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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:20.000 It is July 8th, and we are in the midst of the preliminary hearing week.

00:01:25.000 And as the schedule goes, they're taking this morning off.

00:01:29.000 So we have a normal show, which is actually kind of nice in the middle of the week because there's a ton of other news going on.

00:01:36.000 The world has not stopped.

00:01:38.000 Nope.

00:01:38.000 To say the least.

00:01:39.000 Even though it feels like that a little bit for me personally, because what do we do?

00:01:42.000 We do the show about the preliminary hearing, and then we get done with the show.

00:01:46.000 Done with the show, and then we watch the preliminary, and then we do a post show.

00:01:50.000 But it is.

00:01:50.000 But actually, in fact, more news than normal is happening.

00:01:53.000 And it's even occurred to me it's a lot of stories that I think a mix of ones Charlie would have found very important, like with the rant, and also ones he would have found pretty entertaining.

00:02:03.000 You know, Charlie would really love laying into Graham Platner.

00:02:08.000 Is Mitch McConnell dead?

00:02:09.000 Yeah, we'd get all over that.

00:02:10.000 We have a great.

00:02:12.000 Series of guests today, by the way.

00:02:13.000 We got just going to start out the gate strong with Sean Davis, one of our absolute favorites.

00:02:17.000 Then we've got Scott Jennings, who we're going to ask is Mitch McConnell dead?

00:02:22.000 Is he, are we, weekend at Bernie's kind of thing or whatever?

00:02:25.000 Got Cam Higby, and then we got Alex Marlowe.

00:02:28.000 So just a total amazing run of show today.

00:02:31.000 Sean, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:02:34.000 Good to be back.

00:02:34.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:35.000 So listen, you know, you're welcome back.

00:02:38.000 You are one of those people.

00:02:39.000 If you say, I want to come on, which you never do, I'm always the one asking, but you know, I would just find a place for you.

00:02:45.000 So it's great to have you.

00:02:47.000 I want to start kind of with the biggie on the eye chart here, which is the preliminary hearing.

00:02:51.000 I've seen you active on social media.

00:02:55.000 Explain to me how you think that's going, and then I want to get into the Iran stuff.

00:02:59.000 Yeah, the whole hearing thing is a little weird because I guess they don't do the grand jury thing in Utah.

00:03:04.000 So it's kind of wrapping your head around it when you're used to someone being indicted and then they just end up being tried on the case.

00:03:12.000 It's a little quirky.

00:03:13.000 So we're seeing a lot of very preliminary stuff.

00:03:16.000 They're having to clear this bar of is there enough evidence to charge this guy?

00:03:20.000 And, you know, from what I've seen so far, I thought it was a pretty strong case before all the proceedings started this week.

00:03:29.000 And I've moved from, yeah, it's a pretty strong case to kind of, it's like, it's not just open and shut, it's a slam dunk case.

00:03:36.000 They know exactly what Tyler Robinson was doing, they know where he was, they know when he was, they've got his DNA on everything.

00:03:43.000 I don't expect it's going to be a long trial once the actual trial begins, but I've actually been surprised by how overwhelming the evidence is against Tyler Robinson.

00:03:53.000 Yeah, I mean, there's also kind of the social media of it all, right?

00:03:58.000 It's something that we've had to kind of be forced to experience firsthand, right?

00:04:03.000 With all the conspiracy theories, with all the noise.

00:04:07.000 It feels, and man, I've gotten so many texts to this effect.

00:04:10.000 It feels like the tide is turning.

00:04:13.000 It becomes incredibly difficult to hold certain conspiracy theories when you find out there's video evidence of him being on campus four times that day, or when you find out that his DNA is on all the objects that were found on the rooftop where we have video of him going up on the rooftop and dropping down, and so on and so forth.

00:04:32.000 What do you think of the state of the internet right now and the social media of it all?

00:04:38.000 And what has been the most, I guess, breakthrough bombshell piece of evidence that we've seen so far from your eyes?

00:04:45.000 Yeah, you know, the internet's a weird place.

00:04:48.000 It's so hard to tell if what you're seeing on it is representative of everyone or whether it's just a particular corner of the internet is really loud.

00:04:55.000 And there was a corner of the internet that was super, super loud.

00:04:59.000 These are the people who just like think everything they see in real life is true crime and they're a part of the case.

00:05:05.000 They get to go solve this case.

00:05:07.000 And they can go a little crazy.

00:05:10.000 You know, I think the crazy was running rampant for a little while, just with bonkers theories everywhere.

00:05:15.000 And look, I don't have a problem with people being skeptical of an official government story.

00:05:20.000 I think that's generally pretty healthy.

00:05:22.000 But at some point, you actually have to use your brain and be like, well, do the facts fit the case here?

00:05:28.000 And in this one, they absolutely do.

00:05:30.000 I think the DNA evidence is pretty overwhelming, not surprising, but overwhelming.

00:05:34.000 And then just the way they were able to track him kind of casing everything, moving about.

00:05:39.000 Um, the meticulousness which they have tracked him, um, I think is pretty uh amazing.

00:05:47.000 That was stuff we hadn't seen so far, and so I think, as far as like some of the crazies, you may have had people who are thinking, like, yeah, yeah, you know, I assume Tyler Robinson did it, but I have some questions about this and about that.

00:05:58.000 I think you're going to even see that level of skepticism start to fade away as people are like, yeah, you know, it was this was an interesting thing to muse about when there was a vacuum and nothing big going on, but now that the rubber's.

00:06:11.000 You know, has met the road.

00:06:13.000 They were actually to the point where we're going to be able to convict and then hold accountable the person who did it.

00:06:18.000 I think you're going to see a lot of the nuttiness and a lot of the craziness kind of just melt away.

00:06:23.000 I'm hoping you're right, Sean, although I'm also paying attention and it's very easy to see there are a good number of people where I just think they come in with motivated reasoning.

00:06:32.000 They've always been committed to, I am not going to believe the case against Tyler Robinson and they will find whatever they possibly can.

00:06:40.000 So, for example, yesterday we had, as we mentioned, the footage.

00:06:44.000 On campus, four different times on it on campus, wearing normal clothes so you can easily tell who it is.

00:06:51.000 And they're still running with, Oh, actually, we think this is the wrong height for that person.

00:06:56.000 We think, Oh, they're wearing the same shoes, but different clothes we're wearing.

00:07:00.000 So, how do we know it's not?

00:07:01.000 They didn't switch out to an entirely different leg.

00:07:04.000 Oh, the limp is slightly off.

00:07:06.000 We don't, and Sean, they're saying a bald man was driving the car late that night, which means it was either you or Blake.

00:07:15.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 I mean, we can joke about that, but they're really doing that.

00:07:19.000 Or they're saying he met with Turning Point people.

00:07:21.000 And I'm pretty sure they just meant he talked to the people who were setting up the event because he was planning a shredding.

00:07:27.000 Let me just use that really quick. 0.89

00:07:28.000 This is the silliest thing ever.

00:07:31.000 Turning Point staff and students are out on the, you know, where they're setting up the event. 0.67

00:07:36.000 They're out there early in the morning, and lots of people come up and talk to them.

00:07:41.000 And they go, What time does it start?

00:07:43.000 Sure, I'll come back.

00:07:44.000 They're asking.

00:07:45.000 And by the way, they want to encourage people to come.

00:07:47.000 You should check it out.

00:07:48.000 Come back when we're doing this.

00:07:49.000 That's the way this works.

00:07:50.000 Yeah, that's clearly what happened.

00:07:52.000 And instead, people are, I mean, we saw this with Candace.

00:07:55.000 He's demanding who was the person that he was meeting with.

00:07:58.000 I can't wait to find that out.

00:07:59.000 Oh, so you're going to go find another person to loop into your theories, another person to harass, another person to dig into every single one of their family members. 0.98

00:08:07.000 It's disgusting.

00:08:08.000 And it gets back to the key thing, which I've said is these people, I don't think they're motivated by wanting to find the truth.

00:08:15.000 They're actually just motivated.

00:08:16.000 They want the person who killed Charlie to get away with it.

00:08:18.000 Yeah, you know, it's so I've worked, you know, in investigative journalism for 15 years.

00:08:24.000 Before that, I was an investigator on the Hill for an investigative committee.

00:08:29.000 And then, one thing you really learn as someone who investigates stuff and gets into it is you have to learn not to get too bought in to like a particular theory because this weird sort of confirmation bias kicks in and then it becomes like its own echo chamber and kind of self fulfilling prophecy.

00:08:45.000 It's something you learn over time.

00:08:47.000 You'll find this little tidbit and you'll get super excited.

00:08:51.000 But you have to learn, you know, at some point, the facts need to fit the theory instead of looking constantly for ways to make the theory fit the facts.

00:09:01.000 That's obviously what Candace is doing.

00:09:02.000 That's what a lot of these people are doing. 0.97

00:09:04.000 You know, whether she's nuts, whether she's dishonest, whether she's dumb, whether it's a combination of all three, a lot of people don't have the discernment or self control once they kind of reach the point of no return to just be like, oh, you know, I was wrong. 0.97

00:09:20.000 I thought it was this. 0.97

00:09:21.000 It's not that.

