The Charlie Kirk Show - Open the Church! In Depth with Jack Hibbs

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00:00:40.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:41.000 Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with my dear friend, one of the few fighters in the country for Christ, for truth, liberty, and our country, Jack Hibbs.

00:00:53.000 It's great to be with you.

00:00:55.000 You've been indirectly on our program before when we talk on stage, which we are going to do, and that will be rebroadcast.

00:01:02.000 But every time I talk about the crisis in Christianity, I always have asterisks.

00:01:06.000 I say, accept Pastor Rob McCoy, Pastor Jack Hibbs, and Jerry Falwell Jr. from Liberty University.

00:01:14.000 You have your church open right now.

00:01:16.000 Yeah.

00:01:17.000 You had a couple people show up recently?

00:01:19.000 Just a few.

00:01:20.000 There's been a few people showing up on Sundays and Wednesdays.

00:01:23.000 14,000, you said?

00:01:25.000 We probably had 14,000 total last Sunday.

00:01:28.000 And so the edict in California, you're in Chino Hills, California, is that you should stay closed, that you have to shut down.

00:01:38.000 You have decided to open, and you're one of the very few that have made this decision.

00:01:43.000 What has the response been amongst, first and foremost, and most importantly, the people that attend every Sunday?

00:01:49.000 The people that attend every Sunday are literally walking into the building, smiles huge, tears flowing down their face, the need to worship, gather together again, quite frankly, shocked me.

00:02:04.000 It shouldn't have shocked me, but they're overwhelmed.

00:02:07.000 I mean, jaw-dropping thankfulness to God, which is translated in their attentiveness to the message, the volume and participation of their singing and worship.

00:02:17.000 30 years of ministry, never seen it like this before, Charlie.

00:02:21.000 So, but you also offer social distancing in the courtyard?

00:02:24.000 You can do anything here, whatever is your flavor.

00:02:27.000 We have social distancing in the courtyard, social distancing out on the grass.

00:02:32.000 We have a big lawn area.

00:02:34.000 If people want that.

00:02:35.000 If they want that.

00:02:37.000 They can watch online.

00:02:38.000 They can watch online.

00:02:39.000 They can watch and listen inside of their car in the parking lot.

00:02:43.000 We stream FM frequency to the parking lot in their vehicles, or they can just do normal, which is full-blown.

00:02:52.000 And that's we give them everything that can possibly be experienced.

00:02:57.000 Jumbotron screen outdoors if they want that.

00:03:00.000 Yet we're still in violation of Governor Newsom's edicts, you know, and there's like our attorneys told us, there's no way you can please him.

00:03:09.000 There's just no way.

00:03:10.000 So what do we do?

00:03:11.000 Shut down the church?

00:03:12.000 No, that's impossible.

00:03:13.000 Jesus said, I've set before you an open door, not a closed one.

00:03:16.000 So I don't have the authority to close the doors to the church.

00:03:20.000 Only Jesus has that.

00:03:21.000 So we're open.

00:03:22.000 We'll continue to stay open.

00:03:23.000 And we've made it known that if we are shut down, Charlie, they're going to have to honestly chain the door shut.

00:03:30.000 And then we have a plan B. Our plan B is to actually take it out on the streets or in the parks and do services.

00:03:36.000 We actually have that.

00:03:38.000 You have courage and a backbone, unlike most pastors in our country.

00:03:42.000 A lot of our listeners email us at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:03:46.000 Charlie, my pastor, has remained closed, but interestingly, he opened momentarily for a BLM moment of silence to take a nean all this.

00:03:54.000 There's real things we get.

00:03:56.000 I'm in an interesting position, Jack, because I take a very firm stance on these issues, and I hear from people all across the country.

00:04:03.000 And there are people that are searching for leadership right now.

00:04:07.000 How have you've obviously had the backlash?

00:04:10.000 That's something that you just are used to.

00:04:13.000 Tell us some of the positive stories, though, that have come out of this.

00:04:17.000 The rewards, not just for you, but for the church and the kingdom.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, well, we preach a very clear gospel here.

00:04:25.000 You're not going to come here for three weeks and wonder what we're talking about.

00:04:28.000 You're going to know the first 20 minutes walking into this place.

00:04:30.000 So the rewards have been this.

00:04:32.000 People who never visited us before, because we're open, they've come in and they have said, last Sunday, for example, this woman came.

00:04:41.000 It's her third week to church.

00:04:43.000 She is a Jehovah's Witness.

00:04:45.000 She was taught that Jesus is not God incarnate all her life.

00:04:49.000 She saw Bible.

00:04:51.000 She saw teaching and preaching from the scriptures in these last three weeks.

00:04:56.000 And she was out in the foyer last Sunday bawling because she said, I see Jesus now for who he is.

00:05:02.000 He is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

00:05:04.000 And her life's been completely transformed.

00:05:06.000 That's one person, Charlie.

00:05:08.000 We were seeing people driving from Ventura, people driving from Santa Barbara, people driving from San Diego.

00:05:14.000 And every service is packed out.

00:05:17.000 So when I talk about you and Pastor Rob McCoy, some of the weak Christian pastors, and I can be more critical than you can towards these pastors just because I'm not completely in that community, but some of these weak Christian pastors, they say, but Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy, they make an idol out of politics, and it's a political first church.

00:05:38.000 First of all, they're just wrong.

00:05:40.000 That is a falsehood.

00:05:41.000 It is a Christ-first church. 0.61

00:05:44.000 Can you talk about that?

00:05:45.000 Yeah, listen, I actually, I'm not saying this to be sarcastic in any way.

00:05:49.000 Actually, I understand where they're coming from.

00:05:52.000 What are they going to do as they look around at their flock?

00:05:55.000 I say look around, as their flock emails them saying, when are you going to open up?

00:06:00.000 And the pressure from the flock, because they're hungry and they want to get back to fellowship.

00:06:04.000 They may have a board breathing down their neck or what I do not know.

00:06:09.000 But the bottom line is this.

00:06:10.000 Those pastors need to open up now because it is the church.

00:06:16.000 Gavin Newsom is not the head of the church.

00:06:19.000 It's Jesus.

00:06:20.000 And people want to put the church, every government wants to put the church either in a essential or non-essential category.

00:06:27.000 Our governor makes it very clear the church is non-essential.

00:06:31.000 We refuse to be categorized like that.

00:06:33.000 We believe from the Bible that the church is transcendent.

00:06:37.000 It is a living, breathing organism.

00:06:40.000 It's not of this world.

00:06:42.000 It is not subject to government in that capacity.

00:06:46.000 And what's funny is for years, people have said, separation, church and state.

00:06:50.000 You guys shouldn't be doing this.

00:06:51.000 You shouldn't be doing this.

00:06:52.000 Well, the interesting thing is that the government now, they don't see that separation.

00:06:56.000 They step in and they say, we're going to lord our confused, let's be honest, our confused agenda, even over the church.

00:07:04.000 We don't know if you should wear a mask this week or not.

00:07:06.000 We don't know if you should be six feet apart or three feet.

00:07:09.000 We don't know if we should open or not.

00:07:11.000 Listen, people are dying.

00:07:13.000 People are emotionally distraught spiritually in the desert.

00:07:17.000 Isn't that the most important time to have church?

00:07:19.000 Absolutely.

00:07:20.000 What in the world are we doing when we shut down a living, breathing organism that brings stability, comfort, and frankly, logic to the illogic of what we're living through right now?

00:07:33.000 But listen, our governor absolutely sees it different.

00:07:35.000 And many other governors agree at that.

00:07:39.000 Two points on that.

00:07:40.000 The first of which, some Christian pastors will say, but Romans 13 says we must go right out of time.

00:07:45.000 What does that mean? 0.94

00:07:45.000 Agreed. 0.94

00:07:46.000 Absolutely agree.

00:07:46.000 We did that.

00:07:47.000 In fact, if anybody has a chance, they should read John MacArthur's letter to the California churches.

00:07:51.000 He articulates it perfectly.

00:07:53.000 When President Trump asked us to shut down for 15 days, we did it.

