The Charlie Kirk Show - March 08, 2023


Nordstream, J6, and Everything Else the Media Won’t Tell You with Jack Posobiec, Kash Patel, and Andrew Kolvet


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While Charlie is on assignment, we ve got a huge hour. Andrew Colvet joins us to talk about Nordstream 2, and then we bring on Kash Patel to discuss what s going on with Jan 6. A ton of stuff to get into.

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00:00:00.000 All right, Jack Pesobic, guest hosting here for the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:03.000 While Charlie's on assignment, we've got a huge hour.
00:00:06.000 Andrew Colvett, producer Andrew, joins us to talk about Nord Stream 2.
00:00:11.000 And then we bring on Kash Patel.
00:00:13.000 What's going on with Jan 6?
00:00:16.000 What's going on with this footage?
00:00:17.000 A ton of stuff to get into.
00:00:19.000 Here we go.
00:00:21.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:22.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:24.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:28.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:31.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:32.000 He's an incredible guy.
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00:01:02.000 We've got a lot going on today.
00:01:04.000 We're going to talk a lot about Tucker Carlson and the release of the January 6th tapes and what this means for us and what it means for our country.
00:01:12.000 We've got Kash Patel coming up later in the hour to discuss with that in great detail.
00:01:19.000 But first up, I want to bring here on producer Andrew Colvet.
00:01:24.000 And now, producer Andrew, we don't always, you know, have the, I think this may be one of the first times that you and I have done the show like this together.
00:01:32.000 Is that right?
00:01:33.000 I think that's right, Jack.
00:01:34.000 I think that's right.
00:01:35.000 But we have lots of sidebar conversations.
00:01:38.000 We have lots of sidebar conversations, and there was a sidebar.
00:01:40.000 I appreciate you picking up what I was putting down there.
00:01:42.000 We had a sidebar conversation yesterday when we were talking about what to get into on the show today.
00:01:47.000 That I said, you know what, Andrew?
00:01:49.000 We just need to have you on the show and we need to have this conversation.
00:01:52.000 And credit where credit is due, man.
00:01:54.000 You put this together.
00:01:56.000 You absolutely put this together.
00:01:58.000 And it was something that I had been noticing, but I was running around these past couple of days.
00:02:02.000 I was doing events.
00:02:03.000 It was all over.
00:02:04.000 I was with my kids doing a digital detox.
00:02:06.000 We're doing that on Sundays for Lent.
00:02:08.000 And you picked up on something that I hadn't actually seen through.
00:02:12.000 And it had to do with the Nord Stream situation.
00:02:15.000 Can you explain that for everyone?
00:02:17.000 Yeah, no, we were chatting late last night, kind of wondering what the heck was going on with Tucker and why didn't we see any more tapes?
00:02:24.000 And, you know, I do want to get into that because I think it's really fascinating.
00:02:29.000 What we do here behind the scenes at the Charlie Kirk show is, I mean, we are analyzing all the news from every single possible angle.
00:02:35.000 Our team is 24-7.
00:02:37.000 24-7.
00:02:38.000 So here we are.
00:02:38.000 I mean, it was like, you know, 12 o'clock East Coast your time.
00:02:42.000 But I put together something.
00:02:43.000 And normally hosts don't call for, you know, guests don't call for clips.
00:02:47.000 And I'm grateful for you to be hosting our show, Jack.
00:02:50.000 But there's a clip 70, if you guys can cue that up.
00:02:54.000 This was actually what kind of keyed me off on this.
00:02:57.000 I saw this briefly last week and I thought there's something more to the story here.
00:03:03.000 And this was John Kirby doing a presser.
00:03:07.000 And the press is asking.
00:03:08.000 It's saying, Chancellor Schultz from Germany is coming.
00:03:11.000 Why don't we get this two-on-two press conference like we normally do?
00:03:15.000 Where's the pump and circumstance?
00:03:16.000 Where's the pump and circumstance?
00:03:18.000 Where's the dinner with all the celebrities coming in?
00:03:21.000 Where's Schwarzenegger?
00:03:22.000 You know, like going to the White House.
00:03:24.000 No, absolutely.
00:03:25.000 Any of those things.
00:03:25.000 Absolutely.
00:03:26.000 Totally under the radar.
00:03:28.000 Absolutely.
00:03:28.000 Now, the timing of events here is really key.
00:03:31.000 So let's go ahead and play Cut 70 and then we'll go from there.
00:03:35.000 Cut 70.
00:03:36.000 We consider not having a 2 plus 2 press conference with Schultz.
00:03:40.000 We would love for there to be the regular 2 plus 2 press conference.
00:03:44.000 So I think Corinne addressed this issue yesterday.
00:03:48.000 I don't have anything to add to what she told you.
00:03:51.000 This is a working visit and it's very the agenda, which is tight-knit because it's just not an expansive.
00:03:59.000 Not going to be meeting with the president all day.
