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00:01:50.000But actually, in fact, more news than normal is happening.
00:01:53.000And it's even occurred to me it's a lot of stories that I think a mix of ones Charlie would have found very important, like with the rant, and also ones he would have found pretty entertaining.
00:02:03.000You know, Charlie would really love laying into Graham Platner.
00:03:13.000So we're seeing a lot of very preliminary stuff.
00:03:16.000They're having to clear this bar of is there enough evidence to charge this guy?
00:03:20.000And, you know, from what I've seen so far, I thought it was a pretty strong case before all the proceedings started this week.
00:03:29.000And I've moved from, yeah, it's a pretty strong case to kind of, it's like, it's not just open and shut, it's a slam dunk case.
00:03:36.000They know exactly what Tyler Robinson was doing, they know where he was, they know when he was, they've got his DNA on everything.
00:03:43.000I don't expect it's going to be a long trial once the actual trial begins, but I've actually been surprised by how overwhelming the evidence is against Tyler Robinson.
00:03:53.000Yeah, I mean, there's also kind of the social media of it all, right?
00:03:58.000It's something that we've had to kind of be forced to experience firsthand, right?
00:04:03.000With all the conspiracy theories, with all the noise.
00:04:07.000It feels, and man, I've gotten so many texts to this effect.
00:04:13.000It becomes incredibly difficult to hold certain conspiracy theories when you find out there's video evidence of him being on campus four times that day, or when you find out that his DNA is on all the objects that were found on the rooftop where we have video of him going up on the rooftop and dropping down, and so on and so forth.
00:04:32.000What do you think of the state of the internet right now and the social media of it all?
00:04:38.000And what has been the most, I guess, breakthrough bombshell piece of evidence that we've seen so far from your eyes?
00:04:45.000Yeah, you know, the internet's a weird place.
00:04:48.000It's so hard to tell if what you're seeing on it is representative of everyone or whether it's just a particular corner of the internet is really loud.
00:04:55.000And there was a corner of the internet that was super, super loud.
00:04:59.000These are the people who just like think everything they see in real life is true crime and they're a part of the case.
00:05:30.000I think the DNA evidence is pretty overwhelming, not surprising, but overwhelming.
00:05:34.000And then just the way they were able to track him kind of casing everything, moving about.
00:05:39.000Um, the meticulousness which they have tracked him, um, I think is pretty uh amazing.
00:05:47.000That was stuff we hadn't seen so far, and so I think, as far as like some of the crazies, you may have had people who are thinking, like, yeah, yeah, you know, I assume Tyler Robinson did it, but I have some questions about this and about that.
00:05:58.000I think you're going to even see that level of skepticism start to fade away as people are like, yeah, you know, it was this was an interesting thing to muse about when there was a vacuum and nothing big going on, but now that the rubber's.
00:06:13.000They were actually to the point where we're going to be able to convict and then hold accountable the person who did it.
00:06:18.000I think you're going to see a lot of the nuttiness and a lot of the craziness kind of just melt away.
00:06:23.000I'm hoping you're right, Sean, although I'm also paying attention and it's very easy to see there are a good number of people where I just think they come in with motivated reasoning.
00:06:32.000They've always been committed to, I am not going to believe the case against Tyler Robinson and they will find whatever they possibly can.
00:06:40.000So, for example, yesterday we had, as we mentioned, the footage.
00:06:44.000On campus, four different times on it on campus, wearing normal clothes so you can easily tell who it is.
00:06:51.000And they're still running with, Oh, actually, we think this is the wrong height for that person.
00:06:56.000We think, Oh, they're wearing the same shoes, but different clothes we're wearing.
00:07:59.000Oh, so you're going to go find another person to loop into your theories, another person to harass, another person to dig into every single one of their family members.
00:08:16.000They want the person who killed Charlie to get away with it.
00:08:18.000Yeah, you know, it's so I've worked, you know, in investigative journalism for 15 years.
00:08:24.000Before that, I was an investigator on the Hill for an investigative committee.
