00:00:01.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Andy No and Lauren Boebert.
00:00:04.000We talk about the Twitter hearings and more.
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00:01:55.000Charlie, thanks so much for having me on.
00:01:57.000And, you know, we're working towards justice in this.
00:02:00.000And I don't know if we can ever fully get justice.
00:02:03.000I mean, our country has just been in shambles the past two years because of the collusion between the federal government and big tech and so many other things that were taking place, tens of thousands of ballots mailed out illegally.
00:02:47.000I don't think that we learned anything beyond the information that we already had.
00:02:52.000The witnesses were not answering questions.
00:02:55.000They were very careful with their questions, with their answers.
00:03:00.000Obviously, we have Jim Baker, former FBI agent, who's working at Twitter.
00:03:03.000He's not the only former FBI agent that was employed by Twitter before Elon Musk stepped in.
00:03:10.000And, you know, these people are good at crafting their answers and avoiding answers.
00:03:15.000Many things that were revealed through the Twitter files, even we were asking questions about them and the four witnesses said that they didn't have any knowledge of these communications that were taking place.
00:03:29.000Even when I asked Mr. Ross if he had denied any requests by the FBI to communicate things like private information with American citizens communication data without going through proper legal channels.
00:03:48.000And we have that evidence through email with Mr. Roth and the FBI.
00:03:55.000And he actually denied the agents that access to the private citizens' communication data, which I commend that.
00:04:03.000But why was the FBI even requesting that without going through legal channels?
00:04:09.000There were multiple meetings set up with FBI agents and Twitter.
00:04:13.000In fact, there were so many that they set up weekly scheduled meetings to have conversations with Twitter.
00:04:22.000They took Mr. Roth out to the Aspen Institute in Aspen, Colorado, to talk about to have these meetings.
00:04:36.000And so, even the things that we had hard evidence of, the witnesses were not answering correctly or not answering at all.
00:04:44.000So, I think the information that we put out as members of Congress are just another step towards revealing the truth to the American people.
00:04:55.000Obviously, these are not individuals that should be trusted.
00:05:00.000They were in collusion with the federal government.
00:05:03.000I even mentioned to Mr. Baker, who said there was absolutely no collusion between the federal government and big tech.
00:05:11.000I said, Mr. Baker, you are the collusion.
00:05:15.000This is you connecting your colleagues, your former colleagues, with Twitter.
00:05:24.000These four tricksters from Twitter understand one thing, which is in order to not answer a question in front of Congress, what is legally permissible as kind of a loophole and a middle ground is the sudden, inexplicable phenomena of amnesia.
00:05:50.000I don't remember the poor soul who was a congressional staffer that had I don't remember on their bingo card of the drinking game of the Twitter hearings would have to have their stomach pumped.
00:06:20.000Again and again, we saw the speech of a small number of abusive users drive away countless others.
00:06:27.000Unrestricted free speech, paradoxically, results in less speech, not more.
00:06:32.000And it was our job in trust and safety to try to strike an appropriate balance.
00:06:38.000But the importance of this work goes far beyond Twitter's business prospects and into the realm of national security.
00:06:44.000And so, Lauren, what he's trying to make an argument, he's reading from pre-written remarks, is that the more we shut people up, the more we speak.
00:06:55.000You know, this is part of the left's ideology.
00:07:51.000And the federal government has a monopoly on power.
00:07:55.000It's completely unchecked by the people.
00:07:58.000They want to go into our public schools and teach our children as young as kindergarten or even preschool about comprehensive sex ed, teaching our children how to have and enjoy same-sex sex, how to teach our children how to pleasure themselves.
00:08:15.000I mean, 10 years ago, you would have said they would never go this far, but they're here and they're going even further.
00:08:23.000So this is why this is so important right now.
00:08:25.000We have a razor-thin majority in the House, but it's still a majority.
00:08:30.000We are actually able to have oversight in the House of Representatives.
00:08:34.000And really, we have to carry the oversight of the Senate as well.
00:08:38.000There's been no real oversight in Congress for the past two years.
00:08:42.000And really even beyond that, it was fake Russia hoax that they were playing into.
00:08:49.000And now anytime any Democrat gets the mic, the first words out of their mouth are MAGA, Republicans, extremists, January 6th, the end of democracy.
