The Charlie Kirk Show - Operation Epic Fury

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, March 2nd, 2026.

00:01:13.000 We are on day three of the strikes against Iran, Operation Epic Fury. 0.74

00:01:19.000 Welcome, Blake.

00:01:20.000 Howdy.

00:01:21.000 We had an eventful weekend.

00:01:23.000 Yes, eventful weekend.

00:01:23.000 To say the least.

00:01:25.000 We came in, we did an emergency special live stream on Saturday.

00:01:31.000 Tens and tens of thousands of people saw that.

00:01:33.000 So thank you guys for supporting the show.

00:01:35.000 We did our best to honor Charlie, what Charlie would say in these situations.

00:01:39.000 We obviously don't know exactly because he's not with us, but we have some good indications because we walked alongside Charlie in the summer strikes, Operation Midnight Hammer.

00:01:52.000 We saw how he deliberated through those very tough decisions, those very tough backroom calls, those private conversations, and then what he would say publicly.

00:02:01.000 And so I think we did a good job of that, got a lot of great feedback.

00:02:04.000 And, you know, here's the bottom line: we don't know how this is going to turn out.

00:02:09.000 We don't know what's going to happen in the coming days, weeks, months ahead.

00:02:13.000 We don't know if this is going to ultimately be a success or if history will judge this to be a failure.

00:02:18.000 But I will say that, again, the U.S. military's incredible, I just would say, precision, their lethality has been on full display.

00:02:31.000 President Trump is saying they are ahead of schedule, especially when it comes to targeting the leadership of the IRGC.

00:02:38.000 The Ayatollah is dead, of course.

00:02:40.000 That was something we were not aware of when we concluded our stream on Saturday.

00:02:45.000 But Khomeini has been killed along with 40.

00:02:49.000 Yeah, along with 49 other members of the leadership structure within Iran.

00:02:57.000 President Trump even said, Where this was misinterpreted by some people, where he was saying they had a list of likely candidates to succeed Khamenei, and it appears that their strikes have been so successful, they don't know who an obvious successor is at this point.

00:03:12.000 I say misinterpreted because some people thought we killed our own candidates to replace them.

00:03:16.000 No, it appears we're just talking about the hostile leadership.

00:03:19.000 We knew there was suspicion of who would be selected if the Supreme Leader was killed.

00:03:25.000 By the way, there was another Supreme Leader briefly installed for 22 hours.

00:03:29.000 He too is dead.

00:03:30.000 Don't even know his name.

00:03:31.000 I don't think we need to.

00:03:32.000 But the point is, the ultimate secession plan remains pretty unclear at this point.

00:03:39.000 It seems to be there was an indication from President Trump where he was saying, we'll see who they choose.

00:03:45.000 Meaning, it does seem that this is not a regime change war.

00:03:49.000 I understand that can feel like a distinction without a difference, right?

00:03:55.000 Because, yeah, the regime is going to change.

00:03:57.000 These are targeted airstrikes to take out the leadership and allow the people of Iran to choose the next leader.

00:04:04.000 So we don't know how that's going to play out.

00:04:06.000 We're very reticent around here about regime change wars.

00:04:10.000 We're very reticent about going into a country as large and as strong as Iran, and the unintended consequences are sure to be extreme. 1.00

00:04:22.000 We don't know how this is going to ultimately play out.

00:04:25.000 And they can't say that enough.

00:04:26.000 Charlie was very concerned about regime change wars, was very reticent about using kinetic force in this region.

00:04:32.000 But at the end of the day, Charlie over and over and over again said, This is why I elected President Trump.

00:04:38.000 This is why I fought so hard for the that's really what it is.

00:04:40.000 Is there would be two competing impulses with Charlie.

00:04:43.000 And the reason we cite him, a big reason we continue this show, a big reason it still has his name on there, is people looked to Charlie as a leader, as a leader in the movement, as a person who had wise perspectives, as a person who wasn't under the control of anyone else.

00:04:59.000 And so he could be frank, he could be honest about things.

00:05:01.000 And so we're trying to maintain that voice to the best we can so that people, because that's what people are looking towards.

00:05:08.000 And what I can say, and I think you agree, is Charlie would have two competing impulses.

00:05:16.000 One is he was a millennial.

00:05:18.000 He was a part of that generation, very shaped by Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:05:23.000 Two wars that looked very easy at the start, but went on a lot longer than people thought, were more expensive than people thought they would be, and ended in ultimately either failure or at best mixed results in the case of Iraq.

00:05:41.000 And that would have shaped his attitude towards this.

00:05:44.000 You can say, we agree.

00:05:46.000 He repeatedly said he thought regime change in Iran was a bad idea.

00:05:50.000 The competing impulse there is he was a supporter of President Trump and President Trump's judgment in international affairs, and he was also an American patriot.

00:05:59.000 And so this war having started, his take would similarly be I was very hesitant for this, but I also do trust the president's judgment that he must have good reasons for this and that he would have a plan to keep this from extending endlessly and escalating out of control.

00:06:17.000 Well, and to your point, you mentioned Iraq.

00:06:19.000 Secretary of War Pete Hegseth addressed this very dynamic in his press conference this morning with General Kaine, 301.

00:06:27.000 To the media outlets and political left screaming endless wars, stop.

00:06:32.000 This is not Iraq. 0.87

00:06:34.000 This is not endless.

00:06:35.000 I was there for both.

00:06:38.000 Our generation knows better, and so does this president.

00:06:42.000 He called the last 20 years of nation-building wars dumb, and he's right. 0.95

00:06:47.000 This is the opposite.

00:06:50.000 This operation is a clear, devastating, decisive mission.

00:06:54.000 Destroy the missile threat, destroy the Navy, no nukes.

00:06:58.000 So he's getting to the strategic missional objectives here.

00:07:02.000 He continues on 302.

00:07:04.000 He says, this is our why, 302.

00:07:07.000 Iran's stubborn and self-evident nuclear pursuits, their targeting of global shipping lanes, and their swelling arsenal of ballistic missiles and killer drones were no longer, are no longer tolerable risks.

00:07:20.000 Iran was building powerful missiles and drones to create a conventional shield for their nuclear blackmail ambitions.

00:07:29.000 Our bases, our people, our allies, all in their crosshairs.

00:07:33.000 Iran had a conventional gun to our head as they tried to lie their way to a nuclear bomb. 0.99

00:07:40.000 It almost worked under Obama and his terrible deal, but not under this president.

00:07:47.000 Turns out the regime who chanted death to America and death to Israel was gifted death from America and death from Israel.

00:07:58.000 A lot of headlines about that final line basically, you know, and it's right, it was a bit of a mic drop moment because, you know, they've been chanting death to America, death to Israel for a long time.

00:08:09.000 Turns out that the supreme leader met his end, his demise, at the hands of CIA intelligence, and an Israeli strike.

00:08:19.000 So the full circle moment for the Ayatollah, certainly.

00:08:24.000 But let's just wrap up this segment.

00:08:26.000 We've got so much more to get to by saying that President Trump is now on the record saying that the big wave has not even commenced yet, which is something else.

00:08:35.000 This is Jake Tapper, who he talked to 334.

00:08:39.000 I asked the president if the U.S. was doing more than these military strikes to help the Iranian people regain control of Iran against the regime, to seize the country from the Iranian regime.

00:08:51.000 And he said, yes, the president said, yes, we are indeed.

00:08:55.000 But right now, we want everyone staying inside.

00:08:57.000 It's not safe out there.

00:08:59.000 And then the president said it's about to get even less safe.

00:09:03.000 He said, quote, we haven't even started hitting them hard.

00:09:06.000 The big wave hasn't even happened.

00:09:08.000 The big one is coming soon.

00:09:12.000 Ominous warning from the president.

00:09:14.000 The big one has not even happened yet.

00:09:17.000 It's coming soon.

00:09:18.000 So take that as you will.

00:09:20.000 There is a lot of speculation.

00:09:22.000 I do want to just get to one of these.

00:09:24.000 I'll never forget this clip, Blake.

00:09:26.000 It was at the height of the base kind of having this public conflict about Operation Midnight Hammer.

00:09:35.000 It was about to commence, I believe.

00:09:38.000 And Charlie went on, Jesse Waters, in sort of an impossible situation.

00:09:42.000 And I just felt like he just nailed this moment.

00:09:46.000 And I want to play it because I remember it well.

00:09:48.000 309.

00:09:49.000 President Trump understands his base extraordinarily well.

00:09:53.000 He knows that his base does not want another Iraq. 1.00

00:09:55.000 He does not want Libya, does not want a civil war or bedlam where the United States is left carrying the bag. 0.84

00:10:02.000 But also, President Trump has been morally clear for a decade: Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.

