The Charlie Kirk Show - No Democrats for Utah! + The Legacy of Jesse Jackson

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 Hour two is underway here.

00:01:13.000 We have Rob Axon, who's the chairman of the Utah Republican Party, joining us now.

00:01:20.000 It's a good Republican name. 0.93

00:01:21.000 It's Rob Axon.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, that is a very solid name.

00:01:25.000 Rob, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, sir.

00:01:27.000 And I just wanted to be with you guys.

00:01:29.000 Yeah, it's great to have you.

00:01:30.000 I want to just, you know, celebrate what I would say is a remarkable Herculean effort that was undertaken by you guys in Utah.

00:01:42.000 Turning Point Action was honored to help and come alongside and give you guys a little shot in the arm.

00:01:47.000 But all I saw for weeks was Utah cannot do this.

00:01:52.000 They're not going to get the 200,000 signatures.

00:01:54.000 And man, I was not feeling super optimistic, but why don't you give our audience an update on what Prop 4 is and what it took, what you guys have been embarking on the signature drive.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, well, first and foremost, a huge shout out and thank you to so many partners across the country and most importantly here in Utah.

00:02:15.000 And certainly couldn't do it without Turning Point Action and the help of all of you guys and really the movement that Charlie and so many people have built.

00:02:24.000 It's alive and strong here in this country.

00:02:27.000 It's certainly alive and strong here in Utah.

00:02:30.000 So here's where we were in a nutshell.

00:02:32.000 In 2018, Proposition 4 was put onto the ballot.

00:02:36.000 It passed by a very narrow margin.

00:02:39.000 It provided an independent, whatever that means, but an independent redistricting commission.

00:02:44.000 And so that was supposed to provide recommendations to the legislature on drafting maps.

00:02:49.000 In the language itself, when voters voted for it, it was referred to again as a recommending body.

00:02:55.000 And it said that the recommendations could be accepted or rejected by the legislature.

00:03:00.000 So, okay, that's fine.

00:03:01.000 I didn't like it, but at least it was constitutional.

00:03:04.000 The problem is there's been a lawsuit and it led to a court decision here in Utah 18 months ago by our state Supreme Court that I believe they got wrong, where they gave preeminence to legislate initiative authority over that of our elected representatives, kind of defeating representative democracy.

00:03:21.000 So that was issue one.

00:03:22.000 Issue two, we had a lower court judge who then, based off of that ruling, threw out our congressional maps and picked a map of her own choosing that came from a private group. 0.87

00:03:32.000 One that did not go through the commission and more importantly, one that did not comply with Article 9 of Utah's state constitution that says the only body that can draft maps is the state legislature.

00:03:44.000 You can't ignore the Constitution.

00:03:45.000 You can't ignore it.

00:03:46.000 If you don't like it, you can change the Constitution, but you can't ignore it, certainly not by one judge.

00:03:51.000 So enough was enough.

00:03:52.000 And we engaged in an initiative process to repeal Prop 4.

00:03:56.000 And that's what we were successful in meeting the threshold requirements necessary in what we submitted over the weekend.

00:04:02.000 Okay, so here's my first question.

00:04:04.000 So I lived in California for a while and I've seen a number of these signature drives to get propositions on the ballot.

00:04:13.000 Usually you got to get a certain number past the finish line because especially in California, they're going to throw out like a third of your signatures or 20% of your signatures.

00:04:22.000 But I want to underscore a point here.

00:04:24.000 I have a question and a point.

00:04:25.000 The point is the fact that you guys did this, which I think in such quick time came out.

00:04:32.000 Turning point action came out.

00:04:33.000 They needed, I'm looking here.

00:04:35.000 They needed, there's 29 state Senate districts and you needed to hit the threshold in 26 of them.

00:04:40.000 So you couldn't even just blob in the most Republican parts.

00:04:43.000 You had to do it all across the state, even the most liberal parts, even the most rural parts.

00:04:48.000 You had to very dramatic achievement.

00:04:51.000 Well, so the headlines were that you weren't going to pull it off.

00:04:53.000 You did pull it off.

00:04:54.000 Do you think we have enough extra once the, isn't the Secretary of State, their office is going to review the signatures?

00:05:01.000 Yeah, so the clerks will go through in each of the respective counties and they're going to count all of those.

00:05:06.000 Then it is officially certified by the lieutenant governor.

00:05:10.000 Here's what's interesting.

00:05:12.000 Our requirement statewide is about 141,000 signatures.

00:05:16.000 That's what we need.

00:05:16.000 That's 8% of registered voters here in Utah.

00:05:19.000 You then, as was mentioned, you need 8% of registered voters in at least 26 of 29 Senate districts.

