have a problem with sewing circle Christians that don't want to get their hands dirty, that don't want to get into the scrum. 1.00
00:29:30.000 I get it. 1.00
00:29:31.000 I don't want to have to fight, I don't want to have to argue with people.
00:29:35.000 But maybe talk about that, Frank.
00:29:37.000 What is the obligation of a Christian in this? 0.77
00:29:40.000 When we talk about moral decay, Erica's comments after the Dave Chappelle thing, what is the responsibility of the Christian right now? 0.89
00:29:48.000 Whether they have an expert account, whether they have any sphere of influence they have.
00:29:53.000 We're supposed to be salt and light.
00:29:54.000 That's a command.
00:29:55.000 That's not a suggestion.
00:29:57.000 We're supposed to demolish arguments and take every thought captive to Christ.
00:30:00.000 That's a command, not a suggestion.
00:30:02.000 We're supposed to be bold and courageous.
00:30:04.000 That's not a command, or that's a command, not a suggestion.
00:30:07.000 You know, Charlie always said that courage was the first of all attributes because without it, you won't do anything else.
00:30:13.000 And it doesn't take any skill.
00:30:15.000 All you have to do is do it.
00:30:16.000 And the more people that actually stand up, It encourages other people to stand up, and so few people are doing it.
00:30:25.000 Let's just take voting.
00:30:27.000 You don't even have to know that you voted or who you voted for.
00:30:30.000 But as you saw, that in the 2024 election, in fact, you tweeted about this, Andrew.
00:30:36.000 In the 2024 election, 24% of the electorate were evangelical Christians.
00:30:42.000 In this past last week's election, it was 17%, which means millions of Christians stayed home.
00:30:49.000 If you're gonna, if you want to complain as I do about The results that just happened last week, lay it at the door of the pastors.
00:30:57.000 Lay it at the door of the church because the church did not even vote.
00:31:01.000 And James says if you know the right thing to do and you don't do it, that's a sin.
00:31:05.000 How hard is it to vote?
00:31:07.000 You got three weeks to vote and you don't do it.
00:31:10.000 I mean, we need to be engaged.
00:31:13.000 We're salt and light.
00:31:14.000 We're the ones that need to do this.
00:31:15.000 If we don't do this, guess who's going to do it? 1.00
00:31:17.000 Atheists are going to do it. 0.89
00:31:18.000 Socialists are going to do it. 1.00
00:31:19.000 Muslims are going to do it. 0.98
00:31:21.000 Marxists are going to do it. 0.99
00:31:23.000 If we don't get involved, Then the other side will, and we're going to see the bad results from their policies.
00:31:31.000 I think that's so well said.
00:31:32.000 I mean, this is the question of our day right now.
00:31:35.000 Christians made up, or evangelical Christians made up 24% of the electorate.
00:31:39.000 Now we're down to 17%.
00:31:41.000 And I think a lot of that is because people stayed home.
00:31:43.000 Now, I've told the audience, I'm still investigating accusations of voter fraud.
00:31:49.000 I'm looking into it.
00:31:49.000 I saw President Trump's truth social, but let's just brass tacks this right now.
00:31:54.000 The more obvious thing, and we can see this 151 voter turnout by party ID.
00:32:00.000 This is self identification, 2024 versus 2026.
00:32:02.000 So that's a presidential to a midterm year, right?
00:32:04.000 So you expect to see.
00:32:06.000 Less voter turnout.
00:32:08.000 What I can see right here is 54.1 million Republicans showed up in 2024.
00:32:16.000 Only 40 million showed up in 2026.
00:32:18.000 So that's a drop off of 14.1 million people.
00:32:21.000 14.1 million Republicans just didn't come out.
00:32:24.000 And then you compound that with the fact that more Democrats came out by about 800,000 and the independent vote swung wildly in their favor.
00:32:34.000 And by the way, we also had a bunch of Republican defections.
00:32:37.000 So Republicans, even in this 40 million that voted in 2026, A lot of them were voting Dem.
00:32:43.000 So before we run down that path, let's just address this issue here.
00:32:48.000 Go ahead.
00:32:49.000 We didn't have a lot of defections among the evangelicals that did vote.
00:32:52.000 They still voted four to one for conservatives, for Republicans.
00:32:57.000 It's just that fewer of them turned out. 0.97
00:32:59.000 You know, Christians could control the outcome of every election in every state if they all voted and voted biblically, but they don't. 1.00
00:33:07.000 It's our fault. 1.00
00:33:09.000 Well, yeah, it is.
00:33:11.000 It is.
00:33:11.000 And we run into, we talked about this, the frustration.
00:33:14.000 There's so many bad mind viruses that can get into Christians where they'll say, like, oh, I'm not engaged because, like, why do I even vote? 0.52
00:33:23.000 Because, you know, Jesus is going to return and it's not going to matter. 0.74
00:33:27.000 That's such a fundamentally unbiblical, unchristian attitude to take towards the enemy. 0.83
00:33:32.000 Or if they don't vote, you know, I see this from the pro lifers, you know, God bless them.
00:33:38.000 We love the pro lifers, but some of them won't vote because, you know, there's still abortions happening.
00:33:44.000 Even though we've made a lot of progress on that front.
00:33:47.000 So these little issues do chip away at the margins.
00:33:52.000 And then remember, Christians are like everybody else.
00:33:54.000 They still pay for gas, they still get frustrated by a war of choice.
00:34:00.000 Frank, your thought.
00:34:01.000 Yeah, they get frustrated by it.
00:34:03.000 But if we take Jesus' cue in Matthew 23 23, when he's talking to the politicians of his day, people say Jesus never got involved in politics.
00:34:11.000 Oh, he certainly did.
00:34:13.000 The Pharisees were the politicians. 0.76
00:34:14.000 Some of them were on the Sanhedrin, the Jewish ruling council.
