The Charlie Kirk Show - February 10, 2023


Old Twitter, New Twitter, Same Twitter? with Rep. Lauren Boebert and Andy Ngo


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Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Andy No and Lauren Bobert join me to talk about the latest in the ongoing saga of the hearings. We talk about what we learned, what we didn't learn, and what we can do to move forward.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:01.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Andy No and Lauren Boebert.
00:00:04.000 We talk about the Twitter hearings and more.
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00:00:20.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:21.000 Here we go.
00:00:22.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:24.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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00:01:07.000 Let's play clip 100 from the Twitter hearings yesterday, PlayCut 100.
00:01:13.000 You silenced members of Congress from communicating with their constituents. 0.95
00:01:18.000 You silenced me from communicating with the American people over a freaking joke. 0.99
00:01:24.000 Election interference? 0.99
00:01:25.000 Yeah, I would say that that was taking place because of you four sitting here.
00:01:32.000 Direct election interference.
00:01:35.000 How do you even get close to justice when an election that is completed and finished was completely tampered with by a company?
00:01:45.000 Who do these people think they are?
00:01:46.000 That's what Lauren Bobert asked. 0.99
00:01:48.000 And she joins us now, Congressman Bobert from the 3rd Congressional District of Colorado.
00:01:54.000 Welcome back to the program.
00:01:55.000 Charlie, thanks so much for having me on.
00:01:57.000 And, you know, we're working towards justice in this.
00:02:00.000 And I don't know if we can ever fully get justice.
00:02:03.000 I mean, our country has just been in shambles the past two years because of the collusion between the federal government and big tech and so many other things that were taking place, tens of thousands of ballots mailed out illegally.
00:02:18.000 You know, the list goes on and on.
00:02:21.000 But we certainly are working to get truth out to the American people, truth that was suppressed, that was censored, that was silenced.
00:02:28.000 And we are making sure that the truth is known to the American people so this doesn't ever happen again.
00:02:35.000 So what was, what did you learn yesterday, if anything?
00:02:39.000 And it's okay if you didn't.
00:02:41.000 You sat there for a couple hours with these people.
00:02:41.000 I'm just curious.
00:02:43.000 Did you learn anything?
00:02:47.000 I don't think that we learned anything beyond the information that we already had.
00:02:52.000 The witnesses were not answering questions.
00:02:55.000 They were very careful with their questions, with their answers.
00:03:00.000 Obviously, we have Jim Baker, former FBI agent, who's working at Twitter.
00:03:03.000 He's not the only former FBI agent that was employed by Twitter before Elon Musk stepped in.
00:03:10.000 And, you know, these people are good at crafting their answers and avoiding answers.
00:03:15.000 Many things that were revealed through the Twitter files, even we were asking questions about them and the four witnesses said that they didn't have any knowledge of these communications that were taking place.
00:03:29.000 Even when I asked Mr. Ross if he had denied any requests by the FBI to communicate things like private information with American citizens communication data without going through proper legal channels.
00:03:48.000 He said no.
00:03:48.000 And we have that evidence through email with Mr. Roth and the FBI.
00:03:55.000 And he actually denied the agents that access to the private citizens' communication data, which I commend that.
00:04:03.000 But why was the FBI even requesting that without going through legal channels?
00:04:09.000 There were multiple meetings set up with FBI agents and Twitter.
00:04:13.000 In fact, there were so many that they set up weekly scheduled meetings to have conversations with Twitter.
00:04:22.000 They took Mr. Roth out to the Aspen Institute in Aspen, Colorado, to talk about to have these meetings.
00:04:36.000 And so, even the things that we had hard evidence of, the witnesses were not answering correctly or not answering at all.
00:04:44.000 So, I think the information that we put out as members of Congress are just another step towards revealing the truth to the American people.
00:04:55.000 Obviously, these are not individuals that should be trusted.
00:05:00.000 They were in collusion with the federal government.
00:05:03.000 I even mentioned to Mr. Baker, who said there was absolutely no collusion between the federal government and big tech.
00:05:11.000 I said, Mr. Baker, you are the collusion.
00:05:13.000 You are the federal government.