00:07:58.000 Then Trump came back, remember, and said, well, sorry, let's do another 15 days because we've got to flatten that curve.

00:08:04.000 We did that.

00:08:05.000 Then Trump wisely, I didn't like it, Charlie, but wisely, Trump honored states' rights and gave jurisdiction over to the governors.

00:08:14.000 And our governor just doubled down on his true colors and feelings about the church in California.

00:08:21.000 So we petitioned his office saying, where are we?

00:08:25.000 What phase are we in?

00:08:26.000 No response, no response.

00:08:28.000 Just kicked the can down the road when the church was asking, what about us?

00:08:32.000 So what we did, listen, we obeyed the law, but when it became evident to us that we had a governor that was going to keep the church, and he's going to still keep the churches that are closed, Charlie, he's going to keep those churches closed until some advantage comes his way.

00:08:49.000 So we did obey Romans 13.

00:08:51.000 When it became clear that it's time to obey God rather than man, we respectfully parted ways with that restriction.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 And it's also important to remember that the sovereign in our country is not necessarily Gavin Newsom, it's the people.

00:09:07.000 That's right.

00:09:08.000 We absolutely.

00:09:09.000 And it's a very important philosophical distinction.

00:09:12.000 Second part is this.

00:09:13.000 The Supreme Court just said that church is not essential.

00:09:16.000 Should we listen to that?

00:09:18.000 No, absolutely not.

00:09:19.000 So how do we reconcile that with Romans 13?

00:09:22.000 It's the same argument.

00:09:23.000 It's the same argument where they are making a ruling regarding, you're referring to the Nevada.

00:09:30.000 Yeah, with John Roberts, who decided to side with casinos and other churches.

00:09:34.000 He's seen lately on a lot of topics, hasn't he?

00:09:36.000 But anyway, I could go into that extensively.

00:09:40.000 Again, that's one of those things where it doesn't matter how black the robe is.

00:09:44.000 It has to do with obeying the gospel in the commission.

00:09:48.000 So, for example, Jesus says I've opened the church, so tell me where he says to shut it.

00:09:52.000 Now, somebody might say, but don't you love people?

00:09:54.000 If you love people, you'll shut your doors.

00:09:55.000 Well, wait a minute.

00:09:56.000 That is a value statement.

00:09:58.000 What do you mean, love people?

00:10:00.000 Well, if you love people, you should shut down because you don't want anybody to get sick.

00:10:03.000 We don't want anybody to get sick, but we do know something.

00:10:05.000 People do get sick every day.

00:10:07.000 In fact, Charlie, what are they telling us?

00:10:09.000 128,000 are dead now from COVID?

00:10:12.000 Not true.

00:10:13.000 They've not backed out the numbers of those who have died from diabetes.

00:10:17.000 It's dying with and dying from.

00:10:19.000 So the number is skewed, but my point is this.

00:10:19.000 Exactly.

00:10:22.000 When we talk about, well, we need to love one another.

00:10:24.000 I can't think of a greater way to love someone out of suicide, love them out of a broken marriage, love them out of the dilemma.

00:10:33.000 It's not, listen, 90 plus percent of people who contract COVID survive.

00:10:39.000 Here's what I tell people: is one of the most misrepresented parts of Christianity is when people say, trust your neighbor as yourself.

00:10:46.000 You know, love your neighbor, treat other people the way you want to be treated, love your neighbor as yourself.

00:10:51.000 Exactly.

00:10:52.000 And so I think that it gets misrepresented at times where people say, What does that actually look like?

00:10:58.000 I think love is trust, right?

00:11:00.000 If you actually think about it, a true loving relationship is a trustworthy relationship, right?

00:11:05.000 Trustworthy marriage, a trustworthy business.

00:11:08.000 And so because of that, if you have love, you trust people to hopefully make informed choices.

00:11:14.000 I don't think that if you say we have to keep things endlessly closed, I don't trust my congregation to make good choices.

00:11:21.000 I think part of love is liberty, too.

00:11:23.000 That's right.

00:11:23.000 Because in order to trust, you must make choices.

00:11:25.000 Therefore, you must have liberty. 0.98

00:11:27.000 And so I'm of the opinion that there is going to be a foolish human being that does something silly today. 0.99

00:11:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:35.000 That will happen.

00:11:36.000 Absolutely.

00:11:37.000 It could be someone that drinks too much at a bar and then gets into a car. 0.94

00:11:40.000 It could be someone that does something abusive to a spouse or a family member.

00:11:45.000 That stuff happens in the parameters of our broken world.

00:11:48.000 That's right.

00:11:49.000 It is inexcusable to then say we are going to then centrally plan human behavior by shutting the doors to the one place where moral order is actually given.

00:11:59.000 So there might be someone that walks into your church that does something.

00:12:03.000 They might walk into the non-socially distanced area, and maybe they shouldn't be doing that.

00:12:09.000 That's going to be a price that they're going to have to pay.

00:12:12.000 And that's liberty.

00:12:14.000 And so we are going to love on them.

00:12:16.000 We're going to treat them well.

00:12:17.000 But in some ways, you have to be able to say part of liberty is responsibility. 0.95

00:12:22.000 Charlie, we're at a moment right now in our nation's experiment where there's a whole generation that thinks that they're doing the more, the more republic thing, the more responsible thing, the more Christian thing by staying sequestered and staying wrapped and staying out of life. 0.81

00:12:41.000 But the truth is, and you said it, you know what?

00:12:44.000 You said it recently.

00:12:46.000 It was either one of your podcasts or Eric Metaxa's podcast.

00:12:50.000 You had given a great, great logic, a great argument about how the very need that the church can bring to a culture that is protesting.

00:13:03.000 Remember that?

00:13:04.000 And rioting, where, oh, go out and ride it.

00:13:06.000 You don't have to be social distancing.

00:13:08.000 You know, just throw your Molotov cocktail in the right direction.

00:13:12.000 But no church. 0.92

00:13:13.000 Yes.

00:13:13.000 And you had a great, do you remember that?

00:13:15.000 Can you comment on it?

00:13:16.000 Because it was great.

00:13:17.000 Well, I think I said this to Eric, who's an American hero.

00:13:20.000 He's phenomenal.

00:13:21.000 I said, there's a direct connection between social unrest and churches being closed.

00:13:25.000 And if people are not going to churches, and we believe that communion is a sacrament, and we do believe that you should be able to take the blood and body of Jesus Christ, but even beyond that, if you remove the celebration of the risen Christ, if you remove Easter and Palm Sunday, and all of a sudden, five weeks later, you have complete and total turmoil.

00:13:25.000 I believe it.

00:13:43.000 Well, maybe there was something actually to celebrating Easter.

00:13:46.000 Maybe there was something for the one person who might go to church a year.

00:13:50.000 That might be the only service I go to.

00:13:51.000 They dress up in a full suit and tie.

00:13:52.000 They dress up all their daughters in dresses and all their kids in suits.

00:13:55.000 They go to Easter and they sit through a 90-minute service.

00:13:57.000 Jack, 30 years, how many people on Easter Sunday have given their life to the Lord?

00:14:02.000 I'm sure you have examples.

00:14:03.000 Right?

00:14:03.000 I can't even count.

00:14:04.000 Exactly.

00:14:05.000 Every pastor I talk to agrees with this, whether they remained open or closed.

00:14:05.000 Beyond.

00:14:08.000 They say, you know what, that's a good point.

00:14:09.000 So how many lives did not get committed to the Lord April 12th?

00:14:14.000 I think that was Easter this year.

00:14:15.000 And so then all of a sudden you extrapolate that a month and a half later, these protests happen.

00:14:19.000 We ask ourselves, huh?

00:14:20.000 Six weeks earlier, we decided the most important day on the Christian calendar doesn't matter.

00:14:24.000 And all the ripple effects, right, where they go back to their community and say, hey, guys, I'm a new person because I'm born new in Jesus Christ. 0.90

00:14:29.000 We cut that off.

00:14:30.000 Now, some people did it digitally.

00:14:32.000 I'm anti-digital.

00:14:33.000 I just am because I think we're over-digitized in our society.

00:14:36.000 And I think it means less.