00:08:29.000And then, one thing you really learn as someone who investigates stuff and gets into it is you have to learn not to get too bought in to like a particular theory because this weird sort of confirmation bias kicks in and then it becomes like its own echo chamber and kind of self fulfilling prophecy.
00:08:47.000You'll find this little tidbit and you'll get super excited.
00:08:51.000But you have to learn, you know, at some point, the facts need to fit the theory instead of looking constantly for ways to make the theory fit the facts.
00:09:01.000That's obviously what Candace is doing.
00:09:02.000That's what a lot of these people are doing.
00:09:04.000You know, whether she's nuts, whether she's dishonest, whether she's dumb, whether it's a combination of all three, a lot of people don't have the discernment or self control once they kind of reach the point of no return to just be like, oh, you know, I was wrong.
00:11:07.000They have no ability to really mount war against us.
00:11:09.000So it's kind of just like these little pot shots from the woods that they have.
00:11:13.000And when you take that into account, of course, peace is possible.
00:11:15.000As long as you have a president who is willing to have peace, as long as you have people over there who are willing to have it, it's possible.
00:11:23.000And so I think you have to understand that it's possible going forward.
00:11:26.000If you just throw up your hands and are like, oh, it's all over, everything's done, it's going to be war forever, I think that's probably a self defeating thought, probably a self fulfilling prophecy.
00:11:57.000You said that dealing with the Iranians is a waste of time.
00:12:00.000How do you plan to get the nuclear material and the nuclear assurances that you want?
00:12:04.000Well, we've already got the nuclear material because it's so far underground, nobody's going to be able to get it except us because we have the equipment that you can get it.
00:12:28.000I feel like that's a perfect encapsulation of how President Trump can pivot a little bit because he's really talked about getting the nuclear dust.
00:12:36.000And now that the war's back on, he's actually, we're the only ones who can get the nuclear dust anyway.
00:12:41.000So it's a nice to have, not a need to have.
00:13:11.000Obviously, you want the Strait of Hormuz open and you want the energy flowing freely to the world, but there is this other thing where our production has ramped up.
00:13:19.000The other regional partners in that area have been rerouting oil and gas around Iran.
00:13:27.000They're currently constructing pipelines.
00:13:30.000Is this something that we could just sort of Outlast them on?
00:13:34.000Yeah, that's a great question, especially in light of what's going on in Turkey with NATO.
00:13:41.000So I think the first question you ask is Does the US need the Strait of Hormuz?
00:13:54.000They're the ones who are getting hurt the most.
00:13:56.000Now, obviously, there are spot price impacts that affect the overall global price of oil there, but it's Europe that needs that oil.
00:14:04.000And so with Trump being there, With NATO, I think he's going to go in and make the case like, hey, Europe, hey, NATO, remember, you exist to protect NATO, to protect Europe.
00:14:14.000That was the whole purpose of NATO, to protect Europe from the Soviet Union.
00:14:19.000So this seems to be like maybe your problem to solve Europe and NATO.
00:14:25.000You know, we went in there, we removed the bomb, the crap out of the regime, made it impossible for them to go after their neighbors.
00:14:32.000And now that the only thing left that is the really major point of leverage is the Strait of Hormuz.
00:14:38.000It's probably a good idea for you, NATO, and you, Turkey, and you, Europe, to take some ownership and accountability here.
00:14:45.000And maybe you go and work on fixing this problem because it's actually not a big deal from the U.S.
00:14:50.000We can go and bomb Iran whenever we feel like it with impunity.
00:14:53.000But until that strait is totally open, it doesn't impact us all that much.
00:14:58.000So the fact that all of this is happening and this escalation is kind of occurring as Trump is in Turkey dealing with NATO, I think is a really, really fascinating aspect of the ongoing hostility over in Iran.
00:15:44.000One of the ideas is just what if we made a war winning level effort to build pipelines so that it doesn't have to go through the Strait of Hormuz anymore?
00:15:52.000I feel like if you look at America in World War II, we could build things still.
00:15:59.000I think we could build pipelines and say, you know what?