00:09:42.000I mean, all of this is so ridiculous from the left.
00:09:44.000And we finally have the gavel to have actual oversight to bring in our witnesses of choice, bring them in, whether it's under subpoena, whether they're willful, and pepper them with questions to get truth out to the American people.
00:09:58.000And I'm so excited that we are able to have this opportunity.
00:10:27.000And really, I do want to say to Speaker McCarthy's credit, he's doing a fantastic job and he is holding true to all the commitments that he made.
00:10:35.000And that's why we're able to be so aggressive and get after this the way we are.
00:11:43.000And it was seemingly unrelated to the topic that was at hand, which was the social media companies.
00:11:54.000But Nancy Mace, who is no movement conservative, let me tell you that.
00:11:59.000Nancy Mace is very moderate, very moderate, went on a very revealing tangent yesterday where she said the vaccine, specifically the booster shot, has significantly damaged her health.
00:12:20.000This is a congresswoman who is not, quote unquote, on the fringe, who is not on the outside.
00:12:28.000This is a mainstream Republican congressperson that, quite honestly, I have called a rhino before.
00:12:35.000And I probably still stand by that categorization.
00:12:39.000This is someone who does not exactly dive into the zeitgeist of Robert Malone and Peter McCullough, right?
00:12:48.000That's not really the water she swims in, okay?
00:12:51.000So I actually think this makes her contention even more credible.
00:12:57.000If there was ever going to be someone who is a pro-vax Republican, it would be her.
00:13:02.000And I am not asking, I'm asking our team to do this for a separate reason, not to be cruel or to put in her face, because I actually have sympathy for her because her honesty takes courage and I feel really bad for her.
00:13:10.000But I guarantee you, if we look up either on her congressional Twitter account or her Twitter account, she was probably promoting the vaccine at some point.
00:13:16.000So if we could find that tweet, again, I have sympathy for her.
00:13:19.000I just wish she would have listened to us.
00:13:23.000Nancy Mace, in an extraordinary tape, this should have been everywhere yesterday.
00:14:01.000Twitter's unfettered censorship spread into medical fields and affected millions of Americans by suppressing expert opinions from doctors and censoring those who disagree with the CDC.
00:14:11.000I have great regrets about getting this shot because of the health issues that I now have that I don't think are ever going to go away.
00:14:18.000And I know that I'm not the only American who has those kinds of concerns.
00:14:23.000And that's an extraordinarily powerful statement that she wished she would have been able to hear other voices.
00:14:59.000Nancy Mace was encouraging all of her constituents to get the available COVID-19 vaccine to increase their protection against the deadly virus.
00:15:10.000And I actually say that not as a way to say, oh, Nancy, you should have been smarter, because now she actually has the courage to say, I regret.
00:15:18.000Honestly, God bless you, Nancy Mace, for having the honesty and the integrity for admitting that you made a mistake and then also pointing to the tech companies that did not give you the ability to hear the full story.
00:15:30.000I think she actually deserves to be commended for this.
00:15:32.000And I actually feel a sense of sympathy because she was so believing and trusting of medical establishment that she thought if a doctor says it, there's no way.
00:15:43.000Can we get that tape that Andrew just cut here?
00:15:47.000And again, I want to make my position clear because there are some people that are going to take this and say, oh, look at you.
00:16:50.000It is a tragedy because there is now an unknown amount of people in America that are going to suffer medically because of bad information that they received.
00:17:58.000I have occasional heart pain that no doctor can explain.
00:18:01.000Of course, they can't explain it because they can't blame the vaccine.
00:18:05.000And I have great regrets about getting the shot and tremors in her hand.
00:18:09.000All of that is consistent with what we hear from other people in the audience, macro, and also consistent, precisely consistent with the predictions that Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Brett Weinstein made in April of 2021.
00:18:24.000They said, this is what's going to happen.
00:18:25.000You're going to have a lot of myocarditis, a lot of pericarditis.
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00:20:27.000Well, most of your listeners may have heard of me because of my reporting on Antifa.
00:20:33.000I do that in newswriting, and a lot of it actually happens through tweets.
00:20:37.000I break a lot of stories on my Twitter.