00:34:17.000 Anyway, he says to them, That you're neglecting the more important matters of the law.
00:34:22.000 They were tithing their spices but neglecting the more important matters of the law.
00:34:26.000 The number one role of government, according to the Bible and common sense, is to punish wrongdoers to protect innocent people from evil.
00:34:34.000 Because when you don't punish the guilty, you wind up punishing the innocent because you allow the guilty to continue to prey on the innocent.
00:34:42.000 And it turns out that the big issues of safety in our country have to do with killing children, mutilating children.
00:34:51.000 Open borders, and those are the three things that the Republicans are trying to reduce.
00:34:57.000 They're trying to reduce abortion, they're trying to reduce child mutilation, they're trying to close the borders, and Democrats want to do the opposite. 0.66
00:35:04.000 And yet, we're going to worry about gas prices when, in fact, gas prices are not the central, most primary issue that a Christian should have in mind. 0.62
00:35:14.000 Is it an issue? 0.98
00:35:15.000 Of course it is.
00:35:16.000 But is it an issue that the government is responsible for and does it rise to the level of life?
00:35:21.000 No.
00:35:22.000 The right to life is the right to all other rights.
00:35:23.000 If you don't have life, you don't have anything.
00:35:25.000 And Jesus said, if you mislead or abuse any one of these little ones, these children, it would be better to have a millstone hung around your neck and be thrown into the sea.
00:35:35.000 But yet, we don't think, we think, oh, we're paying an extra dollar in gas, that somehow that's more important than actually protecting innocent people from evil.
00:35:42.000 We have our priorities wrong.
00:35:43.000 We're not only not voting, we have our priorities wrong.
00:35:46.000 Yeah, well, amen.
00:35:47.000 And I think the admonishment to the church is important.
00:35:51.000 And we need the church.
00:35:53.000 The church could win every election, you're right, in this country if it showed up.
00:35:58.000 And we got to keep praying for that.
00:35:59.000 And I will just say, as a quick note, as we wrap up this hour, you know, some of the allegations after the midterm of, you know, insider dealing or any of that stuff, even on our own team, we need to be courageous enough to look that in the mirror, call it out.
00:36:16.000 I'm letting some of that dust settle before I go off.
00:36:19.000 But we also have to be statesmen of the highest caliber and we have to have integrity on our own side as well.
00:36:26.000 Frank Turek, cross examined.org, one of the great apologists of our day.
00:36:31.000 And a truth speaker, thank you, Frank.
00:36:34.000 Good friend of the show, hey man.
00:36:35.000 Thanks, guys.
00:36:36.000 See you.
00:36:39.000 I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok plumbers, electrician, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:36:51.000 And it went way beyond tips and tricks, people were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:37:00.000 It opened my eyes. To how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:37:06.000 I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:37:13.000 And I never expected to find a community like this.
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00:37:32.000 We have such a treat in store for you this hour because.
00:37:36.000 You know, comics and comedians and not so funny jokes were all over the news this weekend.
00:37:42.000 I wanted to bring in two comedians, and we have one ready, and the other is about five minutes out.
00:37:50.000 But we're going to have a whole hour of discussions about the culture war, about our comics.
00:37:57.000 Where's the line?
00:37:57.000 Is there a line?
00:37:58.000 I think it's a really critically important part of the aesthetic on the right, of how we approach this issue.
00:38:05.000 And I want to make sure that we don't give into this.
00:38:08.000 Outrage mob machine that will backfire on us if we handle it incorrectly. 1.00
00:38:14.000 Here to help us unpack it is Bridget Fettesy. 1.00
00:38:17.000 She, by the way, Bridget, welcome to the show.
00:38:19.000 I'm so honored to have you.
00:38:21.000 I have been following you for a long time and I've seen your Rogan stuff and I read a lot of your work that comes out.
00:38:30.000 You're a writer.
00:38:31.000 You describe yourself as a writer and a joker.
00:38:32.000 You've done stand up.
00:38:34.000 Fettesy.com is your website.
00:38:38.000 And we'll Be talking about this through the hour.
00:38:41.000 You're the author of an upcoming book, pre order right now, The Left Camp Meme.
00:38:47.000 And I love it.
00:38:48.000 I think this is so important.
00:38:49.000 How Comedy Wins Culture Wars.
00:38:52.000 That subtitle is so powerful.
00:38:53.000 And I think it's exactly what we need to talk about today.
00:38:57.000 So, but everybody, I'm going to keep plugging the book.
00:39:00.000 So please go pre order.
00:39:02.000 It's just launching today.
00:39:03.000 So support Breakfast New York.
00:39:05.000 Yeah, it's right now.
00:39:06.000 This is the cover launch, technically.
00:39:09.000 I love it.
00:39:09.000 Amen.
00:39:10.000 Thank you.
00:39:10.000 I'm very honored to.
00:39:12.000 Be the show that gets to launch this for you.
00:39:13.000 So, Bridget, we all saw the news.
00:39:16.000 Dave Chappelle said he feels good that Charlie was assassinated.
00:39:22.000 Now, a couple things I just want to say up front.
00:39:24.000 I haven't seen the whole bit.
00:39:26.000 I don't know the context or any of that.
00:39:29.000 So I am reserving some judgment.
00:39:30.000 But I did talk to a couple of people that were there at the show.
00:39:34.000 And they said it was pretty straightforward.
00:39:36.000 They said it was kind of exactly what it sounds like.
00:39:39.000 And there was obviously the clip.
00:39:41.000 We didn't see the before or the after.
00:39:43.000 I don't have access to that footage.
00:39:46.000 How should we respond?
00:39:47.000 How are you responding?
00:39:49.000 You know, I think like any human, I responded in the human way, which is, well, I guess there are many different ways to respond to this, but my initial personal reaction was, ugh, yuck.
00:40:05.000 That's gross.
