The Charlie Kirk Show - Pfizer Docs + 2000 Mules—Debunking the "Fact Checkers"

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:03.000 Charlie Kirk is taking some time away from the microphone, and we're excited that he's doing that.

00:00:09.000 This is producer Andrew Colvett filling in for Charlie.

00:00:13.000 Honored to do so.

00:00:14.000 We have a blockbuster episode here.

00:00:17.000 We talk about things you're not supposed to talk about, including Pfizer docs.

00:00:21.000 What's in them?

00:00:21.000 Why has it been trending?

00:00:23.000 What do they allege?

00:00:24.000 What do they not allege?

00:00:25.000 Why are the fact checkers coming after them? 0.60

00:00:27.000 And so much more.

00:00:29.000 We also bring on Dr. Keith Rose, who actually runs one of the largest urgent care networks in all of South Texas, an MD, one of the friends of the show.

00:00:38.000 We break it down and we explain what Bill Gates is saying about the vaccine all these months later.

00:00:43.000 What did he know and when?

00:00:44.000 And finally, we invite Jennifer Van Law, who is the managing editor of Red State, to break down 2,000 mules.

00:00:52.000 How are the fact-checkers trying to debunk it?

00:00:54.000 Why are they wrong?

00:00:55.000 Jennifer has the receipts.

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00:01:46.000 Dr. Keith Rose, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:49.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, honored to have you as always, my friend.

00:01:53.000 You are a wealth of knowledge.

00:01:54.000 You have been privately, you and I have been chatting a lot about, let's just call it the Pfizer docs.

00:02:01.000 All right.

00:02:01.000 It was trending on Twitter as soon as that happened.

00:02:05.000 You know, if you just Google Pfizer docs right now, all you will see is about 15 articles from Reuters, AP, Newsweek, fact-checking some of what they call the rumors on social media and conservative messaging boards.

00:02:22.000 I think this is a really fascinating conversation.

00:02:24.000 So I'm going to say like this, Dr. Rose.

00:02:28.000 I don't know how to interpret all of this data.

00:02:31.000 I'll be really honest, but we have pulled here on the show a lot of very interesting screen grabs.

00:02:38.000 Okay.

00:02:39.000 So that people have been pulling.

00:02:41.000 They've been analyzing it this way and that.

00:02:44.000 And I think it's completely fair game to talk about the Pfizer docs.

00:02:48.000 Now, for people who are uninitiated, Dr. Rose, tell us what the Pfizer docs are and how this became a news story to begin with.

00:02:55.000 Well, my understanding is that Pfizer wanted the documents that are now in the public domain held for 75 years, I believe, is what they requested.

00:03:08.000 And that in and of itself is bizarre.

00:03:13.000 I mean, that's about the equivalent of taking the national security safes and putting it in your museum and locking them up for five years.

00:03:20.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense when this kind of information should have been in the public realm.

00:03:26.000 Yeah.

00:03:27.000 That was just referring to Obama taking up it.

00:03:30.000 Yeah, no, what was their justification for doing that?

00:03:33.000 There wasn't a justification.

00:03:35.000 And that's, I think that you have to look at things.

00:03:37.000 We have a lot of content, but we also need to view that content in context.

00:03:43.000 And that's what I think the liberals of progressives are very good, is they corrupt the context of the content with, quote, fact checkers.

00:03:50.000 They tell you there's nothing to see here.

00:03:52.000 Move on.

00:03:53.000 And I think it's really important as American citizens.

00:03:57.000 It's not only that we have the right, but we have an obligation to future generations so that this doesn't happen again.

00:04:04.000 And what I mean by that is you have a lot of content pouring into the public domain.

00:04:09.000 You have people going over these Pfizer docs.

00:04:12.000 You have Pfizer officials on a Zoom call just a few days ago that was recorded on YouTube that talk specifically about the vaccine having a 71, 71 times higher chance of people that took the vaccine at a 71 times higher chance, the way they described it, of people getting a heart attack.

00:04:33.000 And they said for every one person the vaccine helped, two were injured.

00:04:37.000 Now, you can have fact checkers debunk that, but those are their words, not mine.

00:04:43.000 Those are the FDA words on a Zoom call.

00:04:45.000 Yeah, I see this right here.

00:04:46.000 So this is from Francis Buell or Boule.

00:04:50.000 I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name.

00:04:52.000 He says, FDA in their virtual meeting yesterday, quote, we were falsely misled by Pfizer about the safety of the vaccine.

00:05:00.000 Heart attacks are 71 times higher than other vaccines.

00:05:05.000 The vaccines are killing two people for every one life saved.

00:05:09.000 And then it said, and we'll try and pull this really quick.

00:05:12.000 It says, listen from the four-hour, 20-minute mark.

00:05:15.000 But that's it.

00:05:15.000 I mean, no wonder this is causing such a reaction.

00:05:19.000 I mean, you know, folks listening in the audience, remember we've played this montage before of big pharma and how they advertise on CNN, MSNBC, like all the mainstream news networks.

00:05:33.000 There is a lot of money in this.

00:05:34.000 So when you have something like this, where Pfizer is forced to share these documents ahead of schedule before they're, you know, asking to, I mean, they asked for 75 years and a judge blocked that.

00:05:50.000 This is a bombshell story.

00:05:52.000 Now, so it doesn't surprise me that you would see a lot of media attention on it.

00:05:57.000 It doesn't surprise me that you'd see a lot of fact checkers on it.

00:05:59.000 There's also, Dr. Rose, there's a lot of information about, I guess, pregnant women, right?

00:06:05.000 There was 124 mother cases and they said 75 serious cases, including 25 PTs abortion spontaneous.

00:06:16.000 Have you read into this as well?

00:06:18.000 I have.

00:06:18.000 In fact, if you look at it, only one person that was pregnant in that section of the study didn't have a problem.

00:06:25.000 I mean, that's unheard of.

00:06:27.000 But here's the thing that's that again, it's content and context.

00:06:32.000 The content of the Pfizer documents just came out in the same context.