00:09:22.000 I'm moving on.

00:09:23.000 She clearly doesn't have that.

00:09:24.000 But thankfully, most people are not where she is.

00:09:27.000 She's not representative of the internet or everyone is old.

00:09:31.000 Well said.

00:09:32.000 All right. 0.52

00:09:33.000 Sean, one of the stories that is now happening as we speak President Trump is in Turkey for a NATO summit, and we're bombing Iran again. 0.99

00:09:43.000 So that's fun. 0.63

00:09:44.000 He's now saying, you know, straight up to him, he says, to me, the MOU is done. 0.99

00:09:52.000 I don't want to deal with these scumbags anymore. 0.99

00:09:55.000 What do we make of this? 0.99

00:09:56.000 Because I know you and I, Blake included, we're skeptical about this war, but we're excited about the prospect of peace.

00:10:03.000 Is peace achievable?

00:10:04.000 Oh, I think peace is always achievable.

00:10:07.000 And, you know, with Trump, it's hard to know when he uses that rhetoric.

00:10:11.000 Is he trying to scare them? 0.96

00:10:13.000 We know he's not bluffing because he's more than happy to just bomb the crap out of them back into good behavior. 0.97

00:10:19.000 Is he bluffing? 0.93

00:10:20.000 Is he trying to get them to come to their senses?

00:10:23.000 And you also have the question of like, what is actually going on in Iran?

00:10:27.000 Who is in charge there?

00:10:28.000 Who's making the decisions?

00:10:29.000 Was this a deliberate government effort to go and try and blow up the MOU?

00:10:34.000 Is there a faction in there that wants to keep the war going that doesn't like it?

00:10:38.000 The prospect of peace.

00:10:39.000 And so they thought, oh, Trump is in Turkey.

00:10:42.000 Let's go harass some ships on the Strait of Hormuz and show him who's boss.

00:10:47.000 I think what's probably likely going forward is just a very, very low level simmer pot shots here and there. 0.87

00:10:57.000 Iran doesn't really have the capability to do much beyond that.

00:11:00.000 They've been bombed back to the Stone Age.

00:11:05.000 They have no navy.

00:11:07.000 They have no ability to really mount war against us.

00:11:09.000 So it's kind of just like these little pot shots from the woods that they have.

00:11:13.000 And when you take that into account, of course, peace is possible.

00:11:15.000 As long as you have a president who is willing to have peace, as long as you have people over there who are willing to have it, it's possible.

00:11:23.000 And so I think you have to understand that it's possible going forward.

00:11:26.000 If you just throw up your hands and are like, oh, it's all over, everything's done, it's going to be war forever, I think that's probably a self defeating thought, probably a self fulfilling prophecy.

00:11:36.000 So we'll see what happens.

00:11:38.000 I think they can probably be bombed back into good behavior, but who knows?

00:11:41.000 We'll see.

00:11:43.000 Yeah.

00:11:43.000 And so we'll just play a little cut here from.

00:11:46.000 President Trump, because he, like I said, he's meeting with all these world leaders, NATO summit, Turkey.

00:11:53.000 You know, how about this?

00:11:55.000 SAT 6.

00:11:56.000 Yes, sir. 1.00

00:11:57.000 You said that dealing with the Iranians is a waste of time. 1.00

00:12:00.000 How do you plan to get the nuclear material and the nuclear assurances that you want? 1.00

00:12:04.000 Well, we've already got the nuclear material because it's so far underground, nobody's going to be able to get it except us because we have the equipment that you can get it.

00:12:12.000 But I call it the nuclear test.

00:12:14.000 The nuclear material is so far down underneath a mountain, and now that's been determined, that it would take massive.

00:12:23.000 Machinery that we have that no other country has.

00:12:27.000 They can't get it.

00:12:28.000 I feel like that's a perfect encapsulation of how President Trump can pivot a little bit because he's really talked about getting the nuclear dust.

00:12:36.000 And now that the war's back on, he's actually, we're the only ones who can get the nuclear dust anyway.

00:12:41.000 So it's a nice to have, not a need to have.

00:12:43.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:12:45.000 It does sort of seem like you're dealing, you mentioned this, though, the command and control apparatus within Iran.

00:12:52.000 It's difficult to know when there are these little strikes against these vessels.

00:12:55.000 Like, is that coming from one's, you know, Kind of rogue element within the decentralized command structure within Iran now.

00:13:04.000 It's hard to understand is a peace deal even doable?

00:13:08.000 Do you even need one at this point?

00:13:10.000 That's the question.

00:13:11.000 Obviously, you want the Strait of Hormuz open and you want the energy flowing freely to the world, but there is this other thing where our production has ramped up.

00:13:19.000 The other regional partners in that area have been rerouting oil and gas around Iran.

00:13:27.000 They're currently constructing pipelines.

00:13:30.000 Is this something that we could just sort of Outlast them on?

00:13:34.000 Yeah, that's a great question, especially in light of what's going on in Turkey with NATO.

00:13:41.000 So I think the first question you ask is Does the US need the Strait of Hormuz?

00:13:44.000 And the answer is not really.

00:13:46.000 That's not where we get the bulk of our oil from.

00:13:48.000 And so the next question is Who needs the Strait of Hormuz open?

00:13:52.000 It's Europe. 0.97

00:13:53.000 They're the ones who need it open.

00:13:54.000 They're the ones who are getting hurt the most.

00:13:56.000 Now, obviously, there are spot price impacts that affect the overall global price of oil there, but it's Europe that needs that oil.

00:14:04.000 And so with Trump being there, With NATO, I think he's going to go in and make the case like, hey, Europe, hey, NATO, remember, you exist to protect NATO, to protect Europe.

00:14:14.000 That was the whole purpose of NATO, to protect Europe from the Soviet Union.

00:14:19.000 So this seems to be like maybe your problem to solve Europe and NATO. 0.75

00:14:25.000 You know, we went in there, we removed the bomb, the crap out of the regime, made it impossible for them to go after their neighbors.

00:14:32.000 And now that the only thing left that is the really major point of leverage is the Strait of Hormuz.

00:14:38.000 It's probably a good idea for you, NATO, and you, Turkey, and you, Europe, to take some ownership and accountability here.

00:14:45.000 And maybe you go and work on fixing this problem because it's actually not a big deal from the U.S. 0.82

00:14:50.000 We can go and bomb Iran whenever we feel like it with impunity. 0.68

00:14:53.000 But until that strait is totally open, it doesn't impact us all that much. 0.95

00:14:57.000 It impacts Europe.

00:14:58.000 So the fact that all of this is happening and this escalation is kind of occurring as Trump is in Turkey dealing with NATO, I think is a really, really fascinating aspect of the ongoing hostility over in Iran.

00:15:10.000 I don't want to.

00:15:11.000 I'm not sure I'm ready to go that far down because we're using that language of accountability.

00:15:15.000 This is a war we did launch. 0.90

00:15:18.000 This is a war that strikes we launched in concert with Israel.

00:15:23.000 And would we like NATO's assistance? 0.59

00:15:25.000 Would we like the assistance of the rest of the Middle East?

00:15:28.000 I think we do. 0.97

00:15:29.000 But I think there would be long term consequences if we took the attitude of we bombed it and now it's your problem.

00:15:37.000 I think there's other ways we could look at going about this if we're not willing to do boots on the ground, which I don't like.

00:15:41.000 Andrew doesn't like.

00:15:44.000 One of the ideas is just what if we made a war winning level effort to build pipelines so that it doesn't have to go through the Strait of Hormuz anymore?

00:15:52.000 I feel like if you look at America in World War II, we could build things still.

00:15:55.000 We could expand the Panama Canal.

00:15:57.000 We could build thousands of ships.

00:15:59.000 I think we could build pipelines and say, you know what?

00:16:01.000 Strait of Hormuz doesn't matter anymore because all the gas is just going in a pipe to the Red Sea, to the Indian Ocean, wherever we need it to go.

00:16:09.000 I don't disagree with that.

00:16:12.000 Sean Davis.

00:16:13.000 You are a great friend.

00:16:15.000 I know you've got a busy day.

00:16:16.000 Thanks for fitting us in here, man.

00:16:18.000 God bless you.

00:16:19.000 And we'll definitely have you on again soon.

00:16:21.000 So, thank you for having me.

00:16:24.000 All right.

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00:18:10.000 Scott Jennings is with us now.

00:18:12.000 Scott, great to see you, my friend.

00:18:14.000 Hey, Andrew.

00:18:15.000 So I was tempted to do a little joke.

00:18:18.000 At the beginning of this segment, and talk about one of my favorite movies, Weekend at Bernie's, but it would have been in bad taste.

00:18:27.000 Don't get mad at me.

00:18:28.000 I'm kidding.

00:18:28.000 You have gone out on social media and you have said you spoke with Senator McConnell and that he was sharp.

00:18:36.000 Just tell us about that because I'm still seeing it online that people think that.

00:18:40.000 We should set some context here just because people have only been watching us that Mitch McConnell has been in the hospital and there's been rumors, conspiracy theories, if you want to say online, that he is.

