The Charlie Kirk Show - One of the Most Enjoyable Conversations I've Ever Had with Historian Bill Federer and Rob McCoy

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00:01:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:24.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:01:33.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:34.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:35.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:37.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:42.000 Turning point USA.

00:01:44.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:52.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:55.000 We are here with Bill Federer and Rob McCoy.

00:01:58.000 Bill, welcome back to the program.

00:01:59.000 Hey, Charlie, great to be with you.

00:02:00.000 Bill is the history whiz.

00:02:02.000 Yes, he is.

00:02:03.000 Is that, I mean, Rob, I've never met anyone like Bill.

00:02:07.000 Prolific is one way to describe you.

00:02:10.000 How many books?

00:02:10.000 It's about 25.

00:02:12.000 All history books.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, I try to learn lessons from history.

00:02:18.000 People say history repeats itself.

00:02:19.000 Really, human nature repeats itself, and you observe the patterns.

00:02:23.000 It's sort of like the government is collecting all the information on you and all the listeners from their cell phones and emails and web searches, and they're taking all that data and running an algorithm on it to get predictive.

00:02:34.000 And so if you study enough history and you see the patterns, you can be predictive, right?

00:02:39.000 And so I tell people that history is not prophetic, but it is predictive.

00:02:44.000 So what does history tell you about the moment we're in?

00:02:49.000 Or tell us?

00:02:51.000 The default setting for human nature is gangs, tribes.

00:02:57.000 Power wants to concentrate into the hands of one person.

00:03:00.000 And you go back through history and you have the most common form of governments, kings, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Caesar, Kaiser, Sultan Tsar.

00:03:08.000 And you can plot it out.

00:03:09.000 At some point, it's going to max out on a global level. 0.58

00:03:12.000 And, you know, if Genghis Khan killed 30 million people, if he hadn't died, he'd have been happy to keep killing. 0.70

00:03:17.000 You know, Mao Zedong kills 80 million if he hadn't died. 0.85

00:03:21.000 And so that spirit is still there.

00:03:23.000 And then, but Jesus says wheat and tares grow together till the harvest.

00:03:26.000 So you always have, you know, I always try to spiritualize, but you always have the spiritual descendants of Cain always trying to kill the spiritual descendants of Abel.

00:03:35.000 You know, and the only thing that changes over time is military advancements allow the king to kill more people and technological advancements allow him to attract more people.

00:03:46.000 The stakes get higher, but it's that same fallen nature.

00:03:50.000 And at the same time, the stories we love best in the Bible are when things look hopeless and God raises up little nobodies with faith and courage.

00:03:58.000 And whether it's a David, a Gideon, a Moses, this is just our turn.

00:04:02.000 And so it's exciting.

00:04:04.000 And I think, you know, I don't can't speak for women.

00:04:07.000 There is such a thing as a woman. 1.00

00:04:09.000 And can't speak for women, but as men, we sort of like a fight.

00:04:12.000 Yeah.

00:04:12.000 I don't know.

00:04:13.000 I'm one of 11 kids, five brothers, five sisters.

00:04:15.000 You know, we would like always be wrestling.

00:04:18.000 And boys play cowboys and Indians and army men.

00:04:22.000 And it's sort of like we get to participate in the great struggle of all humanity.

00:04:27.000 So you study history.

00:04:29.000 Has there ever been a nation like America?

00:04:31.000 No.

00:04:32.000 So that would be the one thing that is different.

00:04:34.000 Yes.

00:04:35.000 It stands out atop of history.

00:04:37.000 Yes.

00:04:38.000 Why?

00:04:39.000 If I were to sum up in one word, it would be individual.

00:04:44.000 So America, you have rights and worth as an individual.

00:04:47.000 And the government's job is to protect your individual rights.

00:04:50.000 Every other culture, your worth and value is as part of a group. 0.94

00:04:55.000 So it's called honor-shame culture in the Far East. 0.90

00:04:58.000 If the group honors you, your worth goes up.

00:05:00.000 If the group shames you, your worth goes down.

00:05:01.000 In Islam, they call it the Uma, the community.

00:05:04.000 And if you're shamed in front of your community, they'll even kill their own daughter if she embarrasses them right in front of their group.

00:05:11.000 But the Judeo-Christian model is you have a worth because you're made in the image of God, not because you're a Brahmin in the highest caste or a Muslim male, or you can contribute to society.

00:05:22.000 You're worth something because you're made in the image of God.

00:05:24.000 And this God says there's no respect for persons in judgment.

00:05:27.000 Where did they come up with such a profound idea?

00:05:31.000 Actually, the law of Moses, right?

00:05:34.000 When Moses comes down the mountain, and the law says that every individual is made in the image of God.

00:05:39.000 And it's this awareness for 400 years, Israel didn't have a king.

00:05:43.000 So there was no hierarchy, no royal family to butter up next to.

00:05:48.000 And the idea is that God is watching everyone.

00:05:52.000 He wants you to be fair, and he's going to hold you accountable in the future.

00:05:56.000 Why didn't medieval Europe that had the law of Moses?

00:05:59.000 Why didn't they get this right? 0.81

00:06:02.000 Kings, they had the structure of once the Roman Empire fell, you basically reverted back to kings.

00:06:15.000 You did have in England the code of Alfred the Great, right?

00:06:22.000 A little history, you have the Viking invaders. 0.91

00:06:26.000 Right. 0.78

00:06:27.000 So you have Ireland and Patrick, and he would get rid of the Druid religion, and the Irish come to Patrick and say, okay, we don't chop off heads anymore. 0.97

00:06:36.000 How are we going to do government? 0.93

00:06:38.000 And so Patrick took a little of the Latin law, a little bit of the Bible, and a little bit of the Irish law, and he put it together.

00:06:44.000 It's called the Code of Patrick. 0.59

00:06:45.000 And so when these Irish missionaries would evangelize, they'd not just take the gospel, they'd take this Code of Patrick, and they would go into Europe and evangelize all those heathen hordes that had overrun the Roman Empire, and they would bring this law, and it sort of receded. 0.65

00:06:57.000 So in England, it was the Anglos and Saxons were tribes that had come in and they converted to Christianity.

00:07:06.000 And so it was Alfred the Great around the year 800 that he took this code of Patrick, codified it.

00:07:12.000 But later, William the Conqueror conquered England and brought in this top-down law.

00:07:17.000 So that's the struggle that we always see in England, common law versus the top-down law.

00:07:21.000 But why America?

00:07:22.000 Why was it all of a sudden we were able to bring the ideals of self-government into practice?

00:07:30.000 Because there was a struggle, obviously, against King George and our origins.

00:07:35.000 If we stand atop history, and I agree with you, as respecting the individual, what caused that to manifest?

00:07:45.000 Interesting goes back to the Reformation that goes back to the early church and the idea of a church government that's congregational in the model versus the hierarchical model.

00:07:58.000 The hierarchical model in England, the king was at the top.

00:08:01.000 And your relationship with God is through this structure of Archbishop of Canterbury and so forth.

00:08:07.000 But in the Protestant Puritan model, there's a group.

00:08:11.000 It's an ecclesia, a body.

00:08:14.000 And the pastor's job is to get everybody to have their relationship with the Lord and then coach them to become mature Christians and find their place in the body and plug in and this thing grows.

00:08:22.000 And that was the situation in New England, not in Virginia, but in New England.

00:08:27.000 And so they basically took...

00:08:30.000 Why not Virginia?

00:08:31.000 Virginia was a royal crown colony.

00:08:34.000 So almost from... Anglican then in nature? 0.52

00:08:36.000 Correct.

00:08:37.000 And Maryland would be Catholic, the only of the... 0.97

00:08:40.000 Right. 0.87

00:08:41.000 Maryland was founded by Catholics.

00:08:43.000 Charles Carroll or whatever.

00:08:44.000 Craig was the only Catholic who signed the Declaration.

00:08:47.000 He's from Maryland.

00:08:48.000 But New England was Protestant in nature, right?

00:08:51.000 Roger Williams.

00:08:52.000 Roger Williams, Rhode Island, Thomas Hooker in Connecticut.

00:08:56.000 You had...

00:08:56.000 Can you take it all the way back to when they were blown off course?

00:09:00.000 Yeah, this is interesting.

00:09:01.000 The Mayflower, right?

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:02.000 So the king in England passed the Conventicle Act, which is if you have five people meeting in a small group, they call them a conventicle.

00:09:12.000 It comes from the word covenant, where two or three are gathered in my name.

00:09:15.000 But if you're meeting without the government approval, the police will bust in and arrest everyone.

00:09:21.000 And then they passed the Five Mile Act.

00:09:24.000 If you were caught preaching within five miles of a town without approval of the government, they'd arrest you.

00:09:29.000 And then they passed the Act of Uniformity of Common Prayer Act.

00:09:34.000 You could not make up your own prayers because you couldn't make up one that's wrong.

00:09:37.000 So they wrote all the possible prayers down in a book and printed it.

00:09:39.000 It's called the Book of Common Prayer.

00:09:41.000 And so John Bunyan was arrested for having a group praying without approval of the government.

00:09:46.000 And he spent 12 years in prison.