00:06:36.000 And I want to back up for a second.

00:06:38.000 I'm going to get to the pregnancy issues.

00:06:40.000 But when you talked about there was injuring two or killing two people for every one person it quote saved, then you had someone intimately involved with the development of the vaccine, and that's Bill Gates, who was just recorded the other day as saying, we now know that the vaccine didn't work.

00:07:00.000 I'm paraphrasing, but he said it didn't prevent transmission and it didn't prevent acquisition of the disease.

00:07:08.000 That's the words of Bill Gates.

00:07:10.000 So then you have.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, let's go ahead and play that, Keith.

00:07:13.000 I want to play it so everybody can hear it in his own words.

00:07:15.000 That's cut 31.

00:07:16.000 Let's play cut 31.

00:07:18.000 Well, once Omicron comes along, the vaccine is not reducing transmission hardly at all, particularly about three or four months after you take the vaccine.

00:07:27.000 So we need to fix that.

00:07:29.000 And there's good ideas about how to do that.

00:07:32.000 The other thing is duration.

00:07:33.000 You know, we're seeing through a variety of the data, Israel data, UK data, that particularly if you're in your 70s, within four or five months of taking the vaccine, the protection really is going down.

00:07:48.000 Right.

00:07:48.000 And then he also said it didn't keep you from getting the disease.

00:07:52.000 So it was earlier in that clip.

00:07:55.000 So my question to Bill Gates or his smart experts is that if you have a medication, an experimental vaccine that doesn't prevent the transmission of a disease or the acquisition of the disease, by their own words, it makes you have less severe symptoms.

00:08:15.000 That would be a therapeutic.

00:08:17.000 It would not be a vaccine.

00:08:18.000 And I don't understand how physicians that when you go to medical school, and back when I went to medical school, I remember our graduation, we had someone come up and speak about how physicians he felt were truly the last group of professional people that really adhered to the maxim, you know, primum non-necessary, first do no harm.

00:08:46.000 But I think we've lost that moniker because we have at least a group of physicians, unfortunately, a large number, that are doing harm either by omission or commission.

00:09:00.000 And I think they need to do no K-N-O-W harm because they're not recognizing that these vaccines are not a one-off. 0.83

00:09:09.000 They're not helping, but they are actually hurting.

00:09:12.000 So the Pfizer documents on top of Bill Gates' revelation gives the context that the vaccines are pretty insidious.

00:09:20.000 That with data from around the world, I think that's why you have the fact checkers spinning up in record numbers.

00:09:27.000 And again, to put context to everything, to this content, the fact checkers are not physicians.

00:09:34.000 They're not medical professionals.

00:09:37.000 They're, from what I understand, mostly millennials that are told what to say, what to do, and they just get out there and they say we're fact checkers.

00:09:46.000 And how do they take someone who spends 20, 30, 40 years of their life studying medicine, who understands the scientific process, who understands therapeutics, who understands pharmacology, who understands biochemistry?

00:10:01.000 And then you have someone saying, well, you're wrong because the science doesn't show us that.

00:10:06.000 I mean, it's not the first time we've seen this.

00:10:08.000 We saw this back in the 70s when the former director of the CDC after swine flu had killed 4,000 people, or excuse me, killed 50 people and they stopped the vaccine.

00:10:18.000 It had injured 4,000, came out.

00:10:20.000 And when he was asked by Mike Wallace, Chris Wallace's father, he was asked by him.

00:10:26.000 Mike Wallace asked me, he said, why didn't you stop when you saw these people being injured?

00:10:31.000 And his quote was, that's not what the science showed us.

00:10:35.000 So the science is some nebulous data point.

00:10:41.000 And it's not because the science is always changing.

00:10:44.000 Science changes every year because we're constantly learning.

00:10:48.000 There's no such thing as settled science.

00:10:50.000 Well, you know, it's interesting too.

00:10:52.000 And so I want to play another clip for Bill Gates here from that same talk he was giving.

00:11:00.000 That's just cut one.

00:11:02.000 Let's go ahead and play it and we'll react to it after that.

00:11:05.000 Cut one.

00:11:06.000 It wasn't until early February when I was in a meeting that experts at the foundation said, there's no way, you know, there's been too much travel without diagnosis for us to contain this.

00:11:21.000 And then at that point, we didn't really understand the fatality rate.

00:11:25.000 You know, we didn't understand that it's a fairly low fatality rate and that it's a disease mainly of the elderly, kind of like flu is.

00:11:34.000 So I'm glad we didn't overreact, right, Dr. Rose?

00:11:34.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 Well, I just appreciate the fact that Bill Gates and his experts, as soon as they realized that there was no way to, quote, contain this, came out and said that lockdowns weren't effective and that let's not crush the economy.

00:11:51.000 Let's not cause an increase in drug use and suicides.

00:11:55.000 Let's not destroy jobs.

00:11:57.000 Let's do something different.

00:11:59.000 It's interesting.

00:12:00.000 He talks about it.

00:12:01.000 And if you're watching talk, he's just kind of rattling off the top of the head like there were no consequences to this.

00:12:08.000 No, it was his group that funded the IHME that gave us these bogus projections in the beginning that forced all the lockdowns.

00:12:16.000 It said there were going to be millions and millions of deaths.

00:12:19.000 So Amia Kulpa, two years later, I mean, it's not even Amia Kulpa.

00:12:24.000 It's like, oh, I guess we got it wrong.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, by the way, you started this whole exchange talking about how the science is changing and how they use that time and again to justify the most absurd conclusions.

00:12:34.000 And yet here you go basically saying, hey, the science didn't change.

00:12:38.000 As a matter of fact, back in February, we knew there was no containing this thing.

00:12:41.000 So why did they even try and contain it to begin with?

00:12:44.000 And you were actually the one that taught us on this show that you have never used lockdowns.

00:12:49.000 You've never used quarantining to quarantine the healthy.

00:12:53.000 It was always historically used to contain the sick.