00:10:07.000 And President Trump has the talent, the expertise to be able to thread that needle.

00:10:12.000 The generation that I represent, Jesse, the under-30 crowd, they absolutely are very war-weary.

00:10:18.000 Many of them voted for President Trump on college campuses because they did not want to see a Joe Biden or George Bush philosophy where we get into this endless conflict where we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:10:29.000 I think President Trump will be able to balance those two things while defending our allies, saying that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon without having to deploy a single American troop or even having America involved from the sky.

00:10:41.000 President Trump can get that deal done while fulfilling the mandate that the voters gave him.

00:10:46.000 Pretty impossible interview.

00:10:48.000 I remember that night going, you know, Charlie Winneg goes, well, say a prayer.

00:10:52.000 Wish me luck.

00:10:54.000 And I thought he did a tremendous job.

00:10:56.000 But, you know, he made a point about how consistent President Trump has been when it comes to Iran.

00:11:00.000 And we found this clip from 1980 of President Trump just talking about his posture about Iran in 1980.

00:11:07.000 And remember, you go back to 1979.

00:11:09.000 This is the hostage, the Iranian hostage crisis.

00:11:12.000 And I think Trump was just sort of offended that we let this happen.

00:11:16.000 328.

00:11:18.000 When you get the respect of the other countries, then the other countries tend to do a little bit as you do, and you can create the right attitudes.

00:11:26.000 The Iranian situation is a case in point. 0.95

00:11:29.000 That they hold our hostages is just absolutely and totally ridiculous. 0.87

00:11:36.000 That this country sits back and allows a country such as Iran to hold our hostages to my way of thinking is a horror. 1.00

00:11:45.000 You're advocating that we should have gone in there with troops, etc., and brought our boys out.

00:11:49.000 I absolutely feel that, yes.

00:11:51.000 I don't think there's any question and there's no question in my mind.

00:11:54.000 I think right now we'd be an oil-rich nation, and I believe that we should have done it, and I'm very disappointed that we didn't do it.

00:12:02.000 And I don't think anybody would have held us in abeyance.

00:12:05.000 I don't think anybody would have been angry with us.

00:12:08.000 And we had every right to do it at the time.

00:12:11.000 Held us in abeyance.

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 He's got the best words.

00:12:14.000 He's got a good vocabulary.

00:12:15.000 He's got the best words.

00:12:16.000 Don't ever forget.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, so this is a very young Trump basically sounding the exact same way.

00:12:22.000 And he has been consistent.

00:12:23.000 And I think, you know, Charlie made this point that, you know, you've got the hyper-interventional or anti-interventionist and you've got the war hawks.

00:12:32.000 And these are our sort of two extremes.

00:12:34.000 Well, President Trump tends to defy both.

00:12:37.000 And that tends to be the truth with President Trump.

00:12:40.000 He does find a third way.

00:12:42.000 And again, anybody that tells you that they know how this is going to work out is completely full of it.

00:12:49.000 A lot of people are, we'll be frank, a lot of people are smug at this point.

00:12:52.000 They've acted like the war is already over because the Ayatollah is dead.

00:12:56.000 It's not, period.

00:12:57.000 There are, Iran has responded to this by basically lobbying missiles at seven different Arab countries almost at random.

00:13:04.000 It seems their goal is to demoralize, break apart, you know, create a lot of pressure for peace because people start dying.

00:13:11.000 Well, their hope is that they'll just blame the U.S. for all of that or Israel for all of that. 0.54

00:13:16.000 And actually, so far, we've seen a little bit of the opposite effect, right?

00:13:19.000 Where you saw Saudi Arabia is now going to participate in some of these actions because they got missiles dropped on them.

00:13:27.000 And, you know, listen, we've lost four U.S. troops.

00:13:30.000 We have to pray that our U.S. troops would remain safe and that we have a minimal, minimal loss of casualty.

00:13:36.000 But President Trump has already indicated that we'll probably lose more.

00:13:39.000 That's horrifying.

00:13:41.000 It's unfortunate and it's horrifying.

00:13:43.000 But he is also right in saying that this is what happens when there is armed conflict between militaries.

00:13:50.000 And so, yeah, listen, I think all these things are important to hold all at the same time.

00:13:57.000 You know, we pray for success, but we also understand that we don't know all the details.

00:14:03.000 I warned repeatedly on Saturday, for those of you who saw our Saturday stream, I warned repeatedly that I made numerous calls ahead of our stream trying to gather as much intel as I could.

00:14:13.000 And there was this repeat theme from multiple people that there was a very real concern that Iran was like a dog backed into a corner, a rabbit dog, and that you could hold two things To be true at the same time, that, yes, the strikes against Fordo were successful.

00:14:32.000 Yes, the regime was weaker than ever, but yes, they could be more dangerous than ever.

00:14:37.000 Why?

00:14:37.000 Because they were pursuing hypersonics from China.

00:14:40.000 Those are carrier sinkers, right?

00:14:42.000 Those will sink one of our carriers in the region, 5,000 people on board of those.

00:14:47.000 And they were working on dirty bombs, right?

00:14:50.000 Whether they were collecting materials from the Fordo sites or whatever that had been struck, or if they were just getting it on the black market.

00:14:58.000 And they were working on their ballistic missile stockpiles really, really quickly.

00:15:03.000 They were escalating really, really quickly.

00:15:06.000 And so the reported numbers that you saw, how many ballistic missiles they had, were probably an underestimation.

00:15:11.000 I think they had far more, and I think we're sort of seeing that indication now.

00:15:15.000 They were a dog backed into a corner and they were going to bite.

00:15:18.000 And so President Trump made the decision to hit them before they were ready to hit us.

00:15:23.000 I understand that calculus.

00:15:24.000 Again, we don't have to agree with it.

00:15:26.000 You don't even have to think that Iran was an imminent threat to us to understand that reasonable people would come out on a different end of that discussion.

00:15:34.000 So we're not a drums of war people.

00:15:36.000 We're not excited, giddy.

00:15:38.000 There's no sort of fervor here.

00:15:40.000 There's no excitement at this.

00:15:43.000 It's humility, terror, and prayer for our troops and wishing and praying for success that this would ultimately be a good thing for the world and it would be a good thing for the region.

00:15:53.000 And by the way, if this does end in a positive way, it's undeniable that this could have massive upside, okay?

00:16:02.000 You're talking about choking off the energy flow to the CCP, many other downstream effects.

00:16:08.000 Well, we said this over the weekend, but I think it's worth repeating.

00:16:11.000 I think the best possible outcome for this is that instead of being another Middle East war, it is the last Middle East war that the United States has to be involved in.

00:16:20.000 We've been in here multiple times, but at this point, Iran, you can say, is the last entity that is a serious danger to anyone. 0.83

00:16:31.000 Yeah, there's Houthis who shoot missiles at ships in the Red Sea, but the Houthis are not in any way a strategic danger to any entire country that matters.

00:16:40.000 And so ideally, once the Iranian regime is either removed or it is curtailed, which the president has said, he seems to be saying if we can destroy all their military capabilities, and if they never try to rebuild them, we don't care what they do after that. 0.90

00:16:54.000 They can be an Islamic Republic as long as they want, as long as they're not a threat to anyone else.

00:16:59.000 If we can create that reality, then we can leave the Middle East, you know, leave a few bases here and there. 0.98

00:17:05.000 But most of the troops come home, most of the ships come home, most of the planes go elsewhere.

00:17:09.000 You've seen that commentary.

00:17:10.000 We can worry about that.

00:17:11.000 You've seen that commentary that this is in effect, if it works out, a reorientation of our focus on the Indo-Pacific.

00:17:18.000 America has had 45 years of conflict in the Middle East.

00:17:21.000 It would be nice to not have any more.

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00:18:48.000 Congressman Eli Crane joins us now.

00:18:50.000 Congressman, welcome back to the show.

00:18:52.000 I saw you briefly on our travels back from the State of the Union last week.

00:18:57.000 It was good to see you and touch base really quickly.

00:19:00.000 You are a former Navy SEAL.

00:19:02.000 You're also a Congressman.

00:19:04.000 Just lay out the situation as you would see it in Iran, what our troops are facing.

00:19:10.000 Obviously, whether you're for this intervention or not, one thing is very clear.

00:19:16.000 Our troops are second to none.

00:19:18.000 Our military is second to none.

00:19:20.000 Tell us from your perspective, Congressman, what you're thinking, what you're seeing.

00:19:24.000 Hey, guys.

00:19:25.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, last week before this invasion took place, you know, I was kind of banging the drum of caution when it comes to regime change, primarily because of my own personal experiences and playing a small role in the regime change efforts in Iraq and just seeing all the complexities that come with that.