00:05:25.000 We went and engaged in every single Senate district.

00:05:28.000 We went and engaged wherever and everywhere we could.

00:05:32.000 And we did it in a consistent way, showcasing the importance of representative government, showcasing the importance of adhering to the Constitution and not stepping back from that obligation.

00:05:42.000 The nice thing is we exceeded the numbers necessary by a large margin.

00:05:47.000 We've turned in well over 200,000, by tens of thousands, more than 200,000 signatures.

00:05:52.000 And so even with those that will be kicked out, I think we are in a phenomenal spot.

00:05:58.000 Now, here's the challenge, though.

00:05:59.000 We have this quirk in Utah's law where for the next number of weeks, so just about 45 days from the point that we've submitted it, actually a little bit longer.

00:06:09.000 It's the point from when a person's signature is verified, they can have their name removed.

00:06:13.000 They have to voluntarily do that.

00:06:15.000 The problem is the left is spending about $4 million now to come in and try to bully and shame and intimidate people to remove their names.

00:06:24.000 You can't make this stuff up.

00:06:25.000 The very people who claim that they want to listen to the people are the ones who are right now trying to intimidate and drive people from ever being heard.

00:06:33.000 All we did is put this on the ballot.

00:06:35.000 All this does is give it to Utons to make a decision instead of one judge.

00:06:40.000 That's an important distinction.

00:06:41.000 And now the left is trying to prevent the people from having their voice be heard.

00:06:45.000 Yeah.

00:06:45.000 Okay.

00:06:45.000 I mean, that's, that's a, so is there an action item that we can give our audience on what they should do or to counter it or just get the word out that people are trying to get, trying to intimidate signatories?

00:06:56.000 I think that's the key thing.

00:06:56.000 Yep.

00:06:57.000 Just let people know.

00:06:58.000 So if you're here in Utah listening or if you have friends in Utah, make sure that they know.

00:07:02.000 Don't be intimidated.

00:07:04.000 When somebody comes in and tries to say that you need to pull your name off, be confident.

00:07:09.000 All you did by signing on to this is put it on the ballot and you're saying that you trust the people of Utah.

00:07:15.000 Stand in that.

00:07:16.000 Be proud of that.

00:07:17.000 Trust the people of Utah.

00:07:18.000 Don't listen to these angry activist groups.

00:07:20.000 Don't listen to a judge.

00:07:22.000 Don't listen to an elected official.

00:07:23.000 Don't listen to me.

00:07:24.000 Let's give it to the people of Utah.

00:07:26.000 Let the people of Utah decide this policy, which has been way too chaotic for the last six years, certainly has not been implemented in a way that respects the will of the people back in 2018.

00:07:38.000 We're now giving it back to Utah's to decide.

00:07:40.000 One other thing that would be a call to action that would be helpful is we are engaging in a messaging campaign to make sure that people realize that they're trying to be fooled by these outside groups.

00:07:50.000 That takes money.

00:07:51.000 And so if any of your listeners are willing to donate, they can go to Utah's for Representative Government's website, which is ufrg.org, and you can donate there.

00:08:01.000 And we'll use that to make sure to continue to fight for representative government.

00:08:05.000 Yeah, and let's get that URL up on screen, guys, UFRG.

00:08:09.000 And I just want to give a quick shout out to what I say.

00:08:13.000 I don't know what I said.

00:08:14.000 UFRG.org.

00:08:16.000 And we'll get that up on the lower here so people have it.

00:08:20.000 I just want to give a quick shout out to the White House, by the way.

00:08:23.000 You know, sometimes people are like, yeah, they're asleep at the wheel or something like that.

00:08:26.000 No, they heard your guys' appeal.

00:08:28.000 James Blair, Susie Wiles, they sent resources.

00:08:32.000 People told them it couldn't be done in this quick order.

00:08:35.000 They helped you guys out, got it over the finish line.

00:08:39.000 Turning point action, Scott Pressler.

00:08:41.000 So this has been an all-hands-on-deck effort to get this.

00:08:45.000 Really quick here, Rob, what was the old maps versus the new maps?

00:08:50.000 And what was going to be the party breakdown just based on like D plus, R plus?

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 Well, and before I jump into that, you're exactly right.

00:08:58.000 And it's not just a shout out to the president.

00:09:00.000 It's not just a shout out to partners across the country, Turning Point, Scott Pressler, Matt Brasall, and Tim Saylor.

00:09:06.000 I mean, all of these people that folks in conservative politics know, it's not just a shout out to these people.

00:09:12.000 These people are true friends of Utah.

00:09:14.000 Utah is always a flyover state throughout my lifetime.

00:09:17.000 It's easy to ignore.