00:09:47.000 That's when he wrote Pilgrim's Progress.

00:09:49.000 That was the setting.

00:09:50.000 If you disobeyed the government, they'd drag you before the star chamber. 0.96

00:09:54.000 It was a room with stars on the ceiling, and they'd twist your arm and brand you on the face as a heretic and cut off your ear. 0.96

00:09:59.000 And this is why the pilgrims fled to Holland. 0.98

00:10:02.000 They were there 12 years until Spain threatened to attack, and then they decided to come to America. 0.72

00:10:06.000 They were going to go to Jamestown and submit to this king-run colony.

00:10:09.000 They got blown off course, landed in Massachusetts.

00:10:11.000 There's no king-appointed person in their boat, and that's when they write the Mayflower Compact.

00:10:16.000 A church writing a forming government.

00:10:20.000 Forms of government.

00:10:20.000 Right?

00:10:20.000 You got these.

00:10:21.000 It was like one page, if I'm not mistaken.

00:10:23.000 Yeah.

00:10:24.000 But it was the church members forming a civil body politic.

00:10:27.000 And it was how many families?

00:10:28.000 80 families, 90 families, right?

00:10:30.000 There was like 101 all total.

00:10:32.000 There were some non-believers amongst the group, but it was predominantly the pilgrims.

00:10:39.000 Why are they called pilgrims?

00:10:43.000 They didn't actually call themselves pilgrims.

00:10:45.000 They call themselves separatists because they would meet separate from the Anglican church.

00:10:51.000 How did they get that term?

00:10:53.000 It was applied to them later, but it goes back to the big thing was pilgrimages to the Holy Land.

00:11:03.000 And so they would have lots of stories about going on pilgrimage.

00:11:07.000 Then, of course, Pilgrim's Progress.

00:11:10.000 But John Bunyan, the idea of somebody that's on a trip to the celestial city. 0.68

00:11:15.000 So we have these incredibly adventurous Christians that are bouncing around and they end up blown off course.

00:11:23.000 And so they tried some form of self-government.

00:11:28.000 Didn't they try socialism at one point?

00:11:30.000 Yeah.

00:11:31.000 So they didn't have money.

00:11:33.000 And so they went to investors in England who put up the money but formed a company.

00:11:38.000 Companies were a brand new thing.

00:11:40.000 In the Middle Ages, there were no companies.

00:11:41.000 It was a sin of usury to pay or receive interest.

00:11:44.000 And so you'd have to hit up a rich guy like a king to finance your voyage.

00:11:48.000 But by the early 1600s, they invented companies and investors, and they wrote bylaws.

00:11:54.000 And the bylaws said everything would be owned in common for the pilgrims for seven years.

00:12:00.000 Everything gained by cooking, hunting, fishing, trading shall go into ye common stock, and everyone's livelihood shall come out of ye common stock.

00:12:07.000 They tried it.

00:12:08.000 They almost died.

00:12:09.000 William Bradford said the young man objected to doing twice as much work as the old guy, but got paid the same.

00:12:14.000 The old guy.

00:12:14.000 This is in reflections on a Plymouth plantation.

00:12:16.000 Is that right?

00:12:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:18.000 The old guy considered it a dishonor to be ranked in labor with the young guy.

00:12:22.000 And the women objected to having to wash other men's clothes. 1.00

00:12:28.000 He's making the argument for private property. 0.76

00:12:30.000 Yeah.

00:12:30.000 And so he says that this communistic plan, he called it that, was tried by good and honest men.

00:12:36.000 He used the word communistic plan.

00:12:37.000 Communistic plan.

00:12:39.000 150 years before Marx.

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 Wow.

00:12:42.000 And so he said there had to be a fitter plan.

00:12:45.000 And so every family was assigned a parcel of land.

00:12:47.000 This made all hands more industrious.

00:12:49.000 The women now went willingly into the field, took their little ones with them to plant corn, while before they would allege weakness and to have forced them would have been considered great oppression. 0.99

00:12:57.000 That's a breakthrough.

00:12:58.000 Just for everyone listening on podcasting, you're doing this from memory.

00:13:00.000 Yep.

00:13:02.000 It's just repetition that I'm complimenting you, Bill.

00:13:05.000 You could say thank you.

00:13:06.000 Thank you.

00:13:06.000 He's so humble.

00:13:07.000 It's just he can't accept it.

00:13:09.000 So then we, we being the Americans, we kind of go into the private property direction, right?

00:13:15.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 So England tried a 15-year American experiment called the English Commonwealth.

00:13:20.000 So King Charles I got defeated in 1640 or so and got his head chopped off.

00:13:27.000 In the Glorious Revolution?

00:13:28.000 Yeah, this is prior to that, but that is a key revolution in 1688.

00:13:34.000 But this was like, you know, 1649 to 1660.

00:13:39.000 It's called the English Commonwealth.

00:13:41.000 It was an American experiment of a Commonwealth, a covenant.

00:13:45.000 They had no king.

00:13:46.000 Oliver Cromwell refused to take the title of the king.

00:13:49.000 He called himself Lord Protector.

00:13:51.000 He did an okay job.

00:13:53.000 He dies.

00:13:53.000 His son Richard can't keep it together.

00:13:56.000 And so William Penn's dad sails.

00:13:59.000 Oh, he's an admiral, sails over to Europe, puts Charles II on the throne, brings him back and reinstitutes the monarchy.

00:14:06.000 And in exchange, he gets an estate in Ireland.

00:14:08.000 And then he's a famous admiral.

00:14:11.000 And then, of course, his son founds Pennsylvania.

00:14:14.000 But so they had an American experiment for 15 years, but they brought the king back.

00:14:18.000 America, because of a 3,000-mile ocean, because Europe was the chessboard and America was sort of an afterthought.

00:14:25.000 I mean, we lost money.

00:14:26.000 It wasn't like Spanish gold anywhere. 0.98

00:14:29.000 It was a loser. 0.77

00:14:30.000 And because of that, the king said, look, just don't cost me any money and stay out of my hair. 0.85

00:14:36.000 And so for almost a century and a half, the Americans got to practice self-government, like training wheels.

00:14:43.000 And that's the dilemma.

00:14:44.000 We go into these countries, we get rid of Saddam Hussein, we give them a constitution identical to ours almost. 0.91

00:14:50.000 And in one election cycle, they vote in Sharia law. 0.74

00:14:52.000 And we scratch our heads thinking, gee, why didn't our former government work? 0.91

00:14:55.000 It's like, duh, they have an Islamic soil that you planted the seed in, where in America, you had a predominantly Judeo-Christian soil. 0.92

00:15:04.000 The Berlin Wall comes down. 0.64

00:15:05.000 We help them set up governments almost identical to ours.

00:15:08.000 It gets taken over by the black market, the mafia, the organized crime. 0.53

00:15:11.000 We scratch our heads thinking, why didn't it turn out like America? 0.88

00:15:14.000 Well, you planted the seed in an atheistic soil.

00:15:16.000 They had 70 years of atheism, right?

00:15:19.000 And so it worked in America.

00:15:21.000 You have seed and soil. 0.91

00:15:22.000 Our form of government's like a finely genetically engineered seed, but you plant seeds in soil, and the soil is a predominantly Judeo-Christian populace. 0.99

00:15:30.000 Right. 0.94

00:15:31.000 So that's why it worked in America.

00:15:33.000 So 1700s roll around, and all of a sudden Britain gets involved in the French Indian War, you know, by financing, by proxy.

00:15:43.000 Tell us about that.

00:15:44.000 Charlie, can I jump in on the with the Geneva Bible?

00:15:48.000 When you were talking about this soil, and you talk about the seed of self-governance, the Geneva Bible was unique, and that's what the pilgrims brought because in the commentary in the margin was commentary on civil government.

00:16:02.000 So this was something that was not just, this was preached in the pulpits.

00:16:08.000 So they were prepared for this.

00:16:09.000 So it was not only a spiritual connection, but they were also seeking self-governance.

00:16:14.000 So it really was fertile ground.

00:16:16.000 And it prepares the way for what Charlie just said for that question of the 1700s.

00:16:22.000 You'd have the first and second great awakenings and all these things that took place.

00:16:25.000 Does that tie in with where Charlie's going?

00:16:28.000 Oh, yeah, definitely.

00:16:29.000 That the Geneva Bible, which was used by Shakespeare and Queen Elizabeth, had all these margin notes that talked about the people having control.

00:16:41.000 Basically, it emphasized the pre-King Saul period of ancient Israel, pre-King Saul.

00:16:47.000 This is when they come out of Egypt for 400 years, no king.

00:16:50.000 King James comes along, and he wants to have his King James Bible with no margin notes.

00:16:56.000 And he emphasizes the King Saul and on period of Israel history where there's the anointed king.

00:17:02.000 Divine right again. 0.82

00:17:03.000 They're both talking about the Bible, but one is pre-King Saul, the other is post-King Saul.

00:17:08.000 Now, King James wanted his Bible to be so good that nobody would ever want to do another translation.

00:17:14.000 And so he did have it bounce from one team of Puritans to Anglicans to Presbyterians, and they all had a say in it.

00:17:21.000 And so it is an excellent translation, but it doesn't have the margin notes.