00:18:52.000 Literally brain dead.

00:18:53.000 He's dead, and they're hiding this.

00:18:55.000 And so you did say that you've spoken to him, which would seem to be in conflict with that theory.

00:19:00.000 Yep, exactly.

00:19:01.000 So the floor is yours, Scott.

00:19:03.000 Well, as you all well know, a lot of people say crazy things on the internet that simply aren't true.

00:19:08.000 And so, look, the Senator and I, I think for the audience's context, we go back over 30 years.

00:19:15.000 As a teenager, I met him for the first time, and I was a McConnell Scholar at the University of Louisville, which is a scholarship program.

00:19:22.000 And, you know, I was a reporter when I was in college, and then I became a political operative.

00:19:27.000 I worked on his campaigns.

00:19:28.000 I mean, I've known and been having an ongoing dialogue with this man for 32 years.

00:19:33.000 That's number one.

00:19:34.000 Number two, he has been in the hospital for several weeks.

00:19:38.000 And of course, when you, you know, I've known someone for so long and they're at this age and they're in the hospital, it's quite concerning.

00:19:43.000 And the truth is, I hadn't spoken to him.

00:19:44.000 I've gotten a few text messages, but I haven't spoken to him.

00:19:47.000 So when he called me yesterday morning to chat, I was heartened by that because I had also seen the same things you all had seen.

00:19:55.000 And so I just put out a quick report, you know, hey, talk to Mitch McConnell and, you know, here's some of the issues he was discussing.

00:20:01.000 I'm a little surprised everybody lost their minds over it because I was just kind of reporting on, you know, what had happened.

00:20:08.000 But we talked for about 17 minutes and it was sort of.

00:20:12.000 Of a normal chat for us.

00:20:14.000 He talks about politics and public affairs.

00:20:16.000 That's what we tend to talk about.

00:20:18.000 And then I also saw that he talked to Senator Barrasso and Senator Thune.

00:20:21.000 So he was clearly working the phones yesterday.

00:20:25.000 I think a lot of people are upset with him for one reason or the other, and they want to, frankly, in a very macabre or terrible way, just sort of wish cast his demise.

00:20:36.000 But my report was basically that he was up and about making calls and able to chat about some of the issues of the day.

00:20:44.000 Well, and listen, Scott, I certainly have my political differences with Senator McConnell, but I do not wish him ill.

00:20:52.000 I wish him a speedy recovery.

00:20:54.000 And I completely respect that you are not Senator McConnell.

00:20:57.000 Your politics are different.

00:20:59.000 You have a great, long history with him, and he means a lot to you on a personal level and your career and how you got here.

00:21:05.000 And so I'm heartened as well to hear that he's doing better on the mend.

00:21:11.000 I mean, I know it's no secret that he has been.

00:21:16.000 Kind of going through a series of health scares in recent years, and he's getting older, he's getting up there.

00:21:22.000 Does this, did you get any insight or do you know anything about this just as far as kind of the future for him or how that will work?

00:21:30.000 Is the plan still to kind of serve out the term?

00:21:34.000 Good question.

00:21:35.000 I think also for context, we should tell people about Kentucky politics.

00:21:38.000 McConnell is retiring.

00:21:39.000 He was, his term is up at the end of this year.

00:21:43.000 He announced, you know, way back last year he wasn't running again.

00:21:45.000 There was a primary.

00:21:46.000 The Republican won the primary named Andy Barr.

00:21:49.000 He'll Most likely replace McConnell in November.

00:21:51.000 So at the end of this term, McConnell is done.

00:21:53.000 His career will be over.

00:21:54.000 He'll have been the longest serving senator in Kentucky history.

00:21:58.000 It's a great achievement.

00:22:00.000 Right now, as far as I know, he plans to continue to serve out his term.

00:22:04.000 I didn't ask him specifically about that, Andrew.

00:22:07.000 But as far as I know, he intends to serve out his term.

00:22:10.000 I think in Kentucky, if you get past a certain date in August, if there were to be a vacancy, they would just have the election in November and then the term would.

00:22:20.000 You know, the new senator would take over in January anyway.

00:22:24.000 So I don't really have anything to say about it other than, you know, he seemed like he was, you know, sort of engaging in the news and the issues of the day, which sounded to me like someone who intended to come back to work as soon as he's able to do so.

00:22:37.000 And Scott, I just want to just give you, you know, a vote of confidence in the fact that you would be willing to step into the breach and say something true and to do it fearlessly, even though, you know, the usual suspects online are going to cry foul.

00:22:54.000 And I love that about you because my experience with you and my friendship with you has been that you are a fearless truth teller.

00:23:01.000 Even if I disagree with you on something or whatever, I'm not saying I do.

00:23:05.000 I'm just saying it doesn't matter to you.

00:23:07.000 You're going to speak what you believe to be the truth and you're going to do it fearlessly.

00:23:11.000 And you've been excellent on the whole Charlie thing as well and the incoming that we've had and all these crazy zany conspiracy theories and the attacks on Erica and the attacks on the org and turning their attention now on, I don't know, what is it?

00:23:27.000 Ben Shapiro is the new thing this morning.

00:23:30.000 But just explain from your vantage point.

00:23:32.000 You know, I don't talk to you every day.

00:23:34.000 Your vantage point, what you're seeing out there.

00:23:37.000 I keep getting a lot of people that are texting me saying the tide has turned.

00:23:40.000 I think the evidence has been overwhelming.

00:23:42.000 I've seen people, truth tellers on social media, get louder and more bold.

00:23:47.000 What has it been like from your POV?

00:23:48.000 Well, first of all, I'm enormously frustrated for you and for the Turning Point team because of what you have to deal with.

00:23:55.000 And I'm enormously frustrated and frankly angry for Erica because the things that are said and the people who are doing it for self aggrandizement purposes, for monetization purposes, for engagement purposes.

00:24:08.000 Farming or whatever.

00:24:09.000 I just think it's awful what they have done.

00:24:11.000 So I get very emotionally frustrated on your behalf, and I'm not the one that has to deal with it every single day.

00:24:19.000 I think this hearing this week, from my perspective, though, has sort of the conspiracy theorists and the people who've been trying to create false narratives.

00:24:27.000 I mean, they've kind of run into a brick wall this week because evidence is evidence, testimony is testimony, facts are facts.

00:24:35.000 And when those things show up and blow up your conspiracy theories, I think it's quite embarrassing for these people.

00:24:40.000 So Do I think that you're ever going to get rid of all these people who are trying to do what they do for their own personal reasons?

00:24:49.000 No, but I think every rational person out there is looking at the facts and the evidence and saying, okay, we know the truth, we know what happened, and this process is now playing out as it should in a court of law.

00:25:03.000 And that's what you're dealing with.

00:25:05.000 You've got a court of law where facts matter, and you've got this court of social media where nothing matters.

00:25:10.000 And you all are now getting the facts out in a venue where Conspiracy theories have no quarter, only facts do.

00:25:17.000 And I think that's helping turn the tide.

00:25:19.000 I tend to agree with that.

00:25:20.000 Yeah.

00:25:20.000 And we have this great clip from Don Jr., I think is really representative.

00:25:26.000 I mean, he was in the courtroom with Erica and Rob and Kathy, Charlie's parents.

00:25:33.000 And I thought it was A, beautiful that he decided to go.

00:25:36.000 I mean, Don is extraordinarily busy.

00:25:39.000 People probably don't fully realize just how busy his life is.

00:25:41.000 He dedicated the better part of this week to go be in Utah with Erica.

00:25:46.000 And this is what he told Fox News this morning SOT 32.

00:25:49.000 I haven't been that vocal because I haven't known what's real and what's not.

00:25:51.000 But having literally been there in the room, seen the evidence with my own eyes, you know, it's very clear to me that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty.

00:26:02.000 I think that's representative of a lot of people, Scott.

00:26:05.000 I think, yeah, go ahead.

00:26:07.000 Well, I mean, I saw his interview as well, and I thought it was so great that he went and then made that statement because a lot of people listen to Donald Trump Jr., and when he speaks and does so with such clarity, You know, hopefully, all the people that see the things that's being served to them by their algorithm understand that, you know, this is a credible voice, someone who loved Charlie, took the time to go and review what was happening in person, and he's giving you an actual report.

00:26:33.000 And I think that's really, you know, what's unfortunate here is a lot of people who are making a lot of money for themselves and a lot of attention for themselves, they have no idea what the facts are.

00:26:43.000 They're not in the courtroom.

00:26:45.000 All they have are conspiracy theories and lies and things that further a narrative that is for them.

00:26:50.000 And then you have Donald Trump Jr. and others going to the courtroom.

00:26:53.000 Saying, here are the facts.

00:26:54.000 I'm reporting them to you.

00:26:56.000 I think the people who are out peddling the conspiracy theories are going to be outraged by this and they're going to lash out and they're going to say mean things about it.

00:27:04.000 But Donald Trump Jr. did what I think any good friend would do, and that's to say, I wanted to get the facts for myself.

00:27:11.000 I saw them.

00:27:12.000 I'm telling you what they are.

00:27:13.000 And it's clear to me that Tyler Robinson is the murderer.

