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00:01:09.000I almost feel like we don't even need these speakers, but I guess the AV guys will say we do need them.
00:01:15.000Yeah, we need to record it or that nonsense.
00:01:24.000My second event to ASU, actually the first event we had here was just about six months ago, the first event that I had when we did the vigil for Charlie.
00:01:34.000And I think that was one of the biggest vigils that had been done.
00:01:38.000So I wanted to say thank you to everybody.
00:01:40.000I know that a lot of people here helped to put that on.
00:01:42.000I'm sure a lot of you guys were at that.
00:01:44.000Most of you are probably there, right?
00:02:30.000But so Blake's background, so you guys don't know, is that he was a writer on the Tucker Carlson show for Fox News.
00:02:37.000And after that, he came over to the Charlie Kirk show where three years, three years, worked there for three years.
00:02:45.000And not only as a writer, as a researcher, but also, and this is going to be, and he's going to talk about it in a second, also as one of the guys that would help Charlie come up with his arguments that would help Charlie do the research, do the planning, do the back and forth, sort of like play out the debates a little bit.
00:03:07.000And so when Utah happened last year, that was the first day of that tour.
00:03:17.000As a lot of people, you know, may not realize, though, that there was this, when Charlie was going into tour mode, well, Blake, you can talk about this a little bit.
00:03:25.000When Charlie was going into tour mode, I want to know what was that got over.
00:03:30.000You know, I think I'll start off with this, which is one of the most common questions we'd get at these events and on the show is people, young people would say, Charlie, how can I do what you do?
00:03:42.000And I remember a conversation I had with one of our team members with Brian, and he said, these people don't know what they're asking because they do not want to do what Charlie does.
00:03:53.000Like, I saw Charlie doing the grind in and out every single day.
00:03:58.000And I'll tell you, the last conversations I had with Charlie were preparing for an event just like this one, bigger, of course, but same thing, because he said, I need to be ready for everything they could throw at me.
00:04:20.000What does the Bible say on all of these topics?
00:04:22.000The very last conversation I had with Charlie by text, not even in person, it was, Blake, remind me, what are all the good arguments for monogamy?
00:04:31.000Which I think there's pretty good arguments for monogamy, but he's just refreshed them to me.
00:04:37.000And, you know, why is monogamy better than polygamy?
00:04:40.000Why is European monogamy better than the way anywhere else does it?
00:04:58.000You know, and that's what Charlie was like.
00:05:01.000And it wasn't just because that event was going on.
00:05:04.000Charlie was able to go out and debate every single day because Charlie was effectively debating every single day with you and me in a friendly way.
00:05:37.000And what was so exceptional with Charlie was the profound humility and that he was always ready to learn.
00:05:43.000He was always ready to pick up a new expert who could teach him something.
00:05:47.000And he was never discouraged by having a setback.
00:05:51.000He was doing an event like this probably in his last year.
00:05:54.000I bet he did 30 of them in a year or something like that.
00:05:57.000And as someone who had to review every single one of those, just because we'd be posting them as podcast episodes, I will tell you, Charlie did not win every single debate he ever got in.
00:06:07.000Charlie did not win every single exchange he had with students.
00:06:11.000He had somewhere, they would go viral with the left where the highlight would be, oh, Charlie gets owned by student on this.
00:06:17.000And he would get discouraged by it, but he would not be discouraged ever in a way that made him slack on his prep.
00:06:24.000Every setback for Charlie was always an opportunity to just learn more, get better.
00:06:30.000I think one of the best lessons you can get from Charlie, one of the reasons he achieved so much in barely 30 years of life is that Charlie understood that the person who fails the most actually succeeds the most.
00:08:00.000And I can't say, as someone doing this for the first time, I know there's a lot of nervousness.
00:08:04.000I can't say how he felt the first time he ever did it.
00:08:07.000But what I can say is by the time I saw him out there, he was a guy who he wasn't afraid to argue in front of 100 people.
00:08:15.000He wasn't afraid to argue in front of 3,000 people.
00:08:18.000He wasn't afraid if this was going to be seen by 10 million people on Fox News or if it was going to go viral to 100 million people on TikTok.
00:08:26.000And it was simultaneously never being afraid of the sheer number of people out there or ever forgetting when you're talking to just one person that it all hones in on that person and you have to speak to them as the individual.
00:08:40.000And so I just loop back to people would always ask, how can I be like Charlie?
00:08:55.000And I think Jack, you and I can both attest that he was one of the best at it.
00:09:02.000And we know because students like you would tell us that.
00:09:06.000We know because of the emails we received.
