The Charlie Kirk Show - "Our Best Days Are Still Ahead" — LIVE from Calvary Chapel Chattanooga with Pastor Frank Ramseur

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00:00:40.000 This is my conversation with Pastor Frank Ramsoor from Calvary Chapel Chattanooga.

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00:00:50.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:52.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:00:57.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:01.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:02.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:03.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:05.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:11.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:20.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:23.000 Great group.

00:01:24.000 Great to have you back.

00:01:26.000 We are really honored to have you back.

00:01:28.000 And you might not have seen when I had folks raise their hand, but I think a larger portion of the folks that are here tonight were not here when you were here two years ago.

00:01:38.000 So you're all in for a great treat.

00:01:41.000 But I want to say to you something publicly that I shared just briefly.

00:01:46.000 And that is it was about two years ago in a very peculiar time in my life where I was introduced to you, your podcast, to a much broader audience because of the kinds of people that you interact with.

00:02:01.000 I was introduced to all kinds of ideas that hadn't fully sort of formulated in my mind, but now I understand the wellspring of where those ideas come from.

00:02:10.000 So your own, and I would call what you do a ministry.

00:02:14.000 Whenever you're out dispensing truth that combats lies, I think that's a ministry.

00:02:19.000 So I know that Turning Point USA is this incredibly, you know, this incredible growing organization where you're taking conservative ideas that you and I both know have their origin in biblical ideas.

00:02:33.000 And you're passing these on to another generation.

00:02:36.000 And for that, we're all incredibly grateful.

00:02:39.000 But personally, you just may not have much of an idea of how much you have really impacted me, impacted me and this fellowship.

00:02:47.000 We've been introduced to some top-notch thinking men because of your influence and because of your courage and your boldness.

00:02:55.000 So I just want to say thank you publicly and keep doing what you're doing.

00:03:02.000 Stay safe.

00:03:04.000 We will.

00:03:07.000 Stay safe.

00:03:09.000 So two years ago, you were here about six weeks prior to the 2020 election.

00:03:16.000 We felt like we had to engage this congregation in a much more intentional way.

00:03:24.000 I think it was 2008.

00:03:26.000 I came to the church and said, you know, folks, I think it would be good if you vote with your Bibles open.

00:03:30.000 I thought that would be enough.

00:03:32.000 And then 2012 rolled around and I thought, well, after four years of that, like, folks, it would be good if you voted with your Bibles open.

00:03:39.000 And then that went the way that it went.

00:03:41.000 Then we got to 2016 and I thought to myself, some of the men that I were listening, that I was listening to at the time, one said, the 2016 election is the most consequential election the world had ever seen.

00:03:53.000 And I thought, not our country, but the world.

00:03:55.000 And I thought, okay.

00:03:57.000 I had just finished Eric Metaxas' book, If You Can Keep It.

00:04:02.000 Heard him speak live.

00:04:04.000 He was asked the question two days before the election.

00:04:07.000 What can we do?

00:04:08.000 And he goes, in two days, it might not matter.

00:04:11.000 There may be nothing to do.

00:04:12.000 This is where we're heading.

00:04:13.000 So we get to 2020, and I'm thinking we've got to get, we've got to try, as a pastor who's called not simply to lead people to faith, but to lead them to maturity, right?

00:04:26.000 To shepherd the flock.

00:04:27.000 I've got to help these folks think through these ideas.

00:04:31.000 I think I've been criticized for trying to tell people what to think.

00:04:34.000 I disagree completely.

00:04:35.000 I've been trying to say, let me introduce to you these ideas.

00:04:39.000 And then you make your own choice from there, spirit-filled, Bible-believing Christian.

00:04:44.000 You make your own choices from there.

00:04:46.000 So you came and spoke, and it was just that it was the kickoff to about a six, eight-week endeavor up to the election.

00:04:56.000 So here's my question for you.

00:04:58.000 And I don't know that I'm going to get the microphone back.

00:05:00.000 Okay.

00:05:03.000 So we got what we got with this election.

00:05:05.000 2020 is election.

00:05:07.000 We've got a new administration for how many months now?

00:05:11.000 16, 17.

00:05:13.000 Yeah.

00:05:15.000 So, yeah, too long.

00:05:16.000 So, so where are we at now, 16 months into this new administration?

00:05:23.000 What are you most concerned about?

00:05:25.000 Why should the church, what are a handful of things that you go, church, you should be concerned about this.

00:05:31.000 You might want to be concerned about this.

00:05:33.000 This also is a problem.

00:05:35.000 I mean, this is historically horrific.

00:05:39.000 You're right.

00:05:39.000 You'll never get the mic.

00:05:42.000 So, I mean, just give us an overview of where we are.

00:05:46.000 And again, what concerns you most?

00:05:50.000 Give us a few bright spots and then I'll just sit back and get away with that.

00:05:53.000 Well, look, first of all, what a wonderful pastor in a great church.

00:05:57.000 It's incredible.

00:05:58.000 So if this is not your church home, you should make it your church home.

00:06:05.000 This church is special.

00:06:06.000 And it's not easy to do events like this, but it's necessary.

00:06:10.000 And it equips believers to know what's happening in the world and what they can do about it.

00:06:15.000 Before we go any further, just want to make sure everyone knows I'm a Bible-believing Christian.

00:06:19.000 It's the most important thing in my life is my relationship with Jesus Christ.

00:06:22.000 I believe in the inherency of scripture.

00:06:25.000 I believe in the Nicene Creed.

00:06:27.000 I believe in the ministry, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

00:06:32.000 And it's the most important thing in my life.

00:06:34.000 And so everything we're going to talk about tonight goes through that prism, goes through that lens.

00:06:39.000 And I believe that if you have not given your life to Christ, I'd highly encourage you to do that.

00:06:42.000 We could talk about that later throughout this conversation.

00:06:45.000 So I think back to when we were here in September, October 2020.

00:06:49.000 And I think, boy, I'd give anything to go back to that period of time, right?

00:06:53.000 And what's so funny is if you go back and re-listen to our time together, I was saying, boy, I'd do anything to go back six months ago.

00:07:00.000 And it really is kind of this example of we really have no limit to how far we can destroy this beautiful country that we've been in, that we live in.

00:07:10.000 And so where are we at?

00:07:11.000 I mean, yeah, we're in trouble.

00:07:12.000 We know that.

00:07:13.000 I could go on endlessly about our porous open border, about the oligarchy running our public discourse, about inflation, about the ever-deteriorating rule of law in our country, the lawlessness from the people who are supposed to make laws themselves.

00:07:26.000 So I could go through all those things, happy to explore that.

00:07:29.000 But look, I'll take more of a kind of optimistic turn of what I think is happening because we could dwell on the problems all night and you could all add to them.

00:07:37.000 In fact, we'll have some question and answer, you know, CRT, you know, not being able to define what a woman is, like all this sort of stuff, right?

00:07:43.000 Very basic things.

00:07:45.000 But I'm starting to see a consolidation, though, and a very promising consolidation of forces that otherwise would not be working together for righteous biblical causes.

00:07:57.000 One, for example, is just the right to speak, which is obviously fundamental.

00:08:01.000 We as Christians believe we are the speaking beings.

00:08:04.000 So we believe we're made in God's image.

00:08:06.000 Every Christian believes that.

00:08:08.000 And so in the two, the one creation story told two different ways in Genesis and John, it says the same thing, that God spoke into existence.

00:08:15.000 So when we create, we speak.

00:08:17.000 Speech is fundamental to who we are.

00:08:19.000 When you lost your voice, literally, you're pretty irritated because that's how you create things.

00:08:24.000 Speech is how we reason.

00:08:25.000 It's how we communicate.

00:08:27.000 And if we're unable to speak in our society, in our civilization, I believe it makes us less human and easier to control.

00:08:33.000 And there's been an a lot of assault, both through corporations, through governments, through cultural pressures to shut us up.

00:08:39.000 Whether or not we are Christians, constitutionalists, patriots, whatever you might want to call us, there's been a concerted campaign to make it harder to be able to express our ideas.

00:08:48.000 So we're starting to see this unprecedented alliance, and I call it the winning team, the A team, team reality, whatever you want to call it, of people that have different political views, religious beliefs, but they're all contesting for moral righteousness, whether they know it or not.

00:09:03.000 And they're all opposing what I would consider to be demonic and satanic forces.

00:09:06.000 So here's kind of the, you kind of, you take a step back and it's necessary to do this.

00:09:11.000 Things are so bad and they're trending in the wrong direction so quickly.

00:09:14.000 People that otherwise would not be kind of together are starting to happen.

00:09:17.000 So you have the most popular podcaster ever, Joe Rogan, alongside the world's richest man, Elon Musk, alongside the number one cable television show ever, Tucker Carlson, alongside Bill Maher, who's like a smug, arrogant atheist comedian, all saying the same thing, that if we do not reject, repudiate this woke, secular, nonsensical, anti-reality agenda, it really does, none of the disagreements will matter because we're all going to live in kind of this technocratic dystopian nightmare.

00:09:45.000 And I look at that and I say, that is very similar in a lot of different ways.

00:09:49.000 You could use the analogy of King Cyrus, who was not a Christian, but did righteous things for the people of God, where we're starting to see this movement, and it's a material movement, it's philosophical, it's economic, where finally I think there is some massive pushback to what we have felt to be outnumbered for the last 10 or 15, 20 years.

00:10:10.000 So there's two steps to this, right?

00:10:11.000 The first step is identifying what is the clear and present danger, which is what you've asked.

00:10:15.000 So in kind of the hierarchy of what concerns me the most, obviously inflation, obviously gas prices, all that stuff, open borders is a immediate concern.

00:10:25.000 But I'm a little bit more worried about kind of like the civilizational turning issues, which is, and we use this colloquially like just the term woke, but it really is the biggest threat to our existence.

00:10:35.000 Like if we don't get this right, and if we do not completely kick out this idea that we should have black only dormitories and that men can become pregnant and like all these things, which is now a predominant view in elite society, then it really doesn't, inflation and gas prices will kind of be a secondary thing.

00:10:53.000 So, you know, we as believers, we live on team reality.

00:10:57.000 We don't just believe in truth.

00:10:58.000 We believe in the truth.

00:11:00.000 And so whenever reality is insulted publicly or politically, we should be insulted by that.

00:11:05.000 And we shouldn't put up with it.

00:11:06.000 So when you have someone that wants to go to the U.S. Supreme Court and she's asked a very basic question, hey, what is a woman? 0.76

00:11:13.000 And she says, I don't know.

00:11:14.000 I can't answer that.

00:11:15.000 I'm not a biologist.

00:11:16.000 And by the way, Tennessee's own Marsha Blackburn asked that question. 0.99

00:11:19.000 God bless her for doing that. 0.70

00:11:21.000 We should be like, wait a second, if you can't answer that question, then the more complex, more important things from that point forward, you won't even be able to decide from that perspective.

00:11:30.000 Here's where Christians in the church need to rise up.

00:11:33.000 And I think we're starting to see that, especially at this church, is that we have the truth.

00:11:38.000 And that includes truth from God created man and woman to, you know, the truth of, you know, Jesus Christ and what he did for us.

00:11:45.000 And yet so many Christians are dividing this, not you.

00:11:48.000 And they say, oh, okay, what's happening politically is different than what's happening religiously and spiritually.

00:11:52.000 And that is such, that's a sloppy and dare I say, satanic view of news.

00:11:57.000 They're exactly together.

00:11:58.000 I mean, do you think Satan rejoices or he is disappointed when someone says they can't tell you what a woman is?

00:12:05.000 Of course he wants that.

00:12:06.000 He wants confusion in every arena of life.

00:12:09.000 And so whether we like it or not, and some Christians say, well, Charlie, I don't like the politics thing.

00:12:13.000 Well, tough.

00:12:14.000 Like, that's, it's not up to you what you like.

00:12:16.000 It's what are you commanded to do?

00:12:18.000 And in Jeremiah 29, 7, it says that you need to demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:12:25.000 So are you caring about the nation that you are in?

00:12:28.000 Your county, your city, your state, your country?

00:12:31.000 And that, and the question is, all of you are, but a lot of churches and pastors like, I don't do that.

00:12:35.000 I just do the gospel.

00:12:36.000 We, you know, we do the TED Talk with the, you know, rock concert music, skinny jeans, nice shoes.

00:12:42.000 You get a pass, don't worry.

00:12:44.000 And it's okay.

00:12:50.000 He defied the stereotype.

00:12:52.000 It's fine.

00:12:56.000 And I'm just not going to talk about it anymore.

00:12:59.000 And a pastor at his best is what Frank is doing, what this church is doing, where they put Jesus Christ first, always.

00:13:10.000 And then they say, wait a second, what are the preconditions to make sure we could spread the gospel?

00:13:14.000 Are there any preconditions?

00:13:16.000 And this is what always bothers me about some of these non-political pastors.

00:13:19.000 I don't want to call them non-political, but they're just silent.

00:13:21.000 I mean, persecution is all throughout the Bible.

00:13:24.000 And yes, persecution is guaranteed for those of us that spread the gospel, of course.

00:13:28.000 But we learned in the book of Acts that you don't, when persecution comes your way, you should not act indifferently towards it, right?

00:13:37.000 You should actually try to create communities or structures or governments where religious freedom is able to be spread, especially you saw in Acts 5 that we're going to obey God and not man.

00:13:45.000 It's said so beautifully.

00:13:47.000 And so what I think has happened, though, is why the church has remained quiet, unfortunately, for the continuance since you and I were here this, you know, this last time, is that some are afraid because of some of the backlash.

00:13:57.000 Some are uncertain about how to talk about some of these things.

00:13:59.000 And it's a mixture of all of that.

00:14:01.000 But I'll kind of close on this and we can kind of riff back and forth on that question, which is despite all of that, there is some, I believe the spirit is moving with such high velocity right now and that people are rising up and the citizen, the regular everyday person, the plumber, the engineer, the mechanic, the police officer, the veteran, the mom that's showing up at school board meetings.

00:14:22.000 Finally, ownership of the country is being demanded back.

00:14:26.000 It's like, I actually want to be in charge of what happens in our nation and I'm not going to put up with some unelected health bureaucrat continually telling me what I can and cannot do.

00:14:36.000 I'm not going to put up with that anymore.

00:14:37.000 And I'm really pleased to see that.

00:14:40.000 So one of the great, I could go to the greatest threat.