00:12:56.000 That's a tremendous clip from Bill Gates, basically admitting that we had a coordinated overreaction and he knew in February.

00:13:04.000 Here's what's really interesting.

00:13:06.000 So the Pfizer docs drop.

00:13:07.000 People are digging through the data.

00:13:09.000 There's thousands of pages of data.

00:13:10.000 A lot of it's just raw data.

00:13:12.000 A lot of people are going to make sense of it heads or tails.

00:13:15.000 It can be difficult.

00:13:16.000 But it really started when Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted about this.

00:13:20.000 So in her tweet, Green shared a screenshot of a document released by the Food and Drug Administration, which she took as meaning that 1,223 people died during Pfizer's post-authorization adverse events report.

00:13:32.000 A number of other conservative figures also posted why they are skeptical about the safety of the vaccine with Pfizer documents hashtag.

00:13:40.000 Here's their, this is Newsweek.

00:13:41.000 While the report discussed adverse reaction to the vaccine in a 90-day period and the figures are genuine, the pharmaceutical company has said the documents do not link the vaccine as being responsible for the people's death.

00:13:53.000 So basically, they're saying that the fatalities listed in the report are among nearly 160,000 adverse effects.

00:14:02.000 The cause of each fatality is not verified and therefore may also include those who had various illnesses such as cancer or cardiovascular disease, says a Pfizer spokeswoman.

00:14:14.000 So let me just make sure I'm getting this straight, Dr. Rose.

00:14:18.000 Pfizer is basically saying, oh, these aren't, you know, this isn't real data.

00:14:23.000 And Marjorie Taylor Greene's full of it because, you know, we can't verify all of this.

00:14:27.000 Isn't this the same excuse that those on the left used to debunk the VARES data because they said they couldn't verify all the adverse events?

00:14:37.000 Is this what's happening here?

00:14:38.000 Right.

00:14:39.000 You have to understand when you listen to the mainstream media or liberal progressives, I call it the rule of exchange.

00:14:47.000 They exchange one set of data for another set of reasons and they use it back and forth.

00:14:53.000 A great example is the governor of your state, Gavin Newson, who is now trying to take the medical license from any physician.

00:15:01.000 They're pushing a bill right now at your state legislature to take the medical license from any physician that, quote, promotes misinformation.

00:15:11.000 And at the same time, Gavin Newsom, who locked down an entire state and is trying to force vaccines, was out, I think it was 72 hours ago.

00:15:21.000 And his quote was, he's upset about Roe versus Wade.

00:15:25.000 And he said, remember, my body, your body, your choice.

00:15:29.000 So again, liberals use the slogans that fit their narrative.

00:15:35.000 And if you say anything else, like you said, it's misinformation.

00:15:38.000 So they don't, they're not, we're not working on a level playing field.

00:15:41.000 So you have to bring context in to show how far off these guys are, how far off the mark they are.

00:15:49.000 And speaking of context, you know, you just read me a quote from Bill Gates that was so asinine that I assumed it was from February or March of 2020.

00:16:00.000 Read that for the audience.

00:16:01.000 This is a quote reported on Bill Gates when he was talking about Elon Musk takeover of Twitter.

00:16:09.000 And he said, you know, Elon Musk could make misinformation on Twitter worse.

00:16:15.000 And right after he said that, he was answering questions on COVID.

00:16:18.000 And he said, well, yeah, it comes from bats and it spread because of climate change.

00:16:22.000 So you have someone saying that Elon Musk is going to make misinformation worse.

00:16:26.000 And then you have someone basically talking misinformation.

00:16:29.000 But it's not just Bill Gates.

00:16:31.000 It's the same mainstream media and fact checkers.

00:16:33.000 Let's just keep it simple that said Hunter Biden's laptop was rushing misinformation, which we know because of Washington Post articles, New York Times articles, Hunter Biden's laptop is real.

00:16:46.000 And so, you know, you would think that if I was a liberal, it might cause me some cognitive dissonance.

00:16:53.000 You know, I might look at it and go, hey, this may not be correct.

00:16:57.000 But unfortunately, today, we have a lot of people that are specialists in propaganda.

00:17:02.000 That's why when you hear information come out and everyone's saying the exact same words and catchphrases, you can almost bet that that's misinformation.

00:17:11.000 Yep, the bumper stickers, beware of the bumper stickers.

00:17:14.000 And by the whole, one of the just flimsiest arguments is when they say, you know, your body, your choice, it's just plainly not their body.

00:17:24.000 I mean, in the vast majority of instances, that person chose to engage in intercourse.

00:17:31.000 There are potential consequences for that.

00:17:33.000 And sometimes, yes, it creates another body.

00:17:35.000 It's called a baby.

00:17:36.000 And that baby doesn't get a choice unless we fight for it.

00:17:39.000 But Andrew, look at this.

00:17:41.000 I mean, even their body, their choice.

00:17:43.000 Look, now, ever since Roe versus Wade, the Democrats have discovered the definition of a woman. 1.00

00:17:48.000 I mean, we didn't even know what a woman was until I had Roe versus Wade. 1.00

00:17:51.000 And now everyone understands a woman.

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00:17:56.000 So Happy Mother's Day to all those wonderful mothers.

00:17:59.000 We need you to be sane and just stand up.

00:18:01.000 Dr. Rose, wish we had more time per usual.

00:18:04.000 Thank you for joining us.

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00:19:37.000 So PfizerDocs is trending on Twitter.

00:19:41.000 It becomes a big trending topic.

00:19:42.000 Next thing you know, you see 15, 30 fact checks from Reuters, AP, Newsweek, all of the above, all the usual suspects.

00:19:51.000 And, but what's, there's a couple things that are very clear here.

00:19:54.000 And they're, and now they're debunking some of the debunking, using air quotes.

00:19:58.000 It's an air quote day.

00:19:59.000 Some of the tactics that they're using to debunk this data is the same tactics that they use to debunk various, right?

00:20:07.000 So they're basically saying, you can't trust any data, and yet, but you could trust us that this is a completely safe and effective vaccine.