00:05:15.000 This is you connecting your colleagues, your former colleagues, with Twitter.
00:05:24.000 These four tricksters from Twitter understand one thing, which is in order to not answer a question in front of Congress, what is legally permissible as kind of a loophole and a middle ground is the sudden, inexplicable phenomena of amnesia.
00:05:47.000 I don't remember.
00:05:49.000 I don't remember.
00:05:50.000 I don't remember the poor soul who was a congressional staffer that had I don't remember on their bingo card of the drinking game of the Twitter hearings would have to have their stomach pumped.
00:06:02.000 Let's go to Cut 69.
00:06:04.000 Yo, Roth making the case.
00:06:05.000 This is the guy that was in charge of censorship, that censorship actually leads to more speech.
00:06:12.000 You hear that?
00:06:14.000 Censorship is actually free speech, and war is peace.
00:06:18.000 Play Cut 69.
00:06:20.000 Again and again, we saw the speech of a small number of abusive users drive away countless others.
00:06:27.000 Unrestricted free speech, paradoxically, results in less speech, not more.
00:06:32.000 And it was our job in trust and safety to try to strike an appropriate balance.
00:06:38.000 But the importance of this work goes far beyond Twitter's business prospects and into the realm of national security.
00:06:44.000 And so, Lauren, what he's trying to make an argument, he's reading from pre-written remarks, is that the more we shut people up, the more we speak.
00:06:55.000 You know, this is part of the left's ideology.
00:06:59.000 Obviously, lies are truth.
00:07:02.000 Suppression is freedom.
00:07:04.000 Control is liberty.
00:07:06.000 Men are women. 0.98
00:07:08.000 As long as you say you're a minor attracted person, then age is ageism.
00:07:14.000 If you say that you're not allowed to be attracted to a minor, the left has gone so far.
00:07:20.000 And it's because we give in time and time again.
00:07:25.000 Anytime these red flags come up from the left with their policies, with their rhetoric, we need to shut it down at the beginning.
00:07:34.000 They didn't want sensible gun control. 0.98
00:07:37.000 They didn't want just regular sex education in our public schools.
00:07:44.000 They want to take it to the extreme. 0.54
00:07:46.000 They want American citizens disarmed so they're no longer citizens.
00:07:50.000 They're subjects.
00:07:51.000 And the federal government has a monopoly on power.
00:07:55.000 It's completely unchecked by the people.
00:07:58.000 They want to go into our public schools and teach our children as young as kindergarten or even preschool about comprehensive sex ed, teaching our children how to have and enjoy same-sex sex, how to teach our children how to pleasure themselves. 0.64
00:08:15.000 I mean, 10 years ago, you would have said they would never go this far, but they're here and they're going even further.
00:08:23.000 So this is why this is so important right now.
00:08:25.000 We have a razor-thin majority in the House, but it's still a majority.
00:08:29.000 We have the gavel.
00:08:30.000 We are actually able to have oversight in the House of Representatives.
00:08:34.000 And really, we have to carry the oversight of the Senate as well.
00:08:38.000 There's been no real oversight in Congress for the past two years.
00:08:42.000 And really even beyond that, it was fake Russia hoax that they were playing into.
00:08:49.000 And now anytime any Democrat gets the mic, the first words out of their mouth are MAGA, Republicans, extremists, January 6th, the end of democracy.
00:09:00.000 And they have their talking points.
00:09:02.000 And then they tell us to let this little hiccup go.
00:09:06.000 Hunter Biden's laptop, this was just a hiccup that happened in the media that they suppressed this.
00:09:12.000 Looks so sorry.
00:09:13.000 It was 24 hours.
00:09:14.000 No, it's much more than that.
00:09:16.000 Citizens couldn't even share the story in their DMs, in their direct messages on Twitter, private conversations.
00:09:25.000 They were unable to share this story.
00:09:27.000 This is not a hiccup.
00:09:28.000 AOC called the Hunter Biden laptop half-truth.
00:09:32.000 Half-truth.
00:09:33.000 I mean, which I guess, you know, we could praise her a little bit for at least acknowledging that there's some truth to it.
00:09:40.000 But come on. 0.97
00:09:42.000 I mean, all of this is so ridiculous from the left.