00:14:43.000 The woke thing has to be rejected.

00:14:45.000 It has to be rejected at the ballot box, at your local schools, at every single turn.

00:14:50.000 If we don't get this right, then everything else downstream will be ruined.

00:14:56.000 Satan would love nothing more than having your five-year-olds believe that they could change their gender at a win. 0.99

00:15:02.000 The enemy would love nothing more to believe that there's no such thing as absolute truth.

00:15:06.000 Love nothing more than divide people based on the melanin content in their skin, which is completely irrelevant.

00:15:11.000 I couldn't care less about the skin color of somebody and you shouldn't either. 1.00

00:15:14.000 People that care about the skin color of people are racist.

00:15:16.000 We have words for those people.

00:15:18.000 You shouldn't care about it.

00:15:19.000 And so this is where the church shouldn't just, it's not like a suggestion.

00:15:23.000 It actually is an imperative.

00:15:24.000 Here's how it works.

00:15:25.000 If the church does nothing, the civilization falls apart.

00:15:28.000 And one of the greatest gifts to mankind, the United States of America, will be in the history book as something that used to exist.

00:15:34.000 If the church rises up and starts to get engaged, get involved like it is here in this church, local level, state level, proclaiming truth and righteousness, America, I think our best days are still ahead.

00:15:45.000 And even if you don't believe that, even if you're like, hey, Charlie, I think Jesus is coming next Thursday.

00:15:50.000 It's the end times, then you're still biblically commanded to occupy till he comes, to be salt and light and to contest at every corner, regardless of the headwinds against you.

00:16:03.000 So when you talk about the sort of this woke ideology that is the great threat that we've got to push back on, we have been talking about it.

00:16:11.000 You referenced both Genesis and John.

00:16:14.000 We talked about the fact that, you know, in the beginning, as we taught through John chapter one, in the beginning, it was the word, the word was with God.

00:16:21.000 And so, and was God.

00:16:23.000 And so we've been talking about the fact that whether it is, so what we're dealing with is in a simple assault on words, right?

00:16:31.000 That's right.

00:16:32.000 Just a simple assault on words.

00:16:32.000 Right.

00:16:33.000 So now a man isn't a woman, a woman isn't a man. 1.00

00:16:35.000 This is all gets, you know, incredibly confusing, confusing.

00:16:38.000 Can you walk us through?

00:16:40.000 So I had one of my staff members came to me the other day and we were talking about this sort of woke ideology and he goes, what is woke?

00:16:46.000 Sure.

00:16:47.000 And so maybe just, could you maybe, when you maybe unpack a few of the buzzwords that you find in corporations, that you find everywhere in the community, so that people can understand, like, oh, that's actually tied to this thing that we must defeat.

00:17:07.000 I'm so glad you asked that because I sometimes go so fast.

00:17:10.000 I just assume everyone knows.

00:17:11.000 And so let's just talk where the word came from.

00:17:14.000 The word is a filler term that just caught on, okay?

00:17:16.000 No one who's woke actually calls themselves woke, okay?

00:17:20.000 Except one protester that wore a shirt.

00:17:22.000 I can't remember his name.

00:17:23.000 He was an anti-police guy, and he had a shirt called woke.

00:17:26.000 And then there was a thing on Twitter in 2016, 17, and 18, basically being called get woke.

00:17:32.000 And it was a short-term phrase to say that you have to awaken to all the injustice, all the racism, and all the suffering, and therefore you are woke.

00:17:42.000 Okay.

00:17:42.000 Now we have actually turned that into a pejorative that no one wants to be called woke anymore.

00:17:48.000 That's a good thing, just so you know.

00:17:49.000 So it went from like a label of kind of I'm cool to like no one wants to be called that anymore.

00:17:55.000 So just so you understand, these are people that at the fundamental level believe in deconstructionism.

00:18:00.000 We'll talk about that.

00:18:01.000 They believe in postmodernism.

00:18:02.000 We'll talk about that.

00:18:04.000 And then critical race theory, which we'll talk about.

00:18:06.000 But my friend James Lindsay was here who does a much better job on the CRT issue than I ever could.

00:18:10.000 In fact, I've learned so much from him, but we'll touch a little bit about that.

00:18:13.000 So first, deconstructionism.

00:18:15.000 There's deconstructionists in everything.

00:18:17.000 There's deconstructionist Christians. 1.00

00:18:19.000 In fact, you probably know some pastors that are telling you to stop reading the Old Testament and that, you know, maybe it's not what it says it is.

00:18:27.000 In the heart of deconstructionism is it's not analytical.

00:18:31.000 It is by definition, it's arsonistic.

00:18:34.000 It's trying to take apart what is the truth of what is being said and trying to poke holes and trying to say what you think is true is actually not true.

00:18:44.000 Now, this is a very dangerous game to play, especially with young people because they don't really know much as it is, right?

00:18:49.000 So if you're trying to teach deconstructionism to a fifth grader, there's really not much to deconstruct.

00:18:54.000 In reality, you're just creating endless doubt about any sort of thing they might believe in.

00:18:59.000 Now, deconstructionism can be helpful in elevated legal circles or for pastors that are trying to get, you know, get through seminary to really challenge to see if they really believe what they believe.

00:19:11.000 But deconstructionism is a tool of the enemy.

00:19:14.000 It's questions of persecution and mockery and things that we're not always expected or not always able to answer at face value.

00:19:21.000 I'll give you a great example, which is it's the nagging voice in your ear.

00:19:24.000 How do you know the Bible's true?

00:19:25.000 Come on, they're old documents.

00:19:26.000 Who's to say they say what they say?

00:19:28.000 Come on, God isn't real.

00:19:29.000 That's deconstructionism at its core, right?

00:19:31.000 The constant nagging, never satisfied questioning of trying to debase what you know is true.

00:19:38.000 Now, if you actually go back to what words mean, which is, I'm so glad you mentioned it, Satan, satan, in Hebrew, literally means prosecutor, right?

00:19:46.000 It means someone who taunts, someone who is trying to attack you.

00:19:49.000 So that idea of deconstructionism is literally in the Hebrew term of Satan.

00:19:54.000 So that's deconstructionism.

00:19:55.000 Woke also is postmodernism.

00:19:58.000 We don't have to spend too much time on this.

00:20:00.000 If you're interested, you can ask more questions about it.

00:20:02.000 Postmodernism came from the Frankfurt School in Germany.

00:20:06.000 It is a neo-Marxist belief.

00:20:09.000 Basically, it came with a guy by the name of Jacques Derrida into America, French guy, who was, and also a group of others, Michelle Foucault and I'm trying to think who else.

00:20:22.000 Herbert Marcuse was the German guy who brought it over.

00:20:24.000 Thank you, who brought it in.

00:20:26.000 And it's a belief that what we are now in the modern age, but we need to now go into the postmodern age, right?

00:20:33.000 So if you look prior to Enlightenment, they would say that would be antiquity, and then there's modernity, and then there's postmodernity.

00:20:41.000 And they would get as fundamental to say that men and women are, there's no differences between the two of them, that good and evil is merely an opinion, very outright.

00:20:51.000 Now, you might say, who could believe something as nonsensical as this?

00:20:54.000 Go to the University of Tennessee.

00:20:55.000 I could show you plenty of people that believe something.

00:20:58.000 This is taught institutionally now in our schools.

00:21:02.000 So postmodernism is very dangerous.

00:21:04.000 It is neo-Marxist at its core, and it's a philosophical, it's a philosophical movement underneath all of it.

00:21:10.000 Then finally, critical race theory, which is to believe that racism is everywhere.

00:21:13.000 It's normative, that you're all racist without even realizing it, that the only way to get rid of racism is to now be in order to get rid of discrimination that used to happen, you need discrimination today.

00:21:25.000 And so the term woke is kind of a catch-all term of all these things.

00:21:29.000 Now, the way that I am framing it, though, is that we have two teams.

00:21:33.000 I don't like binary choices, but guess what?

00:21:35.000 The Bible is binary, okay?

00:21:37.000 So the Bible is you go to heaven or you not.

00:21:39.000 You don't, right?

00:21:40.000 You believe in Jesus or you don't, right?

00:21:41.000 Unfortunately, there's some binary choices in life, okay?

00:21:44.000 You believe in God or you do not believe in God.

00:21:46.000 So the way that we have to frame it is we have team reality, right?

00:21:50.000 And then you have team woke, team insanity, whatever you want to call them, right?

00:21:53.000 And so team reality, these are people that believe that you don't get to like wish the existence just because you say it.

00:22:00.000 Like a really easy example economically, money does not create wealth, okay?

00:22:04.000 Printing dollar bills does not create wealth.

00:22:06.000 We all know this to be true.

00:22:08.000 Yet the regime in Washington, D.C. is like, there's another $6 trillion and things will get better.

00:22:13.000 That's not living on team reality, right?

00:22:15.000 In fact, we admit, we have the humility that we are tied to the pesky shackles of reality, those little pesky shackles that are always keeping us down.

00:22:23.000 Like, actually, yes, we do believe that the laws of gravity are going to prevent us from flying, right?

00:22:29.000 We do believe in certain natural laws.

00:22:32.000 And so with an examination of the founding fathers, which is just so amazing, and they don't teach this in our schools at all.

00:22:38.000 And when they teach it, they don't teach it well at all, which is the founding fathers versus the French Revolution.

00:22:43.000 In the Declaration, they said we are bound to the laws of nature and nature is God, that there's limitations to what we can do.

00:22:50.000 So there's certainly going to be limitations to the type of government we try to create.

00:22:54.000 The current kind of apparatus, because they've all been educated at these hyper-elite institutions, they believe that there's no limit to them as long as you keep on giving them power, right?

00:23:07.000 That we can re-engineer human beings themselves, which goes to a more fundamental question about what the church should engage in on this topic and this issue, which is what is the raw material that you're dealing with, right?

00:23:20.000 So when you're dealing with human beings, then you should know from the outset you're dealing with rather flawed raw material.

00:23:28.000 The Bible tells us that rather bluntly.

00:23:30.000 This is not something that's debated in Christian circles.

00:23:33.000 We believe in original sin.

00:23:35.000 We believe we need Jesus Christ for our salvation.

00:23:37.000 And we believe that we're going to keep on sinning and we need to keep on coming back to him for redemption.

00:23:42.000 That is not a debated topic.

00:23:44.000 And yet, for whatever reason, so many churches remain silent on one of the most important issues, which is, do you believe human beings are naturally good or naturally bad?

00:23:53.000 This is what is defining almost all of our political decisions, by the way.

00:23:56.000 If you believe human beings are naturally good, which is an insane thing to believe, then you have to explain all the suffering.

00:24:04.000 How do they explain the suffering?

00:24:06.000 Well, it's capitalism's fault.

00:24:07.000 It's borders' fault. 0.98

00:24:09.000 It's gender norm's fault. 1.00

00:24:11.000 They're always blaming the external.

00:24:14.000 Whereas we, as Christians, should be like, no, no, no, you got a soul problem.

00:24:18.000 You got a spirit problem here.

00:24:20.000 Not just not a civilization can have some changes, but you need to get right with Jesus before we're talking about abolishing capitalism.

00:24:26.000 Like, okay, like go to church, right?

00:24:29.000 Or start to improve your own life.

00:24:31.000 Now, this is a really important distinction because when you have an entire political movement that is all about blaming the external and not about the refinement of who you actually are as a person, the consequences that follow are rather dramatic and extreme.

00:24:46.000 And that's something where I think some pastors could easily give that sermon and they just refuse to.

00:24:50.000 I'm not so sure I have my guesses.

00:24:50.000 Why?

00:24:52.000 So anyway, that term woke is kind of a catch-all term for all those sorts of things.

00:24:56.000 So here's a good test.

00:24:58.000 If you look at it and it makes no sense, it's woke.

00:25:01.000 Okay?

00:25:02.000 So it's just a very, it's a very easy catch-all term.

00:25:06.000 Okay.

00:25:06.000 So you're like, wow, I don't think men can menstruate.

00:25:10.000 Woke.

00:25:11.000 Why are there black-only dormitories at Western Washington University?

00:25:11.000 Huh?

00:25:16.000 Isn't that segregation?

00:25:17.000 Woke.

00:25:18.000 Like, why is it that United Airlines says that the pilots they're going to be hiring, 50% of them, are going to be black pilots and they're going to elevate skin color above whether or not they're a good pilot.

00:25:30.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:25:31.000 And that certainly doesn't make me want to fly United anytime soon.

00:25:34.000 Nothing against black pilots.

00:25:36.000 No one has a, I just want people that can land the plane that are selected to be a pilot because they're a good pilot.

00:25:41.000 Like just basic things.

00:25:43.000 Like that's probably not going to end well.

00:25:44.000 Like when you go in for heart surgery, I guarantee you you're not asking, you know, whether or not your doctor satisfied the diversity, equity, inclusion guidelines of, you know, the local BLM chapter.

00:25:56.000 That's probably not going to be a priority for you.

00:25:59.000 And when you elevate diversity over competency, you can start to see when these things start to fall apart.

00:26:05.000 You're like, yeah, that's probably not smart.

00:26:07.000 And I believe anyone can succeed at any position, obviously.

00:26:11.000 But when you mandate it, you're like, that's probably not going to be sustainable.

00:26:15.000 And by the way, this is bad in the clouds, like bad in the abstract.

00:26:20.000 But then let's talk about how it's bad in the streets, okay?

00:26:23.000 So the movement that I opposed from day one, which is BLM, you know, post all the Floyd stuff in the summer of 2020, what do they have to show for? 0.85

00:26:32.000 Well, before BLM, about 5,500 blacks were getting killed in the streets across America.

00:26:38.000 Post-BLM, 7,800 blacks are now being killed every single year in the streets.

00:26:42.000 So 2,000 more.

00:26:44.000 So they had a full monopoly over the American political discourse, right?

00:26:48.000 Defund the police.

00:26:49.000 Everything is racist.

00:26:50.000 Okay, we shortened police funding.

00:26:53.000 We defunded them in a lot of districts.

00:26:54.000 We pulled them away.

00:26:56.000 What's the result? 0.98

00:26:57.000 More blacks dead than before. 1.00

00:27:00.000 And so we, of course, tried to warn about this and all this.

00:27:02.000 It's called the Ferguson effect, right?

00:27:04.000 Where, believe it or not, criminals are going to keep on committing crimes.

00:27:07.000 In fact, they're going to commit more crimes so you don't have police on the streets.