00:17:26.000 And in his instructions to the translators, he said he did not want any novel terms like ecclesia being translated congregation.

00:17:33.000 That's why Tyndale got killed.

00:17:35.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 Yep.

00:17:36.000 So we roar into the 1700s, and all of a sudden Britain is in a little bit of trouble, and they start to have to tax the colonies.

00:17:46.000 Expand more on this seed and soil argument that led us to the culmination of the 1770s.

00:17:53.000 It's interesting.

00:17:54.000 So the British, the king of England went on to become the most powerful king on planet Earth.

00:17:58.000 He was a globalist.

00:17:59.000 He was a one-world government guy.

00:18:00.000 And so in the middle 1700s, they controlled Bengal and Bengal, India.

00:18:07.000 Bengal, India.

00:18:08.000 And they basically took over and said, okay, all this, you know, subsistence farming and stuff you've been doing, we're going to switch it up.

00:18:15.000 We know how to do this.

00:18:17.000 And they changed their economy so much that there was a drought and it turned into a famine and 10 million people died in Bengal in the middle to late 1700s.

00:18:28.000 And so the British East India Company is going bankrupt.

00:18:31.000 And so they go to the king and say, hey, we want to tax Britain.

00:18:35.000 And the people in Britain said, no way.

00:18:37.000 And so the king says, okay, well, you can tax the colonies.

00:18:40.000 And it started to escalate.

00:18:44.000 And the king wanted to take away our ability to print our own money, take away our ability to appoint judges.

00:18:50.000 So all the judges were appointed by the king.

00:18:54.000 But he didn't realize that, by the way, King George III went insane.

00:19:00.000 He had prophyria, a blue blood disease.

00:19:02.000 You know, you intermarry, preserve the royal bloodline.

00:19:07.000 Uncle Daddy.

00:19:10.000 But anyway, so the king of England was a globalist, and America's founders decided they didn't like this globalist king telling us what to do.

00:19:17.000 So they broke away and flipped it and made the people the king.

00:19:20.000 So the word citizen is Greek.

00:19:23.000 It means co-king, co-ruler, co-sovereign.

00:19:27.000 So kings have subjects who are subjected to their will.

00:19:30.000 Republics and democracies have citizens.

00:19:33.000 And so, if you're a citizen of America, you are a co-ruler.

00:19:37.000 You're a co-king.

00:19:39.000 So, we pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic. 0.87

00:19:41.000 We're basically pledging allegiance to us being in charge of ourselves.

00:19:44.000 And so, when somebody protests the flag, what they're saying is, I don't want to be the king anymore.

00:19:47.000 I protest this system where I participate in ruling myself.

00:19:50.000 It's like, okay, somebody else will be glad to tell you what to do.

00:19:55.000 So, fast forward kind of to where we are today.

00:19:58.000 We don't have to go through all the 1800s or 1900s, but we're in trouble as a country.

00:20:04.000 What does history tell us about where we are right now? 0.61

00:20:08.000 Very similar to ancient Israel toward its end. 0.70

00:20:13.000 Which end?

00:20:15.000 Which temple destruction? 0.94

00:20:18.000 So, there's a wicked king Manasseh, and he's sacrificing kids to Moloch. 0.77

00:20:23.000 And God is a just God, he can't help it. 0.60

00:20:25.000 He's just by his nature, and he can't do it.

00:20:28.000 And there's nothing more unjust than killing an innocent baby that's not done anything wrong. 0.55

00:20:32.000 And so, the prophets come to Manasseh and said, You're doing the same thing that the people that were here before Israel came in did. 0.93

00:20:38.000 And because they did it, I brought in the Israelites to drive them out. 0.93

00:20:41.000 And because you're doing it, I'm going to drive you out. 1.00

00:20:43.000 So, judgment was pronounced, and Manasseh dies, and his grandson is eight years old, Josiah.

00:20:51.000 And he's 16 years old.

00:20:52.000 He starts to seek the Lord.

00:20:54.000 And he's in his early 20s.

00:20:55.000 He tells him to clean out the temple that his granddad had trashed.

00:20:59.000 And the priests come out with the scroll of God, the law of God. 0.70

00:21:04.000 The Jewish commentators say it was the last copy of the law on planet Earth because Manasseh not just was killing babies, he was destroying the Bibles.

00:21:13.000 And so they read the law to this young king in his early 20s, and he rips his garments and repents.

00:21:21.000 And he sends to a prophetess in town named Holda, the wife of the king's tailor, and says, What's going to happen?

00:21:27.000 And she says, Tell the man that sent you that judgment is going to come, but not during his lifetime, because he repented when he heard the words of the Lord.

00:21:34.000 And so, for the rest of the 31-year reign of Josiah, there's this revival that takes place.

00:21:38.000 And the Levites are teaching the law.

00:21:40.000 They have this huge Passover. 1.00

00:21:41.000 And so, I'm praying for a Josiah generation, right? 0.93

00:21:45.000 So, we've been killing innocent babies.

00:21:47.000 A just God can justly judge us.

00:21:50.000 But, with people like yourself and Turning Point USA, there's a lot of young people that are rending their hearts and they're saying, God, use us to turn things around.

00:21:59.000 And I believe that God can put it off and give us a revival.

00:22:03.000 Jeremiah 18 says, If I intend evil for a nation and they repent, I'll relent from the evil I intended.

00:22:10.000 He also says, If I intend good for a nation and they do evil, I'll relent from the good I intended.

00:22:14.000 So, the choice is in the hands of God's people, of my people who are called by my name.

00:22:20.000 As a nation, it's the pulpits in America that need an awakening to the fact that we've been given the freest form of government in a constitutional republic, similar to the Israelites in the wilderness when they had the decalogue.

00:22:31.000 And then Jethro appoints, you know, tells Moses, you have thousands, hundreds, fifties, tens, federal, state, county, local.

00:22:39.000 So, you have representative government, you have a constitution, which is, you know, the decalogue for them.

00:22:45.000 And as a nation, we just have to return to the lawgiver and acknowledge that we have not been honoring the laws of nature and nature's God. 0.96

00:22:53.000 And like you, Bill, I believe it will be a Josiah generation. 0.79

00:22:56.000 I love that insight.

00:22:58.000 That's awesome.

00:22:59.000 Is it fair to say, Bill, because let me interrupt myself?

00:23:03.000 There's a lot of people that email us that believe they're experts of history and they know the cycle of civilizations, and they say we're right on that cycle.

00:23:13.000 But is it fair to say, since there's never been a nation like America, as you say, stands atop history, that how this ends is actually unpredictable, that we don't know because of individual liberty.

00:23:28.000 Is that fair to say?

00:23:29.000 Yes, yes.

00:23:30.000 The other main ones are Greece and Rome.

00:23:34.000 So Athens had a Athenian democracy.

00:23:38.000 And then there was Philip of Macedon, and he conquered some of the people.

00:23:41.000 Philip II, right? 0.76

00:23:42.000 Correct.

00:23:43.000 Alexander the Great's father.

00:23:45.000 Correct.

00:23:46.000 He almost got me on that.

00:23:49.000 And he conquered some gold mines at Amphipolis.

00:23:52.000 And he takes the gold and he bribes some citizens of Athens to betray their own city.

00:23:58.000 And they would gather together in their marketplace.

00:24:01.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 They would gather together in their marketplace and talk politics and they'd say, well, we've got to defend against this, that.

00:24:07.000 And these paid traders would stand up and say, wait a second.

00:24:11.000 I hear, let's not get carried away.

00:24:12.000 I hear Philip's not such a bad guy.

00:24:14.000 He's not conquering these cities.

00:24:15.000 He's liberating them. 1.00

00:24:17.000 And these paid traders would gather around themselves what Lenin called useful idiots, people that actually believed the lies. 0.99

00:24:25.000 And they would so confuse the city that they couldn't mount a defense. 1.00

00:24:30.000 Philip marches up to the walls.

00:24:32.000 They throw the gates open.

00:24:33.000 He takes over.

00:24:33.000 And the people of Athens did not get a chance to rule themselves again for over 2,000 years.

00:24:41.000 I mean, once they fell, you had Alexander the Great.

00:24:44.000 They didn't rule themselves.

00:24:45.000 You got the different kings and the Romans and then, you know, then the Ottoman Empire.

00:24:50.000 They did get a brief freedom after World War I, but then now they're in debt and they don't rule themselves.

00:24:56.000 And then the Roman Republic, there was about the 5th century, 6th century BC, you had... Romulus.

00:25:06.000 The Roman Empire started.

00:25:08.000 Romulus and Remus.

00:25:11.000 But it was originally a king named Tarquin who ruled Rome.

00:25:15.000 And he had a son who raped a virtuous woman named Lucretia. 0.96

00:25:21.000 The rape of Lucretia. 0.95

00:25:22.000 You know, Michelangelo, Leo da Vinci, they all did the artwork.

00:25:26.000 And so this Lucretia was so upset that her virtue was tarnished that she got the Roman leaders together and committed suicide right in front of them. 0.93

00:25:36.000 They get so upset, they kill King Tarquin, and they pass a law that if anybody declares themselves a king, anybody can kill them without any repercussions.