00:19:49.000 You know, I know a lot of gold star moms. 1.00

00:19:51.000 I have a lot of friends that did not come home.

00:19:54.000 I know we spent trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:19:58.000 We lost, you know, thousands and thousands of American lives.

00:20:02.000 And when you look at those places now, it's very tough to make the argument that those places are better off now than when we went in there.

00:20:10.000 And so I know if you look up research and, you know, analysis, only about 20 to 30% of regime changes are actually successful.

00:20:21.000 And there's a whole list that, you know, of places that, you know, this has been tried and it has not worked.

00:20:26.000 And one of the biggest problems with regime change operations is the power vacuum that unfolds immediately.

00:20:35.000 And so you've got tribes, you've got clans, you've got militias, you've got political parties that are all jockeying for political power and positioning.

00:20:44.000 And that's just within the interior of the country.

00:20:48.000 And then you have the exterior forces.

00:20:51.000 You've got countries like China and Russia and the United States and Israel and so many others who are also trying to assert influence.

00:21:00.000 And as Americans often and Westerners, because we live in the countries that we do, we often have this flipping attitude that, well, we've done our part.

00:21:11.000 We've taken out the Atolla.

00:21:14.000 We've damaged the military infrastructure there.

00:21:17.000 So Iranians, just go do your thing now, right? 1.00

00:21:19.000 That's kind of the attitude.

00:21:21.000 The problem is, is that most of these people have lived under brutal authoritarian regime for so long that there's got to be a certain calculus and a fear in many of them to almost to the point of if I step up and I back the wrong horse or if I back the wrong political party and the party that I back or the person that I back doesn't win,

00:21:45.000 am I going to be thrown into a prison or a gulag or beheaded or hanged in the street?

00:21:52.000 And so it's very dynamic.

00:21:53.000 It's very hard to pull off.

00:21:55.000 That being said, now that this operation is underway, I'm hoping and I'm praying for not only the administration and the wisdom for their decisions going forward, but also for the people of Iran.

00:22:11.000 But it's a very dicey, very dynamic situation right now.

00:22:17.000 And I hope it works out.

00:22:20.000 I hope it works out.

00:22:21.000 And I will say this, guys, if we were going to, obviously we made the decision to do it.

00:22:27.000 I am glad that at least from the PR standpoint, this administration is not talking about we're going to be pushing regime change.

00:22:37.000 At least they're talking about the Iranians stepping up and doing it themselves. 0.97

00:22:42.000 Because if the United States was to insert a leader that has good relations with the United States, that leader would be seen as a puppet of the West and would have a tough time gaining legitimacy.

00:22:56.000 Yeah, the president spoke to Brett Bayer about this exact issue, 331.

00:23:03.000 I asked, so what you're saying is that you know there is somebody on the ground in Iran that is going to rise up.

00:23:09.000 Quote, yeah, I feel there is.

00:23:11.000 I feel that.

00:23:12.000 And some of them are no longer with us, to be honest, because it was 49 leaders that were taken out.

00:23:18.000 That was going to take four weeks, we thought, to get rid of the Iranian leadership.

00:23:22.000 And it's always, you know, if they hide, it's a lot longer than four weeks.

00:23:27.000 And they would have been hiding.

00:23:28.000 We were shocked when we heard what was going on.

00:23:31.000 We knew exactly what was happening and where.

00:23:34.000 49 leaders.

00:23:36.000 He goes on.

00:23:36.000 One more clip here, Elon.

00:23:38.000 I'll get your reaction on the other side, 333.

00:23:41.000 He said there is a plan.

00:23:43.000 He points to Venezuela as a template, which means to me that going in, they had some sense on the ground of what was coming next.

00:23:55.000 So from the President of the United States, he is pleased, does believe that this is going faster than they thought.

00:24:02.000 And he believes that four weeks is something that they had put as a kind of calendar of what they were looking at as setting the table for the Iranians to do what they do. 0.97

00:24:15.000 So when you hear four to five weeks, he says, I'm open to changing that timeline.

00:24:20.000 Could be moved up, could be moved back.

00:24:23.000 What are you, does that give you the sense that regime change was the ultimate goal here?

00:24:28.000 What do you interpret when you hear that, Eli?

00:24:31.000 Congressman Crane?

00:24:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I do believe that that was definitely part of the plan.

00:24:37.000 I mean, you know, from the time that the president addressed, you know, the people of the nation initially, it was pretty clear that that was a part of the plan, even if indirectly.

00:24:48.000 And hey, we'll take out the Ayatollah. 1.00

00:24:50.000 We'll take out a lot of the opposition. 0.98

00:24:53.000 We'll threaten the police to stay out of it or they're going to die.

00:24:58.000 But now, Iranians, you need to rise up and do your thing. 1.00

00:25:01.000 So I do think that even if indirectly, that was a part of the plan.

00:25:05.000 Obviously, we wanted to take out the ballistic missiles.

00:25:08.000 And I do believe that Iran is a massive threat and at some point was going to have to be dealt with. 1.00

00:25:14.000 And I will say humbly, guys, that I recognize on the outset that I don't have all the information and intelligence that the president and this administration have.

00:25:23.000 So I want to be cautious.

00:25:25.000 I know tomorrow when we fly in at 5 p.m., we're going to be briefed by Secretary Rubio.

00:25:30.000 I believe Pete Hegseth, John Ratcliffe is supposed to be there.

00:25:33.000 So, you know, we should be able to paint some of the color and understanding in for members of Congress.

00:25:41.000 But I am glad that the president is at least speaking in terms of, hey, we've got to be flexible because everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

00:25:50.000 And as somebody who's gone to war many times, I can tell you that often, you know, things don't go the way that you planned.

00:25:57.000 And you've got to be able to be flexible and you've got to be willing and able to adjust.

00:26:03.000 And I very seriously doubt the president of the United States, who I think has a pretty good track record of trying to keep us out of prolonged military conflicts, gang planned this out with his senior advisors from many agencies on, you know, what next.

00:26:18.000 That's always the question with regime change type operations.

00:26:23.000 You know, the actual, you know, toppling of a regime isn't the hard part.

00:26:27.000 It's what comes next.

00:26:29.000 And, you know, I'm sure the president had many, you know, plans, strategic plans presented to him.

00:26:34.000 And, you know, this is why, you know, Charlie and others have said that we voted for the guy because we did trust his instincts.

00:26:42.000 And I'm hoping and praying that he's in prayer himself and making the best decisions possible for the country because military operations like this can go sideways so fast, you know, it'll make your head spin.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, well, that's the question, Blake.

00:26:59.000 And it's, it's, you know, you talked about how we don't want to put our thumb on the scale picking the next leader of Iran, but then there is this vacuum and you get this factions fighting.

00:27:08.000 Everybody's wondering who, if they pick the wrong horse, are they going to be sent to the gulag?

00:27:13.000 How do you install or not install?

00:27:15.000 How do you achieve that without installing somebody?

00:27:18.000 Because if I'm the Iranian people, I'm going, who is America going to pick?

00:27:23.000 Because that's probably going to be the winning horse here.

00:27:25.000 Like, how do you thread that needle?

00:27:27.000 You know, that's, I don't, I don't know that you have an answer for it, but to me, that seems like the central tension then.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, you know, if, if, if I was, if I was working this problem, guys, I would be working with my coalition partners in the area, you know, to find somebody that, you know, we could all, you know, agree upon, you know, would be better than the former leadership, but at the same time, have some credibility with the Iranian people.

00:27:53.000 Yeah, I think that's probably smart.

00:27:55.000 Even when you have other Arab partners that are now kind of at the table, the Board of Peace, it'll be interesting.

00:28:01.000 You've also got the, you know, with the Crown Prince Reza, whatever his name is.

00:28:06.000 Reza Pahlavi.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, he's who knows to be invited back.

00:28:10.000 Who knows what his credibility is on the ground?

00:28:13.000 I mean, but listen, you're hitting all the notes that we're hitting, Congressman.

00:28:17.000 Listen, there's no eagerness here.

00:28:20.000 There's no fervor to get involved in this conflict.

00:28:23.000 But as you said, this is why we work so hard to get President Trump elected is for tough decisions like this.

00:28:29.000 And we have to trust his instincts.

00:28:30.000 Ultimately, we have to pray for success and for peace and minimal casualties.

00:28:34.000 And I think it's very telling that a man like yourself, Congressman, that has been in combat multiple times, that this is the tone you're setting.

00:28:43.000 And you heard that as well from Secretary Hegseth.

00:28:46.000 He said, you know, I was there for Iraq.

00:28:48.000 I'm here for this.

00:28:49.000 This is not Iraq. 0.87

00:28:50.000 But the humility of going to war, I think we always have to keep that central while praying for our brave servicemen and women.