00:09:18.000 This was a chance where people came, rallied to our defense, to our support.

00:09:22.000 It was a partnership all along the way.

00:09:24.000 And I am grateful for every Utah who signed on to this, every Utah who supported and volunteered, and all of those partners outside of Utah.

00:09:31.000 Now, to your question, our four congressional districts, these are districts that represent the will of the people.

00:09:38.000 13% of Utah's are Democrats.

00:09:40.000 This new map that this judge picked put together and pretty much it's the most gerrymandered, manipulated map in Utah's history.

00:09:47.000 She put most of the Democrats into one congressional district. 0.97

00:09:50.000 And so you go from 13% of Utah's voters being Democrats to now one of our four congressional maps as proposed and to be implemented by this judge is a Kamala Harris plus 28.

00:10:02.000 It's ridiculous.

00:10:03.000 It's not competitive. 0.97

00:10:04.000 It's not representative of the people of Utah.

00:10:07.000 It was not accountable and transparent to us.

00:10:09.000 We can't fire this judge.

00:10:12.000 We didn't have any engagement on this.

00:10:14.000 She went and created the most gerrymandered map this state has ever seen.

00:10:18.000 Jeez.

00:10:19.000 Well, this is what the judges do. 0.97

00:10:20.000 The will of the people be damned. 0.59

00:10:22.000 They're just going to be active.

00:10:24.000 I don't understand what it is about these professions that draw a certain type of people.

00:10:30.000 Rob, great job.

00:10:31.000 This was amazing.

00:10:31.000 Go to ufrg.org.

00:10:34.000 Support their efforts.

00:10:35.000 Got to get this over the finish line, folks.

00:10:37.000 Got to get it over the finish line.

00:10:38.000 We'll talk to you again.

00:10:39.000 Thank you guys.

00:10:39.000 Appreciate it.

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00:11:52.000 We are now on to the fact that Jesse Jackson, the Rev. The Rev, the Reverend.

00:11:57.000 The Rev died at 84.

00:11:59.000 I guess our younger view, even I, his peak didn't, I was not around for his.

00:12:04.000 No, nor was I.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, so it's a bit older, but it's worth commenting about because he does represent a, I guess you might say a transitional figure in American politics.

00:12:05.000 I don't think he was.

00:12:16.000 He's, you might say, like kind of one of the last great religious figures on the left.

00:12:23.000 I mean, he was the Reverend, as he would use in his title.

00:12:28.000 But we were talking during the break.

00:12:31.000 One of the saddest things about him is he represents one of the most shameful elements of the Democratic Party, which is the way Christian leaders, self-identified Christian clergymen even, sold out on some of the most important issues. 0.81

00:12:43.000 Because in the 1970s, after Roe versus Wade happened, he condemned it.

00:12:48.000 He wrote pro-life things.

00:12:49.000 And then in the 80s, he ran into the future.

00:12:51.000 No, he didn't just condemn abortion.

00:12:53.000 He called it genocide.

00:12:54.000 He called it murder.

00:12:56.000 He was a child born out of wedlock.

00:12:59.000 And so people had actually advised his mom to abort him.

00:13:03.000 And he's alive because his mom, well, he's now dead, but he lived a life because his mom did not abort him.

00:13:10.000 And then by the 1980s, when he decided he was going to run for president in 1984, 1988, he changed his views to align with the Democrat Party platform, which is shameful, actually.

00:13:21.000 It was a real tragedy, and other Democrats did the same thing.

00:13:24.000 Mario Cuomo, that was the father of the other Cuomos that you're familiar with, he was a pro-life Democrat.

00:13:32.000 He was a Catholic Democrat in the 60s, 70s.

00:13:34.000 And then he also had national ambitions.

00:13:37.000 He also swerved to the left on that, as did other Democrats.

00:13:40.000 People may have forgotten, but in the 60s and 70s, it was actually, you might have called it a live issue which party might end up being the pro-life one because Catholics were heavily associated with the Democratic Party, and that was where the pro-life movement was.

00:13:55.000 And it's just slowly they were all pushed out of the party, or they were pushed, in Jackson's case, to just change their views on that really critical issue.

00:14:03.000 And I'm sad to say that that's one of his chief legacies was enabling that because he was, people, younger people won't realize this, but before Obama, he was probably the most famous black political figure in America, especially on the left.

00:14:17.000 And I think if he'd remained firm on that issue, if he had said, we are going to be pro-life and we will not change on that, he could have really reshaped the trajectory of America in a powerfully pro-life Christian way.

00:14:29.000 I don't know if you said this before, but he was sort of most famous for marching with Dr. Martin Luther King.

