The Charlie Kirk Show - Pelosi Vs. The Populist Music Star with Winston Marshall

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00:02:50.000 A clip has been going viral, and it's more than a clip.

00:02:53.000 It was an amazing interaction, you could say, at the Oxford Union involving Winston Marshall and Nancy Pelosi.

00:03:04.000 Well, it was a debate of some sort, and I want to dive into that for the entire hour with a very impressive person, formerly with Mumford and Sons.

00:03:13.000 And he's terrific.

00:03:15.000 Winston Marshall joins us this hour.

00:03:17.000 Winston welcomes the program.

00:03:18.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:03:19.000 Thanks for having me on your show.

00:03:21.000 You are the co-founder of Dissident Dialogues, also the host of the Winston Marshall Show.

00:03:26.000 Tell us what happened at the Oxford Union.

00:03:29.000 Well, I was invited to talk about the issue of populism.

00:03:34.000 Populism, of course, is something that's been, in my opinion, a big phenomenon, particularly from 2008.

00:03:42.000 You could probably go further back still, but since the 2008 crash and the combination of social media becoming a big thing, populism has been a worldwide phenomenon.

00:03:53.000 It's something I care about a lot.

00:03:54.000 Particularly care about how ordinary people are written off as populist, as baskets of deplorables as, as your viewers will remember.

00:04:03.000 I think that's all part of the same phenomenon and I wanted to talk uh, defend populism, so I agreed to go along.

00:04:14.000 It's a pretty, pretty politically incorrect topic, I note if you, to defend populism in certain circles is is a taboo.

00:04:22.000 About a week before the Oxford Union debate, I was informed that Pelosi was my opposition.

00:04:30.000 I didn't know exactly what position she'd take.

00:04:33.000 I didn't know whether she understood what the Oxford Union debate really was.

00:04:38.000 I had a kind of, there would be a, you know, you could imagine going in, would she be on the, would it be the cliched version of populism, as we've heard time and time again?

00:04:50.000 Or would it be a more robust attack on populism, which I think that there are intellectually and good attacks on populism that are worth engaging in, but I didn't know.

00:05:02.000 And also, of course, learning that Pelosi was my opposition, I mean, is there anyone who personifies the elite that the populist movement in America is against better or more so than Nancy Pelosi?

00:05:20.000 So of course, that changed what I was going to say.

00:05:25.000 I had to address some of her hypocrisies.

00:05:29.000 And so you get the speech that I made.

00:05:33.000 And I mean, I can color in a little bit more about what happened.

00:05:37.000 Please walk us through.

00:05:38.000 First of all, I'm also just equally fascinated.

00:05:42.000 Did Pelosi realize she was going to a debate?

00:05:44.000 Like, why did she agree to this? 0.99

00:05:46.000 And then please, just give us the whole story, because rarely does someone as articulate and wise as yourself get an opportunity to cross-examine this bitter oligarch named Nancy Pelosi.

00:05:59.000 Well, it starts.

00:06:02.000 So the Oxford Union debate, people who don't know, it's something that's been going on for 200 years.

00:06:07.000 The students come together to debate issues.

00:06:09.000 Some of them, it's kind of academic.

00:06:11.000 They don't necessarily believe in what they're arguing, but they'll make the position.

00:06:16.000 And usually the people who are in the Oxford Union, the students, end up being politicians.

00:06:21.000 If you walk around the rooms of the Oxford Union, as we were guided through, we see photographs of Boris Johnson and other various later to become prime ministers.

00:06:34.000 Excuse my English, that was terrible phrase there.

00:06:36.000 And so you have these students who, a lot of them end up being successful politicians.

00:06:42.000 Even the boxes that you see in the video were donated, I think, by Churchill.

00:06:49.000 I think they were actually used in Parliament at one point.

00:06:52.000 So there's some prestige to doing it.

00:06:54.000 And I have friends who have done it, have done very well.

00:06:57.000 Constantine Kissing did a very famous Oxford Union debate against wokeism.

00:07:02.000 Has wokeism gone too far?

00:07:03.000 I'm sure your viewers will remember that from last year.

00:07:07.000 Pelosi, I didn't know, as I said, what I'd expect.

00:07:11.000 We were all to have dinner beforehand.

00:07:13.000 And I will say, and it's important to add nuance to these things, she was very nice.

00:07:17.000 We had dinner with her, her husband, some of the students, some of the other people debating.