00:28:59.000 Thank you, Congressman.

00:29:00.000 God bless you.

00:29:01.000 And I look forward to updates as you get briefed in D.C. tomorrow.

00:29:06.000 Thank you, guys.

00:29:07.000 God bless.

00:29:08.000 We're going to take just a quick detour here because we have to address this.

00:29:12.000 Our friend Charlie was once again targeted by leftists, this time over a massive banner hanging at the Department of Education with his face on it.

00:29:22.000 It was a beautiful tribute at the Department of Education.

00:29:24.000 Yeah, it was a banner.

00:29:26.000 It had Booker T. Washington.

00:29:28.000 It had, who was the next one?

00:29:32.000 Catherine Beecher.

00:29:33.000 And then it had Charlie.

00:29:34.000 And it said, empowering our states to tell the stories of our heroes in American education.

00:29:40.000 And so it's reflecting the agenda with the Department of Education, which is, of course, abolish it ultimately.

00:29:46.000 We don't need a big federal Department of Education.

00:29:49.000 And also, yeah, so empowering the states and then heroes in American education.

00:29:53.000 And so some very nasty people, I don't think we need to really pull any punches there.

00:29:59.000 We're saying gross people. 0.96

00:30:01.000 They deserve to be absolutely excoriated for this insane attack against Charlie. 0.85

00:30:08.000 And of course, we are talking about none other than Mehdi Hassan.

00:30:12.000 Mehdi Hassan, the disgraced former MSNBC, was because it was MSNBC then, broadcaster.

00:30:19.000 He's still holding MSNBC.

00:30:20.000 I can never remember.

00:30:21.000 MS Now, whatever.

00:30:22.000 MS Now.

00:30:23.000 They changed it because they were embarrassed about it.

00:30:25.000 Well, he had to say, first Democratic presidential candidate who publicly pledges to tear down this particular banner on day one of his or her administration gets an immediate bump in their presidential primary polling. 0.90

00:30:37.000 Shut up, Mehdi Hassan. 0.85

00:30:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:40.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:30:40.000 Go back to whatever hellhole you came from and go terrorize the people there. 1.00

00:30:45.000 That's my message for you. 0.99

00:30:47.000 What stands out to me is Mehdi is, of course, a leftist, and he's been freaking out massively about this war non-stop.

00:30:52.000 You can go to his ex account.

00:30:54.000 And, okay, well, Charlie was someone who opposed war, but was hesitant about this war.

00:31:01.000 And this is the grace we get, which is Mehdi Hassan goes online.

00:31:06.000 And you could even oppose it.

00:31:08.000 You could say, I don't think this is who should be honored.

00:31:11.000 But instead, it's the visceral disgust.

00:31:14.000 He's furious that we would dare commemorate someone who was heinously murdered by a left-wing radical while he was on a campus, advocating for American principles and free speech, engaging with people who disagreed with him.

00:31:26.000 And then one of those people who disagreed with him shot him.

00:31:28.000 And that's his response is to say, we're going to immediately support whoever tears down this disgusting banner. 0.99

00:31:34.000 Yeah, he's just a repulsive creature. 0.97

00:31:37.000 Of course, and of course, he is someone who was welcomed into this country from a foreign country. 1.00

00:31:42.000 We gave him citizenship for some stupid reason. 1.00

00:31:46.000 And he rewards us by dumping on an American icon and an American hero. 1.00

00:31:50.000 Yeah.

00:31:51.000 You know what? 0.93

00:31:52.000 I'll give my primary support to whoever says, we're going to try to find a way to strip this person's citizenship and send him back to some dump. 0.99

00:31:58.000 Yeah, we should, actually.

00:32:00.000 We should.

00:32:00.000 And, you know, it's worth remembering that in a resurface clip from 2009, Mehdi Hassan, given his sermon speeches to Muslim student groups on Islam and extremism, he quoted the Quran to describe atheists, non-believers, kufar, disbelievers, as cattle.

00:32:19.000 That's what he said.

00:32:20.000 Deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices. 0.99

00:32:29.000 In a list of sins attributed to the historical tyrant Yazid, he concluded a homosexual, a pedophile, a sexual deviant alongside drunker, dog lover, music lover, killer. 0.99

00:32:42.000 So, you know, this is Mehdi Hassan. 0.99

00:32:45.000 He's a foreigner that, to Blake's point, for some reason in our stupid immigration system, he was allowed in. 1.00

00:32:52.000 Then he's allowed to come in here and smear the memory of Charlie Kirk, the legacy of Charlie Kirk. 0.99

00:32:59.000 And listen, those are the freedoms that have been bestowed upon him by a superior country and culture than his own.

00:33:06.000 And yeah, whatever.

00:33:07.000 He's British or whatever his, you know.

00:33:10.000 But he's a Muslim.

00:33:11.000 He's somebody that is proudly in favor of the Palestinian movement and Hamas, anti-Israel, anti-American. 0.82

00:33:20.000 And so, yeah, we have a superior culture than Mehdi Hassan's, and yet he's come in here and he's been bestowed with the same freedoms that American citizens have long enjoyed.

00:33:30.000 And we should find a way to stop that.

00:33:32.000 We should absolutely find a way to stop that.

00:33:34.000 That's my final feeling on this.

00:33:37.000 I don't see much of a difference between him and many others that are even more violent, obviously.

00:33:43.000 There's another, John Pavlovitz.

00:33:46.000 This is a left-wing Christian, apparently, if that's such a thing these days.

00:33:52.000 365, John Pavlovitz, who wrote a book basically saying if you're a Christian, don't be a D-word.

00:34:01.000 And yet he spends all of his time on social media basically behaving like a D-word.

00:34:07.000 And I won't fill in the blanks.

00:34:09.000 There was a lot of that. 0.98

00:34:09.000 There's a lot of that because left-wing Christians are very often very messed up in the head. 0.98

00:34:17.000 Well, that's for sure. 0.98

00:34:19.000 John Pavlovitz says Charlie Kirk was a horrible human being who despised diversity, empathy, and equality.

00:34:25.000 No, he despised equity, which is a communist term.

00:34:29.000 His face belongs nowhere near a government building, let alone one devoted to education.

00:34:33.000 And then he pumps his substack where he says the shameful Christian idolatry and fraudulent martyrdom of Charlie Kirk.

00:34:39.000 This also captures their values.

00:34:40.000 They say Charlie doesn't belong.

00:34:41.000 They'll basically say Charlie doesn't belong in an education building because he thought college was a scam.

00:34:46.000 Charlie was a huge advocate for education.

00:34:48.000 We would have people touting Christian education, classical education.

00:34:51.000 We had Hillsdale here on all the time.

00:34:52.000 He endlessly loved to talk about what you should learn throughout your life.

00:34:56.000 He advocated education throughout your life.

00:34:58.000 He told people, here's how you can get the most out of college if you go.

00:35:03.000 He loved education.

00:35:04.000 He just thought colleges don't educate people.

00:35:07.000 He thought it was a scam.

00:35:08.000 He didn't say the education scam.

00:35:10.000 He didn't say the learning scam.

00:35:12.000 He said the college scam because he thought it was cheating people.

00:35:15.000 He thought all of the values that made it important were eroding away.

00:35:18.000 He thought it had become a way for scammers to rip people off. 0.83

00:35:21.000 And so these parasites go out and they say, oh, Charlie doesn't belong in the Department of Education building, you know, after we murdered him because he didn't think it was a good idea to spend $200,000 in a worthless degree. 0.81

00:35:35.000 Yeah, he didn't mindlessly parrot the talking points from the regime media that would say that college or bust. 0.95

00:35:42.000 Sorry, there's other options.

00:35:43.000 We like HVAC and plumbers and people that work with their hands, shower before and after work.

00:35:48.000 We like those guys too. 0.93

00:35:50.000 Anyway, screw these two.

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00:37:08.000 We are joined by Jonathan Gilliam.

00:37:10.000 He's a former Navy SEAL, former FBI agent.

00:37:14.000 You can follow him on X.

00:37:15.000 It's a good follow, Jay Gilliam underscore SEAL.

00:37:19.000 Jonathan, welcome back to the show.

00:37:21.000 It's been a while since we had you on.

00:37:22.000 I believe last time you were on, you were on with Charlie.

00:37:25.000 There is a huge concern with the strikes going on in Iran that it could activate sleeper cells here in the United States.

00:37:33.000 Of course, we had this terrible shooting in Austin.

00:37:36.000 14 were injured, two killed, when a 53-year-old man from Senegal.

00:37:41.000 He was a Charlie's immigrant, naturalized citizen, and I believe his shirt said property of Allah. 0.99

00:37:46.000 Yeah, and his t-shirt had some sort of reference to Iran underneath that sweatshirt.