00:40:06.000 You know, I, and again, I reserve judgment because we haven't seen the full clip.
00:40:11.000 Chappelle is a genius.
00:40:12.000 He is known for long and winding premises that end up reversing and often making you, the audience member, fall into some kind of trap.
00:40:24.000 He's done this many times.
00:40:26.000 And it's tough when you see clips out of context.
00:40:29.000 I have loved Chappelle forever and looked up to him as a comedian.
00:40:33.000 He was, you know, he is also famous for transgressing the moral norms of the group in power. 1.00
00:40:42.000 So he did this with the trans stuff. 0.98
00:40:45.000 And famously, Charlie had his back even when somebody tried to attack him on stage. 0.98
00:40:52.000 So initially seeing that, it was eh, gross.
00:40:52.000 Yeah.
00:40:58.000 I don't even know if there's a joke there.
00:41:01.000 The audience laughs, you know, and we've been seeing a lot of this just everybody laughing at Charlie being assassinated. 0.83
00:41:09.000 And I think it's disgusting.
00:41:11.000 I agree with Erica Kirk that there's a moral decay.
00:41:16.000 All of that being said, we are also coming out of 10 years of the cry more lib culture.
00:41:24.000 And the right is ascendant and took the culture because they became the party that wasn't policing jokes.
00:41:32.000 And the left became the party that was.
00:41:35.000 So I think there are so many different things at play here, and you have to really separate them from all right, that joke.
00:41:46.000 Is there a line?
00:41:47.000 Who gets to be the arbiter of what the line is in comedy?
00:41:52.000 Are we the free speech party or are we not?
00:41:54.000 This is a question the right has to ask themselves.
00:41:59.000 What was your guys' feeling about it?
00:42:01.000 I'm very curious.
00:42:02.000 And now, so this has come up in other contexts before, like we've talked about how.
00:42:06.000 Charlie's life is a meme in other ways.
00:42:09.000 He's like a character in a lot of AI videos.
00:42:12.000 There's song edits, and people have asked what I think of that.
00:42:14.000 And I say a lot of them, they don't land with me specifically, but I sort of appreciate them.
00:42:20.000 Like, I like that Charlie's an icon, even if that being an icon in any way does mean being fodder for comedy.
00:42:26.000 In the same way we make jokes about Abraham Lincoln or George Washington, like we should have room for jokes about Charlie.
00:42:33.000 But this specifically, like, I had a friend who was at that show, and he said, I didn't actually see where the joke was.
00:42:41.000 It seemed like it was just done to shock.
00:42:45.000 And I do want to be wary of basically letting people say even the most appalling things like, I like it when people I disagree with, or like, I like it when white guys get shot and murdered, and then go, Whoa, I'm a comedian. 0.61
00:42:59.000 I'm doing a comedic bit. 0.73
00:43:01.000 Because I think we have seen that before.
00:43:02.000 Well, and so you asked how we felt.
00:43:05.000 I mean, instantly I thought of the Bible verse and I posted about it that.
00:43:09.000 You know, where Jesus is talking, it's like, hey, they hated me first.
00:43:13.000 So if the world hates you, it's because you belong to me and the Father.
00:43:18.000 And I know Charlie was a man of God.
00:43:20.000 And so I took refuge in that instantly.
00:43:23.000 And then I just kind of thought, I was just disappointed because I really enjoyed Dave Chappelle's stand up through the years.
00:43:32.000 And I knew Charlie thought that he was transgressive in so many powerful ways.
00:43:38.000 And that we had his back and that he didn't have ours.
00:43:41.000 And that, you know, maybe he hates Charlie because he wasn't pro George Floyd, you know?
00:43:48.000 He didn't buy the whole narrative.
00:43:49.000 And I guess that justifies him feeling these things.
00:43:52.000 I don't know.
00:43:53.000 But it, It kind of, you know, honestly, the first reaction was I was just like a little heartbroken because I wanted somebody like Dave Chappelle to get Charlie, to understand what he was doing, that he wasn't a hater, that he wasn't a racist, that he was transgressive like he is, you know, better, more godly, but that, and the fact that instead he turned on him and attacked him, it just, it was just a huge disappointment, huge disappointment.
00:44:23.000 And it's not like I don't want to police his speech, but I also think like, You know, maybe the line is like, don't celebrate murder.
00:44:32.000 And I don't think that's asking too much.
00:44:35.000 But again, if you're like, okay, so no one's supposed to have phones there.
00:44:40.000 So he's technically working out a bit.
00:44:44.000 Let's just say that he's like, this wasn't supposed to be.
00:44:49.000 So the reason that I am, yeah, you're not going to, it takes a while, especially for comedians like who take big risks with their material.
00:44:58.000 To comment on these things like murder in our culture and culture war stuff, it takes a lot of failing.
00:45:06.000 There was a great, I think it was a Chris Rock interview that he did where he said, Comedy is the only art form where you have to fail publicly in order to get better at it.
00:45:18.000 You can fail on your guitar privately, you can fail learning pretty much any art form very privately.
00:45:24.000 And in comedy, you have to get out there and do your stuff in front of people.
00:45:28.000 Now, you could argue, and a lot of people in my mentions are arguing, that this was just a victory lap and it was punching down at somebody who is dead, and that the audience is also, you know, the Coliseum kind of gleefully cheering for this blood sport that we're now in.
00:45:50.000 And I think this brings us to another issue that I constantly am wrestling with and contemplating.
00:45:58.000 And I think it's the thing that at the base of this is what really bothers me.
00:46:02.000 People on the right and conservatives is that this is an asymmetrical culture war.
00:46:07.000 We all know if a right wing comedian made that joke, it would be terrorism.
00:46:13.000 It would be stoastic terrorism.
00:46:16.000 That's what it would be called.
00:46:18.000 And they would call it violence and they would say that it was causing people to fear for their life and it would cause murders.