00:27:10.000 And so this is why I say the woke thing is the mind virus.

00:27:15.000 It is a pathogen. 0.99

00:27:16.000 It is a cancer.

00:27:17.000 I could use any one of these filler terms.

00:27:19.000 I cannot overstate how big of a threat this is.

00:27:21.000 I can't.

00:27:22.000 Because you see it just in the black death statistics. 0.97

00:27:25.000 And here's the thing, because it's not rooted to reality, there will be no stopping it once it's implemented, right?

00:27:32.000 It will, by definition, only destroy when the snake eats itself.

00:27:36.000 That's the only, when, when rock bottom will be just a complete and total just devastation of all of civilization and society.

00:27:44.000 So I can go about how we can defeat it, which I think is actually easier than people realize.

00:27:48.000 But you mentioned another thing, which I think is really important.

00:27:51.000 How they describe it is a lot different than how I describe it.

00:27:54.000 This, right?

00:27:55.000 Which is totally different, right?

00:27:56.000 And this is, this is what I love.

00:27:58.000 I call them, I call them the tolerance Taliban, right? 1.00

00:28:02.000 Which is, you know, you must tolerate me or I was going to bomb your village. 0.99

00:28:06.000 Okay.

00:28:06.000 Like, really?

00:28:08.000 That's so tolerant of you.

00:28:09.000 And they don't say it that way, but it's awfully close, right?

00:28:12.000 They're the most tolerant people in the world that are the ones that are trying to shut people up.

00:28:17.000 And it's, I'll give you a great example, right?

00:28:19.000 It's like forced tolerance.

00:28:21.000 And there's this whole idea of tolerance and whether or not, you know, we should embrace tolerance or not.

00:28:26.000 I have a contrarian view on that.

00:28:28.000 I'm not a big fan of tolerance or the English, what it actually means.

00:28:31.000 Separate topic if you want to get into it.

00:28:32.000 But so I tweet out something about how the undersecretary for health used to be a man and then thinks he's a woman or whatever, right?

00:28:40.000 Twitter bans me because forced tolerance, right?

00:28:43.000 We must punish the non-believers. 1.00

00:28:45.000 I'm like, wow, the tolerance crowd is like really willing to use force if you say something that might be out of alignment with their hyper-specific, super radical, like dark worldview.

00:28:58.000 But they use these words.

00:28:59.000 Tolerance is one of them. 0.62

00:29:00.000 Diversity, equity, inclusion is another.

00:29:03.000 Anti-racism is one of them.

00:29:05.000 And they're really, really good at branding.

00:29:08.000 And these are catch-all terms.

00:29:10.000 They're so agreeable, right?

00:29:12.000 Like who would possibly want to be against anti-racism, right? 0.93

00:29:15.000 I mean, anyone who would oppose that, you just probably are an awful person.

00:29:20.000 And so I think we're actually getting a lot better at branding on our side, right?

00:29:23.000 When we're talking about like parents' rights and all this sort of stuff, I think we're getting a lot better at that.

00:29:27.000 But when you go a level deeper, these nice bumper sticker sound bites, these things that they use, have incredibly malevolent intent and purposes, right?

00:29:36.000 And so like this one that they're using now in Florida, where they're like, we want to protect transgender children.

00:29:42.000 It's like, okay, no, you don't, first of all, okay.

00:29:44.000 That's not even close.

00:29:46.000 You're like super worried that a five-year-old isn't hearing about gender transition opportunities as if it's like a career fair, right?

00:29:53.000 Like you're going around to five-year-olds like, hey, you know, you could change your gender too.

00:29:56.000 Like, really?

00:29:57.000 And like, they're giving up puberty blockers all across the country without parental consent.

00:30:02.000 And God bless Ron DeSantis for holding the line.

00:30:04.000 I mean, he's just been so unbelievable on what's happened in Florida.

00:30:07.000 It's just incredible.

00:30:09.000 So, but this is a mind virus.

00:30:13.000 And we're all like super experts in viruses now, right?

00:30:15.000 Yeah.

00:30:16.000 And so I could talk about how we can inoculate ourselves against this virus.

00:30:16.000 Great.

00:30:21.000 But it goes showing, though, that the major places of power in America, they've all been captured by this virus.

00:30:29.000 The cancer, the tumor has metastasized.

00:30:32.000 Disney, Goldman Sachs, every major college and university, the CIA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Harvard, the New York Times, CNN.

00:30:41.000 But here's, and if you go a level deeper, and we cover this on our podcast, is that again, when we believe in those pesky shackles of reality, right?

00:30:49.000 We believe what goes up must come down.

00:30:51.000 We believe in the second law of thermodynamics, which is the inevitable law of decay.

00:30:55.000 And so what ends up happening when you go woke?

00:30:58.000 Yeah, like CNN Plus has been around for like 21 days and now they're, they just scrapped the entire thing.

00:31:03.000 Like, it's not going to happen.

00:31:06.000 And, you know, Netflix comes out and Netflix literally two weeks ago, they came out with a new special saying that he's expecting the pregnant man.

00:31:14.000 Netflix's stock is down 38% of trade in the last 24 hours.

00:31:19.000 And so there is this check and balance, right?

00:31:23.000 Disney is experiencing huge backlash.

00:31:25.000 They're going to get $200 million of their special tax loopholes rescinded in Florida.

00:31:29.000 A lot of people are no longer using Disney Plus.

00:31:32.000 And so what I'm saying, though, is that the virus that they've implemented in these institutions is actually wildly unpopular with you, with normal people.

00:31:42.000 And I think there's going to be this incredibly unexpected check and balance against this almost invasion of what we know to be good, true, and beautiful in our country.

00:31:54.000 Well said.

00:31:54.000 Good.

00:31:55.000 Something that we're, maybe just take a brief moment on this because you spend so much time on college campuses and you're dealing with, you spoke at length last time about Yes, exactly, which was fantastic.

00:32:08.000 I meant it was eye-opening for a lot of people.

00:32:11.000 But one of the things that we're dealing with here in our community is, so let's, let's, when you say that the way you speak about woke ideology is very different than those who don't want to be called woke, but are speak about these things.

00:32:26.000 So can you provide a practical, is there any practical angle?

00:32:35.000 So we've heard here recently, even in some of our own schools here, that we're going to talk about critical race theory as the Southern Baptist Conventions decided to sort of keep it.

00:32:45.000 Listen, for a training tool.

00:32:48.000 Can you just sort of unpack that a little bit?

00:32:50.000 And maybe there's a parent here who's starting to discover that their school is beginning to head down this sort of path.

00:32:59.000 Give us some guidance on that.

00:33:01.000 I always, I laugh because we experience all this stuff, right?

00:33:04.000 And some parents say, well, or school board members that are woke, they'll say, look, we need to expose kids to CRT and we need to get them exposed to us.

00:33:14.000 So like, do you think doctors should like go through a course in bloodletting?

00:33:14.000 Like, really?

00:33:18.000 Like, do you think that, you know, if we're going to try to, like, if we're going to try to create astronauts, should we like introduce them to the flat earth theory as well?

00:33:27.000 I mean, is that what we're doing now?

00:33:29.000 Like, well, we need to have a buffet of every idea that's possibly out there, right?

00:33:33.000 No, of course, that's insane.

00:33:34.000 You don't, you don't teach things that are not true to people you care about, especially precious young people that are going to be the inheritors of this nation.

00:33:42.000 And so, look, there are some big tells.

00:33:44.000 There's like 10 questions you can ask.

00:33:46.000 I could spot a woke person very easily, right?

00:33:48.000 It's very simple.

00:33:49.000 Like, do you wear a mask when you shower?

00:33:51.000 Like, it's very, very.

00:33:56.000 That's the first one.

00:33:57.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:34:00.000 And no, but like some other ones, which is very simple, right?

00:34:03.000 Which is like, do you think skin color matters? 0.98

00:34:05.000 It's a very simple introductory one.

00:34:07.000 Do you think skin color matters? 1.00

00:34:09.000 Do you think what matters more to you?

00:34:11.000 What can be changed or what cannot be changed?

00:34:15.000 So we as Christians, we as constitutionalists believe what can be changed is far more important.

00:34:20.000 If you don't believe that, you're not a Christian.

00:34:22.000 It's that simple.

00:34:23.000 We believe that you must give your life to Christ and that being saved is a decision.

00:34:27.000 It's a choice.

00:34:28.000 And therefore, what can be changed is more important, right?

00:34:31.000 How many times do we say at the altar call, it's not who you were, it's not who your father was, not what you did.

00:34:36.000 It's the decision you're going to make today.

00:34:38.000 That is inherent in Christianity.

00:34:39.000 And by the way, that's the promise for all of us, isn't it?

00:34:42.000 That you could be better, that you can improve, that you can get closer to Creator.

00:34:45.000 Like, that's the coolest thing ever to be able to brag about and to be able to bring other people to be able to do themselves.

00:34:52.000 CRT does the opposite.

00:34:53.000 Wokeism does the opposite.

00:34:54.000 It's an overemphasis on what you cannot change.

00:34:56.000 Skin color, background, history, family name, who your father was.

00:35:00.000 None of that stuff matters to God.

00:35:01.000 None of it.

00:35:02.000 And in fact, that was neither slave nor Greek nor Jew.

00:35:04.000 You're all one, free in Jesus Christ.

00:35:07.000 That's number one.

00:35:07.000 Number two, a more kind of blunt one is, do you care more about things you can see or things you can't see?

00:35:15.000 And we as Christians believe more in things you can't see with your eyes.

00:35:18.000 We care more about your soul and your spirit.

00:35:20.000 Now, you can see them over a period of time through actions and through word choice and all of that, but do you believe you should be able to judge someone within 10 seconds of meeting them?

00:35:20.000 Example.

00:35:28.000 I say absolutely not.

00:35:30.000 The woke believe they could have you all figured out based on just the color of your skin as soon as you walk in.

00:35:35.000 I think that's wrong.

00:35:36.000 It's immoral.

00:35:36.000 It's against everything we believe.

00:35:38.000 If you want to go into a caste system where they're like, hey, you're that color, therefore you're that person, and that's what you mean to me. 0.93

00:35:43.000 That's a completely different system of government.

00:35:45.000 It's anti-biblical and it's anti-West. 0.92

00:35:47.000 So those are two good framings, right?

00:35:48.000 Do you believe in things you can change versus you can't change, visible versus invisible, right?

00:35:53.000 And are we creating an educational culture that values the things that could be changed and the invisible versus things that can't be changed versus the visible?

00:36:00.000 The answer is no.

00:36:02.000 Most school districts are elevating the opposite, which is creating a bunch of super depressed, like kind of quasi-racist kids.

00:36:11.000 And now I'd be surprised, but it's like, if you're just thinking about skin color all the time, you're going to create more racism.

00:36:17.000 It just, and by, it's going to be anti-white racism or any sort of other type of racism that might spring from it.

00:36:22.000 But there's other kind of questions you can ask of the woke.

00:36:25.000 And this is another one, which is like, do you believe an absolute truth?

00:36:29.000 And if they say no, then you should respond like, do you believe that absolutely, right?

00:36:33.000 So, which is like the great inherent contradiction of the deconstructionists, right?

00:36:38.000 I don't know what I believe or what I am.

00:36:39.000 Like, maybe you should get that figured out before you run for school board, probably, right?

00:36:43.000 Like that, probably be able to, you know, tell me if North is actually North before you're telling our kids whether or not, you know, what they should believe and how they should believe it.

00:36:53.000 But yeah, look, here, and we, I'm happy to go through this.

00:36:55.000 I'm happy to, you know, reference some other guides of like how to spite, how to spot a wokey from at least 100 yards away, right? 1.00

00:37:03.000 And by the way, wokeys are, they're opportunities, right? 1.00

00:37:08.000 People are not obstacles, they're opportunities, right?

00:37:10.000 We should look at them that way.

00:37:12.000 You should have grace with them.

00:37:13.000 You should have compassion with them.

00:37:14.000 But also, there's a difference between them as a person and which we should totally look at that as like, wow, I want to help you and all that.

00:37:21.000 And then what they do with power.

00:37:22.000 That's two different things, right?

00:37:24.000 And so it's one thing if you just kind of like a woke person showing up to church, asking questions, all that awesome opportunity.

00:37:29.000 It's another thing where that wokey is like, I'm now going to be mayor and you're going to live under my like, no, okay, now you've crossed the line.

00:37:35.000 Now you're allowing your like perverse, satanic, demonic ideas to now be applied to everybody else.

00:37:40.000 That's where I'm going to draw the line.

00:37:41.000 Does that make sense?

00:37:42.000 So two totally different things.

00:37:43.000 Opportunity, then it's like, okay, now you're going to all of a sudden make me live under this sort of like weird quasi-tyranny where you're going to, I don't know how bad it is in Chattanooga.

00:37:52.000 You could tell me with some of this stuff.

00:37:54.000 I know that in other states and cities across the country, it's gotten totally out of control, whether it be black-only schools now in Portland, right, defunded the police, like all this stuff that's just so crazy.

00:38:04.000 So yeah, I think that's some important nuance to pack into it.

00:38:08.000 But look, this is the fight of this generation.

00:38:10.000 I hope that you all realize that.

00:38:13.000 I know this is a shock to somebody.

00:38:14.000 I say this, the media loses their mind.

00:38:17.000 I don't like Vladimir Putin. 1.00

00:38:18.000 He's a scumbag, all that sort of stuff. 1.00

00:38:19.000 But the American woke community is a far bigger threat to you and your grandchildren than Vladimir Putin. 1.00

00:38:24.000 It's not even close.

00:38:26.000 It is a far bigger threat.

00:38:27.000 And people don't want to say that out loud.

00:38:29.000 It's like not even, it's not even remotely close.

00:38:31.000 And I'll prove it to you, okay?

00:38:33.000 If the woke get their way, which they are, they're infiltrating our military, who's going to go fight Vladimir Putin exactly?

00:38:39.000 It's like, oh, it's my opinion that missile might fire.

00:38:39.000 Like, right?

00:38:43.000 Really, that's instilling confidence.

00:38:45.000 Just so you know, CRT is all throughout the military.

00:38:48.000 It's all throughout Central Command.

00:38:49.000 It has infected every single tenant.

00:38:51.000 And so this is something that we have to defeat.

00:38:55.000 We could talk about how to do that, which I think, do you want me to touch on that?

00:38:59.000 Okay.

