The Charlie Kirk Show - Pick Up The Mic: Blake and Jack at Arizona State University

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

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00:01:09.000 I almost feel like we don't even need these speakers, but I guess the AV guys will say we do need them.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, we need to record it or that nonsense.

00:01:18.000 What's up, ASU?

00:01:20.000 What's going on, guys?

00:01:24.000 My second event to ASU, actually the first event we had here was just about six months ago, the first event that I had when we did the vigil for Charlie.

00:01:34.000 And I think that was one of the biggest vigils that had been done.

00:01:38.000 So I wanted to say thank you to everybody.

00:01:40.000 I know that a lot of people here helped to put that on.

00:01:42.000 I'm sure a lot of you guys were at that.

00:01:44.000 Most of you are probably there, right?

00:01:45.000 At that.

00:01:46.000 So just thank you for doing that.

00:01:47.000 That was a really special night.

00:01:49.000 And I remember it was an emotional night.

00:01:52.000 I think it was a very emotional night for all of us, I'm sure, just being there and being together.

00:01:59.000 Because you don't really know what else we can do in that.

00:02:03.000 But Blake Neff is here.

00:02:04.000 What's going on Blake?

00:02:07.000 Oh, man, I don't even know where to start.

00:02:09.000 I haven't been on the side of the table before.

00:02:12.000 So this is Blake's first ever turning point speaking to a chapter event of all.

00:02:21.000 So you've been up for Blake Neff.

00:02:23.000 You guys are very lucky or very unlucky.

00:02:25.000 And you can take your pick by the end of the night.

00:02:29.000 Oh, thank you so much.

00:02:30.000 Thank you.

00:02:30.000 But so Blake's background, so you guys don't know, is that he was a writer on the Tucker Carlson show for Fox News.

00:02:37.000 And after that, he came over to the Charlie Kirk show where three years, three years, worked there for three years.

00:02:45.000 And not only as a writer, as a researcher, but also, and this is going to be, and he's going to talk about it in a second, also as one of the guys that would help Charlie come up with his arguments that would help Charlie do the research, do the planning, do the back and forth, sort of like play out the debates a little bit.

00:03:07.000 And so when Utah happened last year, that was the first day of that tour.

00:03:17.000 As a lot of people, you know, may not realize, though, that there was this, when Charlie was going into tour mode, well, Blake, you can talk about this a little bit.

00:03:25.000 When Charlie was going into tour mode, I want to know what was that got over.

00:03:28.000 What was that training like?

00:03:30.000 You know, I think I'll start off with this, which is one of the most common questions we'd get at these events and on the show is people, young people would say, Charlie, how can I do what you do?

00:03:42.000 And I remember a conversation I had with one of our team members with Brian, and he said, these people don't know what they're asking because they do not want to do what Charlie does.

00:03:51.000 And I can confirm that.

00:03:53.000 Like, I saw Charlie doing the grind in and out every single day.

00:03:58.000 And I'll tell you, the last conversations I had with Charlie were preparing for an event just like this one, bigger, of course, but same thing, because he said, I need to be ready for everything they could throw at me.

00:04:10.000 So what's big right now?

00:04:12.000 Oh, well, people are upset about Israel-Gaza.

00:04:15.000 Prep me on that.

00:04:16.000 And then I need to be sharp on the Bible.

00:04:19.000 Let's study.

00:04:20.000 What does the Bible say on all of these topics?

00:04:22.000 The very last conversation I had with Charlie by text, not even in person, it was, Blake, remind me, what are all the good arguments for monogamy?

00:04:31.000 Which I think there's pretty good arguments for monogamy, but he's just refreshed them to me.

00:04:37.000 And, you know, why is monogamy better than polygamy?

00:04:40.000 Why is European monogamy better than the way anywhere else does it?

00:04:44.000 Why is divorce bad?

00:04:45.000 Blake, hit me. 1.00

00:04:45.000 Hit me, hit me. 1.00

00:04:46.000 Did he just think that he was going to get a question on monogamy?

00:04:50.000 Yeah, I think it probably was in his mind.

00:04:52.000 It was because it was Utah.

00:04:54.000 I think it literally was that.

00:04:55.000 No, it was like, he brought it up.

00:04:58.000 You know, and that's what Charlie was like.

00:05:01.000 And it wasn't just because that event was going on.

00:05:04.000 Charlie was able to go out and debate every single day because Charlie was effectively debating every single day with you and me in a friendly way.

00:05:15.000 But he always wanted to be prepared.

00:05:17.000 And he was always ready to learn.

00:05:19.000 So he would always be coming and saying, Blake, what's a good argument on this about immigration?

00:05:24.000 What's the truth going on with the border?

00:05:26.000 What's the truth with H-1Bs? 1.00

00:05:27.000 I'm hearing about this thing.

00:05:28.000 I would hear about that thing.

00:05:29.000 I would get, Jack, tell me about Russia.

00:05:31.000 What's going on?

00:05:32.000 What's going on with Russia?

00:05:33.000 Okay, bye.

00:05:34.000 And he would do that.

00:05:35.000 China.

00:05:35.000 Let's go over China.

00:05:36.000 Okay, bye.

00:05:37.000 And what was so exceptional with Charlie was the profound humility and that he was always ready to learn.

00:05:43.000 He was always ready to pick up a new expert who could teach him something.

00:05:47.000 And he was never discouraged by having a setback.

00:05:51.000 He was doing an event like this probably in his last year.

00:05:54.000 I bet he did 30 of them in a year or something like that.

00:05:57.000 And as someone who had to review every single one of those, just because we'd be posting them as podcast episodes, I will tell you, Charlie did not win every single debate he ever got in.

00:06:07.000 Charlie did not win every single exchange he had with students.

00:06:11.000 He had somewhere, they would go viral with the left where the highlight would be, oh, Charlie gets owned by student on this.

00:06:17.000 And he would get discouraged by it, but he would not be discouraged ever in a way that made him slack on his prep.

00:06:24.000 Every setback for Charlie was always an opportunity to just learn more, get better.

00:06:30.000 I think one of the best lessons you can get from Charlie, one of the reasons he achieved so much in barely 30 years of life is that Charlie understood that the person who fails the most actually succeeds the most.

00:06:43.000 That's cool.

00:06:47.000 He had these huge folders of debates and topics, and it would be color-coded.

00:06:55.000 And oh, hey, this is a section on.

00:06:58.000 When he was in his car, when he was flying, and he was such immense discipline over his time.

00:07:04.000 Okay, here's the taxes section.

00:07:05.000 Let me pull this up to taxes. 0.79

00:07:06.000 Here's something on immigration.

00:07:08.000 And he would just go to it, stats.

00:07:10.000 And the discipline over his time, because people would wonder about this.

00:07:14.000 So it literally, he'd get off the plane, and he'd say, all right, first thing first, let's call, let's call the family.

00:07:19.000 Calls up Erica, has his kids on the phone, talks to them for several minutes.

00:07:24.000 Hey, say hi to Blake, everyone.

00:07:25.000 And then do all of that.

00:07:26.000 He'd get it, close it, and then he'd go, all right, Blake, where were we on this?

00:07:30.000 And just instantly pivot over to this topic.

00:07:34.000 And then once he was done with me or Dan or anyone else in the team, he would just, he'd be going through his binders on his own as well.

00:07:42.000 Just memorize every single talking point.

00:07:45.000 And again, it's that every single defeat was a chance to build to a new victory.

00:07:49.000 Every single setback was a chance to get better.

00:07:53.000 And that was the grind that made Charlie a famous debater.

00:07:58.000 It was that and fearlessness.

00:08:00.000 And I can't say, as someone doing this for the first time, I know there's a lot of nervousness.

00:08:04.000 I can't say how he felt the first time he ever did it.

00:08:07.000 But what I can say is by the time I saw him out there, he was a guy who he wasn't afraid to argue in front of 100 people.

00:08:15.000 He wasn't afraid to argue in front of 3,000 people.

00:08:18.000 He wasn't afraid if this was going to be seen by 10 million people on Fox News or if it was going to go viral to 100 million people on TikTok.

00:08:26.000 And it was simultaneously never being afraid of the sheer number of people out there or ever forgetting when you're talking to just one person that it all hones in on that person and you have to speak to them as the individual.

00:08:40.000 And so I just loop back to people would always ask, how can I be like Charlie?

00:08:47.000 That's how you be like Charlie.

00:08:49.000 It is a truly daily endless effort.

00:08:52.000 You never slack.

00:08:53.000 You never get lazy.

00:08:55.000 And I think Jack, you and I can both attest that he was one of the best at it.

00:09:02.000 And we know because students like you would tell us that.

00:09:06.000 We know because of the emails we received.

00:09:08.000 But most of all, we know, and the reason we're here today, we know because someone was so afraid about the arguments that Charlie might make that rather than just grab that mic and make the argument against him, he took things into his own hands in a very different way.

00:09:27.000 And I'll even, you know, on that note, I'll address that, so I heard there was this situation with another group, the UNF America Tour, that they were trying to have an event on ASU's campus today as well.

00:09:43.000 And they actually came by.

00:09:46.000 They paid us a visit at the Turning Point headquarters earlier today.

00:09:49.000 And we broadcast that live on my show on Human Events Daily.

00:09:53.000 And we went out.

00:09:54.000 Blake and I went out and Andrew Colvett, who we work with, also went out.

00:09:58.000 And there had been some misconception.

00:10:00.000 And they were asking us if we played a role in having their event canceled.

00:10:06.000 And I said, not only did we not have a role in that, but also our event got canceled too.

00:10:12.000 So, you know, believe me, if we had that kind of poll, we would have obviously just stuck with our own regular event that we were planning to have.

00:10:19.000 And I feel like we had a pretty good conversation with them.

00:10:22.000 Some of those clips are going around right now.

00:10:24.000 I'm sure there's going to be some more as well.

00:10:25.000 And yeah, we chopped it up a little bit, you know, as Blake is saying here.

00:10:29.000 Which is what we'd want to do because what we want to do.

00:10:31.000 Charlie's, every time he did an event, it was those who disagree come to the front first.

00:10:37.000 It's an agreement fest.

00:10:38.000 And when we go to, yeah, when we go to the mic, that's exactly what we're going to say.

00:10:41.000 But I just wanted to add that that was something that we eventually all agreed with because they said, well, what do you think about us having a left-wing version of the Turning Point campus tour?

00:10:53.000 What do you think about that?

00:10:55.000 And I said, honestly, I would appreciate you guys doing this than a guy climbing up on a building and doing what he did to Charlie, right?

00:11:04.000 I think we can all agree on that.

00:11:06.000 And I certainly wouldn't want anyone doing that on the other side either.

00:11:12.000 So, because that's what it's all about.

00:11:14.000 That's what being American is all about.

00:11:15.000 That's what the First Amendment is all about.

00:11:17.000 That's what our country is all about.

00:11:19.000 That's what civic life is all about.

00:11:21.000 That you can't have the system of government that we have.

00:11:25.000 You can't have the system of laws.

00:11:27.000 And right there, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are right up on the wall.

00:11:31.000 They must have a law that requires that.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, there must be some law that has that up in every room.

00:11:34.000 Is that a law here in Arizona?

00:11:35.000 I'm not from Arizona, from Pennsylvania.

00:11:37.000 The other room we were in also had them.

00:11:39.000 But yeah, we noticed in the other room, too.

00:11:40.000 That's why I thought it might be there.

00:11:42.000 And that's the point, though, is that this is the system that we have.

00:11:47.000 We don't have a system where we resort to violence to hash out our disagreements.

00:11:54.000 We don't resort to violence.

00:11:56.000 We don't do that.

00:11:57.000 And that's why what happened to Charlie, not to go at it at length unless people have questions about it, but that's why what happened to him is so heinous because it was an attack on Charlie, but it was also an attack on the ideals of our country,

00:12:12.000 the ideals of our country, which are based on free speech, free debate, free dialogue, and the ability of someone to be able to get up in the public square and what could be more of the modern public square than a university campus and to be able to have those debates.

00:12:29.000 And that's what Charlie was all about.

00:12:32.000 How many of you know what a black pillar is?

00:12:34.000 Raise your hand.

00:12:35.000 Boo! 0.99

00:12:35.000 You don't like black pillars. 0.99

00:12:37.000 Yeah, you all know what black pillars. 0.98

00:12:38.000 So black pillars for those who aren't terminally online.

00:12:38.000 Get them out.

00:12:42.000 It's the person who is always a doomer, always defeatist, who says everything's going south.

00:12:46.000 And so either everything's going to collapse or only radical things can stop the collapse.

00:12:51.000 Blake, are you a black pillar mission?

00:12:53.000 They always would accuse me of this.

00:12:54.000 Probably because my name starts with B. His nickname, we do a Thursday podcast where it's all of us together.

00:13:02.000 And we do kind of nickname him Black Pill Blake.

00:13:04.000 Sorry about it.

00:13:05.000 No, but I want to emphasize that, that the system Charlie died believing in is that he was never a black pillar.

00:13:12.000 He was never a doomer.

00:13:13.000 He believed that this system that we have in America is one where you can go on a campus and you can win an argument and you can change people's minds.

00:13:21.000 And he lived that out because we saw him personally help turn the tide on big issues.

00:13:27.000 He turned the tide on who to vote for in 2024.

00:13:30.000 He turned the tide on the transgenderism issue, which is one reason he was so, that man hated him.

00:13:36.000 And he died believing that argument could carry the day in America.

00:13:41.000 He died believing that freedom of speech was the way we can resolve our differences.

00:13:47.000 He died telling people, you don't need a revolution.

00:13:51.000 You don't need to overthrow the state.