00:20:16.000 And as Dr. Rose said, you know, it's not a vaccine, it's a therapeutic.

00:20:20.000 We even heard from Bill Gates himself saying that the vaccine stopped being able to protect people from the infection in the first place.

00:20:31.000 So this is a therapeutic.

00:20:32.000 The main point that they made with the therapeutic was that it reduced severity of illnesses.

00:20:38.000 How many times have we seen in recent memory of Kamala Harris or Jen Saki?

00:20:44.000 However, many people that have been boosted twice after the first two shots, so they've gotten four shots.

00:20:51.000 How many times have we seen them say, hey, I tested positive?

00:20:54.000 Never fear, I have been double boosted.

00:20:58.000 I'm very thankful that because of that, that the symptoms will not be severe.

00:21:04.000 Well, I know a lot of people that have not been vaccinated.

00:21:07.000 A, very few cases of people actually getting it that have not been vaccinated, at least in recent memory.

00:21:14.000 I got COVID in December 2020 and have not gotten it again.

00:21:19.000 I've been around groups where you might call them super spreader instances, and I did not, I never got COVID a second time.

00:21:28.000 Praying, obviously, that that would be the case.

00:21:30.000 Continuing on.

00:21:33.000 And I'm sorry if your situation is different than that.

00:21:36.000 I'm just telling you anecdotally, what I'm seeing is a lot of self-righteous progressives that brag and virtue signal about how they've been quadruple boosted, and here they are getting COVID.

00:21:49.000 All right.

00:21:49.000 So what the Pfizer docs tell us, this is true, right?

00:21:54.000 You can't debunk what's true.

00:21:55.000 They even admitted, as I read before in Newsweek, that the data is genuine.

00:22:01.000 Here's the following is a list, a condensed list of side effects found during Pfizer's vaccine trials.

00:22:07.000 Myocarditis and other serious heart problems.

00:22:10.000 Liver failure, blood clotting.

00:22:12.000 And I'm going to get back to blood clotting in just a second.

00:22:15.000 Acute interstitial pneumonitis, a whole host of autoimmune disorders, various musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders, gastrointestinal disorders, diabetes, herpes, thyroid disorder.

00:22:27.000 And by the way, there's like herpes all over the place, apparently.

00:22:30.000 It's just like an outbreak of herpes from this stuff.

00:22:33.000 Thyroid disorders, several neurological conditions, including multiple sclerosis, blindness, seizures, epilepsy, narcolepsy, eczema, blisters, asthma, fertility problems, which we discussed as well, inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn's disease, and I guess Julian Barr syndrome, if I'm saying that right.

00:22:54.000 So what's interesting about this as well is you have doctors like Dr. Keriarti, who we're going to have to get on this show.

00:23:02.000 I mean, we've flirted around the edges.

00:23:04.000 But I want to play his clip in quick succession with another clip.

00:23:09.000 Cut 32.

00:23:10.000 This is our brought to you by Pfizer montage.

00:23:14.000 I hinted about it earlier, but I want to play it because I think it builds out the next clip really well.

00:23:19.000 Cut 32.

00:23:20.000 Because brought to you by Pfizer, CBS Health Watch, sponsored by Pfizer.

00:23:25.000 Anderson Cooper 360.

00:23:27.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

00:23:29.000 ABC News Nightline.

00:23:31.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

00:23:33.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

00:23:35.000 All the mainstream news media gatekeepers brought to you by Pfizer.

00:23:40.000 Now, I'm going to play this clip from Dr. Cariarti.

00:23:45.000 Go ahead and play it.

00:23:46.000 And of course, yesterday's announcement about the Johnson Johnson vaccine.

00:23:50.000 I'm glad actually that the FDA is acknowledging that there is this concern about thrombosis, about blood clots with the JJ vaccine.

00:23:59.000 But Tucker, I got to be honest, I'm a little surprised that they're applying that level of scrutiny to the JJ vaccine, but not to the mRNA vaccines, not to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, because actually, if you look at overall safety issues, the JJ vaccine probably has a better overall safety profile.

00:24:20.000 So, this is what's interesting.

00:24:21.000 So, the FDA and the CDC come out and they warn about thrombosis, right?

00:24:31.000 So, blood clotting.

00:24:34.000 Very interesting.

00:24:35.000 Dr. Cariarti is basically saying what's the key point of intrigue here is that they're not attacking the other two vaccines that are mRNA vaccines, but they are attacking Johnson Johnson, even though Johnson Johnson actually has a slightly better safety profile than the other two.

00:24:56.000 Now, remember what I just played here: brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer.

00:25:02.000 The mainstream news media is paid for, bought, by Big Pharma.

00:25:07.000 So, why are they not attacking the Pfizer mRNA vaccine?

00:25:11.000 Maybe they don't have as big a pockets as Pfizer.

00:25:14.000 Maybe Johnson Johnson slumming it in the big pharma world.

00:25:19.000 This is shocking stuff, folks.

00:25:20.000 And I have a bunch of clips here from Dr. Naomi Wolf that we could play.

00:25:26.000 Let's play CUT 25.

00:25:27.000 I think it's a good way to end this segment.

00:25:29.000 Cut 25.

00:25:30.000 Moving on to what Pfizer knew in December of 2020, one month after the rollout of the vaccine.

00:25:39.000 Their internal documents show three categories, none of them good.

00:25:43.000 Vaccine failure is one, waning efficacy is another.

00:25:48.000 And the result of having COVID as a side effect is the third.

00:25:56.000 So I think that's pretty interesting.

00:25:57.000 Ties the point together that a lot of people that you know and that I know that have been triple, quadruple, boosted, these people tend to keep getting COVID inexplicably.

00:26:11.000 I'm not saying that I'm listening, I'm not a doctor.

00:26:14.000 I'm not going to make the direct correlation.

00:26:15.000 Other people like Dr. Naomi Wolf are certainly making the correlation.

00:26:19.000 I have not been vaccinated.

00:26:21.000 I have not gotten COVID since my original bout with the disease, with the virus.