00:14:38.000 It's not meaningless.

00:14:39.000 I think that people can still give their life.

00:14:40.000 I think it's great.

00:14:41.000 And the numbers and the hits and the views.

00:14:43.000 I think there is something irreplaceable to going into a physical place around the person next to you who's crying and they're having their own experience.

00:14:49.000 All of a sudden, there's that ecclesia of the gathering of the world.

00:14:51.000 Absolutely.

00:14:52.000 100%.

00:14:53.000 And so we have fooled ourselves.

00:14:55.000 We say, I wonder why America is, what's going on here?

00:14:59.000 It's very simple.

00:15:00.000 There are 25 million people that are not going to church every single week.

00:15:04.000 It's not that hard. 0.99

00:15:05.000 That's exactly correct.

00:15:06.000 This kept our republic together for 200 years.

00:15:11.000 It's what our French friend, what was his name?

00:15:13.000 Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

00:15:14.000 No. 0.83

00:15:14.000 He's not a French. 0.83

00:15:15.000 De Tocqueville. 0.76

00:15:16.000 Oh, Alexis de Tocqueville.

00:15:17.000 De Tocqueville.

00:15:19.000 I looked around for America's greatness.

00:15:20.000 It wasn't in our harbor.

00:15:22.000 It was in the pews of the church.

00:15:23.000 It was in the pews and the pulpits.

00:15:24.000 Yes.

00:15:25.000 And so, listen, you bring this up.

00:15:27.000 So we have been seeing 100, 200 people a week giving their hearts to Christ since this reopening.

00:15:36.000 So you make a very, very good point.

00:15:37.000 Where are these people?

00:15:38.000 What has led them to make this decision?

00:15:40.000 The dynamic, the pain, the sorrow.

00:15:42.000 People are now listening who otherwise were not listening before.

00:15:46.000 But to stress the point that you're making is this, that if you believe in spiritual things, I do.

00:15:53.000 I'm a Christian.

00:15:54.000 I believe in the Bible.

00:15:57.000 You mentioned this shutdown happening at Easter time.

00:16:01.000 The attack against the church across these states, senseless.

00:16:04.000 You can have more people in your casino, but you can't do your church.

00:16:08.000 Or your strip club or your strip.

00:16:09.000 Or your marijuana decision.

00:16:10.000 Hey, how about this?

00:16:11.000 No singing.

00:16:13.000 Governor Newsom says no singing.

00:16:15.000 No singing.

00:16:16.000 No gathering, no singing.

00:16:17.000 Weird. 1.00

00:16:18.000 But go get an abortion. 1.00

00:16:20.000 We're still open. 1.00

00:16:21.000 You can still go get an abortion. 0.99

00:16:23.000 Okay, don't tell me that that is just bad decision making.

00:16:27.000 I think there are spiritual powers behind such conduct.

00:16:31.000 And when you begin to unpack and look, look at the confusion that's out there today.

00:16:31.000 Of course.

00:16:36.000 Confusion is a tool of the Amen.

00:16:38.000 Absolutely.

00:16:38.000 Yes.

00:16:39.000 And so I don't want to sound like a party pooper, but we're being played.

00:16:46.000 People have been completely disabled because of fear.

00:16:50.000 People are afraid of things that don't even exist.

00:16:53.000 Oh my gosh, I forgot my mask.

00:16:55.000 Listen to Fauci.

00:16:55.000 Oh, it's okay.

00:16:56.000 Your mask doesn't work.

00:16:57.000 Even Fauci said your mask doesn't work.

00:16:59.000 Oh, what about this?

00:17:01.000 Go out.

00:17:01.000 It's okay.

00:17:02.000 If you're scared, go outside.

00:17:03.000 COVID lasts six to 32 seconds in UV light.

00:17:06.000 Go outside.

00:17:07.000 No, no, no.

00:17:08.000 Stay indoors.

00:17:09.000 That confusion should tell people something's up.

00:17:13.000 Oh, and by the way, Charlie, it's going to get real worse as we approach November.

00:17:18.000 Yeah, I'm afraid you're right.

00:17:19.000 But I have a theory, and the Republican establishment isn't saying this.

00:17:24.000 I think that the thing we should focus on most is getting churches open.

00:17:28.000 I think if churches open, all of a sudden moral order just goes.

00:17:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:31.000 And it's a subtle moral order, right? 0.94

00:17:33.000 And so what Christians have basically decided, and again, I've been very vocal against this. 0.90

00:17:37.000 I've talked to a lot of pastors about this and all sorts of different traditions.

00:17:40.000 And I get emails of people that think I'm, you know, out in left field here.

00:17:43.000 They say, you're not a pastor.

00:17:44.000 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:17:45.000 It's like, oh, yeah, I guess you must be reading a different book than I am.

00:17:48.000 Sorry.

00:17:48.000 Sorry, I don't have like a special access.

00:17:50.000 Truth is there.

00:17:51.000 Like, okay, I guess you can tell me something I'm missing.

00:17:54.000 Yeah, of course I'm missing it.

00:17:55.000 I'm a mighty oral.

00:17:56.000 I'm sure I'm missing something, right?

00:17:57.000 He's like, please give us the wisdom from on high.

00:17:59.000 Anyway, the point is this.

00:18:01.000 They say, well, you know, we must wait this out.

00:18:03.000 I mean, there was some guy, some megachurch pastor, he said, we're going to stay closed till February or something crazy.

00:18:08.000 I can fix that in a second.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, and so then it's, but then I ask myself the question, what you're basically saying is you're pricing yourself out of existence.

00:18:16.000 I mean, and they're basically making the argument that a live stream is equivalent.

00:18:21.000 And I'm a big believer in the person that comes to church and they see a friend and all of a sudden they have a common moral connection and they might need a loan or they might need a job or their kid might need a ride to the airport.

00:18:32.000 That is all just gone now.

00:18:34.000 Not in your church, but it just gets disappeared.

00:18:36.000 And then so you say 100 to 150 people giving their lives to Christ every single week.

00:18:40.000 Well, you extrapolate that to the churches across the country.

00:18:43.000 How many people would have been in the kingdom of God this calendar year if churches would have remained open?

00:18:47.000 Wow.

00:18:50.000 That's like that's an absolutely petrifying thought.

00:18:52.000 But it's just that that should just drive chills down everyone's spine.

00:18:55.000 The mathematics of this is there's arguably hundreds of thousands of lost souls that would have been baked into the statistical pie.

00:19:03.000 And every church has it into their, you know this, that they're going to have a certain amount of conversions, hopefully every year.

00:19:10.000 I know they're not happening at a lot of different churches.

00:19:12.000 Listen, you can know that there's a new movie coming out.

00:19:17.000 There's a movie with Tom Hanks and it's coming out.

00:19:19.000 Well, we can't go to the theaters, so we can watch it on Hulu or Netflix.

00:19:23.000 We'll just get some popcorn, sit at home and watch it.

00:19:26.000 It's no big deal.

00:19:27.000 It might even be better that you stay at home and watch it.

00:19:30.000 The weird thing about church, for those who have experienced church, and this is why church will never be replaced, you can create the greatest technologies in the world.

00:19:38.000 You can have all the AI you want. 0.52

00:19:40.000 It ain't going to take the place of church because there is something called koinonia.

00:19:45.000 It's the work of the Holy Spirit among brothers and sisters in Christ.

00:19:49.000 It is something that people experience, which you asked me earlier, what are people saying?

00:19:53.000 They're saying this: I felt the presence of God when I pulled into the parking lot.

00:19:57.000 Amen.

00:19:58.000 I felt the presence of God even before the service began. 0.96

00:20:01.000 Are these people nuts or are they experiencing the work of God?

00:20:05.000 And here's the thing: you can stream, and some people live somewhere they need to, or you're shut in. 0.94

00:20:10.000 You know, you just had surgery.

00:20:11.000 I get it, but that's not church.

00:20:14.000 The Bible tells us in Hebrews 10:25 that we need to get together.

00:20:18.000 Okay.

00:20:18.000 Yes.

00:20:19.000 And don't forsake that.