00:25:44.000 And so for 500 years, nobody in Rome wanted to come anywhere close to being called a king.

00:25:48.000 And so they set up a republic.

00:25:50.000 Matter of fact, Publius was one of the founders.

00:25:54.000 That's Publius, right?

00:25:58.000 He was building a mansion.

00:25:59.000 And the rumor went around that Publius was thinking of making himself king.

00:26:03.000 When he heard the rumor, he destroyed his own mansion.

00:26:06.000 I mean, nobody wanted to come in.

00:26:08.000 So for 500 years, Rome was a republic. 0.84

00:26:09.000 Until Julius Caesar.

00:26:10.000 And until Julius Caesar, right.

00:26:13.000 He makes himself dictator for life.

00:26:14.000 Crossed the Rubicon.

00:26:16.000 And so you examine these other democracies and republics.

00:26:21.000 What would happen is they would get, in Rome's case, top heavy.

00:26:26.000 They had such a bureaucratic structure to them and people making their living off of this that they were able to usurp the power and revert to a dictatorship.

00:26:36.000 Let me ask you, did Rome had inflation?

00:26:38.000 Yes.

00:26:39.000 Deep state?

00:26:40.000 Oh, definitely.

00:26:41.000 Bureaucracy?

00:26:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:43.000 Dumb, endless wars? 1.00

00:26:45.000 Lots of debt? 1.00

00:26:47.000 Sexual perversion? 0.80

00:26:49.000 You say yes for the podcast.

00:26:50.000 Yes, yes.

00:26:52.000 Because I don't know any country that has those things.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, they had a Department of Royal Pleasures, and that was Nero and some of these other corruptions.

00:27:00.000 That sounds like Netflix.

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 They would go around and collect the young people and bring them to the president.

00:27:06.000 I mean, the little children.

00:27:09.000 And he would abuse them.

00:27:10.000 Could you imagine such a thing?

00:27:12.000 No, but I'm going through the list intentionally.

00:27:14.000 Inflation.

00:27:15.000 How about borders?

00:27:16.000 Did they have good borders in Rome?

00:27:18.000 They opened the borders, and you had the Visigoths come across, and the rivers froze, so they came across, and nobody chased them out. 0.92

00:27:26.000 And so they stayed, then they stayed, and then some more came across and more career crossed. 0.93

00:27:29.000 How about lack of language?

00:27:31.000 Everyone speaking different languages.

00:27:32.000 The language originally was Latin, and then all these different groups that would come in kept their own language, and it broke up the unity of the Roman Empire.

00:27:42.000 How about government assistance, paying people not to work?

00:27:46.000 Yeah, the bread in the circus, the dole of bread.

00:27:49.000 And so the leaders would distract the people with violent entertainment, but then would give him free bread.

00:27:56.000 And as long as they gave him free bread, the people wouldn't complain about the borders being overrun.

00:28:02.000 And so it was a welfare state.

00:28:05.000 We don't give free bread at national parks for the bears.

00:28:07.000 Of course not.

00:28:07.000 How about corruption in government?

00:28:09.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:28:10.000 It was called, even Jesus talked about that.

00:28:13.000 He says the lords among you call themselves benefactors.

00:28:16.000 And everybody would have to kiss up to somebody who would have to kiss up to somebody who would have to kiss up to the emperor.

00:28:22.000 And Julius Caesar, one of the historians, said that after he took over, that he was the richest person in Rome and that he owned the state.

00:28:36.000 And so it was all corrupt.

00:28:38.000 It was all buttering up to people above you, and everyone was living in debt.

00:28:43.000 They did inflate their currency.

00:28:45.000 So they had silver coins, but they would mix in lead until pretty soon it had no intrinsic value left.

00:28:51.000 It doesn't take a ton of analysis to say, wait a second, aren't we living through these sorts of things?

00:28:56.000 So does it help us through that?

00:28:58.000 I went through the whole list, corruption and governments, deep state bureaucracy, endless wars.

00:29:03.000 Was Rome involved in foreign wars?

00:29:06.000 Yeah, this was one of the tactics actually goes back to Pericles in Athens.

00:29:12.000 And he was one of those leaders of a democracy.

00:29:16.000 He was a citizen, but he was getting too powerful.

00:29:20.000 And if you got too powerful and were thinking of making yourself a king in Athens, 6,000 citizens could vote to ostracize you.

00:29:28.000 And they'd take little broken pieces of pottery and they'd put your name on it and they'd count them all up.

00:29:33.000 And if 6,000 people, you were kicked out of town for 10 years, ended your political career.

00:29:37.000 And so Pericles, the talk was of ostracizing him.

00:29:41.000 He intentionally lets relationship with Sparta deteriorate until it breaks out into a war.

00:29:48.000 Once war breaks out, everyone wanted a strong leader.

00:29:52.000 So instead of them criticizing, you're getting too powerful, now since war broke out, everybody wants a strong leader.

00:29:57.000 So why is it there was the conspiracy against Caesar, beautifully articulated by Shakespeare?

00:30:04.000 Why is it that you knock off Caesar and all of a sudden they say, actually, let's go for his nephew, right?

00:30:10.000 Augustus, and then Tiberius.

00:30:12.000 Why didn't they want to go back to the Republican model of government?

00:30:16.000 Well, the Ides of March is when the Republic senators killed Julius Caesar.

00:30:23.000 They had a position called the dictator.

00:30:24.000 It was a one-year position where if Rome was attacked, they realized somebody would have to call the shots in a hurry.

00:30:32.000 But Julius Caesar decided he wanted to make himself dictator for life.

00:30:39.000 And so the senators surrounded him, stabbed him on the Ides of March, March 15th.

00:30:44.000 And then they had a funeral for him.

00:30:46.000 And the people liked Caesar because he would conquer in Gaul and Europe and bring back lots of booty and lots of slaves, lots of Slav, Slavic people. 0.95

00:30:57.000 They'd bring them away with permanent servants. 0.99

00:30:59.000 And so the people liked Caesar because he was giving them free stuff.

00:31:02.000 Anyway, they get his general, Mark Anthony, to speak at the funeral.

00:31:07.000 And instead of him smoothing things over, he stirs them up to a riot.

00:31:13.000 This is sort of like a Jesse Jackson Al Sharpen.

00:31:16.000 I mean, he's like stirring them up, thinking, holding, you know, the Shakespeare's play, holding up the tunic and saying, and this stab hole was done by, you know, Brutus and all these different ones.

00:31:26.000 And the people get stirred up into this massive crowd and they begin to go to these senators' houses and trash them.

00:31:31.000 Could you imagine like mobs going to like, you know, Supreme Court justice houses and stuff like that?

00:31:36.000 I never imagined.

00:31:39.000 And it got so chaotic that they said, look, the only way we can settle this is to get a relative of Julius Caesar's.

00:31:47.000 And it was Octavius who became Augustus Caesar.

00:31:52.000 But he just flat out became himself dictator.

00:31:55.000 He was a nephew of Caesar.

00:31:56.000 He was nephew.

00:31:58.000 So, but I'm getting at something here, which is what is it about how we're made, our natural, original programming where we want to be ruled?

00:32:11.000 What does history tell us about that?

00:32:13.000 And Rob brings this out, but St. Augustine called it libido dominandi, the lust to dominate.

00:32:20.000 And it's part of fallen human nature.

00:32:22.000 So Cain kills Abel, and you have one king taking a kingdom from another king.

00:32:25.000 And so you put some kids on a playground, one's the bully. 0.93

00:32:28.000 You put some junior high girls in a click, one's the diva. 1.00

00:32:31.000 But what's the yearn to be dominated?

00:32:36.000 I would say two things: fear and free stuff.

00:32:41.000 Okay.

00:32:42.000 So when people are afraid, they'll trade freedom for security.

00:32:48.000 And so originally, you know, the first invention was the plow.

00:32:52.000 Cain was a tiller of the soil.

00:32:54.000 Then people started hitting each other with them.

00:32:55.000 They turned into weapons.

00:32:56.000 And then people would gravitate together for protection.

00:32:59.000 And you get people together.

00:33:00.000 Somebody's a little bit better at knowing how to fight than the rest.

00:33:03.000 And everyone says, you be our captain.

00:33:05.000 And you fight, you win.

00:33:06.000 That's a good thing.

00:33:07.000 But then this captain has kids and grandkids who claim to be a special family that everybody wants to kiss up to.

00:33:11.000 And then they're a political family.

00:33:13.000 Then they're a political machine and a political mob.

00:33:15.000 And before you know it, you got yourself a king.

00:33:17.000 And the king claims to own everything in town.

00:33:19.000 And he gives out favors to everybody that kisses up to him.

00:33:23.000 And so they're getting their free stuff. 0.97

00:33:26.000 And if anybody doesn't do what he wants, he threatens to kill them.

00:33:29.000 And so it's a positive and negative motivation.

00:33:32.000 That's the way human nature is.

00:33:34.000 They call it the bribe or the bullet, silver or lead.

00:33:36.000 You know, in Chicago, the gangs would either bribe you, buy you off, or, you know, you'd be added to the Clinton body count list.

00:33:44.000 But it's this idea of human motivation is a positive and negative.