00:07:22.000 And actually, I was directly next to her chief of staff.

00:07:27.000 This was a really interesting insight because, firstly, they were clueless about what the debate was.

00:07:36.000 They hadn't given it any prep.

00:07:37.000 I think she's done the whole day meeting various politicians and political activists, all of whom, no one would have criticized her.

00:07:48.000 But the insight was interesting was that talking to her team, they would use words like equity without blinking.

00:07:56.000 They would have dogmatic positions on the environment that they would just dish out without second thought.

00:08:05.000 And even at one point, I brought up RFK, and the immediate kickback from the chief of staff was: what's his real agenda?

00:08:14.000 Why is he really running?

00:08:16.000 Now, RFK, sorry, yeah, RFK Jr. is worth bringing up because I consider him a populist.

00:08:22.000 For him, the elite is the pharmaceutical industry, big pharma.

00:08:27.000 It's lobbyists in DC.

00:08:30.000 And that's his elite that he's been targeting, as well as Democratic and, well, I guess the uni party elites.

00:08:37.000 There's part of that is in his rhetoric or in his discourse.

00:08:43.000 So firstly, I got a sense coming into this bubble of a people.

00:08:48.000 Now, here's the biggest takeaway.

00:08:52.000 They were so convinced that this election was democracy itself on the table.

00:09:00.000 That if Trump was to win this election, and they never used the word Trump, they couldn't even say his name, like Voldemort, he who must not be named.

00:09:07.000 They couldn't say his name.

00:09:08.000 But they talked about Trump without using his name in such a way that anyone to even challenge that, it was like they'd never heard the other side of the argument.

00:09:21.000 It was like they'd never, they couldn't even engage with maybe something that Trump had got right.

00:09:25.000 It was, they were convinced that they had to defeat Trump to save democracy.

00:09:31.000 And this is, I'm sure your viewers and yourself will have been paying close attention to this.

00:09:37.000 They've literally been undermining democracy in order to, in their mind, save democracy.

00:09:43.000 The famous example, as I mentioned in my speech, is taking on or trying to take off Trump from the ballot in both Maine and Colorado.

00:09:51.000 And all of this, I mean, and I talk, in my speech as well, talk about how they undermine free speech, all in the name of democracy.

00:09:58.000 Of course, democracy about free speech, Charlie, it's not democracy.

00:10:03.000 So that was a very interesting insight.

00:10:04.000 But the nuance I want to give to it is they were actually very nice.

00:10:07.000 Nancy did photographs with us.

00:10:09.000 They were very courteous and very courteous of all the students.

00:10:13.000 They did photographs.

00:10:14.000 There was no airs.

00:10:15.000 There was no arrogance.

00:10:17.000 And I know I say that because I've seen in the pushback, there's a real dislike of what Pelosi represents. 0.93

00:10:25.000 And I really dislike a lot of her politics and a lot of her political hypocrisies.

00:10:31.000 But it's important to remember these people are human too.

00:10:34.000 And it's an interesting insight.

00:10:36.000 Anyway, I think that's good.

00:10:38.000 I mean, I'm curious, just super quick, since she's so nice, did you give any stock tips?

00:10:46.000 This is a good question.

00:10:48.000 And I actually avoided bringing up the stock tips in my speech for a reason.

00:10:53.000 I wanted to get her just on her political hypocrisy, of which there are many.

00:10:58.000 So many, in fact, 10 minutes speech time wouldn't be enough.

00:11:03.000 I would have loved to have, and I totally get the, you want to try to yield towards being polite and trying to be magnanimous and saying, and Ms. Pelosi, you are the oracle of DC.

00:11:15.000 You outperform Warren Buffett, outperform the biggest names in finance.

00:11:21.000 How do you do it, Nancy Pelosi?

00:11:22.000 How do you always know what stocks to pick?

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00:12:33.000 I'm actually rather surprised that our esteemed opposition Congressman Pelosi is on that side of the motion.

00:12:39.000 I thought the left was supposed to be anti-elite.

00:12:43.000 I thought the left was supposed to be anti-establishment.

00:12:48.000 Today, particularly in America, the globalist left have become the establishment. 0.99

00:12:56.000 I suppose for Miss Percy to have taken this side of the motion, she'd be arguing herself out of a job.

00:13:01.000 Winston, brilliant analysis.

00:13:04.000 Just in your private and also the public dialogue, because I haven't had a chance to listen to Nancy Pelosi's response, which I believe is all just that Trump is a threat to democracy.