00:09:44.000 And we finally have the gavel to have actual oversight to bring in our witnesses of choice, bring them in, whether it's under subpoena, whether they're willful, and pepper them with questions to get truth out to the American people.
00:09:58.000 And I'm so excited that we are able to have this opportunity.
00:10:02.000 You are doing a wonderful job.
00:10:04.000 It has not even been a month since the speaker election has concluded.
00:10:08.000 I think tomorrow will be officially one month.
00:10:10.000 And look how much is already being done.
00:10:12.000 If this is at least a little bit of a preview, I'm really, really happy, Lauren, with the intensity you brought to the game, the focus.
00:10:20.000 You guys are ready for the big leagues, and it's really, really heartwarming.
00:10:23.000 We are.
00:10:24.000 We're finally going to hold these people accountable.
00:10:26.000 Thank you, Lauren, and God bless you.
00:10:27.000 And really, I do want to say to Speaker McCarthy's credit, he's doing a fantastic job and he is holding true to all the commitments that he made.
00:10:35.000 And that's why we're able to be so aggressive and get after this the way we are.
00:10:39.000 I'm glad you said that.
00:10:40.000 And I agree.
00:10:42.000 He is showing to be a man of his word and he is allowing the oversight attack dogs loose. 0.95
00:10:48.000 And we're going to hold these cockroaches accountable. 0.82
00:10:50.000 Thank you, Lauren.
00:10:51.000 God bless you.
00:10:52.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:10:53.000 Bye.
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00:11:39.000 I want to get to this piece of tape here.
00:11:41.000 It's extraordinary.
00:11:43.000 And it was seemingly unrelated to the topic that was at hand, which was the social media companies.
00:11:54.000 But Nancy Mace, who is no movement conservative, let me tell you that.
00:11:59.000 Nancy Mace is very moderate, very moderate, went on a very revealing tangent yesterday where she said the vaccine, specifically the booster shot, has significantly damaged her health.
00:12:20.000 This is a congresswoman who is not, quote unquote, on the fringe, who is not on the outside.
00:12:28.000 This is a mainstream Republican congressperson that, quite honestly, I have called a rhino before.
00:12:35.000 And I probably still stand by that categorization.
00:12:38.000 Why is that important?
00:12:39.000 This is someone who does not exactly dive into the zeitgeist of Robert Malone and Peter McCullough, right?
00:12:48.000 That's not really the water she swims in, okay?
00:12:51.000 So I actually think this makes her contention even more credible.
00:12:57.000 If there was ever going to be someone who is a pro-vax Republican, it would be her.
00:13:02.000 And I am not asking, I'm asking our team to do this for a separate reason, not to be cruel or to put in her face, because I actually have sympathy for her because her honesty takes courage and I feel really bad for her.
00:13:10.000 But I guarantee you, if we look up either on her congressional Twitter account or her Twitter account, she was probably promoting the vaccine at some point.
00:13:16.000 So if we could find that tweet, again, I have sympathy for her.
00:13:19.000 I just wish she would have listened to us.
00:13:23.000 Nancy Mace, in an extraordinary tape, this should have been everywhere yesterday.
00:13:30.000 This should have been everywhere.
00:13:32.000 She says that her health is now in jeopardy because of the vaccine.
00:13:39.000 Play Cut 106.
00:13:41.000 But I have effects from the vaccine.
00:13:42.000 It wasn't the first shot, but it was a second shot that I now developed asthma that has never gone away since I had the second shot.
00:13:50.000 I have tremors in my left hand, and I have the occasional heart pain that no doctor can explain.
00:13:56.000 And I've had a battery of tests.
00:13:59.000 I find it extremely alarming.
00:14:01.000 Twitter's unfettered censorship spread into medical fields and affected millions of Americans by suppressing expert opinions from doctors and censoring those who disagree with the CDC.
00:14:11.000 I have great regrets about getting this shot because of the health issues that I now have that I don't think are ever going to go away.
00:14:18.000 And I know that I'm not the only American who has those kinds of concerns.
00:14:23.000 And that's an extraordinarily powerful statement that she wished she would have been able to hear other voices.
