00:00:51.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:33.000I consider you to be the foremost thinker on this topic.
00:01:36.000You know, Alex, one of the hardest parts of my job is when I do these college things, I have to be at least fluent or, you know, at least pretty well educated on about 500 different topics.
00:01:48.000And the one that kids want to talk about the most is the environmental topic, right?
00:01:53.000And so as this was happening, this is actually a clip from early March.
00:01:57.000Right afterwards, I told Andrew, I said, we got to have Alex back on the program.
00:02:00.000Listen to what he was saying and just ignore my response.
00:02:13.000So we're going to play 84 and then 85.
00:02:15.000And, you know, you'll see the crowd chanting and stuff.
00:02:17.000Play cut 84 and then play cut 85, please.
00:02:21.000Given that you believe human beings are exacerbating climate change, shouldn't you agree that we ought to transition away from fossil fuels?
00:03:47.000The first one, I think the first one, what I want to highlight is the framing, because often it's the problem with the question is the framing of the question.
00:03:55.000So, notice he said, Do you agree that human beings are exacerbating climate change?
00:04:00.000So, based it that is focusing, and I'll give you the quick answer, but I just want to sort of frame, I want to step back and think about how to think about it.
00:04:07.000So, one is he's making climate change the only issue.
00:04:10.000He's totally ignoring the benefits of fossil fuels, including the fact that fossil fuels make us safer from climate than ever.
00:04:17.000We have a 98% decline in climate-related disaster deaths, largely thanks to things like fossil fuel irrigation, fossil fuel heating, fossil fuel cooling, etc.
00:04:25.000So, the way so he's focusing on just the side effects, and then he's also assuming that they're negative.
00:04:30.000Notice he said exacerbating climate change.
00:04:33.000In his mind, there's nothing, there's no such thing as positive climate change that we could contribute to.
00:04:38.000And yet, part of our climate change is greening, which is very positive overall.
00:04:43.000And then, even warming is significantly positive in a world where far more die from cold than from heat.
00:04:47.000That doesn't mean it's only positive, but so what I'm going to notice is he's got this bias against climate is the only issue, and then all our impact is negative.
00:04:55.000And then he's sort of asking you to respond and just neutralize that.
00:04:59.000Whereas, what I would say is, no, no, it's an absolute fact that fossil fuels have dramatically decreased climate danger.
00:05:23.000Yeah, so that one, I think, what you know, it's with the EVs.
00:05:28.000So, I think the point to make about EVs is people think about them as magic.
00:05:33.000So, when they think about fossil fuels and fossil-fueled vehicles, they think of them only in terms of negative side effects.
00:05:38.000And when they think of solar, wind, and batteries, they think of them as magically positive, only talk about positives, don't talk about negatives, including the biggest negative of all of those things is not all the mining consequences, though those are real.
00:05:52.000It's that solar and wind can't provide low-cost, truly reliable electricity, let alone all of our energy, and that EVs are not cost-effective for the vast majority of people now, let alone with our declining grid.
00:06:05.000I think it is legitimate to talk about the negative environmental impacts, and particularly the fact that the so-called green movement is totally ignoring them.
00:06:13.000They're ignoring slave labor, they're ignoring where these supply chains are, they're ignoring that they're in China.
00:06:19.000And what this shows me is that the focus is not really on having cleaner, better energy, it's just finding some excuse to attack fossil fuels.
00:06:27.000And then, when they discover that green energy is not green, then they'll just attack that too, because the root of this is just a hostility toward human impact.
00:06:35.000This is why you see more and more like Greta was just protesting against some windmills.
00:06:38.000They are against impact, and if you're against impact, you're against all energy because energy is impact.
00:06:44.000I think that's really smart, and you have to call out the inconsistencies on the greeny side.
00:07:16.000Yes, it's technically 2032, and it's but it's really devious, right?