00:13:54.000 You don't need to do something crazy.

00:13:56.000 You can change this country with a microphone, with some bravery, and with some actual diligence, taking action.

00:14:04.000 Charlie was always the one.

00:14:05.000 Go out there, debate people, do things, organize, get out the vote.

00:14:10.000 That was Charlie's message.

00:14:12.000 That's what he died for.

00:14:13.000 And that's why you and I have to pick up the mic.

00:14:18.000 And I think that was, and I think ultimately, you know, the moment that, you know, and the one, I forgot the name, but she said to me that, you know, she had actually met Charlie once.

00:14:33.000 from the other tour and had and said, you know, well, one day, because she was looking at the Turning Point campus and said, you know, one day I want to get so big that we have buildings and a campus and all this to it.

00:14:45.000 And I said, okay, well, good luck.

00:14:47.000 And she goes, that's the same thing Charlie said.

00:14:49.000 Good luck.

00:14:50.000 I said, you know what?

00:14:51.000 Fine, because that's our system.

00:14:51.000 Good luck.

00:14:52.000 Our system is go out there, try to do it.

00:14:56.000 If you can't do it, try again.

00:14:58.000 If you fail, try harder.

00:14:59.000 That's what Charlie was all about.

00:15:01.000 Charlie never gave up.

00:15:02.000 And, you know, there's never going to be another Charlie Kirk.

00:15:05.000 And I don't like what people do that whole, I'm the next Charlie Kirk.

00:15:08.000 No, you're not.

00:15:09.000 Like, just stop.

00:15:11.000 There's only ever going to be one Charlie Kirk.

00:15:13.000 There's ever only was going to be one Charlie Kirk.

00:15:15.000 And there will only ever be one Charlie Kirk.

00:15:19.000 But in Charlie's absence, while he's away on assignment with God, that the worst thing we could do to honor Charlie's legacy and in those days afterwards and the hours and now here we are a month, six months after, the worst thing we could possibly do is to quit and give up and pack it up and say, all right, well, you know.

00:15:45.000 Whether it's giving up on the right or giving up on his strategy.

00:15:49.000 Right.

00:15:49.000 Because his strategy wasn't working, and that's exactly why he was killed.

00:15:54.000 So we're going to do what we can to try to keep Charlie's legacy going.

00:15:58.000 What do you guys think about that?

00:15:59.000 It looks like it works.

00:15:59.000 Should we do that?

00:16:00.000 Awesome.

00:16:01.000 All right.

00:16:01.000 Okay, all right.

00:16:02.000 Hi, Jacob Blake.

00:16:04.000 Honestly, it's great to see you guys here, like taking up your time to talk to us.

00:16:07.000 Like, thank you so much.

00:16:08.000 And I just want to say, God bless Charlie.

00:16:10.000 Like, he meant a lot to me on the street.

00:16:11.000 Amen.

00:16:12.000 I'm not the biggest disagreeer.

00:16:12.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:16:13.000 I'm just not agreeing on everything.

00:16:15.000 But my big question here is: I'm a Jewish student here at ASU, and I am more conservative, leading a conservative leading.

00:16:23.000 But around the conservative and greater right community, you do see a bunch of anti-Semitism, and the ADL has been pointing at it, and I've noticed it myself.

00:16:32.000 Other students have noticed it themselves.

00:16:36.000 What would you say for these Jewish students to do, and what should the leaders do to own up to this and try to fix this problem?

00:16:43.000 So are you saying that you see it on just on the right in general, or actually incidents on campus?

00:16:48.000 I mean, on the right in general, but then also there are some incidents on campus.

00:16:52.000 Can you tell us, any, just in detail?

00:16:53.000 I mean, I'm not sure how to get this.

00:16:55.000 I'm not putting you on the spot.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:16:58.000 Like, there are points where there are jokes made about the Jewish group that does perpetuate harm.

00:17:05.000 But I get their jokes, and I don't take it too much personally, but there are students that do.

00:17:09.000 So, what would you say to those students who feel like they're not welcomed in this community?

00:17:13.000 My first rule: I think, as always, it's always important to follow a principle of charity.

00:17:19.000 You say you know their jokes, and I think as long as they are jokes, don't hunt for offense because that alienates people.

00:17:26.000 But I think you are correct to see this problem.

00:17:28.000 I think this is something Charlie was super concerned about.

00:17:30.000 We talked about this even into his final days because it is owning this.

00:17:36.000 Yes, we do.

00:17:37.000 That's not you guys, and I appreciate that's not you guys because 100% because I know some people want to dismiss it as people just being paranoid, but it's not paranoia because we can see it clearly there's almost a germ that gets in some people's brains where it's extremely tempting for them to blame any problems in their country, any problems in the world, and let's be frank, any problems in their personal lives on the Jews.

00:18:05.000 Why is it them so commonly compared to Sidden to others?

00:18:08.000 I'm sure if I could solve that question, I could probably get a big grant from somebody.

00:18:12.000 But it is a recurring pattern, and you're right to be concerned about it.

00:18:18.000 Now, what you should do is, first of all, just don't make any apologies for who you are.

00:18:23.000 Don't allow anyone to intimidate you.

00:18:25.000 Don't allow anyone to say that you're a second-class American because of what your heritage is.

00:18:31.000 And as long as you're able to hold firm on that, I think you'll win a lot of respect from people.

00:18:37.000 And I think Charlie had a good disposition on this where he'd point out: like, don't pick, we shouldn't pick fights with people if they're critical of the nation-state of Israel.

00:18:46.000 It's not America, they're a different country. 0.98

00:18:48.000 You don't, you can disagree with people, but you don't pick fights with them or call them anti-Semitic if they dislike Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:18:55.000 He's a politician, and he's a foreign politician at that.

00:18:57.000 But we do have to draw a hard line.

00:18:59.000 If someone is going to be saying that the Jews control everything in America, like that's just not true, and it's paranoid. 1.00

00:19:06.000 And if they're going to say the Jews are responsible for why there's pornography or whatever things they come up with, you actually just have to, I'll be frank, I think those people just have to be called out as morons. 0.99

00:19:18.000 Because I think for a lot of them, it's just a low-hanging fruit. 0.96

00:19:24.000 And we are, I'll be frank, we're seeing a side effect of something that Charlie fought for that we all care about, which is true freedom of speech and getting rid of censorship.

00:19:33.000 It used to be five years ago, six years ago, we had rampant censorship on every single platform online.

00:19:40.000 And it did mean there was a lot less anti-Semitism on the internet, but it also meant you couldn't say what a woman really is. 0.97

00:19:47.000 You couldn't really criticize immigration.

00:19:49.000 You couldn't take a lot of views that we're now able to say.

00:19:51.000 And a side effect of Elon Musk buying Twitter, renaming it X, opening that up, a lot of other platforms, liberalizing so that we can say what we really believe is, it did have the side effect of enabling a lot of these people.

00:20:04.000 So we have to be tough because we have to win this argument with arguments.

00:20:10.000 We don't want to return to a world where censorship is rampant because that's where the left wins.

00:20:15.000 Yes.

00:20:16.000 Thank you so much.

00:20:21.000 I absolutely concur with that.

00:20:23.000 We can move next.

00:20:23.000 You're next.

00:20:27.000 How you doing?

00:20:28.000 Hi, good evening.

00:20:30.000 So, you know, I know a lot of you here knew Charlie Kirk, so I'm sorry for your loss.

00:20:36.000 So anyway, I am a history major here at ASU, and because a lot of people aren't interested in dwelling on the past, but because I'm a history major, I am.

00:20:45.000 So, Jack Pasobich, I've read that you before have defended Henri Alissimo Francisco Franco, who was the Caudillo of Spain from 1936 to 1975.

00:20:59.000 So you believe he was a crusader who saved Spain from communism, is that correct?

00:21:03.000 He certainly did.

00:21:04.000 So then do you think, that leads me to three questions then, do you think it was necessary for him to space in order to save Spain from communism to have the Nazi Luftwaffe level the city of Guernica to the ground and kill thousands of civilians just to take the city from Basque, Catholic Basque nationalists who only wanted autonomy for their nation?

00:21:26.000 Do you think it was necessary to save Spain from communism in order for them to execute or imprison indigenous Basques, Catalans, and Galicians who were simply speaking their native languages or practicing their cultures?

00:21:42.000 I mean, do you think it was necessary for him in order to save Spain from communism to abolish the democratic republic and make himself dictator for life and keep Spain until his death under this stifling dictatorship where there was what little progress did happen, only benefited the elite and very strict traditional society?

00:22:02.000 Because I don't understand.

00:22:03.000 It's more than just little progress.

00:22:04.000 It was known as the Spanish miracle.

00:22:07.000 Well, the economic economic progress was tremendous.

00:22:10.000 But it benefited mainly the elite, but I don't understand how you can celebrate free speech while supporting this dictator who banned entire languages.

00:22:19.000 And in one instance, and I will show anyone, I'll email anyone if you want to know where I read this, that one of his police officers once executed a taxi driver simply because he gave him directions in Catalan.

00:22:32.000 So if this is the model, if Franco-Spain is the new rights model, then I don't want anything to do with that.

00:22:38.000 Well, have I said that's the model for America?

00:22:40.000 Well, no, but some people have, although your position is that...

00:22:45.000 You asked about what I've said.

00:22:47.000 Right.

00:22:47.000 I apologize.

00:22:48.000 I don't want to strawman you.

00:22:49.000 But your position is that he saved Spain from communism, but it was necessary for him to do all those horrible Spain from communism.

00:22:58.000 There was a civil war, Spanish Civil War, and I noticed you mentioning certain things that happened on one side of that war, but you haven't mentioned anything about what the communists were doing in the first place that led to the Civil War kicking off.

00:23:11.000 Well, while there were communists and anarchists on the Republican side, it was mostly, if you look at the results of the 1936 congressional election, it was mostly liberals and socialists and moderate socialists who wanted a democratic republic.

00:23:27.000 And I just don't, you know, you can, and even if, even though people on the Republican side did do horrible things, I don't see how that justifies all of the horrible things Franco did in trying to eliminate these states like the Bass Country.

00:23:39.000 Things like things like smashing churches, things like murdering priests, things like raping nuns on the altars, and then taking their dead bodies and parading them in the town squares.

00:23:50.000 I have photos if you'd like to see.

00:23:52.000 And all of these absolute atrocities which were going on throughout Spain.

00:23:56.000 Well, I think you didn't seem to mention.

00:23:58.000 Well, I agree that all that is wrong, but I don't understand how any of that can justify leveling Guernica or all the other things that I mentioned.

00:24:06.000 Again, it was a civil war.

00:24:08.000 Well, but the banning of all those cultures, that happened after the Civil War.

00:24:12.000 Again, it was a civil war.

00:24:13.000 There was a situation that he led.

00:24:16.000 And again, I've never once said that America should be like Franco-Spain.

00:24:20.000 People have tried to put words in my mouth and say that I've said that, never said that.

00:24:24.000 Okay, well, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to straw manual.

00:24:27.000 No, no, I'm not necessarily saying that you said that, but there are people who have tried to say that.

00:24:30.000 I've just never said it.

00:24:32.000 Okay.

00:24:33.000 So, but even after the Civil War, it was still illegal for people from those groups to speak their languages and practice their cultures.

00:24:40.000 I mean, why, in the name of national unity, why was that?

00:24:43.000 I mean, do you think that was okay?

00:24:46.000 Well, Spain has a totally different history than the United States.

00:24:49.000 So their history in terms of maintaining their culture, their heritage, maintaining their territorial integrity, it's totally different from our culture.

00:24:58.000 So they have a culture, for example, that had to deal with the occupation of the Muslims, the occupation of the Moors, and who they fought against for almost 1,700 years, to be able to expel and then maintain their territorial and cultural identity.

00:25:14.000 And so in that context, I'm sure that's what they were operating under.

00:25:17.000 But the United States of America has a totally different system than Spain.

00:25:23.000 We are not Spain.

00:25:24.000 We don't, hopefully, are not going to be speaking Spanish as our national language anytime soon.

00:25:28.000 But of course, you see the way things are going, that might happen, or at least as a quasi-secondary language.

00:25:34.000 And so I wouldn't necessarily say that the things done within the Spanish context are things that we should do here in the American context, just because they're two totally different situations.

00:25:45.000 Okay.

00:25:45.000 Thank you very much.

00:25:46.000 Thank you.

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00:26:50.000 We got a question on Israel, Jewish students.

00:26:52.000 We got a Franco question.

00:26:53.000 This is fun.

00:26:56.000 Hey guys, how are you doing?

00:26:57.000 Hi, how are you?

00:26:59.000 What's your name?

00:26:59.000 My name is Johnny Durkin.

00:27:01.000 Johnny?

00:27:02.000 Can we raise that?

00:27:03.000 Yeah, sorry.

00:27:03.000 We'll raise it for you.

00:27:04.000 We've got different heights going on.

00:27:06.000 You said John was your name?

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 Or Johnny?

00:27:08.000 Johnny.

00:27:09.000 So I'm a space systems engineer.

00:27:11.000 That's awesome.

00:27:14.000 You know, with the events of Charlie Kirk and sort of the organization of Turning Point and its sort of place in America, I mean, I think it's good that you guys are out here debating and putting on a platform for free speech.

00:27:30.000 Of course.

00:27:30.000 So I do have a question about the organization itself, though, which should be fair game, hopefully.

00:27:37.000 So, full disclosure: I don't think are either of us actual Turning Point employees.

00:27:41.000 I am an employee of the Charlie Kirk show, so I can't speak formally for Turning Point.

00:27:46.000 Obviously, I know many people there.