00:16:01.000Strait of Hormuz doesn't matter anymore because all the gas is just going in a pipe to the Red Sea, to the Indian Ocean, wherever we need it to go.
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00:18:28.000You have gone out on social media and you have said you spoke with Senator McConnell and that he was sharp.
00:18:36.000Just tell us about that because I'm still seeing it online that people think that.
00:18:40.000We should set some context here just because people have only been watching us that Mitch McConnell has been in the hospital and there's been rumors, conspiracy theories, if you want to say online, that he is.
00:19:03.000Well, as you all well know, a lot of people say crazy things on the internet that simply aren't true.
00:19:08.000And so, look, the Senator and I, I think for the audience's context, we go back over 30 years.
00:19:15.000As a teenager, I met him for the first time, and I was a McConnell Scholar at the University of Louisville, which is a scholarship program.
00:19:22.000And, you know, I was a reporter when I was in college, and then I became a political operative.
00:19:34.000Number two, he has been in the hospital for several weeks.
00:19:38.000And of course, when you, you know, I've known someone for so long and they're at this age and they're in the hospital, it's quite concerning.
00:19:43.000And the truth is, I hadn't spoken to him.
00:19:44.000I've gotten a few text messages, but I haven't spoken to him.
00:19:47.000So when he called me yesterday morning to chat, I was heartened by that because I had also seen the same things you all had seen.
00:19:55.000And so I just put out a quick report, you know, hey, talk to Mitch McConnell and, you know, here's some of the issues he was discussing.
00:20:01.000I'm a little surprised everybody lost their minds over it because I was just kind of reporting on, you know, what had happened.
00:20:08.000But we talked for about 17 minutes and it was sort of.
00:20:18.000And then I also saw that he talked to Senator Barrasso and Senator Thune.
00:20:21.000So he was clearly working the phones yesterday.
00:20:25.000I think a lot of people are upset with him for one reason or the other, and they want to, frankly, in a very macabre or terrible way, just sort of wish cast his demise.
00:20:36.000But my report was basically that he was up and about making calls and able to chat about some of the issues of the day.
00:20:44.000Well, and listen, Scott, I certainly have my political differences with Senator McConnell, but I do not wish him ill.
00:22:00.000Right now, as far as I know, he plans to continue to serve out his term.
00:22:04.000I didn't ask him specifically about that, Andrew.
00:22:07.000But as far as I know, he intends to serve out his term.
00:22:10.000I think in Kentucky, if you get past a certain date in August, if there were to be a vacancy, they would just have the election in November and then the term would.
00:22:20.000You know, the new senator would take over in January anyway.
00:22:24.000So I don't really have anything to say about it other than, you know, he seemed like he was, you know, sort of engaging in the news and the issues of the day, which sounded to me like someone who intended to come back to work as soon as he's able to do so.
00:22:37.000And Scott, I just want to just give you, you know, a vote of confidence in the fact that you would be willing to step into the breach and say something true and to do it fearlessly, even though, you know, the usual suspects online are going to cry foul.
00:22:54.000And I love that about you because my experience with you and my friendship with you has been that you are a fearless truth teller.
00:23:01.000Even if I disagree with you on something or whatever, I'm not saying I do.
00:23:05.000I'm just saying it doesn't matter to you.
00:23:07.000You're going to speak what you believe to be the truth and you're going to do it fearlessly.
00:23:11.000And you've been excellent on the whole Charlie thing as well and the incoming that we've had and all these crazy zany conspiracy theories and the attacks on Erica and the attacks on the org and turning their attention now on, I don't know, what is it?
00:23:27.000Ben Shapiro is the new thing this morning.
00:23:30.000But just explain from your vantage point.
00:23:32.000You know, I don't talk to you every day.
00:23:34.000Your vantage point, what you're seeing out there.
00:23:37.000I keep getting a lot of people that are texting me saying the tide has turned.
00:23:40.000I think the evidence has been overwhelming.
00:23:42.000I've seen people, truth tellers on social media, get louder and more bold.
00:23:48.000Well, first of all, I'm enormously frustrated for you and for the Turning Point team because of what you have to deal with.