00:07:21.000Because this is the Environmental Protection Agency, which, if it's supposed to do anything, is like setting reasonable thresholds for clean air where we have relatively clean air, but we can also prosper and enjoy our lives.
00:07:32.000And instead, what they're using it for is to dictate what percentage of EVs we should drive.
00:07:38.000It's currently around 6% of new vehicles, and they're saying that within less than 10 years, it should be 67%.
00:07:45.000This means forcing on us vehicles that we do not want to drive and also forcing EVs on us in a situation where the Biden administration is destroying reliable electricity.
00:07:55.000So they have plans to gut the reliability of the grid, which has already been partially gutted in the next seven years.
00:08:01.000And then they're saying, we're going to destroy reliable electricity and then we're going to radically increase demand for reliable electricity.
00:08:25.000You see here in the, you say here in the tweet, create a huge new demand for reliable electricity on a grid that is declining in reliable electricity supply.
00:08:34.000I think that's really smart, a point you made.
00:08:36.000People look at this as if it is, it's magic.
00:08:58.000Yeah, because people will say, I know a Tesla, that's not an inferior car.
00:09:02.000But inferiority and superiority are a matter of cost effectiveness.
00:09:06.000So how much value do you get for how much you have to pay?
00:09:09.000And for the vast majority of people, the most cost-effective option by far is a gasoline vehicle that is cheaper, but maybe even more important, it's more effective.
00:09:18.000So it allows you to, you know, it has, it's easier to quote unquote charge.
00:09:22.000You fill it up at three minutes in the gas station versus going to some supercharger that takes a long time.
00:09:28.000It doesn't have the same range issues in part because of the charging speed, in part because the gas stations are much more, you know, much more, much more common than EV type charging stations.
00:09:37.000And this is, this is the, the thing I want to emphasize is the force because I'm all for EVs competing on the market.
00:09:43.000There are certain advantages to EVs, but right now, for most people, there are more disadvantages than advantages.
00:09:48.000And as I also stress, it's really, really important that EVs make you far more dependent on government because government controls the grid.
00:10:50.000So you're having centralized control by an administration and by a movement that is hostile to energy.
00:10:56.000This is really terrifying, and we really need to wake up.
00:10:59.000Centralized control of people that can't run a border or get weapons out of Afghanistan.
00:11:03.000That's who we should allow control our lives.
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00:12:20.000I want to make sure I mention your book, Fossil Future.
00:12:23.000So, Alex, you have a very, I think, effective way of framing this.
00:12:27.000Let me just ask you another question here: Charlie, why wouldn't we want to have government subsidies towards electric vehicles or green energy?
00:12:50.000No, no, no, I'm talking to the questioner.
00:12:52.000I'm talking, I wasn't confused about that.
00:12:55.000So, if you're really saying it's the future, I mean, you're saying this can be more cost-effective, including giving you more value with less pollution.
00:13:04.000And so, if that's the case, what you need is the same thing you need for any other superior product, which is freedom.
00:13:09.000So, if you're focused on, hey, I think there are promising forms of green energy, make sure we have things like the freedom to develop land, which we definitely don't in the U.S.
00:13:17.000I mean, you notice the Biden administration just shut down a huge mining project in Minnesota after claiming they want domestic minerals.
00:13:27.000So, I think there are promising alternatives, but they need to be liberated from actually the green movement, which is really the anti-impact movement.
00:13:35.000If you're talking about subsidizing, why not subsidize and mandate inferior things?
00:13:40.000Well, why don't I just force you to do an inferior thing?
00:13:43.000That just means that your life is worse.
00:13:47.000And with solar and wind, it's particularly insidious because the way the subsidies work is that we, the grid policies, make us pay more money for unreliable electricity as reliable electricity.
00:13:59.000So, that's like you go to a rental car place and you're forced to pay more for a car that works a third of the time than a car that works all the time.
00:14:05.000Imagine what that would do to the rental car market.
00:14:07.000Well, that's what it's done to the grid.