00:37:54.000 So The question then becomes: what do you do about this?

00:37:59.000 You know, head on a swivel, stay frosty.

00:38:02.000 There's multiple levels to this, though, Jonathan.

00:38:04.000 What are you watching and paying attention to right now?

00:38:07.000 Well, first of all, let me just touch on that head on a swivel, stay frosty thing that people say a lot.

00:38:12.000 So, are either of you guys in finance?

00:38:16.000 Do you study finance at all?

00:38:18.000 I'm not in finance.

00:38:19.000 I study it as best I can.

00:38:22.000 Okay.

00:38:22.000 So, if I ask you what stocks should I invest in today, you know, are you going to give me an educated opinion or are you going to give me an opinion based on what you've heard, right?

00:38:34.000 What I've heard.

00:38:34.000 Well, that's true.

00:38:35.000 Okay, it's the same thing here.

00:38:38.000 Just being aware is like saying, you know, I know that there's stocks in the stock market, right?

00:38:45.000 So, it's what you're aware of.

00:38:47.000 So, as many people listen to this, this podcast and watch this podcast, especially people who are smart critical thinkers, they have to understand what to look for, when to look for it, and what is normal versus what is abnormal behavior in any sector of their life.

00:39:07.000 And I'll get to why this is so important now and what threats we're looking at.

00:39:13.000 But this is the very first thing that people must realize: I have to go study stocks and the market and all these things to get versed in when and how to invest.

00:39:24.000 And it seems complicated, but for those who do it, it's not that complicated.

00:39:29.000 Well, it's the same thing with attackers.

00:39:31.000 That guy that walked into that bar in Texas and killed two people and wounded 14.

00:39:37.000 Well, he wasn't a rocket science.

00:39:40.000 He wasn't a Navy SEAL.

00:39:42.000 He was a guy wearing a property of Allah shirt, which, by the way, he is a property of his a la now, but he's actually property of our God now. 0.75

00:39:53.000 He didn't have all this special forces training and things to walk in there and carry out a successful terror attack.

00:40:02.000 He had the will.

00:40:04.000 And the people that were killed and wounded did not have the awareness to see a guy walking in with a property of all a shirt, wearing camouflage pants and carrying a gun.

00:40:15.000 So, this is where he figured out the vulnerabilities and he exploited those vulnerabilities.

00:40:24.000 And the interesting thing is the people that got shot and the people that were in that bar, they also know about those vulnerabilities.

00:40:30.000 They just don't look at it from his perspective.

00:40:33.000 So, that's where I started out.

00:40:35.000 That's why I started out with the comparison to stocks: is that we all know and we've heard that if you invest your money correctly, your money is going to make you money.

00:40:45.000 And if we learn just a little bit about how the market goes back and forth, we can then start to develop more of an understanding of where and how to invest our money.

00:40:56.000 It's the same thing here.

00:40:58.000 If you look at how these attackers traditionally work, if you look at yourself, your life, your sectors, each sector of your life, your business, church, school, so on and so forth, and you say, if I was going to attack, This is why I would choose this.

00:41:16.000 This is what I would exploit to get to that area effectively, when it might happen, because that bar is not a viable target Sunday morning at 12 a.m.

00:41:26.000 It's a viable, or excuse me, at 12 p.m.

00:41:29.000 It's a viable target at 12 a.m. Sunday morning because that's Saturday night.

00:41:35.000 So we have to look at our lives from the attacker's point of view and then turn around and say, now my awareness is heightened.

00:41:43.000 I know to look in this area at this point in time.

00:41:46.000 I know that the attack could come from this direction.

00:41:49.000 It might be that type of attack.

00:41:50.000 And then you can say, this is normal.

00:41:53.000 That's normal at that time in that place, but this is not normal.

00:41:57.000 And so if people can do this using their knowledge, but looking at an attacker's point of view and then turn around and then eliminate vulnerabilities, develop plans of action, what they'll end up finding is that they, for instance, in the Ariana Grande concert that got bombed years ago, people who thought, you know what, I'm not going to walk out when everybody else does because that's an area that's ripe for an attack.

00:42:24.000 I'm either going to leave early, which I would have if I was forced to go to Ariana Grande concert, I would have left early, or you wait for everybody else to leave and then you go because then you could have avoided, you would have had a plan of action to avoid that critical time in that critical area.

00:42:40.000 So John.

00:42:41.000 Yeah, I'm just, I'm curious.

00:42:43.000 Well, this feels spooky.

00:42:45.000 It sounds like you're kind of in a roundabout way saying just avoid crowded spaces at this point.

00:42:51.000 No, what I'm saying is it, well, yeah, if you don't have to go into those crowded spaces, then don't.

00:42:57.000 But if you do, and it's not just crowded spaces, I mean, that bar was not the biggest bar.

00:43:02.000 It wasn't the most packed bar, but it was a place in time that could have been ripe for an attack and it was.

00:43:09.000 So not paranoid, but aware.

00:43:12.000 And it's a huge difference.

00:43:14.000 Being this aware frees you up.

00:43:16.000 You're not going to worry.

00:43:17.000 Am I going to get caught?

00:43:18.000 Because you're going to have a plan of action.

00:43:20.000 And then if it does happen, that plan is going to allow you to maneuver to safety.

00:43:27.000 And so that's how we do threat assessments.

00:43:28.000 And that's how people should do that on their life.

00:43:30.000 I'm just curious, when you go into a crowded space, especially right now where, you know, we're under heightened security risk with everything in Iran.

00:43:39.000 Are you looking for an exit?

00:43:40.000 As soon as you walk into a building, is that like, what are the first three things you do?

00:43:45.000 You say, where's my exit?

00:43:47.000 How do I get immediate cover?

00:43:48.000 Like, what's the list that goes to your head?

00:43:51.000 Well, if I can choose where I'm going to sit or where I'm going to go, that's what I do.

00:43:56.000 If I can't choose, then yes, I'm always monitoring exits, not just the exit.

00:44:00.000 What are other exits?

00:44:02.000 And you can kind of get an idea for the places that you're going to go.

00:44:06.000 You go regularly.

00:44:08.000 You know, I live in Arizona, so I'm familiar with where you all are at.

00:44:12.000 And I've been there before.

00:44:14.000 And I always have an understanding of the threats, as you all do.

00:44:19.000 But I don't know if you all, but I definitely look at it from an attacker's point of view.

00:44:24.000 So when I walk up anywhere, I'm understanding, for instance, in a mall that there is places to exit in the back that take me to an alleyway that could lead outside of a building.

00:44:34.000 I don't necessarily have to go out the front door.

00:44:37.000 So that is the defensive side.

00:44:39.000 The awareness or the attacker side is saying, if I was going to attack, I'll probably just walk through the front door with a knife or a gun.

00:44:46.000 And if something happens as a defender, I'm going to avoid that.

00:44:49.000 And I'm going to go towards the back and go out.

00:44:51.000 And so this is the back and forth, the switch, the on and off, the what-if game and going back and forth from the attacker to the defender.

00:44:59.000 No, and by the way, you know, it's a terrifying reality that we've all had to confront around here of just constantly being vigilant and constantly, you know, it's understanding you might have a tail.

00:45:11.000 How do you shake the tail?

00:45:13.000 What do you do if you have an intruder?

00:45:14.000 What do you have somebody who comes on campus?

00:45:16.000 God forbid.

00:45:17.000 Like we've, we've run through all these scenarios because this is the world we live in, unfortunately.

00:45:20.000 And obviously with what happened to Charlie, our awareness is even more heightened.

00:45:25.000 So, Jonathan, how do people find you if they want to keep tabs on your advice and what you're putting out there?

00:45:33.000 Jonathan Gilliam, anywhere on social media, just look for this face, the face for radio.

00:45:38.000 And if they DM me and they have a question, I can always get it back to them if I see it.

00:45:44.000 And listen, awareness is the name of the game.

00:45:47.000 Awareness and thinking like they do so you can avoid it.

00:45:50.000 Yeah.

00:45:51.000 Well, Jonathan, thanks for making the time.

00:45:54.000 You know, Austin really drove this point home.

00:45:56.000 So thank you for helping us stay vigilant, giving us some points, pointers and tips and tricks.

00:46:01.000 Thank you so much.

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00:47:24.000 So we're going to continue this conversation.

00:47:26.000 Secretary of War Pete Hegseth says the U.S. is ready for possible Iranian sleeper cell attacks on U.S. Soil 305.

00:47:33.000 Concerns about Iranian sleeper cells and kind of what has the Trump administration been doing to kind of monitor these across the internet agency in full coordination.