00:09:08.000But most of all, we know, and the reason we're here today, we know because someone was so afraid about the arguments that Charlie might make that rather than just grab that mic and make the argument against him, he took things into his own hands in a very different way.
00:09:27.000And I'll even, you know, on that note, I'll address that, so I heard there was this situation with another group, the UNF America Tour, that they were trying to have an event on ASU's campus today as well.
00:09:54.000Blake and I went out and Andrew Colvett, who we work with, also went out.
00:09:58.000And there had been some misconception.
00:10:00.000And they were asking us if we played a role in having their event canceled.
00:10:06.000And I said, not only did we not have a role in that, but also our event got canceled too.
00:10:12.000So, you know, believe me, if we had that kind of poll, we would have obviously just stuck with our own regular event that we were planning to have.
00:10:19.000And I feel like we had a pretty good conversation with them.
00:10:22.000Some of those clips are going around right now.
00:10:24.000I'm sure there's going to be some more as well.
00:10:25.000And yeah, we chopped it up a little bit, you know, as Blake is saying here.
00:10:29.000Which is what we'd want to do because what we want to do.
00:10:31.000Charlie's, every time he did an event, it was those who disagree come to the front first.
00:10:38.000And when we go to, yeah, when we go to the mic, that's exactly what we're going to say.
00:10:41.000But I just wanted to add that that was something that we eventually all agreed with because they said, well, what do you think about us having a left-wing version of the Turning Point campus tour?
00:11:57.000And that's why what happened to Charlie, not to go at it at length unless people have questions about it, but that's why what happened to him is so heinous because it was an attack on Charlie, but it was also an attack on the ideals of our country,
00:12:12.000the ideals of our country, which are based on free speech, free debate, free dialogue, and the ability of someone to be able to get up in the public square and what could be more of the modern public square than a university campus and to be able to have those debates.
00:12:29.000And that's what Charlie was all about.
00:12:32.000How many of you know what a black pillar is?
00:13:13.000He believed that this system that we have in America is one where you can go on a campus and you can win an argument and you can change people's minds.
00:13:21.000And he lived that out because we saw him personally help turn the tide on big issues.
00:13:27.000He turned the tide on who to vote for in 2024.
00:13:30.000He turned the tide on the transgenderism issue, which is one reason he was so, that man hated him.
00:13:36.000And he died believing that argument could carry the day in America.
00:13:41.000He died believing that freedom of speech was the way we can resolve our differences.
00:13:47.000He died telling people, you don't need a revolution.
00:13:51.000You don't need to overthrow the state.
00:14:13.000And that's why you and I have to pick up the mic.
00:14:18.000And I think that was, and I think ultimately, you know, the moment that, you know, and the one, I forgot the name, but she said to me that, you know, she had actually met Charlie once.
00:14:33.000from the other tour and had and said, you know, well, one day, because she was looking at the Turning Point campus and said, you know, one day I want to get so big that we have buildings and a campus and all this to it.
00:15:11.000There's only ever going to be one Charlie Kirk.
00:15:13.000There's ever only was going to be one Charlie Kirk.
00:15:15.000And there will only ever be one Charlie Kirk.
00:15:19.000But in Charlie's absence, while he's away on assignment with God, that the worst thing we could do to honor Charlie's legacy and in those days afterwards and the hours and now here we are a month, six months after, the worst thing we could possibly do is to quit and give up and pack it up and say, all right, well, you know.
00:15:45.000Whether it's giving up on the right or giving up on his strategy.
00:16:15.000But my big question here is: I'm a Jewish student here at ASU, and I am more conservative, leading a conservative leading.
00:16:23.000But around the conservative and greater right community, you do see a bunch of anti-Semitism, and the ADL has been pointing at it, and I've noticed it myself.
00:16:32.000Other students have noticed it themselves.
00:16:36.000What would you say for these Jewish students to do, and what should the leaders do to own up to this and try to fix this problem?
00:16:43.000So are you saying that you see it on just on the right in general, or actually incidents on campus?
00:16:48.000I mean, on the right in general, but then also there are some incidents on campus.
00:17:37.000That's not you guys, and I appreciate that's not you guys because 100% because I know some people want to dismiss it as people just being paranoid, but it's not paranoia because we can see it clearly there's almost a germ that gets in some people's brains where it's extremely tempting for them to blame any problems in their country, any problems in the world, and let's be frank, any problems in their personal lives on the Jews.
00:18:05.000Why is it them so commonly compared to Sidden to others?
00:18:08.000I'm sure if I could solve that question, I could probably get a big grant from somebody.