00:26:28.000 And I know dozens and dozens of other anecdotal cases that would suggest that.

00:26:32.000 What Dr. Naomi Wolf is saying is that one of the side effects on top of death, infertility, myracarditis, herpes, it's COVID.

00:26:43.000 Folks, it's a massive, massive question.

00:26:46.000 It's a perfectly reasonable thing to debate.

00:26:49.000 And the fact-checkers want to shut us up.

00:26:50.000 And they want to shut us up about 2020, the November 3rd election, November 2020.

00:26:56.000 2000 Mules is an amazing new documentary out on Salem now.

00:27:01.000 Go check it out.

00:27:03.000 That also is worthy of debate, worthy of discussion.

00:27:07.000 Let's not let them shut us up, folks.

00:27:11.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:27:12.000 You've known it in your gut, and something just wasn't right about the 2020 election.

00:27:16.000 Well, guess what?

00:27:17.000 You were right.

00:27:18.000 And here's the proof you've been waiting for.

00:27:19.000 In Dinesh D'Souza's explosive new documentary, 2000 Mules, executive produced by Salem Media Group, you'll see jaw-dropping evidence of exactly how the Democrats pulled off the biggest heist in American history.

00:27:30.000 Drawn on meticulous research from the election integrity group True the Vote, 2000 Mules uses both cell phone geotracking data and video evidence to uncover a massive network of illegal ballot trafficking in all five key swing states.

00:27:42.000 Enough election fraud to change the outcome of the 2020 election.

00:27:46.000 Thousands across the country attended the national theatrical release.

00:27:49.000 Now you can watch from the comfort of your home, watch on any device with a web browser, gather friends, families, and skeptics alike, but don't miss it.

00:27:56.000 Go to salemnow.com to watch it today.

00:27:58.000 See the movie that Donald Trump calls a real blockbuster.

00:28:01.000 Go to salemnow.com to watch today.

00:28:03.000 That's salemnow.com, executive produced by the Salem Media Group.

00:28:09.000 One of the fascinating storylines of the last, let's say, six years, since the rise of President Trump through 2020, through COVID, through all of these different periods, is the role of the fact checker.

00:28:29.000 And if you've been listening to the entire show today, you will see that point after point after point, whether we were talking about the cabal in 2020, Molly Ball from Time Magazine that saved democracy, that saved the election, how there was a note in that article about how the progressives leaned on the fact checkers,

00:28:56.000 leaned on big tech to rein in misinformation, as they would call it.

00:29:01.000 Now we have the advent of the Ministry of Truth, Nina Jankowitz.

00:29:06.000 We have the funding from the DHS to make that happen.

00:29:12.000 Now we have COVID fact-checkers going after these FISA docs saying that all this information is being skewed and misinterpreted, even though they say the data is genuine.

00:29:27.000 Even though there's massive red flags that are being raised, I believe rightly so from the data.

00:29:33.000 Fact checkers there.

00:29:35.000 And now we have 2,000 Mules.

00:29:38.000 2,000 Mules, a film out from Salem Now, produced and directed by Dinesh D'Souza, friend of the show, friend of Charlie's.

00:29:49.000 We were honored to be at the film premiere at Mar-a-Lago last week.

00:29:53.000 It was a tremendous event.

00:29:55.000 A lot of great people were there.

00:29:57.000 And what do you have? 0.91

00:29:58.000 We have fact-checkers galore saying that this is basically rubbish.

00:30:07.000 That what Dinesh D'Souza has come up with in this amazing film that's documenting True the Vote.

00:30:15.000 And what True the Vote is, it's a nonprofit group out of Georgia.

00:30:18.000 We had a tremendous conversation with them on the show with Catherine Engelbrecht that are behind that effort.

00:30:25.000 And they walked through everything.

00:30:26.000 They walked through exactly what it took to get this project off the ground.

00:30:31.000 What did they do?

00:30:32.000 They spent millions of dollars.

00:30:33.000 They had supercomputers.

00:30:34.000 They crunched data.

00:30:35.000 They overlaid cell phone data with FOIA requested Dropbox video surveillance footage to see where ballot harvesters and mules that were trafficking data, like a cartel of drug smugglers would do.

00:30:50.000 And they cross-referenced and they came up with over 2,000 of these people that were illegally harvesting votes in the five key swing states.

00:30:58.000 And they determined that it was determinative, meaning that had these people not been cheating, that the outcome of the 2020 election would be different.

00:31:07.000 Now, you can disagree with that.

00:31:09.000 That's fine.

00:31:10.000 But what we're seeing is a concerted and coordinated effort to debunk it.

00:31:14.000 And what do we have on Twitter?

00:31:16.000 Of course, U.S. National News five minutes ago, film claiming the 2020 election voting scheme uses faulty assumptions and improper analysis of data, fact-checkers report.

00:31:28.000 So, a project that took them two years, the fact-checkers have already looked at and told you it's nothing to see here. 0.98

00:31:36.000 It's all bunk and garbage and rubbish.

00:31:39.000 That sorry, Twitter's letting you know that there's nothing here. 0.91

00:31:44.000 So, for all of you out there, I'm glad that you went and saw the movie, and I'm glad that you thought this might be a big thing.

00:31:50.000 Well, it's not, it's not.

00:31:51.000 The fact-checkers have spoken.

00:31:53.000 Never mind your lying eyes with that you can actually see people delivering multiple, multiple ballots.

00:31:59.000 Never mind the fact that once upon a time, now, see, one of the things that they're doing, New York Times watching you post, they're debunking this based on cell phone data.

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00:33:28.000 I am incredibly honored to have a friend of mine, fellow communist California native, stuck in the People's Republic as myself.

00:33:38.000 Jennifer Van Laar, she is the managing editor of Red State, a phenomenal website.

00:33:44.000 You guys need to check it out.

00:33:45.000 They do just a tremendous job.

00:33:47.000 And a large part of that is owed to Jennifer's work here.

00:33:50.000 Jennifer, welcome to the Charlie Kirk.