00:23:55.000And I'm enormously frustrated and frankly angry for Erica because the things that are said and the people who are doing it for self aggrandizement purposes, for monetization purposes, for engagement purposes.
00:24:09.000I just think it's awful what they have done.
00:24:11.000So I get very emotionally frustrated on your behalf, and I'm not the one that has to deal with it every single day.
00:24:19.000I think this hearing this week, from my perspective, though, has sort of the conspiracy theorists and the people who've been trying to create false narratives.
00:24:27.000I mean, they've kind of run into a brick wall this week because evidence is evidence, testimony is testimony, facts are facts.
00:24:35.000And when those things show up and blow up your conspiracy theories, I think it's quite embarrassing for these people.
00:24:40.000So Do I think that you're ever going to get rid of all these people who are trying to do what they do for their own personal reasons?
00:24:49.000No, but I think every rational person out there is looking at the facts and the evidence and saying, okay, we know the truth, we know what happened, and this process is now playing out as it should in a court of law.
00:25:39.000People probably don't fully realize just how busy his life is.
00:25:41.000He dedicated the better part of this week to go be in Utah with Erica.
00:25:46.000And this is what he told Fox News this morning SOT 32.
00:25:49.000I haven't been that vocal because I haven't known what's real and what's not.
00:25:51.000But having literally been there in the room, seen the evidence with my own eyes, you know, it's very clear to me that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty.
00:26:02.000I think that's representative of a lot of people, Scott.
00:26:07.000Well, I mean, I saw his interview as well, and I thought it was so great that he went and then made that statement because a lot of people listen to Donald Trump Jr., and when he speaks and does so with such clarity, You know, hopefully, all the people that see the things that's being served to them by their algorithm understand that, you know, this is a credible voice, someone who loved Charlie, took the time to go and review what was happening in person, and he's giving you an actual report.
00:26:33.000And I think that's really, you know, what's unfortunate here is a lot of people who are making a lot of money for themselves and a lot of attention for themselves, they have no idea what the facts are.
00:26:56.000I think the people who are out peddling the conspiracy theories are going to be outraged by this and they're going to lash out and they're going to say mean things about it.
00:27:04.000But Donald Trump Jr. did what I think any good friend would do, and that's to say, I wanted to get the facts for myself.
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00:30:17.000This has been the big story unfolding the past two days while we've been covering the trial.
00:30:21.000The big national story Graham Plattner, the communist adjacent lunatic, the Nepo baby, fake oyster farmer, pathological liar, very bad guy in essentially all ways.
00:30:34.000So naturally, he ran away with the Democrat nomination to challenge Susan Collins in Maine.
00:32:36.000And there's even threats that more is going to drop.
00:32:39.000And it's all perfectly timed because they want to get him out right now.
00:32:44.000Because if they get him out right now, they can basically put up a new candidate, some random flunky, and then they probably think they can beat Susan Collins with a warm body as long as it's not Graham Platner.
00:35:06.000Anybody that Hassan Piker is like, yeah, put him up there is probably a degenerate person who probably does awful things and who probably wants to destroy the country.
00:35:17.000The Democrats are all complicit in this because they pushed him and pushed him and pushed him.
00:35:22.000They excused, they ignored, they gave license to this, they created the permission structure.
00:35:27.000And then when the polling fell, they finally decided oh, we're not going to get the power that we thought we were going to get politically.
00:35:35.000And so we're going to toss them overboard because they're a bunch of frauds and phonies.
00:35:39.000An absolute, absolute indictment of the moral bankruptcy of the Democrat Party.
00:35:46.000And these are all the same people, by the way, that say that this, you know, E. Jean Carroll is a reason that Donald Trump.
00:35:53.000Should be thrown out and all this stuff.
00:35:54.000Well, they were silent until the polling dropped for Graham Platner.
00:36:03.000It's like it gets at Democrats have realized they've been losing the white working class for ages because they are a party that hates white men, straight white men, and they're always desperate to get them back.