00:18:12.000But it is a recurring pattern, and you're right to be concerned about it.
00:18:18.000Now, what you should do is, first of all, just don't make any apologies for who you are.
00:18:25.000Don't allow anyone to say that you're a second-class American because of what your heritage is.
00:18:31.000And as long as you're able to hold firm on that, I think you'll win a lot of respect from people.
00:18:37.000And I think Charlie had a good disposition on this where he'd point out: like, don't pick, we shouldn't pick fights with people if they're critical of the nation-state of Israel.
00:18:46.000It's not America, they're a different country.
00:18:48.000You don't, you can disagree with people, but you don't pick fights with them or call them anti-Semitic if they dislike Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:18:55.000He's a politician, and he's a foreign politician at that.
00:18:59.000If someone is going to be saying that the Jews control everything in America, like that's just not true, and it's paranoid.
00:19:06.000And if they're going to say the Jews are responsible for why there's pornography or whatever things they come up with, you actually just have to, I'll be frank, I think those people just have to be called out as morons.
00:19:18.000Because I think for a lot of them, it's just a low-hanging fruit.
00:19:24.000And we are, I'll be frank, we're seeing a side effect of something that Charlie fought for that we all care about, which is true freedom of speech and getting rid of censorship.
00:19:33.000It used to be five years ago, six years ago, we had rampant censorship on every single platform online.
00:19:40.000And it did mean there was a lot less anti-Semitism on the internet, but it also meant you couldn't say what a woman really is.
00:19:49.000You couldn't take a lot of views that we're now able to say.
00:19:51.000And a side effect of Elon Musk buying Twitter, renaming it X, opening that up, a lot of other platforms, liberalizing so that we can say what we really believe is, it did have the side effect of enabling a lot of these people.
00:20:04.000So we have to be tough because we have to win this argument with arguments.
00:20:10.000We don't want to return to a world where censorship is rampant because that's where the left wins.
00:20:30.000So, you know, I know a lot of you here knew Charlie Kirk, so I'm sorry for your loss.
00:20:36.000So anyway, I am a history major here at ASU, and because a lot of people aren't interested in dwelling on the past, but because I'm a history major, I am.
00:20:45.000So, Jack Pasobich, I've read that you before have defended Henri Alissimo Francisco Franco, who was the Caudillo of Spain from 1936 to 1975.
00:20:59.000So you believe he was a crusader who saved Spain from communism, is that correct?
00:21:04.000So then do you think, that leads me to three questions then, do you think it was necessary for him to space in order to save Spain from communism to have the Nazi Luftwaffe level the city of Guernica to the ground and kill thousands of civilians just to take the city from Basque, Catholic Basque nationalists who only wanted autonomy for their nation?
00:21:26.000Do you think it was necessary to save Spain from communism in order for them to execute or imprison indigenous Basques, Catalans, and Galicians who were simply speaking their native languages or practicing their cultures?
00:21:42.000I mean, do you think it was necessary for him in order to save Spain from communism to abolish the democratic republic and make himself dictator for life and keep Spain until his death under this stifling dictatorship where there was what little progress did happen, only benefited the elite and very strict traditional society?
00:22:07.000Well, the economic economic progress was tremendous.
00:22:10.000But it benefited mainly the elite, but I don't understand how you can celebrate free speech while supporting this dictator who banned entire languages.
00:22:19.000And in one instance, and I will show anyone, I'll email anyone if you want to know where I read this, that one of his police officers once executed a taxi driver simply because he gave him directions in Catalan.
00:22:32.000So if this is the model, if Franco-Spain is the new rights model, then I don't want anything to do with that.
00:22:38.000Well, have I said that's the model for America?
00:22:40.000Well, no, but some people have, although your position is that...
00:22:49.000But your position is that he saved Spain from communism, but it was necessary for him to do all those horrible Spain from communism.
00:22:58.000There was a civil war, Spanish Civil War, and I noticed you mentioning certain things that happened on one side of that war, but you haven't mentioned anything about what the communists were doing in the first place that led to the Civil War kicking off.
00:23:11.000Well, while there were communists and anarchists on the Republican side, it was mostly, if you look at the results of the 1936 congressional election, it was mostly liberals and socialists and moderate socialists who wanted a democratic republic.
00:23:27.000And I just don't, you know, you can, and even if, even though people on the Republican side did do horrible things, I don't see how that justifies all of the horrible things Franco did in trying to eliminate these states like the Bass Country.
00:23:39.000Things like things like smashing churches, things like murdering priests, things like raping nuns on the altars, and then taking their dead bodies and parading them in the town squares.