00:46:27.000 We all know this.
00:46:29.000 And I don't know. 1.00
00:46:31.000 I see you going after Jillian Welch for what they're laughing on their podcast.
00:46:36.000 About the jokes and about Charlie.
00:46:39.000 And again, I think there was a great thread about the asymmetry in advertising.
00:46:47.000 All right.
00:46:48.000 Bridget Fettesy and Graham Linehan.
00:46:50.000 I am not Irish, so I can't say it nearly as beautifully as he can say his own name.
00:46:54.000 But you two know each other, right?
00:46:56.000 At some level, this is not like your first time.
00:46:58.000 Okay.
00:46:59.000 I want to make sure.
00:46:59.000 Now we're friends.
00:47:01.000 I love it.
00:47:02.000 Graham, since we were talking about this urge, you're coming a little cold into the conversation.
00:47:09.000 But you are a very accomplished sitcom writer in the UK.
00:47:12.000 You got canceled yourself.
00:47:15.000 I mean, you got arrested.
00:47:16.000 You got arrested? 0.57
00:47:17.000 Because you said that if there was a man in a woman's restroom or locker room.
00:47:24.000 Graham, why'd you get arrested?
00:47:25.000 Then we'll go from there.
00:47:25.000 Yeah, tell us.
00:47:27.000 Yeah, I wrote a tweet in one of my many outraged parades on Twitter just saying that any man who goes into a female only space is being abusive.
00:47:43.000 And if a man like that enters your space, you should make a full list.
00:47:48.000 This is the list I would give my daughter. 0.93
00:47:51.000 Make a fuss. 1.00
00:47:53.000 If that fails, call the cops. 1.00
00:47:54.000 And if that fails, kick them in the balls, you know? 1.00
00:47:58.000 Or punch them in the balls, actually. 1.00
00:48:00.000 There was a slight joke there in that I was talking about the height differential between men and women. 0.99
00:48:07.000 But it was, yeah, but it was just, I mean, it could have been anything.
00:48:11.000 It was just three tweets picked by an activist that felt or looked sort of violent.
00:48:18.000 And they knew that they could report them.
00:48:20.000 And the police in the UK, who are as thick as a telephone book.
00:48:24.000 Sorry, that's a very old one.
00:48:26.000 We know what you mean.
00:48:29.000 But let's say a bank of servers with far less processing power.
00:48:37.000 But the police in England are just, you know, very, very sort of herd like and simple.
00:48:45.000 And they just do what these activists tell them to do, you know?
00:48:49.000 So, yeah, so that's what that was.
00:48:51.000 And this for me was only very later on, you know, way after my cancellation.
00:48:58.000 Since my cancellation, it's just been a case of being harried by these transactions.
00:49:02.000 This is why you have so much credibility speaking on this topic.
00:49:06.000 I think it could backfire if we handle a joke like Dave Chappelle.
00:49:12.000 I don't even know if it was a joke.
00:49:13.000 Honestly, what's interesting about his routines now is he kind of just stands on stage and pontificates about stuff.
00:49:21.000 It's a different, I don't know what you would call it.
00:49:25.000 It doesn't even seem like a stand up routine anymore.
00:49:28.000 It's just sort of a routine.
00:49:29.000 He's talking about his feelings about things.
00:49:33.000 So, you have a lot of credibility here.
00:49:35.000 I don't want to cancel anybody necessarily.
00:49:37.000 I don't want to be overly outraged.
00:49:39.000 I don't want to give in to the outrage mob.
00:49:41.000 I don't want to police people's speech.
00:49:43.000 But he said that my dear friend getting shot and assassinated, he's an innocent man, makes him feel good.
00:49:51.000 How did you interpret that?
00:49:52.000 And what do you think the proper response is?
00:49:54.000 Well, the first thing I did was I reacted in a very knee jerk way and I reposted it and I said, this is terrible or whatever.
00:50:03.000 And then I realized that.
00:50:04.000 Dave Chappelle has a long history of luring his audience in with things that either sound outrageous and then he flips them so they're innocent or funny or sweet, or they are funny and sweet and he flips them so they're outrageous.
00:50:23.000 And so I'm kind of used to watching him play with an audience like that over the years.
00:50:29.000 So I deleted the tweet thinking, I'll wait and see.
00:50:33.000 And sure enough, Bridget, it may have been you who pointed this out first to me, but perhaps you can explain, actually, so I can turn over to you, Bridget.
00:50:44.000 But perhaps you can explain what the sort of reasoning started to become quite soon after.
00:50:53.000 Yeah, and again, I don't know if it's the reasoning because I haven't seen the full bit, and I think it's hard to discuss these things completely out of context.
00:51:00.000 We're dealing with just like a snippet of context, but he did.
00:51:05.000 End up kind of tagging this long portion that we're all discussing with another portion that came out where he basically calls back to a joke that Tony Hinchcliffe made in the roast about George Floyd looking up from looking up at all of everybody at the roast and not being able to breathe or something along those lines.
00:51:29.000 And so he mimicked that.
00:51:30.000 And, you know, I think it's interesting because what we are talking about here are kind of two side sacred cows.
00:51:38.000 So the right did make Charlie a bit of a sacred cow in the aftermath, rightfully, obviously.
00:51:47.000 He's basically a martyr at this point.
00:51:53.000 But then people also lost their jobs because they made jokes about him, and it became this big, it became the sacred cow on the right.
00:52:02.000 Yeah.
00:52:03.000 Yeah, go ahead.
00:52:04.000 Finish your thought.
00:52:05.000 And then George Floyd has been the sacred cow on the left.
00:52:05.000 I just.
00:52:08.000 Where you could, you know, there are murals and you couldn't make fun of him during 2020.
00:52:14.000 And it was seen as like something that you couldn't touch, this third rail.