00:47:42.000 Of course, we're paying attention to any potentialities there.

00:47:46.000 This is a former regime, a regime that seeks to export that ideology and try to sow terror. 0.88

00:47:54.000 We're ready for that.

00:47:55.000 We've seen these types of folks before, and the American people can rest assured that we're vigilant on that.

00:48:02.000 Let's do a little back in time here.

00:48:04.000 This is Tulsi Gabbard 366.

00:48:07.000 You revealed that the Biden administration, I didn't believe this headline, that they deported only eight out of 100 illegals with ties to ISIS.

00:48:17.000 It is inconceivable to me to have a commander-in-chief and a president who would knowingly return those who are either known or suspected terrorists or those who had very close ties with known or suspected terrorists back onto our streets in their country.

00:48:31.000 But unfortunately, it's exactly what happened.

00:48:34.000 There were over 400 illegal immigrants who came from Central Asia into our country.

00:48:39.000 Of those, there were hundreds who had either ties to terrorists or were terrorists themselves.

00:48:46.000 This is something I would truthfully tease Charlie about.

00:48:49.000 He had a big fascination with sleeper cells, which I think was somewhat related to him watching 24 a lot when he was growing up.

00:48:55.000 You have these espionage shows where there's a lot of them.

00:48:58.000 But Tulsi is getting at the heart of it, which is that for decades, really, and especially during the Biden administration, we really did just let anyone in at the southern border.

00:49:08.000 It was so simple to just be let in.

00:49:11.000 We had people not just coming from Latin America, but they're coming, as she said, Central Asia, the Middle East, China. 0.98

00:49:18.000 And a lot of them are criminals, sex offenders. 0.74

00:49:21.000 We don't know who they are.

00:49:23.000 They don't have any real identification.

00:49:25.000 And we've let them in for years.

00:49:27.000 And we're just at the point where there are millions of people in the United States from foreign lands where we don't know what motivates them, why they're here, what weird mental problems they might have.

00:49:38.000 So some of them could be active agents of foreign governments, or they're just nutballs who obviously shouldn't be here.

00:49:44.000 And both of those pose a real threat where they could react to this either because they're ordered to or just because they choose to.

00:49:52.000 That property of a logi, I don't think was sent here as anyone's agent.

00:49:56.000 He has a history or had a history.

00:49:59.000 He's dead now, but he had a history of mental illness.

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:02.000 And we just let him in.

00:50:03.000 He came in, overstayed a visa illegally.

00:50:05.000 We just let him become a citizen anyway because he married somebody, which I think that would be a good rule. 0.89

00:50:11.000 If you violate a visa to stay here, you can't use a marriage as a get-out-of-jail free card on it.

00:50:17.000 And yeah, eventually just snapped and killed people.

00:50:20.000 Well, and this is millions who could do that. 0.92

00:50:22.000 Of course.

00:50:22.000 And by the way, they're not all Iranian nationals, although some of them are.

00:50:26.000 This is a report, a CBS from June 2025, where ICE arrested 11 Iranian nationals in, I guess, across eight states in 48 hours.

00:50:36.000 This is real.

00:50:37.000 That's why interior enforcement is so important, 360.

00:50:41.000 The Department of Homeland Security says Yusuf Meredano had been living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years.

00:50:49.000 Since U.S. officials determined he lied on a visa application, on Sunday, just four months after the Iranian foreign national was added to the U.S.'s known or suspected terrorist list, he was arrested in central Mississippi.

00:51:03.000 He's now in ICE custody pending removal proceedings, and he's not alone.

00:51:08.000 Over the past 48 hours, ICE officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals spanning eight states nationwide.

00:51:16.000 Among them, five possessed previous criminal convictions.

00:51:19.000 Their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possessions.

00:51:24.000 Also, among those apprehended, Ribvar Karimi.

00:51:28.000 ICE officials say they found his Islamic Republic of Iran Army identification card and allege he served as an Iranian sniper.

00:51:37.000 Okay.

00:51:38.000 Just let these guys in super casually.

00:51:40.000 Just to remind you, this is, go back in your head to Minneapolis.

00:51:46.000 All these blue-haired Karens using their cars as battering rams against ICE officials. 1.00

00:51:51.000 These are the people that they're getting out of the country. 0.64

00:51:53.000 This is why interior enforcement matters. 0.84

00:51:56.000 This is why we can't give an inch to these crazy people.

00:51:59.000 They think that their message is compassion. 0.94

00:52:01.000 They think that they're trying to be inclusive or whatever.

00:52:04.000 I don't want to be inclusive of people like that.

00:52:06.000 I don't want to be inclusive of people that are going to turn the gun on American citizens and fire into a nightclub in Austin, Texas, or wherever.

00:52:16.000 And so this is a very real problem.

00:52:18.000 I'm candidly, there's a big part of me that's glad we've had at least a year of ICE deportations under President Trump before this kind of action was taken in the Middle East.

00:52:28.000 Yes, but we need a lot more.

00:52:31.000 And it really, it is just an illustration of how badly we've harmed America totally.

00:52:38.000 This 100% America-last attitude, this attitude of everyone in the world has a right to come to America and stay in America. 0.57

00:52:47.000 Every single good idea I've heard is, you know, anytime a plane crashes, we have this board that comes in and they analyze every single thing about the crash and, you know, how could this have happened?

00:52:58.000 And we do new safety innovations to make sure.

00:53:01.000 And as a result, we have almost no plane crashes anymore.

00:53:04.000 And I think it would be pretty reasonable for us to do that the same way.

00:53:07.000 Like anytime an immigrant to this country does something like a terrorist attack, a mass shooting, they're caught doing some really heinous crime, it should merit an action. 1.00

00:53:17.000 You should make someone have to write up a report.

00:53:19.000 How did this person get into America?

00:53:20.000 Why did they remain in America when they were obviously insane or a criminal or a welfare thing? 0.82

00:53:26.000 And how do we prevent this from happening in the future?

00:53:28.000 And you should make it so someone is getting humiliated.

00:53:30.000 Someone is losing their job when this happens because we have done this over and over and over again.

00:53:35.000 We've had it multiple times in the past year where someone who is an immigrant to this country just stabs someone to death on the bus, specifically on a bus. 0.99

00:53:44.000 Lunatic immigrant to the country stabs someone to death. 1.00

00:53:47.000 The number of people who come into this country and then stab someone to death on a bus should be zero. 0.98

00:53:53.000 I'm going to guess in a lot of countries, it is zero.

00:53:55.000 Somehow they don't have this problem, even if they have immigration there. 1.00

00:53:59.000 It is a choice.

00:54:00.000 Well, and you think about recreating how we got here.

00:54:03.000 So you've got a Senegalese immigrant who comes not sure what was in the benefit of America to even let him in in the first place, overstays his visa, has a history of mental health issues, then gets married and we allow him to stay. 1.00

00:54:18.000 This guy is a complete degenerate that shouldn't have been allowed in this country, should have been deported, candidly, should have never been naturalized. 0.89

00:54:25.000 The fact that we're just so knee-jerk to extend our compassion to somebody that doesn't belong here, hates our country, and by the way, worships, you know, has a Quran in his car, by the way. 0.99

00:54:37.000 You know, there's, I want to beat up on Mehdi Hassan more.

00:54:39.000 He's also tweeted over the weekend yesterday.

00:54:41.000 God help us if we're about to see a repeat of the post-Iraq era. 1.00

00:54:44.000 We illegally invade Amidi's country, energize extremists, and then get predictable blowback terrorism in the U.S. Gee, why is it predictable that there would be blowback terrorism in the United States? 0.89

00:54:55.000 I don't feel that it was predictable that we would get blowback terrorism when we fought any of our wars 100 years ago.

00:55:01.000 But apparently now it's a predictable consequence if we pursue any foreign policy.

00:55:05.000 Yeah.

00:55:06.000 Where does that come from, Mehdi?

00:55:07.000 Maybe people making that predictable shouldn't be in the country.

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00:56:11.000 So welcome into the show.

00:56:13.000 I'm very excited about this.

00:56:14.000 This is Pastor Robbie Dawkins.

00:56:16.000 He spent a lot of time in country, in Iran, throughout the Middle East, Pakistan.

00:56:22.000 If he tells you where he's at currently, that's his prerogative here.

00:56:26.000 Welcome to the show, Pastor Dawkins.

00:56:28.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:56:30.000 It's glad to join.

00:56:31.000 I'm in Dubai.

00:56:32.000 Yeah, you're in Dubai.

00:56:33.000 So Dubai is actually, there's been some missiles that have gone right to Dubai.

00:56:40.000 Really close to that.

00:56:41.000 I forget the name of the building, but yeah, it's the tallest building in the world.