00:27:47.000 I have an extensive relationship, but I can't speak.

00:27:50.000 I'm for Turning Point.

00:27:52.000 We know things about Turning Points.

00:27:53.000 We know things.

00:27:55.000 I mean, I'm a Turning Point contributor, but Blake is saying, other of us are Turning Point officials, so if you're asking us about specific decisions, we may not have as much detail, but please, please fire away.

00:28:07.000 The general thing.

00:28:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:09.000 So, there's been videos of Turning Points Now, CEO Erica Kirk.

00:28:15.000 I've surfaced of her in CIA training videos.

00:28:20.000 You could look it up on your phone.

00:28:21.000 Joe Rogan talked about it.

00:28:22.000 It's been all over the place.

00:28:23.000 So, are you going to be skeptical?

00:28:25.000 Well, I'm not skeptical.

00:28:27.000 I'll let you finish the question.

00:28:29.000 You can look it up.

00:28:30.000 It's clear as day.

00:28:33.000 This is from before her meeting Charlie.

00:28:36.000 And after Charlie's unfortunate demise, something else was scrubbed off of Turning Point's internet, which was Paul Vallelli, who is a co-author of Mind War with the pedophile Satanist General Michael Aquino.

00:28:58.000 He was positioned as chair of the board, and that was since removed from Turning Point's website.

00:29:04.000 You can look at it.

00:29:04.000 As chair of Turning Point?

00:29:06.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 You could just Google Paul Vallelli Charlie Point.

00:29:10.000 I'd have to check that out.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, I haven't seen that.

00:29:13.000 I'd have to check that out.

00:29:14.000 I can't Google it right now.

00:29:16.000 It's on Turning Point.

00:29:16.000 I couldn't tell you the composition.

00:29:18.000 I can't tell you the composition of Turning Points Board.

00:29:22.000 What I can tell you is.

00:29:23.000 I was just saying it was removed after Charlie's unfortunate demise.

00:29:28.000 So you're saying he was on the site, or is there a video about it?

00:29:34.000 It was on the site, and then it was removed from the TPS.

00:29:37.000 So I was just wondering: do these connections warrant deeper investigation given the circumstances of Charlie's actual violent murder and death?

00:29:48.000 And then he was sort of speaking out against the current Iran war before.

00:29:54.000 He was against it theoretically, right?

00:29:58.000 And so.

00:30:00.000 So hold on.

00:30:00.000 Are you suggesting that if Erica Kirk was in Erica Franzve was in a CIA-related video, that's evidence that she was involved in a plot to have Charlie murdered?

00:30:11.000 I didn't say that.

00:30:13.000 I just said that.

00:30:15.000 Why did you mention it?

00:30:16.000 Well, let me get there.

00:30:18.000 Let me finish.

00:30:19.000 Let him go, let him go.

00:30:20.000 It's fine.

00:30:21.000 So, I mean, to my understanding of narrative control, you know, the pedophile ring scandal of the Epstein files, you know, you're just talking about what the communists were doing, you know, raping people on church stages and stuff like that, where there's a mind war pedophile Satanist general, Michael Aquino, who is, you know, writing, you know, significant psychological operations books that are influencing us today here and now.

00:30:51.000 So the question is, if he was vocally opposed to this war, and before the easy label of conspiracy gets thrown out, like, just Google the things right now, because I'm not going to entertain being called a conspiracy theorist.

00:31:08.000 This is like clear as day.

00:31:12.000 Yeah, so like my question is, is it smart to put these people front and center for turning point right after you know a violent assassination?

00:31:21.000 Now saying that you know CIA is pro war, right?

00:31:27.000 This is a group that has a following of young Republicans and conservatives being on campus doing debates.

00:31:35.000 So there's obviously a vested interest in large groups and accounts and narrative control at the CIA.

00:31:42.000 So if Erica Kirk is actually someone who was working for the CIA, there's no former CIA people.

00:31:49.000 Everybody's still working for the agency.

00:31:51.000 The question is, you know, should they be front and center at turning point, in your opinion?

00:31:57.000 Well, I'll start with this, by the way.

00:31:59.000 So Blake, this is your first event.

00:32:02.000 And just permit me, if you will, I think this helped answer your question.

00:32:05.000 Maybe help answer your question or at least give some insight.

00:32:08.000 Blake, this is your first, you know, pick up the mic anytime.

00:32:12.000 You stood next to Charlie a number of times, but never done it before.

00:32:16.000 Has anyone prior to you coming up here told you anything about what you have to say and what you can't say?

00:32:22.000 Nope.

00:32:23.000 Not even just a turning point.

00:32:24.000 Anyone in general?

00:32:25.000 Nope.

00:32:26.000 Same way for me.

00:32:27.000 No, there hasn't been, and I did see Erica, you know, earlier today, and she just said, good luck, you know, basically.

00:32:33.000 So, I mean, there isn't really a setup.

00:32:37.000 We talk about narrative formation that nobody really, so if I was doing narrative formation, and I am a prior intelligence officer, that, you know, I would make sure, I would make sure that I would say to my subjects, hey, you know, make sure you plug this thing, this thing, this thing, make sure you say this about Iran, make sure you say this about the war, make sure you say this about the president, et cetera.

00:32:55.000 If I were running that kind of operation, it's just, we just never done that.

00:32:59.000 They said, here's the event, here you go, here's the room, here's the mics, have at it.

00:33:03.000 And that was pretty much it.

00:33:04.000 So if you're running a SIOP like that, you want to make sure that you're hitting those repetition points over and over and over.

00:33:09.000 Yet, that's just not something that was done.

00:33:12.000 Look, I know there's different pieces of media that Erica did when she was working as, she was in media and she was doing different contract work for people.

00:33:22.000 People do different, you know, people take different contracts when you're in that world.

00:33:26.000 And I think that she did obviously different things.

00:33:30.000 I know a lot of people that have tried to be actresses and stars and different things.

00:33:35.000 And they take different contracts.

00:33:37.000 It's kind of, you know, what you get.

00:33:38.000 I want to get to the crux of it, which is, but that's not, and yeah, to get to the crux of it, that, just because you do a contract job for somebody at one point, you should look up IMDB on anybody.

00:33:49.000 But even further, I am actually in a Jackie Chan even under the DB.

00:33:52.000 You asked why, if it was wise to put Erica front and center at the organization.

00:33:58.000 The reason Erica is front and center at turning point is because when Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, Charlie, we're worried something will happen to you.

00:34:06.000 People always speculated that something could happen to Charlie.

00:34:08.000 And when he was asked, first of all, he was totally fearless.

00:34:12.000 He would just say, like, oh, it'll be fine.

00:34:14.000 Erica will take over for me.

00:34:15.000 That is what he said over and over.

00:34:17.000 I saw them interact all the time, almost on a daily basis, even when he was traveling.

00:34:22.000 He was calling her all the time.

00:34:23.000 He was talking to her all the time.

00:34:26.000 Charlie and Erica were partners.

00:34:28.000 They were husband and wife in a deep way.

00:34:30.000 Their marriage was incredibly admirable.

00:34:33.000 I've seen a lot of marriages. 0.83

00:34:34.000 Some of them are good.

00:34:35.000 Some of them are bad.

00:34:36.000 Charlie and Erica's was exceptional.

00:34:38.000 They were on the same wavelength.

00:34:40.000 I saw how much that relationship, I didn't know Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in the wake of it, I saw how much everything he'd done meant to her and how completely committed she was to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life, that she knew the life I thought I was going to live has changed very abruptly, but I am fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know it's what I have to do for my husband and for his legacy.

00:35:07.000 That is the reason she was put front and center.

00:35:10.000 And she hasn't really.

00:35:11.000 She's become the CEO of the organization because that is what Charlie wanted, and it's because I saw it with all the people who were senior at Turning Point.

00:35:19.000 There wasn't even a question that that is what would happen.

00:35:21.000 There was no one forcing this.

00:35:23.000 There was no one pressuring it to happen.

00:35:25.000 This is what everyone at Turning Point wanted to happen.

00:35:28.000 But the mind war Paul Valelli connection to U.S. Army psychological operations is more to the point with the CIA and Erica Kirk being hired by the CIA before meeting Charlie in a media, you know, a media outfit of his own founding, right?

00:35:50.000 Where, you know, it's a war of the words out there, so to speak.

00:35:55.000 Are there words that you believe she's used that are completely different from what Charlie would advocate?

00:36:00.000 I have never seen such a thing.

00:36:03.000 I've never heard Erica advocate for like war or anything.

00:36:06.000 Not at all.

00:36:08.000 For example, we've continued the Charlie Kirk show, and we've talked about the war, and I don't think we've taken a pro-war attitude on our program.

00:36:15.000 And I don't think we've ever faced any pressure on that front, whether from Erica, from Turning Point, or from the government.

00:36:22.000 And I think, in truth, it's been very upset.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, like it's been very, I'll be frank, it's been very upsetting for me to run into insinuations and allegations like this because, Jack, if you and I want to have to borrow this to get into it, like I didn't make any allegations against you.

00:36:40.000 Well, I'm not saying you did, but a lot of people have used the things you mentioned to do it.

00:36:46.000 And I've seen people incredibly close to Charlie that he cared about and who I knew cared a lot about Charlie face a lot of bizarre harassment in these months since then.

00:36:56.000 In a period where they're trying to build on what Charlie did, they've been trying to grieve themselves.

00:37:01.000 And they've had to deal with people nitpicking how they behaved after someone was shot to death right in front of them.

00:37:07.000 They've been nitpicking what these, yes, publicly, while they were there, in front of them.

00:37:13.000 I was there.

00:37:14.000 I was 10 feet away from it when it happened.

00:37:16.000 And I've been blessed in that I haven't been harassed nearly as many as some of the people I've known.

00:37:22.000 But I find it detestable what some people have done because, Jack, you and I can attest, because we've looked at it as closely as anyone, that we are very confident that they have the right person in this case.

00:37:36.000 Are we not?

00:37:39.000 My mic has been mismatched.

00:37:40.000 No, I totally agree that when you follow the evidence, that the evidence points to Tyler Robinson.

00:37:47.000 It just points to him.

00:37:48.000 The one thing that I can't get by, not even to get into all the, which I could go through the forensic evidence, but the, and the, you know, obviously the physical evidence.

00:37:58.000 But the fact of the matter, as a father, right, the fact that it was his own parents, his own mom and dad, that turned in Tyler Robinson, and you didn't ask about Tyler, but I'm going to talk about it anyway.

00:38:12.000 That as a dad, you know, to pick up the phone in a situation like that and to call someone in law enforcement that, you know, had been a friend of yours and say, hey, I think that's my son that did that horrible thing.

00:38:30.000 In a situation where you've got the president of the United States calling for the death penalty, you obviously see the situation.

00:38:36.000 You know how bad it's going to be.

00:38:39.000 And in the face of all that, you still pick up the phone and turn in your own son.

00:38:49.000 It's one of the most admirable things I've seen anyone do.

00:38:52.000 It's incredible.

00:38:53.000 It gives me so much hope for America and so much hope for our society and the system, as we talked about.

00:38:59.000 That's why I'm not a black pillar. 0.95

00:39:01.000 And I'll just say it from my own perspective: as a dad, I don't know if I could do that for my own son.

00:39:07.000 I don't know if I could do that, to turn in my own son.

00:39:10.000 But that man did.

00:39:11.000 And because he did that, and it wasn't the FBI that caught Tyler Robinson, and it wasn't the local police, and nothing against them.

00:39:18.000 It's just this is how it happened.

00:39:19.000 They put out a photo.

00:39:20.000 They put out parents.

00:39:22.000 His mom saw it.

00:39:23.000 His dad made the phone call.

00:39:25.000 And I just, I've never talked to them directly, but if I did, I would just say, praying for you guys, praying for you as much as I hope anyone else is, because I can't even imagine what you're going through.

00:39:37.000 Thank you for your question.

00:39:40.000 Thank you very much.

00:39:41.000 Thank you.

00:39:46.000 It was a good question.

00:39:47.000 It was a great question.

00:39:49.000 Let's keep them going. 0.70

00:39:49.000 No, I'm glad we could talk about it. 0.70

00:39:50.000 No, it's, you know, we're chopping it up.

00:39:52.000 That's what it's all about.

00:39:54.000 Considering that you guys are a conservative organization, we've been called that.

00:39:59.000 Assume that you guys are supportive of the current administration.

00:40:02.000 Would that be correct?

00:40:03.000 Generally, yes.

00:40:04.000 Well, technically, Turning Point cannot endorse a candidate.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, noise enough.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, right.

00:40:10.000 We are a conservative organization.

00:40:12.000 We are in alignment with a very large share of the president's.

00:40:16.000 Legally, we have to say, since we're at the student event, that we're not endorsing.

00:40:22.000 But yeah.

00:40:22.000 Yeah, of course.

00:40:23.000 Okay.

00:40:24.000 Well, do you guys probably support the cabinet picks?

00:40:29.000 I do, yeah, do you?

00:40:30.000 I support them to the extent they've delivered on what they promised, which is, you know, whether the DH Secretary is Christy Noam or Mark Wayne Mullen now, as long as they are keeping the border secured, which they did, as long as they are deporting illegal migrants, if they're clamping down on all the other ways people have illegally come in this country and kept it secure, I like it.

00:40:51.000 Pete Hegseth, unconventional Secretary of War PIC, to say the least, but if he is putting merit first in the military instead of gender equity and all the other types of equity that they've prioritized in the military under the Biden years, then he has my support.