00:33:50.000 And if you want to take power away from the people, if you can get them into fear, they will trade freedom for security.

00:33:59.000 Or if you can get them to receive free stuff from you long enough till they become dependent.

00:34:05.000 And then you can say, okay, to continue this free stuff, you have to incrementally give up your freedom to me.

00:34:12.000 So as we look at history and we look at what it could possibly teach us, tell us who Machiavelli was and why he's important to understand to process the modern American left.

00:34:25.000 These are great questions.

00:34:26.000 I've read everything he's written.

00:34:29.000 It's awesome.

00:34:30.000 So Machiavelli lived 500 years ago in Italy.

00:34:33.000 Italy was a bunch of city-states, Venice, Genoa, Naples, Florence, Siena, and they all had armies and fought.

00:34:39.000 And Machiavelli thought if one prince could control all of Italy, it would stop the infighting.

00:34:44.000 So he writes a book called The Prince, where he advocates the ends justifies the means.

00:34:49.000 The end of one prince controlling all of Italy is such a good end because it'll stop the infighting that any means necessary to get there is justified.

00:34:57.000 Light cheat steel.

00:34:58.000 So if a prince conquers a city, the people in the city would hate him.

00:35:01.000 But if the prince pays criminals to kill cows, burn barns, smash windows, sort of do anti-BLM type stuff, the people will cry out for help. 0.94

00:35:11.000 And the prince will come in and get rid of the very criminals he bribed to create the mess. 0.70

00:35:15.000 Nobody will know the better for it, and everyone will praise the prince as a hero.

00:35:18.000 So it's good marketing.

00:35:19.000 You create the need and fill it.

00:35:21.000 You go around the back of the house, set it on fire.

00:35:23.000 Then you go on the front of the house, sell them a fire extinguisher.

00:35:26.000 They'll pay anything for it, and even thank you for being there.

00:35:28.000 So it's called Machiavellianism, where you create or capitalize on a crisis to consolidate control.

00:35:36.000 Or as more recently you've heard it, never let a good crisis go to waste.

00:35:39.000 You know, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton.

00:35:42.000 And so this is the idea that if you can get them into a crisis and the people will panic, give up their freedom, and then you can be the hero in restoring order.

00:35:54.000 But part of restoring order is you taking control.

00:35:57.000 So it's very important for our audience to understand who Machiavelli was.

00:36:01.000 We're in a game, a global game right now.

00:36:05.000 Tell us about globalists that came before.

00:36:07.000 You mentioned King George being one of them.

00:36:09.000 That's number one.

00:36:10.000 Tell us about kind of what drives a globalist, what globalists have existed before.

00:36:15.000 And then secondly, how do you defeat a globalist?

00:36:19.000 Because no one's ever done it successfully before.

00:36:24.000 First of all, there's always hope, and there's always, if the devil were all powerful, we'd have all been dead a long time ago.

00:36:31.000 He's not.

00:36:32.000 I do have to take exception.

00:36:33.000 A globalist has been defeated.

00:36:35.000 It's called the Tower of Babel.

00:36:36.000 No, I said all of them have been defeated. 1.00

00:36:38.000 Oh, all of them.

00:36:38.000 I said she's never been successful.

00:36:40.000 A globalist has never been successful.

00:36:41.000 Okay, I didn't get it.

00:36:42.000 That's okay.

00:36:42.000 Tower of Babels, that's my favorite one.

00:36:44.000 That's right, Genesis 11.

00:36:46.000 One of the things I like to do is watch physics type videos.

00:36:53.000 And one of them was on the Fibonacci sequence, the golden ratio 5 PHI.

00:36:58.000 And it's a rate of geometric expansion that you observe in seashells.

00:37:01.000 Little circle, little bigger circle, little bigger, bigger circle.

00:37:04.000 You observe it in tornadoes and in hurricanes.

00:37:07.000 And it's applied to other areas.

00:37:09.000 Like when Bitcoin first came out, they said, oh, it's going to expand at a certain rate and investments.

00:37:14.000 Well, I thought I'd apply it to empires in world history.

00:37:19.000 And you begin to see the same canekill and able, Libido Dominandi, the lust to dominate.

00:37:24.000 You got Nimrod Tower of Babel.

00:37:27.000 And then you have 2,000 years of Egyptian pharaohs and 5,000 years of Chinese emperors and Indian Maharajas and Genghis Khan Julius Caesar told the Hun. 0.91

00:37:37.000 And if any one of them hadn't died, any one of them would have been happy to conquer the world. 0.61

00:37:43.000 And so in that sense, death is a blessing and the devil has to start from scratch again.

00:37:48.000 But anybody that has any predictable skills can see that at some point it's going to max out on a global level.

00:37:57.000 And Jesus says the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest.

00:38:02.000 And so it's the same human nature, the selfish, fallen human nature versus the godly, you know, loving human nature.

00:38:10.000 And the stakes get higher and bigger, and it's going to max out on a global level.

00:38:15.000 This is just our turn.

00:38:18.000 But with the 5G and the satellites and all the great reset, which you've written on so tremendously, we can see it taking a global level that it's never done before.

00:38:30.000 But I still think that the good Lord can press the pause button if we repent.

00:38:35.000 Just so people understand, expand more on what the Fibonacci sequence is and how that would play into this idea of the laws of nature and nature's God.

00:38:43.000 Almost give a gravitational pull on wannabe autocrats. 1.00

00:38:48.000 Well, it's a rate of geometric expansion.

00:38:50.000 So a number plus the previous number equals the next number.

00:38:53.000 You take that number plus the previous number equals the next number.

00:38:56.000 That number plus the previous number equals the next number.

00:38:58.000 And so this gradual rate of expansion that you observe, and if you were to plot it out, it would be doing that seashell that comes around with a little bigger each time.

00:39:07.000 And so when you look at these kingdoms of world history, you know, the Akkadian Empire, you know, 2250 BC, it was the biggest empire.

00:39:17.000 And then it gets conquered and then comes along, you know, the Babylonian Empire.

00:39:21.000 And then it's conquered by Osiris of Persia.

00:39:24.000 And then Persia's the biggest until it's conquered by Alexander the Great.

00:39:28.000 And each one, it's with a new military invention that one country gets before the rest. 0.76

00:39:38.000 And they have a limited period of time where they can use that new military invention to conquer others before the other ones catch up.

00:39:48.000 And then it pauses the expansion for another generation.

00:39:54.000 And so you have, you know, Cain killed Abel with a rock, but then the next was a bronze weapon.

00:39:59.000 And then the Greeks had that, and then an iron weapon, and the Romans had that. 0.82

00:40:03.000 And, you know, a phalanx spear, a scimitar sword, the composite bow, right, that the Mongols had. 0.69

00:40:08.000 You know, it was like, could shoot as far as an English longbow, but it was a third as size, so you could use it on horseback. 0.92

00:40:14.000 And then stirrups was the invention that the Muslims got before the rest of Europe and a curved scimitar sword. 0.95

00:40:19.000 And anyway, as the new military advanced in that fallen selfish human nature would break the dikes, the dam, so to speak, and it would flood and conquer a larger area. 0.98

00:40:30.000 And then the other ones would learn how to make those weapons and then it would pause that expansion.

00:40:36.000 But now it's all done technologically, and it's a battle for the mind.

00:40:42.000 And there's interesting 19th century military theorist named Kalvitz, and he gave the classic definition of war.

00:40:50.000 The purpose of war is to force your enemy to submit to your will. 0.81

00:40:56.000 Okay, so you're killing their bodies. 0.96

00:40:57.000 Why? 1.00

00:40:58.000 Well, because their mind is loyal to the other side.

00:41:01.000 Well, what if you could just mess with their mind?

00:41:03.000 Demoralize them, get them into fear, get them to paralyze, confuse them. 0.53

00:41:07.000 You can force your enemy to submit to your will without having to kill them.

00:41:11.000 Well, here's the next step.

00:41:13.000 It's called fifth generation warfare, where you get your enemy to submit to your will without them even being aware they're in a war.

00:41:22.000 And that's what we're experiencing right now.

00:41:23.000 That's fifth generation warfare.

00:41:25.000 Chills right there.

00:41:26.000 That's intense.

00:41:27.000 So if we were conquered, the conqueror would make us give up stuff, like our guns, like our freedom of speech, like our bank accounts.

00:41:37.000 Who thinks doing the conquering?

00:41:42.000 Multiple interests that are working together, but it's with globalists.

00:41:48.000 Some of them have been out in the open, like George Soros and Klaus Schwab with the World Economic Forum and, you know, previous generation, the David Rockefeller name, you know, and then his dad, you know, John D. Rockefeller.

00:42:03.000 And some of them, I naively think that they can set up a nice world.

00:42:11.000 But until you change human nature, it will never happen.

00:42:16.000 So, Bill, let's talk about that.

00:42:18.000 Where did this idea, this phenomenon in recent times come from where they believed human nature was malleable, not permanent or fixed?

00:42:27.000 Where did that idea come from?

00:42:30.000 I mean, probably Rousseau, you know, pre-French Revolution, that the Age of Enlightenment, but ironically, it never comes to pass.