00:14:09.000So, we have more and more incentive to shut down reliable power plants and to spin up unreliable power plants, which is why, as I mentioned, we've got a threatened 20% decline in our already too low level of reliable electricity today.
00:14:21.000So, stop subsidizing unreliable, inferior things and liberate superior things.
00:14:27.000I mean, I can't help but think, Alex, outside of the environmental considerations, there is an agenda, a nefarious plot to just restrict human liberty and freedom.
00:14:38.000I think environmentalism is a gateway for technological tyranny.
00:14:47.000Yeah, you could put it even more strongly than that, because in a sense, yeah, it's obvious.
00:14:51.000I mean, historically, Ayn Rand has this great book, The New Left, where she documented, and others did it too, that the whole green movement was an attempt by the left to continue to support anti-capitalism after capitalism had proved that it could out-produce socialism.
00:15:06.000So, the old left supported socialism, capitalism was clearly superior.
00:15:10.000So, what the left unfortunately did was they abandoned industry, right?
00:15:12.000Instead of embracing industry and then embracing capitalism, they rejected industry with this whole idea that impact is wrong.
00:15:19.000So, in a sense, there's the watermelon phenomenon of green on the outside, red on the inside.
00:15:24.000But from another perspective, the green perspective is just fundamentally anti-freedom because it says human impact on nature is immoral and inevitably self-destructive.
00:15:34.000Well, if impact is immoral, we survive by impact.
00:15:58.000She analyzes the campus protests of the 1960s and the ideology of the new left, concluding that far from rebelling, they were slavishly following every basic idea of their teachers, and that far from being idealistic, they were attacking the key foundations of a rational, free society.
00:16:15.000Riff on that for a minute, Alex, as we conclude.
00:16:23.000It's basically saying that these people who are so-called rebels were actually just employing like the subjectivist relativist ideas that they got from their stodgy old white professors and also collectivist ideas.
00:16:35.000And what she's saying is the radical ideas are individualism.
00:16:38.000And that's what she's advocating, what I advocate.
00:16:40.000That's what we need a movement for is individualism and freedom.
00:16:43.000And we should see that as the most progressive thing.
00:16:45.000Collectivism, statism, anti-freedom, those are regressive.
00:16:48.000That's why I don't call them progress.
00:16:50.000Yeah, tribalism, sectarianism, trying to say that your rights come from a group.
00:16:54.000It's regressive and it would bring us back.
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00:19:08.000My new town hall piece basically argues that the left uses the idea that everything is normal, that the institutions are functioning, that everything works, that, for example, we have a justice system that's not a biased machine designed to free criminals and persecute the political opponents of the regime.
00:19:27.000And, you know, a lot of these sucker squish Republicans fall for.
00:19:32.000You know, when you hear them say, Well, we need to hear what the jury has to say.
00:19:43.000What Soros did by going in and buying the district attorney offices in a bunch of counties across the United States, what he did is he took a position that had a lot of leeway, a lot of discretion, because where it was a Republican or a Democrat, they usually just prosecuted criminals, but now they abuse that discretion.
00:20:04.000So you see people using self-defense like Daniel Perry in Texas or the family attacked at their own home in Missouri, and suddenly they're being prosecuted for self-defense.
00:20:17.000Well, actual criminals are going free.
00:20:19.000And of course, two words, Alvin Bragg.
00:20:22.000And so there is this attitude that exists in especially 60 or 70-year-old Republican circles where they're outraged on the surface, but then you really dive into it and they say, oh, I mean, there's no way this can continue.
00:21:04.000I think people are thinking this is still the system that we always had.
00:21:07.000And look, when I was growing up, because I'm about 108 years older than you, but 307 years younger than Biden, everything was getting better.
00:21:18.000The 70s were kind of problematic, but the 80s were great.
00:21:48.000They said, like regime media people still demand to be treated as neutral truth tellers who are speaking truth to power and afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afflicted.