00:52:19.000 So if I may jump in again, it seems to me that if Charlie Kirk, oh, sorry, if he was doing this and he was doing this possibly as a sort of a playing with the ideas of who both people were rather than the, well, actually, interestingly enough, he seems to be playing with the idea.
00:52:42.000 Of who Charlie Kirk was, not the reality.
00:52:46.000 And the reality of who George Floyd.
00:52:53.000 He's gone.
00:52:54.000 I think he paused right at the wrong time.
00:52:56.000 Dramatic comedic pause.
00:52:57.000 Dramatic pause.
00:52:59.000 We lost him.
00:53:00.000 So I would just say, you know, here's the thing.
00:53:00.000 Yeah.
00:53:04.000 I just keep coming back to this thought, Bridget, that like celebrating a man's assassination or, you know, It does seem like we have to have some line.
00:53:15.000 I do think there is a line.
00:53:17.000 And again, I'm not going to be outraged.
00:53:19.000 I'm not going to give him that.
00:53:21.000 But I do think that we should be doing that.
00:53:25.000 I think that's very, I feel like that's why I had my visceral reaction, just like a lot of people did.
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00:54:57.000 So, The Left Camp Meme How Comedy Wins a Culture War.
00:55:01.000 And Bridget, tell us about it.
00:55:04.000 Well, it's actually what we're talking about right now.
00:55:07.000 You know, you kind of left before we went to the break saying there should be a line.
00:55:10.000 And I would throw that question back to you asking who gets to be the arbiter of that line.
00:55:15.000 We don't want it to be the left or the government.
00:55:20.000 Or the government. 0.60
00:55:21.000 And also, I just think adjudicating jokes is a cultural loser.
00:55:26.000 We have literally seen that for a decade.
00:55:29.000 We have lots of evidence that this is something that has happened in our culture, this process of trying to. 1.00
00:55:36.000 Say, you can't say this, you can't say that, and being the pearl clutchers is not going to win you culture wars. 1.00
00:55:44.000 I think comedy is actually upstream of culture, and that's why it's such a winner. 0.99
00:55:51.000 So, you, I think, on the right, have to ask yourselves can you withstand a joke like this, or are you going to turn into like a right wing Triglypuff?
00:56:00.000 Because let me tell you, the left would like nothing more than for that to happen.
00:56:05.000 Graham?
00:56:06.000 Well, I agree with that to a very large extent.
00:56:12.000 I think that the way I've been approaching this is more through a question of craft and his nerve, whether his nerve is still up.
00:56:29.000 I did notice, Bridget, that recently he's been making noises.
00:56:32.000 He said something bizarre about, I never wanted to be part of the cruelty that the Trump administration is doling out.
00:56:41.000 To trans people.
00:56:42.000 And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second, what are you talking about? 0.76
00:56:47.000 You know, for the last three specials, you've been pulling apart the trans movement in such a way that it gave a lot of hope to people who thought they were going insane by everyone taking this stuff seriously. 0.65
00:57:01.000 And then he came along and he just completely tore the part in old specials. 0.63
00:57:06.000 And then he seemed to apologize for it, you know?
00:57:09.000 And I wonder whether there's a slight failure of nerve in that now he's doing material.
00:57:15.000 That is pandering to his audience rather than what he used to do, which was sort of fake pander, wrong foot the audience, and come back with something even more audacious and funny.
00:57:31.000 You know, that's my only worry.
00:57:33.000 I just wonder if I'm going to be.
00:57:34.000 Yeah, but you would also think he, of all people, would be concerned that people are being shot for their controversial views.
00:57:42.000 Like you're feeding into something that will get comedians killed too.
00:57:48.000 It's not.
00:57:49.000 That's what I and I think conservatives kind of made a mistake thinking that a lot of these comics were conservative.
00:57:56.000 That you know, David Sachs had this clip that was going around where he said, Oh, we made this mistake, we lost the podcast bros.
00:58:02.000 I'm like, You never had the podcast bros. 0.99
00:58:04.000 First of all, comics are all whores. 1.00
00:58:07.000 Like, we're all this is like expecting loyalty from a prostitute. 1.00
00:58:12.000 Also, these are people who were single issue voters who wanted to say retard. 0.94
00:58:16.000 These are not people who are comfortable with the deportations, they're not people. 0.92
00:58:21.000 Who have any idea about conservative values whatsoever.
00:58:25.000 And I think that the right mistook the left wing comics of your, the Jon Stewarts and whatnot.
00:58:33.000 They were ideologues and they were down for their cause and they were loyal to that cause.
00:58:39.000 And I think the right thought, oh, we have this parallel, you know, counterculture that we started and these comics are ours now.
00:58:49.000 And these are not ideologues.
00:58:51.000 These are people who are going to go.
00:58:54.000 Wherever the wind blows, and it's kind of hard to tell whether they're like the chicken or the egg.
00:59:00.000 Are they the weather or are they the weather vein?
00:59:04.000 I think it's a little bit of both, but I think the right has to really understand that aspect of this as well.
00:59:12.000 I also think that there's some differentiation to be done between different types of comedy that people are doing on this matter.
00:59:23.000 And I realize it's very painful to you guys and to Erica.
00:59:26.000 And I know it's just, I've been disgusted every day since his death at some new aspect of it.
00:59:36.000 But I do think that there's a difference between kids doing Halloween costumes.
00:59:41.000 I met Michael Malice and he tricked me into saying, Yeah, I thought it was horrible.
00:59:46.000 And Michael Malice said, You know, well, it's Halloween and they're kids, you know.
00:59:53.000 And I kind of thought, Actually, that's a good point.
00:59:55.000 I remember when I was a kid how sick jokes were used as a sort of an escape valve.
01:00:01.000 And they spread, even before the internet, sick jokes about an incident spread so fast, lightning fast, every day.
01:00:08.000 The world knew about the video a few seconds after it happened.
01:00:12.000 It's crazy without the internet.