00:33:53.000 Welcome back.

00:33:54.000 Right.

00:33:54.000 It's been a while.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, it's been a while, but I saw you recently.

00:33:58.000 I saw you at CPAC, I believe, actually.

00:34:00.000 Yes.

00:34:01.000 And you had a tweet that was cracking me up the other day as another self-loathing California resident.

00:34:10.000 You said you were looking at properties in other states, and you said, I probably won't move ever, but there's an Eeyore vibe over this whole state.

00:34:20.000 And I was like, that's pretty well said.

00:34:22.000 So we all kind of feel it over here on the left coast, don't we?

00:34:25.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:34:26.000 All right.

00:34:27.000 Well, so we are not here to talk about California's misery, although we could probably go on.

00:34:32.000 Maybe we'll get there.

00:34:33.000 But we're here talking about 2,000 mules, okay?

00:34:35.000 This is a tremendous effort by True the Vote out of Georgia, nonprofit Katherine Inglebrack, and now Dinesh D'Souza took their information in this investigation they've been leading for two years now, turned it into a document, well, almost two years, and turned it into a documentary that has now taken the grassroots by storm.

00:34:52.000 Finally, the mainstream news media gatekeepers are waking up and they're like, oh, gosh, there's all these message boards and the telegrams and the they're all talking about this 2,000 mules.

00:35:01.000 We have to debunk it.

00:35:03.000 I saw that you had a great thread debunking the debunkers.

00:35:06.000 So I knew I had to have you on to talk about it.

00:35:09.000 Jennifer, break it down for us. 0.97

00:35:10.000 What are they attacking this movie for?

00:35:12.000 Twitter's got it right on their masthead saying this is out of context or whatever.

00:35:17.000 What is the main attack thread against 2000 mules? 0.52

00:35:20.000 And we can go from there why it's silly.

00:35:24.000 There's a couple main attack threads.

00:35:26.000 The first one is that the researchers with True the Vote and Greg Phillips in particular improperly used cell phone geotracking data.

00:35:36.000 And they were saying, oh, there's no way that it could be that precise to know if these people went to multiple ballot drop boxes and certain nonprofits within this month-long-ish timeframe.

00:35:49.000 You know, you could tell if they were a little bit away from it, but it's not precise in any way.

00:35:55.000 That's what their experts say.

00:35:56.000 They also say that there could be delivery drivers that go to multiple places in a day.

00:36:02.000 There could be election workers that repeatedly go to these ballot drop boxes, or they're placed in high traffic areas.

00:36:10.000 Or hey, people might have been taking it for their family, might have been taking a stack of ballots for their family.

00:36:15.000 And all of it is just BS.

00:36:18.000 Well, so you shared an article here from Washington Post, which I teased before the break.

00:36:22.000 You said your, it said your phone could reveal if you've had an abortion. 0.50

00:36:25.000 Internet searches, visits to clinics, and period tracking apps leave digital trail.

00:36:30.000 This is the first, this is hilarious because this article was written in May 4th.

00:36:36.000 Yeah, so this is updated.

00:36:37.000 Yeah, May 4th, 2022, and updated.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, so this week.

00:36:40.000 When someone gets an abortion, they may decide not to share information with friends and family members, but chances are their smartphone knows.

00:36:47.000 So their smartphone can know when they've had an abortion, but it can't track somebody if they go from Stash House to Stash House to Dropbox to Dropbox in the state of Georgia or Pennsylvania.

00:36:59.000 Apparently.

00:37:00.000 Apparently.

00:37:01.000 And in 2019, the New York Times did a big piece or a big series called The Privacy Project.

00:37:07.000 And it was the subhead was One Nation Tracked.

00:37:11.000 And showing, of course, then they were worried about Trump tracking all of the resistance people.

00:37:16.000 And so they wanted to raise fear about that.

00:37:19.000 But they showed in that that this precise data showed they had 12 million Americans and 50 billion location pings over a few month period.

00:37:29.000 And they were just telling everyone in that article, you never use your phone the same way again.

00:37:34.000 It can target who you slept with the night before if you went to a methadone clinic, all of these things.

00:37:39.000 So if it can do that, why can't you?

00:37:41.000 All the things.

00:37:42.000 Yeah.

00:37:43.000 All the things the left really cares about. 0.51

00:37:45.000 Did you do drugs and have sex with somebody that night and you don't want to tell anybody?

00:37:48.000 Right. 0.71

00:37:49.000 Yes.

00:37:49.000 Understood.

00:37:50.000 That's privacy.

00:37:51.000 Right.

00:37:52.000 According to the left.

00:37:53.000 Okay.

00:37:54.000 So let's just, I think it's important to kind of take one step back and kind of break down what we're actually talking about here.

00:38:00.000 So I said Greg Price earlier.

00:38:01.000 I apologize.

00:38:02.000 Greg Phillips and Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote.

00:38:06.000 So they took actual supercomputers.

00:38:08.000 They had supercomputers crunching data that they paid millions of dollars for the entire project.

00:38:15.000 And what they did was they tracked all these cell phone pings and then overlaid those cell phone pings on a map of the drop boxes.

00:38:23.000 Obviously, drop boxes were something new.

00:38:26.000 This was not some sort of drive-by night, you know, effort to kind of appease the itching ears of Donald Trump and say what he wanted to hear.

00:38:35.000 This was a very sophisticated effort to get to the bottom of whether or not they could prove their thesis, right?

00:38:42.000 Which was that maybe there was some illegal ballot harvesting.

00:38:45.000 You are a California resident.

00:38:47.000 We know ballot harvesting perhaps better than any state in the nation.

00:38:51.000 Jennifer, tell us what we know from our experience in the state of California.

00:38:57.000 How widespread can ballot harvesting get?

00:39:00.000 Is it effective?

00:39:01.000 Does it actually result in votes being moved?

00:39:05.000 And then reference what you're seeing in these videos from the movie.

00:39:09.000 So we know that it can be extremely effective in California.

00:39:12.000 That's why they made it actually legal.