00:13:12.000 Can they actually define very crisply what democracy is?

00:13:18.000 Because every time they say democracy, they truly mean oligarchy.

00:13:22.000 Winston Marshall.

00:13:24.000 Well, it's really worth watching her speech in full, although it's kind of a hate watch.

00:13:29.000 It's very frustrating.

00:13:31.000 So, firstly, she cannot define democracy, as you rightly point out.

00:13:36.000 She tries to, but she seems to go on a long ramble about all the things that are key to democracy, like free speech, free media, a lot of things that I happen to think Democrats have been deliberately undermining.

00:13:50.000 But she isn't able to define democracy as representative, you know, I can't actually remember the exact Oxford English Dictionary definition of democracy, but representative government.

00:14:05.000 She isn't able to do that.

00:14:07.000 Her video, or rather, her speech is pretty shocking if you do watch it.

00:14:11.000 Firstly, she uses the word ethno-nationalist five times, and the cherry on top is a new word she'd created called ethnic negativity.

00:14:22.000 And she does this deliberately.

00:14:23.000 It's the same as calling everyone racist.

00:14:27.000 Now, this, in my opinion, is demagoguery.

00:14:30.000 Demagoguery, of course, we are told Trump is a demagogue playing to the prejudice of ordinary people.

00:14:36.000 But in her speech, Pelosi is practicing demagoguery, and I'll explain.

00:14:40.000 Demagoguery, playing to the prejudices.

00:14:43.000 In this case, Pelosi is playing to the prejudices of ordinary progressive Americans, of even the elites.

00:14:51.000 The prejudice is that if you are a Trump supporter, if you are a MAGA, if you are even conservative or would dare consider voting Republican, you must be a racist.

00:15:03.000 You must be an ethno-nationalist.

00:15:05.000 That is a prejudice. 0.91

00:15:07.000 A prejudice that is so obviously ridiculous, not least because of CNN's poll last month, when they showed that the black vote for Trump has gone from something like 12% to something like 28%. 0.89

00:15:20.000 That Hispanic vote for Trump has gone up to 48%. 0.98

00:15:24.000 So, unless Pelosi thinks these are ethno-nationalists, this whole argument is ridiculous. 0.97

00:15:30.000 But it's a continuation of Hillary's deplorables. 0.97

00:15:34.000 It's writing off half the country as racist. 0.84

00:15:37.000 And everyone's fed up with that dialogue.

00:15:40.000 So, but that's not the worst thing in her speech, by the way.

00:15:44.000 The worst thing is she says, she uses the word block.

00:15:48.000 She says that these people who, I guess, don't vote Democrat are blocked, she used the word blocked, from making good decisions and choosing democratic policy by, and she uses, I'll call it here, God, gays, and guns.

00:16:08.000 Well, more specifically, it's a muddle of words, but essentially she's saying God and their culture.

00:16:15.000 Yes, she thinks that God and the culture of half of Americans is stopping them from voting Democrat.

00:16:22.000 What is so frustrating for me or frustrating about hearing that is that she is completely unreconstructed from 2016.

00:16:31.000 When Trump won, instead of some much needed self-reflection about why he won, why their policy wasn't working, she still is of the assumption that people are too uneducated. 1.00

00:16:45.000 They're too stupid. 0.99

00:16:46.000 This is another thing we hear all the time, and she said it in a speech: the uneducated, as if they're not smart enough, they're not educated enough to see the correct choices between them. 1.00

00:16:59.000 It's such arrogance, and it's really sickening, actually.

00:17:03.000 That's a very important point.

00:17:05.000 Very important.

00:17:06.000 I totally agree.

00:17:07.000 I want to play Cut 105 quickly here.

00:17:08.000 Let's play Cut 105.

00:17:11.000 Of these poor souls who are looking for some answers.

00:17:15.000 We've given them to them, but they're blocked by some of their views on guns.

00:17:20.000 They have the three G's: guns, gays, God. 1.00

00:17:23.000 That would be a woman's right to choose.

00:17:26.000 And the cultural issues cloud some of their reception of an argument that really is in their interest.

00:17:34.000 I mean, I hear this, and I get optimistic.

00:17:37.000 This is the intellectual, like how shallow intellectually they are.

00:17:43.000 I mean, all they know is political power.

00:17:46.000 And I want to make a point here before we have to take a break.