00:04:02.000 It's a tight visit, working level visit on pretty significant issues.
00:04:07.000 And it just wasn't part of the schedule for either leader here to do a press conference.
00:04:12.000 So you get that, Jack.
00:04:14.000 This is a working visit on significant issues, and we don't have time for him to take questions.
00:04:23.000 I mean, that's crazy.
00:04:25.000 No, it's absolutely crazy.
00:04:28.000 They do press visits, you know, press conferences on much lesser countries like it's, you know, at the end of the day.
00:04:35.000 And Dylan Mulvaney from TikTok, the TikTok trans thing got more press than Olaf Schultz when he came to the White House.
00:04:43.000 No, absolutely.
00:04:44.000 So here's the order of events that you have to keep in mind, right?
00:04:48.000 So you've got Schultz comes right after the Seymour Hirsch bombshell that the U.S. is responsible for blowing up Nordstream.
00:04:57.000 You don't understand that there's a German component to that because it's not just about Russia being the source.
00:05:02.000 They're not just the sellers.
00:05:04.000 It's the customer.
00:05:05.000 The customer was Germany.
00:05:07.000 And Germany had put a lot of money and a lot of political capital into this pipeline as well.
00:05:11.000 And now they are the ones who are stuck not having that cheap gas come in.
00:05:16.000 And guess what, boys and girls?
00:05:18.000 You may not like Russia, but that is going to have economic impacts on their families, on their society, on their jobs, on their manufacturing base that they're trying to cling on to.
00:05:29.000 This is going to have huge ripple effects through Germany.
00:05:32.000 And now you've got this huge piece coming out by from, and by the way, yes, an actually respected journalist like Cy Hirsch coming out and saying, no, it was the U.S. that did your trade partner, another NATO member that did this to you.
00:05:44.000 That's right.
00:05:45.000 So they get together.
00:05:46.000 It's a working high-level, very important topics to discuss.
00:05:50.000 And remember the background here as well, Jack, that Ukraine wanted tanks.
00:05:55.000 They wanted German tanks.
00:05:56.000 Germany didn't want to send them, right?
00:05:58.000 So there's all of this geopolitical tension going on.
00:06:01.000 Meanwhile, the Biden administration is flexing on Germany and applying pressure on Germany.
00:06:08.000 And then, you know, so we see them meet at the end of the week, right?
00:06:12.000 End of last week, no pomp and circumstance.
00:06:15.000 And then just a couple days later, and Jack, I credit you for kind of connecting the dots with this.
00:06:20.000 A couple days later, the New York Times intelligence suggests pro-Ukrainian group sabotage pipelines, U.S. officials say.
00:06:28.000 And Jack, you were the one that said this was not deep investigative work by the New York Times.
00:06:34.000 This was a press release that was published by the Intel agencies.
00:06:39.000 So what's the connection here?
00:06:41.000 We don't get that press conference.
00:06:43.000 Germany's upset.
00:06:45.000 Conveniently, a couple days later, that a New York Times bombshell puts distance between Biden and blowing up Nordstream.
00:06:55.000 And now here's the kicker.
00:06:57.000 Now, why would pro-Ukrainian forces, why would that be something that was allowed to be published in this geopolitical landscape?
00:07:04.000 Well, I venture to guess, and admittedly, this is speculation, but that there was a phone call made, probably a perfectly perfect phone call between the Biden administration and Zelensky and said, hey, listen.
00:07:18.000 Which, by the way, and I'm just going to throw this out there for everybody, like, Andrew, you've done some stuff on high levels and you've had some kind of phone calls like this.
00:07:29.000 Like, you're not just some schlub out there.
00:07:32.000 Not about blowing up pipelines, but yes.
00:07:34.000 It's not about blowing up pipelines, but you've done some high-level stuff.
00:07:37.000 I get how the leverage works.
00:07:38.000 So, anyways, Biden calls.
00:07:41.000 The admin calls or back channels, however, this gets communicated to Zelensky and says, listen, we're about to drop this story.
00:07:49.000 It's going to come out in the New York Times in a day, and it's going to mention that these were pro-Ukrainian forces that did it.
00:07:56.000 So Zelensky goes, Well, I didn't want to blow up the pipeline.
00:07:59.000 I had nothing to do with it.
00:08:01.000 Ah, well, you know what?
00:08:02.000 If you want another $150 billion, you know, if you want that billion-dollar deal, you better fire that process because they're already at war with Russia, right?
00:08:11.000 They're already at war with Russia.
00:08:12.000 So there's, you know, this is a convenient scapegoat for them to point out and say, well, it was them that did it.
00:08:17.000 This is similar, by the way, to the killing of Pablo Escobar, which was conducted by U.S. Delta Force, a special team in the 1990s.
00:08:24.000 But it was credited to the Colombian military.
00:08:28.000 And this, no, come on.
00:08:29.000 That was obviously Grimbraz that did that.
00:08:31.000 It's very similar to something like that.