00:23:52.000And all of these absolute atrocities which were going on throughout Spain.
00:23:56.000Well, I think you didn't seem to mention.
00:23:58.000Well, I agree that all that is wrong, but I don't understand how any of that can justify leveling Guernica or all the other things that I mentioned.
00:24:46.000Well, Spain has a totally different history than the United States.
00:24:49.000So their history in terms of maintaining their culture, their heritage, maintaining their territorial integrity, it's totally different from our culture.
00:24:58.000So they have a culture, for example, that had to deal with the occupation of the Muslims, the occupation of the Moors, and who they fought against for almost 1,700 years, to be able to expel and then maintain their territorial and cultural identity.
00:25:14.000And so in that context, I'm sure that's what they were operating under.
00:25:17.000But the United States of America has a totally different system than Spain.
00:25:24.000We don't, hopefully, are not going to be speaking Spanish as our national language anytime soon.
00:25:28.000But of course, you see the way things are going, that might happen, or at least as a quasi-secondary language.
00:25:34.000And so I wouldn't necessarily say that the things done within the Spanish context are things that we should do here in the American context, just because they're two totally different situations.
00:27:14.000You know, with the events of Charlie Kirk and sort of the organization of Turning Point and its sort of place in America, I mean, I think it's good that you guys are out here debating and putting on a platform for free speech.
00:27:55.000I mean, I'm a Turning Point contributor, but Blake is saying, other of us are Turning Point officials, so if you're asking us about specific decisions, we may not have as much detail, but please, please fire away.
00:28:33.000This is from before her meeting Charlie.
00:28:36.000And after Charlie's unfortunate demise, something else was scrubbed off of Turning Point's internet, which was Paul Vallelli, who is a co-author of Mind War with the pedophile Satanist General Michael Aquino.
00:28:58.000He was positioned as chair of the board, and that was since removed from Turning Point's website.
00:29:23.000I was just saying it was removed after Charlie's unfortunate demise.
00:29:28.000So you're saying he was on the site, or is there a video about it?
00:29:34.000It was on the site, and then it was removed from the TPS.
00:29:37.000So I was just wondering: do these connections warrant deeper investigation given the circumstances of Charlie's actual violent murder and death?
00:29:48.000And then he was sort of speaking out against the current Iran war before.
00:29:54.000He was against it theoretically, right?
00:30:00.000Are you suggesting that if Erica Kirk was in Erica Franzve was in a CIA-related video, that's evidence that she was involved in a plot to have Charlie murdered?
00:30:21.000So, I mean, to my understanding of narrative control, you know, the pedophile ring scandal of the Epstein files, you know, you're just talking about what the communists were doing, you know, raping people on church stages and stuff like that, where there's a mind war pedophile Satanist general, Michael Aquino, who is, you know, writing, you know, significant psychological operations books that are influencing us today here and now.
00:30:51.000So the question is, if he was vocally opposed to this war, and before the easy label of conspiracy gets thrown out, like, just Google the things right now, because I'm not going to entertain being called a conspiracy theorist.
00:31:12.000Yeah, so like my question is, is it smart to put these people front and center for turning point right after you know a violent assassination?
00:31:21.000Now saying that you know CIA is pro war, right?
00:31:27.000This is a group that has a following of young Republicans and conservatives being on campus doing debates.
00:31:35.000So there's obviously a vested interest in large groups and accounts and narrative control at the CIA.
00:31:42.000So if Erica Kirk is actually someone who was working for the CIA, there's no former CIA people.
00:31:49.000Everybody's still working for the agency.
00:31:51.000The question is, you know, should they be front and center at turning point, in your opinion?
00:31:57.000Well, I'll start with this, by the way.
00:32:27.000No, there hasn't been, and I did see Erica, you know, earlier today, and she just said, good luck, you know, basically.
00:32:33.000So, I mean, there isn't really a setup.
00:32:37.000We talk about narrative formation that nobody really, so if I was doing narrative formation, and I am a prior intelligence officer, that, you know, I would make sure, I would make sure that I would say to my subjects, hey, you know, make sure you plug this thing, this thing, this thing, make sure you say this about Iran, make sure you say this about the war, make sure you say this about the president, et cetera.
00:32:55.000If I were running that kind of operation, it's just, we just never done that.
00:32:59.000They said, here's the event, here you go, here's the room, here's the mics, have at it.
00:33:04.000So if you're running a SIOP like that, you want to make sure that you're hitting those repetition points over and over and over.
00:33:09.000Yet, that's just not something that was done.
00:33:12.000Look, I know there's different pieces of media that Erica did when she was working as, she was in media and she was doing different contract work for people.