00:20:42.000And one of the projects that I have ongoing is that I document violent extremist far-left accounts that organize openly on Twitter.
00:20:50.000I mean, this was part of the apparatus that caused 2020 to be so successful in violent riots across the U.S. is because a lot of the riots were organized on Twitter.
00:21:05.000So as part of my primary evidence gathering, I screenshot the original tweets.
00:21:10.000I linked to them, these extremist tweets, and I posted so that people can see this is what is on this platform live and active now.
00:21:19.000You know, it's not me editorializing it.
00:21:23.000And for that, I had, I opened up the app on Tuesday night and suddenly I was locked out.
00:21:29.000It said that I had violated a rule, and then it wouldn't say what rule it was empty.
00:21:35.000So I found out, I saw people were letting me know: hey, if you go on my wall, tweet after tweet is just being this tweet has violated the rules.
00:21:45.000And everything I had posted the last couple of days has been related to like Antifa and screenshots of what they say and what they say they will do.
00:21:54.000For example, that just an hour before I was locked out, I posted about Antifa's calls to violently attack the TPUSA University of Oregon campus event.
00:22:06.000And that was one of the tweets that was affected.
00:22:09.000So the current head of Twitter Trust and Safety in some of her public statements on Twitter said that by screenshotting these posts, I was amplifying the threats to violence and was preventing Twitter from being able to minimize or prevent harm.
00:22:30.000Now, look, you know, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
00:22:33.000It's there's no one-size-fits-all solution to, you know, when you have issues like this on Twitter.
00:22:40.000However, I am of the view that bringing attention to these tweets doesn't amplify the threat.
00:22:48.000It actually nullifies it because one, the public is informed, two, potentially law enforcement.
00:22:54.000You know, I have 1.1 million followers.
00:22:56.000Three, the targets of that violence or threats is also made aware.
00:23:02.000And she suggested that the Twitter Trust and Safety Head said, well, you know, the threats can be redacted.
00:23:10.000But then if that's, you know, if the posts are censored, then the threat can be downplayed.
00:23:15.000I could be accused of being manipulating the evidence.
00:23:19.000And then it would also give the left, the far left another excuse that it's not really as bad as I say.
00:23:26.000So, I mean, there was, you know, among supporters such as yourself and other conservatives, brought attention to what happened to me.
00:23:34.000And within a day, my account was unlocked.
00:23:40.000But it seems like the new policy going forward, based on her tweets, is that journalists like myself is going to have to make that editorial decision to censor certain aspects.
00:23:53.000And I wrote a report for the post-millennial outlining that it's not actually quite clear-cut what to censor sometimes.
00:24:00.000For example, many of these calls to violence will say something like, you know what to do, and then they'll post an address of, let's say, a business, let's say Pregnancy Resource Center.
00:24:11.000Okay, one, the address of that business is public, so it's not a private type thing.
00:24:16.000Would I censor the name of the charity or the nonprofit?
00:25:19.000But when you come in here, when you come in here and you lie about the way that our society should be, when you come in here and you spread this type of shit, it's what makes these generals bad.
00:25:51.000So what you heard there is two black conservatives, Stephen Davis and Anthony Watson, who are part of the Turning Point USA team, being shouted down by massed white liberals at the University of Oregon in Eugene because two black conservatives dare would have a different opinion.
00:26:08.000But the white liberals, of course, want to control black people again.
00:26:12.000A lot of liberals want to go back to slavery.
00:26:15.000So Andy, why is this not exactly, you know, why is this even a question on the modern Twitter?
00:26:22.000Have you seen Twitter improve at all since Elon took it over?
00:26:28.000In some regards, you know, I brought a lot of attention to some of these violent extremist accounts by doing the thing that I was just punished for.
00:26:35.000And some of those accounts, really high-profile extremist accounts, actually subsequently got banned after I brought attention, you know, brought up the receipts.
00:26:44.000They said this, this, and this, and this.
00:26:46.000This is where you can find those posts.
00:26:50.000But then this seems like a big, you know, step backwards now with this new rule.
00:26:55.000And, you know, I just wanted to weigh in a little bit on what you just said.
00:27:00.000These aren't, these radical militant leftists are not liberals.