00:14:31.000 Well, our podcast was suppressed.
00:14:32.000 We know that.
00:14:33.000 Our Instagram was suppressed.
00:14:34.000 We were talking about it.
00:14:36.000 And praise God, we had you, the audience, that supported us through all of that.
00:14:42.000 We were attacked by everybody.
00:14:44.000 How dare you, you know, for talking about it.
00:14:47.000 And look, I am not doing this as a way to rub it in her face.
00:14:53.000 I'm not doing this as a way as like, oh, I'm glad.
00:14:55.000 No, no, no.
00:14:56.000 Let's just go back in the time machine.
00:14:56.000 But it is a fact.
00:14:58.000 Okay.
00:14:59.000 Nancy Mace was encouraging all of her constituents to get the available COVID-19 vaccine to increase their protection against the deadly virus.
00:15:10.000 And I actually say that not as a way to say, oh, Nancy, you should have been smarter, because now she actually has the courage to say, I regret.
00:15:17.000 We all regret things in life.
00:15:18.000 Honestly, God bless you, Nancy Mace, for having the honesty and the integrity for admitting that you made a mistake and then also pointing to the tech companies that did not give you the ability to hear the full story.
00:15:30.000 I think she actually deserves to be commended for this.
00:15:32.000 And I actually feel a sense of sympathy because she was so believing and trusting of medical establishment that she thought if a doctor says it, there's no way.
00:15:43.000 Can we get that tape that Andrew just cut here?
00:15:47.000 And again, I want to make my position clear because there are some people that are going to take this and say, oh, look at you.
00:15:52.000 You were promoting it.
00:15:53.000 Now that's the opposite.
00:15:54.000 I actually think it boosts the case and it bolsters it.
00:15:58.000 In the case of she has no reason to say this, except for the fact that it's true.
00:16:06.000 And of course, it just doesn't get written up anywhere.
00:16:09.000 You write Nancy Mace into Twitter, into the news engine.
00:16:18.000 And what does it say? 0.91
00:16:19.000 Nancy Mace lights up Republicans at press club event.
00:16:23.000 Nancy Mace's Kevin McCarthy's roast leaves DC crowd in shock.
00:16:28.000 House member, it shows all of the ways that Nancy Mace is upset with Republican leadership because they become too conservative.
00:16:36.000 Not one mention.
00:16:38.000 We have the video.
00:16:40.000 We're going to be really close to the break.
00:16:41.000 So let's do it after the break.
00:16:43.000 I think it's important.
00:16:44.000 We'll do it very briefly after the break.
00:16:46.000 But honestly, I pray for Nancy Mace's health.
00:16:48.000 I'm glad she spoke out on it.
00:16:50.000 It is a tragedy because there is now an unknown amount of people in America that are going to suffer medically because of bad information that they received.
00:17:02.000 It's really a tragedy.
00:17:04.000 This was Nancy Mace promoting the vaccine.
00:17:07.000 I really feel sorry for her because now her health has been significantly damaged by it.
00:17:12.000 That's her words, not mine.
00:17:13.000 Play the tape.
00:17:15.000 Congresswoman Nancy Mace here with an important message.
00:17:17.000 Delta is different, it's highly contagious and spreading very quickly.
00:17:22.000 Getting vaccinated offers you the best protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and even death.
00:17:29.000 Vaccinations are free, they're effective, and they are available.
00:17:36.000 Do your part today.
00:17:37.000 Get vaccinated and wear a mask.
00:17:39.000 Let's all get through this pandemic together.
00:17:44.000 And so I think that actually adds more credibility to her testimony yesterday, where in her words, I just want to reiterate her take.
00:17:56.000 I have developed asthma.
00:17:58.000 I have occasional heart pain that no doctor can explain.
00:18:01.000 Of course, they can't explain it because they can't blame the vaccine.
00:18:05.000 And I have great regrets about getting the shot and tremors in her hand.
00:18:09.000 All of that is consistent with what we hear from other people in the audience, macro, and also consistent, precisely consistent with the predictions that Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Brett Weinstein made in April of 2021.
00:18:24.000 They said, this is what's going to happen.