00:08:33.000 It's not the first time special forces have used a convenient third-party force to sort of get the quote-unquote get the credit for the kill.
00:08:41.000 In this case, the kill being a pipeline.
00:08:43.000 But also, I think the audience was the German people.
00:08:45.000 It also, by the way, gives them a convenient out if they ever need to throw Zelensky under the bus, if they ever need to cut off funding to Ukraine.
00:08:53.000 You look at things going on now in the East.
00:08:55.000 It's not looking good in Bakhmut and some of these other areas.
00:08:58.000 It gives them an absolute out if they need one for all of this.
00:09:02.000 But I do wonder, Andrew, you know, going with this phone call theory, do you think that they tried to get Schultz to come out and toe the line with them?
00:09:08.000 Do you think that may have been the initial plan to say, all right, we're going to come out and we're going to announce the results of this investigation and make it some big thing?
00:09:16.000 And Schultz was like, no, I'm not doing that.
00:09:17.000 I'm getting on the plane.
00:09:18.000 I'm out of here.
00:09:19.000 I can't go along with it.
00:09:20.000 Just go publish in your newspapers.
00:09:21.000 I think there's two competing theories.
00:09:23.000 One is Schultz was mad as hell and he said, you better fix this.
00:09:28.000 And what's the truth?
00:09:30.000 The other theory is that he said, I need you to tell the German people some different narrative.
00:09:35.000 They need to hear something.
00:09:36.000 You need to give me cover fire right now because.
00:09:38.000 But what both of them show is that Schultz is effectively under the thumb of the Biden administration.
00:09:44.000 That's what it shows.
00:09:45.000 That's what all of these movements show.
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00:10:26.000 What went on with Nord Stream 2 and this pipeline?
00:10:29.000 Why would the U.S. do this?
00:10:31.000 You know, and Andrew, I'd love if we can play.
00:10:34.000 So we've got clip 69.
00:10:37.000 It's Cy Hirsch responding.
00:10:39.000 It sounds like this is his initial reaction, by the way.
00:10:40.000 That's what's so good.
00:10:41.000 It's just audio.
00:10:42.000 But we've got to play this.
00:10:43.000 Play clip 69.
00:10:44.000 It's short, but of Cy Hirsch reacting to the pro-Ukrainian group of Sabbath, you know, that sabotage the pipelines.
00:10:50.000 What?
00:10:51.000 That can't be true. 1.00
00:10:52.000 They can't be that stupid. 1.00
00:10:54.000 Are they that stupid? 1.00
00:10:55.000 All right, what do I care? 1.00
00:10:56.000 I'm going to go look at the New York Times now.
00:10:58.000 Oh, my God.
00:10:59.000 Intelligence suggests Ukrainian. 0.89
00:11:05.000 Oh, my God.
00:11:07.000 Oh, my God.
00:11:08.000 Okay.
00:11:09.000 No, I haven't seen it.
00:11:10.000 No, I can't comment on that stuff.
00:11:13.000 What do I know?
00:11:14.000 I've written a couple of other things about it.
00:11:16.000 I'm going to write something next week again about it.
00:11:18.000 And that's the way I do it.
00:11:20.000 Amazing.
00:11:21.000 I never heard that before.
00:11:22.000 You're telling me that now for the first time.
00:11:24.000 Just hearing it now.
00:11:25.000 I love when we give people's first reaction and stuff.
00:11:28.000 And it's, I think it's the first reaction that everybody basically had to this, that it was just a joke. 0.95
00:11:33.000 It was completely ridiculous.
00:11:35.000 But, but, Andrew, if you'll indulge me, because people are asking also why. 0.53
00:11:40.000 Why would the U.S. do this?
00:11:42.000 Why would the U.S. put this forward?
00:11:44.000 And I want to play this clip from Russell Brand, which I think just lays it out in a very tight way for everybody.
00:11:52.000 Play clip 73.
00:11:54.000 The Nord Stream pipeline, which, you know, was blown up mysteriously.
00:11:59.000 Guess what's happened?
00:11:59.000 Since it's been blown up, the U.S. has done a load of gas deals with European nations.
00:12:04.000 Wow, what an extraordinary coincidence.
00:12:05.000 The U.S. is set to double its gas exports to the UK under plans to clamp down on rising living costs by weaning Britain of Russian energy.
00:12:13.000 That was always the intention to just take over gas exports from Russia.
00:12:17.000 Why?
00:12:18.000 Take my word for it.
00:12:18.000 You simply want to change the structure of energy dependence.
00:12:22.000 You want to change that structure?
00:12:23.000 By blowing it up.
00:12:24.000 For years, we've tried to get the Europeans to be interested in different pipeline routes.
00:12:28.000 It's time to do that.
00:12:29.000 You want to depend more on the North American energy platform, have pipelines that don't go through Ukraine and Russia.
00:12:36.000 But there is a pipeline going through Ukraine and Russia.
00:12:39.000 Not anymore.
00:12:40.000 There isn't.
