00:00:29.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:41.000Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with my dear friend, one of the few fighters in the country for Christ, for truth, liberty, and our country, Jack Hibbs.
00:01:25.000We probably had 14,000 total last Sunday.
00:01:28.000And so the edict in California, you're in Chino Hills, California, is that you should stay closed, that you have to shut down.
00:01:38.000You have decided to open, and you're one of the very few that have made this decision.
00:01:43.000What has the response been amongst, first and foremost, and most importantly, the people that attend every Sunday?
00:01:49.000The people that attend every Sunday are literally walking into the building, smiles huge, tears flowing down their face, the need to worship, gather together again, quite frankly, shocked me.
00:02:04.000It shouldn't have shocked me, but they're overwhelmed.
00:02:07.000I mean, jaw-dropping thankfulness to God, which is translated in their attentiveness to the message, the volume and participation of their singing and worship.
00:02:17.00030 years of ministry, never seen it like this before, Charlie.
00:02:21.000So, but you also offer social distancing in the courtyard?
00:02:24.000You can do anything here, whatever is your flavor.
00:02:27.000We have social distancing in the courtyard, social distancing out on the grass.
00:02:39.000They can watch and listen inside of their car in the parking lot.
00:02:43.000We stream FM frequency to the parking lot in their vehicles, or they can just do normal, which is full-blown.
00:02:52.000And that's we give them everything that can possibly be experienced.
00:02:57.000Jumbotron screen outdoors if they want that.
00:03:00.000Yet we're still in violation of Governor Newsom's edicts, you know, and there's like our attorneys told us, there's no way you can please him.
00:05:17.000So when I talk about you and Pastor Rob McCoy, some of the weak Christian pastors, and I can be more critical than you can towards these pastors just because I'm not completely in that community, but some of these weak Christian pastors, they say, but Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy, they make an idol out of politics, and it's a political first church.
00:07:20.000What in the world are we doing when we shut down a living, breathing organism that brings stability, comfort, and frankly, logic to the illogic of what we're living through right now?
00:07:33.000But listen, our governor absolutely sees it different.
00:07:35.000And many other governors agree at that.
00:08:28.000Just kicked the can down the road when the church was asking, what about us?
00:08:32.000So what we did, listen, we obeyed the law, but when it became evident to us that we had a governor that was going to keep the church, and he's going to still keep the churches that are closed, Charlie, he's going to keep those churches closed until some advantage comes his way.
00:11:49.000It is inexcusable to then say we are going to then centrally plan human behavior by shutting the doors to the one place where moral order is actually given.
00:11:59.000So there might be someone that walks into your church that does something.
00:12:03.000They might walk into the non-socially distanced area, and maybe they shouldn't be doing that.
00:12:09.000That's going to be a price that they're going to have to pay.
00:12:17.000But in some ways, you have to be able to say part of liberty is responsibility.
00:12:22.000Charlie, we're at a moment right now in our nation's experiment where there's a whole generation that thinks that they're doing the more, the more republic thing, the more responsible thing, the more Christian thing by staying sequestered and staying wrapped and staying out of life.
00:12:41.000But the truth is, and you said it, you know what?
00:13:21.000I said, there's a direct connection between social unrest and churches being closed.
00:13:25.000And if people are not going to churches, and we believe that communion is a sacrament, and we do believe that you should be able to take the blood and body of Jesus Christ, but even beyond that, if you remove the celebration of the risen Christ, if you remove Easter and Palm Sunday, and all of a sudden, five weeks later, you have complete and total turmoil.
00:14:20.000Six weeks earlier, we decided the most important day on the Christian calendar doesn't matter.
00:14:24.000And all the ripple effects, right, where they go back to their community and say, hey, guys, I'm a new person because I'm born new in Jesus Christ.
00:14:41.000And the numbers and the hits and the views.
00:14:43.000I think there is something irreplaceable to going into a physical place around the person next to you who's crying and they're having their own experience.
00:14:49.000All of a sudden, there's that ecclesia of the gathering of the world.
00:18:09.000Yeah, and so then it's, but then I ask myself the question, what you're basically saying is you're pricing yourself out of existence.
00:18:16.000I mean, and they're basically making the argument that a live stream is equivalent.
00:18:21.000And I'm a big believer in the person that comes to church and they see a friend and all of a sudden they have a common moral connection and they might need a loan or they might need a job or their kid might need a ride to the airport.
00:19:27.000It might even be better that you stay at home and watch it.
00:19:30.000The weird thing about church, for those who have experienced church, and this is why church will never be replaced, you can create the greatest technologies in the world.