00:27:16.000 That is as clear and factual as you can be based on witnessing in the courtroom what's happening.

00:27:21.000 And I would hope most people would take his word for that versus some of these lunatics on the internet.

00:27:27.000 I totally agree.

00:27:29.000 Scott, you know, I'm tempted to ask you one last question about Graham Platner.

00:27:33.000 If you have any top line thoughts, we haven't got there yet.

00:27:36.000 But the floor is yours if you want.

00:27:39.000 You know, here's what I am marveling at the Party of Democracy, Democrats, they're trying to throw Platner out.

00:27:46.000 He won a primary, and 98% of what we know about Graham Platner was already known when he won his primary.

00:27:53.000 People voted.

00:27:54.000 It's just like Biden, you know?

00:27:55.000 People voted for Biden, and then they came along and threw him out, too.

00:27:58.000 I mean, we're lectured by the Party of Democracy all the time.

00:28:01.000 There's no democracy in the Democratic Party right now. 1.00

00:28:04.000 The only thing that happened was that they all got behind a scumbag. 0.99

00:28:07.000 They knew they got behind a scumbag, and his poll numbers have now fallen to the point where he's no longer viable. 0.99

00:28:13.000 I don't, I mean, Graham Plattner, I mean, he's apparently some ne'er do well, you know, fake oyster farmer who works for his mom. 0.98

00:28:20.000 I don't know why, what else he has to do with himself except hang on to this nomination.

00:28:23.000 I guess we'll see what happens today.

00:28:25.000 That was well said, Scott.

00:28:28.000 There's a reason CNN keeps you on, I will tell you.

00:28:31.000 Scott, go get ready for your own show.

00:28:33.000 Great to have you.

00:28:34.000 Thank you for being a good friend and for standing by Charlie and the truth.

00:28:38.000 And your other good friend, Mitch McConnell, which, you know, I think that's actually really commendable.

00:28:44.000 We could talk about his policies some other day.

00:28:46.000 We could disagree.

00:28:47.000 Sure.

00:28:47.000 Yeah.

00:28:47.000 No, but have a great show today, Scott.

00:28:50.000 And we'll talk to you soon, my friend.

00:28:51.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:28:52.000 Good to see you, brother.

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00:30:17.000 This has been the big story unfolding the past two days while we've been covering the trial. 0.96

00:30:21.000 The big national story Graham Plattner, the communist adjacent lunatic, the Nepo baby, fake oyster farmer, pathological liar, very bad guy in essentially all ways. 0.90

00:30:34.000 So naturally, he ran away with the Democrat nomination to challenge Susan Collins in Maine. 0.99

00:30:41.000 And he has the Nazi tattoo.

00:30:43.000 I mean, there's so many things.

00:30:44.000 He basically has every possible scandal you could have adultery, abuse. 0.97

00:30:48.000 Sexual assault, weird Nazi connections. 0.97

00:30:50.000 But now he has a cool mustache. 0.92

00:30:51.000 But now he has a cool mustache.

00:30:54.000 But Democrats seem to have been realizing over the course of time they think this guy is going to lose.

00:31:01.000 And so a new hit piece or new attack piece has just dropped on Platner.

00:31:06.000 I believe it was published by Politico, had it first.

00:31:08.000 And it's another one of his girlfriends.

00:31:10.000 We've already had attacks from other girlfriends.

00:31:12.000 This is another girlfriend who claimed that about, I want to say, six years ago, that he.

00:31:19.000 Entered her house by force and forced himself on her sexually.

00:31:25.000 And that she's concealed it until now, but she has text messages where she's warning her friends about Platner.

00:31:33.000 And so now they're lining up all of the Democrats.

00:31:36.000 Ro Khanna has retracted his endorsement studies to drop out.

00:31:39.000 Bernie Sanders has.

00:31:41.000 Okay, well, throw up that image, please.

00:31:45.000 I mean, it's Schumer, Gillibrand, Pocahontas, Ruben Gallego.

00:31:53.000 Okay, Ruben.

00:31:55.000 Me thinks those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Mr. Gallego.

00:32:00.000 You got Mark Kelly.

00:32:01.000 I mean, there's a ton of them.

00:32:03.000 I mean, they all just, all of them.

00:32:05.000 I mean, it's like the memo went out.

00:32:07.000 This is what's wild.

00:32:08.000 That's literally what it is.

00:32:09.000 The memo clearly went out where we've seen this with Democrats.

00:32:12.000 They'll have that cascade, they don't split into a never Trump and always Trump camp the way you'll see in the GPA.

00:32:18.000 They are, they had this guy, they were lining up behind him, even though he seemed disgusting.

00:32:24.000 And now they've suddenly decided this guy is too dangerous.

00:32:27.000 We're going to lose a winnable seat.

00:32:29.000 Get him out.

00:32:30.000 This attack ad, this attack story almost certainly came from Democrats.

00:32:34.000 It's not Republican Oppo.

00:32:36.000 And there's even threats that more is going to drop.

00:32:39.000 And it's all perfectly timed because they want to get him out right now.

00:32:44.000 Because if they get him out right now, they can basically put up a new candidate, some random flunky, and then they probably think they can beat Susan Collins with a warm body as long as it's not Graham Platner.

00:32:55.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 So that's how it works.

00:32:57.000 Graham Platner is now persona non grata with the group of people that.

00:33:04.000 Embraced him, even though there have been allegations for a long time.

00:33:08.000 And by the way, I love the fake oyster farmer thing.

00:33:11.000 I gotta hit this because it's too good.

00:33:13.000 Graham Plattner, they say he's just a working class Mainer oyster farmer.

00:33:20.000 No, His family is very wealthy.

00:33:24.000 His mom owns a high end restaurant and I believe a hotel or bed and breakfast or something that's attached to it.

00:33:32.000 But the details on that are whatever.

00:33:34.000 A high end restaurant.

00:33:36.000 So, when he's an oyster farmer, he's literally a hobbyist.

00:33:40.000 He's a hobbyist.

00:33:41.000 And guess how much he pays himself from his own business?

00:33:43.000 Zero.

00:33:44.000 Do you know why he doesn't pay himself anything from his own business?

00:33:46.000 Because it makes no money.

00:33:49.000 Because he has one client over $5,000.

00:33:52.000 That's his mom's restaurant.

00:33:54.000 But I will tell you, the other reason is because he's getting VA benefits.

00:33:58.000 He's getting over $70,000 a year tax free as long as he doesn't make more money.

00:34:05.000 So, he doesn't pay himself anything from the business.

00:34:09.000 He's a hobbyist.

00:34:10.000 Because he's got one client essentially, and that's his mommy.

00:34:14.000 And I think his family's like famous architects.

00:34:20.000 I was thinking about a joke in my head.

00:34:22.000 Sorry, and it screwed me up.

00:34:23.000 Architects. 0.99

00:34:24.000 Anyways, so this is he's a total joke, and he's a total phony, and he's a fraud. 0.97

00:34:29.000 And he's been pulling the wool over everybody's eyes because he wears flannel shirts, and he's got a big walrus mustache. 0.98

00:34:36.000 And that's what they want.

00:34:37.000 They want a guy who is right coded, who says, Really radical things.

00:34:42.000 That's essentially the model to beat a Republican.

00:34:46.000 You see this all over the place where they, this is the Tim Waltz playbook, right?

00:34:50.000 Like, let's go put him out with a shotgun and some camo and act like he's just one of us.

00:34:55.000 He's one of the boys. 1.00

00:34:57.000 In truth, he's a total flaming radical left wing lunatic. 0.99

00:35:01.000 You see that in Minnesota. 0.99

00:35:02.000 You see that in Graham Platner in Maine.

00:35:05.000 And that's the model.

00:35:06.000 Anybody that Hassan Piker is like, yeah, put him up there is probably a degenerate person who probably does awful things and who probably wants to destroy the country.

00:35:15.000 That's their model.

00:35:16.000 That's their model.

00:35:17.000 And guess what?

00:35:17.000 The Democrats are all complicit in this because they pushed him and pushed him and pushed him.

00:35:22.000 They excused, they ignored, they gave license to this, they created the permission structure.

00:35:27.000 And then when the polling fell, they finally decided oh, we're not going to get the power that we thought we were going to get politically. 0.94

00:35:35.000 And so we're going to toss them overboard because they're a bunch of frauds and phonies.

00:35:39.000 An absolute, absolute indictment of the moral bankruptcy of the Democrat Party.

00:35:46.000 And these are all the same people, by the way, that say that this, you know, E. Jean Carroll is a reason that Donald Trump.

00:35:53.000 Should be thrown out and all this stuff.

00:35:54.000 Well, they were silent until the polling dropped for Graham Platner.

00:35:57.000 E. Jean Carroll's another fraud.

00:36:01.000 It's deeper. 0.97

00:36:02.000 It's not even just that he's a fraud. 0.97

00:36:03.000 It's like it gets at Democrats have realized they've been losing the white working class for ages because they are a party that hates white men, straight white men, and they're always desperate to get them back.