01:00:14.000 And now with the internet, you have an even worse problem of what's the word?
01:00:19.000 Mimesis, would that be the word?
01:00:21.000 Or mimetic copy?
01:00:22.000 It's just people just copying each other.
01:00:26.000 But there should be some adults in the room who are able to take these things and make better use of them.
01:00:32.000 And if Dave Chappelle really did this as a sort of clapback at another comedian, that's a bit meta.
01:00:41.000 For a joke that has such significance to performers and to other people who don't want to be killed for speaking out.
01:00:52.000 Speaking to the kids, I think humor, when we ask ourselves, what is the role of comedy, which is another thing that I've spent my lifetime thinking about, but especially the past year.
01:01:05.000 And it's not just a parasite that feeds on power.
01:01:08.000 This tells me that Charlie is very powerful.
01:01:11.000 You know, he still is powerful even in death, that they're still all going after him.
01:01:15.000 They have a holiday for him.
01:01:17.000 This is a crazy amount of time and energy to be spending on him.
01:01:21.000 And it shows me that his message is powerful.
01:01:23.000 The churches have been full since he died.
01:01:26.000 There's a lot of evidence that people are listening to his message.
01:01:31.000 On the other hand, it gives you relief.
01:01:35.000 Right after the Epstein Island thing, there was this video game that the kids made that I don't know if you remember this.
01:01:41.000 It was like a Escape from Epstein's Island.
01:01:43.000 And the teens were, they made this like janky video game and they were all playing this video game, Escape from Epstein's Island.
01:01:51.000 I did hear about this.
01:01:52.000 I never saw that.
01:01:53.000 Yeah, we live in a time that's quite dark.
01:01:55.000 And I think dark humor is something that people are using to try to cope with that.
01:02:00.000 A lot of kids saw that in real life and they have no, they saw it either in real life or they saw it online and couldn't escape the videos.
01:02:10.000 And that, this is also, don't forget, How humor is a coping mechanism for people, even if it feels gross.
01:02:19.000 And I don't think it's a mistake to think like every single person wants all of us dead and is celebrating murder.
01:02:27.000 Now, that is true for some, but I think a lot of it is a coping mechanism too for young people who really just don't have the prefrontal cortex to be able to make sense of this.
01:02:39.000 I was thinking last night about when Kennedy was killed.
01:02:42.000 Can you imagine Halloween?
01:02:44.000 Like in the internet age, after that, you know what I mean?
01:02:49.000 And it's like, it's, it's, but again, this goes no way to solving the pain of people who knew him and have to see this play out.
01:03:00.000 But I think Bridget is right.
01:03:03.000 It's because he not only was an important cultural figure in life, but I think in death he really did.
01:03:12.000 He just went into the stratosphere.
01:03:14.000 I think as soon as he died, people started actually looking at what he was saying.
01:03:18.000 And then a lot of people realized that they were being lied.
01:03:21.000 About a really good person who'd just been killed, but being lied to about a really good person who'd just been killed.
01:03:25.000 That's what I take the most solace in.
01:03:27.000 That, yeah, if they're making jokes about Charlie, it is because his life mattered and he spoke to so many millions of people.
01:03:35.000 And if they're doing it years later, that only emphasizes that point.
01:03:40.000 So, Bridget, because we're talking, can we draw the line at all?
01:03:44.000 Should anything be off limits?
01:03:46.000 We were also discussing earlier with Frank Turk, we were talking about the I've Had It podcast where they're also joking about.
01:03:52.000 Digging up Charlie and shooting him again.
01:03:55.000 They're not a comedy podcast.
01:03:57.000 They would say they're making a joke.
01:04:00.000 Is there any difference between someone whose living is as a comedian or if they're making sitcoms versus someone who's not doing that and they make an extremely over the line joke, in our opinion?
01:04:12.000 I mean, I think again, what we're talking about, and this is something that like my husband and I spend an inordinate amount of time talking about, and I don't have an answer.
01:04:21.000 And this is when I really deeply miss guys like Charlie to be able to hash this out because.
01:04:26.000 There is, it is an asymmetrical culture war.
01:04:30.000 So if Chappelle says something that is, you know, they can kind of excuse it.
01:04:39.000 He is a good guy making a mistake.
01:04:42.000 If you're on the right wing, you're an evil person and you are saying or doing something evil.
01:04:49.000 And you see this even in advertising.
01:04:51.000 And this is actually where I'm glad that you are going after this.
01:04:54.000 I think, first of all, to answer your question, I think there's a different responsibility for journalists. 0.98
01:04:59.000 Again, I think everyone in media is whores. 0.97
01:05:03.000 So we all fall prey to this. 0.98
01:05:05.000 But I do think that journalists have a different responsibility.
01:05:10.000 Now, I also think being someone who's right coded now, it is much harder for me to get ads.
01:05:16.000 And you can joke about killing Charlie Kirk and have better help as your advertiser.
01:05:22.000 Like, I'm sorry, what?
01:05:25.000 That's crazy.
01:05:26.000 You should be fighting that asymmetrical.
01:05:31.000 Difference in the culture.
01:05:32.000 Yeah.
01:05:32.000 And I think, like, here's the thing at some level, the culture will just sort of on the macro make their decision, right?
01:05:38.000 You might have brands.
01:05:39.000 I mean, you know, they're accusing me of coordinating this whole boycott of their show.
01:05:44.000 I'm not.
01:05:44.000 I haven't called any brands.
01:05:45.000 I haven't gone into customer support.
01:05:47.000 I haven't done anything.
01:05:48.000 I just posted about it when brands sever ties with her.
01:05:52.000 Okay.
01:05:53.000 That's my right to do that.
01:05:54.000 I'm not trying to, you know, the market is speaking like that.
01:05:58.000 People did this on their own.
01:05:59.000 And I think there is, Dave Chappelle is going to have this.