00:17:49.000 Democracy at this point, or what they call democracy, is just a protection racket of the powerful.

00:17:54.000 That's essentially what it's become.

00:17:56.000 I want to play this tape here.

00:17:58.000 This is very, very important, which is the amount of corporate power that is being consolidated at the top level of the ruling class.

00:18:08.000 You would think the left is involved in an unsustainable political strategy.

00:18:13.000 And Winston, I want to compliment you.

00:18:14.000 You did excellent.

00:18:16.000 And it is very similar to something I said to a far lower-profile individual, a college student at University of Utah, where he said, Charlie, the right conservatives are all about the rich and the powerful.

00:18:26.000 And he never heard the argument that the wealthiest counties in Washington, D.C., over around the country, overwhelmingly vote for the Democrat Party.

00:18:35.000 The wealthiest counties are around Washington, D.C. You highlight this talking about the biggest companies are in cahoots with big governments.

00:18:46.000 They're not there to actually regulate these companies or break them apart, but instead to protect them.

00:18:52.000 Play Cut 100.

00:18:53.000 U.S. corporations spend over $2 billion a year lobbying in DC.

00:18:59.000 Two-thirds of Congress receive funding from pharmaceutical companies.

00:19:05.000 Pfizer alone spent $11 million in 2021.

00:19:10.000 They made over $10 billion in profits.

00:19:14.000 No wonder then that 66% of Americans think the economy is rigged against them for the rich and the powerful.

00:19:24.000 And by the way, we used to have a word for when big business and big government were in cahoots.

00:19:32.000 And I think any students here of early 20th century Italian history know what I'm talking about.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, that's the F-word.

00:19:39.000 The F-word you're not allowed to say, Winston Marshall.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, well, so the point I'm trying to make here, I'm sure everyone's already picked up on, is that, well, how can if you're supposed to represent the people, how exactly are you supposed to represent the people and also take money from these giant corporations?

00:20:00.000 These corporations wouldn't give you money if it wouldn't pay off.

00:20:05.000 So how can you represent the people and simultaneously these corporations?

00:20:09.000 It's impossible.

00:20:10.000 And I have to add, it's an important note, is that half of Congress are also in the pocket of the gun lobby.

00:20:17.000 So this isn't just a democratic problem.

00:20:20.000 I think it's left and right.

00:20:22.000 And I really think that the populist movement, which we've seen, isn't a right-wing populist movement.

00:20:29.000 It's at the moment appears right.

00:20:32.000 No, I think that's a smart point, Winston.

00:20:34.000 I do want to challenge one part about the gun issue, that the difference is that there are tens of millions of gun owners that represent the gun lobby.

00:20:43.000 There are not tens of millions of enthusiastic Pfizer supporters in the country.

00:20:47.000 So I totally understand the connection you're trying to make there.

00:20:50.000 I'm part of the gun lobby because I own a lot of guns and I want to see not a lot of Second Amendment restrictions.

00:20:56.000 However, I will say, though, that there really is not a populist movement on the left as it used to be.

00:21:02.000 The Bernie Sanders wing of the Democrat Party has been muted.

00:21:06.000 They are pro-war. 0.95

00:21:08.000 They're pro-funding the defense contractors, pro-mandatory vaccine.

00:21:13.000 And they vote for Pelosi time and time again.

00:21:16.000 So let me, and I don't want to spend too much time on that, but let me ask you a question.

00:21:20.000 Populism at its best, what does it look like, Winston?

00:21:24.000 Because some people would say populism is a means to mob rule and really bad ideas being accelerated just because the majority wants them.

00:21:33.000 How would you respond to that?

00:21:35.000 I will respond that.

00:21:35.000 Can we just go to the left-wing populism point?

00:21:37.000 Because I think it's an important point.

00:21:38.000 Yes, please.

00:21:39.000 So Bernie was the left-wing populist movement, and he was snubbed out by the elite DNC, the elites in the DNC.

00:21:49.000 And they were very successful in getting rid of them.

00:21:52.000 And it's very important to note that 25% of Bernie supporters did not support Hillary.

00:22:01.000 And half of that 25% voted for Trump.

00:22:04.000 So the point being is that the populist movement isn't a left-right thing.

00:22:08.000 It's an up-down thing.

00:22:10.000 And it was the case that they got rid of Bernie.

00:22:15.000 But I would say that there was Occupy Wall Street was a left-wing populist movement.