00:36:14.000 And they very easily fall for a person like Graham Platner because he's the kind of guy that a lot of their voters fall for. 0.93

00:36:21.000 These disgusting phonies, these rakish guys, these damaged guys, and they think, I can fix him. 0.99

00:36:27.000 And now the entire party is paying the price. 1.00

00:36:30.000 It's entertaining to watch.

00:36:31.000 I'm glad he's not in our camp.

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00:37:48.000 Cam, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:37:49.000 Good to see you.

00:37:50.000 Hey, thanks for having me, and I appreciate that.

00:37:52.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:37:54.000 I have, we haven't talked actually much.

00:37:56.000 We texted briefly last night, we were talking about coming on the show, but I've been watching you just.

00:38:02.000 Kind of be so loud and proud and fighting back some of the crazies here.

00:38:07.000 And, you know, you have my appreciation and it just seems like you've taken it upon yourself.

00:38:13.000 And I really, I really admire that.

00:38:15.000 You sent me this clip as an example of what we're up against here when confronting real evidence in the court of law about Tyler Robinson.

00:38:24.000 It just doesn't seem to even be able to, it doesn't even go through for some of these people.

00:38:28.000 Sot 35.

00:38:29.000 It genuinely blows my mind that people still believe that Tyler Robinson.

00:38:35.000 Is fully responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:38:39.000 Truly, like the people that believe that narrative, I have to believe that they have just not done their own research because how can you believe the narrative that they are pushing?

00:38:52.000 It makes no sense.

00:38:54.000 In any type of world ever, it makes no logical sense.

00:38:58.000 What are we dealing with here, Cam?

00:39:00.000 I mean, it's total brainwashing.

00:39:02.000 It's like we've got video of the guy on the campus.

00:39:05.000 We've got his DNA on the screwdriver on the blanket the gun was covered in.

00:39:10.000 We've got him placed on the roof.

00:39:12.000 We've got him arriving in his vehicle to the campus.

00:39:15.000 We've got him on the campus twice before it happened, during and once after, I believe.

00:39:20.000 Yep.

00:39:21.000 The evidence that Tyler Robinson is the shooter is mountainous.

00:39:25.000 By the way, the defense is even admitting he turned himself in when they didn't even know they didn't have a name for the suspect.

00:39:32.000 Yes.

00:39:33.000 They had a person of interest, they had no named suspect.

00:39:37.000 And it's almost like they're already setting the stage for you should show mercy on Tyler Robinson because he cooperated with the process by turning himself in before he was a named suspect.

00:39:49.000 And meanwhile, you have people online who.

00:39:52.000 Are going to seize on everything.

00:39:54.000 A very popular one now seems to be it was actually Lance Twiggs who did it.

00:39:58.000 Right.

00:39:58.000 Someone asked me about that last night, and I just said, you know, at a minimum, if it's Lance Twiggs, that just means Tyler Robinson colluded with him in this murder, and at least we have one of them.

00:40:08.000 Well, exactly.

00:40:09.000 So let's go through some of these conspiracy theories that are popping up in real time.

00:40:14.000 They're getting swatted down pretty aggressively, which it's fun to see.

00:40:18.000 Let's talk about this bullet that was found elsewhere.

00:40:21.000 It was an unused bullet, right?

00:40:24.000 Unspent bullet 37.

00:40:26.000 The unfired bullet that you refer to, it's your understanding that that bullet was accounted for?

00:40:33.000 That's my recollection, yes.

00:40:35.000 Okay, and it possibly belonged to an officer that could have maybe been clearing his weapon?

00:40:41.000 Yes, that's what I recall being told about that particular item, yes.

00:40:46.000 When you said that it was possible that that round was from an officer clearing his weapon, what exactly do you mean by that?

00:40:56.000 Our standard practice in our department is to carry a rifle cruiser ready.

00:41:01.000 Which is we carry our rifles in a situation which is called cruiser ready.

00:41:05.000 What does that mean?

00:41:06.000 Means we don't have a round chambered So if an officer deployed with his rifle he would chamber around Once he had done whatever task it was that he was doing in order to put that weapon back He would eject the magazine and eject the round sometimes in doing so rounds are dropped or not accounted for So it sounds pretty simple cam somebody on campus probably double racked Their gun to get cruiser ready.

00:41:33.000 And it was a crazy chaotic scene, and they didn't collect the bolt.

00:41:37.000 They're supposed to, but accidents do happen.

00:41:39.000 Your thoughts?

00:41:40.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot going on.

00:41:42.000 I mean, you can just observe from the footage right after the shot was fired.

00:41:46.000 Everybody is running around, and then the police are chasing down potential suspects.

00:41:51.000 The initial guy who came forward and said he did it, and then they find out, oh, maybe it was somebody else that was up on the roof of this other building.

00:42:00.000 And just like he said, they cruise without a round in the chamber.

00:42:04.000 If you've chambered around because you're ready to fight somebody because there's just been a shot fired, you're going to eject that so it can be put back in the vehicle for procedure afterwards.

00:42:13.000 If you eject the round and it kind of flies out and you miss where it landed, it's a perfectly plausible justification or explanation for how a stray round could have landed on the ground.

00:42:23.000 I mean, there were plenty of armed people there, the good guys, right?

00:42:26.000 So, and the other thing that I noticed too is people were actually taking out of context the officer's testimony about when he went up on the roof and he said, it's just a little sidebar.

00:42:38.000 When he went up on the roof and he said, I don't think that we've got our guy or we don't have the right guy or whatever, it was because that initial guy came forward and said, I'm the one who did it.

00:42:47.000 I'm the one who did it.

00:42:48.000 And they detained him.

00:42:49.000 But it turns out that he wasn't the one who did it.

00:42:51.000 I forget his name.

00:42:52.000 George Zinn is who you're talking about.

00:42:54.000 By the way, on the George Zinn thing, I just want people to know this.

00:42:57.000 I, early days, I was like, what the hell is this?

00:43:00.000 I mean, I asked around.

00:43:01.000 I was like, what?

00:43:01.000 Because it's crazy to me, too.

00:43:04.000 And basically, this guy was a very well known psychopath. 0.91

00:43:07.000 Campus Gadfly. 0.53

00:43:08.000 He was banned from campus, I believe.

00:43:09.000 He was banned.

00:43:10.000 They tried to keep him out of these GOP meetings. 0.97

00:43:13.000 I believe that certain high profile politicians in the state basically said this guy's going to get somebody killed because he's such a loon. 0.92

00:43:21.000 And I think they arrested him. 0.89

00:43:22.000 They found some, you know, child stuff, right, on his computer, whatever.

00:43:28.000 The point is, he was a known bad actor, crazy person in Utah for years.

00:43:33.000 Okay.

00:43:33.000 Next one, Cam.

00:43:35.000 So this is, I had the team pull just some random DNA conspiracy tweet.

00:43:41.000 This one's from Delegent Dennison.

00:43:42.000 FBI DNA examiner says DNA on screwdriver and towel were almost entirely Lance Twiggs.

00:43:47.000 Only 5% Tyler Robinson to Noah on one to Twiggs, 95%, and the other was 11% Tyler Robinson and 89% Lance Twiggs DNA.

00:43:55.000 Is Twiggs the real assassin?

00:43:57.000 Okay, let's deal with that one.

00:43:59.000 Here is a clip where the cross examination of this DNA specialist from the FBI, so the state cross examines her, 38.

00:44:09.000 You testified about Exhibit 7 and 8 that they both had mixtures.

00:44:14.000 Excuse me.

00:44:15.000 Yes, items 7 and 8.

00:44:17.000 And you're testing of these items that they both had mixtures.

00:44:20.000 And you state, I want to make sure I understood this.

00:44:25.000 You stated, I believe, that the minor sample, the minor contributor was less than 20%, and that it was actually 5%.

00:44:30.000 The ratio was 5% to 95%.

00:44:32.000 So one of the samples, yes.

00:44:33.000 You remember that?

00:44:33.000 Yes.

00:44:34.000 Does that mean the 5% was from Twiggs, and the 95%, that 95% is assumed from the defendant, the Robinson?

00:44:42.000 When I calculated the statistic, Twiggs' DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor, and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor.

00:44:50.000 Okay.

00:44:51.000 Same question with regard to eight.

00:44:52.000 I think you said the ratio was 11%.

00:44:54.000 From the minor and 89% from the major.

00:44:56.000 Is that Twiggs being the 11% and Robinson being the 89%?

00:45:00.000 Yes, Twiggs better aligned with that 11% contributor and Mr. Robinson better aligned with that 79% contributor.

00:45:06.000 All right, so there you go.

00:45:07.000 That's on cross. 0.99

00:45:09.000 Put up Liz Wheeler's tweet just so we can see it DNA on the towel and screwdriver.

00:45:14.000 Lance Twiggs 5%, Tyler Robinson 95%, Lance Twiggs 11%, Tyler Robinson 89%.

00:45:21.000 So I don't even know what they're doing here.

00:45:25.000 Cam, do you have thoughts?

00:45:26.000 They're doing what they've always done.

00:45:27.000 They're making stuff up.

00:45:28.000 They take stuff from the trial and they take it out of context and they try to spin it a certain way.

00:45:33.000 Same thing that I was just talking about.