00:41:08.000 When the FBI is putting investigating actual terrorists first, actual criminals, actual evildoers, instead of sending agents into Latin masses to see if they're doing anything untoward when they say a potter noster, I'm in support of that. 0.92

00:41:23.000 And I think Marko Ruby has been an excellent Secretary of State.

00:41:27.000 I know several people in the administration, and I've been very impressed with what they've been able to do.

00:41:32.000 And so I feel like there's more to your question.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, so last pause-specific people here where obviously you have Kash Patel and Pam Bondi that were tasked with UNRID Acting and releasing the Epstein files.

00:41:44.000 We have zero perpetrators that have been arrested.

00:41:46.000 Would you feel like that's a cover-up when one of the files names that they had seven perpetrators that they knew assisted?

00:41:54.000 I think, I mean, look, this is something I've said publicly a number of times that I think that the way that that was handled was, I think it was mishandled.

00:42:01.000 It was obviously mishandled.

00:42:03.000 And the whole thing they did with, you know, handing me this binder and saying, oh, here's the Epstein files.

00:42:10.000 And it was all just stuff that had already been public.

00:42:13.000 And then, you know, we don't find out until we get a chance to go through it later on that if they had just come out initially and said, these are the files, we can get everything out, we can put it all out right now, then I think they would be in a much better position than they have been now.

00:42:31.000 And in fact, I'm going to be interviewing the working on it.

00:42:35.000 I'm not going to say it just yet, but working on interviewing a senior official at DOJ specifically about this, hopefully, fingers crossed later this week.

00:42:43.000 And I'm going to ask him those same questions because it's something where, look, when I talk to, when we go together, I was just at Liberty University.

00:42:49.000 Now here we are.

00:42:50.000 It's when I talk to young voters or young students, one of the number one questions I get isn't Iran, it's not foreign wars, it's Jeffrey Epstein, where are the arrests?

00:42:59.000 All day long.

00:43:00.000 And that's something that we called for at the last turning point event that we ended up holding with Charlie, which was the Student Action Summit down in Tampa, right?

00:43:08.000 And I remember you probably remember behind the scenes, too, just that was all blowing up.

00:43:12.000 And Charlie, he was a very, one of his best traits is he was stopped talking to the grassroots, and he would take an honest read of the grassroots all the way to the White House to the president.

00:43:23.000 And yeah, some of them got very angry because he was saying people are very upset about this.

00:43:28.000 And they got mad at him.

00:43:30.000 He says, too bad they're still really upset at you guys.

00:43:33.000 We've, at this point, right, having gone through everything that we went through to get the files, at least we do have the files now.

00:43:40.000 Personally, like I said, I wish they had come out day one, week one, put it all out, or if you have to go through it and put it out week two, whatever it is.

00:43:47.000 It should have been, should have been sooner.

00:43:49.000 Obviously, you can't change the past on that.

00:43:51.000 But I would love to see arrests.

00:43:53.000 I would absolutely love to see arrests in the UK, right?

00:43:56.000 They got arrested for the, well, it was Prince Andrew.

00:43:59.000 I guess they took his title away.

00:44:00.000 He was arrested.

00:44:02.000 They had to drop their Lord Mandelson had to get dropped out of their cabinet.

00:44:11.000 I don't know if he's been arrested, but it was a part of this insider trading thing.

00:44:14.000 And there's been a number of instances where we've seen again and again and again that it seemed like Jeffrey Epstein had this influence over his rich friends slash clients, some might say, that certainly, to my mind, requires criminal scrutiny.

00:44:32.000 So it seems like we're broadly in agreement, we want them prosecuted, but we do disagree a bit on what's sufficient disclosure.

00:44:38.000 I would say, I would first of all point out that we have more Epstein transparency now by about two orders of magnitude maybe than we have.

00:44:48.000 We're not saying sufficient disclosure.

00:44:48.000 And so we only have to do that.

00:44:50.000 And even then, there's been no accountability.

00:44:52.000 Like, think about the fact that Bill Gates, one of the 10 richest people in the world, is profoundly humiliated right now.

00:44:58.000 He's basically socially ruined by everything that's come out.

00:45:01.000 The richest man in the world, Elon Musk, he got embarrassed by what came out of the files because of the exchanges he was having with Epstein's team.

00:45:08.000 I believe the general counsel of Goldman Sachs, I think, got forced out of his job.

00:45:12.000 That's a pretty elite position.

00:45:14.000 What I would say, and what the president warned about, what the president warned about when this was all ramping up last summer is if you just release everything in a blanket way, there are going to be people who are going to be assumed guilty of crimes who aren't guilty of anything.

00:45:28.000 And I think that's been borne out because there is an element where people have just demanded anyone whose name has appeared in this should be arrested.

00:45:36.000 I firmly believe, yeah, if you can name a specific person who abused a specific other person or engaged in truly illegal behavior that's been alleged, they should be prosecuted.

00:45:46.000 They should be arrested.

00:45:48.000 But I would always encourage people to look closely at what is actually proven in anything that's happened.

00:45:54.000 Because I don't follow this as aggressively as some people, but I've seen it happen over and over where, oh, a photo comes out, and just because one of the faces is blurred out, they'll say, oh, this is this person with their victim, with no evidence that this person was a minor, was trafficked, that there was any sexual relationship of any kind.

00:46:12.000 And you can't run a country that way.

00:46:15.000 You can't run a country through insinuations, through guilt by association.

00:46:20.000 You have to actually prove things.

00:46:21.000 And I think as much as it's embarrassing to the world's elites that they were all just friends with this guy who we can all agree is very gross, we do have to be careful before we jump from that to mass arrests for everybody.

00:46:34.000 That sounds cathartic.

00:46:36.000 Now I'm going to start disagreeing.

00:46:38.000 I do want mass arrests.

00:46:42.000 When Bill Clinton started looking at some of those pictures, you guys saw this, right?

00:46:45.000 When he was looking at those pictures, you could see old Bill had that wistful look in his eye where he's like, he's like, oh, yeah, that was her.

00:46:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:55.000 I remember that.

00:46:55.000 I'm old-fashioned.

00:46:56.000 I think Bill Gates should just go to jail for perjury back in Bill Clinton.

00:46:59.000 Bill Clinton.

00:47:00.000 Yeah.

00:47:00.000 And Bill Gates too.

00:47:02.000 Bill Gates should go to jail for Windows Vista.

00:47:04.000 He should definitely go to jail for Windows Vista.

00:47:06.000 Can we all agree on that at least?

00:47:07.000 Yeah.

00:47:08.000 No, no, it's something where, look, at the end of the day, I think we need to understand that we talk about these questions of policy in our country.

00:47:18.000 I'll take it to a higher level, I guess.

00:47:20.000 We talk about these questions of war, like the gentleman was just asking, of war, of diplomacy, of negotiations.

00:47:28.000 And then we find out that something like Epstein was going on.

00:47:31.000 And we tell people that, oh, well, just trust us.

00:47:34.000 We've cleaned it all up.

00:47:35.000 And I think there's serious questions that arise then that how can we trust what any decision maker is making if they were a part of these activities?

00:47:45.000 And I'm talking about the nefarious and criminal activity side, that they weren't trying to conduct some action or conduct some foreign policy maneuver because they were worried about their involvement in Epstein's operations coming out.

00:48:01.000 And I think these are serious questions when you have people like the ones that we've seen, the ones that we've talked about, the elites that were involved in there.

00:48:08.000 What question does this leverage or what influence does this leverage, blackmail, if you want to call it that, have in our society?

00:48:16.000 When, look, Jeffrey Epstein had all this leverage over Bill Gates, and then suddenly Bill Gates has kind of handed the reins to our society during COVID.

00:48:24.000 Did that play an influence?

00:48:26.000 I don't know, but it's certainly something that as a citizen of a free republic, we should all be asking.

00:48:32.000 Well, I completely agree with the fact that I do believe Clinton is, well, both Clintons are likely part of that whole ring.

00:48:41.000 I also would agree Bill Gates, but someone you didn't mention that I think is implicated as much or more would be president Donald Trump with multiple credible allegations according to FBI documents where they claimed they seemed to be credible and across many interviews seemed to have the same story, tended to not have any holes in it.

00:49:01.000 So what do you feel about that?

00:49:02.000 As you're mentioning the blackmail, where it's reasonable to assume that Israel has it. 0.90

00:49:08.000 You know, Epstein had ties to Israel and Mossad.

00:49:11.000 Possibly there.

00:49:12.000 Israel could have those.

00:49:13.000 They could have leverage over us.

00:49:14.000 Russia claims to have had access to the files and have blackmailed on Trump.

00:49:18.000 So do you feel like those people could be blackmailing our president, in which case putting us in danger?

00:49:23.000 Well, I mean, you look at those cases.

00:49:25.000 In a number of those cases, Blake, you might remember the exact one better than me, but they were looked into.

00:49:29.000 A lot of those were actually found to have a lot of holes in them.

00:49:33.000 A lot of them didn't actually hold up under scrutiny.

00:49:36.000 People were even making phone calls into the FBI saying, oh, Donald Trump did this to me years ago after Epstein had already become public.

00:49:45.000 So just because somebody calls in and makes a complaint to the FBI, that still doesn't mean it's credible.

00:49:50.000 And as a guy who worked in the intelligence community, I'll just real quick, we would get reports all the time that somebody walks in and says, oh, something happened.

00:49:59.000 You still have to check it out.

00:50:00.000 You still have to actually go in.

00:50:01.000 And this is one of the issues when you're looking at raw information like this is that it's not, it hasn't been assessed.

00:50:07.000 Its credibility hasn't actually been weighed and measured.

00:50:10.000 That's something I am going to be asking if I get the opportunity to a senior DOJ official to ask about those sorts of things.

00:50:16.000 But in every instance with Donald Trump, it has always fallen apart.

00:50:21.000 And we've seen a pattern of this for years with Donald Trump, that there's an allegation against him and people look into it and it just doesn't hold scrutiny.

00:50:29.000 I fall back to the same default that Charlie often did, which is just to point out that throughout, as you said, we had four years of Biden.

00:50:38.000 They basically rewrote New York state law specifically so that he could be sued by, what's her name?

00:50:46.000 Letitia James.

00:50:47.000 Yeah, so Letitia James could go after him, go after his organization. 0.51

00:50:51.000 They completely warped their laws.

00:50:53.000 They could go after him for his financial filings from his company.

00:50:56.000 They said he was covering up a felony for the Alvin Bragg.

00:51:01.000 Alvin Bragg.

00:51:02.000 So Alvin Bragg was interpreting statutes in Nobel to go after him.

00:51:05.000 They're basically rewriting the law to go after him at the federal level with the special prosecutor.

00:51:10.000 They're basically rewriting the law to go after him in Florida.

00:51:12.000 They're coming up with endless novel legal approaches to go after Donald Trump once he's out of office.

00:51:19.000 And they're doing this for a simple reason that they are fanatically obsessed with putting Donald Trump in prison because they hate him.

00:51:25.000 Actually, they did.

00:51:26.000 And they did this.

00:51:27.000 They did multiple special counsels.

00:51:28.000 And they did the special counsel with Robert Mueller.

00:51:30.000 You mentioned the other day.

00:51:31.000 We have that they're going to keep doing it.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 And we have basically a decade of non-stop effort to find something to put Donald Trump in prison.

00:51:40.000 And then you're telling me that we actually had secret evidence from the Epstein files, which were already well known and famous at this time, for four years of President Biden, and they never bothered to indict him on that.

00:51:53.000 I just find that pretty unlikely.

00:51:54.000 I would assume that they didn't release them and indict him on that because they're part of it too.

00:51:58.000 So I think all of them are part of it.

00:52:00.000 If they release about one person, now they implicate everyone else, and now it's.

00:52:04.000 I would encourage you to look at, for example, there's a bunch of roads and parks that are going to be renamed in Phoenix in the next few days because they were named after Cesar Chavez.

00:52:13.000 The left doesn't have a problem throwing out their own people to get someone that they sufficiently hate.

00:52:22.000 You guys might not remember, but about a decade ago, Al Franken, he was a senator, they threw him out as part of Me Too.

00:52:28.000 They are totally willing to dump their own lawmakers, their own fundraisers, their own people.

00:52:33.000 Harvey Weinstein, a big Democrat fundraiser, they threw him out.

00:52:36.000 They don't have a problem taking out their own people, and they still never took out Donald Trump with Epstein.

00:52:42.000 I think that's the best evidence that there really is not a lot there, personally.

00:52:48.000 But I want us to make sure we get to some more questions.

00:52:51.000 So thank you very much.

00:52:53.000 Thank you very much.

00:52:54.000 Seriously.

00:52:56.000 That's Ethan Blake.

00:52:58.000 That actually is, to me, I think that is still one of the strongest arguments that why not just release it yourselves when you could have.

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00:54:02.000 Sir, what's going on?

00:54:04.000 I wanted some clarification as we talked about First Amendment and free speech, and that's equal to the American.

00:54:10.000 We don't need a clarifying amendment.

00:54:12.000 It's a great amendment.

00:54:12.000 It's a cornerstone of our American democracy.

00:54:14.000 I agree.

00:54:15.000 Indeed.

00:54:15.000 But I wanted to clarify: are you guys free speech absolutionists?

00:54:20.000 This guy over here, I pretty much am.

00:54:23.000 I mean, unless you're going to, are you going to ask me something weird?

00:54:25.000 I would say, I would say I'm, Blake and I have gotten into this before.

00:54:29.000 I don't know where you're going, but Blake and I have gotten into this before, and we have discovered that he is much more of an absolutist than I am on it.

00:54:35.000 Okay.

00:54:35.000 Well, how do you feel about the President of the United States tweeting out that he's celebrating the death of a U.S. citizen, Robert Mueller, just the other day?