00:14:35.000 He was present at his death, and he kind of assumed some of that mantle after King's blood on him famously afterwards.

00:14:45.000 And so he used that to, understandably, claim a leadership role in the movement.

00:14:50.000 He was only in his 20s at the time.

00:14:53.000 And I think, I think, is that them at the Memphis hotel.

00:14:57.000 I can't remember if that's literally.

00:14:58.000 I don't know if that was from when he was killed or not.

00:15:02.000 So he did have one redeeming quality.

00:15:05.000 Well, so this is a funny bit.

00:15:08.000 We wanted to make sure because he had some viral moments.

00:15:10.000 He would occasionally use interesting stuff.

00:15:12.000 Another thing I should mention, by the way, he is the person who popularized African American as a term for black Americans instead of some other.

00:15:19.000 Yeah, that was the most common term you heard, I would say, when I was growing up, early 2000s.

00:15:24.000 There's been a push.

00:15:25.000 And then they pushed back, and now black has become the default one again. 1.00

00:15:29.000 But another thing that is very funny, this is probably the last time he went really viral as a figure in politics.

00:15:35.000 This is when Barack Obama was running for president.

00:15:37.000 He wasn't even the nominee yet, I believe.

00:15:40.000 And he got angry because he felt that Barack Hussein Obama was talking down to other black Americans. 0.99

00:15:46.000 And so he said in a hot mic moment that he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off. 0.99

00:15:54.000 Let's play 385. 0.97

00:16:12.000 He did that again.

00:16:13.000 By the way, Barack did that again in the 2024 campaign.

00:16:18.000 Remember when he went and talked to those black men and kind of like guilted them?

00:16:21.000 Yeah, which I don't think is certainly not the worst thing that Barack Obama did.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, well, no, of course, but President Trump chimed in on truth.

00:16:30.000 They had a long-standing friendship.

00:16:31.000 President Trump helped him throughout the years.

00:16:33.000 Said, the Reverend Jesse Jackson is dead at 84.

00:16:35.000 I knew him well long before becoming president.

00:16:37.000 He was a good man with lots of personality, grit, and street smarts.

00:16:40.000 He was very gregarious, someone who truly loved people, despite the fact that I am falsely and consistently called a racist by the scoundrels and lunatics on the radical left, Democrats, all.

00:16:50.000 It was always my pleasure to help Jesse along the way.

00:16:53.000 I provided office space for him and his rainbow coalition for years in the Trump building at 40 Wall Street, responded to his request for help, getting criminal justice reform passed and signed when no other president would even try, single-handedly pushed and passed long-term funding for historically backed colleges and universities, which Jesse loved, but also which other president would not do, other presidents would not do, responded to Jesse's support for opportunity zones, and on and on he goes.

00:17:16.000 So President Trump had a long-standing friendship with Jesse Jackson.

00:17:20.000 I would say he was a man with a very mixed history, certainly some good with some bad. 0.92

00:17:28.000 I would say he ended not as well, not as strong.

00:17:31.000 I will say I think the period of his peak in American politics is a period where I think the sense was that race relations in America got better rather than worse.

00:17:42.000 I would maybe I'm mistaken.

00:17:45.000 I wasn't around there for it.

00:17:46.000 Listen, I think he peaked in the 70s when he was pro-life.

00:17:50.000 Yes.

00:17:51.000 And by the time he started running for politics, I think the wheels came off a bit.

00:17:54.000 But there was a funny local, he famously couldn't say words.

00:18:00.000 He would mumble.

00:18:02.000 And there was actually a radio host in Los Angeles that used to do what the hell did Jesse Jackson say segment.

00:18:08.000 And they would play this clip just kind of out of context.

00:18:11.000 You didn't know what it was, but it was just him mumbling something.

00:18:14.000 And then he would take callers to try and guess what the actual translation was.

00:18:18.000 That's amazing.

00:18:19.000 But I want to double back on that.

00:18:20.000 I would say I think what Charlie would flag the most of all is he really could have been a transformational figure if he'd held the line on the life issue.

00:18:29.000 I think, and I think we should all feel sad that he didn't step up to that task.

00:18:35.000 I think America would have had a very different 80s, 90s, 2000s.

00:18:39.000 We might have, maybe Casey would have been what overturned it instead of Dobbs. 1.00

00:18:43.000 We might have, frankly, we might have saved millions of lives if he'd been a little more courageous.

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00:19:58.000 We have Mike Davis from the Article 3 Project.

00:20:02.000 Mike, I was seeing this tweet go around yesterday, and welcome back, sir.

00:20:07.000 You look good in your tie and suit.

00:20:10.000 You were doing, I literally, as I say that, is you were doing extracurricular activities yesterday.