00:45:34.000 They tried to say that when he said they don't have the right guy, that he was actually talking about Tyler Robinson, not Zinn.

00:45:41.000 And they've done this with a number of things, including the compilation.

00:45:44.000 They said that there's no footage of the shot being fired or of the shooting.

00:45:48.000 When they were just talking about one specific exhibit, we don't necessarily know if that exists yet, but it doesn't really matter either.

00:45:53.000 There's almost never footage of the murder.

00:45:55.000 There wasn't when Carmelo Anthony got killed, there was no footage of him.

00:45:59.000 Or, sorry, when Austin Metcalf got killed, there was no footage of Carmelo Anthony stabbing him, but everybody still believed it.

00:46:05.000 And the same people, by the way.

00:46:06.000 Yeah, it's such a good point.

00:46:07.000 You rarely have video of a murder.

00:46:10.000 You rarely have as much evidence as we have been fortunate enough to collect in this case of a confession of DNA, of video footage of them at the scene.

00:46:22.000 But he's just a patsy.

00:46:23.000 He's a patsy.

00:46:24.000 And you know why I know this, Cam?

00:46:26.000 Because his different legs bend in the video.

00:46:29.000 All right, so let's look at this.

00:46:31.000 This is the bending of the knee one, which is a lot of fun.

00:46:35.000 SOT 39.

00:46:36.000 This is actually the surveillance footage that was presented at court.

00:46:39.000 This massive, massive bombshell footage of Tyler Robinson once he comes back in the long pants and his different legs are bending, I guess.

00:46:47.000 SOT 39.

00:46:50.000 He heads out of the parking garage on foot into the campus and actually goes to the quad area of the campus.

00:46:58.000 At that time, he makes contact with.

00:47:01.000 Some representatives from TPUSA.

00:47:04.000 By quad area?

00:47:05.000 Sorry, the amphitheater is what I've previously referred it to.

00:47:08.000 All right.

00:47:10.000 All right, so that was actually a different one.

00:47:11.000 I apologize.

00:47:12.000 This is referencing the Makes Contact with Turning Point.

00:47:15.000 That was another big one I saw online.

00:47:18.000 I'll handle this, Cam, but you've been at some of our tabling events.

00:47:21.000 You've tabled.

00:47:22.000 When you're setting up, there are dozens of students, volunteers, a few staffers, the tech people setting up.

00:47:31.000 They're there.

00:47:32.000 You can just walk right up to them and say, hey, how are you doing?

00:47:36.000 What times the events start?

00:47:38.000 And that's apparently what happened here.

00:47:41.000 Does this shock you?

00:47:43.000 Does this.

00:47:44.000 Prove there was coordination between Tyler Robinson, who they say didn't do it, by the way, and Turning Point staff.

00:47:52.000 When I table, I get people that come up to me and they start trying to debate me while I'm setting up.

00:47:57.000 So, like, definitely half the time when those people are kind of just around you in the setup phase, and I set up my own tables with whoever I'm with, whether it's Turning Point people or my people or whatever, people just come up all the time.

00:48:10.000 And most of the time, you don't agree with those people.

00:48:12.000 Most of the time, those people are not conservatives who just want to root you on, you know.

00:48:18.000 So, it doesn't surprise me at all.

00:48:19.000 Anyone can just walk up at any time.

00:48:21.000 It's a public campus, and we already know that Tyler Robinson was moving around the campus all day.

00:48:25.000 Everything about it is setting up.

00:48:27.000 As you said, people get tethered to their particular weird theories.

00:48:31.000 Everything sets up as you would expect.

00:48:34.000 A person who wants to do a shooting shows up the first time to confirm the event is on, make sure, find out what time it's all going to start, shows up a second time to scope out where he plans to commit the crime, shows up a third time to commit the crime, shows up a fourth time to try and retrieve evidence.

00:48:50.000 All of it is laid out very clearly.

00:48:52.000 And instead, some people are.

00:48:55.000 I've said earlier in the show, Cam, I think some people, they really are just motivated by an intense desire to see the killer get away with it.

00:49:04.000 I don't feel like they're looking for truth when they decide to fixate on, oh, who's this turning point person that the suspect spoke with?

00:49:11.000 We better find them and harass them.

00:49:14.000 I suspect police know who they spoke with.

00:49:17.000 I suspect police have spoken to them.

00:49:18.000 I suspect that evidence will be presented at the trial.

00:49:21.000 And I suspect it will have nothing to do with any theories people come up with this time around.

00:49:25.000 I genuinely find this one, you know. 0.91

00:49:28.000 Ridiculous, but they're going to hook their claws into it anyways. 0.90

00:49:32.000 Okay, this is another one. 0.98

00:49:34.000 So, did you want to say anything else?

00:49:36.000 Sorry, Kim.

00:49:36.000 Yeah, I just wanted to say real quick a lot of times the people around the tables too are like college chapter people.

00:49:42.000 I mean, it's not like direct report to you, Andrew.

00:49:46.000 For the record, I have none of those.

00:49:50.000 That only makes it more appealing to these people because they'll think, oh, a college student, that's an easier person to bully, an easier person to harass.

00:49:57.000 They had an inside man.

00:49:59.000 They had an inside man in the campus.

00:50:01.000 That's what they'll run with.

00:50:02.000 All right.

00:50:02.000 They'll do that with every opportunity they can get because I think most of these, a lot of these people are just motivated by being bad.

00:50:09.000 Okay.

00:50:10.000 So here's the next one the bending of the legs.

00:50:12.000 This is when Tyler Robinson comes back to campus to actually commit the crime.

00:50:19.000 This is a gentleman named Matt Kester.

00:50:22.000 I'd never heard of him before, but he did a demonstration on his YouTube page showing what happens when you disassemble a rifle.

00:50:29.000 Into two pieces, and you stick one down either leg, and you sort of use your armpit to kind of keep it in place.

00:50:35.000 Sop 40. 0.70

00:50:37.000 Well, my 18 year old, six foot something assistant here who weighs how many pounds? 1.00

00:50:41.000 140 ish.

00:50:42.000 Okay, I don't know what the killer's weight was, but we do know that based on the mugshot, he was about 72 inches tall.

00:50:47.000 The change was carrying the stock in the front.

00:50:52.000 You can see down here, the jeans are a little bit baggier, but if you pull them back, you remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right here in the thigh?

00:50:59.000 That's your stock.

00:51:00.000 That explains why the leg motion cannot come forward.

00:51:03.000 Because it's completely locked in.

00:51:04.000 Walk towards me.

00:51:06.000 Everybody walk that way.

00:51:10.000 Walk straight at me.

00:51:21.000 So he's actually got the barrel and the stock in.

00:51:24.000 One of the theories is that they had it down either leg, right?

00:51:27.000 And depending on the fabric of your jeans, you could bend one or the other going up and down the stairs.

00:51:33.000 So that's what's been described on some videos.

00:51:36.000 There's actually a video I'm thinking of right now that we should have probably pulled.

00:51:39.000 But this is their newest theory one leg bends and the other doesn't.

00:51:44.000 Problem is, he's probably got something down both pant legs, actually.

00:51:48.000 Cam, any thoughts?

00:51:50.000 Yeah, totally.

00:51:50.000 I mean, They act like this is not possible, even just the putting the rifle down the pants thing.

00:51:55.000 But I've seen multiple variations of the same video that you just showed where different people are either shoving a whole 30-odd six down their pants or they're disassembling a 30-odd six and putting the barrel down one and the stock down the other.

00:52:09.000 And they have close to full motion in both cases if they really want to do full motion.

00:52:14.000 Now, Tyler Robinson might have been a little bit more skittish because he's going to assassinate somebody.

00:52:19.000 So he might not have bent his legs as much just because he didn't want maybe the.

00:52:23.000 Barrel would poke through his legs and somebody would realize something's off, but totally possible.

00:52:29.000 Totally possible.

00:52:30.000 All right.

00:52:32.000 So, the other thing that we're still going with is that it was, there's a height difference.

00:52:39.000 So, there's an allegation that the person in the video was actually 6'2, 6'3.

00:52:44.000 This is coming from Candace herself.

00:52:46.000 But as you heard in that clip, by the way, he referenced directly 72 inches, which is not 5'10, 5'11.

00:52:52.000 It's six foot.

00:52:53.000 So, there's that.

00:52:54.000 And then we've got that.

00:52:57.000 We'll play a clip from her.

00:52:58.000 This is that she doesn't believe that he was on campus that day.

00:53:02.000 Which one is that?

00:53:05.000 All right.

00:53:06.000 We'll see.

00:53:07.000 I think this is it.

00:53:08.000 41.

00:53:09.000 I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person who was walking in that staircase.

00:53:13.000 So, real quick.

00:53:14.000 Obviously, that was before the preliminary hearing, but that's still a large degree of their allegations online. 0.86

00:53:22.000 It's just silly.

00:53:24.000 They're saying he has to be way taller because he looks lanky. 0.82

00:53:27.000 So, I guess they're unfamiliar with the idea. 0.99

00:53:30.000 Of a twink who's not very fit, doesn't have a, has an elongated body, even if they're not that tall. 0.99

00:53:36.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:53:37.000 Okay, Tyler Robinson didn't lift.