00:39:00.000 So look, the question is, does the Bible tell us anything about how to defeat lies?

00:39:06.000 And this is the other thing.

00:39:07.000 So if you believe wokeism, again, that term I don't love, but let's just call it for what it is, is evil.

00:39:13.000 What does the Bible say about evil?

00:39:14.000 Well, there's this wonderful verse in Psalms, I believe, where it says, if you love God, you must hate evil, which is like my verse to justify everything I do every single day.

00:39:25.000 It's like, I'm commanded to do this.

00:39:27.000 Like, it's great.

00:39:28.000 And we should hate evil.

00:39:29.000 And you think about it, not everyone hates evil.

00:39:33.000 I know it's pretty obvious, right?

00:39:35.000 But that's actually not.

00:39:37.000 Most people actually are okay with evil as long as it pays them.

00:39:41.000 Hey, if it pays the bills, I'm okay with evil.

00:39:43.000 As long as it doesn't put me in prison, I'm okay with evil.

00:39:45.000 You're supposed to hate evil regardless of the circumstances.

00:39:49.000 That's a high bar.

00:39:51.000 That's a big threshold, isn't it?

00:39:53.000 And so, look, the Bible tells us a couple of things.

00:39:56.000 And we have to be willing to tell us, we have to be willing to pay a price for the journey that we're on against these sort of ideas and against this ideology.

00:40:08.000 There is kind of this fairy tale that's told a lot of Christians that we're somehow going to win this battle and you're going to be able to keep everything the way it is. 0.93

00:40:16.000 No, you're going to have to lose something.

00:40:18.000 Lose friendships, lose relationships, lose business contracts, lose social credibility.

00:40:23.000 Now, you'll get all of that back and then some, because the Lord will bless courage, but it's very, very necessary.

00:40:30.000 And then there's other things we have to do to defeat this.

00:40:32.000 We're already seeing this with Elon Musk and we're seeing this Rogan and all of the Elon has it right.

00:40:37.000 Elon is, look, I'm going to just buy the most important marketplace for ideas, and that's how I'm going to defeat this mind virus.

00:40:45.000 And look, I got a lot of problems with Elon.

00:40:47.000 Does way too much business in China.

00:40:48.000 His Neuralink stuff is all wrong.

00:40:49.000 However, I think we should applaud when the world's richest man decides to come in and just cause a total chaos for these censors.

00:40:56.000 That's what I love it.

00:40:57.000 I love the entire part.

00:40:58.000 I love it.

00:40:59.000 It's terrific.

00:41:00.000 And so that's part of it.

00:41:02.000 So we have to create new things.

00:41:04.000 We have to take new risks.

00:41:06.000 And then it's going to take a willing citizenry and population to be, to kick these ideas out of public discourse and differentiate the person from the idea and have zero tolerance whatsoever for the idea.

00:41:21.000 And that's where that idea of tolerance, I really bother.

00:41:24.000 People say, Charlie, where's your tolerance?

00:41:26.000 And I always ask, like, should some ideas be tolerated?

00:41:30.000 And they say, oh, all ideas should be tolerated.

00:41:32.000 Like, really?

00:41:33.000 So you think like the Greeks idea of child pedophilia, which was institutionalized at the highest level, that idea should be tolerated? 0.97

00:41:39.000 Of course, not no one believes that.

00:41:40.000 And if you do, then there's a whole political party for you that you could go join, right?

00:41:46.000 And I wish that was an exaggeration, but that's what they're now saying.

00:41:49.000 The decriminalization of pedophilia is a massive push in the American left.

00:41:53.000 It's happening in California.

00:41:54.000 It's happening all across the country.

00:41:56.000 So yeah, that's part of it.

00:41:58.000 And then this is something where Christians get really uneasy. 0.80

00:42:00.000 And I'll be very honest.

00:42:02.000 This is not uneasy for me.

00:42:04.000 We have to be willing to win and we have to be willing to get into the arena and dust ourselves up a little bit.

00:42:09.000 And this is something where Christians think like, well, look, you know, I don't want to get into the combat of all of this. 0.99

00:42:15.000 And look, it might not be for you, but I can say comfortably, I have not, I've many times I've said things I regret and I've definitely sinned in some of my commentary about, you know, some of our American political leaders.

00:42:28.000 But I could say that in my conscious, deliberate actions, I have not done anything in this battle that I would consider to be unethical or what these other people do.

00:42:38.000 My biggest problem is like basically insulting people that are destroying my country.

00:42:42.000 I struggle with it.

00:42:42.000 If you listen to my podcast, I have to hold myself back.

00:42:45.000 But people, that does not mean we have to all of a sudden do the lie cheating and stealing that they do in order to win.

00:42:51.000 Okay.

00:42:52.000 In fact, I believe that God will bless our victory if we just do the one thing that is necessary, be courageous and be willing to lose something, right?

00:42:59.000 So we got to get in the arena.

00:43:01.000 That's what's necessary.

00:43:02.000 And that requires the not so happy message of you might lose something.

00:43:07.000 That's we talked recently about two enemies that the church faces, no doubt culture faces.

00:43:14.000 And one, I think, is worse than the other.

00:43:17.000 And you've highlighted the, in a sense, the sort of existential crisis that woke ideology poses to civilization.

00:43:29.000 But what would you say is worse, wokeness or weakness?

00:43:32.000 Oh, wow.

00:43:33.000 So if we've got to find courage.

00:43:36.000 Yes.

00:43:37.000 Because if we see our school's going to teach our kids critical race theory, they're going to expose our kids to gender ideologies and we tolerate it, not willing to do the one thing that you just said we've got to do, call out the truth and then be willing to pay the price for it.

00:43:58.000 Speak to me real quick about courage, where it would come from, and what the last two years dealing with this COVID crisis has taught us about where the current sort of courage meter in our country really is.

00:44:12.000 Would you say high or not so high?

00:44:15.000 So yeah, so I think weakness is a far bigger threat than wokeness because if we weren't weak as a society, I don't think the woke would be nearly as powerful as they are.

00:44:25.000 And I'm not saying you're weak.

00:44:27.000 I'm just saying that generally as a society, I think we can agree a weakness has plagued our land, right?

00:44:32.000 I think that is an inarguable fact.

00:44:34.000 And look, Aristotle spoke at great length about courage.

00:44:39.000 He argued that courage is the first virtue because without it, there are no other virtues.

00:44:44.000 And he's totally right.

00:44:45.000 If you're not willing to actually fight for what you believe in, then it's completely irrelevant what you believe in, right?

00:44:51.000 Is that if you're not willing to do something, if you're not willing to pay the price, and you look at it like that the New Testament tells us that to be true, right?

00:44:58.000 Paul was incredibly courageous, like unbelievably courageous to the point where they stoned him to death, right?

00:45:04.000 I mean, the early disciples were courageous enough to push back against multiple government institutions to spread the gospel.

00:45:10.000 And everywhere they went, they faced persecution.

00:45:13.000 That's courage.

00:45:14.000 Think, would the early church have existed without courage?

00:45:17.000 And the answer is no, of course not.

00:45:19.000 Now, where does courage come from?

00:45:21.000 Conviction.

00:45:23.000 What motivated James, the half-brother of Jesus, or Paul or Peter to act with courage?

00:45:29.000 Because they were convicted because they walked alongside the risen Christ.

00:45:34.000 So your relationship with Jesus directly impacts your courage or your lack thereof.

00:45:39.000 Now, let me be clear.

00:45:40.000 If you're not courageous and you're a Christian, I'm not doubting your faith.

00:45:44.000 I'm saying start to put your faith into action is what I'm saying, okay?

00:45:47.000 Is that you have to pray for God to, and courage is not the absence of fear.

00:45:51.000 Courage is doing the right thing, even though you are afraid.

00:45:53.000 Now, George S. Patton said very clearly that moral courage is the most necessary yet absent characteristic in man.

00:46:00.000 I want you to think about that.

00:46:01.000 Necessary yet absent.

00:46:02.000 And here's what's so great about courage, and my favorite thing about courage is how difficult it is to predict.

00:46:11.000 Anyone who's been to war will tell you sometimes the tough guy in basic training is the least courageous once the shots start firing.

00:46:19.000 And one of the things we love about battlefield literature that really speaks to our soul is that anybody can be courageous.

00:46:26.000 You think about that.

00:46:27.000 It doesn't take the strongest person.

00:46:29.000 It doesn't take the biggest person or the smartest person.

00:46:32.000 But courage is something that everyone has access to at all times.

00:46:36.000 That's an amazing thing, right?

00:46:37.000 That should empower you right now.

00:46:39.000 But we know that it is rarer than it is common, right?

00:46:44.000 So you asked a question, wokeness versus weakness.

00:46:48.000 And then what do you say about, you know, getting actually people courageous?

00:46:51.000 Well, here's the cool thing.

00:46:52.000 Courage begets courage.

00:46:53.000 Once one person is courageous, other people follow.

00:46:56.000 It requires someone to kind of pierce that darkness, right?

00:46:59.000 And if you think you are alone, you're not.

00:47:01.000 Other people want to follow you.

00:47:04.000 Again, another patent quote who I just happen to love, lead, follower, get out of the way, right?

00:47:09.000 And if you know anything about Patton, you could see him saying that like every single day.

00:47:13.000 And so that's kind of one characteristic in that whole sense.

00:47:18.000 But kind of a final thought on courage that I think is really important that I want to touch on is without courage, what exactly would happen next?

00:47:30.000 Right.

00:47:31.000 So, and if you also think about it in this kind of formulaic standpoint, it's the only thing that's missing, right?

00:47:38.000 So we have truth, right?

00:47:40.000 We have numbers, we have agreement, we have saturation of the message.

00:47:44.000 The only thing we don't have is the courageous action that is missing.

00:47:48.000 So you might say, okay, give me an example of courage.

00:47:51.000 Okay.

00:47:52.000 I'm sure a lot of people right now, understandably, are afraid to speak their mind about these issues at work because you will get fired.

00:47:58.000 Okay.

00:47:59.000 I understand that.

00:48:00.000 I sympathize with it.

00:48:01.000 I'm not telling you to do this.

00:48:03.000 But what if every single one of you decided to do that?

00:48:06.000 That would change things.

00:48:07.000 It would, whether you know it or not, right?

00:48:09.000 Now, you might get fired.

00:48:10.000 Of course, you might get fired.

00:48:11.000 Totally, right?

00:48:12.000 That's not the point.

00:48:13.000 The point is whether you do that.

00:48:14.000 So the best definition of courage I can give you here is doing what is right when you do not know how it's going to work out.

00:48:23.000 You cannot be courageous without risk.

00:48:26.000 It's impossible.

00:48:27.000 Just kind of waking up and having a cup of coffee is not an act of courage, right?

00:48:32.000 That's why I can't stand about some of these self-help tapes.

00:48:35.000 You're being so courageous.

00:48:36.000 Actually, no, you're not, actually.

00:48:38.000 You're not.

00:48:39.000 Like you're destroying the word of courage, actually.

00:48:41.000 Courage is when there's a risk.

00:48:43.000 That's why the most courageous people are the people that we, again, think of the battlefields, right?

00:48:49.000 When they go into the gunfire, they don't know when one in four people at Omaha Beach were mowed down.

00:48:55.000 That's courageous.

00:48:56.000 That's something that should inspire you.

00:48:58.000 And so if you're looking for that time, like, where can I be courageous?

00:49:01.000 Where can I do that?

00:49:02.000 That's where, that's where you're like, I don't know how it's going to work out.

00:49:05.000 That's where it's going to take.

00:49:06.000 Okay, so you asked about the courage meter.

00:49:08.000 I will say, and I know this room is right on pace with this.

00:49:13.000 The amount of new courage and courageous acts I've seen in the last year is very inspiring.

00:49:18.000 I will say this.

00:49:19.000 Regular, normal, everyday people at a record rate are starting to dig deep and they're starting to take a stand.

00:49:25.000 And I want to just encourage you for the moms that show up at school board meetings, God bless you. 1.00

00:49:30.000 For the parents that have taken their kids out of public schools and are homeschooling, God bless you.

00:49:34.000 For those of you that go to churches and had the courage to confront woke pastors about this stuff, God bless you.

00:49:40.000 I mean that.

00:49:40.000 For those of you that own businesses and you're like, I'm not going to do business, you know, unless people know my values, all that stuff takes courage.

00:49:46.000 I'm seeing that happen at record rates.

00:49:49.000 And we need more of it.

00:49:50.000 We really do.

00:49:51.000 But I want to just say that it's not that it's not happening.

00:49:58.000 The final thing that you asked, what have we learned with COVID?

00:49:58.000 Okay.

00:50:01.000 I learned a lot with COVID.

00:50:03.000 I learned a lot from Dennis Prager as well in the midst of COVID.

00:50:06.000 I know Dennis was here.

00:50:07.000 Dennis is my rabbi.

00:50:08.000 He's my teacher.

00:50:09.000 He's phenomenal.

00:50:10.000 And I just think so highly of him.

00:50:12.000 He's so special.

00:50:13.000 He knows the Old Testament better than almost anybody.

00:50:15.000 And he knows it from a rational basis.

00:50:18.000 His rational Bible series is terrific.

00:50:21.000 I really encourage you guys to check it out.

00:50:22.000 So Dennis said this.

00:50:24.000 And when he first said it, I didn't know what to think.

00:50:27.000 Where he said, I learned during COVID that people do not want to be free.

00:50:35.000 And I'm not sure if he touched on this when he was here or not, a little bit, but it's worth repeating because it's really profound.

00:50:41.000 So it is this question, right?

00:50:43.000 Which is, do people want to be free?

00:50:45.000 So I've nuanced my answer.

00:50:47.000 I think some people do want to be free, but I think most do not.

00:50:51.000 And the Bible tells us this.

00:50:53.000 When God delivered his chosen people out of Egypt into the wilderness and they needed and wanted for nothing, and he blew quail off course and manna from heaven, it took them like 20 minutes before they start complaining again.

00:51:06.000 And they're like, who's this Moses guy?

00:51:08.000 And why are we in the wilderness?

00:51:10.000 Bring us back to Egypt, slavery, because we ate better and at least we had meat. 1.00

00:51:16.000 That's the human condition playing out right there.

00:51:19.000 So freedom is hard.

00:51:20.000 Liberty is hard.

00:51:22.000 It takes an informed citizenry.

00:51:25.000 It takes a courageous one.