00:39:14.000 The Democrats were doing it for years before it became legal.

00:39:18.000 And so, of course, with Lorena Gonzalez, one of our favorite assembly members, who's also a union show, they made that legal here. 0.93

00:39:26.000 And so, in 2018, we saw that blue wave of losing seven congressional seats in California and some pretty Republican areas.

00:39:33.000 And, like I told Ed Atzinger, who is former Salem CEO, just moved to a different position, but they helped to finance this movie.

00:39:41.000 And I told him, because he's another Californian, you know, we saw the dry run for this in California in 2018.

00:39:48.000 And I really believe that that's true.

00:39:51.000 So, how like what kind of, I mean, are we talking, and maybe you don't know it, and that's okay, but like when we're when we see ballot harvesting in a state like California, how many points can they move the vote?

00:40:01.000 Like, can they, is this like, can in the most sophisticated state here when it comes to ballot harvesting, the most track record, are they moving the vote three points, four points, five points, like a half point?

00:40:11.000 I mean, what's what are we actually working with here?

00:40:13.000 Well, I think it depends on what they need, right?

00:40:15.000 So, they do a lot of research to see exactly where they need to do things.

00:40:20.000 So, with California races, it's not as neighborhood specific, but nationally with the presidential race, they knew that they just had to get certain cities to tip the electoral college vote.

00:40:31.000 But within California, I think easily, you know, we saw what happened with the Katie Hill seat.

00:40:36.000 She won by what, seven points, I think it was in 18.

00:40:40.000 And then her, after she resigned, and then there was another election for that seat.

00:40:46.000 The first election after that, the Republican won by three or four points.

00:40:49.000 And then it was closer in the general.

00:40:52.000 But everyone was thinking that that district had really gone purple or perhaps blue, but that was just the effect of the ballot harvesting.

00:41:00.000 So, I mean, we're talking about Mike Garcia.

00:41:02.000 Obviously, he won back that seat.

00:41:05.000 And, you know, one of the things people don't realize is that the GOP in California, they ballot harvest now.

00:41:11.000 There was a big, they fought it, obviously, because I think intuitively, conservatives hate ballot harvesting, right?

00:41:18.000 I mean, it's one person, one vote.

00:41:20.000 I mean, I hate this voting month thing.

00:41:22.000 I mean, it's, if anything, it's exposed, this movie's exposed that, you know, when you when you give people a month to vote, uh, you're giving them a month of opportunity to cheat, right?

00:41:32.000 So when the GOP comes out in like the state of Georgia and we're saying, oh, you know, they passed this voter integrity measure, right?

00:41:39.000 Which is why they moved the all-star game from Atlanta, which was, you know, which had a larger black population because, you know, they're saying it was Jim Crow 2.0 or whatever.

00:41:48.000 And then they move it to Denver, which is, yeah, exactly right.

00:41:52.000 So, so, but, you know, they passed this voter measure, this voter integrity measure, and their argument, the GOP in Georgia, was like, hey, we're making it easier to vote.

00:42:00.000 Actually, we have more time to vote.

00:42:02.000 And I'm thinking to myself, it's like, you're, I mean, not only like, I'm glad there's signature verification in the Georgia vote, but like as conservatives, we should not be pushing things in the like longer time period to vote.

00:42:14.000 This is exposed.

00:42:15.000 It's not because we don't want people to vote.

00:42:16.000 We want people to vote.

00:42:17.000 But there is this much more room for shenanigans like we're seeing in 2000 Mules to play out.

00:42:23.000 We've seen it in California.

00:42:25.000 We know that it has a determinative impact in many cases.

00:42:28.000 And now, Jen, when you see the videos that are coming out of places like Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania that you see in 2000 Mules, does that pass the smell test?

00:42:37.000 I mean, when you, you are a California expert.

00:42:39.000 You really are.

00:42:40.000 I mean, anybody who wants to know what's going on in California, follow Jennifer Van Law on Twitter.

00:42:45.000 I mean, it's critical.

00:42:48.000 But does this pass the smell test?

00:42:50.000 Like what you're seeing in these videos, is this what you've seen?

00:42:53.000 Yeah.

00:42:53.000 Not at all.

00:42:54.000 I mean, in the AP fact check, they're saying they talked to one person.

00:42:57.000 So of course they use this anecdotal evidence from one person in Michigan who says, oh, I took six ballots from my family members to the Dropbox.

00:43:06.000 So they could have caught me on this film.

00:43:07.000 Well, no, in Georgia, these people went to an average of 24 drop boxes to take ballots.

00:43:14.000 So, unless this guy that's taking his family's ballots also goes to a bunch of other drop boxes, or he has a huge family, which that doesn't pass the spell test either.

00:43:24.000 You're not going to have 20 relatives who are too old to get to the ballot box, and you're going to be the one person that takes it.

00:43:31.000 I don't think so.

00:43:32.000 So, the videos that we see, the people are in the middle of the night.

00:43:36.000 They're taking pictures of the ballot drop box because that's how, according to True the Vote, they get paid.

00:43:42.000 They're wearing the blue gloves, the latex gloves, after a certain date because they after people were indicted for ballot fraud and fingerprints were what took them down.

00:43:54.000 So, then you start seeing the mules wearing these blue gloves.

00:43:57.000 And they ate the it's hilarious.

00:43:59.000 They said because it was cold in late December, because this was for the Georgia runoff.

00:44:04.000 Okay, everyone wears blue latex gloves because it's cold and then turns around and puts them in the trash can when they after they're done with the ballot box.

00:44:12.000 Sure, yeah, yeah.

00:44:15.000 Well, and I, and I, it's a really important point what you just brought up.

00:44:18.000 The point being that actually, Greg Phillips and Catherine Engelbreck, when they walked through this, how they chose the data sets that they were actually going to analyze, they set the threshold really high.

00:44:31.000 So, the name of the movie is 2,000 mules, but realistically, there's way more than 2,000 because this only focused on the swing states.