00:18:25.000 You're going to have a lot of myocarditis, a lot of pericarditis.
00:18:27.000 Peter McCullough said it.
00:18:29.000 And like clockwork, it's manifesting itself all across the country.
00:18:33.000 Pierre Corey.
00:18:34.000 And isn't that the scientific method?
00:18:35.000 You have a hypothesis.
00:18:37.000 And then unfortunately, it's now been tested.
00:18:40.000 And it's not like all of a sudden people are having unrelated, like nausea symptoms and all this.
00:18:46.000 But the New York Times says we're the purveyors of disinformation, right?
00:18:49.000 Yeah, right.
00:18:52.000 How dare you notice and ask questions, citizen?
00:18:56.000 It's perfectly normal to have tremors in your hand and heart pain and asthma.
00:19:01.000 We don't know what caused it, but it's certainly not the thing.
00:19:04.000 Whatever it is, it's not the thing.
00:19:04.000 You can't mention the thing.
00:19:06.000 And go get the next round of the thing.
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00:20:14.000 Joining us now is Andy No, great fighter for liberty and freedom.
00:20:19.000 Andy, welcome to the program.
00:20:21.000 Walk us through the latest news with your Twitter account.
00:20:25.000 Thanks for having me on.
00:20:25.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:20:27.000 Well, most of your listeners may have heard of me because of my reporting on Antifa.
00:20:33.000 I do that in newswriting, and a lot of it actually happens through tweets.
00:20:37.000 I break a lot of stories on my Twitter.
00:20:42.000 And one of the projects that I have ongoing is that I document violent extremist far-left accounts that organize openly on Twitter.
00:20:50.000 I mean, this was part of the apparatus that caused 2020 to be so successful in violent riots across the U.S. is because a lot of the riots were organized on Twitter.
00:21:05.000 So as part of my primary evidence gathering, I screenshot the original tweets.
00:21:10.000 I linked to them, these extremist tweets, and I posted so that people can see this is what is on this platform live and active now.
00:21:19.000 You know, it's not me editorializing it.
00:21:22.000 You can see it for yourself.
00:21:23.000 And for that, I had, I opened up the app on Tuesday night and suddenly I was locked out.
00:21:29.000 It said that I had violated a rule, and then it wouldn't say what rule it was empty.
00:21:35.000 So I found out, I saw people were letting me know: hey, if you go on my wall, tweet after tweet is just being this tweet has violated the rules.
00:21:45.000 And everything I had posted the last couple of days has been related to like Antifa and screenshots of what they say and what they say they will do.
00:21:54.000 For example, that just an hour before I was locked out, I posted about Antifa's calls to violently attack the TPUSA University of Oregon campus event.
00:22:06.000 And that was one of the tweets that was affected.
00:22:09.000 So the current head of Twitter Trust and Safety in some of her public statements on Twitter said that by screenshotting these posts, I was amplifying the threats to violence and was preventing Twitter from being able to minimize or prevent harm.
00:22:30.000 Now, look, you know, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
00:22:33.000 It's there's no one-size-fits-all solution to, you know, when you have issues like this on Twitter.
00:22:40.000 However, I am of the view that bringing attention to these tweets doesn't amplify the threat.
00:22:48.000 It actually nullifies it because one, the public is informed, two, potentially law enforcement.
00:22:54.000 You know, I have 1.1 million followers.
00:22:56.000 Three, the targets of that violence or threats is also made aware.
00:23:02.000 And she suggested that the Twitter Trust and Safety Head said, well, you know, the threats can be redacted.
00:23:10.000 But then if that's, you know, if the posts are censored, then the threat can be downplayed.
00:23:15.000 I could be accused of being manipulating the evidence.
00:23:19.000 And then it would also give the left, the far left another excuse that it's not really as bad as I say.
00:23:26.000 So, I mean, there was, you know, among supporters such as yourself and other conservatives, brought attention to what happened to me.
00:23:34.000 And within a day, my account was unlocked.
00:23:37.000 Those posts were restored.
00:23:40.000 But it seems like the new policy going forward, based on her tweets, is that journalists like myself is going to have to make that editorial decision to censor certain aspects.