00:53:39.000 So, my response on social media was like, I remember when I first heard that Tom Cruise was only 5'7", looked a lot bigger on all those movies for a long time.

00:53:49.000 Final 15 seconds to you, Cam. 0.85

00:53:51.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just ridiculous.

00:53:52.000 They desperately want Tyler Robinson not to be the person.

00:53:55.000 What's the evidence that's not Tyler Robinson?

00:53:57.000 There is none.

00:53:58.000 And they say, well, we haven't been presented with evidence that the, This is Tyler Robinson.

00:54:02.000 Well, that's probably because we're not in the trial yet.

00:54:04.000 This is a preliminary hearing where they're just admitting evidence and probable cause.

00:54:08.000 And then in the actual trial, the defense and the prosecution are going to argue with each other about whether or not that actually.

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00:55:17.000 I have to just play this clip because the team showed it to me and it was too good.

00:55:22.000 Alex Marlowe joins us, though, right now.

00:55:25.000 And he is, of course, the editor in chief of Breitbart.

00:55:30.000 He's got the Alex Marlowe show.

00:55:31.000 It's good to see you, my friend.

00:55:34.000 It feels like one of those weeks.

00:55:36.000 We're only on Wednesday, but I feel like I've lived two weeks this week.

00:55:39.000 Your POV from the outside looking in.

00:55:42.000 Are we talking about the trial?

00:55:43.000 Yes, sir.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, it seems like we're getting more.

00:55:47.000 Kind of excruciating details about stuff that I think people who are Occam's Razor people, I'm an Occam's Razor people, I always kind of default to the most obvious explanation is the explanation.

00:55:59.000 And occasionally it's not.

00:56:01.000 Occasionally it's very complicated.

00:56:02.000 There's a very conspiratorial web that has actually worked its magic and somehow pulled off some sort of unbelievable thing and pulled the wool out from all of our eyes.

00:56:11.000 It just seems like we're getting a lot of confirmation of the most obvious explanation about what's happening and is deeply painful to watch and it's hurtful.

00:56:19.000 And I think that a lot of the conversation online.

00:56:21.000 Is exposing a lot of people who I'm sure are going to come up in the course of this conversation who have gone out of their way to try to, I think, obfuscate and to cast doubt upon getting clarity for the true victims of Charlie's death.

00:56:36.000 And I think it's all just so horrific, but hopefully there'll be some closure involved at the end when the dust settles.

00:56:44.000 All right.

00:56:45.000 So you want to name names?

00:56:47.000 All right.

00:56:47.000 Well, here's one.

00:56:49.000 This won't be the first time we've mentioned today, but whatever.

00:56:53.000 This is Candace, Sop 45.

00:56:56.000 Who do you think is behind this?

00:56:57.000 I don't think Tyler Robinson was there.

00:57:00.000 This is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot.

00:57:06.000 I do not believe the person walking in the staircase was even the person that we saw running off of the roof.

00:57:11.000 Were we able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure?

00:57:18.000 Yes, we were able to.

00:57:19.000 What are we seeing now?

00:57:21.000 Mr. Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Lowsey building onto the grass area.

00:57:27.000 I don't even know.

00:57:28.000 What day was that person running off the roof?

00:57:30.000 It was just after noon, about 12 15.

00:57:33.000 On what day?

00:57:33.000 September 10th, 2025.

00:57:38.000 So that's that.

00:57:39.000 Your reaction.

00:57:41.000 It's just so devastating to the conservative movement, to Turning Point USA, to Charlie Kirk's family and his legacy, to those who actually did know Charlie and love Charlie and work with him closely for so long that this individual has gone out of her way since his death to try to.

00:57:59.000 Destroy his family, destroy his organization, and is so willingly lying through her teeth, saying things she knows nothing about.

00:58:07.000 And even though there's overwhelming evidence portraying one narrative to go out of her way to suggest that actually that's all fake, that's all smoke and mirrors, and this other narrative of which I have no evidence whatsoever, that's the real narrative.

00:58:21.000 And to continue to peddle this over and over again and to be able to garner attention for it, it's very upsetting.

00:58:26.000 And it comes from a very dark place, and it's a place that we're all going to have to explore, unfortunately.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, you know, it's interesting because there was this expression.

00:58:34.000 Blake and I were discussing it yesterday.

00:58:36.000 It's a medical expression, I think, where they say when you hear the sound of hooves approaching, you probably should look for horses, not zebras.

00:58:46.000 Right? 0.99

00:58:47.000 It's kind of a weird one. 1.00

00:58:48.000 I hadn't heard it before, but somebody brought it up to me yesterday, and I was like, man, that's so true. 0.99

00:58:52.000 What do you think it is about the online space, the social media of it all, that seems to incentivize people looking for zebras? 0.98

00:59:02.000 Anything other than Tyler Robinson being the murderer here.

00:59:06.000 They want anything else to be true.

00:59:09.000 They've even said they would be willing to go on stand to defend Tyler Robinson despite DNA evidence, despite turning himself in, despite the defense not even arguing that he didn't turn himself in, despite the defense not even arguing, you know, shape charges or exploding mics or anything like that.

00:59:28.000 Why this incessant demand to look at any other potential reality other than the one that's staring them right in the face?

00:59:36.000 I think we know why, but I'll let Alex answer.

00:59:38.000 Yeah, I think there's a few potential explanations.

00:59:40.000 Explanations.

00:59:41.000 There's the darkest one where there's literal demonic possession of that individual that you're playing.

00:59:46.000 And that's one that I think a lot of people have wondered like, what's going on?

00:59:49.000 How could you behave so evilly so publicly?

00:59:51.000 The other thing is, of course, clout chasing is just very addictive to get online views, as people know, and people follow their traffic very closely.

00:59:58.000 And that's a very simple answer that could explain some of this. 0.85

01:00:02.000 But I think what's more compelling is Candace is really operating as like a cult leader.

01:00:06.000 If you look at the hallmarks of what a cult leader does, they keep things very vague but also simple.

01:00:11.000 They provide answers that other people don't, even though there's really no evidence behind the answers, but they're very convincing in the way they portray it.

01:00:17.000 They emphasize in this sort of sensational over what's intellectually available to people.

01:00:22.000 And it just does feel like there's almost like a religious nature to some of her followers.

01:00:27.000 It just makes me think that that's what's going on.

01:00:29.000 Also, she kind of disguises, I think, how much she's getting very wealthy off of this process.

01:00:34.000 And that doesn't seem to come up at all.

01:00:36.000 And she accuses all sorts of people.

01:00:37.000 You, Andrew, I heard you've been just printing money since Charlie got assassinated.

01:00:42.000 Even though you start all these businesses with him and your financial future was tied directly to Charlie.

01:00:47.000 No, you've been the greatest beneficiary financially at all. 0.98

01:00:49.000 All of that's classic projection because she's getting rich doing this stuff.

01:00:53.000 And it's just, it's all so sick.

01:00:54.000 And I can't believe we got to keep doing it over and over again.

01:00:56.000 We got to keep watching this stuff.

01:00:57.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 You know, it's interesting, though.

01:00:59.000 It does feel like the tide is turning.

01:01:02.000 Really, I've noticed a massive uptick in brave voices stepping forward and confronting it.

01:01:08.000 And I'm super encouraged by that.

01:01:11.000 This week has been incredibly hard because we're forced to relive this.

01:01:16.000 Awful, awful moment.

01:01:18.000 But it's also been really encouraging to see people look at the evidence, react the right way, you know, that you would think people would react, and then actually speak up and say, Guys, what are we doing here?

01:01:32.000 And so I don't know if you've noticed that too, but I have been personally encouraged to see people moving in the right direction at the very least.

01:01:41.000 It's very tough to maintain any credibility when you go on one of the biggest podcasts in the world and say, I don't think Tyler Robinson was there.

01:01:47.000 And then a week later, you see.

01:01:49.000 Actual footage of him being there specifically, plus more details about you know walking with a limb, things like that, that are also pretty compelling.

01:01:58.000 It's just shredding of credibility, there's no credibility left at that point.

01:02:01.000 But for I think most people who've been observing this, there was no credibility weeks ago, and still it goes on.

01:02:07.000 The charade goes on, the reality TV that takes place on YouTube goes on.

01:02:12.000 So, but I really wanted Blake's explanation too.

01:02:14.000 Blake, dive in.

01:02:14.000 I want to hear what you have to say.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm just on.

01:02:19.000 I think, first of all, I think a lot of leaders I've asserted, I think.

01:02:24.000 I think Candace, for example, was resentful of Charlie while he was alive.

01:02:28.000 I think she was resentful of Erica for being someone Charlie loved more than her.

01:02:32.000 I think she took an ego injury when she was not immediately asked to take over Turning Point.

01:02:38.000 I think all of those things play a role.

01:02:41.000 And I think she just genuinely wants the person who killed Charlie to get away with it.

01:02:45.000 I think she wants that to be the case.

01:02:47.000 And I think a lot of her followers are committed to a similar thing, a similar attack.