00:20:20.000 If you can't make it to church, you can't make it to church.

00:20:23.000 But if you make it, those two experiences are, you can't even compare the two.

00:20:28.000 Watching church online or being at church, one is a supernatural experience.

00:20:34.000 Yes.

00:20:35.000 And it's being there.

00:20:36.000 And you cannot replace that.

00:20:37.000 And so we look at our country.

00:20:39.000 I think that the forces of darkness are happy the more churches are closed.

00:20:44.000 Because then you have confusion.

00:20:44.000 Absolutely.

00:20:45.000 You have confused people.

00:20:45.000 No doubt.

00:20:47.000 You have disconnected people.

00:20:49.000 You have people that de-emphasize the moral order and the moral good.

00:20:52.000 And that's why I say ahead of the election, we ought to get every church open.

00:20:56.000 And I wish every church spoke about moral issues like you do.

00:20:59.000 And I want to get into that in a second.

00:21:01.000 But even if they don't, even if they are reciting the Lord's Prayer, even if they are looking at the symbology of the cross, I'm a big believer that most of our decisions are actually made not consciously, especially for most people that don't actually do analytical thinking and human psychology.

00:21:17.000 Where most people that, even if you're attending a church, I think you're far less likely, far less likely to indulge in these humanistic nihilistic because all of a sudden they say, well, there's something great.

00:21:27.000 It's like a road sign.

00:21:28.000 It's there.

00:21:29.000 It's almost an hour-long advertisement on maybe you should reflect and maybe we shouldn't burn down everything in the world.

00:21:36.000 But when you just remove that, then something has to fill that void.

00:21:43.000 And in social protest or in burning down American cities.

00:21:47.000 Look where Charlie, look where America has gone since the removal, what, 1962, 63?

00:21:51.000 Oh, prayer and 10 commandments.

00:21:54.000 It's so perplexing to me.

00:21:55.000 I say this to journalists, and they think I'm some sort of extremist.

00:21:59.000 I say, prayer should be in every single school across the country.

00:22:03.000 If not, the funding should be pulled.

00:22:04.000 Absolutely. 0.90

00:22:05.000 And they're like, oh, you're crazy. 0.92

00:22:06.000 I'm like, well, really? 0.87

00:22:08.000 The founding fathers wouldn't open Congress without prayer.

00:22:11.000 But then also, exactly.

00:22:12.000 But then I say, and this is a deeper point, is that you guys have your own prayer.

00:22:17.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

00:22:18.000 I say, you guys recite all of BLM's nonsense, like incantation-like. 0.85

00:22:23.000 Incantations. 0.88

00:22:24.000 Or you guys put white fragility like it's 1 Peter. 1.00

00:22:27.000 I mean, it's so true. 1.00

00:22:28.000 You guys put forward Nicole Hannah-Jones in the 1619 project as if I'm reading Proverbs.

00:22:33.000 Yes.

00:22:34.000 This idea that you can remove human man's search for meaning, Victor Frankl.

00:22:39.000 Yep. 0.99

00:22:39.000 You're going to replace it with garbage. 0.99

00:22:42.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:22:42.000 The scripture says that God has put eternity in our hearts. 0.99

00:22:45.000 So if you're a follower of God or not, you're following something because you've got that hole that you want to connect.

00:22:52.000 There's only one thing that can fill it.

00:22:54.000 Exactly.

00:22:55.000 And there's a falseness that there is a false appearance or a mirage that can fill it.

00:23:00.000 And the left tries to do that.

00:23:01.000 Absolutely.

00:23:02.000 So you are a supporter of President Trump.

00:23:04.000 I am.

00:23:05.000 As a pastor.

00:23:06.000 I am.

00:23:07.000 Yes.

00:23:07.000 Of a church.

00:23:08.000 In California.

00:23:09.000 100%.

00:23:10.000 Tell us more.

00:23:11.000 First of all, I'm committed to my state.

00:23:14.000 I know this is going to sound crazy, but I was born and raised here.

00:23:17.000 I'm very possessive of my state.

00:23:19.000 I know the history of my state.

00:23:21.000 My state, for example, has a series of missions that were planted at the same time.

00:23:27.000 The U.S. revolution was taking place against England.

00:23:31.000 California is experiencing the building and planting from 1772 to 1776 of the mission station.

00:23:37.000 That's a great point.

00:23:38.000 Right?

00:23:38.000 The gospel is being preached on this end of the continent, and there's been great revivals here.

00:23:42.000 Having said that, California is a gem for all kinds of reasons.

00:23:46.000 Here's the deal.

00:23:47.000 California has so hit the bottom.

00:23:49.000 And I know Ben Shapiro and I shared this.

00:23:51.000 Ben says, hang on to California because it's so bad.

00:23:55.000 It has to turn good.

00:23:57.000 I believe that we've hit it so bad.

00:23:59.000 When you see Democrats come to church and change their party affiliation in the courtyard in voter registration, we've never seen that before.

00:24:08.000 When you have people saying, we've gone too far, I had a chance to tell President Trump in the Roosevelt room, President Trump, please come and campaign in California.

00:24:18.000 And he said, California, it's corrupt.

00:24:19.000 I said, yes, sir, it is.

00:24:20.000 He goes, it's impossible.

00:24:22.000 I said, yeah, but rumor has it that you love the impossible.

00:24:25.000 And he said, do you think I could win California?

00:24:27.000 And they said, I don't know, but I know this.

00:24:29.000 If there's a Democrat or a Republican president that could snatch California from the Democrat grip, you're the man.

00:24:36.000 And so I do believe, I believe that California can turn around.

00:24:40.000 And we see sights of this now.

00:24:43.000 There was a bill.

00:24:44.000 We're going to announce it tonight.

00:24:45.000 There is a bill that was absolutely Charlie.

00:24:48.000 There's no way that it was going to be stopped.

00:24:50.000 They had a supermajority, and it was a $15 million funded bill that would pay, begin at the eight-year mark of a public school child.

00:24:59.000 If that child wanted a hormone replacement to change their gender, the California taxpayer was going to pay for it.

00:25:06.000 It was scheduled to go through.

00:25:07.000 Guess what happened?

00:25:09.000 It was just pulled yesterday.

00:25:09.000 We don't know why.

00:25:11.000 It was pulled.

00:25:12.000 It will not be voted on.

00:25:13.000 Did this church call by the thousands?

00:25:15.000 Yes, we know that for a fact.

00:25:16.000 Did it matter?

00:25:17.000 We don't know.

00:25:19.000 That brings us hope.

00:25:20.000 Yes.

00:25:21.000 And in the 25th district, Mike Garcia, who wasn't supposed to win, no Republican had won the 25th district. 0.53

00:25:27.000 Katie Hill resigned.

00:25:28.000 In 53 or 55 years, Mike Garcia wins.

00:25:28.000 Yep.

00:25:32.000 By 10 points or something.

00:25:33.000 Oh, it was so big that the other team didn't even contest it.

00:25:36.000 That's how big it was.

00:25:37.000 So there's hope.

00:25:38.000 California, you know, in the 60s and 70s, California was what was best about America.

00:25:44.000 That's right.

00:25:44.000 In a lot of ways, California, in the California you grew up, people really didn't care where you were from.

00:25:49.000 It was kind of a place where you could reinvent yourself.

00:25:52.000 Completely.

00:25:53.000 Exactly.

00:25:53.000 And what do you do?

00:25:54.000 That was the question that people would always ask in California.

00:25:57.000 And because no one was actually from California in the 60s and 70s, unless your grandfather was a missionary.

00:26:03.000 But it was basically.

00:26:05.000 But if you actually look at the songs and the movies that we enjoyed in the 70s and 80s, especially, it was so glamorizing California and for good reason.

00:26:13.000 It was a place that you could pick yourself up and the weather is great, but you could go create something.

00:26:17.000 You could be somebody like Steve Jobs.

00:26:20.000 You could actually make a company called Apple.

00:26:20.000 Yeah.

00:26:23.000 You could be inventors of the aerospace industry, you name it.

00:26:29.000 Yes.

00:26:31.000 Look at Elon Musk.