00:42:45.000 In my book on socialism, the subtitle is how the deep state...

00:42:48.000 Right here.

00:42:49.000 Yeah.

00:42:49.000 The real history from Plato to present, how the deep state capitalizes on crises.

00:42:53.000 Crises or crisis?

00:42:54.000 Crises to consolidate control.

00:42:56.000 Right.

00:42:58.000 And so the Plato, he's the first one that talked about everybody owning everything in common.

00:43:03.000 And it sounds nice until you think it through.

00:43:06.000 Somebody has to be in the government handing out the common stuff.

00:43:10.000 And they're always going to be tempted to funnel a little extra to their family and friends on the side and always be tempted to hold back from someone they don't like.

00:43:19.000 And before you know it, it gets discretionary.

00:43:22.000 And the saying is, he who holds the purse strings has the power.

00:43:26.000 And so every attempt at everybody owning everything equally always ends up with a deep state bureaucracy passing out favors to their friends, ruled by the most corrupt guy at the top, a dictator.

00:43:35.000 And then people say, well, wasn't the early church socialists?

00:43:38.000 I point out the early church was the early church.

00:43:40.000 Socialism is counterfeit early church.

00:43:42.000 But it also didn't work in Acts.

00:43:43.000 Didn't they get into fights?

00:43:45.000 I mean, it wasn't scalable at all.

00:43:47.000 It wasn't communism.

00:43:48.000 It was communism.

00:43:49.000 They willingly gave.

00:43:51.000 The government didn't take it from them.

00:43:52.000 They laid it at the apostles' feet.

00:43:54.000 That was a willingness, as opposed to someone saying, you know, what's yours is mine and what's mine.

00:43:59.000 I'd have to reread Acts, but I think it fell apart.

00:44:01.000 I could be mistaken.

00:44:02.000 Well, yeah, it did.

00:44:02.000 And the Apostle Paul had to go raise money from other churches to come to the church.

00:44:06.000 But it wasn't sustainable because you have to create something at some point.

00:44:09.000 But the idea is that the early church, the difference between the early church and socialism is the word voluntary versus involuntary.

00:44:16.000 There it is.

00:44:17.000 So the early church voluntarily sold their property, laid it at the feet of the apostles.

00:44:21.000 Socialism, right, is taking away people's property and laid at the feet of Pilate.

00:44:26.000 So this idea of human nature, whether or not it could be changed or not, it's almost a predominant view now in academia and in the top levels of our society and government.

00:44:37.000 It started with Rousseau.

00:44:38.000 I believe Marx played into it, Engels.

00:44:40.000 Hegel definitely believed in it.

00:44:42.000 And then went into the 20th century and it's now the predominant view in every high level of society.

00:44:49.000 How important is it that we recognize what human nature is?

00:44:53.000 I think that's the most important divide in America today.

00:44:57.000 Yeah, you know, the U.S. Constitution is the longest in existence national constitution.

00:45:04.000 France has gone through dozens of different forms of government in the same period that we've had one.

00:45:09.000 Italy, you know, Mexico, I mean, all of them have gone through dozens of different forms of government in the same period of time that we've had one, with the exception of the Civil War.

00:45:19.000 But this idea is our founders understood one thing very clearly, that man is a fallen creature with a selfish human nature, and therefore Madison, and here Madison said there are no angels on earth.

00:45:36.000 If all men were angels, then government would not be necessary.

00:45:39.000 It's nature versus nurture.

00:45:41.000 The nurture is that we're going to obtain to this level of excellence, but our founders understood nature, the sin nature, that powers have to be separated because power wants to concentrate.

00:45:52.000 But these idealistic folks believe that we're going to obtain perfection, which doesn't exist in the nature of man.

00:46:00.000 But they also think they could perfect the human being itself, don't they, Bill?

00:46:03.000 It's creepy.

00:46:04.000 Yeah.

00:46:05.000 That's even worse than utopianism.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, and alter the DNA.

00:46:10.000 And, you know, if we're made in the image of God, they're trying to mess.

00:46:15.000 If you don't like somebody, you don't like their picture.

00:46:17.000 The devil doesn't like God, and we're in the image of God.

00:46:20.000 He doesn't like humans, so he's going to try to mess this up.

00:46:22.000 But yeah, you can't change.

00:46:25.000 And so even so, so in the book, I go through Plato, and he talked about that democracy is doomed to fail.

00:46:32.000 Philosopher Kings.

00:46:34.000 The best you can hope for is a philosopher king.

00:46:36.000 And how's he going to stay in power?

00:46:38.000 He's going to take possession of the children, going to bring them into the city and teach them lies, noble lies.

00:46:45.000 But the lies will help him stay in power.

00:46:47.000 But it's this, from the very beginning, Plato talks about you want to reprogram these kids, take away their parental input, and you want to reprogram them to serve the state.

00:46:58.000 And every attempt at socialism always targets the kids, wants to brainwash the kids to serve the state.

00:47:07.000 But it never happens because the state is made up of human beings that are selfish.

00:47:13.000 And they're always going to make decisions in their own best self-interest.

00:47:17.000 And so God's answer was you take the Tower of Babel and scatter it.

00:47:20.000 You take the centralized power and just scatter it and let people be as independent as possible.

00:47:28.000 But, you know, one of the things with Plato, and we had talked about this before the program, of how the lack of morals always precedes the collapse of a civilization.

00:47:43.000 And I mentioned an individual.

00:47:46.000 So Plato, democracy means demos, the rule of the many, right?

00:47:51.000 So demos, people, cross-see rule.

00:47:53.000 And so the many, the people rule.

00:47:56.000 And the chief characteristic of a democracy is tolerance.

00:48:00.000 Everybody tolerates each other.

00:48:02.000 Tolerance and apathy are the signs of a dying society, Aristotle.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 It's just so apropos to where we are.

00:48:10.000 It's tragic.

00:48:11.000 I love my Aristotle.

00:48:12.000 Got him right up there.

00:48:13.000 There he is.

00:48:14.000 And so they tolerate each other.

00:48:15.000 That's nice.

00:48:16.000 And then they tolerate people that are a little bit off.

00:48:19.000 Then they tolerate people that are a lot off.

00:48:20.000 So finally, they're tolerating lawlessness.

00:48:22.000 And it turns into chaos.

00:48:24.000 And that's when all the people say, we want somebody to come along and fix it.

00:48:26.000 And that's when you get this philosopher king comes along, promises to fix it, but then stands up in the chariot of state, holding the reins of power, and he's revealed as the tyrant.

00:48:35.000 But this phenomenon of democracy devolving into chaos out of which a dictator arises was studied by J.D. Unwin, spelled U-N-W-I-N.

00:48:48.000 J.D. Unwin, he's an Oxford anthropologist, 1934, writes a book called Sex and Culture.

00:48:53.000 And he studied 80 civilizations over 5,000 years, and he observed trends.

00:48:58.000 And one of the trends was that sexual promiscuity always precedes the collapse of a civilization.

00:49:06.000 He talked about civilizations going through five, four stages.

00:49:09.000 First stage is a period of pain and poverty.

00:49:12.000 So they go through war, they go through famine, and the people work hard to climb out of that mess, and they become productive.

00:49:19.000 And then they work together and they become patriotic.

00:49:22.000 And then finally, they become prosperous.

00:49:26.000 And then they want to enjoy their prosperity and they become promiscuous.

00:49:29.000 Is that where the Teitler cycle comes from, the Scottish historian?

00:49:33.000 Yes, yes.

00:49:34.000 And so this idea, very similar to an athlete, when he's young, he's focused, disciplined, watches his diet.

00:49:40.000 He becomes productive, right?

00:49:42.000 And finally, he gets the championship and he's the champ for a couple seasons.

00:49:48.000 And then he gets a little bit lazy, doesn't exercise as much, eats some fatty foods.

00:49:51.000 He gets challenged into the ring of competition and gets the tar knocked out of him because in reality, he's a couch potato.

00:49:58.000 And so this is what happens.

00:50:00.000 You get these civilizations work hard, work together, become productive, patriotic, prosperous, and then they become promiscuous.

00:50:09.000 J.D. Unwin even called it a sexual marketplace. 0.79

00:50:13.000 He said, when women as a whole say nothing happens unless there's a commitment, the guys say, fine, they make the commitment, and then they go out and be productive for their wife.

00:50:25.000 And then something else happens, little kids appear, and the guy is another emotion becoming protective.

00:50:30.000 And when all the men of the country are productive and protective, rising water floats all boats, the country becomes productive, protective, expansionistic, creative, even militaristic. 0.69

00:50:38.000 But if the women as a whole say there does not need to be a commitment, water seeks its own level, and you'll have a bunch of guys getting pleasure-focused and selfish, and fewer kids are born to fill the ranks of the military. 1.00

00:50:50.000 And when enough of the men of the country do this, they get weakened and then conquered by the next rising civilization. 0.84

00:50:56.000 The Greeks had a fixation on children, especially boys, did they not?

00:51:01.000 Yeah.

00:51:02.000 Talk about how a society starts to forsake their children in that cycle of decline.

00:51:08.000 That's a good question.

00:51:11.000 Yeah, it's selfish.