00:36:14.000And they very easily fall for a person like Graham Platner because he's the kind of guy that a lot of their voters fall for.
00:36:21.000These disgusting phonies, these rakish guys, these damaged guys, and they think, I can fix him.
00:36:27.000And now the entire party is paying the price.
00:37:36.000You want to know a fighter, a fearless guy that's willing to go into the breach, say hard things, go into hard places, puts himself at risk sometimes, and I hope he stays really safe?
00:38:29.000It genuinely blows my mind that people still believe that Tyler Robinson.
00:38:35.000Is fully responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination.
00:38:39.000Truly, like the people that believe that narrative, I have to believe that they have just not done their own research because how can you believe the narrative that they are pushing?
00:39:33.000They had a person of interest, they had no named suspect.
00:39:37.000And it's almost like they're already setting the stage for you should show mercy on Tyler Robinson because he cooperated with the process by turning himself in before he was a named suspect.
00:39:49.000And meanwhile, you have people online who.
00:39:58.000Someone asked me about that last night, and I just said, you know, at a minimum, if it's Lance Twiggs, that just means Tyler Robinson colluded with him in this murder, and at least we have one of them.
00:41:06.000Means we don't have a round chambered So if an officer deployed with his rifle he would chamber around Once he had done whatever task it was that he was doing in order to put that weapon back He would eject the magazine and eject the round sometimes in doing so rounds are dropped or not accounted for So it sounds pretty simple cam somebody on campus probably double racked Their gun to get cruiser ready.
00:41:33.000And it was a crazy chaotic scene, and they didn't collect the bolt.
00:41:37.000They're supposed to, but accidents do happen.
00:41:42.000I mean, you can just observe from the footage right after the shot was fired.
00:41:46.000Everybody is running around, and then the police are chasing down potential suspects.
00:41:51.000The initial guy who came forward and said he did it, and then they find out, oh, maybe it was somebody else that was up on the roof of this other building.
00:42:00.000And just like he said, they cruise without a round in the chamber.
00:42:04.000If you've chambered around because you're ready to fight somebody because there's just been a shot fired, you're going to eject that so it can be put back in the vehicle for procedure afterwards.
00:42:13.000If you eject the round and it kind of flies out and you miss where it landed, it's a perfectly plausible justification or explanation for how a stray round could have landed on the ground.
00:42:23.000I mean, there were plenty of armed people there, the good guys, right?
00:42:26.000So, and the other thing that I noticed too is people were actually taking out of context the officer's testimony about when he went up on the roof and he said, it's just a little sidebar.
00:42:38.000When he went up on the roof and he said, I don't think that we've got our guy or we don't have the right guy or whatever, it was because that initial guy came forward and said, I'm the one who did it.
00:43:10.000They tried to keep him out of these GOP meetings.
00:43:13.000I believe that certain high profile politicians in the state basically said this guy's going to get somebody killed because he's such a loon.
00:44:34.000Does that mean the 5% was from Twiggs, and the 95%, that 95% is assumed from the defendant, the Robinson?
00:44:42.000When I calculated the statistic, Twiggs' DNA profile aligned with the 5% contributor, and Mr. Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the 95% contributor.
00:46:10.000You rarely have as much evidence as we have been fortunate enough to collect in this case of a confession of DNA, of video footage of them at the scene.
00:46:36.000This is actually the surveillance footage that was presented at court.
00:46:39.000This massive, massive bombshell footage of Tyler Robinson once he comes back in the long pants and his different legs are bending, I guess.
00:47:44.000Prove there was coordination between Tyler Robinson, who they say didn't do it, by the way, and Turning Point staff.
00:47:52.000When I table, I get people that come up to me and they start trying to debate me while I'm setting up.
00:47:57.000So, like, definitely half the time when those people are kind of just around you in the setup phase, and I set up my own tables with whoever I'm with, whether it's Turning Point people or my people or whatever, people just come up all the time.
00:48:10.000And most of the time, you don't agree with those people.
00:48:12.000Most of the time, those people are not conservatives who just want to root you on, you know.
00:48:27.000As you said, people get tethered to their particular weird theories.