00:26:32.000 California was his on and on it goes.

00:26:36.000 Because now it's a place that strangles a weed.

00:26:38.000 It's dystopian now, isn't it?

00:26:40.000 Absolutely.

00:26:40.000 Now, you know, sadly, because he's not far from here as SpaceX and Tesla, but they're packing up and they're heading out of town.

00:26:47.000 So you support the president?

00:26:48.000 Yes.

00:26:49.000 Pro-life.

00:26:49.000 Why?

00:26:51.000 I start right there.

00:26:52.000 Well, I don't like his tweets.

00:26:54.000 Who cares about his tweets?

00:26:55.000 The man's policies are pro-life.

00:26:58.000 Well, I don't like his hair.

00:27:00.000 I don't care about his hair.

00:27:01.000 You know what?

00:27:02.000 The guy's strong on borders.

00:27:04.000 Well, I don't know if that's fair or not.

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:05.000 Why don't you go with us?

00:27:06.000 I've taken a bunch of pastors down to the border and took a tour, and they showed us where all the drug trafficking and all the human trafficking had to stop because they shut down with the wall, the fence, and they made it so much more difficult for these horrible human beings to traffic these drugs and humans across the border.

00:27:26.000 Ask border agents down there what they think about Trump's policy.

00:27:30.000 So pro-life, number one, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump in this election because he's pro-life. 0.95

00:27:34.000 The Bible, my God, makes it clear I need to speak up for those who have no voice, those who are destined to be destroyed.

00:27:42.000 Proverbs.

00:27:43.000 And Biden's the exact opposite.

00:27:45.000 Democrat Party, look at the platforms.

00:27:48.000 Just read the platforms.

00:27:49.000 You don't even have to get bogged down in the candidates.

00:27:51.000 Read the platforms.

00:27:52.000 If you approach a Judeo-Christian worldview, you have got to vote Republican down the ballot because of the pro-life position alone.

00:28:01.000 Yeah, but they might vary over here.

00:28:03.000 I don't care.

00:28:04.000 Let's start with the thing that matters most with God.

00:28:06.000 It's pro-life.

00:28:07.000 But when you talk about military, I'm a big military guy. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Stop and ask a man or a woman in uniform.

00:28:14.000 Trump has transformed the whole atmosphere of our military.

00:28:19.000 So go down that list.

00:28:21.000 I'm for Donald Trump.

00:28:22.000 But listen, can I say this, Charlie? 0.93

00:28:25.000 I don't believe, and it's really stupid for us to believe that, oh, I don't know if I can vote or not because what? 0.68

00:28:33.000 Well, this person, he's a little off in this area. 0.91

00:28:35.000 Listen, can we get this straight?

00:28:37.000 The Messiah is not arriving on Air Force One.

00:28:40.000 The answer is not in the State House or in the White House.

00:28:42.000 It's in God's house.

00:28:44.000 But the Bible commands us to pick for ourselves leaders.

00:28:48.000 And boy, doesn't that kind of sound like the republic we live in?

00:28:51.000 Yes.

00:28:51.000 And so go further into that.

00:28:55.000 And then I have some thoughts.

00:28:57.000 A lot of Christians say, I can't vote for Donald Trump.

00:28:59.000 And even worse, pastors are now going against Donald Trump and either being neutral or going to Joe Biden.

00:29:06.000 A lot of people listening to this have very weak pastors.

00:29:08.000 They go to churches that are not political.

00:29:11.000 Here you are pastoring a church where 14,000 people show up, a lot to lose.

00:29:15.000 You double down, triple down, and you're actually flourishing and growing.

00:29:19.000 Comment on all of that.

00:29:21.000 I think listen, pastors, I'm going to be straight up with you.

00:29:26.000 Please be very honest.

00:29:27.000 I guess you can go to seminary and get your degree and get a job, and it's called being a pastor.

00:29:33.000 Or you can go to seminary and get your degree and be called of God.

00:29:37.000 And if you're called of God, you're not going to be manipulated.

00:29:41.000 You're not going to test the breeze on social media to see if your decisions are right.

00:29:46.000 You're not going to be checking your Twitter account numbers.

00:29:50.000 You're a pastor.

00:29:51.000 Jesus made it very, very clear.

00:29:53.000 If you really stand with me, you're going to be hated.

00:29:56.000 Isn't that weird?

00:29:57.000 Jesus was the most loving human to ever grace this planet, but he's the most hated.

00:30:02.000 That's my goal, is to be the most hated and the most loving.

00:30:06.000 Why?

00:30:07.000 Because evil will hate what's good.

00:30:09.000 Evil will hate what God says.

00:30:11.000 As a pastor, I'm supposed to blow the trumpet on the wall to educate the community, the church, and beyond.

00:30:17.000 So it's not about being relevant, Charlie.

00:30:20.000 I always tell people, Christians in particular, and we're going to dive into this tonight, which is that you have to understand you're electing a government, not a king.

00:30:29.000 And so the person that you are voting for actually is the figurehead of a movement and even a deeper philosophy.

00:30:36.000 So instead of Donald Trump versus Biden, it really should be reason versus arson of America.

00:30:42.000 And it's quite, it's unbelievably simple.

00:30:46.000 And so because you're actually electing a multi-thousand person government that is going to be staffing micro-decisions every single day.

00:30:53.000 And people say, well, I don't like his tweets.

00:30:55.000 And I say, well, that's a really bad reason to go vote for someone who is going to take a Molotov cocktail to our country.

00:31:05.000 I know this is your show, but can I ask you a question?

00:31:07.000 Of course you can.

00:31:07.000 What do you honestly think when somebody says something like that?

00:31:10.000 When they say, oh, Charlie, I can't vote for him.

00:31:13.000 I don't like his tweets.

00:31:14.000 Do you know what I think?

00:31:16.000 I think I'm talking to one of the most shallow people on the planet.

00:31:19.000 Yes and no.

00:31:20.000 I think you're probably right.

00:31:21.000 And I also think this is a problem in Christianity.

00:31:25.000 And I think you have done an amazing job of educating people against this.

00:31:30.000 And I don't know if you're a Calvinist or not, but I see this in California.

00:31:34.000 I'm like 7.92.

00:31:37.000 Are you a 7.9 Calvinist or something?

00:31:39.000 Or 4.97.

00:31:41.000 Are you all of them?

00:31:42.000 No, but I mean, I say this for a reason, though, and I, because I grew up in a lot of Calvinist circles, and there is a self-righteousness that sets in in certain Calvinist circles.

00:31:51.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:31:52.000 And so, I grew up in the Presbyterian church.

00:31:53.000 I grew up in that, and I'm no longer that.

00:31:56.000 And I'm not sure if I agree with Paul Calvin.

00:31:58.000 Exactly.

00:31:58.000 I'm kind of confused, like honestly, and I just read about it, and I think that's okay.

00:32:01.000 Because I get the big things, I think.

00:32:03.000 But I do think that the committed Calvinists, the people that literally go to Calvin College, there's a virtue signaling self-righteousness.

00:32:12.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:32:14.000 And there's an elevation to the nose that goes up.

00:32:17.000 And you see it.

00:32:18.000 And all of a sudden, it's him?

00:32:20.000 I know he's not.

00:32:21.000 Do you understand how good of a person I am?

00:32:23.000 Exactly.

00:32:23.000 Me?

00:32:24.000 Vote?

00:32:24.000 Him?

00:32:25.000 Whoa, hold on.

00:32:25.000 I'm one of the electors.

00:32:26.000 It's like they're being tainted by voting for him.

00:32:28.000 I'm elect.

00:32:29.000 He's not elect.

00:32:31.000 And they don't vocalize it, but my goodness, do they circle the wagons around it?

00:32:36.000 I have heard, I'm not going to say his name, but I have heard a very renowned pastor say in an interview, it was a podcast, where the interviewer, who's a national home-named guy, said to this pastor, What about we the people?

00:32:54.000 What about our First Amendment right?

00:32:56.000 And that pastor said, It was wrong for us to break with the crown of England.

00:33:02.000 Our rebellion against England was disobedience to God, and it never should have happened.