00:54:44.000 I don't care for it.

00:54:45.000 It is free speech.

00:54:46.000 I don't care for it.

00:54:47.000 I think what I will say is when we had Charlie's memorial right here, one of the best moments of it was it took a lot of bravery.

00:54:57.000 Erica went up there and she sat on stage in front of 70,000 people in that building and who knows how many millions watching around the world.

00:55:06.000 And she says, that man who killed my husband, I forgive him.

00:55:10.000 And then a few minutes later, Donald Trump went up there and he said, yeah, you know, I don't forgive my enemies.

00:55:16.000 I hate them.

00:55:17.000 I hate my enemies. 0.99

00:55:18.000 I'm happy when bad things happen to them.

00:55:21.000 We kind of know what we're going to do.

00:55:23.000 He then added, but maybe Erica could change my mind. 0.86

00:55:26.000 Maybe.

00:55:27.000 Yes, he did.

00:55:28.000 I think it is, I would say Donald Trump, anyone would admit, even his supporters will admit he has traits they like and traits they care for less.

00:55:38.000 And the president's tendency to dump on people, you know, after they've deceased is not one I personally care for.

00:55:48.000 So you would be fine with people saying, oh, I'm glad that Hitler is dead. 0.91

00:55:53.000 I'm glad that we are currently bombing Iran and killing the Ayatollah. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Or when Charlie Kirk died, people were celebrating. 0.90

00:56:01.000 I mean, people absolutely had the legal right to celebrate it.

00:56:04.000 I found it incredibly loathsome, not just because he was a good man and a father, but also especially the heinous way in which he was killed.

00:56:12.000 To celebrate it when someone is murdered, not just murdered, but murdered while at a table like this one, holding a free speech event specifically because of his speech.

00:56:23.000 I think it was exceptionally evil that people would do that, but I do think they have the legal right to do it.

00:56:31.000 I don't think you should go to prison for doing it.

00:56:33.000 You mean for the speech?

00:56:34.000 For the speech, yes.

00:56:36.000 Okay.

00:56:38.000 Thank you.

00:56:39.000 Thank you.

00:56:41.000 I feel like my chair is drinking.

00:56:43.000 I like it when I know people have opinions that I dislike.

00:56:49.000 But that's different than First Amendment.

00:56:50.000 First Amendment is a different question.

00:56:53.000 Howdy, what's your name?

00:56:54.000 George.

00:56:54.000 Howdy, George.

00:56:56.000 How are y'all doing today?

00:56:57.000 Doing very well.

00:56:58.000 Doing lovely.

00:56:59.000 Awesome.

00:56:59.000 I'm from Fresno, California, if any of you guys know where that is.

00:57:04.000 The Valley.

00:57:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:08.000 Obviously, California has a stereotype of being a very blue state, which it is.

00:57:14.000 And in California, of course, there is a lot of illegals just in general.

00:57:19.000 Now, a lot of that is due to the agriculture that is there.

00:57:23.000 So I do assume that you guys are for deportation of all illegals, correct?

00:57:28.000 Okay, so my question is, if this amount of illegals that do do this labor, the farm work, everything, because I'm not doing it.

00:57:37.000 If someone has a high school diploma, you're not doing it.

00:57:41.000 What is your solution for that then, if you were to get rid of them all?

00:57:44.000 Broadly speaking, automation.

00:57:46.000 Bring in robotics, bring in, you know, get Elon Musk on that, or whoever the next robotics guy is.

00:57:52.000 I mean, you look at some of the auto pickers and auto, you know, autonomous robotics that we have now.

00:57:59.000 I mean, my gosh, if we have AI drones that can find people on the other side of the planet, I'm pretty sure we can find something that can find an apple or an orange.

00:58:08.000 So we've let ourselves get addicted to low-cost foreign labor.

00:58:12.000 And like other addictions, there is a short-term high you get from it.

00:58:16.000 It saves you money, lets you make more money in the short term, but the damage is long-term financially, and it's just long-term on the country.

00:58:25.000 So yeah, a farmer might be able to run their business better, but that's still not worth it if it's degrading America's respect for the rule of law, if it's degrading our national cohesion because we don't all speak the same language, if we're offloading the trouble of maybe they'd be on welfare or they're expensive to educate or they use a lot of health care.

00:58:46.000 All of those things are getting offloaded onto the public system, but we're letting all of this happen because we've gotten addicted to lower cost labor.

00:58:54.000 Economically, I think we have to treat it as an addiction, and sometimes you basically have to go cold turkey.

00:59:00.000 And I'd be the first to admit there will be economic difficulties that come from this, but the difficulties would be less if we had taken action longer ago in the past, and the difficulties will be even greater if we wait too long to do something about it now.

00:59:15.000 Yeah, I was just going to add economically, you have a similar dynamic to the invention of the cotton gin in pre-Civil War, that in pre-Civil War South, that the cotton gin had already been invented, and yet you didn't see the widespread adoption of it because of the system of slavery.

00:59:33.000 And even though the cotton gin ended up becoming far more efficient and obviously cheaper to run than having wide fields of workers doing this for you, that because that was the system in place, obviously, there was a war over it, et cetera.

00:59:49.000 We know the history.

00:59:51.000 But in fact, there was a system similar to automation technology that had come out that could have actually filled that gap, but for people wanting to do it.

00:59:59.000 A visual I think of a lot is that in China, you can now find guys who they are working in an office building and they have a robot-driven tractor and they're doing it all in this, you know, their air-conditioned offices.

01:00:13.000 Steve Bennon's calling.

01:00:16.000 And meanwhile, in the U.S., you can find, there are some farms where their tractors don't even have a cabin on the top.

01:00:23.000 You're up there in the sun all day, having it beat down on you.

01:00:27.000 You don't even have a roof over your head.

01:00:29.000 And when I see that image, all I can think is those have to just be illegal immigrant or otherwise low-paid migrant farm workers where it's just, there's no value add to making their lives any better. 0.95

01:00:40.000 And by the way, you're correct.

01:00:41.000 This would be automation as the solution.

01:00:43.000 This would be something where I would be totally okay.

01:00:45.000 I know I'm supposed to be like Mr. Conservative or whatever, but I'd be totally okay with the government coming in and providing subsidies to these farms to help them get over, because obviously there's going to be significant capital input during this period.

01:01:00.000 I'd be totally fine with, I mean, farmers get subsidies already, so it's not like it would be a huge change, but having an additional implement for them to encourage automation and so that they're not having to spend tons and tons of money to be able to do that.

01:01:14.000 But upgrade through automation.

01:01:16.000 I think it's going to happen either way.

01:01:18.000 And honestly, I think it's this massive migrant labor force that's here that's really the only thing stopping it. 1.00

01:01:25.000 Yeah, but also like, again, automation in like a perfect world, of course, everything that should be automated as possible.

01:01:32.000 People doing dangerous jobs, whatever.

01:01:34.000 But that cost comes back onto farmers.

01:01:36.000 Farmers who are already struggling to get ends of meat.

01:01:39.000 But that's what I'm saying.

01:01:39.000 And you're right.

01:01:41.000 There could be, I would support social programs for that.

01:01:44.000 Right now, we're subsidizing health care for these illegal immigrants. 1.00

01:01:48.000 We're subsidizing the education for these illegal immigrants. 0.99

01:01:51.000 A lot of them, their children are eligible for welfare, and so effectively they're on welfare.

01:01:56.000 Imagine if all the money that's going to that was instead put into a giant bundle and we took it to a Silicon Valley firm and said, figure out how this tractor can run itself.

01:02:05.000 And I don't know anything about the welfare side and all of that.

01:02:05.000 And we could.

01:02:10.000 I'm not going to pretend like I know anything.

01:02:12.000 All I know is that it's already a struggle for farmers in general.

01:02:16.000 People are already stopped wanting to be farmers in general.

01:02:19.000 Like Fresno State, ag capital of California.

01:02:23.000 So much ag goes through there.

01:02:24.000 There's less and less people who want to do that stuff because the profit margins are thin.

01:02:29.000 So if we just take away these illegal immigrants, there is no more labor for that. 1.00

01:02:35.000 And I'm not doing it.

01:02:36.000 You're not.

01:02:37.000 Anybody's not.

01:02:39.000 No, I completely agree with you that farmers absolutely do need to be supportive because if you have a country that can't feed itself, then guess what?

01:02:46.000 Let's, you know, we were just talking about war and things like that.

01:02:49.000 That actually is a national security issue, among other things.

01:02:52.000 Because if that system breaks down, guess what?

01:02:54.000 Now you can't feed your army.

01:02:55.000 Now you can't feed your defense forces.

01:02:57.000 This is a huge, huge problem.

01:02:59.000 So I agree with you.

01:03:00.000 And it's something where, you know, I think that the big factory farming is something that has also, in addition, become an issue with small farmers as well, because it's pushing them out in many cases.

01:03:14.000 And it leads to outcomes that our good friends in the Maham movement would tell us are very unhealthy as well for Americans.

01:03:21.000 So I feel like there's a lot of room for discussion on this issue.

01:03:26.000 And I would be totally open to helping out.

01:03:29.000 Awesome.

01:03:29.000 I really would.

01:03:30.000 One more question, small question, just because I know other people would like to speak.

01:03:35.000 Why do you guys think the way you think?

01:03:37.000 Like, were you brought up this way?

01:03:39.000 Did somebody tell you, like, hey, you should come to this club and hear what these people are thinking?

01:03:45.000 Like, what happened with me today?

01:03:46.000 My parents are wingers, and I've always been a winger.

01:03:49.000 No, it was weird.

01:03:50.000 Like, when I was born, my dad just put Rush Limbaugh in my crib.

01:03:54.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:03:57.000 No, honestly, couldn't tell you.

01:04:01.000 It just, you know, neither of my parents were particularly political.

01:04:04.000 They were both registered Democrats at one point.

01:04:07.000 And, you know, I could get into a longer story about it, but my town, our hometown, my family's hometown, got kind of overrun by crime as I was growing up.

01:04:19.000 And so I sort of lived through the loss of a close-knit community where the kids that I grew up with were the sons of the guys that my dad grew up with.

01:04:32.000 And I lived in the same house that my father grew up in and his father had been in.

01:04:36.000 And we'd lost all of that because of crime, because of Section 8.

01:04:40.000 And by the way, it was also turned into a sanctuary city for illegals.

01:04:44.000 And I don't know.

01:04:45.000 I think it was that process of losing all of that that really just played a huge role in sort of my self-formation, if you will.

01:04:55.000 Where are you from?

01:04:56.000 Narshaw, Pennsylvania.

01:04:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:04:57.000 Awesome.

01:04:58.000 To add a little bit, just because it might be relevant, so I guess a reason I wouldn't just rebel against my parents the way some people do.

01:05:06.000 I think it mattered a lot that my parents could explain what they believed to some extent.

01:05:11.000 I do remember my dad explaining to me that Democrats take money from the people who earn it and give it to the people who don't.

01:05:16.000 He made my sister recite that.

01:05:19.000 But he could explain it.

01:05:20.000 But then also that they really, you could see every day that this, you know, for example, we were religious and went to church.

01:05:26.000 I think a lot of people grow up in houses where, you know, maybe their parents will tell them you can't do that.

01:05:31.000 Or their parents will say they're Christian, but they've never seen their parents go to church, for example.

01:05:36.000 That it mattered to my parents that we go every week, that you live your life accordingly.

01:05:42.000 And I think seeing your parents be consistent about the values they hold and then be pillars of their community and all of that, which my parents are, that's what keeps, that's certainly what kept me from feeling any big temptation to just overthrow that or throw it out because I could see my parents were great people.

01:06:01.000 And so let that be a lesson to all of us.

01:06:05.000 I've met Blake's parents.

01:06:05.000 They're pretty cool.

01:06:06.000 Mine are cool too, though, but Blake's are cool.

01:06:08.000 Mine are cooler.

01:06:09.000 All right, you guys are doing an awesome thing.

01:06:11.000 Thank you very much.

01:06:13.000 Yeah, great questions.

01:06:13.000 Thank you.

01:06:18.000 Hello, I just wanted to say thanks for putting this together.

01:06:21.000 I don't agree with a lot of what you guys say, but I'm very pro-free speech.

01:06:24.000 I get that a lot.

01:06:25.000 I think it's very important.

01:06:27.000 I disagree with this guy constantly, so I'm right there with you all the time.

01:06:31.000 I wanted to hear about your guys' opinion on like, I guess, the broadening of America's involvement in regime change and whether or not you think that it's a good or a bad idea from Venezuela to Iran and the possible invasion of Carg Island and the current blockade of oil in Cuba.

01:06:54.000 Well, I'd love if I could just real quickly mention on the Venezuela question, because on this, if people don't know, Venezuela recently had President Trump, we all woke up one day and found that President Trump had arrested the leader of Venezuela, as you do, and that he had been extradited to the United States.

01:07:12.000 He's in New York.

01:07:13.000 He's now standing trial.

01:07:16.000 But I remember saying that day, and I think I tweeted this, I said, is it really regime change if you just get rid of one guy?

01:07:22.000 Because what's interesting in Venezuela is that the regime does still largely remain in place.

01:07:28.000 It is still intact.

01:07:30.000 It's just that one guy has left.

01:07:32.000 Dulcy Rodriguez is still kind of on top of that. 1.00

01:07:34.000 Stephen Miller was kind of pressed about this when he went on with Jay Taporo on CNN.

01:07:41.000 Because Tabor was saying, are you going to do elections?

01:07:44.000 Are you going to hold this?

01:07:45.000 Are you going to have that?