00:51:26.000 But I do believe that once you have kind of a little bit of a dosage of this kind of petty totalitarianism, that's where you're going to start to see more and more people demand freedom and demand liberty and demand kind of a release from this kind of authoritarianism that we're living through.

00:51:43.000 So look, courage is the most important thing.

00:51:46.000 It is.

00:51:47.000 And you might say, Charlie, how do I be courageous?

00:51:49.000 Last thing I'll say about this, you choose.

00:51:52.000 You make a choice right now.

00:51:53.000 You make a choice to go run into a direction where you do not know how it's going to work out.

00:51:58.000 It doesn't take you to read a book.

00:51:59.000 It doesn't take you to go listen to a podcast.

00:52:01.000 It doesn't take you to go, you know, go through a training.

00:52:05.000 You do it.

00:52:06.000 And it's a choice.

00:52:07.000 And every single person could do it.

00:52:09.000 Fantastic.

00:52:10.000 Really good.

00:52:11.000 Really, really good.

00:52:15.000 Maybe take a moment and maybe take a moment if you can and weave together.

00:52:21.000 So when you talk about the, you know, we're dealing with a woke ideology.

00:52:25.000 It is existential.

00:52:26.000 We've got to put it down.

00:52:27.000 We put it down by knowing the truth, that these aren't just other ideas.

00:52:32.000 They're dark, demonic ideas.

00:52:34.000 They're destructive ideas.

00:52:35.000 The truth combats those ideas.

00:52:37.000 But we've got to have enough courage to actually stand up when we see it and stand against it or not.

00:52:42.000 We allow it just to continue to go.

00:52:47.000 So when you take a look at what we've dealt with in the last two years, can you sort of draw a thread?

00:52:55.000 I mean, has this been a season where it's just like a perfect storm and this hit Or to you, do you see any sort of, I wouldn't call it a divine thread, maybe a darker thread that's actually running through it all?

00:53:14.000 What are we really facing sort of on the high, you know, meta idea of what's connected and what's behind what's connected?

00:53:23.000 I mean, you've got COVID, you've got this January 6th issue, you've got all some of the things that you mentioned earlier on.

00:53:31.000 What's connected?

00:53:32.000 What are we facing?

00:53:33.000 What are we?

00:53:35.000 That's such a good question.

00:53:36.000 So I'm going to try to do this quickly because that's great.

00:53:39.000 Look, what comes after courage?

00:53:41.000 It's a great segue, right?

00:53:42.000 Well, after courage, if people act courageously, you will get peace for a period of time.

00:53:48.000 It will happen eventually.

00:53:49.000 And the most courageous generation, the greatest generation, gave us peace and prosperity.

00:53:53.000 And peace and prosperity post-60s and 70s, things were really good in America.

00:53:58.000 I mean, we had problems, but then we had the sexual revolution. 0.98

00:54:01.000 We had economic catastrophe eventually in the 70s.

00:54:05.000 But generally, there was kind of this long overarching theme of kind of this soul searching of what does it mean to be an American.

00:54:12.000 Now, in the 80s and 90s, we got in kind of the sugar high that it meant to be kind of an American to kind of like ship all of our jobs overseas and we got a bunch of plastic in return, which was an awful deal, obviously.

00:54:24.000 And we were ever so slipping.

00:54:26.000 And 90s happened, early 2000s, financial crisis, 9-11, war on terror, and this kind of hypersecurity state that was deployed, you know, domestically.

00:54:35.000 But the through line from all of this was kind of this, not, it kind of happened, as Ernest Hemingway would say, it happened gradually than suddenly, where all this kind of culminated all these different forces in a short period of time in like this combustible engine when we decided to lock down our country.

00:54:53.000 And boy, you know, there will be, there will be an unlimited amount of literature written about, you know, the Chinese Fauci coronavirus and kind of our reaction to it, which was the worst mistake ever made, I think, in American history.

00:55:04.000 Not the worst, the worst mistake.

00:55:06.000 It's a very important thing, not the worst thing ever to happen, but we did it to ourselves.

00:55:10.000 I want you to think about that, right?

00:55:11.000 It was a conscious decision to do it to ourselves.

00:55:15.000 But what is the through line, right?

00:55:16.000 The through line from post-World War II to now, albeit there were some ups and downs and some resurgence and some declines, is that we want the, so in the 1950s, the many ruled the few, okay?

00:55:31.000 Ever since the 1950s, there's been a campaign to change that, to get the few to rule the many.

00:55:37.000 And what happened in COVID is finally the dream of those people was given was by definition, you have to give up all your power because there's an invisible virus that might kill you.

00:55:47.000 So the few people have to go rule the many and give them these emergency powers.

00:55:50.000 But it wasn't just that.

00:55:51.000 I mean, you saw all the other kind of social ills come front and center.

00:55:56.000 And so the most depressed generation, alcohol-addicted generation, drug-addicted generation, the most, the saddest generation, most depressed generation, all kind of happened at this high velocity.

00:56:06.000 And so what was shocking to me in the through line of all of this, it's all about trying to make you individually less free.

00:56:13.000 It's trying to make your society crumble and weaken from within.

00:56:17.000 And there are global forces behind this.

00:56:19.000 Again, I won't spend too much time on this, but make no mistake, like the Great Reset World Economic Forum that is putting pressure on this country, COVID, they wrote the book, The Great Reset in the Midst of COVID.

00:56:33.000 Now, I'm not saying that the World Economic Forum deployed the virus, okay?

00:56:38.000 Although there is some evidence that there was some funny business.

00:56:40.000 You have your own opinions on that.

00:56:42.000 What is inarguable, though, is that they saw it as an opportunity to get done what they wanted to get done for many decades.

00:56:50.000 And that is very simple.

00:56:51.000 That America is special.

00:56:54.000 Okay?

00:56:55.000 America, because of our structure, our system of government, who we are as a people, our history, and our culture, is that we were the first benevolent superpower ever to exist.

00:57:05.000 Never happened before and will never happen since.

00:57:08.000 A country with as much power as we have, as much wealth, as much prestige, actually goes around trying to do its best to do good around the world.

00:57:15.000 We have a, okay, pretty bad track record the last 30, 40 years, but still, it's this, what, beacon of light.

00:57:21.000 It's a shining city on the hill.

00:57:23.000 Well, what is a hill actually, you guys have a hill right outside at your church?

00:57:26.000 What does that actually kind of imply?

00:57:28.000 That one country actually might be better than the others.

00:57:31.000 The globalists don't like that.

00:57:33.000 They hate the idea that they want flat, okay?

00:57:36.000 Wouldn't like Tennessee at all.

00:57:38.000 They want very flat.

00:57:39.000 I'm talking metaphorically, of course.

00:57:41.000 And so it's been a campaign, a multi-decade campaign from within our institutions and externally around the world to destroy the United States of America as we know it.

00:57:51.000 So there's two big ways they're trying to do it right now.

00:57:53.000 The most easy way is to destroy our currency.

00:57:55.000 Obviously, they're trying to deteriorate the purchasing power of the dollar and keep our borders completely and wide open.

00:58:00.000 But what is the through line?

00:58:02.000 They want you to be disempowered, disempowered through food shortages, disempowered through how you actually treat the Chinese coronavirus, disempowered by how you send your kids to school, disempowered by whether or not we can control your breathing and putting a mask on your face, right?

00:58:18.000 That is the through line.

00:58:20.000 And would God or Satan want you to be disempowered?

00:58:25.000 That's the most obvious question, isn't it?

00:58:27.000 Which is, God always wants to set people free from tyranny, spiritual tyranny and earthly tyranny.

00:58:35.000 He doesn't want you to live in hell and he doesn't want you to live in the slavery of Egypt. 0.96

00:58:40.000 God will go to great lengths to deliver you and his people from bondage.

00:58:45.000 Satan will do the opposite.

00:58:47.000 He'll go to great lengths through our nature.

00:58:49.000 Hey, bring us back to Egypt.

00:58:51.000 Bring us back to Egypt to go back to bondage and slavery. 0.99

00:58:54.000 And that's been unfolding in America in the last 50 or 60 years, and it all kind of came front and center.

00:59:00.000 But here's the thing.

00:59:00.000 What man will try to use for evil, God will use for good.

00:59:03.000 The unexpected promise and positive of COVID and all this is they reached way too far too quickly.

00:59:11.000 Is that, hey, I'm still alive.

00:59:13.000 I got breath in my lungs.

00:59:14.000 I'm not putting up with this, okay?

00:59:16.000 I have a memory of freedom, which most countries don't, by the way, right?

00:59:20.000 They want to try to get rid of a memory of freedom.

00:59:21.000 This is why they want to mask kids.

00:59:23.000 Masking children is child abuse.

00:59:24.000 It's civilizational abuse as well.

00:59:26.000 They want a kid to have no memory of what it was like to be free.

00:59:29.000 That's why China doesn't do a revolution. 0.55

00:59:30.000 They have no memory of freedom.

00:59:32.000 A country that has no memory of freedom has nothing to go back to.

00:59:35.000 Therefore, the country will always be totalitarian.

00:59:37.000 Okay?

00:59:37.000 That's why they want to mask kids.

00:59:39.000 The kids will end up being 18.

00:59:40.000 They're like, well, I've worn masks my whole life.

00:59:42.000 I've never been free.

00:59:42.000 So what am I going back to?

00:59:45.000 Most pastors, I think, missed the whole kind of point on that one.

00:59:47.000 So look, the through line is this.

00:59:49.000 The through line is the same spiritual battle that unfolded in the garden.

00:59:53.000 It's the same spiritual battle.

00:59:55.000 It's good versus evil, light versus dark, truth versus lies.

00:59:59.000 It's deception versus promise.

01:00:01.000 It's all unfolding around us.

01:00:04.000 And the question is, what do we do about it?

01:00:06.000 I think all of you have made that decision there.

01:00:08.000 But here's the cool thing, and I see it happening, is that the demonic forces that have had such a monopoly, they're all of a sudden, they're being spooked all around.

01:00:17.000 They're finally in retreat.

01:00:18.000 They're on defense.

01:00:19.000 And it's time for those of us that have the light to play offense like never before.

01:00:26.000 So maybe about 10 more minutes, and then we'll let the folks fire away with some questions.

01:00:33.000 I wanted to think coming back to the sort of the through line of it all, a loss of freedom.

01:00:42.000 You know, what happens?

01:00:44.000 So we spoke about a little bit earlier.

01:00:48.000 We do seem to be, and it is a sad thing that there is a little, there's division outside.

01:00:53.000 There's division everywhere is a great tactic of our adversary.

01:00:59.000 The church also is a bit divided.

01:01:02.000 So we have, as we talked about earlier, this idea that what it is that we're doing right now is somehow just so outside the pale.

01:01:11.000 It's so inappropriate.

01:01:13.000 I'm actually being derelict in my duty.

01:01:16.000 I've exchanged the American flag for the gospel.

01:01:20.000 But you look on and you think, I look on and think, if this is what it is that we're facing, as you've just articulated, if it is darkness, and the only people on the planet that can really do anything or have to band together to do something about it are those that are filled with the light that's greater than the darkness, which is God's people.

01:01:41.000 Talk a little bit about what you're experiencing as you are.

01:01:43.000 You're starting to see a bit of an awakening within the church and within church leaders.

01:01:50.000 So talk a little about some of the brighter things that you're seeing.

01:01:53.000 You talked about the fact that there's a coalition of sort of strange allies.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, strange Bethels. 0.59

01:02:00.000 But share with us what you're experiencing in college campuses, what you're experiencing.

01:02:04.000 I mean, there is an awakening to the idea that our freedoms are being slowly eroded or quickly eroded.

01:02:15.000 Yeah, totally.

01:02:16.000 And this, I mean, most pastors are the worst evangelists ever.

01:02:18.000 So think about this.

01:02:19.000 So think about this.

01:02:20.000 You have tens of millions of people that are like happy to get their freedoms back.

01:02:24.000 And most pastors aren't like, what a great opportunity to teach them where freedom comes from.

01:02:29.000 Are you in the evangelist business?

01:02:31.000 Are you trying to, I mean, hello?

01:02:32.000 Like you have a bunch of people celebrating that mask mandates are repealed.

01:02:36.000 What a great opportunity for some mega church pastor to come in and say, let me tell you what true freedom actually is, right?

01:02:43.000 Let me show you what now that you're celebrating being liberated from bondage.

01:02:47.000 And they're like, oh, no, we don't do that at this church.

01:02:49.000 Like, oh, okay, but you were super quick to lecture me that we have to go to BLM marches because what a great evangelistic opportunity it is.

01:02:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:02:58.000 So you'll dance with demons, but you won't actually go try to evangelize the lost when it matters the most.

01:03:03.000 Got it.

01:03:04.000 Okay, sure.

01:03:05.000 And like, do you elect in your duty?

01:03:07.000 Like, how many times have we mentioned the gospel here?

01:03:09.000 Like, I don't know, every 30 seconds, right?

01:03:11.000 I mean, about light versus darkness and the most important thing.

01:03:15.000 And I find that so insulting, Frank.

01:03:17.000 Not you, obviously, but when people say that, I was like, you should come to a turning point USA event.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, we're a secular organization.

01:03:23.000 But I'll tell you what, you should come to one of our 8 a.m. church services we have before our event at AmericaFest.

01:03:30.000 And you'll see 3,000 kids there.

01:03:32.000 And then you'll see hundreds of kids give their life to the Lord that have never heard a sermon in their life, like weird youth pastor that tells me that we're not doing our job.

01:03:40.000 Like, actually, no, you know what salt and light have in common?

01:03:43.000 They change the environments that they go into.

01:03:46.000 That's what salt and light have in common.

01:03:48.000 And yet I have to be lectured by, you know, the same sort of people.

01:03:51.000 They send me these emails like, Charlie, you're not a real Christian.

01:03:54.000 Like, okay, thanks, pal.

01:03:55.000 But like, how about you come with me?

01:03:57.000 Because you want to know what I did last week?

01:03:59.000 I went to Colorado University Boulder, UC Berkeley, and Cal State Fullerton in a span of 72 hours, said the exact same stuff I'm saying here, sat at a table on UC Berkeley for two hours, having to like literally tell them during Holy Week that there is a God who loves them.

01:04:16.000 You want to talk about like going into the lion's den?

01:04:19.000 I'll put that up with like a missionary trip to Haiti.

01:04:21.000 And I'm not exaggerating.