00:56:45.000 Are you hearing the explosions go off?

00:56:47.000 Yes, most definitely.

00:56:49.000 They hit early this morning.

00:56:51.000 They hit the airport.

00:56:54.000 They had struck one of the malls here before that.

00:56:58.000 Also, they struck a hotel yesterday, or day before yesterday, rather.

00:57:04.000 Yeah, we've got several videos that we've taken of missiles that have been shot down, drones that have been shot down.

00:57:12.000 We're hearing mortar blasts here.

00:57:14.000 Today was a little bit unusually calm for what we've been hearing over the past couple of days, but it's definitely been very active.

00:57:25.000 And my connections in northern Iraq and also the northern part of Iran have also been hearing active fighting that's been going on there too.

00:57:39.000 So what do you think the goal is?

00:57:42.000 And we're going to get into Iran in just a second, Pastor, but what do you think the goal is of the IRGC sending off missiles into neighboring Arab states?

00:57:53.000 Well, there's a couple of thoughts.

00:57:55.000 My personal thoughts is I think they're trying to provoke Arab nations to participate very foolishly. 1.00

00:58:02.000 I mean, why would they do that if they're being struck by the IRGC?

00:58:06.000 But it seems to be that's something that they're trying to do.

00:58:09.000 They're in an active ploy to engage other Arab nations.

00:58:13.000 You know, Iran is not Arab, it's Persian, but to engage them in engaging into the battle. 0.96

00:58:20.000 And so that's something that they are heartily involved in doing and have been trying to do.

00:58:25.000 But all of these surrounding nations, UAE, Bahrain, Saudi, Qatar, have all given support to the U.S. and IDF forces.

00:58:37.000 All right.

00:58:37.000 So this is what I'm trying to ascertain and why I wanted to have you on, Pastor, is because not only are you a longtime friend of mine, but I know for knowing you for years that you have been doing ministry work inside Iran and Pakistan.

00:58:52.000 You know this area very well and you know the people very well.

00:58:56.000 So, you know, what this is, so there's conflicting reports, right?

00:59:01.000 So I'm seeing these videos.

00:59:02.000 You can throw 376 on with just without sound, please.

00:59:06.000 But this, this is apparently pro-government rallies that are taking place right now.

00:59:12.000 They're saying no submission, no surrender, war with America.

00:59:17.000 But you're hearing the other side of that story, which are people within Iran that seem to be very happy about this.

00:59:24.000 What is your gauge right now about the actual sentiment on the ground?

00:59:29.000 Are they for these strikes?

00:59:30.000 Are they against them?

00:59:33.000 What's the truth?

00:59:34.000 I did not know one Iranian that is not pro this war, that they are happy that Israel and the United States are striking them. 0.99

00:59:43.000 I don't know one that is not happy about that.

00:59:46.000 These rallies that are taking place, you have to realize this has gone on.

00:59:49.000 I've worked in Iran for over 20 years and also Afghanistan and Pakistan, as you mentioned.

00:59:54.000 And let me tell you what they do is they force many of these students.

00:59:58.000 There is a food shortage.

00:59:59.000 There's water shortage.

01:00:01.000 They are threatening students.

01:00:02.000 They are threatening people that they will cut off their ability to get food, that they will cut off their ability to get supplies.

01:00:09.000 If they do not show up at these rallies, if you're a government worker, if you're IDF military or police, if you don't show up and your family doesn't show up, you could even be killed.

01:00:20.000 They are taking this extremely seriously.

01:00:22.000 So this is all propaganda.

01:00:23.000 It is all under the threat of the IRGC maintaining control.

01:00:28.000 And that is literally all that it is.

01:00:30.000 They've even paid students in the past.

01:00:33.000 Imagine George Soros and things he's done, you know, where they have forced them to come or that they would be cut from the school.

01:00:40.000 They would be cut from the education system and their food supply would be completely cut off.

01:00:44.000 That is what is happening.

01:00:46.000 And that's not hypothesis.

01:00:48.000 That is actual facts of what's taking place right now.

01:00:52.000 Well, and I've sent you just over the weekend, I've sent you a number of videos that have been circulating online.

01:00:57.000 Some have been proven to be old videos of these IRGC rallies.

01:01:02.000 But these ones do, the ones I just put on screen, they do appear to be current.

01:01:10.000 So you're saying that you're hearing from the ground, your sources on the ground, that a lot of these are coerced demonstrations.

01:01:17.000 There's got to be real popular support, though, right?

01:01:20.000 Even if it's a minority, I'm sure there's factions within Iran.

01:01:24.000 I mean, it's a huge country, 80, 90 million people, various geographies, various ethnicities.

01:01:30.000 There's got to be popular support for the regime, I'm sure.

01:01:34.000 Do we have any idea of what a percentage of support of the nation would be supportive of the regime versus supportive of overthrowing it?

01:01:43.000 There's not going to be any hard numbers regarding percentage of ratios.

01:01:48.000 I can tell you right now, like I know thousands of Iranians in the country.

01:01:52.000 I'm in communication with Iranians every day, all day long.

01:01:55.000 And there is no one that is in support of the IRGC.

01:02:00.000 Literally no one.

01:02:01.000 That's the reason why you're seeing all of these people shouting from their flats and from their balconies, death to the Ayatollah, death to the IRGC.

01:02:12.000 And they are just sick of it.

01:02:14.000 So all of it is propaganda.

01:02:17.000 If there is anybody that's in support, most of those people are in support because they've been told that if the U.S. comes in, that they will be killed.

01:02:26.000 Even though the president clearly stated that they will give immunity to anybody who surrenders, they're being told, no, you'll be killed.

01:02:34.000 And if they don't kill you, then they're going to be killed by the IRGC. 0.82

01:02:38.000 So this is like old school, imagine old school Soviet way of dealing with things. 0.89

01:02:44.000 That's what's happening right now on the ground in Iran.

01:02:46.000 But the percentage, I'm telling you now, there is vast, vast numbers.

01:02:52.000 I know university students right now that are ready to take over, that are ready to do things, that are ready to step up, that they've been preparing for this for a long time.

01:03:02.000 And my particular ministry, we're getting medical supplies into them.

01:03:07.000 We're getting Starlinks into them.

01:03:09.000 We're smuggling those in.

01:03:11.000 We have an active route for that.

01:03:13.000 And there's just, but there's so much demand right now because the vast population, they are ready to see this regime fall and they are not in support.

01:03:24.000 So we had Representative Eli Crane on before and nature abhors a vacuum, as they say, right?

01:03:31.000 And President Trump is telling people to stay inside.

01:03:34.000 So presumably the supporters of the overthrow of the regime are still inside.

01:03:38.000 They're hunkering down.

01:03:39.000 It's still dangerous.

01:03:40.000 The question, though, becomes, is there any, you know, this, I always forget his name, Crown Prince Reza.

01:03:49.000 Palabi.

01:03:49.000 Pilabby.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:51.000 So is there popular support for him coming in to help usher in new leadership?

01:03:56.000 You think so.

01:03:56.000 Okay.

01:03:57.000 Interesting.

01:03:57.000 I was Blake and I were convinced we were getting, there was like an op going on because we had a number of people.

01:04:02.000 I still think there's probably an op.

01:04:04.000 We weren't sure if that was sort of outside propaganda from expats that were all over the world, the diaspora of Iranians, Persians, or if that you.

01:04:13.000 So you're telling me your read on the ground, because again, you know a ton of these people.

01:04:18.000 You're saying that's actual organic support for this guy.

01:04:22.000 And the main reason why is because they do not trust anybody that has been in leadership so far coming out of the regime that would say they would switch sides or that they don't agree with it anymore.

01:04:22.000 Yes.

01:04:32.000 Pahavi has made a commitment to a democratic government.

01:04:35.000 He said he would only take the position if the Iranian people chose him.

01:04:40.000 That's a big difference from everything else that they're hearing inside the country from the regime.

01:04:44.000 And they also are people that are hoping for him to step in, even if it was in a form like a Prince Charles form where it was a figurehead, but to come in and to be a stabilization and help set up a new government.

01:04:58.000 That is voted upon, which Pahlavi has committed to.

01:05:01.000 Fascinating.

01:05:02.000 But the question then, your read on the ground is that because the brutal crackdowns on protesters, we're hearing reports of 20, maybe 30,000 were killed in the streets.

01:05:15.000 I believe that that's more than 50,000.

01:05:17.000 You believe it's higher.

01:05:18.000 Okay, wow.

01:05:18.000 So you believe that you believe that despite that crackdown, that the survivors of that movement are ready to come back to the streets and reclaim power when the coast is clear.

01:05:33.000 Absolutely.

01:05:34.000 You got to realize, Andrew, they can't even go to the hospital.