00:12:40.000 If Russia invades, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2.
00:12:44.000 We will bring an end to it.
00:12:46.000 How will you do that?
00:12:48.000 I promise you, we'll be able to do it.
00:12:50.000 So, nothing to worry about here then.
00:12:52.000 I mean, that's amazing.
00:12:53.000 That's like, that's what John Oliver tries to do, by the way.
00:12:56.000 But the fact that Russell Brand has the truth on his side, he doesn't need these like 10-minute segments and laugh tracks because you're laughing because he's so funny.
00:13:07.000 He's so eloquent.
00:13:09.000 I know Charlie's talked about that.
00:13:11.000 I've talked about that on Human Events Daily, how this is, you know, we always say, you know, it's like the old French line, Sherche Lefemme, you know, look for the woman in international relations.
00:13:20.000 I always say, Sherche Le Petrol, follow the gas, follow the gas.
00:13:26.000 Once you understand that, you'll understand what's going on.
00:13:28.000 But, but, Brad, he just puts it in such a funny way.
00:13:30.000 He's absolutely hilarious.
00:13:31.000 He's very ukulein. 0.94
00:13:32.000 He's very smart.
00:13:33.000 Incredible appearance, by the way, just destroying John Heilman, someone who really had truly deserved it, on Bill Maher this last weekend.
00:13:41.000 And the way he's able to do it in just one minute, whereas John Oliver would have taken a 10-minute segment with piped-in laugh tracks and all the rest, it's absolutely ridiculous.
00:13:51.000 So, I think, I think, Andrew, correct me if I'm wrong, but did is this narrative dead for them?
00:13:56.000 Did they just know that?
00:13:58.000 I think it was dead on arrival.
00:13:59.000 But again, when you put something in the pages of the New York Times, you have to understand that all the mockingbird media are just going to run with it anyways.
00:14:07.000 I have a question, though.
00:14:08.000 I have a question.
00:14:09.000 So, my question is: so, this is the, so if the official story is that Ukraine blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, so are we going to continue financing Ukraine and financing the war because they're just blowing up pipelines all over the world now?
00:14:23.000 Well, no, because Putin's bad.
00:14:25.000 No, no, no, but because it's bad pipeline, bad, right?
00:14:27.000 Because Putin bad.
00:14:29.000 So, but think about it, right?
00:14:30.000 This is a rogue operation that they conducted.
00:14:32.000 It directly targeted, by the way, a rogue operation on a NATO country, which is Germany.
00:14:38.000 Ukraine is not a NATO country.
00:14:40.000 So, you're saying Ukraine did, like, are we going to hold hearings?
00:14:43.000 Are we going to have an investigation?
00:14:45.000 Are they going to call this guy?
00:14:46.000 He was just a Congress last, what, like five weeks ago?
00:14:48.000 Bring him back in.
00:14:49.000 Jack, you're asking, you're asking some very dangerous questions.
00:14:52.000 Hey, Zelly.
00:14:53.000 Hey, Zelly, old buddy old pal.
00:14:56.000 Can we call you up on the phone?
00:14:58.000 Maybe Alexander Vimman could leak us the transcript.
00:15:01.000 The way he's leaking, and we'll talk some more about the way we've got the leaked documents on Andrew Vinman.
00:15:06.000 But it's truly amazing to me that even if you follow through the official narrative of this, even that doesn't make any sense because you then have to say, so wait, we fund this, we support this, we're just going to go along with this. 0.73
00:15:18.000 It's ridiculous. 0.58
00:15:19.000 Adrian, am I wrong here? 0.94
00:15:21.000 No, I mean, I think what you're seeing is a lie compounding on a lie, compounding on another lie, and eventually the lie will collapse on its own logic, right?
00:15:31.000 But the question is, will the media report the truth?
00:15:35.000 And we don't know.
00:15:36.000 It's true.
00:15:37.000 And they don't, and the thing is, they don't expect you to buy it.
00:15:39.000 They expect you to not do anything about it.
00:15:44.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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00:16:44.000 Okay, we are very excited here to have join the discussion, the one, the only Mr. Kash Patel.
00:16:51.000 Cash, thanks Joe Much for joining us here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:16:54.000 Hey, thanks so much for having me.
00:16:55.000 Good to see you again, Jack.
00:16:56.000 I think it was just a couple days ago.
00:16:57.000 We were on stage together.
00:16:58.000 I know you're on stage, but the best panel at CPAC, I'm told.
00:17:02.000 Indeed, for sure.
00:17:04.000 The absolute best.
00:17:04.000 So, so, so, Cash, we've been talking about Nord Stream.
00:17:07.000 We've been talking about this ridiculous story.
00:17:09.000 Cy Hirsch is laughing at them, but I want to switch gears and get into the Jan 6 tapes.
00:17:14.000 And by the way, you did a fantastic job on Tim Pool the other night.
00:17:18.000 Absolutely.
00:17:18.000 Congratulations, though.