01:04:23.000 Okay.

01:04:25.000 So I'm just, I'm just kind of exhausted with these people, these pastors that like just throw these bombs at us.

01:04:30.000 And, you know, they all have one thing in common because they know one thing they will not do.

01:04:36.000 They will never confront me directly.

01:04:38.000 They will never do it because they know that I won't put up with it.

01:04:43.000 I won't put up with the lies and all that.

01:04:44.000 So I'm sorry you have to experience that and all that.

01:04:47.000 You could have them as a guest on the Charlie Kirk show at any time.

01:04:50.000 Won't happen.

01:04:53.000 So anyway, you asked a question about what I'm seeing.

01:04:56.000 I'm seeing such great promise across the country.

01:04:59.000 When we visit college campuses at Turning Point USA, we have a big problem.

01:05:03.000 We can't find rooms big enough to be able to fit all the kids that want to show up to our events.

01:05:10.000 At Berkeley, Cal Berkeley, everybody, the liberal epicenter.

01:05:15.000 And look, I'm very sensitive to spiritual oppression.

01:05:18.000 When you go to Berkeley, I literally brought a guy that does deliverance with me, Victor Marks.

01:05:23.000 You might know him.

01:05:24.000 He's special.

01:05:24.000 Has he ever spoke at this church?

01:05:26.000 Oh, he should.

01:05:27.000 He's great.

01:05:28.000 I brought my own deliverance guy, okay?

01:05:31.000 Some people will bring like a personal trainer.

01:05:33.000 You got to bring a deliverance guy when you go to Berkeley.

01:05:36.000 And we, there were people knocking on the windows trying to get into our event at Berkeley that wanted to hear what we had to say.

01:05:43.000 Couldn't find a room big enough.

01:05:44.000 Same problem at Boulder.

01:05:45.000 Same problem at Fullerton.

01:05:48.000 Where was I last night?

01:05:49.000 Oh, yeah, in Milwaukee last night with Candace Owens.

01:05:52.000 And we had so many people, the great Candace Owens.

01:05:56.000 And we had so many people wanting to come in.

01:05:58.000 And the polling shows this, by the way.

01:06:00.000 The polling shows that most young people are dissatisfied with the regime, 21% approval rating of Joe Biden, but it's deeper than just the politics, right?

01:06:07.000 That's just kind of their, you know, their complaint against what's happening.

01:06:11.000 There is a curiosity.

01:06:12.000 There's a yearning.

01:06:14.000 But there's something else that I think that, again, the church misses this completely and wildly.

01:06:19.000 You know, they're like, well, we're going to do the exact same thing we did in 1980s, the Jesus loves you movement, right?

01:06:24.000 And they're the first ones to lecture me about how you have to kind of adjust to the times, obviously by their incredibly skinny genes and all that weird stuff that they do.

01:06:35.000 But then they're the ones that don't actually ever think to themselves, huh?

01:06:40.000 What are young people experiencing?

01:06:42.000 Like, how about this?

01:06:43.000 You want to get a young man's attention?

01:06:45.000 Talk about the negative effects pornography has on their life. 0.77

01:06:48.000 Like that'll get their attention pretty quick because most young men in the church are addicted to pornography. 0.76

01:06:53.000 Most pastors are addicted to pornography.

01:06:55.000 And most young men are considering like drugs or suicide because most churches are like, well, that's too extreme for us. 0.95

01:07:01.000 Like, really?

01:07:02.000 Like, if you're not going to take a stance on that, what exactly will you take a stance on?

01:07:02.000 That's interesting.

01:07:05.000 Right.

01:07:06.000 And so, yeah, look, the opportunity is multifaceted, right?

01:07:11.000 There's a political opportunity, and the most important, obviously, there's a spiritual opportunity, but it's the Galatians 3 model, right?

01:07:17.000 Where it's the law is a school teacher to Christ.

01:07:20.000 And so for a lost generation, they just want something to make sense before they're willing to kind of take that leap of faith.

01:07:26.000 And you have to understand, if you send a kid to college, not all college, most colleges, they will beat them down.

01:07:31.000 They will deconstruct them so much that they will challenge their very existence.

01:07:36.000 And you think that's an exaggeration?

01:07:37.000 Come with me to a campus and sit with a couple hours and you'll see it for yourself.

01:07:41.000 In fact, you can see the footage that we post, hundreds of hours of footage that we post on our social media where people will say, I don't even know if I'm actually alive.

01:07:48.000 I don't know what a human is.

01:07:49.000 Who's to say?

01:07:49.000 I mean, it is so deconstructionist, it will create misery.

01:07:53.000 And so if you can even just get them to have a little bit of a buildup of what is reality, then finally you could point them to ultimate salvation, which is a God that loves them and sent his son to die for them.

01:08:04.000 And so there's this great opportunity.

01:08:05.000 There is this awakening and there is a spiritual awakening to all of this.

01:08:10.000 So what are we to do about it?

01:08:13.000 We have to look at this in our, at this moment, say, wow, what a tough couple of years, unnecessarily tough, right?

01:08:19.000 You take a pause, say, hmm, what a great opportunity.

01:08:23.000 What other time would you rather live in with a generation, young generation that's so lost, so depressed, so miserable?

01:08:30.000 It is the most suicidal generation in history, most depressed, saddest, blah, Like that, if you look at just like a market opportunity, the church should be like, all right, Marshall Plan, all the resources we can.

01:08:41.000 We're going to fix this.

01:08:42.000 And I don't see that.

01:08:43.000 I don't.

01:08:43.000 Instead, it's kind of the same old kind of stuff that obviously doesn't work.

01:08:47.000 So, but then just from a general standpoint, this is what really gives me hope is that citizens of all ages are now asking not like, hey, what are you going to do for me?

01:09:00.000 Like, what do I have to do?

01:09:02.000 Right.

01:09:03.000 And look, I know all of you have done what has been asked of you the last couple of months and years.

01:09:08.000 You watched Tucker Carlson, right?

01:09:11.000 You bought the pillow.

01:09:13.000 Like, you've done everything that's been asked of you, right?

01:09:19.000 You have like a closet full of silver.

01:09:22.000 Like you have that weird chair that goes up this.

01:09:26.000 You don't even know what it does, but you bought it.

01:09:28.000 You reverse mortgage your home.

01:09:30.000 Like you've done everything, right?

01:09:33.000 And you've given all your friends pillows.

01:09:35.000 I don't even know what these pillows do, but he keeps telling me to buy the pillow.

01:09:40.000 And now you're like, okay, now it's what I'm going to do beyond that.

01:09:44.000 I'm going to run for office.

01:09:45.000 I'm going to homeschool my kids.

01:09:46.000 I'm going to learn about what's happening around me, right?

01:09:49.000 I'm going to contest for righteousness.

01:09:50.000 And I know that this is going to be a long-term project.

01:09:53.000 And that is the kind of takeaway, isn't it?

01:09:56.000 Which is the news that you might not want to hear, but for the grandparents out there, you might not see this whole thing get back to where you want to see it.

01:10:05.000 And that might not be what you came to hear tonight.

01:10:08.000 But not seeing God's chosen people come to the promised land happened to one of our most favorite figures in the Bible.

01:10:17.000 But you just look at your grandkids and say, are you worth it?

01:10:20.000 Because I want them to go live in a free country, right?

01:10:23.000 But here's the brutal honest truth.

01:10:25.000 The insidious forces of darkness we're talking about, they've been plotting for multiple decades with what they're doing right now.

01:10:31.000 You think this woke stuff just happened overnight?

01:10:34.000 They built institutions.

01:10:34.000 No.

01:10:35.000 They infiltrated.

01:10:36.000 We are now just finally waking up.

01:10:38.000 That is the unintended benefit from COVID, is this great awakening.

01:10:43.000 Is where finally people are like, wow, I didn't realize how far gone my country actually was.

01:10:48.000 Wow, I didn't realize they were teaching this in our schools.

01:10:50.000 And then having the memory not to forget and the action to do something.

01:10:53.000 But don't get me wrong, there will be successful battles along the way, but it might take 5, 10, 15 years, and we sometimes have to work backwards.

01:11:02.000 And so what does success look like?

01:11:04.000 Front page of the New York Times in 2040, unexpected right turn in America attributable to enlightenment and awakening post-COVID.

01:11:14.000 That's what success looks like, right?

01:11:16.000 And look, I get golf claps for a reason, because some of you know you won't be alive.

01:11:22.000 I know it sounds morbid, but that's the way it is.

01:11:22.000 I'm not kidding.

01:11:26.000 And that's the way they've thought.

01:11:28.000 They've thought to plant trees that they know will never be able to see it all go through.

01:11:33.000 And so we have to look at this intergenerationally, and we also have to stop lying to ourselves.

01:11:38.000 Stop lying to ourselves that just one more election is going to fix the country.

01:11:42.000 Stop lying to ourselves that, you know, Air Force One's going to swoop in and solve all of our problems.

01:11:47.000 I'm already looking at kids, you know, that are 8, 9, and 10, 11 years old and being like, I have to try to raise them up as early as possible to try to fight for this stuff.

01:11:54.000 And look, we're in this fight for as long as God keeps on giving us breath and life, right?

01:11:59.000 But I also think that's kind of freeing, isn't it?

01:12:01.000 It's kind of freeing to know you might not see this entire fight play out, right?

01:12:05.000 It's kind of freeing in some sense because it's also like, maybe, maybe I'm going to do what I can do, and then I'm going to pass down the baton to the future generation and continue this in any way, shape, or form and leave the rest up to God.

01:12:19.000 And so, look, I'm comforted by the fact that I'm seeing people of all different generations, all different ages, all different mindsets rise up in a powerful, meaningful, and significant way.

01:12:31.000 And I could tell you, the other side, they are trembling.

01:12:34.000 So if you're at Caesar's Palace and you're trying to make the odds, who's going to win in the next 20 years?

01:12:40.000 Team reality and team liberty or team woke and team insanity?

01:12:43.000 Well, let's see.

01:12:44.000 Our team has the truth, the Bible, the will of the Lord, Jesus Christ, and also on the earth, the world's richest man, the most popular podcaster, the most popular cable news channel, the pillow guy, and many others, right?

01:13:03.000 They, they have Supreme Court nominees that can't tell you what a woman is. 1.00

01:13:10.000 They have CNN Plus, which won't exist in like nine days because it's just done.

01:13:15.000 I'm going to bet on team liberty and team reality.

01:13:18.000 I'm telling you, the forces and the momentum is overwhelming, everybody.

01:13:22.000 We are going to win.

01:13:26.000 Love it.

01:13:29.000 Where are my microphones?

01:13:30.000 So yeah, right on my left.

01:13:31.000 We'll take a couple questions.

01:13:33.000 Adam and Ann are right there.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, do you want to set up the questions well, Charlie, because you always make sure that you put a little cap on.

01:13:43.000 Let's not turn this into.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, we had a great event last night in Milwaukee, and I forgot to do this part.

01:13:49.000 And this guy just went on for like five minutes.

01:13:50.000 Just please keep them to like 20 to 30 seconds.

01:13:52.000 We want to get to as many questions as possible.

01:13:54.000 If you have a question, you guys can line up at the mic.

01:13:58.000 If you guys go way off the reservation, we're just going to cut you off.

01:14:00.000 I'll be very honest.

01:14:01.000 So just, you know.

01:14:04.000 Don't go off the reservation.

01:14:05.000 And you might say, Charlie, what's off the reservation?

01:14:08.000 You know it when you see it.

01:14:09.000 Like, you know, it's just kind of the whole thing.

01:14:13.000 So, but yeah, whatever you guys want to ask, we'll be happy to do that.

01:14:16.000 We'll stay for as long as you'll have me.

01:14:19.000 And so, yeah, if you want to start lining up there and there, we'd love to get some student questions as well.

01:14:24.000 So we'll just start right here.

01:14:26.000 Okay, hi.

01:14:26.000 Thank you so much for coming.

01:14:28.000 My name is Shelby.

01:14:29.000 I just wanted to ask, as I've gotten more and more involved in politics and watching podcasts, I listen to like two or three podcasts a day, oftentimes.

01:14:38.000 How do you keep your heart from getting hardened and like just being like wanting to be Jesus flipping over the tables, but like 24-7?

01:14:46.000 Yeah, well, that's a great question.

01:14:49.000 I'll give you a biblical answer to it.

01:14:51.000 Last July, I was having a very difficult time with this.

01:14:55.000 So I do three podcasts a day.

01:14:57.000 I do three hours of radio a day.

01:14:59.000 I spoke at 330 places last year on the road.

01:15:03.000 We have 250 people on staff, got to raise a bunch of money.

01:15:06.000 Plus, I got to deal with all the fun people, the New York Times trying to destroy my life every single day, right?

01:15:11.000 Amongst other things.

01:15:11.000 So it's a lot, right?

01:15:13.000 And not to mention, not exactly an uplifting news cycle, the last year and a half, right?

01:15:18.000 It's just another kind of awful thing that one of the other.

01:15:21.000 And I was talking to a pastor friend of mine in New York City.

01:15:25.000 I was telling him this.

01:15:26.000 And he just asked me, he said, are you honoring the Sabbath?

01:15:28.000 I said, yeah, I like, you know, I'm kind of doing a Sabbath-ish thing, right?

01:15:31.000 Kind of very, you know, and he said, you should really consider it.

01:15:36.000 And so I did.

01:15:37.000 And so every Friday night, I take a Jewish Sabbath.

01:15:39.000 I turn my phone off completely.

01:15:41.000 I'm unreachable by the world.

01:15:44.000 And from Friday night to Saturday night.

01:15:46.000 And so I started doing it.

01:15:47.000 It was really hard at first, but I just do it religiously, regardless of where I am.

01:15:51.000 No one can contact me.

01:15:53.000 And I just read, I take notes, whatever.

01:15:55.000 And it's been an unbelievable blessing.

01:15:57.000 So let me kind of give you the Christian case for the Sabbath. 0.67

01:16:00.000 First of all, I'm not going to make a theological argument.

01:16:02.000 You're bound to the Sabbath, okay? 0.88

01:16:04.000 There's contradicting New Testament scriptures of this.

01:16:07.000 I'm not going to say that.

01:16:08.000 It's the only one of the Ten Commandments Jesus did not reinforce as far as that we have to honor.

01:16:12.000 Instead, I'm going to make a separate argument that it predated the law, which it did, and that it will bless your life significantly.