00:51:13.000 It's instant pleasure.

00:51:15.000 I use the little comparison.

00:51:17.000 Our founding fathers sacrificed their prosperity for their posterity.

00:51:24.000 But today, we have leaders that are sacrificing our posterity for prosperity.

00:51:31.000 They're saddling our kids with an unpayable debt.

00:51:34.000 As long as we can live okay, we're fine.

00:51:36.000 It reminds you of Hezekiah, where he shows all the treasure in the temple.

00:51:40.000 And Isaiah says, What all did you show him?

00:51:42.000 He goes, Everything.

00:51:43.000 He goes, Everything you showed him is going to someday belong to the king of Babylon. 0.89

00:51:46.000 Your grandsons will be eunuchs in the palace.

00:51:48.000 And Hezekiah's answer was, Well, as long as it's not going to happen during my lifetime, you feel like reaching through the Bible and slapping him, you know.

00:51:57.000 And it's like our founder said, No, I care about the future generations, and I want delayed gratification, intergenerational promise.

00:52:05.000 Yeah.

00:52:06.000 And so we've been moving toward this present, and it's manifesting not just killing the unborn, but now we got proposed bills in California of baby 2018. 0.69

00:52:16.000 Yeah, let's just look at the transgender stuff, the drag queen stuff, the chemical castration. 1.00

00:52:21.000 And so I want to ask you about that. 1.00

00:52:23.000 We don't have a ton of time remaining, but this is something I've been wanting to get you on for a while.

00:52:27.000 Talk about how in the 1800s and 1900s, this desire to remake man, the ubermensch, as Nietzsche would put it, how scientific innovation and breakthrough enabled that.

00:52:40.000 Talk about the mad scientist and why we should always be wary of someone who worships science and not God. 0.84

00:52:46.000 Like you Valley Qatari, whatever his name is. 0.86

00:52:49.000 Yeah, there was Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. 0.97

00:52:57.000 And he became a Supreme Court justice, and he is the one who did the horrible Buck V. Bell case, where there was a woman with a low IQ and the idiot women, forced sterilization of women in the 1920s, I think it was 20s, but they piggybacked on Jacobson v. Massachusetts for that decision. 0.97

00:53:19.000 But I mean, to hear it to have the government say your IQ is not high enough, we are going to sterilize you. 0.98

00:53:25.000 And it was based on this faulty science that says, well, you know, and if your parents and grandparents have a low IQ, you have a low IQ. 1.00

00:53:34.000 So Oliver Wendell Holmes' infamous quote was, Three generations of imbeciles is enough. 0.99

00:53:40.000 And so here he is without precedent, by the way, just flat out saying it's in the government's interest to sterilize these kids. 0.99

00:53:48.000 Well, that was actually used by the Nazis.

00:53:52.000 And they quoted him even in the Nuremberg trials.

00:53:56.000 And so in Germany, you have, I think it was Ernst Rudin, but he wrote articles that were published in Margaret Sanger's magazine.

00:54:06.000 And he talked about the Übermenschen, the super race.

00:54:10.000 Yes. 0.96

00:54:11.000 And then the rest were the Untermenschen, the under mankind. 0.85

00:54:15.000 And so here, the seeds of the Nazi Holocaust were planted by these Margaret Sanger, Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. types that actually had some funding from some corrupt, wealthy people, you know, the Bill Gates of the day. 0.78

00:54:33.000 But they pushed this narrative. 0.69

00:54:38.000 And, you know, there was a German in the 1930s that there was a German colony in Africa for a while.

00:54:46.000 And some of the Africans moved back to Germany.

00:54:50.000 And the government decided that they would sterilize all of these German-African mix people. 0.89

00:54:59.000 And it was forced sterilization. 0.68

00:55:02.000 But then that eventually turned into the Holocaust. 0.83

00:55:05.000 But again, it's man playing God. 0.92

00:55:08.000 And Whenever God would send an answer in the Bible, it would always be through a child.

00:55:15.000 You know, they're struggling.

00:55:17.000 He appears to Samson's parents and says, okay, you're going to have a baby and he's going to be the deliverer.

00:55:23.000 And of course, Moses' parents. 0.56

00:55:26.000 And go ahead.

00:55:28.000 I was just going to say, I was moved when I, and I've heard you speak many, many times, but when you pointed out that Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln have the exact same birth date.

00:55:41.000 And you pointed out, here's one man who's contending for the freedom of, you know, black Americans.

00:55:48.000 And at the same time, Darwin, you know, has this origin of species.

00:55:54.000 And people don't know the subtitle of it, but it's the origin of species by means of natural selection.

00:55:58.000 And then the subtitle, which they've removed now today.

00:56:00.000 It's the Negro population.

00:56:01.000 It says, or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life. 0.98

00:56:06.000 He was a complete racist, just like Margaret Sanger. 0.98

00:56:10.000 And this is the destruction of mankind. 0.97

00:56:12.000 And it's the most racist approach possible.

00:56:15.000 And yet, this is what is indoctrinating our children for generations.

00:56:22.000 I was blown away when you listed that.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, February 12th, 1819, if I'm not mistaken.

00:56:30.000 But Lincoln's best known for Emancipation Proclamation Freeing the Slaves. 0.70

00:56:34.000 Darwin's best known for evolution and the idea that some are more evolved than others.

00:56:40.000 And Lincoln put in God We Trust on Our Coins, and evolution has been used to remove the belief in God.

00:56:50.000 And Stalin acknowledged that when he was raised in an Episcopal school, but then when he went to school and he read Darwin, that's when he became an atheist. 0.79

00:56:58.000 And that's when Stalin ended up killing 60 million people. 0.62

00:57:02.000 And once you get rid of God, then there is no right or wrong. 0.83

00:57:07.000 And it's just a power grab until you die.

00:57:11.000 And they entertain a thought that they care, but it's just selfishness manifested.

00:57:17.000 And I think, you know, I always come to a spiritual aspect.

00:57:22.000 That's how I stay encouraged.

00:57:25.000 I love that about you, Bill.

00:57:26.000 That number one, God always waits until things look hopeless and then he raises up little nobodies with faith and courage.

00:57:32.000 But the other thing is, why are we here?

00:57:37.000 Why do we even exist?

00:57:38.000 And I thought, okay, let's look at it from God's point of view.

00:57:41.000 Here's God.

00:57:41.000 He exists for eternity.

00:57:43.000 He makes everything.

00:57:45.000 Everything he makes follows laws.

00:57:48.000 And to get an idea of how big God is, in 2003, the Hubble telescope was focused at a spot in the sky where there was nothing.

00:57:57.000 The spot was the size of a grain of sand held between your fingers at arm's length.

00:58:00.000 Nothing there.

00:58:01.000 They focused the Hubble telescope.

00:58:03.000 After 11 days, they developed the images.

00:58:05.000 In that tiny spot was 10,000 galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars in each galaxy.

00:58:12.000 And because light travels in waves, with blue being the shortest, fastest, and red being the longest, slowest wave, they saw the red shift.

00:58:19.000 These galaxies were moving away from us.

00:58:22.000 And they looked in other directions and they've come up with the estimate that the observable universe is 93 billion light years across and get this, still expanding at the speed of light.

00:58:34.000 And the largest star they found is Stevenson 2-18.

00:58:37.000 It's a supergas giant.

00:58:38.000 It's so large, if you were to place it in our solar system, it would engulf the orbit of Saturn, the sixth planet from the sun.

00:58:44.000 One star that big?

00:58:46.000 And God made it all.

00:58:48.000 And what could you possibly offer this being?

00:58:52.000 Why would he make you?

00:58:54.000 One reason, you're different.

00:58:58.000 Well, how are we different?

00:58:59.000 Well, everything he makes follows rules.

00:59:02.000 Laws of planetary motion, laws of gravity, laws of physics, laws of optics.

00:59:05.000 And it's almost like, you know, Ben there done that.

00:59:06.000 I can make everything.

00:59:08.000 At some point in eternity past, God said, You know, I would really like someone in my image that could love me.

00:59:13.000 Now it gets interesting because love, by definition, must be voluntary.

00:59:17.000 So, in this framework of everything he controls, he created one little thing.

00:59:20.000 He doesn't control your will.

00:59:22.000 Now, he could control it if he wanted to, but that would defeat the very reason he made you different than everything else.

00:59:27.000 And if he were to force you to love him, he himself would know he's forcing you to love him, and he would know your response is not a love response.

00:59:35.000 And so, he respects your will.

00:59:37.000 And the second part of it is he has to hide himself behind his creation because if he ever revealed himself in all of his universe-creating, omnipotent power, I mean, light brighter than a million suns.

00:59:52.000 If he appeared to you, your response, if you didn't melt, it would be like the Apostle John in the book of Revelation: I fell at his feet as dead, right?

01:00:00.000 And so, he hides himself.

01:00:01.000 People say, If God's real, why doesn't he show himself?

01:00:03.000 Because the moment he showed himself, your free will would evaporate.

01:00:06.000 In the presence of such a being, your response would be instinctive, and he's not interested in instinctive.

01:00:11.000 He can do instinctive forever, he's interested in a voluntary response.