01:07:45.000 And Stephen said, no, no, we're not going to change any of that.

01:07:48.000 We are arresting one guy and we're going to leave it out.

01:07:51.000 And I thought that was an interesting in-between model.

01:07:55.000 Because I think what you're getting at is this question, are we going to have these regime change wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, like we saw in the past, which I think many people rightly view as disastrous, as wasteful, not just in terms of time and money, but also in terms of American lives and the lives of the locals, which arguably were not bettered in any regard to this.

01:08:18.000 I found it an interesting, too early to tell, I suppose, because it just happened in terms of Venezuela.

01:08:25.000 I'm not going to dodge the other questions.

01:08:27.000 I just wanted to say that I thought that was an interesting in-between.

01:08:30.000 Now, whether or not there will be other in-betweens, Cuba, you mentioned, although it does look like something very, you know, very soon will happen in Cuba.

01:08:39.000 And then Iran is kind of the bigger question.

01:08:41.000 Do you want to take the Iran start on that?

01:08:42.000 Well, I mean, Iran, I think you pointed out a good point, which is there's that split that President Trump has embraced, that there's a difference between regime change and nation building, because nation building is what got us.

01:08:57.000 Nation building is what got us in all these disastrous conflicts that were very long.

01:09:03.000 They had open-ended, non-existent victory conditions.

01:09:06.000 Oh, you know, we'll stay in Afghanistan until we win. 0.99

01:09:08.000 What does winning look like?

01:09:09.000 We don't know.

01:09:11.000 And because it required a lot of Americans there, we lost thousands of American lives.

01:09:16.000 And the president has charted out a different path where he says, I don't actually care about the nation building part of it.

01:09:24.000 I care about having friendlier governments that are more accommodating to us instead of these hostile ones that are sending drugs or constantly flaring up crises in their region.

01:09:35.000 Now, on the specific Iran thing, I think we warned, we've been very cautious about that one, that there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical of escalating our involvement in Iran.

01:09:49.000 Charlie warned about that a lot.

01:09:51.000 I share his concerns about that.

01:09:53.000 What I would say about the president and this particular decision he made is we've been around the block a few times with President Trump, specifically on Iran.

01:10:01.000 We had a war scare in 2019 when they, I think they shot down one of our robots.

01:10:06.000 And then in 2020, after Soleimani, and then last summer with the Midnight Hammer bombing, and every single time people thought, oh man, Donald Trump is escalating.

01:10:16.000 He's going to plunge us into a war.

01:10:18.000 And every single time he pulled back and nothing came of it.

01:10:22.000 And the fact that he chose differently this time, I think we should entertain the possibility that he had a very good reason for doing that.

01:10:31.000 And we'll know more when it's all said and done.

01:10:33.000 For now, the war did begin.

01:10:36.000 I support the U.S. winning wars once we're in them.

01:10:40.000 But there's, of course, room to debate it and question it.

01:10:43.000 And I think we'll have that fully hashed out in the weeks to come.

01:10:47.000 All right.

01:10:47.000 I just want to touch on Venezuela for a second.

01:10:50.000 I did also find it very interesting how we didn't really change any regime in Iran and we just kind of changed it from a Venezuela, yeah.

01:10:57.000 We just changed it from a Chinese dictatorship, a Chinese-backed dictatorship to like an American-backed one because we just brought in the VP, I think, Deli forgot her name.

01:11:08.000 Delsie Rodriguez, yeah, my bad.

01:11:12.000 No, you're great, man.

01:11:13.000 It's great.

01:11:14.000 And do you think, because I know people have been talking about it, the Department of War has been, the question's been raised about a troop invasion of Karg Island on the Strait of Hormuz.

01:11:28.000 Would that be a step too far in terms of American foreign policy?

01:11:33.000 Well, I mean, step too far is, you know, it depends on whether you mean in terms of political opinion, depends on whether or not you mean in terms of military operation.

01:11:43.000 In terms of military operation, could the United States do it?

01:11:46.000 Yes, the United States could do it.

01:11:47.000 Would it be easy to hold?

01:11:48.000 No, it would not be easy to hold because it's within conventional artillery range of Iran proper, so of the mainland.

01:11:56.000 So, I mean, they could, you wouldn't even need missiles.

01:12:00.000 I mean, obviously they have drones as well, but conventional artillery would be able to range whatever those forces are.

01:12:05.000 So it would be hard to hold.

01:12:06.000 Yes, it would be very hard to hold.

01:12:07.000 I've actually outlined, and I've said this a number of times, Fox News and other places that I've been, that you actually wouldn't necessarily, if your goal is to neutralize Karg Island and control Karg Island in terms of bottle up the oil flow out of there, then there are numerous ways to do that that don't involve boats on the ground.

01:12:26.000 Obviously, cyber warfare is something the United States has been perfecting, was used in Venezuela.

01:12:31.000 I mean, anything that's got a computer in it, you turn it off, and then immediately, guess what?

01:12:35.000 If those ships can't load and unload, guess you've just stopped the oil flow without a single boot on the ground. 0.76

01:12:39.000 Also, as a Navy guy, I have to say that also, if you take out the piers, then, again, the ships don't have the ability to load and unload, but the larger oil infrastructure is still intact and could be fixed at a later date.

01:12:55.000 So there are numerous options available.

01:12:57.000 And when it comes to this, I think we'll have to see whether or not the president is using this just to, he's obviously deploying troops.

01:13:04.000 There's no question about that.

01:13:05.000 We have two Marine expeditionary units, MEUs, about 2,500 each, that are headed over.

01:13:11.000 There's some indications that some other special forces units, 82nd Airborne and other, may have been called up.

01:13:17.000 We'll see.

01:13:18.000 We'll certainly see what the plan is.

01:13:19.000 To Blake's point, we've seen the president push and push and push to the brink and then get to a desired end state and pull back.

01:13:27.000 And part of me thinks that we're probably going to see something like that again.

01:13:32.000 And look, we saw the president this morning talking about partial ceasefire and talking about actual conversations that are going on, possibly indirectly with Iranian leadership.

01:13:43.000 And Iran says, well, there are no talks.

01:13:44.000 And it's like, well, no, because he's talking to the Egyptians and then the Egyptians are caught, you know, that kind of thing is going on.

01:13:50.000 And so I broadly would be very supportive of a deal in this, really.

01:13:55.000 All right, let's see if we can get at least two more, I think.

01:13:59.000 Are we on time?

01:13:59.000 How are we doing on time, guys?

01:14:03.000 Oh, we've got 30 minutes?

01:14:04.000 All right.

01:14:05.000 Well, yeah, we'll do them, but then we'll try to keep them shorter.

01:14:08.000 Thank you very much, by the way.

01:14:10.000 But we'll as many of them.

01:14:10.000 And we'll keep our answers short too.

01:14:15.000 Adi, what's your name?

01:14:16.000 Hi, I'm Layla.

01:14:18.000 Hi, Layle.

01:14:18.000 What's your question?

01:14:21.000 Sorry, I like did not come in here planning to ask a question.

01:14:24.000 Don't worry about it, don't worry.

01:14:25.000 I'm kind of like really nervously sweating right now.

01:14:28.000 You have nothing to be nervous in here.

01:14:29.000 You're doing fantastic.

01:14:31.000 Anyways, like I said, I wasn't really planning on asking anything.

01:14:37.000 I just came here to gain some perspective.

01:14:40.000 But something that you said, Jack, intrigued me when you were asked when you were discussing the future of agricultural labor and you're talking about things like AI-based alternatives and automated systems.

01:14:53.000 I am a graduate student in sustainability.

01:14:56.000 I graduated with my bachelor's of science and sustainability as well.

01:15:01.000 So I'm in a lot of climate-related spaces, I suppose.

01:15:06.000 And even though I'm still only a student, I've been able to learn from some really incredible researchers and scientists and pioneers in all kinds of ecological related fields.

01:15:17.000 So this is more of like a general question, like you can answer in whatever way makes sense to you.

01:15:23.000 But I was wondering what your general take on climate change is and how you think the current administration is handling it.

01:15:31.000 And do you believe that the techno-optimism perspective is a concrete enough solution to depend on in the future, even if we don't really know what that will look like even 10 years from now, much less 50?

01:15:44.000 Yeah, no, great question.

01:15:45.000 I would generally say I'm a techno-optimist.

01:15:48.000 Gen 4 nuclear power is something that I'm totally behind.

01:15:51.000 I think it's great.

01:15:52.000 Again, so I mentioned I served in the Navy and in the Navy we use Gen 1 nuclear power and Gen 2 and Gen 3.

01:15:59.000 And so we have such an experience of operating nuclear power plants on our ships and so our submarines.

01:16:07.000 Every single submarine the United States Navy has.

01:16:10.000 I'm just talking from my background, so that's why I'm going there.

01:16:12.000 No, sorry.

01:16:13.000 That's so cool because nuclear came from submarines.

01:16:17.000 That's how Hyman Rickover, yeah.

01:16:19.000 Yeah, sorry.

01:16:20.000 No, you're fine.

01:16:21.000 Go on.

01:16:21.000 Yeah, so it was Hyman Rickover, incredible American officer who understood the nuclear Navy and the power of it because realizing that with nuclear power on the ships and then the subs eventually, that you could essentially have a submarine that would stay or a ship that could stay on station indefinitely.

01:16:41.000 And your only limit on that is actually the sailors.

01:16:44.000 So food, you know, oxygen, et cetera, which of course with AI is going to be the next, you know, the next bridge that we cross.

01:16:53.000 So we're going to get to the point, I think we're probably already at the point where I know they've said the last fighter pilot has already been born.

01:17:00.000 The last submariner has probably already been born.

01:17:03.000 It's just going to happen.

01:17:04.000 Same with aircraft carriers as well.

01:17:07.000 And so we have such an experience with nuclear in the Navy and a very safe experience, by the way, that I really do think that it's time to start getting Gen 4 nuclear power back into the mainland.

01:17:21.000 And this is something where obviously there's going to be people who disagree on renewables and disagree on certain things.

01:17:29.000 One of the questions, of course, is do you get enough power from renewables?

01:17:33.000 And just right now, we're not quite there yet in terms of the power export that we're able to access from there.

01:17:40.000 That's why we're seeing the Iran war right now, right? 0.97

01:17:43.000 That's why it's natural gas and oil.

01:17:45.000 That's why gas prices are the way they are.

01:17:47.000 And I've said for a long time that if we just, we made, I mean, think of it, right?

01:17:52.000 We found these magical rocks that give us free energy forever.

01:17:58.000 And then we had some incidents while we were learning to use the magic rocks.

01:18:02.000 And so we buried them and stopped using them.

01:18:04.000 And I just think that's kind of wrong.

01:18:06.000 And so I think that techno-optimism absolutely is something that I'm 100% behind.

01:18:12.000 I think that it's something where you can marry these concerns about climate change with the future and also with people who would just want to see and make sure that we maintain enough energy to not only maintain our standard of living.

01:18:27.000 And Blake, you were talking about this on the podcast the other day, but also expand and progress our standard of living.

01:18:32.000 I would just say we've never degrowthed our way out of any big problem.

01:18:37.000 And if you look at where the biggest innovations are coming, which would include anything that would resolve global warming or any environmental problem, it's actually coming from the countries that have the most energy production because those are the most innovative and productive.

01:18:50.000 So stuff comes out of the United States, it comes out of China because we're the nations that generate the most power, generate the most innovation.

01:18:58.000 And we should care about the environment.

01:19:00.000 We have to be stewards.

01:19:01.000 As Christians, we believe in stewardship, but we are not going to achieve that by taking this anti-civilizational posture that I think a lot of people do.

01:19:10.000 I think a lot of hostility towards hostility towards electricity, hostility towards industry, ultimately just becomes hostility towards prosperity itself.

01:19:22.000 And we can't go down that path.

01:19:24.000 That's the path of failure.

01:19:26.000 It's the path of being Britain.

01:19:28.000 I don't want to be like Britain. 0.85

01:19:30.000 Being the UK.

01:19:32.000 But I think also just to add, one of the reasons that Greenland comes up so much is because you're starting to see, and we're seeing the reduction in northern sea ice.

01:19:43.000 And the fact that those waterways are now opening up across the North Pole is going to be not only going to lead to the economics of the future, it's going to lead to wars of the future.

01:19:54.000 It's why Russia is building megaports on their northern tier.

01:19:58.000 And it's clearly something that's driving, you know, people say, why is President Trump talking about Greenland?

01:20:03.000 And I bring up some of these issues.

01:20:04.000 And they say, oh, wow, I never thought of it that way.

01:20:07.000 All righty.

01:20:09.000 Okay.

01:20:10.000 Thank you so much.

01:20:11.000 We promised we'd be shorter and we were not sure.

01:20:13.000 We're away shorter.

01:20:15.000 Let's see if we can be better on this.

01:20:17.000 She asked a good question.

01:20:18.000 Only bad questions from now on.

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01:21:23.000 Okay, hi, my name is Kat Ellison.

01:21:25.000 Howdy, Kat.

01:21:26.000 Thank you so much for coming to ASU.

01:21:28.000 And my question is, what is something that you would like to see more out of the Trump administration?

01:21:33.000 See, that's a good question again.

01:21:35.000 Deportations next.

01:21:35.000 What's that?

01:21:36.000 More deportations, yeah.

01:21:39.000 I'd like to see it.

01:21:40.000 Yeah, I would like to see more home building.

01:21:42.000 I really liked Charlie's idea of moonshot, build 10 million homes.

01:21:46.000 21st Century Housing Act is coming.

01:21:48.000 I like that.