01:16:18.000 Okay?

01:16:18.000 So I believe the Ten Commandments are a gift from the Lord.

01:16:21.000 They're really the Ten Statements.

01:16:22.000 If you actually look at it, it starts with the one statement, which is, I'm the Lord your God who delivered you from Egypt, right?

01:16:28.000 He has to remind you because as humans have a tendency to forget.

01:16:31.000 And so he's like, hey, remember, I'm the guy that brought you from Egypt that came before the Ten Commandments.

01:16:36.000 And so the Decalogue says very clearly that we have to honor the Sabbath.

01:16:41.000 So, but why, right?

01:16:42.000 Well, God rested after creation, not because he needed rest, right?

01:16:45.000 But to admire his creation, but also, I think, to also show us an example that if God rested, we should rest as well.

01:16:52.000 So in the one day of the Sabbath, I could tell you, it has infinitely blessed my life before, but beyond I could ever tell you.

01:16:58.000 So not only am I unreachable, more time with my wife, more time with my family, more time with people I actually care about.

01:17:05.000 I read books that kind of get put aside for the previous week, and it makes everything I do more sustainable.

01:17:12.000 And I truly believe, and this is my personal theory.

01:17:15.000 I'm actually writing a book about why Christians should honor the Sabbath.

01:17:17.000 It's going to be my next book after my next book.

01:17:20.000 So in two books from now.

01:17:21.000 So my next book is Why You Shouldn't Go to College, which will be good.

01:17:25.000 And then that one.

01:17:26.000 So that's just, yeah, that one will be a real hit with parents.

01:17:30.000 So my Sabbath, but I believe truly that the Sabbath is the commandment that makes the other nine possible. 0.89

01:17:40.000 And so let's think about it.

01:17:41.000 If you're a parent that is growing disconnected from your child, are you having a Sabbath dinner with them with no devices on every Friday night?

01:17:49.000 Probably not.

01:17:51.000 I believe the Sabbath dinner is one of the great traditions that mankind has always had.

01:17:55.000 And whether we like it or not, Jesus had plenty of Sabbath dinners. 0.57

01:17:59.000 We know that.

01:17:59.000 And also, he had a Passover dinner.

01:18:02.000 I'm not saying that you're bound by it, but this is a thing that's in the Bible that's kind of like, wow, am I doing that?

01:18:07.000 Am I taking advantage of that?

01:18:08.000 So I call on every Christian, if you want your life to improve, maybe you don't. 0.98

01:18:12.000 Maybe you want your life to remain awful and miserable.

01:18:14.000 But if you want your life to improve, the happiest people, the least depressed people in the world are those that honor the Sabbath.

01:18:21.000 They are.

01:18:22.000 Or some form of a day of rest.

01:18:24.000 They live longer.

01:18:25.000 They're healthier, less disease, and all of it.

01:18:28.000 So for me, that's been a great blessing.

01:18:30.000 And it's a way just to totally tune out of all this kind of nonsense that's happening around you.

01:18:34.000 So, and then finally, I'll say this.

01:18:36.000 People say, Charlie, I'm too busy.

01:18:38.000 I say, okay.

01:18:40.000 I hate to pull rank on this, but if I can do it, you can do it.

01:18:45.000 Okay.

01:18:46.000 And so I highly, if you do it, try it for a month, try it for two months, and you'll find your relationship with God and your loved ones will dramatically improve.

01:18:53.000 And that hardened heart that you are worried about, I think will soften very quickly.

01:18:57.000 God bless you.

01:18:58.000 Thank you.

01:19:04.000 Hi, my name's John Baker, and I'm running for the school board at this time for District 6.

01:19:13.000 For the last four or five months, I've been studying the budgets.

01:19:16.000 I've been studying the organization.

01:19:19.000 I've been talking to people inside and outside the school system.

01:19:24.000 And when you describe the evil, the good and evil, I'm seeing that.

01:19:29.000 But what it's like is like wrestling with a cobweb.

01:19:33.000 How do you deal with that?

01:19:36.000 It's a great analogy.

01:19:37.000 Wow, I'm going to use that.

01:19:41.000 So how do you deal with it?

01:19:43.000 So you need to try to build a majority on your school board.

01:19:46.000 If you win, which is easier said than done, then you have to, before you take office, because you're not yet a school board member, is that right?

01:19:54.000 Okay.

01:19:55.000 You have to make a decision that you are going to put what is right above what is likable, okay, or what is popular.

01:20:02.000 And then you have to understand as a school board member, they will demagogue, they will delay, they will filibuster, they will do everything they possibly can.

01:20:11.000 But you as a school board member have a lot of power.

01:20:15.000 And creating an inside-out access between you as a school board member and an active parent group is what's been missing.

01:20:23.000 So you have to be getting information and then leaking it to parents to get angry at the school board meetings and vice versa, right?

01:20:29.000 Now, this is what, but think about it.

01:20:31.000 This is what they do to us, right?

01:20:33.000 So they get the teacher unions to go.

01:20:34.000 And so you have to be like, so you have to use FOIA to your advantage, but you at Freedom of Information Act, but you as a school board member, you have so much power for curriculum and for budgets and for all these things.

01:20:46.000 And so as a school board member, you should always ask for more than you actually think you're going to get.

01:20:52.000 And then be a relentless advocate for parents.

01:20:55.000 That's the most important thing.

01:20:57.000 But it's a very frustrating endeavor.

01:21:00.000 You are up against the machine in every way, shape, or form.

01:21:04.000 But do not give up.

01:21:06.000 And it's going to be gradual progress and process, but what you're doing is some of the most important work.

01:21:12.000 And your election's coming up very soon.

01:21:14.000 Is that right?

01:21:15.000 May 3rd.

01:21:17.000 And so I just want to commend you and encourage you for what you're doing here.

01:21:21.000 And finally, the last piece of advice I'll give you for when you actually get in to be a school board is don't just try to get rid of bad stuff.

01:21:29.000 Try to put positive things in as well, which is try to institute pro-American curriculum.

01:21:35.000 Try to reinstitute prayer in schools.

01:21:37.000 They'll lose their mind over that, but whatever.

01:21:39.000 Try to reinstitute good and meaningful things in the schools.

01:21:43.000 Don't just try to get rid of bad ones.

01:21:44.000 God bless you.

01:21:45.000 Thank you for being here.

01:21:52.000 Thanks for being here, Charlie.

01:21:54.000 So I have a little bit of an evangelistic question for you, I think, because I spend a lot of time wondering what it takes for the lights to come on for some people.

01:22:04.000 So I think we can all relate to that in terms of family members and friends, but I personally have a lot of colleagues that are millennial pastors, which are the worst. 1.00

01:22:13.000 They are.

01:22:14.000 It's just a joke.

01:22:16.000 But in terms of just, you know, these are good people, but then you see them doing things like shaming John MacArthur for opening up this church during COVID.

01:22:26.000 And then not only posting black squares, which early on you could understand, but then never standing up for abortion in the black communities and then never wanting to kind of distance themselves once they figured out what Black Lives Matter really is all about. 0.56

01:22:41.000 And so I guess the question is, is what have you seen be effective to really help, or is there something that you seem to be effective to kind of turn the lights on for people?

01:22:51.000 And then also too, within that, kind of a question within the question is, how much time do you spend rallying the base as opposed to winning the convert?

01:23:03.000 Because you don't want to just, you do, but you don't want to just preach to the choir the whole time and rally the base.

01:23:08.000 You want to be able to win people over to the truth.

01:23:11.000 So what's the ratio there in terms of like how often you rally the base, how often you try to win the convert?

01:23:16.000 Yeah, so great question.

01:23:17.000 Very articulate question.

01:23:19.000 Thank you for that.

01:23:19.000 So look, on the millennial pastor thing, I'm the first one to tell you.

01:23:23.000 I'm like a blunt forced instrument.

01:23:24.000 I don't really have a lot of patience for them.

01:23:26.000 You asked how effective, I don't know how effective I'm being with millennial pastors.

01:23:33.000 Probably not very, I'll be very honest.

01:23:37.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:23:38.000 Okay.

01:23:39.000 I'll tell you why.

01:23:40.000 Because I'm a Christian that is in the political world and it's kind of my day job.

01:23:46.000 So I get the politics thing.

01:23:48.000 I get the philosophy thing.

01:23:49.000 I've been doing it for a decade.

01:23:49.000 I know it pretty well.

01:23:51.000 And yet, so then, but then there's these Christian pastors that start to kind of come into my world with the kind of moral righteousness that comes with it, trying to tell me about like Rousseauian ideology or, you know, crime statistics in New York or critical race theory.

01:24:09.000 I'm like, slow down, pal.

01:24:10.000 All right.

01:24:11.000 You know, you can go do your eschatology thing and I won't disagree with you.

01:24:15.000 Okay.

01:24:16.000 Like leave the, you know, stay in your lane.

01:24:19.000 And so when they kind of cross that Rubicon, I'm like, all right, tough guy, like, you want to go tell me that America's racist to the core?

01:24:27.000 Like, that's not going to end well for you.

01:24:29.000 Now, again, they don't talk to me because they know it won't end well for them.

01:24:33.000 So I try to seek them out.

01:24:36.000 And it's come with mixed results.

01:24:40.000 But so here's what I will say is successful, though.

01:24:42.000 Again, I'm not saying I'm persuasive.

01:24:44.000 I'm not.

01:24:44.000 I struggle with this very same question, which is my impatience kind of pressure cooks into my commentary on this thing.

01:24:53.000 What I will say, though, is that all of you can be a lot more successful than I can be.

01:24:57.000 Okay.

01:24:58.000 So including you, which is take what is this huge library of content, you know, our thousand plus podcasts on these topics, right?

01:25:07.000 1,000 podcasts we've done on these topics, videos, campus events, Prager youth stuff, turning point stuff, metaxis stuff.

01:25:16.000 Take all of that, learn it.

01:25:17.000 And then you go challenge those millennial youth pastors and like really challenge them, right?

01:25:23.000 Take them out for coffee and don't take a one-liner.

01:25:25.000 Be like, no, no, no.

01:25:26.000 Come on, tell me about CRT.

01:25:28.000 Come on, man.

01:25:29.000 Like, you're talking about this stuff.

01:25:30.000 You're taking the mantle of this.

01:25:32.000 Like, I know, I've known you since you were whatever, 11 or 12 years old.

01:25:35.000 You're now in the ministry.

01:25:36.000 You know, why are you spreading deception?

01:25:37.000 That's where you guys can be very, very effective.

01:25:39.000 I've seen that work.

01:25:40.000 I've seen people that attend churches be very effective with that.

01:25:45.000 Very, very effective.

01:25:47.000 Frank can be more effective than I can because it's a pastor to pastor deal, right?

01:25:52.000 Because they're like, oh, Charlie, you're not a pastor.

01:25:53.000 I'm not going to listen.

01:25:54.000 You're like, okay, great.

01:25:54.000 Have a nice day.

01:25:55.000 Whatever.

01:25:55.000 Sure.

01:25:56.000 Even though we'll say exactly the same thing.

01:25:59.000 And then you asked the final question about how much should we focus on rallying the base versus persuasion.

01:26:05.000 Look, I will do persuasion, obviously, but I've changed my opinion on this where I used to kind of like lessen down my message.

01:26:12.000 If I go to Berkeley, look, I'm like at a 10 out of 10 no matter where I am.

01:26:15.000 Okay.

01:26:16.000 Too much time to worry about my audience and all this.

01:26:18.000 I'm going to say what's true no matter where it is, right?

01:26:20.000 Like not exactly worry about curating my message.

01:26:23.000 And you know what's amazing?

01:26:25.000 I have been more blessed in a reaction and more people agreeing.

01:26:29.000 Because here's what I learned this the heart, not the hard way, but someone came up to me after the event at Berkeley and they said, I agreed with almost nothing you said, but the way you said it and the conviction and the passion, like you're great and I'm going to follow you.

01:26:41.000 And really?

01:26:43.000 And I realized that it's not as much about agreement.

01:26:47.000 It can be, but it's actually a much bigger picture than that, right?

01:26:51.000 And are we serious?

01:26:53.000 And that's being compromising is not the answer.

01:26:56.000 Finally, ask questions.

01:26:57.000 Ask questions, ask questions.

01:26:59.000 It's how Jesus got to the bottom of the, you know, got to the truth.

01:27:01.000 So just keep on asking these questions of these youth pastors, millennial pastors and whomever.

01:27:07.000 And then finally, I think there is a reckoning coming.

01:27:09.000 I think there will be a series at some point of publicly recorded debates that have to happen between the wokeys and those of us that actually believe in the Bible.

01:27:22.000 I've been waiting for it.

01:27:23.000 I've been demanding it.

01:27:24.000 You guys should demand it too.

01:27:25.000 You would all watch that, wouldn't you?

01:27:27.000 Of all these, you know, BLM marching pastors that are so confident, yet they won't talk. 0.82

01:27:33.000 And it's kind of interesting.

01:27:34.000 You know who has the truth with who's afraid to talk to people and who isn't, right?

01:27:39.000 Like, I'll talk to anybody and they won't.

01:27:42.000 And that's because they're living in a demonic, you know, a demonic theology.

01:27:47.000 I don't say that lightly.

01:27:48.000 If you're supporting BLM, you're supporting a demonic theology. 0.54

01:27:51.000 Thank you.

01:27:52.000 I appreciate that.

01:27:58.000 Hey, thank you for the courage that you have been speaking for the last couple of years.

01:28:04.000 You mentioned earlier about, you know, how it's really painfully obvious the woke test.

01:28:10.000 But I wonder after the last two years, we've seen kind of a culmination of all these painfully obvious woke topics.

01:28:18.000 Are there some subtle things that you are seeing coming down?

01:28:22.000 It seems like, oh, there can't be one more thing, but you turn on the news and there it is, another topic that just we never thought we would see.

01:28:30.000 So there's some subtle ways that we can be proactively detecting so that they don't ultimately culminate and add to the woke test.

01:28:41.000 Yeah, it's a great question.

01:28:42.000 Yeah, let me give you some of the subtle ones, which is really important.

01:28:45.000 It's just a very basic question.

01:28:46.000 Whose children are they?

01:28:47.000 Right?

01:28:48.000 So if you don't get this question right, then you open the gateway to all the woke stuff, right?

01:28:52.000 So is it the state's children or is it your children?