00:20:14.000 We were going to have you on yesterday, but you couldn't, but you've cleaned up.

00:20:18.000 So, Mike, you had this tweet from July of 2025, and it started doing the rounds again yesterday.

00:20:18.000 All right.

00:20:23.000 It had over a million, 1.2 million views.

00:20:25.000 So, you were calling your shot in July, and then you went through this big, I guess, just a thread answering everybody's questions about the Epstein files.

00:20:37.000 And in it, you say, you could throw it up, guys, and I'll read this a little bit and let you respond. 0.98

00:20:41.000 Anyone who rapes kids deserves the death penalty. 1.00

00:20:43.000 True, no lies detected. 1.00

00:20:45.000 Here's the problem with the Epstein mess.

00:20:46.000 The FBI doesn't have the evidence many thought it did.

00:20:49.000 There are not tapes with powerful men raping kids.

00:20:51.000 There is not a list.

00:20:52.000 Epstein's Rolodex is already public, and the file is largely unreleasable for many reasons, including grand jury materials, court records under seal, child pornography, protection of victims.

00:21:02.000 And then you say five, unsubstatuated, even double or triple hearsay, bogus claims.

00:21:07.000 Mike, have you seen basically your tweet come true, or has the Transparency Act kind of overridden some of those initial concerns?

00:21:16.000 The floor is yours. 0.99

00:21:17.000 Yeah, I mean, this Transparency Act by Tom Massey and Ro Hanna, whatever the hell his name is, it did not produce the result they thought it would produce because they're morons. 0.97

00:21:31.000 And we see that they are grandstanders, and they're more concerned about getting clicks and raising money for their congressional campaigns than getting to the truth.

00:21:43.000 I would just ask, where was Thomas Massey and Ro Hanna, whatever the hell his name is, where were they for the four years of Biden when Biden was in office?

00:21:53.000 They weren't demanding these records.

00:21:57.000 It's obvious this is political.

00:22:00.000 They also smeared four good men by saying that those men were implicated in this Epstein mess. 0.99

00:22:09.000 And instead of acknowledging that they were wrong and apologizing to these four men who they smeared, they've doubled down and tripled down and they've even blamed the Justice Department for their own stupidity. 1.00

00:22:24.000 So those two members of Congress can go to hell. 0.99

00:22:27.000 Yeah, and it does strike me if you're if you're a Democrat or an Independent out there that's considered, you know, let's just say conservative.

00:22:34.000 If you're a conservative out there considering voting Democrat next year because you don't like the way that the DOJ, Trump's DOJ, or Trump himself has handled the Epstein thing, you have to ask the question.

00:22:47.000 They were in power for four years and they did nothing.

00:22:50.000 They sat on this until they saw a political opportunity to weaponize it against President Trump because they saw that our people wanted the Epstein files to be more transparent, to be released.

00:23:03.000 But your point is very well made that innocent people are getting smeared in this.

00:23:09.000 There is conjecture.

00:23:10.000 There is, I mean, even Elvis Presley is in the Epstein files.

00:23:15.000 But there does seem to be this lack of a smoking gun.

00:23:20.000 We had Jay Beecher on, who's a reporter on this.

00:23:22.000 He was talking about the fact that it was actually Virginia Guffery who was the one that popularized this idea of this large blackmail ring that he had lists full of people he had compromised on.

00:23:34.000 But we're not really seeing that.

00:23:36.000 And so I guess the question is, you're well connected to the DOJ.

00:23:40.000 There are other co-conspirators named in some of the files like Les Wexner.

00:23:44.000 Are you hearing that there are suits being, you know, cases being built against the co-conspirators that did sort of turned a blind eye that enabled him? 0.99

00:23:55.000 As I've said, if you rape kids, you deserve the death penalty. 0.99

00:23:59.000 There's no question about that. 0.97

00:24:00.000 The problem is if you don't have victims who come forward and want to testify, if you don't have evidence, you can't bring charges.

00:24:09.000 And that's the issue.

00:24:10.000 We also have the federal rules of evidence.

00:24:13.000 We also have the federal rules of criminal procedure.

00:24:17.000 There is a reason that grand jury evidence is secret because it's not tested.

00:24:25.000 It's not subject to cross-examination.

00:24:28.000 And people can go in and it's one-sided and people can go in and say whatever the hell they want and they're not subject to confrontation, right?

00:24:35.000 And so that's why this grand jury evidence is secret.

00:24:39.000 You make it public through the federal rules of evidence and the federal rules of criminal procedure through a trial with the proper safeguards to make sure that the evidence is relevant and it's not unfairly prejudicial.