00:33:08.000 And that interviewer, who you know, you talked to him about an hour ago on the phone, he almost fell off his chair.

00:33:14.000 Well, I'm not Catholic because they overuse this term, but I'm going to use it. 0.94

00:33:17.000 That's heretical.

00:33:18.000 I mean, it is.

00:33:19.000 It is.

00:33:19.000 That's heresy.

00:33:20.000 It is.

00:33:21.000 To say that. 1.00

00:33:22.000 And the Jew that was doing the interview knew it. 0.94

00:33:25.000 He was, what? 0.99

00:33:26.000 Wow.

00:33:27.000 So we're living in a big mistake that we created out of rebellion.

00:33:30.000 I don't believe that.

00:33:32.000 I've read enough of the founding fathers' mail to see so much of what God was doing.

00:33:37.000 Well, and I also take Romans 13 in context.

00:33:41.000 It was before Nero's persecution of Christians in Rome.

00:33:44.000 And I also think that if we just study natural law, natural rights and natural law, which are two separate things, but very similar.

00:33:53.000 But the idea of natural rights came from natural law, and Aristotle was one of the pioneers.

00:33:58.000 But really, natural law is completely harmonic with the teachings of the Bible.

00:34:01.000 And so anything that you find evidentiary in the nature actually is completely consistent with how God commands us of nature and nature's gods.

00:34:09.000 Which was in the Declaration, right?

00:34:11.000 And so then I find, and you know, it's really interesting.

00:34:14.000 I got this long email from a guy that is incredibly smart.

00:34:17.000 He's actually probably too smart because he overthought, he's overthinking, right?

00:34:20.000 You know the type of person.

00:34:21.000 It's like, you're completely overthinking.

00:34:22.000 They become a legend in their own mind.

00:34:23.000 It's amazing.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, it's really, it's like, you are not Aquinas.

00:34:27.000 Like, let's just be very clear at all.

00:34:30.000 I'm not Renee Descartes.

00:34:30.000 Like, what?

00:34:32.000 Like, yes, that's correct.

00:34:32.000 You're not.

00:34:34.000 Sorry, I'm not either.

00:34:35.000 I don't pretend to be. 0.88

00:34:36.000 He says, well, I think that the American founding was, I think America and our founding has turned into idolatry when Christians get into nationalism. 0.90

00:34:44.000 And I say, well, this is my decision-making matrix. 0.97

00:34:47.000 The most important thing ever that you could do is commit your life to Jesus Christ.

00:34:51.000 Absolutely.

00:34:51.000 The next thing is to make sure you can do the first thing.

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:54.000 That's right.

00:34:54.000 Have more people been able to do that because of America?

00:34:56.000 Right.

00:34:57.000 Yes or no?

00:34:58.000 And to do that, you've got to have a nation's atmosphere free for you to preach the gospel.

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:04.000 And civil society spread like the gospel, which allowed the gospel to spread because of America.

00:35:09.000 Without civil society, there's no gospel.

00:35:10.000 But how about this?

00:35:11.000 See, people throw things out there like this.

00:35:14.000 Oh, you know what?

00:35:14.000 Yeah.

00:35:15.000 That's nationalism.

00:35:17.000 Well, you want to label it like that.

00:35:19.000 Well, it's patriotism.

00:35:20.000 It's patriotism on stairway. 0.86

00:35:22.000 What they're really trying to say is Djangoistic.

00:35:24.000 I find nothing wrong with loving your nation.

00:35:26.000 First of all, is it not found in the Bible that God says both in the book of Daniel and in the book of Acts that he has appointed the nations of the world and has established the inhabitants within those nations?

00:35:40.000 So, for example, from scripture, a Jew should be glad that he's a Jew and he should defend his Jewish state.

00:35:48.000 And so should a Saudi Arabian and so should a Canadian and so should a German.

00:35:53.000 Who says God has put that in your heart?

00:35:56.000 He has, in fact, the idea of nations, the Bible's replete with this because the Bible ultimately tells us in the end, before the judgment, he will gather together every kindred, tribe, tongue, and nation.

00:36:10.000 And Christ said, go make disciples of all nations.

00:36:13.000 And so it's a very good point.

00:36:16.000 And I think what we don't recognize, we don't teach our fellow Christians enough, and you do a great job of this, is the Declaration of Independence, which is our birth certificate, writing down to King George, who himself was a misrepresentation of the Church of England.

00:36:33.000 Yeah, what a great ruler, right?

00:36:34.000 Sure.

00:36:35.000 And by the way, the entire idea of the Anglican Church, I could get into that a different time, but let's just get into it.

00:36:40.000 But you had Protestant, freedom-seeking Christians who founded this country.

00:36:45.000 That's right.

00:36:46.000 My lineage goes back to 1620.

00:36:48.000 Alphonsus Kirk came to this country in 1620 as a Protestant-seeking freedom lover.

00:36:54.000 I can date my lineage all the way back to William Wallace and his clan, but that's a different conversation every time.

00:36:59.000 The point is, though, that the rebellion against tyranny is something that's literally in my blood.

00:37:06.000 And I think that, and again, some Christians disagree with this, but I actually think that God wants you to live in a state of liberty.

00:37:14.000 I really do think that.

00:37:15.000 It's very clear in scripture.

00:37:16.000 Can you talk about that?

00:37:17.000 Yeah, scripture tells Paul, Paul tells Timothy that we need to pray for all those who are in authority over us.

00:37:25.000 Listen for the reason.

00:37:26.000 Yeah, listen for the reason.

00:37:28.000 Listen as to why the reason.

00:37:29.000 We need to pray for all those who are in authority over us that we might live a quiet and peaceable life.

00:37:36.000 Doesn't that sound, doesn't that sound like taking a plunge into a refreshing pool right now with all the lunacy taking place in Portland and Seattle?

00:37:46.000 God wants us to live a quiet and peaceable life.

00:37:49.000 Wow.

00:37:50.000 Man.

00:37:51.000 That's awesome.

00:37:52.000 And so when you have a country that is founded on biblical principles that allows the gospel to spread like wildfire, hundreds of millions and billions of people coming to the gospel because of America.

00:38:03.000 That's true.

00:38:04.000 Civil society did not exist prior to America.

00:38:07.000 That's right.

00:38:07.000 It didn't.

00:38:08.000 The closest thing we had was a small couple examples of a couple hundred years of Israel where the law was the center and then they said, give us a king, it disintegrates.

00:38:17.000 Greece, which really got a lot wrong and eventually that disintegrates.

00:38:20.000 Rome, which went from a republic to an empire.

00:38:23.000 But America's example was so perfect because inspired by the Bible, executive, legislative, judicial.

00:38:30.000 Found in scripture, by the way.

00:38:31.000 Found in scripture.

00:38:32.000 Trinity is found in scripture.

00:38:34.000 Isaiah.

00:38:35.000 Very good.

00:38:37.000 Where God is the three things.

00:38:39.000 And it takes exactly where they're.

00:38:41.000 He's the lawgiver.

00:38:41.000 That's exactly right.

00:38:42.000 He's the judge. 0.81

00:38:44.000 And so you have this nation then founded by Christians.

00:38:48.000 And they say, well, Ben Franklin was a deist.

00:38:51.000 First of all, all of them recognized that there was a supernatural power.

00:38:55.000 Secondly, they all had their different sorts of blends and, let's just say, inclinations towards Christianity.

00:39:02.000 But the population was incredibly Christian.

00:39:04.000 I mean, there's no doubt.

00:39:06.000 You know, it's funny, Charlie, the people that want to use Franklin and Jefferson as being the most deist, Franklin and Jefferson have got some of, if not the greatest quotes as to why this nation should be quote Christian and why it was the Bible that they used.

00:39:25.000 You know, I don't know if people realize this, but Thomas Jefferson was tapped to study, as they all did, but Jefferson, especially, John Locke's two-volume set of government.

00:39:36.000 Yes.

00:39:37.000 And in that two-volume set, there's something like 1,400 references to Scripture.

00:39:41.000 Locke was a committed Christian, and he disagreed with Hume on this.

00:39:44.000 Hume was an atheist.