00:33:22.000People do different, you know, people take different contracts when you're in that world.
00:33:26.000And I think that she did obviously different things.
00:33:30.000I know a lot of people that have tried to be actresses and stars and different things.
00:33:38.000I want to get to the crux of it, which is, but that's not, and yeah, to get to the crux of it, that, just because you do a contract job for somebody at one point, you should look up IMDB on anybody.
00:33:49.000But even further, I am actually in a Jackie Chan even under the DB.
00:33:52.000You asked why, if it was wise to put Erica front and center at the organization.
00:33:58.000The reason Erica is front and center at turning point is because when Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, Charlie, we're worried something will happen to you.
00:34:06.000People always speculated that something could happen to Charlie.
00:34:08.000And when he was asked, first of all, he was totally fearless.
00:34:12.000He would just say, like, oh, it'll be fine.
00:34:40.000I saw how much that relationship, I didn't know Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in the wake of it, I saw how much everything he'd done meant to her and how completely committed she was to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life, that she knew the life I thought I was going to live has changed very abruptly, but I am fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know it's what I have to do for my husband and for his legacy.
00:35:07.000That is the reason she was put front and center.
00:35:11.000She's become the CEO of the organization because that is what Charlie wanted, and it's because I saw it with all the people who were senior at Turning Point.
00:35:19.000There wasn't even a question that that is what would happen.
00:35:23.000There was no one pressuring it to happen.
00:35:25.000This is what everyone at Turning Point wanted to happen.
00:35:28.000But the mind war Paul Valelli connection to U.S. Army psychological operations is more to the point with the CIA and Erica Kirk being hired by the CIA before meeting Charlie in a media, you know, a media outfit of his own founding, right?
00:35:50.000Where, you know, it's a war of the words out there, so to speak.
00:35:55.000Are there words that you believe she's used that are completely different from what Charlie would advocate?
00:36:08.000For example, we've continued the Charlie Kirk show, and we've talked about the war, and I don't think we've taken a pro-war attitude on our program.
00:36:15.000And I don't think we've ever faced any pressure on that front, whether from Erica, from Turning Point, or from the government.
00:36:22.000And I think, in truth, it's been very upset.
00:36:27.000Yeah, like it's been very, I'll be frank, it's been very upsetting for me to run into insinuations and allegations like this because, Jack, if you and I want to have to borrow this to get into it, like I didn't make any allegations against you.
00:36:40.000Well, I'm not saying you did, but a lot of people have used the things you mentioned to do it.
00:36:46.000And I've seen people incredibly close to Charlie that he cared about and who I knew cared a lot about Charlie face a lot of bizarre harassment in these months since then.
00:36:56.000In a period where they're trying to build on what Charlie did, they've been trying to grieve themselves.
00:37:01.000And they've had to deal with people nitpicking how they behaved after someone was shot to death right in front of them.
00:37:07.000They've been nitpicking what these, yes, publicly, while they were there, in front of them.
00:37:14.000I was 10 feet away from it when it happened.
00:37:16.000And I've been blessed in that I haven't been harassed nearly as many as some of the people I've known.
00:37:22.000But I find it detestable what some people have done because, Jack, you and I can attest, because we've looked at it as closely as anyone, that we are very confident that they have the right person in this case.
00:37:48.000The one thing that I can't get by, not even to get into all the, which I could go through the forensic evidence, but the, and the, you know, obviously the physical evidence.
00:37:58.000But the fact of the matter, as a father, right, the fact that it was his own parents, his own mom and dad, that turned in Tyler Robinson, and you didn't ask about Tyler, but I'm going to talk about it anyway.
00:38:12.000That as a dad, you know, to pick up the phone in a situation like that and to call someone in law enforcement that, you know, had been a friend of yours and say, hey, I think that's my son that did that horrible thing.
00:38:30.000In a situation where you've got the president of the United States calling for the death penalty, you obviously see the situation.
00:39:25.000And I just, I've never talked to them directly, but if I did, I would just say, praying for you guys, praying for you as much as I hope anyone else is, because I can't even imagine what you're going through.
00:40:30.000I support them to the extent they've delivered on what they promised, which is, you know, whether the DH Secretary is Christy Noam or Mark Wayne Mullen now, as long as they are keeping the border secured, which they did, as long as they are deporting illegal migrants, if they're clamping down on all the other ways people have illegally come in this country and kept it secure, I like it.
00:40:51.000Pete Hegseth, unconventional Secretary of War PIC, to say the least, but if he is putting merit first in the military instead of gender equity and all the other types of equity that they've prioritized in the military under the Biden years, then he has my support.