00:20:49.000You have people that de-emphasize the moral order and the moral good.
00:20:52.000And that's why I say ahead of the election, we ought to get every church open.
00:20:56.000And I wish every church spoke about moral issues like you do.
00:20:59.000And I want to get into that in a second.
00:21:01.000But even if they don't, even if they are reciting the Lord's Prayer, even if they are looking at the symbology of the cross, I'm a big believer that most of our decisions are actually made not consciously, especially for most people that don't actually do analytical thinking and human psychology.
00:21:17.000Where most people that, even if you're attending a church, I think you're far less likely, far less likely to indulge in these humanistic nihilistic because all of a sudden they say, well, there's something great.
00:23:59.000When you see Democrats come to church and change their party affiliation in the courtyard in voter registration, we've never seen that before.
00:24:08.000When you have people saying, we've gone too far, I had a chance to tell President Trump in the Roosevelt room, President Trump, please come and campaign in California.
00:24:18.000And he said, California, it's corrupt.
00:26:05.000But if you actually look at the songs and the movies that we enjoyed in the 70s and 80s, especially, it was so glamorizing California and for good reason.
00:26:13.000It was a place that you could pick yourself up and the weather is great, but you could go create something.
00:26:17.000You could be somebody like Steve Jobs.
00:26:20.000You could actually make a company called Apple.
00:27:06.000I've taken a bunch of pastors down to the border and took a tour, and they showed us where all the drug trafficking and all the human trafficking had to stop because they shut down with the wall, the fence, and they made it so much more difficult for these horrible human beings to traffic these drugs and humans across the border.
00:27:26.000Ask border agents down there what they think about Trump's policy.
00:27:30.000So pro-life, number one, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump in this election because he's pro-life.
00:27:34.000The Bible, my God, makes it clear I need to speak up for those who have no voice, those who are destined to be destroyed.
00:30:11.000As a pastor, I'm supposed to blow the trumpet on the wall to educate the community, the church, and beyond.
00:30:17.000So it's not about being relevant, Charlie.
00:30:20.000I always tell people, Christians in particular, and we're going to dive into this tonight, which is that you have to understand you're electing a government, not a king.
00:30:29.000And so the person that you are voting for actually is the figurehead of a movement and even a deeper philosophy.
00:30:36.000So instead of Donald Trump versus Biden, it really should be reason versus arson of America.
00:31:42.000No, but I mean, I say this for a reason, though, and I, because I grew up in a lot of Calvinist circles, and there is a self-righteousness that sets in in certain Calvinist circles.
00:31:58.000I'm kind of confused, like honestly, and I just read about it, and I think that's okay.
00:32:01.000Because I get the big things, I think.
00:32:03.000But I do think that the committed Calvinists, the people that literally go to Calvin College, there's a virtue signaling self-righteousness.
00:32:31.000And they don't vocalize it, but my goodness, do they circle the wagons around it?
00:32:36.000I have heard, I'm not going to say his name, but I have heard a very renowned pastor say in an interview, it was a podcast, where the interviewer, who's a national home-named guy, said to this pastor, What about we the people?
00:33:32.000I've read enough of the founding fathers' mail to see so much of what God was doing.
00:33:37.000Well, and I also take Romans 13 in context.
00:33:41.000It was before Nero's persecution of Christians in Rome.
00:33:44.000And I also think that if we just study natural law, natural rights and natural law, which are two separate things, but very similar.
00:33:53.000But the idea of natural rights came from natural law, and Aristotle was one of the pioneers.
00:33:58.000But really, natural law is completely harmonic with the teachings of the Bible.
00:34:01.000And so anything that you find evidentiary in the nature actually is completely consistent with how God commands us of nature and nature's gods.
00:34:36.000He says, well, I think that the American founding was, I think America and our founding has turned into idolatry when Christians get into nationalism.
00:34:44.000And I say, well, this is my decision-making matrix.
00:34:47.000The most important thing ever that you could do is commit your life to Jesus Christ.
00:35:22.000What they're really trying to say is Djangoistic.
00:35:24.000I find nothing wrong with loving your nation.
00:35:26.000First of all, is it not found in the Bible that God says both in the book of Daniel and in the book of Acts that he has appointed the nations of the world and has established the inhabitants within those nations?
00:35:40.000So, for example, from scripture, a Jew should be glad that he's a Jew and he should defend his Jewish state.
00:35:48.000And so should a Saudi Arabian and so should a Canadian and so should a German.
00:35:53.000Who says God has put that in your heart?
00:35:56.000He has, in fact, the idea of nations, the Bible's replete with this because the Bible ultimately tells us in the end, before the judgment, he will gather together every kindred, tribe, tongue, and nation.