01:06:03.000 As well, right?
01:06:04.000 There are certain conservatives that will not support Dave Chappelle, I'm sure.
01:06:07.000 Or it may be liberals as well.
01:06:08.000 They're just too grossed out by it.
01:06:10.000 And he'll probably have a lot of people that want to talk to him and can't wait to hear what he's going to say next.
01:06:14.000 And his next show is probably, you know, every show for his probably books out, but, you know, and sells out.
01:06:20.000 But the point is, you know, he's going to play his game.
01:06:22.000 And I think morally we have to say, hey, joking about political assassinations, especially being close to it.
01:06:33.000 I was disappointed.
01:06:33.000 Like it.
01:06:35.000 I was pretty pissed and hurt, but I also don't want to play that game that Bridget is defining that where, like, who defines the line, who cancels who, whatever.
01:06:45.000 And I do hold commentators, podcasters that are in politics, politicians, journalists to a different standard than I'm going to hold Dave Chappelle.
01:06:54.000 I just do.
01:06:55.000 Maybe I shouldn't.
01:06:57.000 Send us an email, freedom at charliekirk.com.
01:06:59.000 I want to hear your thoughts.
01:07:00.000 There's this other story here, though, guys, that's also going around that is also crazy, and we haven't talked about it as much.
01:07:06.000 I'm going to play the clip here and get your reaction.
01:07:08.000 SOT 17. 0.98
01:07:09.000 We took the Rosenbergs and put them up against a wall and executed them for being traitors. 1.00
01:07:16.000 And I realize this is an incendiary statement, but I'll make it and I believe it. 0.97
01:07:21.000 I think Elon Musk is a traitor to the West.
01:07:24.000 And I think what is even more dangerous is this zeitgeist within America that the idolatry of innovators and money has created a cloud cover such that traitors to the West are not seen as traitors to the West.
01:07:38.000 That if this had happened in any other age where we were not obsessed with innovators and money, a much different reaction would be playing out to Elon Musk.
01:07:50.000 So he's making the case to execute Elon Musk because he basically plugged a loophole in Starlink that took seven to ten days.
01:08:00.000 The standard for him is Star Shield, the military product, launch your drones with that through the Pentagon contract, but you can't do it through the commercial contract.
01:08:07.000 That's Elon's position.
01:08:09.000 Plugs a loophole, seven to ten days, drones get grounded.
01:08:12.000 He doesn't bring up the fact that Ukraine would have collapsed anyways if they didn't have Starlink, if he didn't have this whole ecosystem of tech.
01:08:21.000 You know, for the front lines.
01:08:22.000 But regardless, this is why I think this is important because now you have, formerly, in my opinion, serious political commentators that are, you know, he's a professor.
01:08:34.000 He's on the board of regents for the University of California.
01:08:36.000 And he's talking like this.
01:08:38.000 And Dave Chappelle's talking like this.
01:08:40.000 And Jennifer Welch is talking like this.
01:08:42.000 And then all of a sudden, it's like, okay, where's the line?
01:08:46.000 I want to be on the team that doesn't advocate for political assassinations, that doesn't laugh at it.
01:08:46.000 I don't know.
01:08:51.000 This is an asymmetrical fight.
01:08:53.000 It is a, you are fighting a death.
01:08:54.000 Cult. 1.00
01:08:55.000 They would like nothing more than for somebody like that to get assassinated so that they can all be like, see, they're terrorists and Nazis. 0.98
01:09:03.000 And this is, this is again where I don't actually know. 0.96
01:09:07.000 This is a big debate that happens on the right.
01:09:09.000 I don't know.
01:09:10.000 You know, you always hear like the new rules, we're going to toss out all of our principles.
01:09:15.000 You will have, how do you fight a side that will use your principles against you?
01:09:20.000 And I actually don't know the answer to that.
01:09:23.000 I would love to know what you guys think.
01:09:26.000 I'm sure this has come up many times.
01:09:28.000 Well, I just think that the left now are, and the humor that the left employ is a combination of two things.
01:09:39.000 It's like, I think, first of all, it's very hacky.
01:09:46.000 It's like digging up Charlie something, do it again.
01:09:51.000 It's not like, I mean, and also when you see them on that little clip, they're pretending to laugh.
01:09:57.000 They do the thing that a lot of podcast people do, which is they laugh as if they've.
01:10:03.000 You know, they often know the information they're laughing about.
01:10:06.000 And it's like, it's so fake and it's so awful.
01:10:09.000 But it's also part of this thing, I think, which is, which is they're throwing, like as Bill Hicks used to say, they're throwing seeds. 0.83
01:10:16.000 They're just, you know, they're just hoping that someone will pick up on these messages that are coming through and do something about this traitor billionaire.
01:10:26.000 That's why he's hoping to, you know, set someone off.
01:10:30.000 He may not even know he's hoping to do that.
01:10:33.000 But if it happens, if someone actually listened to that broadcast and went and killed Elon Musk, he would probably never know and he would be delighted about it.
01:10:43.000 Be he would celebrate it and make jokes about it, so that's who the left are at the moment.
01:10:47.000 I don't know if you saw the other video that this guy made where he said that he took a mentally ill, though.
01:10:55.000 I mean, this guy's this guy seems mentally unwell, you know. 0.78
01:10:58.000 He's seen well, yeah, he said true story.
01:11:02.000 It's like I would have left a little bit of an out.
01:11:05.000 No, I was joking, yeah.
01:11:07.000 We call him the car crapper now.
01:11:10.000 Blake coined the term, yeah.
01:11:11.000 There's a better one we could use, but we have to be a PG, yeah.
01:11:14.000 There's one with an S.
01:11:15.000 I also think.
01:11:17.000 I think it says a lot too that.
01:11:18.000 But what is going on?
01:11:20.000 Yeah. 0.93
01:11:21.000 They're insane.