00:22:19.000 You can actually go back all the way to 1999 and the battle for Seattle, which was very much the start of the left-wing populist movement.

00:22:28.000 And there's actually anti-globalization.

00:22:29.000 So there's aspects of that movement that have come across the right-wing populization because there's a lot of people, whether they think that these solutions are left or right-wing economically, they might agree on what the problem is, which is what the populism is.

00:22:47.000 That's the populism.

00:22:49.000 Which comes to answering your second question about the good aspects and the negative aspects of populism.

00:22:55.000 I address some of the negative aspects of populism.

00:22:58.000 I make the point in my speech that all political movements, whether they are populist or not, are susceptible to violence.

00:23:07.000 Who could forget the insurrection of June and July 2020 at the Portland Federal Courthouse, something I challenged Pelosi on?

00:23:16.000 I didn't mention in my speech that one of the common attacks on populism is that it's against pluralism.

00:23:24.000 It's against pluralistic society.

00:23:27.000 But then I would say that all political movements are a danger to pluralism.

00:23:32.000 The very recent example of that is the 2023, I think it was 2023, it might have even been earlier this year, when the Supreme Court judged that Harvard were breaking the constitution by not allow or by how they treated Asian applicants to their university, Harvard and other universities.

00:23:55.000 And that's democratic policy.

00:23:58.000 That's democratic ideology that... that certain groups should be treated differently.

00:24:04.000 And that's not populist.

00:24:06.000 So my point being that all political movements have the ability of the tyranny of the majority, to use de Tocqueville's language.

00:24:13.000 What is populism at its best?

00:24:15.000 Well, in simple terms, and again, this is what I argue in my speech, what is the point in universal suffrage if not to keep elites in check?

00:24:24.000 What is the point in universal suffrage if not to keep our political leaders accountable?

00:24:33.000 I'm not against elites.

00:24:35.000 We need someone to run countries.

00:24:36.000 We need someone to run businesses.

00:24:38.000 I'm not against people being wealthy.

00:24:41.000 A lot of the time, maybe even most of the time, they've earned that money and it's fair enough that it's theirs.

00:24:49.000 But we want a fair society.

00:24:51.000 We want everyone to feel like they can play and they can be a part of society.

00:24:56.000 And that's why we even have democracy, I think.

00:24:59.000 So even though technically or semantically populism is not equal to democracy, I would say that they're pretty damn close.

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00:26:14.000 So the contention, I suppose, from people like Pelosi, and I want to give her an opportunity to defend herself again so people can hear this. 0.65

00:26:23.000 She says democracy itself is on the ballot in America.

00:26:26.000 Well, it's funny.

00:26:28.000 Donald Trump, who I'm obviously an enthusiastic supporter of, running for office and going through the means of trying to win the election again is the most small deed democratic thing one can do.

00:26:39.000 Play cut 106.

00:26:41.000 We think democracy is on a ballot in America.

00:26:45.000 It's a victory that we must win because it will only make matters worse if they have another stay at what they're doing to the courts in our country, the fear that they're instilling in jourists in our country, 0.97

00:27:00.000 the suppression of the vote in our country, the role of their big, dark, rich billionaire donors who don't want to pay taxes, suffocating the airways from the fossil fuel industry and the gun industry and the rest of that.

00:27:16.000 So money and populism sadly have gone together with this ethno-nationalist anti-what they call elite, which we call education, free press, and the rest.

00:27:30.000 There is a lot there, Winston.

00:27:32.000 That was just a lot of little soundbites that she combines together to try to make herself seem intellectual.

00:27:39.000 Let's focus on one thing.

00:27:40.000 She says, well, the billionaires running ads, the wealthiest people absent Elon Musk in America are all behind the Democrat Party, Winston Marshall.

00:27:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:50.000 And not only that, I think Biden is the biggest recipient of dark billionaire money in American politics today.

00:28:00.000 What happened after 2016 is that, and it's continuing today, the Democrats seem to have given up on the fact that they can persuade people and they've mobilized all of the institutions which they run.

00:28:14.000 So that's everything from the media, mainstream media.

00:28:18.000 The perfect example of that is how they snuffed out.

00:28:22.000 No one reported on the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was but a month before the 2020 presidential election.

00:28:30.000 The only people to do so were the New York Post.

00:28:33.000 And that's just one example of how the mainstream media not only showed their contempt for democracy, but also the people.

00:28:44.000 But that story continues with how everything we saw through the Twitter files about how big tech are responding.