00:48:31.000Everything sets up as you would expect.
00:48:34.000A person who wants to do a shooting shows up the first time to confirm the event is on, make sure, find out what time it's all going to start, shows up a second time to scope out where he plans to commit the crime, shows up a third time to commit the crime, shows up a fourth time to try and retrieve evidence.
00:48:55.000I've said earlier in the show, Cam, I think some people, they really are just motivated by an intense desire to see the killer get away with it.
00:49:04.000I don't feel like they're looking for truth when they decide to fixate on, oh, who's this turning point person that the suspect spoke with?
00:49:50.000That only makes it more appealing to these people because they'll think, oh, a college student, that's an easier person to bully, an easier person to harass.
00:50:42.000Okay, I don't know what the killer's weight was, but we do know that based on the mugshot, he was about 72 inches tall.
00:50:47.000The change was carrying the stock in the front.
00:50:52.000You can see down here, the jeans are a little bit baggier, but if you pull them back, you remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right here in the thigh?
00:51:50.000I mean, They act like this is not possible, even just the putting the rifle down the pants thing.
00:51:55.000But I've seen multiple variations of the same video that you just showed where different people are either shoving a whole 30-odd six down their pants or they're disassembling a 30-odd six and putting the barrel down one and the stock down the other.
00:52:09.000And they have close to full motion in both cases if they really want to do full motion.
00:52:14.000Now, Tyler Robinson might have been a little bit more skittish because he's going to assassinate somebody.
00:52:19.000So he might not have bent his legs as much just because he didn't want maybe the.
00:52:23.000Barrel would poke through his legs and somebody would realize something's off, but totally possible.
00:53:39.000So, my response on social media was like, I remember when I first heard that Tom Cruise was only 5'7", looked a lot bigger on all those movies for a long time.
00:55:44.000Yeah, it seems like we're getting more.
00:55:47.000Kind of excruciating details about stuff that I think people who are Occam's Razor people, I'm an Occam's Razor people, I always kind of default to the most obvious explanation is the explanation.
00:56:02.000There's a very conspiratorial web that has actually worked its magic and somehow pulled off some sort of unbelievable thing and pulled the wool out from all of our eyes.
00:56:11.000It just seems like we're getting a lot of confirmation of the most obvious explanation about what's happening and is deeply painful to watch and it's hurtful.
00:56:19.000And I think that a lot of the conversation online.
00:56:21.000Is exposing a lot of people who I'm sure are going to come up in the course of this conversation who have gone out of their way to try to, I think, obfuscate and to cast doubt upon getting clarity for the true victims of Charlie's death.
00:56:36.000And I think it's all just so horrific, but hopefully there'll be some closure involved at the end when the dust settles.
00:57:41.000It's just so devastating to the conservative movement, to Turning Point USA, to Charlie Kirk's family and his legacy, to those who actually did know Charlie and love Charlie and work with him closely for so long that this individual has gone out of her way since his death to try to.
00:57:59.000Destroy his family, destroy his organization, and is so willingly lying through her teeth, saying things she knows nothing about.
00:58:07.000And even though there's overwhelming evidence portraying one narrative to go out of her way to suggest that actually that's all fake, that's all smoke and mirrors, and this other narrative of which I have no evidence whatsoever, that's the real narrative.
00:58:21.000And to continue to peddle this over and over again and to be able to garner attention for it, it's very upsetting.
00:58:26.000And it comes from a very dark place, and it's a place that we're all going to have to explore, unfortunately.
00:58:31.000Yeah, you know, it's interesting because there was this expression.
00:58:34.000Blake and I were discussing it yesterday.
00:58:36.000It's a medical expression, I think, where they say when you hear the sound of hooves approaching, you probably should look for horses, not zebras.
00:59:09.000They've even said they would be willing to go on stand to defend Tyler Robinson despite DNA evidence, despite turning himself in, despite the defense not even arguing that he didn't turn himself in, despite the defense not even arguing, you know, shape charges or exploding mics or anything like that.