00:24:55.000 You're not going to smear people like Thomas Massey did with those four guys and Rohana, his Democrat co-conspirator, did to those four guys who were innocent, right?

00:25:09.000 That's the whole reason we have these procedures to protect victims, to protect witnesses, to protect those who are accused.

00:25:21.000 We've had these in place for centuries, but we got rid of this because Thomas Massey decided he was going to pass legislation for the first time in his life, conveniently timed to think they're going to try to use it to screw over President Trump and it backfired and blew up in their faces.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, it's, yeah, I've, Mike, I've been very, he's controlled.

00:25:47.000 I'm the contrarian.

00:25:48.000 I've been, I was skeptical.

00:25:50.000 I've been skeptical about a lot of the Epstein stuff probably, you know, since this really started to whip up last summer.

00:25:55.000 And I think it's very, it's worth emphasizing what you said, where, you know, if you want to bring criminal charges, you need actual alleged specific acts by specific people.

00:26:06.000 And I do feel there's been this miasma around it where it's like, why isn't everyone being charged?

00:26:10.000 Why aren't there arrests and convictions?

00:26:13.000 But as you say, like, considering we have so many alleged victims of all of this, there's been a, strikes me as a huge shortage of anyone stepping up to specifically say, I had this specific crime done to me by this specific person.

00:26:28.000 And if you don't have that, what exactly are you going to indict?

00:26:33.000 Let me make this other point that I think is important.

00:26:36.000 If you want to bring accountability for the lawfare against President Trump, his aides and his allies, then let's not demand that every good person in the Justice Department has to sit through months and months and months of document review on this Epstein BS, because that's what happens.

00:26:54.000 The reason we're not seeing accountability on lawfare right now is because Thomas Massey and his Democrat buddies have all the Trump Justice Department people up to their eyeballs in Epstein document review for many months.

00:27:08.000 So there are finite resources at the Justice Department, as there should be.

00:27:14.000 And we had to focus on Thomas Massey's priorities, his political nonsense, rather than actually holding people accountable for their crimes.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, that's a really interesting point, Mike. 0.97

00:27:26.000 So you have been, you have become famous by being a bulldog. 0.95

00:27:32.000 Infamous. 0.96

00:27:33.000 Infamous. 0.56

00:27:34.000 By being a bulldog.

00:27:35.000 You are always on the front foot, on the balls of your feet, and you are moving forward, trying to go after the bad guys, guys on the left, get the right judges, right prosecutors in place.

00:27:46.000 What are, yeah, I guess the question sort of, you could take it in either direction.

00:27:51.000 What are we missing out on right now?

00:27:53.000 Because you said they're up to their eyeballs reviewing documents on Epstein.

00:27:56.000 What are we not doing?

00:27:57.000 But also, what are we doing that you at the DOJ, Pam Bondi, Harmeet Dylan?

00:28:03.000 What are they doing that you think is getting missed by the noise that is Epstein?

00:28:08.000 I think the Attorney General Pam Bondi is doing a phenomenal job.

00:28:11.000 She's bold.

00:28:13.000 She's fearless.

00:28:14.000 She fires people. 1.00

00:28:15.000 She hires the right people.

00:28:17.000 She brings charges.

00:28:18.000 She dismisses bogus, politicized charges. 0.98

00:28:21.000 She has bigger balls than all the Republican white male attorneys general before her combined. 0.98

00:28:28.000 And people are constantly attacking her. 0.98

00:28:31.000 And it seems to align with this Epstein, massey, weirdo crowd that they're constantly attacking her on this stuff.

00:28:39.000 And it's distracting and it's diverting resources from the cases that actually matter.

00:28:45.000 If Thomas Massey actually cared about Epstein and these victims, where the hell was he for four years of Biden?

00:28:52.000 This is obviously a political game by him.

00:28:56.000 He's teaming up with Democrats on this political game.

00:29:00.000 All these Epstein freaks keep attacking Pam Bondi, who's doing a remarkable job given the terrible circumstances. 0.97

00:29:08.000 And they want to make her job more difficult by diverting prosecutors and law enforcement agents to do this stupid Epstein review instead of actually going after crimes they can prosecute. 0.98

00:29:20.000 So what about fraud? 0.98

00:29:21.000 What about the Somali fraud? 1.00

00:29:22.000 What about, you know, Nick Shirley just dropped a new video about voter fraud in California?

00:29:28.000 Are you hearing from your sources inside the DOJ that those are still, we're still able to do those or are they getting back burnered?

00:29:35.000 They're absolutely going to get prosecuted.

00:29:37.000 You can't steal billions of dollars.

00:29:41.000 You have Somali pirates stealing billions of dollars and sending it back to their warlords in Somalia to fight Americans in American interest. 0.51

00:29:51.000 Of course they're going to get prosecuted.