00:36:10.000And Christ said, go make disciples of all nations.
00:36:16.000And I think what we don't recognize, we don't teach our fellow Christians enough, and you do a great job of this, is the Declaration of Independence, which is our birth certificate, writing down to King George, who himself was a misrepresentation of the Church of England.
00:37:29.000We need to pray for all those who are in authority over us that we might live a quiet and peaceable life.
00:37:36.000Doesn't that sound, doesn't that sound like taking a plunge into a refreshing pool right now with all the lunacy taking place in Portland and Seattle?
00:37:46.000God wants us to live a quiet and peaceable life.
00:37:52.000And so when you have a country that is founded on biblical principles that allows the gospel to spread like wildfire, hundreds of millions and billions of people coming to the gospel because of America.
00:38:08.000The closest thing we had was a small couple examples of a couple hundred years of Israel where the law was the center and then they said, give us a king, it disintegrates.
00:38:17.000Greece, which really got a lot wrong and eventually that disintegrates.
00:38:20.000Rome, which went from a republic to an empire.
00:38:23.000But America's example was so perfect because inspired by the Bible, executive, legislative, judicial.
00:39:06.000You know, it's funny, Charlie, the people that want to use Franklin and Jefferson as being the most deist, Franklin and Jefferson have got some of, if not the greatest quotes as to why this nation should be quote Christian and why it was the Bible that they used.
00:39:25.000You know, I don't know if people realize this, but Thomas Jefferson was tapped to study, as they all did, but Jefferson, especially, John Locke's two-volume set of government.
00:40:28.000But think about the Bible says, and look, clearly assumes ownership.
00:40:33.000It says in the Old Testament, if your donkey goes and kicks some other person, okay, you're responsible for your donkey's actions.
00:40:40.000Okay, and if somebody's cow walks into your land and it breaks its leg because you left a hole open in the ground, you're responsible to pay that guy back a double cow or whatever it is.
00:41:26.000And he actually wasn't taken seriously until a power-hungering autocrat by the name of Vladimir Lenin actually applied his horrendous ideas.
00:41:34.000And only 60 million people died in that example.
00:41:38.000And what's really interesting, and the more I have studied and have thought about this, and I can't wait to read, I love reading and learning about this stuff, but the more I realize that God gives us these laws not because he wants to be the fun police.
00:41:52.000You know, that's kind of how it is portrayed sometimes.
00:41:54.000But actually, if you apply the teachings, your life is going to actually get to become quiet and peaceful.
00:42:07.000Look, I mean, I'm not a prosperity preaching person at all, but the Bible does say that if you put him first and seek him, that God will favor your life.
00:42:16.000That doesn't mean you're going to get rich, but it means that your life's going to have the favor of a God.
00:44:20.000Go to Harvard, go to the main gate, and go to the right and separate the bush and read the plaque that's on the wall.
00:44:28.000It says that this college, it says this college has been planted on this day, such and such a blank blank, to the furtherance of the gospel, to the equipping of ministers to this continent.
00:45:27.000He had some form of leadership role in the Northeast there.
00:45:31.000We're going to talk about this, and that's why everyone has to continue to be subscribed to the Charlie Kirk show because we're going to get into this.
00:45:36.000I really want to build out this idea that America is built on slavery.
00:45:38.000It's one of the most nonsensical things.
00:45:41.000But as we're kind of winding down our time here, Jack, speak to Christians right now directly that are confused and looking for clarity.
00:45:49.000And it's a very important word, clarity.
00:45:51.000I think we as Christians have to be, we have to get our words right better.
00:46:37.000Jesus said, the scripture says, first of all, that we should shine our light, which means that we are to take truth, light synonymous with truth and revelation.
00:46:46.000So Jesus says to the Christians, go and shine your light.
00:47:00.000Well, you need to repent and start voting for this reason, because you sit in a nation that was given to you by the blood, sweat, and tears, and more blood of those who have fought for your freedoms.
00:47:13.000We have been heirs of this amazing experiment.
00:47:17.000We just celebrated 244 years of an amazing miracle, longest nation to exist in the history of man with one, the same governing document.
00:48:18.000And if it terminates, as God says, where we all will give an account for how we've lived our lives and what we did with our life for the better, that's the GPS.
00:48:59.000The persecution of American Christians is real, but the celebrity pastors, they don't even understand slightly what the early Christians had to go through, what the Middle Eastern Christians have to live through.
00:49:14.000And so here's my decision-making matrix.
00:49:17.000I try to think of things very logically.
00:49:19.000And this is why I break it down with a Christian.