00:41:08.000When the FBI is putting investigating actual terrorists first, actual criminals, actual evildoers, instead of sending agents into Latin masses to see if they're doing anything untoward when they say a potter noster, I'm in support of that.
00:41:23.000And I think Marko Ruby has been an excellent Secretary of State.
00:41:27.000I know several people in the administration, and I've been very impressed with what they've been able to do.
00:41:32.000And so I feel like there's more to your question.
00:41:35.000Yeah, so last pause-specific people here where obviously you have Kash Patel and Pam Bondi that were tasked with UNRID Acting and releasing the Epstein files.
00:41:44.000We have zero perpetrators that have been arrested.
00:41:46.000Would you feel like that's a cover-up when one of the files names that they had seven perpetrators that they knew assisted?
00:41:54.000I think, I mean, look, this is something I've said publicly a number of times that I think that the way that that was handled was, I think it was mishandled.
00:42:03.000And the whole thing they did with, you know, handing me this binder and saying, oh, here's the Epstein files.
00:42:10.000And it was all just stuff that had already been public.
00:42:13.000And then, you know, we don't find out until we get a chance to go through it later on that if they had just come out initially and said, these are the files, we can get everything out, we can put it all out right now, then I think they would be in a much better position than they have been now.
00:42:31.000And in fact, I'm going to be interviewing the working on it.
00:42:35.000I'm not going to say it just yet, but working on interviewing a senior official at DOJ specifically about this, hopefully, fingers crossed later this week.
00:42:43.000And I'm going to ask him those same questions because it's something where, look, when I talk to, when we go together, I was just at Liberty University.
00:42:50.000It's when I talk to young voters or young students, one of the number one questions I get isn't Iran, it's not foreign wars, it's Jeffrey Epstein, where are the arrests?
00:43:00.000And that's something that we called for at the last turning point event that we ended up holding with Charlie, which was the Student Action Summit down in Tampa, right?
00:43:08.000And I remember you probably remember behind the scenes, too, just that was all blowing up.
00:43:12.000And Charlie, he was a very, one of his best traits is he was stopped talking to the grassroots, and he would take an honest read of the grassroots all the way to the White House to the president.
00:43:23.000And yeah, some of them got very angry because he was saying people are very upset about this.
00:43:30.000He says, too bad they're still really upset at you guys.
00:43:33.000We've, at this point, right, having gone through everything that we went through to get the files, at least we do have the files now.
00:43:40.000Personally, like I said, I wish they had come out day one, week one, put it all out, or if you have to go through it and put it out week two, whatever it is.
00:43:47.000It should have been, should have been sooner.
00:43:49.000Obviously, you can't change the past on that.
00:44:02.000They had to drop their Lord Mandelson had to get dropped out of their cabinet.
00:44:11.000I don't know if he's been arrested, but it was a part of this insider trading thing.
00:44:14.000And there's been a number of instances where we've seen again and again and again that it seemed like Jeffrey Epstein had this influence over his rich friends slash clients, some might say, that certainly, to my mind, requires criminal scrutiny.
00:44:32.000So it seems like we're broadly in agreement, we want them prosecuted, but we do disagree a bit on what's sufficient disclosure.
00:44:38.000I would say, I would first of all point out that we have more Epstein transparency now by about two orders of magnitude maybe than we have.
00:44:48.000We're not saying sufficient disclosure.
00:44:50.000And even then, there's been no accountability.
00:44:52.000Like, think about the fact that Bill Gates, one of the 10 richest people in the world, is profoundly humiliated right now.
00:44:58.000He's basically socially ruined by everything that's come out.
00:45:01.000The richest man in the world, Elon Musk, he got embarrassed by what came out of the files because of the exchanges he was having with Epstein's team.
00:45:08.000I believe the general counsel of Goldman Sachs, I think, got forced out of his job.
00:45:14.000What I would say, and what the president warned about, what the president warned about when this was all ramping up last summer is if you just release everything in a blanket way, there are going to be people who are going to be assumed guilty of crimes who aren't guilty of anything.
00:45:28.000And I think that's been borne out because there is an element where people have just demanded anyone whose name has appeared in this should be arrested.
00:45:36.000I firmly believe, yeah, if you can name a specific person who abused a specific other person or engaged in truly illegal behavior that's been alleged, they should be prosecuted.
00:45:48.000But I would always encourage people to look closely at what is actually proven in anything that's happened.