01:02:54.000 Because the way they act, they don't act like people who are really interested in the truth.

01:02:58.000 They act like people who are interested in hurting people.

01:03:00.000 That's why I flagged when they're now really interested in the idea of identifying who at Turning Point spoke to Tyler Robinson, whatever random Turning Point volunteer or staffer was helping set up the event.

01:03:13.000 They want to find this person so they can get claws into them, bully them online if they have social media, bully them in real life if they can get away with it, dive into their family members, make these people feel miserable and attacked.

01:03:27.000 Andrew, you and I, we've gotten attacked for a while.

01:03:30.000 We're used to it, we're used to what it is.

01:03:31.000 But if you're Not a public person, that's a really unpleasant process to go through.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, it is.

01:03:35.000 You feel terrorized, and they like the idea of terrorizing someone, even if they're not fully just thinking, oh, I'd love it if the person who killed Charlie got away with it.

01:03:45.000 A lot of people, they find it very addicting to find some excuse to be cruel to somebody, to be nasty to someone, and tell themselves, I'm doing the right thing.

01:03:56.000 I'm a crusader for justice.

01:03:58.000 You always have to look out for that. 1.00

01:04:00.000 This is why lynch mobs are bad, this is why mean girl stuff is bad. 0.93

01:04:05.000 It's very intoxicating. 0.99

01:04:07.000 To be evil and clothe yourself in the mantle of righteousness.

01:04:12.000 And I think that's what's driving this.

01:04:14.000 I think that's part of why I think my cult point is worthwhile because a lot of the followers, it's very hard to pull yourself away from cults when you're so invested.

01:04:21.000 You've been spending all this time, these hours, trusting this individual to bring you the truth, and you realize it's all completely false, all of it's completely bogus.

01:04:29.000 It's very hard for you to admit to yourself that I've been misled, I've been led astray, and I've been wasting a bunch of my time.

01:04:35.000 And people don't necessarily report.

01:04:38.000 Respond to that by saying, Well, now I want the truth.

01:04:40.000 No, people get very angry.

01:04:41.000 They get angry with themselves.

01:04:42.000 They get angry with people surrounding them.

01:04:44.000 And that's what we're witnessing.

01:04:45.000 That's what we're going to witness.

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01:05:47.000 All right, Alex Marlowe.

01:05:50.000 So we have more to get to today, and I'm hopeful that today is going to be the day in the preliminary hearing that we get to see the video of Lance Twiggs, right?

01:06:01.000 Now, yesterday there was all this chatter online, was, you know, because the DNA, they were misinterpreting the testimony that Lance had more DNA on the objects found than Tyler Robinson.

01:06:14.000 We've debunked that earlier in the hour.

01:06:16.000 So, and then they're saying that he wasn't the right height.

01:06:19.000 All that stuff.

01:06:19.000 Okay.

01:06:20.000 Lance Twiggs has limited immunity.

01:06:22.000 And I just want to say this at the top.

01:06:24.000 If it becomes clear that Lance Twiggs had a more direct role in what happened to Charlie, I hope he rots in prison or more.

01:06:34.000 Right now, he's getting limited immunity as a witness for the state to present evidence against Tyler Robinson.

01:06:42.000 I think that is going to be a really, really big moment.

01:06:46.000 I hope today's the day that we get there, but the defense is making this thing drag out.

01:06:50.000 A lot.

01:06:51.000 They've made it take an hour for one of the witnesses to identify the defendant in the courtroom.

01:06:55.000 They took an hour to establish Charlie's Christianity. 0.71

01:06:59.000 Yep.

01:07:00.000 They are taking their time on every aspect of this, but that's one reason we're doing our shows with this focused.

01:07:06.000 We want to make sure people are able to see and digest everything that happens.

01:07:11.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 What are you most anticipating, Alex?

01:07:15.000 For me, that's what it is.

01:07:16.000 Yeah, it's a great point.

01:07:18.000 I hadn't thought of it that way, but it does seem like they're really making sort of pro forma stuff take forever, which is, I don't understand the strategy, but I guess maybe that's all they got because there's so much overwhelming evidence against the defendant here. 1.00

01:07:30.000 But the Twigs.

01:07:32.000 The Twigs angle is very interesting because it just seems implausible that Robinson would have done this without Twigs' coordination.

01:07:41.000 It just seems like that he would do this on behalf of Twigs and then that's it, just like as a favor or something.

01:07:48.000 It seems like there had to have been some sort of deeper connection to it.

01:07:52.000 And just simply saying he had an opportunity to take out Charlie and I'm going to take it, it just seems very thin to me.

01:07:57.000 So there's obviously more there.

01:07:59.000 The question is, what is the more there and how much did they bond over?

01:08:04.000 Hatred of Charlie, which I'm guessing is more substantial than we've known to this point.

01:08:08.000 So I'm definitely curious to see where that goes because, of course, Twiggs is a bad actor in this.

01:08:13.000 Did Twiggs specifically do anything illegal?

01:08:15.000 Everyone watching here would bet yes.

01:08:17.000 So the question is, what is that?

01:08:19.000 Can we figure that out and have him held accountable as well?

01:08:22.000 So last year, a YouTuber named Turkey Tom had a whistleblower come forward, identify himself as either a roommate or like a friend that lived.

01:08:34.000 He was in the same friend group.

01:08:37.000 He would come over to their house a lot.

01:08:39.000 And I really recommend people check this out.

01:08:42.000 Jack Posobic tweeted about it and linked to the episode.

01:08:47.000 And I have been told credibly that this person checks out, that this actually was somebody in their friend group, their friend Orbit.

01:08:55.000 And the story that he tells is one of absolute manic depression, of rampant drug use, black market HRT, extremely graphic and sort of like I want to remember that there's 11 year olds watching this, but sexual.

01:09:13.000 Acts sort of like in the house between Twiggs and Robinson.

01:09:18.000 And remember that Robinson was an LDS kid.

01:09:23.000 He's a Mormon kid who strayed from the Mormon church.

01:09:27.000 His first, I guess, lover, if you will, was this Lance Twiggs character who was very manic, who was very all over the place, and kind of had a really dark side and was trying to transition.

01:09:42.000 Well, it's what we were discussing earlier the way you can construct.

01:09:45.000 This, you can choose to fixate on everything that can possibly undermine it, or you can look for the horse hooves or the zebras.

01:09:51.000 And the horse hoof here is okay, well, what would drive, what kind of person would commit a heinous out of the blue political assassination, basically throw their life away for this sort of thing?

01:10:01.000 And you'd probably think, oh, let's find someone who's living a very bizarre life where they would be marinating in strange online stuff that would radicalize them ideologically.

01:10:11.000 It would make them think insane violent actions are suddenly more comprehensible.

01:10:16.000 They might have.

01:10:17.000 A partner or a friend who's driving them onwards.

01:10:20.000 And lo and behold, this is what we are finding in the case.

01:10:23.000 Yeah.

01:10:24.000 And Tyler Robinson sort of is painted in this as this quiet person that was the only person to comfort.

01:10:30.000 I mean, we're talking images of him coddling him on the couch, rocking him back and forth, trying to make Lance Twiggs okay.

01:10:37.000 And you could see how all of those elements combined would lead somebody like Tyler Robinson, who had been living in this very dark place, detached from reality, disassociating from normal morality.

01:10:48.000 Could think that doing something so heinous was actually an act of love for somebody like Lance Twiggs.

01:10:54.000 Those are just thoughts, but Alex, final.

01:10:58.000 I think it's the, yeah, the radicalization arc is something I think all of us are very curious about.

01:11:02.000 Those of us who knew Charlie and care about him, how could this guy do this and play God in this way?

01:11:09.000 And what was the process for him, seeming like a normal guy with a normal family, to get to this sort of level of evil?

01:11:16.000 And what connection does Lance Twiggs have in that is a curiosity, among many others.

01:11:20.000 So, any more that can be done on that front, hopefully from a legal standpoint, we all want justice.

01:11:25.000 That's number one.

01:11:26.000 But also, I think a lot of people love Charlie, would like some clarity.

01:11:29.000 I think that would help us find some peace if we start to understand more of those details.

01:11:33.000 Man, I certainly would count myself among that group.

01:11:36.000 I mean, that's what's so frustrating about this whole thing.

01:11:38.000 We've been swatting away the gadflies here, and we haven't gotten a chance to be the ones to express our questions because we're constantly trying to deal with the crazies out there.

01:11:50.000 Like, there are legitimate questions.

01:11:52.000 I want to know answers.

01:11:53.000 And by the way, I have been pushing behind the scenes, and so has Blake, and so is Erica.

01:11:57.000 I'll go on the record.

01:11:58.000 I don't feel we ever saw a full satisfactory accounting for the weird videos.

01:12:02.000 Totally saw.

01:12:03.000 Who else was in the Discord chat?

01:12:04.000 I want answers to all of this stuff.

01:12:06.000 And hopefully, we're going to get it the right way.

01:12:10.000 Alex Marlowe, you're a good friend.

01:12:11.000 It's good to see you, my friend.

01:12:13.000 Thanks, guys.

01:12:13.000 I'll talk to you soon.

01:12:18.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 08, 2026

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