00:28:53.000 So all of tech was mobilized against the people.

00:28:59.000 We only have an insight, really, apart from little bits here and there into what happened at Twitter because of Elon Musk's purchase of the company.

00:29:07.000 We saw through the Twitter files, then continued how intelligents were contacting big Twitter and others to try and snuff out stories, snuff out anyone who went against government narrative on COVID.

00:29:23.000 That was one example.

00:29:24.000 But also we saw exposed, Matt Taibi did a fantastic exposing of the Hamilton 68 project and Russia Gates, how they had to bring into question the legitimacy of 2060 of Trump's 2016 victory.

00:29:41.000 So they, and that's not just the start of it.

00:29:45.000 So Winston, what can be done to unite then the populist instincts of the left and the right to better our societies in the West?

00:29:53.000 What can be done?

00:29:54.000 What can we agree on to try and have a successful movement against these corrupt and less than desirable elites and our, let's say, infected ruling class, Winston?

00:30:11.000 Well, you'd be better equipped to answer that for your great country, a country, of course, that I love very deeply.

00:30:17.000 I think one thing that can be done is to stop being politically correct, stop worrying about telling the uncomfortable truths.

00:30:28.000 And that even means addressing mistakes made on whatever side you happen to be on, right or left, populist or anti-populist.

00:30:36.000 I think a bit more honesty would go a long way.

00:30:41.000 But honestly, the real problem lies with the blinkered worldview of these elites who are desperately clinging to power.

00:30:50.000 And I'm not sure exactly what can be done for people like Madame Pelosi.

00:30:56.000 I don't think that they are prepared to engage.

00:31:00.000 We saw only last week, she recommended that Biden not get on stage with Trump for the debates before the election.

00:31:08.000 These people don't even want discourse.

00:31:14.000 There's no honor or dignity in that.

00:31:16.000 And it's very frustrating.

00:31:19.000 I just hope that the new generation of young people.

00:31:23.000 I'll tell you one thing.

00:31:24.000 It's very important when we see corruption like we see about in these elites, it's tempting to become anti-that.

00:31:33.000 And of course, I'm against that, but we don't want to become what they are.

00:31:38.000 We want to be the example that they're not, which means engaging with political opponents, which means assuming whenever possible the best or having good faith conversations with people who might have completely different visions of the future and finding common ground because I think the populist of right and left in your country and mine often agree on what the problems are.

00:32:03.000 I know this, what I'm talking about seems very idealistic and utopian, but what can I possibly say?

00:32:13.000 So, in closing here, Winston, final impressions from your dialogue with Nancy Pelosi and did they determine a winner?

00:32:22.000 Well, we got absolutely whooped in the room.

00:32:26.000 I think we lost like something 170 to 60.

00:32:30.000 You could tell that the room, there's at one point she starts during my speech, she starts ranting about January 6th and the room applaud her.

00:32:42.000 That's not to say there weren't people in the room who were on my side at the end of the debate.

00:32:48.000 Maybe a dozen young lads, maybe some of them listen to your podcast, Charlie, came up and were grateful that I said the uncomfortable stuff.

00:32:57.000 But if you look at the response online, it's been pretty impressive.

00:33:02.000 I've had the displeasure of viral moments before, and I would say that this one has been almost 100% positive because I think there's truth in what I'm saying.

00:33:14.000 I think that people are resonating with the basics of my argument.

00:33:19.000 And there hasn't really been a huge attack on the content of what my saying from the other side.

00:33:26.000 And maybe it's, you know, it's been covered in alternative media, but and I've done Piers Morgan and Rogan mentioned it, and you're talking about it, but it's been completely ignored in mainstream media, despite its massive virality online.

00:33:42.000 That tells us a lot about what's going on in mainstream media, at least.

00:33:49.000 But I guess, yeah, I think that's, well, I think it's been a positive moment anyway.

00:33:59.000 Winston Marshall, excellent work.

00:34:01.000 Thank you for your time and check out the Winston Marshall Show.

00:34:03.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:04.000 Thanks for having me on, Charlie.

00:34:05.000 And congratulations on your new child.

00:34:09.000 I send blessings to you and your wife.

00:34:12.000 Thank you.

00:34:13.000 That is the best news.

00:34:14.000 So thank you, Winston.

00:34:15.000 Appreciate it.

00:34:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:17.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:19.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 24, 2024

Pelosi Vs. The Populist Music Star with Winston Marshall

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