01:00:15.000 And I use the illustration of a billionaire whose son goes to college, flies in on his private jet, drives up in his Lamborghinis, gold rings, roll his fancy clothes, walks around campus with an entourage.

01:00:27.000 He's going to have every girl wanting to meet him. 0.87

01:00:30.000 But if he lays that aside, drives up in an old clunker, he's got holes in his jeans, the uppity girls are going to ignore him. 0.91

01:00:36.000 But there's a girl that likes to study with him in the library, they eat together in the cafeteria, they become friends, and she takes heat from the click for hanging around this nobody guy.

01:00:45.000 But she believes in him.

01:00:46.000 They fall in love, they get engaged, and then he says, Hey, I want to take you back to meet my dad.

01:00:52.000 And they're like driving up to this castle mansion, and the girl's like, Whoa, you didn't tell me about all this.

01:00:57.000 Cha-ching.

01:00:58.000 He knows that she loves him for him, not because of all of his stuff. 0.84

01:01:02.000 I mean, here's the God of the universe lays aside his glory, comes humbled as a baby, and becomes man.

01:01:13.000 And the third part of it is he's just, he can't help it, which means he has to judge every sin.

01:01:18.000 If God does not judge every single sin, by default, he's giving consent to the sin.

01:01:23.000 And if God gives consent to sin, he's not just.

01:01:26.000 He denies his just nature, he denies himself, he ungods himself, he's kicked out of heaven.

01:01:31.000 So he has to judge every sin.

01:01:34.000 And so here's the dilemma: if he gives us free will, hides himself, gives us an opportunity, and we step out of line.

01:01:39.000 His just nature has to swat us and destroy us.

01:01:42.000 And so he comes up with a plan.

01:01:43.000 It's his plan.

01:01:45.000 The plan is his own son would become the lamb and take the judgment for all of our sins.

01:01:49.000 Blood must be shed for the remission of sins.

01:01:51.000 Right?

01:01:51.000 So God is just in that he judges every sin, but he's love and that he provided the lamb to take the judgment on the sin.

01:01:57.000 And people say, How can one person, right?

01:01:59.000 Well, Jesus is divine.

01:02:01.000 And you know, it says a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.

01:02:06.000 Jesus experienced that day on the cross as if it was a thousand years.

01:02:10.000 And so I got a degree in accounting.

01:02:11.000 I like things that balance.

01:02:12.000 So you take an eternal being who's innocent, suffering for a finite period of time.

01:02:18.000 It's equal to all of us finite beings who are guilty, suffering for an eternal period of time.

01:02:22.000 Wow.

01:02:23.000 Right?

01:02:23.000 Infinity times finite equals finite times infinity.

01:02:26.000 An unlimited being suffering for a limited period of time is equal to all of us limited beings suffering for an unlimited period.

01:02:31.000 That's the Bill Federer brain right there.

01:02:34.000 And so this way, through Jesus, you and I can approach this omnipotent, eternal, universe-creating being who's completely just and not fear being judged because we're approaching him through the lamb that he provided that took the punishment for all our sins.

01:02:52.000 You're a new creature in Christ.

01:02:53.000 And get what is behind, strive for what is ahead.

01:02:55.000 So why did God make us for us to glorify him then, right?

01:02:58.000 Yeah, a relationship and love.

01:03:01.000 Right?

01:03:02.000 Charlie, that's what's so fascinating about the Declaration of Independence, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, happiness being the highest virtue, because the idea is it's good.

01:03:12.000 And something is good based on its ability to do that for which it was created to do.

01:03:16.000 And we find true happiness in him is the fullness of joy.

01:03:19.000 Our founders understood that.

01:03:21.000 And once we understand the laws of nature, nature's God, that's when we flourish as a people.

01:03:26.000 And that really, that's, you know, it's that triangle of liberty, faith, virtue, freedom.

01:03:31.000 You insert that in the Teitler cycle where as the culture's collapsing, that infusion of faith once again can revive a nation and to realize who he is and who we are and repent.

01:03:47.000 We're going one way.

01:03:48.000 Turn around and go the other.

01:03:49.000 Yeah, you know, the Bible talks about us being the bride of Christ.

01:03:51.000 Every romance novel, every Hallmark movie comes to this moment where there's a forsaking of all others and choosing the one.

01:04:00.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 Right?

01:04:01.000 And if we're the bride of Christ, it only makes sense that God would push us to a decision-making moment.

01:04:06.000 Are we going to care about whatever everybody else says?

01:04:08.000 Are we going to stand up for the Lord?

01:04:10.000 And that's what gives true freedom and strength because you're no longer afraid.

01:04:14.000 Amen.

01:04:15.000 Socialism, the real history from Plato to present.

01:04:18.000 Bill Federer, final question, just to reinforce it.

01:04:21.000 What gives you hope?

01:04:22.000 You do.

01:04:23.000 Amen.

01:04:24.000 Meeting all the Turning Point USA staff here in Phoenix, but all across the country, and seeing that God is not done.

01:04:33.000 He is raising up.

01:04:35.000 And again, someday we'll be dead and you'll be in heaven because you believe that Jesus will be.

01:04:41.000 We won't be dead.

01:04:41.000 We'll begin to truly live.

01:04:42.000 But I get it.

01:04:43.000 There you go.

01:04:43.000 But we'll be in heaven, you know, like when we've been there 10,000 years, bright shining as the sun with no less days to sing his praise than when we just begun.

01:04:50.000 So imagine you're there and you're walking the streets of gold and you meet Moses.

01:04:53.000 That'd be pretty cool.

01:04:55.000 Maybe Moses will invite you over to his place.

01:04:57.000 Jesus did say, In my father's house, there are many mansions.

01:05:00.000 And so you show up, and I heard one preacher say, In heaven, you'll travel as fast as you think.

01:05:06.000 And I'll probably show up late.

01:05:08.000 My wife will say, where were you?

01:05:10.000 I was thinking about something else.

01:05:11.000 But imagine being in bed.

01:05:12.000 Moses will probably have a pretty nice house, maybe with the fireplace that the logs don't burn up.

01:05:17.000 You know, get you the burning bush in the wilderness.

01:05:21.000 But then after the story we talked over, you tell us, Moses, what was the story like?

01:05:24.000 I mean, I read the book.

01:05:25.000 I even saw the movie.

01:05:26.000 But here you are in person.

01:05:28.000 The room will get quiet.

01:05:29.000 He'll stand up and he'll say, Well, I was 80 years old and Pharaoh, the most powerful military leader, was charging in.

01:05:34.000 We were unarmed.

01:05:34.000 And I held up my staff and I said, God, use me to deliver your people.

01:05:37.000 And the waves came in.

01:05:39.000 Then we're going to look around the room and see, David, tell us your story.

01:05:41.000 And the room will get quiet.

01:05:42.000 David will say, I was just a teenager and this thug Goliath was mocking our God and making fun of us. 0.55

01:05:47.000 And grown-ups were too chicken. 0.99

01:05:48.000 I said, enough, took my little sling, hit him in the head. 0.91

01:05:50.000 One by one, they'll all tell their story. 0.86

01:05:52.000 It'll be real exciting.

01:05:53.000 And then the room will get quiet, and everybody will look at you.

01:05:55.000 Say, you tell us your story.

01:05:57.000 What was going on in earth when it was your turn to be down there?

01:05:59.000 What were they saying about the baby in the mother's womb or marriage that God Himself instituted in Genesis?

01:06:05.000 What did you do when the whole world was against you?

01:06:08.000 What did you do when it looked hopeless?

01:06:11.000 For Jesus to walk in the room and a big screen to come down, show all kinds of great things happening, and him saying, This is what I had planned for you to do, but you just didn't have enough faith and courage.

01:06:20.000 And you look back at your life and you see that mountain that held you back, just a little anthill, that little fear of man.

01:06:26.000 What are people going to say?

01:06:27.000 Are they going to unfriend me?

01:06:28.000 Are they going to post something negative on the internet about me?

01:06:31.000 It's like, you know, I let that fear of man hold me back from doing all this great stuff.

01:06:35.000 And you can't go back to earth and do anything else for the Lord because you're already in heaven because you believe Jesus died on the cross to pay for all your sins.

01:06:41.000 But guess what?

01:06:41.000 We're still on this earth.

01:06:43.000 We still have breath in our lungs.

01:06:44.000 We still have feet that trod the soil.

01:06:46.000 You still can do those things you'll be known for forever.

01:06:49.000 That's a good word.

01:06:50.000 Amen.

01:06:50.000 Bill, thanks so much for joining.

01:06:52.000 Rob, thanks for co-hosting.

01:06:53.000 Yeah, my pleasure.

01:06:54.000 I just sat here and watched.

01:06:55.000 I was like, check out Bill's books.

01:06:56.000 We're going to be doing some things together at Turning Point Academy.

01:06:58.000 It's going to be really great.

01:06:59.000 Check us out, tpusa.com.

01:07:01.000 God bless you guys.

01:07:02.000 Thank you.

01:07:03.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

01:07:04.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

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01:07:11.000 Thank you so much for listening.

01:07:12.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 26, 2022

One of the Most Enjoyable Conversations I've Ever Had with Historian Bill Federer and Rob McCoy

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