00:17:20.000 I have to say, how many of those hoodies do you have, dude?
00:17:23.000 Like, it's every time.
00:17:25.000 It's not the same.
00:17:26.000 It can't be the same.
00:17:27.000 I have two.
00:17:29.000 It's, you know, I appreciate the Tim Pool thing.
00:17:30.000 Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
00:17:31.000 But all the stuff I wear is just for my foundation.
00:17:34.000 And like I said, we're raising money to give away to whistleblowers, to Jan 6 families in need.
00:17:39.000 Actually, ABC just today did a massive hit piece on my foundation for giving away money to whistleblowers and Jan 6 families.
00:17:48.000 They're like, Cash is in legal jeopardy because he didn't do X, Y, or Z.
00:17:51.000 This is exactly what, this is exactly what I was talking about on that stage.
00:17:55.000 And Michael Knowles came up after us and, you know, he understood the assignment where I said, you need to stop looking at hit pieces as something to be scared of.
00:18:05.000 Conservatives need to understand these are badges of honor.
00:18:09.000 If you aren't getting written up, are you even doing anything?
00:18:12.000 And I'll mention that to Media Matters, who are fantastic fans of this show.
00:18:16.000 So please go ahead and write this up.
00:18:18.000 Like we take all of those, we laugh about them.
00:18:20.000 We try to get you to write us up.
00:18:22.000 Do you even understand how this works at this point?
00:18:25.000 You are our free paid promotion.
00:18:27.000 And we thank you so much.
00:18:29.000 This guy at ABC actually followed us around CPAC, stayed in the breakout panels, and then took two weeks.
00:18:36.000 Actually, it seems like he took almost two months writing this thing up.
00:18:38.000 So I'm going to blast out the ABC news story on the Cash Foundation.
00:18:41.000 And then I'm going to say thanks for the new relaunch of the Cash Foundation and go buy this hoodie and go help us fund.
00:18:47.000 You think I'm going to stop funding whistleblowers?
00:18:50.000 I'm going to double down now. 0.97
00:18:51.000 This is the most silly thing I've ever heard it.
00:18:53.000 Are we going to stop helping Jan 6 families or active duty service members who are sidelined because of their beliefs in not taking the jab and things like that? 0.94
00:19:02.000 No.
00:19:02.000 Well, I'm just going to go more harder.
00:19:04.000 Well, let me ask you about that because we had that incredible moment with Ashley Babbitt's mother and we were able to give her standing ovation at CPAC.
00:19:11.000 I think that was just one of those special moments that just kind of happens.
00:19:14.000 But, you know, switching it back to the tapes.
00:19:17.000 So the Tucker Carlson access to the tapes, the tapes have come out.
00:19:22.000 It hasn't been a ton of footage yet, but what's come out, I think, has been phenomenal at what we've got.
00:19:27.000 But I want to ask you from your perspective, because you've got the legal mind on this because you've been in these cases, you've been on both sides of it.
00:19:35.000 What would you have done with access to these tapes?
00:19:39.000 So as, you know, putting on like my former federal public defender hat where I defended lots of these types of cases, where you score big usually is when you can show a Brady violation.
00:19:50.000 Is the government had a piece of evidence that showed somehow your client may have been innocent?
00:19:55.000 Not that it exonerates him, but just maybe.
00:19:58.000 And that's that word is exculpatory evidence, right?
00:20:02.000 And so, video footage of like you know, the whole scene that's pretty powerful stuff.
00:20:06.000 It's the best type of evidence, like maybe, I don't know, a police officer opening the doors, beckoning you in, and then escorting you down the hallway, right?
00:20:13.000 And then being charged with trespassing.
00:20:15.000 That's pretty, that's pretty good stuff.
00:20:17.000 So, I, you know, I'm glad some of the material is getting out there.
00:20:20.000 I think I would have taken a different approach rather than release, you know, QAnon Shannon or whatever that guy's name is.
00:20:26.000 I can never remember it.
00:20:28.000 It's too many, too many vowels in one short little area there.
00:20:31.000 But he's kind of a divisive character.
00:20:34.000 And, you know, he got charged with a couple of crimes and he got sentenced and pled out to like, I think, 42 months or something.
00:20:40.000 I probably would have gone with, you know, there's like 500 or so individuals charged with very low-level misdemeanors or very low-level felonies, basically just trespassing, like being somewhere they shouldn't.
00:20:52.000 And if you could have a defense attorney find video footage that says my guy was charged with this bogus trespass and incarcerated for it, and we actually have video footage, like you said, Jack, of the police officer saying, come on in.
00:21:04.000 That's the one I kind of would have led with because it would have literally shown the Department of Justice withholding evidence, lying to a federal court, overcharging a defendant, even though they knew he was innocent, just because they could ram him through the system.
00:21:20.000 That's the ultimate way to piecemeal through that.
00:21:22.000 But it's a big lift.
00:21:24.000 You have to get defense attorneys to go look at all this video.