00:23:53.000 And I wrote a report for the post-millennial outlining that it's not actually quite clear-cut what to censor sometimes.
00:24:00.000 For example, many of these calls to violence will say something like, you know what to do, and then they'll post an address of, let's say, a business, let's say Pregnancy Resource Center.
00:24:11.000 Okay, one, the address of that business is public, so it's not a private type thing.
00:24:16.000 Would I censor the name of the charity or the nonprofit?
00:24:21.000 What would I censor there?
00:24:22.000 Or sometimes they don't even say anything.
00:24:24.000 They'll use emojis like the toy gun emoji, the fire emoji, the break emoji.
00:24:30.000 So this is what I mean when now that I am being people like myself who's bringing attention to violent extremism is being punished.
00:24:40.000 Whereas some of these tweets, by the way, the original ones that were making the threats were still online, whereas I was locked out.
00:24:48.000 That's the irony here.
00:24:49.000 Andy No is an investigative journalist at the post-millennial.
00:24:53.000 And post-millennial does a wonderful job.
00:24:55.000 You guys have got to check it out.
00:24:56.000 Author of Unmasked, Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy.
00:25:00.000 You could follow him at Andy-No.
00:25:03.000 That is N-G-O.com. 1.00
00:25:05.000 Let's play Cut 108 of Antifa disrupting our turning point USA event at the University of Oregon in Eugene, Oregon.
00:25:12.000 Play Cut 108.
00:25:14.000 We don't want this on our college campuses.
00:25:16.000 You are miseducating the people here. 0.99
00:25:19.000 But when you come in here, when you come in here and you lie about the way that our society should be, when you come in here and you spread this type of shit, it's what makes these generals bad. 0.99
00:25:32.000 You want to play the game. 1.00
00:25:33.000 Let's play the game, baby.
00:25:34.000 I'm not here to play the game.
00:25:34.000 Let's play the game.
00:25:36.000 I'm here to disrupt.
00:25:38.000 You got to understand that.
00:25:39.000 Why are you not trying to shut down my voice?
00:25:42.000 What's the point of me being here?
00:25:47.000 Why are you supposed to uplift black voices? 0.98
00:25:48.000 Let me hear not in every situation.
00:25:51.000 So what you heard there is two black conservatives, Stephen Davis and Anthony Watson, who are part of the Turning Point USA team, being shouted down by massed white liberals at the University of Oregon in Eugene because two black conservatives dare would have a different opinion. 0.78
00:26:08.000 But the white liberals, of course, want to control black people again.
00:26:12.000 A lot of liberals want to go back to slavery. 0.88
00:26:14.000 They just won't admit it.
00:26:15.000 So Andy, why is this not exactly, you know, why is this even a question on the modern Twitter?
00:26:22.000 Have you seen Twitter improve at all since Elon took it over?
00:26:28.000 In some regards, you know, I brought a lot of attention to some of these violent extremist accounts by doing the thing that I was just punished for.
00:26:35.000 And some of those accounts, really high-profile extremist accounts, actually subsequently got banned after I brought attention, you know, brought up the receipts.
00:26:44.000 They said this, this, and this, and this.
00:26:46.000 This is where you can find those posts.
00:26:48.000 And they were suspended.
00:26:50.000 But then this seems like a big, you know, step backwards now with this new rule.
00:26:55.000 And, you know, I just wanted to weigh in a little bit on what you just said.
00:27:00.000 These aren't, these radical militant leftists are not liberals.
00:27:05.000 This is the, I think the mistake is that liberals have as well is that they think that these Antifa are allies with them.
00:27:13.000 And strategically, they do use them sometimes as foot soldiers to carry out exactly shock troops to carry out violence.
00:27:20.000 But if you, as I, as I write in my book and have talked about extensively, the project of Antifa is the overthrow of the rule of law of the United States, of the nation state, period, which would destroy, obviously, the Democrat Party, liberal, mainstream establishment as well.
00:27:39.000 So they're playing a really dangerous game here because they see, I think, a temporary benefit in that, you know, these shock troops can shut down through violence or intimidation or, you know, just disruption the right.
00:27:56.000 But this is a very dangerous game.