00:39:46.000 And Locke set human civilization forward a thousand years.

00:39:51.000 Absolutely.

00:39:51.000 Because he said, the Bible says very plainly, you're neither slave nor Greek nor Jew.

00:39:58.000 That means that you're made individually.

00:40:01.000 If you're made individually, Rene Descartes says, I think, therefore I am, enlightenment thinking.

00:40:06.000 The Bible's the word of God.

00:40:08.000 Why don't we have a civil government around these two things?

00:40:11.000 And that seems so ridiculously obvious, right?

00:40:13.000 Not only that, but it's in the Bible where you get private property, ownership.

00:40:18.000 Well, Abraham bought the land to be able to bury soon his son and the lineage behind it and his wife.

00:40:26.000 And think about that. 0.64

00:40:27.000 He's private ownership of anything.

00:40:27.000 He bought him.

00:40:28.000 But think about the Bible says, and look, clearly assumes ownership.

00:40:33.000 It says in the Old Testament, if your donkey goes and kicks some other person, okay, you're responsible for your donkey's actions.

00:40:40.000 Okay, and if somebody's cow walks into your land and it breaks its leg because you left a hole open in the ground, you're responsible to pay that guy back a double cow or whatever it is. 0.90

00:40:49.000 That's a great point.

00:40:50.000 Responsibility, ownership personally, it's clear through scripture.

00:40:53.000 It flies in the face.

00:40:54.000 The Bible flies in the face of this modern, bizarre putrefrication of socialism in the church.

00:41:02.000 Oh, no, no, the Bible is socialistic.

00:41:04.000 No, it's not.

00:41:06.000 Not even a stretch.

00:41:07.000 Well, and exactly right.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 And Marx was a committed deconstructionist.

00:41:13.000 And an angry, above-average, talented author at the right time who saw rapid industrialization of the European economy.

00:41:13.000 Absolutely.

00:41:20.000 And he was actually laughed out of his circle.

00:41:22.000 Yeah, he was a jealous, envious person who didn't believe in God.

00:41:22.000 He was so jealous.

00:41:26.000 And he actually wasn't taken seriously until a power-hungering autocrat by the name of Vladimir Lenin actually applied his horrendous ideas.

00:41:34.000 And only 60 million people died in that example.

00:41:38.000 And what's really interesting, and the more I have studied and have thought about this, and I can't wait to read, I love reading and learning about this stuff, but the more I realize that God gives us these laws not because he wants to be the fun police.

00:41:52.000 You know, that's kind of how it is portrayed sometimes.

00:41:54.000 But actually, if you apply the teachings, your life is going to actually get to become quiet and peaceful.

00:42:01.000 Right.

00:42:02.000 And he says so.

00:42:02.000 Peaceable.

00:42:03.000 I'm sorry.

00:42:03.000 He said, you'll live long.

00:42:06.000 You'll live blessed.

00:42:07.000 Look, I mean, I'm not a prosperity preaching person at all, but the Bible does say that if you put him first and seek him, that God will favor your life.

00:42:16.000 That doesn't mean you're going to get rich, but it means that your life's going to have the favor of a God.

00:42:20.000 I think it's very simple, right?

00:42:21.000 I mean, I tell this to young men all the time.

00:42:23.000 And they say, well, Charlie, you know, how am I supposed to act?

00:42:26.000 I say, well, you know, protect yourself and your innocence and don't go around sleeping around with everyone.

00:42:33.000 They say, well, everyone does that.

00:42:34.000 I say, well, you're going to be miserable.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:36.000 And they say, well, no, that's the fun thing.

00:42:37.000 I said, no, you're going to be miserable.

00:42:39.000 Boy, that's.

00:42:39.000 And so that's the, it's like, you actually do it.

00:42:42.000 You're actually going to be more content.

00:42:44.000 Yeah.

00:42:45.000 Because God loves you and wants you to be that way.

00:42:48.000 Exactly.

00:42:48.000 And the Bible talks about that very, very thing.

00:42:50.000 It is human desire without Christ governing our thoughts.

00:42:54.000 We are constantly tempted.

00:42:55.000 We get that.

00:42:56.000 It's human desire to go be with that other person.

00:42:59.000 But that's biology.

00:43:02.000 God says morally, hey, you know what?

00:43:04.000 It's really not good for you.

00:43:05.000 Because some people think he's up there like waiting for somebody to step out.

00:43:08.000 That's exactly right.

00:43:08.000 Like he's some sort of Elizabeth Warren librarian.

00:43:10.000 He's Elizabeth Warren.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, like he's like, stop doing that.

00:43:14.000 But he's actually saying, hey, guess what?

00:43:16.000 You know what?

00:43:16.000 I made fences in this whole thing called humanity.

00:43:19.000 And you really do well when you operate within these fences.

00:43:22.000 And emotionally, you won't be broken.

00:43:24.000 If you go sleep around, I want my liberty.

00:43:27.000 Are you sure it's liberty?

00:43:28.000 Because momentarily, it's a blast, but long lived, it's total bondage.

00:43:34.000 Total imprisonment.

00:43:35.000 At Harvard, they will remove this, guarantee it.

00:43:38.000 Just you've heard it here first.

00:43:40.000 There's something at the Harvard Law School.

00:43:41.000 It says, the laws are the wise restraints that keep men free.

00:43:47.000 I'll see, it's brilliant. 0.85

00:43:49.000 Yeah, of course.

00:43:50.000 I can't remember who they're quoting.

00:43:52.000 It's at Harvard.

00:43:53.000 I mean, you know, you mentioned Harvard, which is a soulless institution.

00:43:56.000 You know, I don't, do you remember where the main entrance is?

00:43:58.000 It's kind of humble.

00:44:00.000 It's kind of humble, but it was in the day it was the main entrance.

00:44:04.000 If you walk to the main gate before you pass through the gate, there's two, this beautiful brick on either side, and there's bushes.

00:44:10.000 I know exactly.

00:44:11.000 I've been there many times.

00:44:12.000 And if you go to the right, if you crawl through the right bush, the right hand.

00:44:16.000 Yes, I have.

00:44:17.000 You go through the bush.

00:44:19.000 Listen, everybody, try this.

00:44:20.000 Go to Harvard, go to the main gate, and go to the right and separate the bush and read the plaque that's on the wall.

00:44:28.000 It says that this college, it says this college has been planted on this day, such and such a blank blank, to the furtherance of the gospel, to the equipping of ministers to this continent.

00:44:41.000 Talk about mission creeping.

00:44:43.000 It has a mission statement at Harvard and it's covered by a bush.

00:44:46.000 In the logo of Harvard.

00:44:47.000 Do you know what the logo of Harvard is?

00:44:49.000 I would say a Bible, maybe let there be light, something like this.

00:44:52.000 It's close.

00:44:53.000 It's a Latin phrase, V-E-R-I-T-A-S.

00:44:58.000 You put that together, there, writ, OS, which means truth.

00:45:01.000 That's right.

00:45:01.000 How about this?

00:45:03.000 Who started Harvard University?

00:45:04.000 John Harvard, right?

00:45:05.000 What was his occupation?

00:45:07.000 I don't know.

00:45:07.000 A pastor!

00:45:08.000 I was going to say that, but I didn't want to swing and miss.

00:45:10.000 Ding, Every one of the Ideal League schools was founded as a separate type of seminary.

00:45:15.000 Princeton, Presbyterian.

00:45:16.000 One of the greatest thinkers America has ever produced, Jonathan Edwards.

00:45:21.000 I believe, I may be wrong, but I'm really close.

00:45:24.000 He was either the president of Yale or of Princeton.

00:45:27.000 You're right.

00:45:27.000 He had some form of leadership role in the Northeast there.

00:45:31.000 We're going to talk about this, and that's why everyone has to continue to be subscribed to the Charlie Kirk show because we're going to get into this.

00:45:36.000 I really want to build out this idea that America is built on slavery.

00:45:38.000 It's one of the most nonsensical things. 0.98

00:45:41.000 But as we're kind of winding down our time here, Jack, speak to Christians right now directly that are confused and looking for clarity. 0.99

00:45:49.000 And it's a very important word, clarity.