00:21:27.000 You have to then have the gall to go into federal court and say the DOJ lied.
00:21:31.000 It's not easy to do.
00:21:32.000 I've done it.
00:21:32.000 You get attacked mercilessly for it.
00:21:34.000 But if you could prove that in one of these cases, I think that would have been a better route because more people who are less agitated on either side of Jan 6 could have said, oh, wait, look at that.
00:21:46.000 I think you're exactly right.
00:21:48.000 And by the way, I appreciate the fact that we've had so far, I've only seen two people actually in positions of power speak out on the fact that we still have these detainees that are behind bars, some of them without trial, some of them who are sitting there for, as you say, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, taking pictures, taking selfies.
00:22:09.000 Norm McDonald had that great tweet up.
00:22:11.000 The great Norm McDonald had that tweet up about how the violent terrorists were abiding by the velvet ropes as they walked through Statuary Hall.
00:22:18.000 And the only people that I've seen speak out about this, President Trump, of course, has come out and said they should all be released.
00:22:23.000 And then President Bukele, El Presidente, down in El Salvador, they've actually said more about the Jan 6 detainees than any sitting elected Republican.
00:22:32.000 Gosh, what is going on with this party?
00:22:35.000 You know, wow, I don't know if I know the whole answer to that, but as a former federal prosecutor who did, you know, who requested detention of actual terrorists, I know people, you know, my concern is due process.
00:22:47.000 Did some of these people by the way, like people who are trying to blow up a police facility down in Atlanta?
00:22:52.000 For just, you know, just as an example, a total hypothetical that I bring off the top of my head.
00:22:55.000 Right, right.
00:22:56.000 It's just a coincidence, Jack.
00:22:57.000 These things don't happen.
00:22:59.000 But my thing is due process.
00:23:01.000 And it's not just the DOJ.
00:23:02.000 You can't have these detentions take place without the judges saying, okay, I agree with you, DOJ.
00:23:08.000 I'm remanding everyone to custody.
00:23:10.000 That's my problem.
00:23:11.000 What you're doing is trying to slow roll people into plea agreements because you're like, oh, you're in detention.
00:23:17.000 And, you know, we'll get to your trial in like a year and a half.
00:23:19.000 And now it's been two years.
00:23:21.000 I'm not saying all of them shouldn't be, but some of them should be released.
00:23:25.000 Can you explain that for everybody?
00:23:26.000 Because we hear this all the time.
00:23:27.000 Media says, oh, they pled guilty.
00:23:28.000 They pled guilty.
00:23:29.000 But again, they beat and beat and beat people.
00:23:31.000 They do this, do this with Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman. 0.61
00:23:34.000 They say, well, he pled guilty.
00:23:36.000 He pled guilty.
00:23:37.000 Why is it that they want the plea deal so bad?
00:23:40.000 Why do they push people into it?
00:23:42.000 And why do people eventually sign it sometimes?
00:23:44.000 Look, as a public defender who did probably thousands of cases and tried 60 jury trials to verdict, it's because it's the fastest resolution of the case.
00:23:54.000 And also for the defendant who you're representing, you're like, hey, we'll get to your trial in like a year.
00:23:59.000 Sorry, I'm going to work my tail off to get to your trial.
00:24:01.000 Or the government comes in and says, okay, six months jail time, you got to plead guilty and then you're out.
00:24:07.000 It's just the nature of the justice system, unfortunately.
00:24:11.000 especially when your client is incarcerated.
00:24:12.000 If they're out on bond, totally separate story.
00:24:15.000 They can ride it out, do their thing, live their life.
00:24:18.000 But most of these individuals on Jan 6 have been denied bond.
00:24:21.000 And I think that's where the crux of the problem is.
00:24:23.000 A lot of these judges said, there's two things you have to evaluate when you're looking at bond.
00:24:27.000 Which is totally unconstitutional because as you say, we have video of them not committing.
00:24:31.000 They're not using violence.
00:24:32.000 They're not committing violence.
00:24:33.000 They're the wrong place at all time.
00:24:34.000 It was a horrible misunderstanding.
00:24:36.000 Again, not talking about like the 50 to 75 people that actually committed violence.
00:24:40.000 By the way, many of whom who are still not even been arrested, the people who took down the barricades, for example, people like Ray Epps that were actively urging people to go into the Capitol, people cutting down fences.
00:24:50.000 Those have never been identified, even though we have them on video.
00:24:54.000 Well, he's an FBI source.
00:24:56.000 It'll come out eventually, is my opinion.
00:24:58.000 Because you don't need to identify your own assets.
00:25:02.000 You could break the law.
00:25:04.000 But that's my problem is this two-tier system of justice, whether it's Jan 6 or Hunter Biden or what have you, insert whatever, Mar-a-Lago, RussiaGate.
00:25:14.000 They've just created this multi-tier system of justice in America, and the judges have allowed them to do it.
00:25:19.000 They can't do it on their own at DOJ.