01:11:22.000 Bridget, you're absolutely right. 0.99
01:11:23.000 They've gone mad.
01:11:25.000 I think it's a thing that, because when the left aren't in power, they can't.
01:11:28.000 Because their world, they believe their worldview is correct.
01:11:32.000 And your refusal to acknowledge that authority is an act of evil.
01:11:36.000 That is like actually what I've learned and finally understood that I'm up against.
01:11:42.000 And I don't know how to fight that.
01:11:44.000 I do know that people that know their ideas are indispensable.
01:11:48.000 Often resort to violence.
01:11:50.000 So, seeing this kind of violent rhetoric constantly coming from the left is also only telling me that their ideas are increasingly more and more indefensible.
01:12:01.000 They're always projecting that we're everybody else is the authoritarian while they act exactly like that.
01:12:07.000 And I have to keep saying to conservatives and right wingers, don't take the bait.
01:12:13.000 Like, they're, they're, it is bait.
01:12:15.000 You can't.
01:12:16.000 And I know that that is, that is, um, That is like a godly becoming increasingly more of a godly effort, yeah.
01:12:26.000 Especially, especially for us that are so close to it, you know.
01:12:30.000 Of course, I can't, I cannot even imagine.
01:12:32.000 I can't even imagine, yeah.
01:12:34.000 Like, there's definitely like a part of me that wants to breathe fire and, yeah, and you know, go after it.
01:12:41.000 And this is why I will tell you, I'm so encouraged by what the grassroots has done with the Jennifer Welch thing.
01:12:46.000 They're telling us they're using their voice and their agency to do this.
01:12:51.000 Again, I'm not doing it, but.
01:12:53.000 I'm happy they are.
01:12:54.000 And if people want to do the same thing to Dave Chappelle, I'm not going to fight them.
01:12:59.000 This is one area where I think conservatives are actually very powerful.
01:13:03.000 And the right wing, you guys all left Bud Light and never went back.
01:13:08.000 I think they're still number three, even after years.
01:13:12.000 And Target suffered.
01:13:14.000 And I don't know that I know people who still don't shop at Target.
01:13:17.000 So I think that there is, you have attention.
01:13:21.000 People have attention.
01:13:22.000 That is the most.
01:13:23.000 That is the most scarce resource in the world right now.
01:13:27.000 Everybody's fighting for it.
01:13:28.000 I also think the new culture war, the emerging culture war, is there isn't really a mainstream culture that people are reacting to.
01:13:36.000 It's just so split and so many different cultures.
01:13:40.000 Is that you either affect the discourse or you are affected by the discourse?
01:13:48.000 And you have to project strength.
01:13:52.000 This is something I think Charlie was so good at.
01:13:54.000 He knew when South Park came after Charlie, he laughed at it.
01:13:58.000 He took it as a sign of his power and he projected calm and strength and rolling with the punches because he wanted people to entrust.
01:14:08.000 He understood how to wield power.
01:14:11.000 And I think you have to be calm and sturdy.
01:14:14.000 And after all this years of chaos, the people who are not panicked, not bothered, you know, passing this character test are going to be persuasive over time.
01:14:26.000 That's my theory.
01:14:27.000 I could be totally.
01:14:28.000 Wrong, and you're all gonna laugh.
01:14:30.000 I love that.
01:14:30.000 But I love that.
01:14:31.000 I love the humility that you approach it with because you know, uh, you know, it's just all different.
01:14:37.000 It's one thing to be, you know, lampooned on South Park.
01:14:42.000 It's a whole nother thing to lampoon my friend when he's dead because he was murdered.
01:14:47.000 And so it's just so much more severe.
01:14:50.000 And I don't want to be a part of a culture that celebrates.
01:14:53.000 Yeah, go ahead.
01:14:54.000 Of course not.
01:14:54.000 It's that asymmetry again, you know?
01:14:58.000 Like we get into trouble when we say there's two sexes, they get into trouble when they say they want to kill us. 0.97
01:15:05.000 They don't get into trouble. 1.00
01:15:07.000 And wanting to kill us.
01:15:08.000 In fact, it'll be. 0.96
01:15:09.000 Like, they don't get in much trouble.
01:15:10.000 And on top of that, they routinely are able to spin, oh, saying there are two sexes is basically genocidal rhetoric, which in fact is very plausibly what motivated Tyler Robinson to shoot Charlie.
01:15:22.000 That they amp up this rhetoric of you holding a political opinion I disagree with is basically murder and justify shooting it, which is why all these left wingers say it's okay to celebrate Charlie's death.
01:15:32.000 That because he had political views they disagreed with.
01:15:34.000 How do you fight it?
01:15:36.000 What is the alternative?
01:15:37.000 How do you get the bait?
01:15:39.000 You don't fall into the trap.
01:15:40.000 I think that's right.
01:15:41.000 But I think you state the moral truth.
01:15:43.000 But I'm not here calling for the canceling of Dave Chappelle.
01:15:48.000 I'm going to make the moral line.
01:15:50.000 I'm going to draw a moral line and a distinction.
01:15:53.000 But I'm not, I don't know.
01:15:55.000 I think that's the best I've got today.
01:15:57.000 But I think these are really powerful ideas.
01:16:00.000 Bridget Fettesy, pre order the Left Camp meme.
01:16:03.000 It is on sale just today.
01:16:06.000 And we have the artwork.
01:16:07.000 It's the grand reveal of the artwork.
01:16:10.000 If you could throw it up.
01:16:11.000 And Grand Lineham.
01:16:12.000 GrandLineham.substack.com.
01:16:15.000 Check out his writings and his work there.
01:16:18.000 They have come after him for saying offensive jokes.
01:16:21.000 And so we have to be very careful about how we approach this topic.
01:16:24.000 Bridget, Graham, thank you so much for the hour.
01:16:27.000 God bless you both.
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