00:44:40.000 But, secondly, they set the criteria for who would get flagged in their searches so high because they didn't want false positives.

00:44:47.000 To your point, they wanted at least like 10 ballots, they wanted 10 different visits.

00:44:54.000 I forget the details, but they had to go to five of these nonprofits that were identified.

00:44:59.000 Now, True the Vote's going to release that information of what these nonprofits were.

00:45:03.000 We think it's things like unions or some of these Soros-funded orgs with the sunshiny names that Stacey Abrams, maybe. 0.99

00:45:11.000 What was that?

00:45:12.000 Stacey Abrams, maybe might be, yeah, all these orgs that are just supposed to be educating people. 1.00

00:45:18.000 And yet, they were out there being stash houses for these ballots once they were collected.

00:45:23.000 And then they were assigned out to these mules to take to various drop boxes.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, so I want to say cartels use these languages, this language, stash houses, mules.

00:45:37.000 There's a reason for this.

00:45:38.000 So, Jennifer, they're saying that we don't know for which candidate they're actually dropping off ballots, right?

00:45:46.000 So, they could have been, this could have been all ballot laundering for Trump.

00:45:52.000 So, what's the big deal?

00:45:55.000 Sure, yeah, okay, it could have been.

00:45:57.000 The point being, and someone on Twitter raised this last night to me, you know, well, you know, we don't know, blah, blah, blah.

00:46:04.000 But the point is, the numbers were there.

00:46:06.000 And this, like you said earlier, in this very narrow universe that True the Vote identified, there probably were a lot more of these mules taking part in the election.

00:46:16.000 Just within that universe, there were more than enough ballots illegally taken to these ballot boxes to have swung the election.

00:46:25.000 So, we think that that deserves some kind of investigation, especially since in these states, it was legal for people to have like their son or daughter take a ballot for them, but it was not legal to just give it to someone off the street to take in your ballot.

00:46:42.000 So, this was a legal activity taking place that needs to be investigated.

00:46:48.000 Right.

00:46:48.000 And, you know, actually, producer Connor's just bringing up a good point that in a movie, they describe they describe a crossover between Antifa and GMGA, the Georgia mules, right?

00:46:59.000 So, they cross-referenced geolocation data that they had on Antifa in the 2020 riots with the mule data and found that a decent number of these mules were also at the riot, were also at the riot.

00:47:10.000 I think it would be a stretch to suggest that Antifa was voting for President Trump.

00:47:16.000 I don't know.

00:47:17.000 So they have an answer for that.

00:47:18.000 It's a fairly compelling data point.

00:47:21.000 Some of them were saying, well, why would it be wrong for these people to go and peacefully protest the killing of a black person by law enforcement?

00:47:30.000 Or maybe it was people who were there as first responders.

00:47:33.000 So, okay, what firefighter or law enforcement officer do you know who has time to go to 24 drop boxes in addition to whatever they're doing for work?

00:47:43.000 It's hilarious.

00:47:45.000 Yeah, none of this is at all reasonable, but that's, you know, so one of the things that we've been talking about, though, is just the absurd nature of the fact-checking industry, which, you know, they touch on, this touches on basically all of the main issues of our time, right?

00:48:01.000 We had fact checks against the Hunter Biden laptop, proven true.

00:48:04.000 We had fact checks against the Wuhan lab league.

00:48:07.000 Basically, it's the predominant theory, even though Bill Gates apparently still talking about that it came from a bat, tweeting about that just last week.

00:48:15.000 We have fact checks against all sorts of COVID data points, masks, whether it be Ivermect and HGQ.

00:48:24.000 There's a lot of controversy around this, but the fact checkers come in and they basically tell you what the truth is.

00:48:30.000 And now we have the Ministry of Truth, right?

00:48:32.000 The DHS is setting up Nina Jankowitz, and they're coming now top of Twitter, even with Elon Musk.

00:48:38.000 There, people don't understand Elon is not in control yet.

00:48:41.000 He hasn't, he just is under the hood.

00:48:43.000 We don't actually technically know if this is going to go through.

00:48:46.000 Now, we have every indication that it will go through.

00:48:50.000 But the fact checkers come in and they offer absurd rationale for so much.

00:48:56.000 They make themselves the arbiters of truth and not truth.

00:48:59.000 And then we come in here and we're blocked from saying these things or we get fact checks or we get strikes against our social media accounts.

00:49:07.000 What are you guys doing at Red State?

00:49:08.000 How do you navigate this with something as contentious as the 2020 election?

00:49:13.000 We're hearing indications that Newsmax is declining.

00:49:18.000 Dinesh tweeted about it.

00:49:18.000 Newsmax is declining to cover it.

00:49:20.000 How do you guys handle that at Red State?

00:49:22.000 Wow.

00:49:23.000 Well, I still am covering it.

00:49:24.000 I wrote a piece last night about how true the vote is going to release all of their data that they have.

00:49:30.000 And but the thing is, it's already had on Facebook.

00:49:33.000 Someone emailed me this morning saying they couldn't share it because I forget what terminology they used, but basically that it was hateful or not good information to share.

00:49:45.000 So that's cut.

00:49:47.000 We're still working on these things.

00:49:48.000 We're still bringing this out because you can't be intellectually consistent and ignore this.

00:49:53.000 But also we have a VIP program that we have at Red State where people can just subscribe and pay directly for our content so we can try to get around financial reliance on Facebook and other big tech groups.

00:50:07.000 Well, Jennifer, you do tremendous work at Red State.

00:50:11.000 You guys are some of the good guys.

00:50:12.000 Thank you for being courageous.

00:50:14.000 People who don't know Jennifer, she was instrumental in breaking the Katie Hill news.

00:50:19.000 We have Mike Garcia in large part thanks to your reporting.

00:50:24.000 You do tremendous work.

00:50:26.000 And so thank you for being brave.

00:50:27.000 Thank you for continuing to cover this story.

00:50:29.000 And thank you for staying on it, Jennifer.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 10, 2022

Pfizer Docs + 2000 Mules—Debunking the "Fact Checkers"

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