00:27:05.000This is the, I think the mistake is that liberals have as well is that they think that these Antifa are allies with them.
00:27:13.000And strategically, they do use them sometimes as foot soldiers to carry out exactly shock troops to carry out violence.
00:27:20.000But if you, as I, as I write in my book and have talked about extensively, the project of Antifa is the overthrow of the rule of law of the United States, of the nation state, period, which would destroy, obviously, the Democrat Party, liberal, mainstream establishment as well.
00:27:39.000So they're playing a really dangerous game here because they see, I think, a temporary benefit in that, you know, these shock troops can shut down through violence or intimidation or, you know, just disruption the right.
00:27:59.000And there's, you know, some historical precedent for in history and other places where these militants have been used and it actually, you know, benefits like extremist elements.
00:28:18.000A lot of times with what Antifa does is that they create the enemies they say they're out there to fight.
00:28:25.000They actually are a radicalizing element.
00:28:27.000This is the thing that people don't quite understand is that when people see over and over that these extremists can, in some jurisdictions in America, carry out violence against American citizens, it creates a reaction where people want to form their own groups or like, you know, sort of like militia type groups.
00:28:49.000And it just, it's an escalation of political violence on the streets.
00:28:54.000And yeah, and unfortunately, a lot of that organizing takes place on Twitter, which I try my best to illuminate.
00:29:02.000And I'm not quite sure exactly how to do that going forward now.
00:29:16.000We're getting a lot of emails about friend of this program and great American patriot James O'Keefe.
00:29:22.000I'll be very honest, I'm just as much in the dark on this as many of you are.
00:29:27.000I know a little bit more that I'm not totally at liberty to say with some private conversations there.
00:29:33.000But let me just kind of go through what we know publicly.
00:29:34.000If you haven't heard about the story, you probably soon will.
00:29:38.000Yesterday, the New York Magazine, not the New York Post, New York Magazine reported that the board of directors for Project Veritas voted to put James O'Keefe on two-week leave.
00:29:52.000That then snowballed into rumor mill and Twitter conversations into potentially saying that James O'Keefe was being pushed out permanently of Project Veritas.
00:30:03.000I'm not sure if that has been substantiated, but that certainly feels as if what is happening here.
00:30:09.000I received probably 10 phone calls on this topic as if I had some sort of inside information.
00:30:15.000I can say, though, that the people that I'm talking about in the universe of Project Veritas are saying that some of the stuff on Twitter is actually very accurate, some of it's not.
00:30:22.000We're going to talk a little bit about this because I do have some concern that just sending James O'Keefe out to pasture after all he's done for our movement, I think we should be slow to do that.
00:30:45.000And I've been in this fight with James for 10 years.
00:30:50.000I've been fighting with James, not with James, alongside James of this stuff.
00:30:54.000And he's been doing it different way than I have, but we've probably been at, I have no exaggeration, we've probably been at 100 events together, donor events and conferences and all this sort of stuff.
00:31:06.000And so I'm told, at least by some of the people I'm communicating with, that, oh, there's more to this story and you're going to find out.
00:31:26.000This now has to be decided in the public eye.
00:31:29.000As someone who started an organization from nothing, very similarly, almost simultaneously, by the way, as O'Keefe started his, I can tell you that these things don't happen overnight, and you put a lot of work into it, and you travel 330 days a year.
00:31:48.000And you have to raise money and you have to communicate with donors and you have to hire staff and you have to accomplish metrics and you just pour your everything into it.
00:32:00.000And so then the Daily Beast came out with a story saying, well, James O'Keefe is mean to his staff and that he mismanaged money.
00:32:08.000And their example of mismanaging money was kind of honestly, it was not a really strong one.
00:32:13.000It's that he had his team come with him when he did some sort of production for Oklahoma.
00:32:18.000He's a musical guy, not exactly my thing, but it's his thing.
00:32:21.000And they spent $20,000 on it, apparently.
00:34:57.000The point is, over a decade of sacrifice and toil and work and commitment, shouldn't we just kind of press pause and say, let's try to figure this out to empower James O'Keefe to be able to expose more deeds of darkness?
00:35:16.000Maybe there's something I'm missing because they say, oh, there's all this stuff and you'll find out.