00:22:03.000The system changed when they changed components of it, when they stopped doing the things necessary for the system to exist and to function.
00:22:12.000And when they did that, we stopped having a system, but there are a lot of Republicans out there who are afraid to face the reality.
00:22:50.000In the Battle of Kenai, when Hannibal surrounds all the Romans, Romans, toughest soldiers in the world, and they're getting butchered.
00:22:59.000And when they found, and after the Carthaginians killed them all, they found some of the Romans had just buried their head in the sand because they couldn't take the fact that the world had turned upside down, that they were no longer the strongest, no longer the best, and that they were, you know, they were going to die.
00:23:16.000Like ostriches, they bury their heads in the sand, literally.
00:23:59.000you know, sorry that this happened on your watch, but it happened on your watch.
00:24:04.000Your duty is to fight for our interests, not to pretend, not to try and have an easy way out, not to stick your head in the sand, but to fight for the interests of the American people.
00:24:16.000And I think that really is the issue: people do not want to look over the edge of the abyss.
00:24:21.000They'd be rather like, oh, this is fine.
00:24:25.000I got in a debate with somebody the other day.
00:24:26.000They said, Charlie, this Trump thing, it's really going to be a good thing because then he'll be able to fight it and he'll get acquitted by a jury of his peers.
00:24:35.000And we have to let the process play out.
00:25:10.000I think we need to do that for the folks who are not based, for the normal people who are out there going, you know, there's something wrong.
00:28:11.000They stole money from they stole money from upper-middle-class white liberals in like suburban Oklahoma City or Norman, Oklahoma, and they bought a mansion in Malibu, California.
00:28:23.000Look, look, I think an aggressive attorney general should be doing that.
00:28:27.000But there's not asking those and going through the legal process because we have to let the legal process play through, right?
00:28:34.000Or do we only do that for conservatives?
00:28:38.000And I think part of the issue, and this is human nature, so I want your thoughts on this on this as we close out this segment, Kurt, is that the trappings of America, the trappings of Western society, we have a lot of wealth, a lot of free time, a lot of luxury.
00:28:52.000And I think people are afraid, literally afraid, to leave comfort and to go into the fight.
00:29:00.000The only good wrinkle I see out of mass inflation and America becoming poor is that people might actually be willing to get involved in political activism again is because you're actually going to be super poor.
00:29:10.000And I know that sounds really sick and twisted, but it's actually true.
00:29:15.000It's like, okay, you can't go on a vacation.
00:29:17.000Maybe you should actually fight for your country.
00:29:19.000But, you know, you look human, human nature is like that.
00:29:24.000Most people want to live nice, comfortable lives.
00:29:27.000Unfortunately, and I think it's going to be a problem for them down the road.
00:29:32.000The cultural Marxists have decided they can't tolerate that.
00:31:22.000So, now one people, somebody's going to be in control, and the mature adults that want to protect children are going to be in control, not the perverts or the twerking trans peoples.
00:31:30.000Kurt, I want to ask you about California politics.
00:31:33.000Diane Feinstein is not going to run for re-election, so it started the most bizarre Game of Thrones situation we've seen.
00:31:40.000It's basically who can be the greatest trans anti-racist.
00:31:45.000And I mean, this thing is a total clown car.
00:31:48.000I mean, we have a lot of different people.
00:31:50.000We got Adam Schiff, Katie Porter, Representative Barbara Lee.
00:33:00.000I mean, you know, as a noted carbohydrate advocate, you would think that that would be a very, very cheap.
00:33:06.000She definitely gets her, she gets her fair share of carbs.
00:33:09.000I mean, you look at her and she is just like, she's every obnoxious, woke, Trader Joe Chardonnay swilling wine woman who screws up your PTA meetings.
00:33:24.000You know, and she is, you know, she definitely drives the Prius with the saddest suspension in all of automotive history.
00:33:34.000And on the back of it, she has both a coexist bumper sticker and an exterminate right-wing lunatics bumper sticker.