00:25:22.000 And we've got a judicial branch, not entirely, but in some part, especially the concentration in D.C., that for some reason has said, you could be a federal prosecutor, you could be a federal lawyer, a Democrat, and literally bomb a New York Police Department police vehicle car with Molotov cocktails, set the thing ablaze and destroy it.
00:25:45.000 And the DOJ will throw out all the minimum mandatory requirements, all of the rules, and the judge will essentially give you probation and thank you on the way out at the sentencing hearing.
00:25:55.000 Literally, oh, you're a good person.
00:25:57.000 You're a good person for setting a law enforcement vehicle on fire.
00:26:00.000 Who of the January 6th people that are detained in prison right now set a cop car on fire?
00:26:07.000 And Charlie and I are going to get into this very subject next segment when we come in, well, in the next hour, when he comes back and we're going to talk about Atlanta, we're going to talk about the exact same situation and the fact that they were using these tactics, these firebomb tactics.
00:26:19.000 But cash, there is another point here that I think people understand is that, and I'd love to see if there could be perhaps a congressional remedy for this or a federal remedy.
00:26:29.000 If you're a Republican or a Trump supporter, there's no way you get a fair trial in D.C. There's just no way.
00:26:35.000 Oh, yeah.
00:26:35.000 That's, I mean, look, we saw what happened to Sussman during Durham.
00:26:39.000 We saw what happened to Denchenko, anything related to Trump world, you're not getting a fair trial by this.
00:26:44.000 And then Bannon, Stone, Flynn, et cetera.
00:26:47.000 And the only thing, so look, this DOJ has masterminded jurisdiction in the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. Jurisdiction does not have to reside in Washington, D.C. They've chosen that on purpose.
00:27:01.000 The only way to fix it is you got to take back DOJ and have an attorney general saying, you know what?
00:27:06.000 I found venue jurisdiction in Kansas, and that's where these guys are going or Texas or Idaho.
00:27:11.000 There's a lot of different ways to get jurisdiction established.
00:27:14.000 They just rest on the easy, easy button that says, we're going to do it in Washington, D.C. because it's Washington, D.C. Right, because I've sat through, I've sat through jury selection in these trials.
00:27:23.000 I was, I was in, in every single one of the cases that I just mentioned, with the exception of Flynn, because I didn't go to a jury.
00:27:29.000 I sat through the jury selection and it's just like lib after lib.
00:27:33.000 It just comes up on the jury, every single one.
00:27:35.000 So if you've got Donald Trump associated with you in any way, you're done.
00:27:39.000 There's no chance.
00:27:40.000 You're just done.
00:27:41.000 No, you're absolutely right.
00:27:42.000 And it's literally the destruction.
00:27:44.000 The flip side is the opposite, obviously.
00:27:46.000 It's the destruction of the jury system and the judicial process in the United States of America in 2022 and 2023, which I literally never thought we would actually be talking about.
00:27:56.000 But you have to have a DOJ that's willing to see that for what it is, like you called it out.
00:28:04.000 And they just don't care.
00:28:05.000 They're just like, here's our safety net.
00:28:07.000 We can build as crappy of a case as humanly possible. 0.98
00:28:09.000 And as long as we take it to a DC judge and a DC jury and we say Trump, they're just going to be like, you're dead.
00:28:15.000 Which ultimately, of course, that's what Merrick Garland is weighing right now with this grand jury on President Trump, which, of course, he knows that if he convicts, if he's willing to convict Trump in the jurisdiction of Washington, D.C., that he will be convicted by a DC jury.
00:28:30.000 He will.
00:28:31.000 Yeah.
00:28:31.000 And I think you're right.
00:28:32.000 And I think there's some jurisdictional arguments there for the president, especially since he resides in Mar-a-Lago in South Florida.
00:28:39.000 And, you know, the events took place in Mar-a-Lago.
00:28:42.000 They'll say it was taken from D.C.
00:28:44.000 Yeah.
00:28:44.000 So it was taken from the White House.
00:28:46.000 The White House is in D.C. They'll find jurisdiction, et cetera.
00:28:48.000 They'll find it right.
00:28:49.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:28:51.000 You're totally right.
00:28:52.000 That's the problem with this, these government gangsters like Garland and Ray.
00:28:55.000 I mean, you've literally read the book.
00:28:58.000 They do it because they can.
00:29:01.000 Now, Producer Andrew, you had a question for Cash regarding these Gen 6 tapes.
00:29:06.000 And I know people were saying that I've been stepping on your line.
00:29:09.000 So I want you to be able to ask the question, please, Andrew.
00:29:12.000 The floor is yours.
00:29:15.000 Glad you're learning your lesson.
00:29:17.000 Don't let anybody tell you that Jack Pesobic is not teachable.
00:29:20.000 I will tell you.
00:29:21.000 I may be Polish, but yeah.
00:29:24.000 All right.
00:29:24.000 So, so this started again, Jack.