00:45:54.000Because I don't follow this as aggressively as some people, but I've seen it happen over and over where, oh, a photo comes out, and just because one of the faces is blurred out, they'll say, oh, this is this person with their victim, with no evidence that this person was a minor, was trafficked, that there was any sexual relationship of any kind.
00:46:21.000And I think as much as it's embarrassing to the world's elites that they were all just friends with this guy who we can all agree is very gross, we do have to be careful before we jump from that to mass arrests for everybody.
00:46:42.000When Bill Clinton started looking at some of those pictures, you guys saw this, right?
00:46:45.000When he was looking at those pictures, you could see old Bill had that wistful look in his eye where he's like, he's like, oh, yeah, that was her.
00:47:08.000No, no, it's something where, look, at the end of the day, I think we need to understand that we talk about these questions of policy in our country.
00:47:18.000I'll take it to a higher level, I guess.
00:47:20.000We talk about these questions of war, like the gentleman was just asking, of war, of diplomacy, of negotiations.
00:47:28.000And then we find out that something like Epstein was going on.
00:47:31.000And we tell people that, oh, well, just trust us.
00:47:35.000And I think there's serious questions that arise then that how can we trust what any decision maker is making if they were a part of these activities?
00:47:45.000And I'm talking about the nefarious and criminal activity side, that they weren't trying to conduct some action or conduct some foreign policy maneuver because they were worried about their involvement in Epstein's operations coming out.
00:48:01.000And I think these are serious questions when you have people like the ones that we've seen, the ones that we've talked about, the elites that were involved in there.
00:48:08.000What question does this leverage or what influence does this leverage, blackmail, if you want to call it that, have in our society?
00:48:16.000When, look, Jeffrey Epstein had all this leverage over Bill Gates, and then suddenly Bill Gates has kind of handed the reins to our society during COVID.
00:48:26.000I don't know, but it's certainly something that as a citizen of a free republic, we should all be asking.
00:48:32.000Well, I completely agree with the fact that I do believe Clinton is, well, both Clintons are likely part of that whole ring.
00:48:41.000I also would agree Bill Gates, but someone you didn't mention that I think is implicated as much or more would be president Donald Trump with multiple credible allegations according to FBI documents where they claimed they seemed to be credible and across many interviews seemed to have the same story, tended to not have any holes in it.
00:49:14.000Russia claims to have had access to the files and have blackmailed on Trump.
00:49:18.000So do you feel like those people could be blackmailing our president, in which case putting us in danger?
00:49:23.000Well, I mean, you look at those cases.
00:49:25.000In a number of those cases, Blake, you might remember the exact one better than me, but they were looked into.
00:49:29.000A lot of those were actually found to have a lot of holes in them.
00:49:33.000A lot of them didn't actually hold up under scrutiny.
00:49:36.000People were even making phone calls into the FBI saying, oh, Donald Trump did this to me years ago after Epstein had already become public.
00:49:45.000So just because somebody calls in and makes a complaint to the FBI, that still doesn't mean it's credible.
00:49:50.000And as a guy who worked in the intelligence community, I'll just real quick, we would get reports all the time that somebody walks in and says, oh, something happened.
00:50:01.000And this is one of the issues when you're looking at raw information like this is that it's not, it hasn't been assessed.
00:50:07.000Its credibility hasn't actually been weighed and measured.
00:50:10.000That's something I am going to be asking if I get the opportunity to a senior DOJ official to ask about those sorts of things.
00:50:16.000But in every instance with Donald Trump, it has always fallen apart.
00:50:21.000And we've seen a pattern of this for years with Donald Trump, that there's an allegation against him and people look into it and it just doesn't hold scrutiny.
00:50:29.000I fall back to the same default that Charlie often did, which is just to point out that throughout, as you said, we had four years of Biden.
00:50:38.000They basically rewrote New York state law specifically so that he could be sued by, what's her name?
00:51:33.000And we have basically a decade of non-stop effort to find something to put Donald Trump in prison.
00:51:40.000And then you're telling me that we actually had secret evidence from the Epstein files, which were already well known and famous at this time, for four years of President Biden, and they never bothered to indict him on that.
00:51:54.000I would assume that they didn't release them and indict him on that because they're part of it too.
00:51:58.000So I think all of them are part of it.
00:52:00.000If they release about one person, now they implicate everyone else, and now it's.
00:52:04.000I would encourage you to look at, for example, there's a bunch of roads and parks that are going to be renamed in Phoenix in the next few days because they were named after Cesar Chavez.
00:52:13.000The left doesn't have a problem throwing out their own people to get someone that they sufficiently hate.
00:52:22.000You guys might not remember, but about a decade ago, Al Franken, he was a senator, they threw him out as part of Me Too.