00:59:28.000Why this incessant demand to look at any other potential reality other than the one that's staring them right in the face?
00:59:36.000I think we know why, but I'll let Alex answer.
00:59:38.000Yeah, I think there's a few potential explanations.
00:59:41.000There's the darkest one where there's literal demonic possession of that individual that you're playing.
00:59:46.000And that's one that I think a lot of people have wondered like, what's going on?
00:59:49.000How could you behave so evilly so publicly?
00:59:51.000The other thing is, of course, clout chasing is just very addictive to get online views, as people know, and people follow their traffic very closely.
00:59:58.000And that's a very simple answer that could explain some of this.
01:00:02.000But I think what's more compelling is Candace is really operating as like a cult leader.
01:00:06.000If you look at the hallmarks of what a cult leader does, they keep things very vague but also simple.
01:00:11.000They provide answers that other people don't, even though there's really no evidence behind the answers, but they're very convincing in the way they portray it.
01:00:17.000They emphasize in this sort of sensational over what's intellectually available to people.
01:00:22.000And it just does feel like there's almost like a religious nature to some of her followers.
01:00:27.000It just makes me think that that's what's going on.
01:00:29.000Also, she kind of disguises, I think, how much she's getting very wealthy off of this process.
01:00:34.000And that doesn't seem to come up at all.
01:01:18.000But it's also been really encouraging to see people look at the evidence, react the right way, you know, that you would think people would react, and then actually speak up and say, Guys, what are we doing here?
01:01:32.000And so I don't know if you've noticed that too, but I have been personally encouraged to see people moving in the right direction at the very least.
01:01:41.000It's very tough to maintain any credibility when you go on one of the biggest podcasts in the world and say, I don't think Tyler Robinson was there.
01:01:49.000Actual footage of him being there specifically, plus more details about you know walking with a limb, things like that, that are also pretty compelling.
01:01:58.000It's just shredding of credibility, there's no credibility left at that point.
01:02:01.000But for I think most people who've been observing this, there was no credibility weeks ago, and still it goes on.
01:02:07.000The charade goes on, the reality TV that takes place on YouTube goes on.
01:02:12.000So, but I really wanted Blake's explanation too.
01:02:19.000I think, first of all, I think a lot of leaders I've asserted, I think.
01:02:24.000I think Candace, for example, was resentful of Charlie while he was alive.
01:02:28.000I think she was resentful of Erica for being someone Charlie loved more than her.
01:02:32.000I think she took an ego injury when she was not immediately asked to take over Turning Point.
01:02:38.000I think all of those things play a role.
01:02:41.000And I think she just genuinely wants the person who killed Charlie to get away with it.
01:02:45.000I think she wants that to be the case.
01:02:47.000And I think a lot of her followers are committed to a similar thing, a similar attack.
01:02:54.000Because the way they act, they don't act like people who are really interested in the truth.
01:02:58.000They act like people who are interested in hurting people.
01:03:00.000That's why I flagged when they're now really interested in the idea of identifying who at Turning Point spoke to Tyler Robinson, whatever random Turning Point volunteer or staffer was helping set up the event.
01:03:13.000They want to find this person so they can get claws into them, bully them online if they have social media, bully them in real life if they can get away with it, dive into their family members, make these people feel miserable and attacked.
01:03:27.000Andrew, you and I, we've gotten attacked for a while.
01:03:30.000We're used to it, we're used to what it is.
01:03:31.000But if you're Not a public person, that's a really unpleasant process to go through.
01:03:35.000You feel terrorized, and they like the idea of terrorizing someone, even if they're not fully just thinking, oh, I'd love it if the person who killed Charlie got away with it.
01:03:45.000A lot of people, they find it very addicting to find some excuse to be cruel to somebody, to be nasty to someone, and tell themselves, I'm doing the right thing.
01:04:07.000To be evil and clothe yourself in the mantle of righteousness.
01:04:12.000And I think that's what's driving this.
01:04:14.000I think that's part of why I think my cult point is worthwhile because a lot of the followers, it's very hard to pull yourself away from cults when you're so invested.