01:28:55.000 The Bible tells us that it's your children and that you are biblically mandated to raise them up in the ways of which they will go. 0.96

01:29:02.000 And so that is kind of a subtle one where we debated this for years, but we didn't quite understand the significance of it.

01:29:02.000 Right.

01:29:09.000 And look at one that's unfolding all across the country, which is this idea of should you teach children this kind of radical gender ideology.

01:29:19.000 And this is what's interesting is that we're going to lose that debate if we don't actually get to the root of the issue.

01:29:26.000 So here's what I mean by that.

01:29:29.000 So we say it's not right for a five-year-old to learn about lesbian relations, okay?

01:29:37.000 But is it okay for a 15-year-old or a 20-year-old?

01:29:41.000 And we say no, right?

01:29:43.000 But most people are afraid to say that.

01:29:45.000 That's really the root of it.

01:29:46.000 The root is the same argument we had about homosexual marriage in 2008, 9, 10, and 11.

01:29:51.000 Now it's just whether or not kids should be exposed to that.

01:29:54.000 Does that make sense?

01:29:55.000 It's just move to a younger demographic.

01:29:57.000 So we will lose on that if we don't get our argument right earlier on in that.

01:30:02.000 And then there's obviously the transgender part of it.

01:30:04.000 Look, I could go on to a lot of different types of these issues that I think are kind of pressure cooker ones that are growing up throughout the system, but it will get worse.

01:30:14.000 The depths of hell have not even been touched by this.

01:30:18.000 And that's why the children are next.

01:30:20.000 They're the obvious next pivot.

01:30:22.000 And isn't it amazing how these groups that are always demanding liberation from oppression start in there and then they go immediately to trying to force evangelism of the most vulnerable, right?

01:30:33.000 So it all started with like the plight of gay marriage.

01:30:37.000 Okay, so they want gay marriage.

01:30:39.000 We believe marriage is one man, one woman. 0.95

01:30:41.000 We lost through a fiat decision in Washington, D.C. Supreme Court.

01:30:45.000 And then many of you, including me, because I was young and naive, thought we'd stop talking about all the gay issues, right?

01:30:53.000 Gay marriage is, oh, you know, it's the law of the land.

01:30:55.000 I don't like it.

01:30:56.000 I think it's wrong.

01:30:57.000 I think it's immoral.

01:30:58.000 It's unbiblical, all this, whatever.

01:31:00.000 At least that topic is over.

01:31:02.000 And yet now we're talking more about it than ever before.

01:31:05.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:31:06.000 And this is the lie of liberalism, which is give me liberation and I'll leave you alone.

01:31:12.000 No, you won't.

01:31:14.000 We give you liberation, then you're going to seek revenge against the people that were bringing you down, even though they weren't.

01:31:19.000 And that's what this whole thing is, obviously, right?

01:31:21.000 It's the very same people who thought they were being oppressed now all of a sudden going like, now I have to go after your children.

01:31:27.000 Like, really?

01:31:27.000 I thought all you wanted was marriage.

01:31:30.000 And before that, it's like, all we want is civil unions.

01:31:32.000 Before that, all we want is at some point, we got to kind of wake up to the fact that they will never stop until they're stopped.

01:31:39.000 And that is at the root of modern liberalism.

01:31:42.000 Okay, next question.

01:31:44.000 Two-part question.

01:31:45.000 Two more questions.

01:31:46.000 Okay.

01:31:46.000 Two-part question.

01:31:47.000 Make it quick because we only got a couple questions.

01:31:48.000 Two-part question.

01:31:49.000 Do you have any knowledge or information on the Stew Peters documentary called Watch the Water with Dr. Brian Artis regarding Rendesivir?

01:32:00.000 No, but I've had a couple people tell me about it.

01:32:02.000 And I'm telling you, I am very passionate about the Rem Desivir topic because I know a lot of people that were damaged by the forcible use of Rem Desivir in the hospitals.

01:32:13.000 But I haven't seen it yet.

01:32:15.000 Hopefully you can do a podcast later on down the road with it.

01:32:15.000 Second part?

01:32:20.000 Second is, this one's for a friend of mine.

01:32:23.000 If Ron DeSantis runs against Trump, who are you going to vote for?

01:32:26.000 Okay, so I get this question nonstop.

01:32:31.000 And that really tells you something.

01:32:32.000 It's like the fourth or fifth time I've got that question.

01:32:34.000 Okay, I'll give you the same answer.

01:32:35.000 I'll answer it personally, not on behalf of Turning Point.

01:32:38.000 Let me answer it this way.

01:32:39.000 So Ron DeSantis very well could be a once-in-a-generation statesman.

01:32:42.000 He could be a Lincoln or a Churchill, and he's been totally phenomenal and amazing.

01:32:46.000 If they run against one another, I'm a loyal person.

01:32:49.000 I'm a loyal person to someone who I'm an honor to call a friend who I believe was a great president and would be a great president again.

01:32:55.000 And let me tell you why.

01:32:57.000 So, and this is not a slide at DeSantis, obviously.

01:32:59.000 I think he's wonderful.

01:33:00.000 I think he'd be a good president, but I know Trump was a great president.

01:33:03.000 And I'm a loyal person.

01:33:05.000 I gave him my word that if he ran again, I would support him.

01:33:08.000 I'm not a guy that does that and falters.

01:33:10.000 You wouldn't want me to be that type of guy either, right?

01:33:12.000 He's a person that when I had no following, no credibility, and kind of was just like this 21, 22-year-old, he saw something special in our movement and spoke at our events and invited me to the White House.

01:33:23.000 And he really poured energy and time and resources into our movement.

01:33:27.000 And I don't forget that.

01:33:28.000 I don't just kind of discard it.

01:33:29.000 That's not how I was raised.

01:33:31.000 And I don't think that would be the right thing to do.

01:33:33.000 And obviously you guys would make your own decisions in that regard.

01:33:36.000 But I would say this, that if you win a presidency once and then the second time you run, it's the most interfered with election in history with ballots going everywhere and Zuckerberg with $400 million.

01:33:48.000 I believe you have earned the right to run for the presidency again, especially after the mess that we're seeing all around us.

01:33:55.000 And so that would be my own personal thing.

01:33:57.000 Obviously, people have differences of opinions in that way, but I'm a loyal guy.

01:34:01.000 And I'm going to hold the line for someone that was good to me.

01:34:03.000 Okay, so next question.

01:34:05.000 Will you elaborate on so you started talking about slogans and how they impact the world at this time?

01:34:15.000 And so how do we in media begin to combat fire, fight fire with fire?

01:34:22.000 Yeah, so how do we in the media, basically?

01:34:24.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 Are you in the media?

01:34:26.000 I'm a graphic designer.

01:34:26.000 Sort of?

01:34:27.000 Oh, great.

01:34:29.000 We need more non-woke graphic designers. 0.88

01:34:31.000 So that's good.

01:34:33.000 And that's actually one of the reasons why Disney has become how it is.

01:34:36.000 All the people that work for Disney are just super far to the left.

01:34:40.000 Look, we have to get better at messaging, and I think we are.

01:34:43.000 We're seeing, for example, kind of the rise of the parents' party, right?

01:34:46.000 That's such a beautiful phrase.

01:34:48.000 Parents' rights, the parents' party is this really awesome thing.

01:34:52.000 So how do we combat it?

01:34:53.000 We just shouldn't take their words at face value, right? 0.65

01:34:57.000 The only one that I'm willing to take at face value is not diversity, equity, inclusion, but diversity, inclusion, equity, die. 0.74

01:35:04.000 If that's the one that they want to use, like, okay, I'll use the acronym die if you really want.

01:35:10.000 But we have to flip it for what it actually is, right?

01:35:13.000 We have to call their, they call it the don't say gay bill. 0.83

01:35:17.000 No, it's not.

01:35:18.000 It's the protection of children against groomers bill.

01:35:20.000 That's what it is.

01:35:21.000 And you have to continually flip it on its head, right?

01:35:24.000 And it's like, we're the parents' party. 0.96

01:35:25.000 You're the pervert party, actually. 0.92

01:35:28.000 Like, it's really creepy and weird how much you care about teaching six-year-olds about gender transitioning. 0.96

01:35:33.000 And this is something some people aren't comfortable with, but I am, which is in the arena of messaging, I'm going to take the gloves off and I'm not going to allow you to insult us and to batter us continually.

01:35:44.000 Like, I'm going to call it for what it actually is, if that makes sense.

01:35:47.000 And so, but look, it's difficult because we always kind of want, we want to play by this like book of rules that actually doesn't exist.

01:35:56.000 And their book of rules is we want to destroy them.

01:36:00.000 Here's the better way I can put it.

01:36:01.000 We as conservatives, or whatever you want to call yourself constitutionalist, we think they're wrong.

01:36:08.000 They think we're bad.

01:36:10.000 They think we're evil and we think they're wrong.

01:36:12.000 Well, actually, I don't think they're wrong.

01:36:15.000 I think that they're evil.

01:36:17.000 I do.

01:36:17.000 And I say that out loud.

01:36:19.000 And again, some people, you guys say, how Charlie, how dare you say they're all evil?

01:36:22.000 Okay, fine, whatever.

01:36:23.000 But I'll say, how about this?

01:36:25.000 The people that support the million abortions a year and puberty blockers for 10-year-olds and the confusion of most fundamental gender issues, right?

01:36:33.000 And porous open borders, I think that's immoral and that therefore means it's evil.

01:36:37.000 And I'm not going to all of a sudden act as if we're in this like kind of long-form, equally standing Socratic debate about how we all want the same thing.

01:36:45.000 It's like we actually want two completely different things.

01:36:49.000 And we have to get better about messaging about it.

01:36:51.000 So thank you so much.

01:36:52.000 God bless you.

01:36:53.000 Okay, the last question.

01:36:55.000 Thank you for coming tonight.

01:36:57.000 I had a question concerning the transgender argument.

01:37:01.000 What do I ask my peers in order to basically shut down their transgender argument?

01:37:07.000 For what reasons are it?

01:37:08.000 To shut down, sorry, the transgender argument? 0.98

01:37:12.000 Yes, sir. 0.90

01:37:12.000 Like, if they bring it up, like. 0.90

01:37:15.000 Sure.

01:37:15.000 So it's a great question.

01:37:17.000 So at the root of the transgender argument is a belief that your feelings can dictate your reality. 0.68

01:37:24.000 That is the basis of transgenderism.

01:37:26.000 It is also a rejection of the absolute description of actually who you are as a person, right?

01:37:32.000 So in order to properly expose the fraud of transgender movement or transgenderism, we must apply that to other facets of life, right? 1.00

01:37:43.000 So if you can choose your gender, can you choose your age?

01:37:46.000 If you can choose your gender, can you choose your species?

01:37:49.000 Now, people might say, well, Charlie, those things are red herring arguments.

01:37:52.000 They don't have anything to do.

01:37:53.000 Of course they do.

01:37:53.000 These are certifiable mental conditions that people have where they think they're younger than they actually are.

01:37:58.000 Should a 50-year-old who thinks that he's 50-year-old should be able to compete in a youth soccer league, you know, with eight-year-olds just because he feels that way.

01:38:07.000 So at the core of transgenderism, and I'm not making light of it, we should have compassion.

01:38:12.000 We want Jesus for all these people. 0.74

01:38:13.000 We want help and treatment for these people is a mental condition.

01:38:18.000 Believing you are a separate gender than you are assigned from birth is called gender dysphoria.

01:38:23.000 It's a very real thing.

01:38:24.000 And we've had ways to deal with it.

01:38:26.000 We've had successful treatments to show people that trauma might have induced that and that external forces might have had them confused about it.

01:38:34.000 But the most important thing is who gets to determine your reality?

01:38:38.000 Now, people, this is at the fundamental core of so many of these movements.

01:38:42.000 Hey, well, you get to determine your own truth.

01:38:44.000 Do you really?

01:38:45.000 So they say, well, you have to call me by my pronouns.

01:38:47.000 Well, if you get to choose your pronouns, do I get to choose my adjectives?

01:38:55.000 Do I get to choose that I'm rich, skinny, tall, successful, and powerful?

01:39:01.000 It's not the way it works.

01:39:02.000 We have to be anchored, again, to what we've talked about all evening, to reality, is that your wishes, your will, your demands, your feelings do not determine what you are.

01:39:13.000 And they might have that own opinion, right?

01:39:17.000 They might say, I am a man, even though they're a woman. 0.89

01:39:19.000 They might say I'm a unicorn, even though they're a human.

01:39:22.000 They could say whatever those sorts of things, okay?

01:39:24.000 There are separate psychological mental treatment that I hope they come.

01:39:27.000 And most importantly, spiritual treatment I hope that they end up getting, right?

01:39:31.000 However, the more important question is this, which is, are you going to use political power now to force other people to succumb to your incredibly radical mental disease?

01:39:41.000 And the answer should be no.

01:39:43.000 Are you going to use political power to make me say a pronoun that I know is not true and like penalize me because I used the wrong pronoun?

01:39:49.000 Are you going to now use political power to force someone with a mental condition to now be able to go into girls' locker rooms, even though that's not the biological gender that they were born with? 0.61

01:39:59.000 Are you going to now use political power to say that children can get puberty blockers without even notifying their parents, which is happening in states all across the country?

01:40:08.000 So that's an even, that's a more important issue, which is you can think whatever you want to think, right?

01:40:12.000 Okay, whatever, but now do not use the force of the state.

01:40:16.000 Do not use the guns.

01:40:17.000 Do not use the government.

01:40:19.000 Do not use corporate power to all of a sudden make me go play along with your delusion, okay?

01:40:25.000 Your delusion is not reality.

01:40:27.000 We should not redesign women's sports because a dude wakes up one day who's the 422nd best, 462nd best swimmer in the country. 0.79

01:40:36.000 He's like, you know what?

01:40:37.000 I'm a woman and we have to all of a sudden reconfigure all of women's sports as he wins the NCAA championship, disenfranchising biological women and act as if that is somehow normal and okay. 0.96

01:40:48.000 What that is, is tolerance gone wrong.

01:40:51.000 What that is, is platforming and entertaining mass psychosis from us when in reality, those people need individual treatment, individual compassion, individual help, not all of society pandering to their problem and acting as if it's okay.

01:41:06.000 In fact, it's incredibly damaging.

01:41:07.000 Thank you.

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"Our Best Days Are Still Ahead" — LIVE from Calvary Chapel Chattanooga with Pastor Frank Ramseur

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