00:27:59.000 And there's, you know, some historical precedent for in history and other places where these militants have been used and it actually, you know, benefits like extremist elements.
00:28:18.000 A lot of times with what Antifa does is that they create the enemies they say they're out there to fight.
00:28:25.000 They actually are a radicalizing element.
00:28:27.000 This is the thing that people don't quite understand is that when people see over and over that these extremists can, in some jurisdictions in America, carry out violence against American citizens, it creates a reaction where people want to form their own groups or like, you know, sort of like militia type groups.
00:28:49.000 And it just, it's an escalation of political violence on the streets.
00:28:54.000 And yeah, and unfortunately, a lot of that organizing takes place on Twitter, which I try my best to illuminate.
00:29:02.000 And I'm not quite sure exactly how to do that going forward now.
00:29:06.000 Andy, thank you for your great work.
00:29:08.000 Check out Andy-Snow and check out his book.
00:29:10.000 Thank you so much, Andy.
00:29:11.000 Thank you.
00:29:16.000 We're getting a lot of emails about friend of this program and great American patriot James O'Keefe.
00:29:22.000 I'll be very honest, I'm just as much in the dark on this as many of you are.
00:29:27.000 I know a little bit more that I'm not totally at liberty to say with some private conversations there.
00:29:33.000 But let me just kind of go through what we know publicly.
00:29:34.000 If you haven't heard about the story, you probably soon will.
00:29:38.000 Yesterday, the New York Magazine, not the New York Post, New York Magazine reported that the board of directors for Project Veritas voted to put James O'Keefe on two-week leave.
00:29:52.000 That then snowballed into rumor mill and Twitter conversations into potentially saying that James O'Keefe was being pushed out permanently of Project Veritas.
00:30:03.000 I'm not sure if that has been substantiated, but that certainly feels as if what is happening here.
00:30:09.000 I received probably 10 phone calls on this topic as if I had some sort of inside information.
00:30:14.000 I don't.
00:30:15.000 I can say, though, that the people that I'm talking about in the universe of Project Veritas are saying that some of the stuff on Twitter is actually very accurate, some of it's not.
00:30:22.000 We're going to talk a little bit about this because I do have some concern that just sending James O'Keefe out to pasture after all he's done for our movement, I think we should be slow to do that.
00:30:35.000 And so I don't know all the details.
00:30:36.000 You don't know all the details.
00:30:38.000 I will say though, James O'Keefe is a friend of mine, so I'm very biased.
00:30:41.000 I defend my friends, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that bias.
00:30:44.000 And I'm loyal.
00:30:45.000 And I've been in this fight with James for 10 years.
00:30:50.000 I've been fighting with James, not with James, alongside James of this stuff.
00:30:54.000 And he's been doing it different way than I have, but we've probably been at, I have no exaggeration, we've probably been at 100 events together, donor events and conferences and all this sort of stuff.
00:31:06.000 And so I'm told, at least by some of the people I'm communicating with, that, oh, there's more to this story and you're going to find out.
00:31:13.000 And we can't talk about it.
00:31:14.000 And there's all this stuff about James.
00:31:16.000 And it's like, okay, well, what is that?
00:31:19.000 Why are you kicking him out of his own organization?
00:31:21.000 I mean, I'm all ears.
00:31:23.000 And so, look, it's a tragedy.
00:31:26.000 This now has to be decided in the public eye.
00:31:29.000 As someone who started an organization from nothing, very similarly, almost simultaneously, by the way, as O'Keefe started his, I can tell you that these things don't happen overnight, and you put a lot of work into it, and you travel 330 days a year.
00:31:46.000 James certainly has.
00:31:48.000 And you have to raise money and you have to communicate with donors and you have to hire staff and you have to accomplish metrics and you just pour your everything into it.
00:32:00.000 And so then the Daily Beast came out with a story saying, well, James O'Keefe is mean to his staff and that he mismanaged money.
00:32:08.000 And their example of mismanaging money was kind of honestly, it was not a really strong one.
00:32:13.000 It's that he had his team come with him when he did some sort of production for Oklahoma.
00:32:18.000 He's a musical guy, not exactly my thing, but it's his thing.
00:32:21.000 And they spent $20,000 on it, apparently.