01:04:21.000You've been spending all this time, these hours, trusting this individual to bring you the truth, and you realize it's all completely false, all of it's completely bogus.
01:04:29.000It's very hard for you to admit to yourself that I've been misled, I've been led astray, and I've been wasting a bunch of my time.
01:05:50.000So we have more to get to today, and I'm hopeful that today is going to be the day in the preliminary hearing that we get to see the video of Lance Twiggs, right?
01:06:01.000Now, yesterday there was all this chatter online, was, you know, because the DNA, they were misinterpreting the testimony that Lance had more DNA on the objects found than Tyler Robinson.
01:06:14.000We've debunked that earlier in the hour.
01:06:16.000So, and then they're saying that he wasn't the right height.
01:07:18.000I hadn't thought of it that way, but it does seem like they're really making sort of pro forma stuff take forever, which is, I don't understand the strategy, but I guess maybe that's all they got because there's so much overwhelming evidence against the defendant here.
01:08:19.000Can we figure that out and have him held accountable as well?
01:08:22.000So last year, a YouTuber named Turkey Tom had a whistleblower come forward, identify himself as either a roommate or like a friend that lived.
01:08:37.000He would come over to their house a lot.
01:08:39.000And I really recommend people check this out.
01:08:42.000Jack Posobic tweeted about it and linked to the episode.
01:08:47.000And I have been told credibly that this person checks out, that this actually was somebody in their friend group, their friend Orbit.
01:08:55.000And the story that he tells is one of absolute manic depression, of rampant drug use, black market HRT, extremely graphic and sort of like I want to remember that there's 11 year olds watching this, but sexual.
01:09:13.000Acts sort of like in the house between Twiggs and Robinson.
01:09:18.000And remember that Robinson was an LDS kid.
01:09:23.000He's a Mormon kid who strayed from the Mormon church.
01:09:27.000His first, I guess, lover, if you will, was this Lance Twiggs character who was very manic, who was very all over the place, and kind of had a really dark side and was trying to transition.
01:09:42.000Well, it's what we were discussing earlier the way you can construct.
01:09:45.000This, you can choose to fixate on everything that can possibly undermine it, or you can look for the horse hooves or the zebras.
01:09:51.000And the horse hoof here is okay, well, what would drive, what kind of person would commit a heinous out of the blue political assassination, basically throw their life away for this sort of thing?
01:10:01.000And you'd probably think, oh, let's find someone who's living a very bizarre life where they would be marinating in strange online stuff that would radicalize them ideologically.
01:10:11.000It would make them think insane violent actions are suddenly more comprehensible.
01:10:24.000And Tyler Robinson sort of is painted in this as this quiet person that was the only person to comfort.
01:10:30.000I mean, we're talking images of him coddling him on the couch, rocking him back and forth, trying to make Lance Twiggs okay.
01:10:37.000And you could see how all of those elements combined would lead somebody like Tyler Robinson, who had been living in this very dark place, detached from reality, disassociating from normal morality.
01:10:48.000Could think that doing something so heinous was actually an act of love for somebody like Lance Twiggs.
01:10:54.000Those are just thoughts, but Alex, final.
01:10:58.000I think it's the, yeah, the radicalization arc is something I think all of us are very curious about.
01:11:02.000Those of us who knew Charlie and care about him, how could this guy do this and play God in this way?
01:11:09.000And what was the process for him, seeming like a normal guy with a normal family, to get to this sort of level of evil?
01:11:16.000And what connection does Lance Twiggs have in that is a curiosity, among many others.
01:11:20.000So, any more that can be done on that front, hopefully from a legal standpoint, we all want justice.
01:11:26.000But also, I think a lot of people love Charlie, would like some clarity.
01:11:29.000I think that would help us find some peace if we start to understand more of those details.
01:11:33.000Man, I certainly would count myself among that group.
01:11:36.000I mean, that's what's so frustrating about this whole thing.
01:11:38.000We've been swatting away the gadflies here, and we haven't gotten a chance to be the ones to express our questions because we're constantly trying to deal with the crazies out there.