00:29:27.000 You and I had a late night conversation as we're talking about today's show, and we were both surprised.
00:29:33.000 I think it's fair to say that we did not see more J6 footage.
00:29:38.000 And then you start contrasting that with some of the media meltdown that we saw.
00:29:43.000 And you saw it from legislators.
00:29:44.000 You saw it from Chuck Schumer.
00:29:46.000 So, Cash, I'm very curious to get your take on what you think's happening behind the scenes.
00:29:50.000 You know, Bannon's come out hard on this.
00:29:53.000 We saw tweets from Cheryl Atkinson, you know, alleging that there was backroom discussions and Tucker basically took the night off.
00:30:02.000 So I want to play this clip here: 66.
00:30:05.000 This is Chuck Schumer yesterday.
00:30:07.000 This clip went viral.
00:30:08.000 We all saw it, but I want to play it again and look specifically: is this a veiled threat?
00:30:15.000 And then everything that's going on behind the scenes with Fox with the Dominion lawsuit, $1.6 billion hanging over Rupert Murdoch's head.
00:30:22.000 Play cut 66.
00:30:23.000 Let's talk about it.
00:30:25.000 These lies continue tonight.
00:30:28.000 Rupert Murdoch, who has admitted they were lies and said he regretted it, has a special obligation to stop Tucker Carlson from going on tonight now that he's seen how he has perverted and slimed the truth and from letting him go on again and again and again.
00:30:50.000 Not because their views deserve such opprobrium, but because our democracy depends on it.
00:30:57.000 Ah, so Cash, because democracy, you've got to take Tucker Carlson off the chessboard.
00:31:04.000 What's going on here?
00:31:05.000 It's Democratic, by the way.
00:31:06.000 Yeah, it's very Democratic, right?
00:31:08.000 Let's suppress free speech.
00:31:10.000 Extreme democracy.
00:31:12.000 So I think what, look, take a page out of Donald Trump's book.
00:31:15.000 Just keep it simple.
00:31:18.000 Simply, the characters involved don't want anything about January 6th out there to alter the narrative that the fake news media and the unselect committee have established, which is everybody there was an insurrectionist, guilty of treason and sedition.
00:31:34.000 And there's no possible way anyone was overcharged or is in detention that shouldn't be.
00:31:39.000 They don't want that narrative touched.
00:31:42.000 And what Tucker is doing by, or anybody is doing by putting out the videotape, is threatening, like we talked about in the prior segment, threatening the structure of that reality or fiction that they've created, in my opinion.
00:31:54.000 And then when you combine the legal efforts, even Rupert Murdoch's not, you know, impervious to $1.6 billion lawsuit.
00:31:59.000 That's a lot of money.
00:32:00.000 So I think they all get together.
00:32:02.000 And Schumer specifically knows the heads of Fox News, the board, the ownership, the new management team, they don't like Trump.
00:32:10.000 So they have an out to cast their fishing rod line there and say, hey, pull this down.
00:32:19.000 The reason, by the way, though, for the importance of the Jan 6 narrative and that why they freak so much out and that you can see the Uniparty really just spreading their arms out to protect this thing so much is because that's how they get away with essentially explaining away the color revolution that we saw domestically here in the United States in 2020. 0.61
00:32:41.000 They can get away with the George Floyd riots.
00:32:43.000 They can get away with Antifa.
00:32:45.000 They can get away with lockdowns, but not locking them down.
00:32:47.000 They can get away with the attacks in Portland.
00:32:49.000 They can get away with Seattle and the shootings and Chaz and all the craziness that took place there. 0.69
00:32:53.000 All the insanity of 2020.
00:32:55.000 They can get away with it by saying, don't think about that.
00:32:57.000 January 6th.
00:32:59.000 You must remember January 6th.
00:33:01.000 January 6th is the only thing that happened.
00:33:03.000 And all of the things that we did, including the military occupation and militarization of Washington, D.C., under which Joe Biden took his oath of office on January 20th, 2021, just 14 days after January 6th, it was all justified because of January 6th.
00:33:22.000 Even though obviously one happened before the other, everything that we did with the ballots, everything that we did with drop boxes, it was all done because of January 6th.
00:33:29.000 Don't you see?
00:33:30.000 That's why it's so important, Cash.
00:33:32.000 No, you're right.
00:33:32.000 And the political optics and the hypocrisy of it, you know, when I was chief of staff at DOD, when and now it's been proven unequivocally that Donald Trump acted preemptively to authorize the security posture of 20,000 National Guards, men and women there.
00:33:44.000 And Pelosi and Schumer and company refused it, but then flipped to the Biden inauguration and they wanted downtown D.C. to look like downtown Kandahar.
00:33:53.000 They cared more about optics than actual security.
00:33:56.000 And the only person that did care about security was Donald Trump.
00:33:59.000 He acted and they shut it down.
00:34:01.000 Cash, where can people go to get more information?
00:34:03.000 Where can they find your coordinates?
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