01:05:36.000 If they go to the hospital and they have wounds or they've been marked as being participants in those protests, they will be killed at the hospital.

01:05:46.000 So there's underground clinics.

01:05:47.000 That's the reason why we've been getting medical supplies in because there's underground clinics because people cannot show up to the hospitals or they'll be killed as soon as they arrive.

01:05:55.000 Wow.

01:05:56.000 These are some videos that Robbie sent from, I believe, Dubai, which is crazy.

01:06:03.000 378.

01:06:05.000 This is actual explosions that they were able to see.

01:06:08.000 378, if you can throw that up.

01:06:12.000 It looks like a high-rise.

01:06:13.000 They were looking down where one of these missiles landed in a civilian area.

01:06:21.000 Pretty wild.

01:06:22.000 And you can see them in 377, actually the missiles coming down and tracking them.

01:06:29.000 I mean, just wild to see that in the skyline of Dubai, which is one of the most famous skylines in the world.

01:06:37.000 Just incredible.

01:06:38.000 Robbie, we're joined by Pastor Robbie Dawkins.

01:06:42.000 He's currently in Dubai, but he has a long history of doing ministry work in Iran and Pakistan, Afghanistan.

01:06:50.000 One of the things that people are not aware of culturally, I think the American public has an image of Persian people, maybe whether it's through movies or just an assumption.

01:07:03.000 But explain the difference between an Arab Muslim and a Persian Muslim or a Shia and Sunni.

01:07:09.000 I don't know how you want to break that down, but culturally, give us a sense of what they're like.

01:07:14.000 Are they pro-Western?

01:07:15.000 Are they anti-Western?

01:07:16.000 Is that too simplistic a framing?

01:07:18.000 Please.

01:07:19.000 Well, you definitely have the, you know, the Persian people are very warm to the Westernization and warm to the United States.

01:07:28.000 What you're seeing even back in the 70s with the students that were taking over and all that, so much of those were people that were from the outskirts.

01:07:36.000 They were from the country.

01:07:38.000 The majority of people that ended up leaving here, fleeing here, were leaving because they were having, you know, because the Shah had been overthrown and the government was overthrown.

01:07:50.000 Many of them worked in the government.

01:07:51.000 And so they had to flee for their lives.

01:07:53.000 Anybody with money, anything like that, they had to leave.

01:07:57.000 So the Muslim population, I actually have, I'm quite sure that the Christian population right now actually outnumbers the Muslim population.

01:08:09.000 I know that sounds extreme to say that, but I am in communication with numbers that are, they're extremely rough.

01:08:16.000 There's no way to calculate it and be precise, but that they're very, very strong.

01:08:22.000 And people are just sick of the Islamic Republic. 0.96

01:08:26.000 They're sick of Islam. 1.00

01:08:27.000 They believe it's all lies. 1.00

01:08:29.000 You have to realize, even Muhammad was questioning at the end if Allah was a demon or was actually God.

01:08:36.000 And he was struggling with that, even himself.

01:08:39.000 And so I will say, Robbie, that does sound extreme.

01:08:42.000 And I love you, but I doubt it.

01:08:45.000 But I have met a lot of Iranians, you know, whether they're living in the UK now or in Los Angeles that are actual Catholics or Christians.

01:08:56.000 So I don't doubt that there's a significant population.

01:08:58.000 One of the stories that sits in my mind is after Charlie was assassinated, you were telling me that you were doing evangelism in these countries.

01:09:07.000 I think it was Pakistan at that point, but I think it's similar in Iran.

01:09:11.000 And you were saying that Charlie, his legacy and his inspiration, his life just spurred on a ton of conversions.

01:09:20.000 Tell us some stories about that.

01:09:22.000 Yeah, we actually, we were in Hyderabad, Pakistan, and the police showed up.

01:09:29.000 And this, I had 300 people.

01:09:32.000 I was doing, we call them Acts, which is Arab Kingdom Training Schools, where we're training people how to live the book of Acts, ACTS, and step out to bring people into relationship with Christ.

01:09:45.000 And the police showed up and they came to the front.

01:09:49.000 I was up speaking.

01:09:51.000 And it's the first time I've seen this in Afghanistan.

01:09:53.000 I've been arrested four different times for the gospel, three times in Afghanistan, one time in Russia, and have been through all kinds of things, incarceration overnight for days, torture, different things like that.

01:10:05.000 But this is the first time I never saw any underground church leaders not run.

01:10:13.000 They stayed.

01:10:14.000 They were in place.

01:10:15.000 And I was shocked.

01:10:16.000 And then the next day, the secret police showed up.

01:10:18.000 Now, these are the guys that can torture you.

01:10:20.000 These are the guys that can come in and do all these horrible things.

01:10:23.000 I know because I was, you know, taken by the secret police in Afghanistan and held for several days.

01:10:29.000 But they didn't move.

01:10:31.000 And afterwards, I looked at them and I said, I've never seen people not run from the police or the secret police in these countries.

01:10:39.000 And I said, why is that?

01:10:40.000 And they said, Charlie Kirk.

01:10:43.000 And I said, what do you mean, Charlie Kirk?

01:10:46.000 And this is right after his assassination.

01:10:49.000 They said, when we saw that, we thought if that man could take a bullet and take his life be surrendered for Christ, then we can do it too.

01:11:00.000 And we have courage and we want to actually dedicate this school in Hyderabad to Charlie Kirk.

01:11:06.000 And it was just incredible.

01:11:08.000 They were just fearless.

01:11:09.000 And let me tell you something.

01:11:10.000 I've been in that situation before.

01:11:12.000 It's the first time I've never seen them young.

01:11:15.000 Most of these are like university student age young people.

01:11:20.000 And so I was blown away.

01:11:23.000 And they were so inspired.

01:11:24.000 They were so touched.

01:11:25.000 Just two days before the memorial service, you know, had aired, you know, for everyone to see.

01:11:33.000 And they were just, they were so committed by Charlie's willingness to put himself at risk, knowing that he could have been killed in Utah and yet going anyway.

01:11:42.000 And they were like, if he can do it, then we can do it.

01:11:44.000 We're going to step out in boldness for Christ as he did.

01:11:47.000 Yeah.

01:11:48.000 And that's amazing.

01:11:49.000 You know, we often think in terms of Charlie's legacy in the U.S. and rightfully so.

01:11:54.000 It really was a global event.

01:11:56.000 Even outside of Christianity, I remember the memorial service they held at a Sikh temple in the UK, I believe.

01:12:02.000 Wow.

01:12:03.000 Wow.

01:12:03.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 So it was, I'm hearing from the Iranians, they're inspired.

01:12:07.000 A matter of fact, I told several of them I was coming on with you.

01:12:11.000 They wish they could get the show, Charlie Kirk show, but they were like, man, please tell them we are so inspired by everything that we've seen by Charlie Kirk.

01:12:19.000 And they know you guys' names.

01:12:22.000 And they're very inspired by this encouraging program that's speaking to their generation.

01:12:29.000 That transcends nations.

01:12:31.000 It transcends spaces like that.

01:12:34.000 It really, really does.

01:12:35.000 People relate and they feel that sense of purpose that's being communicated and being given.

01:12:40.000 And they want that.

01:12:41.000 They want that for their lives.

01:12:43.000 Wow.

01:12:44.000 Robbie Dawkins, Pastor Robbie Dawkins, who I've known for years, has put his life on the line a lot to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Middle East, a place that you don't think is hospitable to it.

01:12:55.000 It's really not, actually, because you've been in some dangerous situations, Pastor.

01:13:02.000 So thank you for sharing, especially about Charlie's legacy in a place that we don't assume that's really powerful.

01:13:09.000 And please stay safe.

01:13:11.000 And I'll be in touch with you giving us updates from the ground in that neck of the woods.

01:13:17.000 So thank you, Pastor Robbie Dawkins.

01:13:19.000 God bless you, my friend.

01:13:20.000 It's an honor.

01:13:21.000 Thank you so much, Andrew.

01:13:22.000 All right.

01:13:23.000 We'll talk to you soon, brother.

01:13:24.000 We're getting called out by some people online.

01:13:26.000 We should mention it is primary day tomorrow in Texas.

01:13:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:31.000 We've got Paxton on the show tomorrow.

01:13:33.000 We're going to be talking all about it.

01:13:35.000 So please, yes, get out and vote.

01:13:37.000 You're in Texas.

01:13:38.000 Make your plans now.

01:13:39.000 Make sure it happens.

01:13:41.000 Yes, good.

01:13:42.000 We don't want to hear any of this nonsense about forgetting.

01:13:44.000 Yep.

01:13:44.000 It drove Charlie up the wall.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 02, 2026

Operation Epic Fury

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