00:29:53.000 It takes time to gather the evidence and build these cases.

00:29:57.000 Well, Mike, I'm going to have to just disagree with you that I think there is some more there with the Epstein stuff.

00:29:57.000 All right.

00:30:04.000 I'm a big believer in the Intel agency ties.

00:30:08.000 We had Mike Benz on.

00:30:09.000 It was a great segment.

00:30:11.000 But I think you're also right that the DOJ has what the DOJ has.

00:30:16.000 The FBI has what the FBI has.

00:30:17.000 We have no idea what happened to those files along the way.

00:30:19.000 We have no idea what's been stripped out, what's been destroyed, what's been put in a box.

00:30:24.000 You know, this has been years in holding, decades.

00:30:28.000 We don't know what we don't have.

00:30:29.000 And here's the issue.

00:30:31.000 If we didn't, do you think, do we really think if Democrats had evidence that Trump was implicated in the Epstein thing, do you think they would have sat on that for eight years when they made up charges against Trump for eight years?

00:30:44.000 The Russian collusion hoax.

00:30:46.000 They brought four indictments against him.

00:30:48.000 They tried to bankrupt him for non-fraud, but they held back evidence of Epstein and let him win the election last time.

00:30:54.000 Okay.

00:30:55.000 No lies detected in the last segment.

00:30:57.000 Thanks, Mike Davis.

00:30:58.000 We'll talk to you soon.

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00:31:59.000 We're going to get into the elite universities. 0.99

00:32:03.000 They're doing dumb things. 0.97

00:32:05.000 It's been a little too long since we've just beat up on them because remember, college is a scam. 0.99

00:32:08.000 Charlie warned us.

00:32:08.000 There was that book.

00:32:09.000 It's up here somewhere.

00:32:10.000 The college scam.

00:32:11.000 It's up there.

00:32:12.000 Trust me.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, it's right under Right Wing Revolution there.

00:32:14.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:32:14.000 All right.

00:32:15.000 Excellent.

00:32:16.000 All right.

00:32:16.000 So Harvard.

00:32:17.000 Blake, do you want to take this away?

00:32:19.000 I want to do the Berkeley one.

00:32:20.000 Okay.

00:32:20.000 Do the Harvard one.

00:32:22.000 Here's what's crazy.

00:32:24.000 Let's go ahead and throw up this image here.

00:32:26.000 This is 278.

00:32:27.000 This is a history 123 class at Harvard.

00:32:31.000 The course, and this is directly from the course description online.

00:32:35.000 This course trains and support teams of undergraduates to contribute research and writing for asylum applicants represented by attorneys at Mabel Center for Immigration Justice.

00:32:46.000 This course operates on four parallel tracks, blah, So this is a history department.

00:32:51.000 This is a history class at one of the nation's supposed elite higher education institutions training young, susceptible, you know, vulnerable college undergrads on how to write asylum cases for illegal immigrants.

00:33:08.000 It really is.

00:33:09.000 It's a relief to have this in a sense because there is so much of college that is just left-wing politics with some dress-up around it.

00:33:18.000 And it's nice for it to be so explicit that you just can't really ever live it down.

00:33:22.000 Like you took a history, a history department class.

00:33:24.000 At least if it was sociology, you'd say, well, sociology is implied left-wing politics anyway.

00:33:30.000 But there's not even, as far as I can tell, a plausible history connection to that.

00:33:36.000 No.

00:33:36.000 The guy decided I am converting my Harvard class that you're paying $20,000 to take or whatever, just that course, of course.

00:33:45.000 And we're converting it into a left-wing political opportunity.

00:33:49.000 Well, it's an activist organization.

00:33:50.000 So let's just one clip on Charlie raging against Harvard, 262.

00:33:54.000 Harvard University has a $50 billion endowment.

00:33:57.000 They have a tax-exempt status.

00:33:59.000 They get money for research grants.

00:34:02.000 Why is it as a country which is $35 trillion in debt, we continue to finance universities that hate us?

00:34:09.000 And what good actually is Harvard University going to keep on doing with our taxpayer funding? 0.68

00:34:14.000 The garbage and the nonsense that is being spewed out of Harvard, out of Princeton, out of Yale, out of Brown University, out of Cornell is noticeable and it's remarkable. 0.84

00:34:27.000 It's really worth asking, has Harvard just become a Democrat think tank? 0.97

00:34:32.000 And if they are, why are they a taxpayer-funded entity?

00:34:36.000 I noticed he didn't mention Dartmouth, your Oma Motor. 0.97

00:34:38.000 Yeah, you know, you would have some kindness there.