01:21:49.000 It's not the moonshot, but it's getting there.

01:21:52.000 I'm in favor of a country that builds stuff.

01:21:55.000 And I think we should make it as easy as possible for, you don't need the government to do it, for private actors to build things in America.

01:22:02.000 I think we should see it as a huge failure every time.

01:22:06.000 It should be nationally humiliating that that bridge in Baltimore got knocked over by a boat, I think, two or three years ago.

01:22:12.000 It still isn't replaced.

01:22:13.000 I think the timeline is 2030 now.

01:22:15.000 2030, yeah.

01:22:16.000 And similarly, they're trying to build a microchip plant in New York.

01:22:19.000 It's been held up by, I think, a nonprofit that's funded by China and has six people in it.

01:22:25.000 And they've held that up for a few years at this point.

01:22:28.000 That should be a national crisis.

01:22:30.000 And the biggest one is housing.

01:22:31.000 It should be the simplest thing in the world to build enough houses, enough apartments, enough condos, enough take-your-pick to have an affordable option for everyone in this country.

01:22:41.000 And it is purely a regulatory failure, in my opinion, that we have brought up.

01:22:46.000 You know what else would help with housing?

01:22:47.000 Deportations.

01:22:48.000 That is true, and it is.

01:22:51.000 There we are.

01:22:52.000 Thank you so much.

01:22:53.000 Thank you.

01:22:58.000 Hey, gentlemen, my name is Danny, and I'm a freshman here at ASU, and I'm studying marine biology.

01:23:04.000 I wanted to talk a little bit.

01:23:05.000 Wait, wait, you're studying marine biology in the desert.

01:23:08.000 Right.

01:23:08.000 Oh, I hear it a lot.

01:23:10.000 I'm sure that's the first time you've heard that.

01:23:12.000 I grew up in Florida, though.

01:23:13.000 Oh, okay, okay.

01:23:14.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:23:15.000 Hold on.

01:23:16.000 Wait, you're from Florida.

01:23:17.000 I'm over this.

01:23:18.000 And you moved to the desert to study marine.

01:23:21.000 Okay, no, I'm just...

01:23:22.000 Are you done?

01:23:22.000 Can I ask?

01:23:23.000 I'm not judging.

01:23:24.000 She was not judging.

01:23:24.000 She was choosing between that and you, Miami's desert program.

01:23:28.000 Okay.

01:23:29.000 Okay.

01:23:29.000 Okay, so I wanted to speak a little bit on the killing of Sheridan Gorman, an 18-year-old from Yorktown and a freshman at Loyola, Chicago.

01:23:38.000 Why does it feel like cases like this don't get national attention or public acknowledgement from major political figures, especially those with ties to the community, someone like AOC, who is from Sheridan's hometown and high school?

01:23:51.000 And also, should there be more pressure on leaders like AOC to address this?

01:23:56.000 Absolutely.

01:23:57.000 I think the reason, we've gotten better about highlighting them.

01:24:00.000 The Trump administration, to its credit, has highlighted incidents like that.

01:24:05.000 They had a case similar to hers with Irina Zarutska.

01:24:08.000 her family members at the State of the Union.

01:24:10.000 We should highlight these because they're not, there are, there will be crimes in any country.

01:24:16.000 There will be murder victims in any country.

01:24:17.000 But there is a special type of failure that comes from letting a person into your country who then murders someone here because you can control who comes into your country. 0.98

01:24:27.000 Every single person who comes from America, we should be looking at them and saying, does this person make America better or will this person make America worse? 1.00

01:24:36.000 And for decades on end, our leadership class, in particular among Democrats, many Republicans are implicated, they abdicated that responsibility.

01:24:46.000 They abdicated their responsibility to their citizens to make sure that the people coming into this country made this country better. 1.00

01:24:52.000 And they did it because it allowed a few people to make a quick buck.

01:24:55.000 It allowed some people to feel morally superior like they were good people.

01:25:00.000 And frankly, it allowed some people to get power.

01:25:03.000 A lot of people do this because they see it as a way to entrench themselves in power by replacing the people already in this country.

01:25:09.000 And so absolutely, it should be called out as much as possible because it's exceptionally evil what these people have done.

01:25:16.000 That right now, if you go To an airport in this country, you might have to wait an extra hour or two hour or three hours because they are currently refusing to fund DHS and they are refusing to fund DHS because they are angry that ICE might deport someone like the illegal immigrant who killed that woman.

01:25:34.000 And this is happening over and over again, and it should be highlighted every single time.

01:25:38.000 I'll also mention that this is a failure on the right, and it's a failure of conservative media as well.

01:25:45.000 Because so you look at a situation like Alex Predi or the, remember the Maryland man, Rego Garcia, who is actually being deported now, if I remember the latest on this, that when one of those situations happens, you know, and it's and the left has the ability to portray a victim of the right, what you'll see them do is they will go up to every single senator on the right, every Republican, they'll go up to people in conservative media, they'll go up to every single one of them.

01:26:14.000 Do you agree with this?

01:26:15.000 Do you denounce this?

01:26:16.000 Are you okay with this?

01:26:17.000 Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, over and over and over.

01:26:20.000 And this is a failure, I think, on our side because we don't do that.

01:26:23.000 What you just said about AOC and why isn't she bringing this up?

01:26:28.000 Conservative media doesn't do this enough. 0.55

01:26:30.000 We just don't do it enough because it requires having now.

01:26:34.000 That's also part of the, there's also an issue of scale there because they just have more reporters and they can hang people off at the, you know, at the Capitol building or other parts of DC, et cetera, just to be able to do that all day.

01:26:47.000 And this is this is why one of the things that I have always appreciated Charlie for and turning point for was investing in new media and investing in those enterprises, building up grassroots, building up individuals to be able to, Nick Shirley, right?

01:27:00.000 You know, you look at something that people can do on a regular basis that would not have existed in the past.

01:27:07.000 So you're absolutely right.

01:27:08.000 You're absolutely right that it's a problem, but it is a problem that we're seeing improvement on.

01:27:12.000 We are.

01:27:13.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:27:14.000 Thank you very much.

01:27:20.000 Hi, my name is Ocean Rosso, and I'm a Turning Point Chapter President in my community.

01:27:25.000 And I've had the honor of speaking to thousands all across the state.

01:27:28.000 But one issue I see come up again and again, specifically in my generation, is an apathy when it comes to freedom or the Constitution or even the conservative movement from both liberals and conservatives in this movement.

01:27:41.000 So my question is: how do you believe it is best for us to combat this apathy and save freedom?

01:27:47.000 Well, I think that's a great question.

01:27:49.000 And of course, we got the shirts on, and this was the shirt that Charlie was wearing that day.

01:27:55.000 And we sort of talked about it at the, you know, I get it, right?

01:28:03.000 The reason that people are saying, well, they say, people are saying the system is messed up, so why should I support that thing on the wall over there?

01:28:10.000 That's the system that got us here.

01:28:12.000 So I should be against that.

01:28:13.000 And who cares?

01:28:14.000 Because if that system brought us to this, then what good was the system, right?

01:28:16.000 That's usually what you get in response.

01:28:19.000 And when you look at the building blocks of that, and you, you know, Blake and I were just talking about it at the outset here, and we talked about what happened to Charlie.

01:28:30.000 That's what happens when you move outside that system.

01:28:34.000 That when you move outside that system and you stop having dialogue and you stop having conversation and you stop having debate, like we have had tonight, we've had disagreement and Blake and I, I'm sure, will be disagreeing all night as we do in our chat rooms and all the rest of it.

01:28:49.000 But the point is, is that this is the system that brought us to these incredible, dizzying heights that we have as a country, as the United States of America.

01:29:01.000 And we should probably be very careful about being so cavalier about just chopping it down and getting rid of it because this is the system that brought us to where we are.

01:29:11.000 And so, you know, I think that Charlie would say, use that story, use his story as an example to point out the dangers of losing the First Amendment or deciding to step beyond voting and dialogue and peace because of how bad things can get and how things can get very quickly.

01:29:35.000 And there were a lot of, and by the way, I would say this, and I said this to a lot of media, and you're not saying this, but I'll say this again, that, you know, there were people who, there were people constantly, if you guys, if you're here on the right, if you're part of Turning Point, they'll say, oh, you conservatives, you're so violent.

01:29:50.000 You're always practicing violence, promoting violence.

01:29:53.000 Right-wing violence is the greatest threat to America.

01:29:55.000 And I always say this.

01:29:56.000 I say, really?

01:29:57.000 Really?

01:29:58.000 Because if that were true, and if we were really the people that you say we are, then look at how we responded to Charlie Kirk.

01:30:04.000 Did we respond with violence in that situation when we were visited with violence?

01:30:08.000 No, we did not respond with violence.

01:30:09.000 What did we respond with?

01:30:11.000 We responded with prayers.

01:30:13.000 We responded with togetherness.

01:30:14.000 We responded with unity.

01:30:15.000 We responded with peace.

01:30:17.000 I came here to ASU, to that incredible prayer visual that we had.

01:30:21.000 We got together and we prayed.

01:30:23.000 That is who we are.

01:30:24.000 And so it's something where, yes, the media is also part of that First Amendment.

01:30:29.000 Don't we love them?

01:30:31.000 But it's, again, it's part of the system so that we have that push and pull and we don't have one side just dominating over the other.

01:30:39.000 And so use real life examples like that of things that are incredibly relevant.

01:30:47.000 And, you know, Luigi Maggioni, Thomas Matthew Crooks, we can, you know, you can point to, unfortunately, I'm sure there'll be more incidents of violence that come up because when you walk away from this, that's where you get.

01:31:01.000 Thank you.

01:31:02.000 very much.

01:31:12.000 Hi, my name is Charlie and I applied to be a field rep and I was just asking what advice you have.

01:31:21.000 Thank you.

01:31:24.000 I was just going to ask like what advice you have for somebody like me who applied for like tabling and dealing with backlash on campus.

01:31:34.000 I mean, what's the advice Charlie would give us?

01:31:37.000 You've always lost when you get angry.

01:31:39.000 Yeah, never get angry.

01:31:41.000 He would always say that.

01:31:42.000 You know, never, you know, never be in a situation where you are, you know, you're being overwhelmed.

01:31:51.000 Never allow the emotions of the moment to overwhelm you to say, here I am.

01:31:55.000 Oh my gosh, I'm feeling this certain way, or this question is making me so upset, or this person is making me so upset.

01:32:02.000 Maintain your frame, right?

01:32:03.000 Maintain your frame.

01:32:05.000 Don't get frame-mogged.

01:32:07.000 Maintain your frame.

01:32:07.000 Hold frame.

01:32:09.000 And at the same time, just remember, you know, you're out there representing TPUSA.

01:32:16.000 You're out there representing the premier conservative organization and youth organization on the face of the planet.

01:32:24.000 And that you've got the full faith and full force of Turning Point behind you.

01:32:29.000 And should something happen, hey man, get it on film and we're going to be able to take care of you.

01:32:34.000 We're going to be able to be there and have your back.

01:32:37.000 If something, you know, we've had people knock over tables and things like that.

01:32:42.000 And I'm not saying that's going to happen.

01:32:43.000 But if it were, you know, don't get frustrated.

01:32:46.000 Don't get flustered.

01:32:47.000 Get evidence.

01:32:48.000 Get it on tape.

01:32:49.000 And we're going to film that.

01:32:49.000 Get receipts.

01:32:50.000 But at the same time, it's maintaining that outlook of being a happy warrior, right?

01:32:55.000 And that's how Charlie was.

01:32:56.000 He was the happy warrior.

01:32:58.000 He would go out there.

01:32:59.000 He loved debating.

01:33:00.000 And I think that's what Turning Point's all about, being happy.

01:33:02.000 And believe me, I can dip into anger myself at times.

01:33:06.000 And it's something that I've tried to advise for myself too, is that, hey, if you're going to be out there doing a Turning Point event, do it like Charlie would.

01:33:14.000 Do it with kindness, do it with grace.

01:33:17.000 And I think that's what he always tried to lead with.

01:33:19.000 Charlie always, he would tell me, actually, I think this is the first time I ever traveled with him, and he told me, Blake, if I'm feeling sad, I just decide not to be sad, and then I'm not sad.

01:33:29.000 Not what I'm drinking, dude.

01:33:31.000 I thought, okay, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

01:33:34.000 I'm not sure I believe him.

01:33:35.000 But he actually, it was true.

01:33:37.000 He actually, he was a strong believer that you can choose how you react to things.

01:33:43.000 You can choose the attitude that you bring into things.

01:33:46.000 And that's probably very difficult the first time you do it, maybe the first 20 times you do it.

01:33:51.000 But it is a skill that can be built over time.

01:33:55.000 And one of the things I had, you know, I worked with Charlie for three years.

01:33:59.000 And what I grew to admire the most in him was that sort of discipline that I saw.

01:34:05.000 You can meet a million people who are smart and then their lives are a disaster.

01:34:08.000 But it was that Charlie was the absolute master of having discipline over his feelings, discipline over his reaction to things, discipline over how he over the things he could control in his life, he exerted maximum power over, and the things that he couldn't control in his life, he left to God.

01:34:29.000 Thank you so much.

01:34:29.000 That's right.

01:34:30.000 Congratulations.

01:34:31.000 Thank you for stepping up, too.

01:34:35.000 I think we have eight minutes now.

01:34:37.000 We're going to make it, guys.

01:34:38.000 We're going to make it.

01:34:39.000 All right, let's speed around.

01:34:40.000 Let's go.

01:34:41.000 My name is Landon.

01:34:41.000 How's it going, guys?

01:34:42.000 Howdy, Landon.