00:32:25.000 And like, that's an excess benefit.
00:32:27.000 It's not exactly something that I would, I mean, you figure that out in a board meeting.
00:32:33.000 You say, don't do it again, and you repay it.
00:32:36.000 And by the way, they even reported it as an excess benefit.
00:32:38.000 So then James had to pay tax on that, just so we're clear.
00:32:41.000 So that had to be added to his tax return.
00:32:42.000 I mean, $20,000.
00:32:44.000 And by the way, it's not like James went to Barbados.
00:32:46.000 He was going to this production of Oklahoma.
00:32:49.000 And if I remember correctly, he was also promoting Project Veritas through all that.
00:32:52.000 So it could be justified as a business expense.
00:32:54.000 Seems somewhat murky in the middle, but that's the reason.
00:32:56.000 Maybe there's more.
00:32:56.000 And then I'm being told by some people in the circle of Project Veritas.
00:33:00.000 There's so much more to the story, and you're going to learn about it.
00:33:02.000 And I was like, yeah, okay, but look, I happen to be in a spot where I know what it takes to build something big.
00:33:09.000 I didn't do it alone.
00:33:10.000 It takes a team.
00:33:11.000 We have an amazing team here.
00:33:12.000 Tyler, Andrew, the whole team's worked their tail off for a decade.
00:33:16.000 And I hate to see this stuff kind of be aired publicly, but we can't lose James O'Keefe.
00:33:25.000 Let me just say that again.
00:33:26.000 We can't lose James O'Keefe.
00:33:30.000 And this is right after one of the great journalistic accomplishments, probably the greatest in O'Keefe's career, the Pfizer videos.
00:33:39.000 Like Pfizer video, James O'Keefe put on two-week paid leave.
00:33:46.000 So I'm told repeatedly, there's more to the story.
00:33:48.000 You're going to learn more to the story.
00:33:49.000 There's more to the story.
00:33:50.000 I can't say it.
00:33:51.000 I'm all NBA'd up.
00:33:54.000 And I'm all ears, and I'm sure you guys are too.
00:33:59.000 But I sure hope this is not a power grab against James because that would be really bad.
00:34:09.000 And they say, well, James is abusive to staff and all this.
00:34:12.000 Look, he might be intense.
00:34:15.000 He might be tough on people and hard on people.
00:34:18.000 All this stuff should just be handled privately.
00:34:20.000 Or no one's perfect, okay?
00:34:22.000 No one operates.
00:34:24.000 If all men were angels, government would not be necessary. 0.78
00:34:27.000 Just read Federalist 51.
00:34:30.000 I do think it's disappointing that all this now has to be kind of resolved on Twitter and board fights and all this.
00:34:36.000 And we should just take a step back, and this is my opinion on this.
00:34:40.000 And say, in the last decade, has James O'Keefe earned not just the benefit of the doubt?
00:34:49.000 Because I don't know, maybe James O'Keefe yelled at somebody or what it doesn't bother me.
00:34:53.000 Honestly, I have a thick skin with that stuff.
00:34:55.000 That's not the point.
00:34:57.000 The point is, over a decade of sacrifice and toil and work and commitment, shouldn't we just kind of press pause and say, let's try to figure this out to empower James O'Keefe to be able to expose more deeds of darkness?
00:35:16.000 Maybe there's something I'm missing because they say, oh, there's all this stuff and you'll find out.
00:35:20.000 And I was like, I don't know, man.
00:35:22.000 I don't like it.
00:35:24.000 And I'm guessing many of you agree with me.
00:35:27.000 And I'd love your thoughts.
00:35:28.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:35:30.000 So that is where we are at with this story.
00:35:33.000 I'm going to be covering it as closely as I possibly can.
00:35:37.000 James remains a friend of mine and somebody that I really respect.
00:35:44.000 He's very special.
00:35:45.000 And boy, does he have the weight of the world on his shoulders without this?
00:35:50.000 Raided by the FBI, all this stuff.
00:35:51.000 And I don't like that he has to deal with this.
00:35:55.000 And I hope you guys stand with him too.
00:35:58.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:35:59.000 Everybody, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:36:04.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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