00:34:41.000 But no, and it's like I want to flag that.

00:34:44.000 I want to hit Berkeley, but I also am going to double back to Harvard, so make sure they do that.

00:34:47.000 But there's a lot of classes like this.

00:34:49.000 UC Berkeley is another distinguished school of higher learning.

00:34:53.000 And this one's a public university, too, so we should note that.

00:34:57.000 And this is a story that happened in late January, but it's worth highlighting.

00:35:01.000 This is a headline on them.us, which is a great website name, I must say.

00:35:07.000 Berkeley students make 300,000 Wikipedia edits to preserve queer history against Trump.

00:35:15.000 And this is apparently a quite long ongoing thing, but a professor just drafted her students to write Sections on Wikipedia that include queer theory, but I have critical race theory.

00:35:30.000 I have to ask this question because I've seen it repeated multiple times, right?

00:35:34.000 You've got the Olympian that's talking about, oh, it's really hard for the LGBTQ community now that Trump's in office.

00:35:41.000 Why?

00:35:42.000 Why is it hard?

00:35:43.000 I want one of you right in freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:48.000 Please, please send this to your liberal friends.

00:35:50.000 Explain to me like I'm five.

00:35:53.000 What has Trump done to the queer community?

00:35:55.000 What?

00:35:56.000 Nothing.

00:35:57.000 President Trump kind of supports queer community.

00:36:00.000 He's like, really is not that exercise.

00:36:02.000 He is not that exercise.

00:36:04.000 He is a Manhattan cosmopolitan elite himself. 0.98

00:36:08.000 He doesn't care that you're gay. 0.98

00:36:10.000 Stop acting like you're being persecuted like Christians are being persecuted, actually. 0.99

00:36:15.000 This is the most obscene thing to me ever.

00:36:18.000 What are they preserving in the era of Trump?

00:36:20.000 What queer Wikipedia articles need to be preserved because President Trump is coming after them? 0.96

00:36:26.000 Yeah, it's a perceived victimhood garbage narrative that I completely and utterly reject.

00:36:32.000 Professor Maria Rodriguez, as AOC might pronounce it, she's had her students create 300,000 edits, over 3,000 citations, and they've garnered over 96 million views.

00:36:42.000 And I think if you've been to Wikipedia in recent history, you actually can kind of tell.

00:36:46.000 Like, I've talked to a lot of people and they can tell.

00:36:48.000 It's like Google search.

00:36:49.000 It's clearly gotten worse over the years.

00:36:52.000 I'm a Grocker.

00:36:54.000 You can read Rock Pete.

00:36:55.000 It's actually quite good.

00:36:55.000 AIs have gotten good at those summary type topics.

00:36:58.000 Of course.

00:36:59.000 But I want to double back to Harvard on this specific point because another thing I saw today, we have to just be aware.

00:37:06.000 Colleges are not, you know, we've talked about whether there's a vibe shift against woke and there's certain initial stuff.

00:37:12.000 The Trump administration bullied Harvard and Columbia and a few of these other schools on a few things, but they're clearly not on our side at all.

00:37:20.000 A lot of them are hoping they can wait it out.

00:37:22.000 And there's been a lot of radicalization even over the past few months where they're getting whipped up again, just like they did in 2017, 2018, because of ICE activities.

00:37:32.000 And we have to realize this is, frankly, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hold some of these universities to account.

00:37:38.000 So, for example, Harvard is subject to the Supreme Court's ruling in Students for Fair Admission versus Harvard, which said, okay, you can't racially discriminate against Asians and white people any more than you can discriminate against other races.

00:37:50.000 Well, since then, we have the numbers on Harvard's demographics, and the evidence suggests basically what they did is they stopped discriminating against Asians, but they still discriminate against whites.

00:37:59.000 So if Harvard is going to be creating entire classes where your sole purpose is to undermine the nation's laws by feeding more illegal immigrants into this country and preventing their deportation, how about we take the DOJ and if we need to, hire more lawyers there?

00:38:13.000 We should 100% do that and go look at Harvard and say, yeah, Harvard, you seem to still be discriminating against people.

00:38:19.000 So, you know, your money is going to be subject to some retention here until we get this resolved.

00:38:24.000 Yeah, well, and I think we should tax the endowments.

00:38:26.000 If you have over, let's say, but we don't need to pass anything to investigate them or prosecute you.

00:38:31.000 But if you have over like $10 billion in an endowment, you should just start taxing it.

00:38:36.000 You've got enough, right?

00:38:37.000 Tax the rich.

00:38:38.000 Isn't that what you left-wingers like to say?

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 18, 2026

No Democrats for Utah! + The Legacy of Jesse Jackson

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