01:34:43.000 This is not as much of like a question.

01:34:46.000 It kind of is, but it's also like a debate topic as well.

01:34:49.000 Charlie, bless his soul.

01:34:51.000 This is something I've always wanted to debate him.

01:34:53.000 And it's like how to raise your kids.

01:34:55.000 Because I knew that Charlie was a huge advocate of being like a strict parent and stuff.

01:35:00.000 Because I remember when he was on the George Janko show, he said in that podcast episode that the kids that always went out and did drugs and drinking and stuff were the ones that had not very strict parents and the strict, and the kids that had strict parents, you know, they would always be afraid that their mom or dad would kill them if they ever did something like that.

01:35:21.000 But personally, for me, as someone who didn't have particularly strict parents, I never went out and drank or did drugs or anything.

01:35:30.000 So I'm kind of like more of an advocate of, I also am an advocate of like, you know, strict parenting causes sneaky kids because I have seen it before.

01:35:40.000 So I'm kind of more of an advocate of like, obviously being, you know, you need to be strict at times, but always like, you know, be there for your kids.

01:35:49.000 Because my parenting situation was, is they would, my parents would say, you know, if you ever go out to a party and get drunk or something, just know we may not agree with what you're doing, but just know that we are here for you.

01:36:02.000 And if you need to talk to us, or like if you're at a party in a bad situation, call us because we would rather us come pick you up and you get home safely than you not come home at all.

01:36:12.000 So that's kind of my view on parenting personally.

01:36:14.000 I just kind of wanted to know your thoughts on that.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, I'm kind of heterodox on this.

01:36:20.000 And I don't think that, and I've thought about these things a lot, and as a dad, I think about this all the time, obviously.

01:36:27.000 But I think that different people have different kids and different kids need different outcomes.

01:36:33.000 And I don't think parenting is a one-size-fits-all thing.

01:36:37.000 I don't think I've ever actually said this publicly.

01:36:39.000 But you mentioned it.

01:36:40.000 It's been something I've been thinking about for a while.

01:36:42.000 And I don't think there is any one answer that's going to, oh, this is going to set your kid on the straight and narrow.

01:36:49.000 I mean, I think there's generally good principles.

01:36:51.000 But at the same time, I just think different kids are different.

01:36:55.000 And so what you have to do more than anything before you even start applying one of these systems that people sell to their kids is you have to meet your kids, meet them where they are, understand them, try to know them as they are.

01:37:08.000 And don't try to mold them into exactly what you want them to be, but also coach them, if that makes sense, and find out what they are specifically talented at or skilled at or what they gravitate towards, and then use that to say, okay, these are the best ways you can use your talent for good, whether it's something that I want or not, and hopefully it's something I want.

01:37:36.000 And you can do that, unless of course it's being a libtar.

01:37:41.000 As long as you're patriots.

01:37:44.000 And I do think that's the best way.

01:37:45.000 So strict versus not strict.

01:37:47.000 Now, that being said, one thing that I would add, though, is you can have friendly relationships with your children, and you should.

01:37:57.000 You want your kid to be, what's the metric?

01:37:58.000 You want your kid to be able to be to enjoy quiet moments with you and just feel that comfort.

01:38:04.000 But at the same time, you can't do that at the cost of stopping being a father or a mother to your kid.

01:38:13.000 You have to be mom and dad.

01:38:15.000 You cannot be, you know, oh, I'm just friends with my kids.

01:38:19.000 I'm going to let them do whatever.

01:38:20.000 It's like, nah, that ain't it.

01:38:22.000 Because kids can't be free-range.

01:38:24.000 It don't work.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, there's a much longer topic there, but it's a good question.

01:38:29.000 I said bad questions.

01:38:30.000 These are good questions.

01:38:31.000 What's happening?

01:38:32.000 Thank you.

01:38:33.000 This audience is fired.

01:38:34.000 Get out of here.

01:38:36.000 All right, this is our last one.

01:38:37.000 All right, here we go.

01:38:38.000 Lucky you.

01:38:39.000 I'm lucky on your shirt.

01:38:39.000 Hi.

01:38:41.000 You're a lucky guy.

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 There we go.

01:38:44.000 I had two questions, but I'll ask them really quick, and you can answer however you want to.

01:38:48.000 The first question was regarding, it was mentioned about automation in regards to farming and then AI and other stuff like that.

01:38:55.000 I don't want to make assumptions, but to be quick, I'm just going to real quick.

01:39:00.000 In general, when it comes to like, I guess, kind of protectionist policies to protect American labor while also being in favor of like free markets, economic growth, and protecting labor, there seems to be like a conflict with automization and AI with the potential for people to lose jobs.

01:39:20.000 And then there's also the potential where subsidizing certain industries could probably cause economic dissatisfaction with like taxes.

01:39:28.000 How can you deal with both of these situations together without losing any type of like core values or principles about certain economic policies?

01:39:38.000 And then the other one was regarding political violence is like a serious problem in the country and so is with like radical beliefs.

01:39:47.000 And it seems to be like a problem that comes on a lot more because of like online discourses.

01:39:53.000 I have friends who are conservative.

01:39:54.000 I have friends who are liberal.

01:39:55.000 They don't ever say anything crazy about political violence.

01:39:58.000 But then you go online and you see people from either both sides or presenting as being both sides, saying really not good things and promoting certain ideas.

01:40:12.000 What would you say the solution for that is?

01:40:13.000 And do you think that there needs to be more cooperation and outreach between people with different ideas to have greater conversations and tolerance with each other?

01:40:23.000 Well, we have to really blitz this one.

01:40:25.000 I mean, the political violence one, obviously, I think discourse like this, public spaces, that has to help.

01:40:31.000 You actually, it is deeply humanizing to actually engage in dialogue in real life with people, not just on the internet.

01:40:39.000 Call it the grass-touching principle.

01:40:42.000 You get to see, and it's something that, you know, kind of in the wake of Charlie's murder that I thought about more as well, is that when you're online, as you say, that person isn't like Charlie, the human being who has a wife and kids.

01:41:00.000 It's, oh, there's that guy, Charlie Kirk.

01:41:03.000 I hate that guy.

01:41:03.000 He's always talking his hate.

01:41:05.000 He's always so bad.

01:41:07.000 I've got to stop him.

01:41:08.000 I've got to find a way to stop him.

01:41:09.000 But, you know, I wish that Tyler Robinson had just come to the event and stood in line and had a debate with the guy rather than doing what he did because I think that it just, to Blake's point, it humanizes you.

01:41:25.000 It lets you see that the other person, we did it earlier today with the UNF America people, where we got out, we had a conversation, we were actually able to provide them some information that they didn't have, and they actually kind of apologized.

01:41:37.000 And I think she deleted she would delete something, and she did.

01:41:40.000 So, you know, it would have been easy for us and probably would have got more clicks out of it if we just went and started yelling at each other.

01:41:47.000 But, you know, what's really better for the country ultimately?

01:41:50.000 And I think that's what leads to places where you get more political violence.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, that was like one of the problems with one of the things that bothered me with after the murder of Charlotte Kirk.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:42:01.000 I didn't see any people that I personally knew like celebrating or like saying like, oh, we need a civil war to get back at people.

01:42:06.000 But then online, you would see people who are very upset on both things saying something that they would never say to people in person, really.

01:42:13.000 And I feel like that's a bad problem.

01:42:14.000 And then I feel like it also has the effect of really ramping people up who don't go outside and spend all their time on online spaces.

01:42:21.000 Can I actually, can I actually combine your questions?

01:42:24.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:42:25.000 So what's interesting is that, you know, did you think those two things were related at all?

01:42:31.000 Partially with like AI and like automation.

01:42:33.000 So I think they are.

01:42:35.000 I think that political violence and economic upheaval are actually related.

01:42:40.000 And I think that you see this in the past as well, like during the Industrial Revolution.

01:42:46.000 So the Industrial Revolution happens.

01:42:47.000 We're living through the technological revolution now.

01:42:49.000 And what happens right after the Industrial Revolution?

01:42:52.000 Like massive Bolshevik uprisings across Europe.

01:42:56.000 It leads to World War II.

01:42:58.000 You see reprisals, et cetera.

01:43:00.000 And prior to that, you see this wave of hyper-violence across Europe.

01:43:04.000 And even here in the United States, if you go into the 1800s, we had a radical socialist murderer president, which we don't talk about at all.

01:43:13.000 But right there in New York State, in Buffalo, New York, we had huge bombings on Wall Street and Chicago, which we don't really talk about anymore.

01:43:24.000 And I think a lot of that was caused by economic upheaval.

01:43:27.000 So I'm not saying that the internet discourse doesn't play a role, but we did see political violence during another period when we were going through an economic, what would you call it, a shift, a change, an economic revolution like the Industrial Revolution.

01:43:44.000 And so, because it just leads to massive, massive wealth inequalities.

01:43:49.000 And I know I've said that around some people, and they're saying, oh, Jack, you can't talk about that.

01:43:53.000 That's Karl Marx talk.

01:43:54.000 And I was like, well, no, I'm not saying that I want communism.

01:43:57.000 I'm just saying that economics obviously plays a huge role in all of this.

01:44:02.000 When you look at Tyler Robinson, this was a downwardly mobile white male student who looked like he had been decently intelligent, but I guess was a college dropout or was like going to not his original college.

01:44:16.000 You see the same thing with Thomas Matthew Crookes, the guy who tried to shoot President Trump.

01:44:19.000 Luigi Maggioni was a guy who went to the Ivy League University, was extremely privileged, and yet at the same time, he also goes off the deep end and it's like off in Japan trying to find himself and doing drugs.

01:44:33.000 And so when you live through these times of upheaval, it leads to radical decisions and radical acts.

01:44:41.000 And so I'm not saying that, you know, oh, we'll just stop that and it'll all go away.

01:44:44.000 No, but as a movement, it's something where when Blake is talking about how we need more housing, when we need to actually relieve some of these economic pressures that have been faced, that I actually think that in the wash, it will actually help with the political violence problem.

01:45:02.000 Okay.

01:45:04.000 With that being said, that's sort of in the long term, in the short term, you have to crack down very, very severely on anyone who's committing or planning political violence.

01:45:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:45:16.000 One last thing on that is with, it could be argued or like talked about about like certain economic policies and then certain ways that the direction is headed.

01:45:25.000 And then with the internet, people have been increasingly detached from in-person connections and not in their communities.

01:45:35.000 How would you say that has affected people turning towards politically violent or like radical ideas?

01:45:43.000 Well, so what you're happening, what you're seeing happen now is people's identities are changing in the sense that people used to identify with, like, I just told that story about how I identified with my hometown, and that was like a big thing for me growing up, that we all knew each other.

01:45:57.000 And then you look at how people live now, they're so atomized where people don't know their neighbors.

01:46:02.000 And this is largely due to the internal migrations that have taken place as people are moving from city to city to find better work.

01:46:09.000 Over and over, those communities at scale are just smashed up.

01:46:13.000 And so you're living in this situation where people are moving to places where they don't have these great communities.

01:46:20.000 So that's why, and I was mentioning this before, that sort of in the wake of Charlie's murder, I've been reflecting on his interest and why he spent so much time being on campus and building campus organizations and doing it in person.

01:46:36.000 Because I used to think, I used to think I would say, well, why not just use the internet?

01:46:40.000 Why not just use social media?

01:46:41.000 You can do all this online.

01:46:43.000 Why?

01:46:43.000 You know, it's so much time and so much effort.

01:46:45.000 Because the internet is evil, Jack.

01:46:47.000 But no, it's because of this.

01:46:49.000 It's because I realized that there's another layer to it where Charlie was building human communities and he was working to build human communities.

01:46:57.000 And obviously, like, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that church is a huge example of a human community, which obviously it's a human community that's connecting you with God, which is quite possibly the highest possible human community.

01:47:11.000 And so we absolutely need to do better at building those human communities, human communities that connect us with God like churches, but at the same time, just getting to places where we can go out and just be in public with people once again, as opposed to this atomized online, you know, PvP warfare all the time.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, as a cybersecurity student, it's really interesting hearing, I guess, the effects of it and learning about them.

01:47:37.000 And thank you for speaking on that and being here and having answering questions.

01:47:42.000 Thank you, and thank you for being patient.

01:47:45.000 How do you guys think Blake Neff did?

01:47:47.000 This is his first one.

01:47:48.000 Can you believe that?

01:47:50.000 I think he does all right.

01:47:54.000 I want to say thank you so much, guys, for being a great audience.

01:47:58.000 I asked for bad questions.

01:47:59.000 Unfortunately, you did not listen.

01:48:01.000 And all of your questions were phenomenal.

01:48:03.000 And thank you to the entire team that put this on, that made it together.

01:48:07.000 I know there's a lot of volunteers.

01:48:09.000 There's a lot of tech work that went into it.

01:48:11.000 So let's give a hand to the text group.

01:48:13.000 Yeah, let's give a hand to Techro, all the volunteers, and the local grab.

01:48:18.000 We had no problems.

01:48:19.000 And by the way, and of course, to the law enforcement and security for keeping us all safe today.

01:48:29.000 A lot of times, we know a lot of times that law enforcement gets painted with a bad brush and a broad brush these days.

01:48:38.000 And I think that's absurd because these are people that are, by the way, when 911 calls, these are the people who come running.

01:48:47.000 And you should always thank a person who's willing to do that.

01:48:58.000 Thank you very much, everybody.

01:48:59.000 And on that note, I have to run to the airport and I really hope that I don't run into one of Blake's TSA lines.

01:49:10.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 28, 2026

Pick Up The Mic: Blake and Jack at Arizona State University

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