00:45:51.000 I think we as Christians have to be, we have to get our words right better.

00:45:54.000 And you do a great job of this.

00:45:55.000 But Christ gives you clarity because Christ is truth.

00:45:58.000 Think about how fulfilling you are.

00:46:00.000 And I use this example all the time.

00:46:02.000 You're on a road trip and you say, you got to go from your Belinda to Phoenix, no map, no markings.

00:46:09.000 You're going to get lost.

00:46:09.000 You're confused, right?

00:46:11.000 But as soon as you have a GPS, you have clarity.

00:46:13.000 You have faith in your future destination, right?

00:46:16.000 That can be applied towards renewing yourself in Christ because there's no truth in not knowing where you're going.

00:46:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:46:22.000 And I think that Christ gives you such clarity to how to act, what to do, where you're going, what happens when you die, why we're here.

00:46:31.000 That's right.

00:46:33.000 How to vote.

00:46:34.000 That's right.

00:46:34.000 All this.

00:46:35.000 Can you kind of build all that out?

00:46:36.000 Yeah, listen.

00:46:37.000 Jesus said, the scripture says, first of all, that we should shine our light, which means that we are to take truth, light synonymous with truth and revelation.

00:46:46.000 So Jesus says to the Christians, go and shine your light.

00:46:50.000 So we're to do that. 0.87

00:46:51.000 So to the Christians that are listening right now, I sarcastically lay this out before you.

00:46:56.000 Where did Jesus say not to shine your light? 0.89

00:46:59.000 Well, I don't vote.

00:47:00.000 Well, you need to repent and start voting for this reason, because you sit in a nation that was given to you by the blood, sweat, and tears, and more blood of those who have fought for your freedoms.

00:47:13.000 We have been heirs of this amazing experiment.

00:47:17.000 We just celebrated 244 years of an amazing miracle, longest nation to exist in the history of man with one, the same governing document.

00:47:27.000 It's a gift.

00:47:28.000 That's exactly right.

00:47:28.000 And America is the gift to the world.

00:47:30.000 And what we need to do is we need to protect it.

00:47:32.000 And you can see what happens when we don't protect it.

00:47:36.000 We see the lawlessness and the craziness in our streets.

00:47:39.000 We need to take what God has given us.

00:47:43.000 We all have different theaters of influence, but we all have one.

00:47:47.000 And we need to do the right thing.

00:47:49.000 It's called righteousness, by the way.

00:47:50.000 Christians are mandated to do the right thing.

00:47:53.000 That means you must vote for the pro-life individual.

00:47:57.000 You must speak up in your community for what's right.

00:48:00.000 You must... hold the PTA and the school board accountable.

00:48:04.000 You must get involved.

00:48:05.000 And stop being distracted and stop letting the cultural breeze move you like a reed blowing left or right.

00:48:15.000 You've got to find how this ends.

00:48:18.000 And if it terminates, as God says, where we all will give an account for how we've lived our lives and what we did with our life for the better, that's the GPS.

00:48:29.000 We know where we started.

00:48:31.000 Exactly.

00:48:31.000 And we know now the Christian who reads the Bible knows the clarity.

00:48:34.000 They know where they're going to land.

00:48:36.000 And listen, someday, here's what's cool.

00:48:38.000 I may fight the state on an issue that's horrific and I lose.

00:48:45.000 You know what?

00:48:45.000 I stood for what's right.

00:48:47.000 In the end, I'm going to win because I stood for the thing that honored God.

00:48:50.000 But you lost.

00:48:51.000 No, I didn't.

00:48:52.000 I lost the battle.

00:48:53.000 In the end, the Bible says I win the war.

00:48:55.000 There's a terminus that is dead serious, and that's what I'm set on.

00:48:59.000 Two thoughts.

00:48:59.000 The persecution of American Christians is real, but the celebrity pastors, they don't even understand slightly what the early Christians had to go through, what the Middle Eastern Christians have to live through.

00:49:14.000 And so here's my decision-making matrix.

00:49:17.000 I try to think of things very logically. 0.91

00:49:19.000 And this is why I break it down with a Christian. 0.99

00:49:20.000 They say, well, I don't like to vote. 0.98

00:49:22.000 I don't like any of these people.

00:49:23.000 And blah, blah, blah.

00:49:24.000 I'm a Christian.

00:49:24.000 It's most important.

00:49:25.000 I say, okay, fine.

00:49:26.000 I say, do you think God cares about what you do?

00:49:31.000 They say, oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:49:33.000 Okay, God.

00:49:34.000 Good.

00:49:35.000 Is voting something you do?

00:49:38.000 Yes.

00:49:39.000 So does God care about how or if you vote?

00:49:43.000 I never thought of it.

00:49:44.000 Exactly.

00:49:45.000 They've never thought. 0.83

00:49:47.000 So God cares for, for example, would you go marry two people? 0.95

00:49:52.000 No, I wouldn't go be polygamous. 0.98

00:49:54.000 I would never do that. 0.98

00:49:54.000 That's against the teaching. 0.98

00:49:56.000 I agree.

00:49:56.000 Good for you.

00:49:58.000 Would you go and tell and pay someone to go have an abortion? 1.00

00:50:02.000 I would never go do that. 0.99

00:50:04.000 Okay.

00:50:05.000 Those are actions, right?

00:50:07.000 And you have guardrails like, I will not go do that.

00:50:10.000 That's right.

00:50:10.000 That's an action.

00:50:11.000 God doesn't want me to do that for many reasons.

00:50:14.000 First, I'll tell you moral, also.

00:50:15.000 It'll harm you, it'll harm the world, all these sorts of things.

00:50:17.000 Then explain to me very clearly why a mechanism that exists in our country, you refuse to engage in.

00:50:26.000 That is something that you do.

00:50:28.000 They say, well, I don't do it.

00:50:29.000 That means you're still doing something.

00:50:31.000 That's right.

00:50:32.000 The not doing is an act.

00:50:34.000 That's right.

00:50:35.000 Absolutely.

00:50:36.000 It's like saying, well, I didn't stand up.

00:50:37.000 You're right.

00:50:37.000 You sat.

00:50:38.000 That's right.

00:50:39.000 You still did something.

00:50:41.000 That's right.

00:50:41.000 And so that's how I come about the enactment.

00:50:44.000 Charlie, have you ever been to Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, the Holocaust Museum?

00:50:48.000 No, I've been outside of it.

00:50:50.000 I haven't been inside of it.

00:50:52.000 I've been in Jerusalem a couple times.

00:50:53.000 There's a famous statement there.

00:50:54.000 I think it's by Martin Niemiller, but I'm not sure.

00:50:57.000 It could be by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

00:51:01.000 It's one or the other.

00:51:02.000 There's a statement there, and I'm going to botch it a little bit, but I'm close.

00:51:05.000 It says, when they came for the unionist, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a unionist.

00:51:11.000 When they came for the homosexual, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a homosexual. 0.68

00:51:15.000 When they came for the Jew, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. 0.58

00:51:18.000 And then when they came for me, there was nobody who would speak up for me.

00:51:24.000 And this thing about silence and not being engaged, I'm sorry.

00:51:28.000 I know we hear our dear president talk about the silent majority.

00:51:33.000 Charlie, I hope they're out there, but if they're really out there, can they stop being silent?

00:51:38.000 Amen.

00:51:38.000 We need them to speak up.

00:51:40.000 This is to be continued.

00:51:41.000 So what's your YouTube channel?

00:51:43.000 I don't know.

00:51:45.000 Real Life with Jack Hibbs.

00:51:46.000 It's Real Life with Jack Hibbs.

00:51:47.000 Check it out.

00:51:47.000 And then you also have a podcast.

00:51:49.000 Subscribe.

00:51:50.000 All of that.

00:51:50.000 Email me questions for jackfriedematcharlikirk.com.

00:51:54.000 Jack, this has been awesome.

00:51:55.000 Love you, man.

00:51:56.000 Thanks.

00:51:57.000 Incredible.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 02, 2020

Open the Church! In Depth with Jack Hibbs

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