00:52:28.000They are totally willing to dump their own lawmakers, their own fundraisers, their own people.
00:52:33.000Harvey Weinstein, a big Democrat fundraiser, they threw him out.
00:52:36.000They don't have a problem taking out their own people, and they still never took out Donald Trump with Epstein.
00:52:42.000I think that's the best evidence that there really is not a lot there, personally.
00:52:48.000But I want us to make sure we get to some more questions.
00:52:58.000That actually is, to me, I think that is still one of the strongest arguments that why not just release it yourselves when you could have.
00:53:05.000Why go to all the Russia gate and dossiers and all this?
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00:54:23.000I mean, unless you're going to, are you going to ask me something weird?
00:54:25.000I would say, I would say I'm, Blake and I have gotten into this before.
00:54:29.000I don't know where you're going, but Blake and I have gotten into this before, and we have discovered that he is much more of an absolutist than I am on it.
00:54:35.000Well, how do you feel about the President of the United States tweeting out that he's celebrating the death of a U.S. citizen, Robert Mueller, just the other day?
00:54:47.000I think what I will say is when we had Charlie's memorial right here, one of the best moments of it was it took a lot of bravery.
00:54:57.000Erica went up there and she sat on stage in front of 70,000 people in that building and who knows how many millions watching around the world.
00:55:06.000And she says, that man who killed my husband, I forgive him.
00:55:10.000And then a few minutes later, Donald Trump went up there and he said, yeah, you know, I don't forgive my enemies.
00:55:28.000I think it is, I would say Donald Trump, anyone would admit, even his supporters will admit he has traits they like and traits they care for less.
00:55:38.000And the president's tendency to dump on people, you know, after they've deceased is not one I personally care for.
00:55:48.000So you would be fine with people saying, oh, I'm glad that Hitler is dead.
00:55:53.000I'm glad that we are currently bombing Iran and killing the Ayatollah.
00:55:58.000Or when Charlie Kirk died, people were celebrating.
00:56:01.000I mean, people absolutely had the legal right to celebrate it.
00:56:04.000I found it incredibly loathsome, not just because he was a good man and a father, but also especially the heinous way in which he was killed.
00:56:12.000To celebrate it when someone is murdered, not just murdered, but murdered while at a table like this one, holding a free speech event specifically because of his speech.
00:56:23.000I think it was exceptionally evil that people would do that, but I do think they have the legal right to do it.
00:56:31.000I don't think you should go to prison for doing it.
00:57:46.000Bring in robotics, bring in, you know, get Elon Musk on that, or whoever the next robotics guy is.
00:57:52.000I mean, you look at some of the auto pickers and auto, you know, autonomous robotics that we have now.
00:57:59.000I mean, my gosh, if we have AI drones that can find people on the other side of the planet, I'm pretty sure we can find something that can find an apple or an orange.
00:58:08.000So we've let ourselves get addicted to low-cost foreign labor.
00:58:12.000And like other addictions, there is a short-term high you get from it.
00:58:16.000It saves you money, lets you make more money in the short term, but the damage is long-term financially, and it's just long-term on the country.
00:58:25.000So yeah, a farmer might be able to run their business better, but that's still not worth it if it's degrading America's respect for the rule of law, if it's degrading our national cohesion because we don't all speak the same language, if we're offloading the trouble of maybe they'd be on welfare or they're expensive to educate or they use a lot of health care.
00:58:46.000All of those things are getting offloaded onto the public system, but we're letting all of this happen because we've gotten addicted to lower cost labor.
00:58:54.000Economically, I think we have to treat it as an addiction, and sometimes you basically have to go cold turkey.
00:59:00.000And I'd be the first to admit there will be economic difficulties that come from this, but the difficulties would be less if we had taken action longer ago in the past, and the difficulties will be even greater if we wait too long to do something about it now.
00:59:15.000Yeah, I was just going to add economically, you have a similar dynamic to the invention of the cotton gin in pre-Civil War, that in pre-Civil War South, that the cotton gin had already been invented, and yet you didn't see the widespread adoption of it because of the system of slavery.
00:59:33.000And even though the cotton gin ended up becoming far more efficient and obviously cheaper to run than having wide fields of workers doing this for you, that because that was the system in place, obviously, there was a war over it, et cetera.
00:59:51.000But in fact, there was a system similar to automation technology that had come out that could have actually filled that gap, but for people wanting to do it.
00:59:59.000A visual I think of a lot is that in China, you can now find guys who they are working in an office building and they have a robot-driven tractor and they're doing it all in this, you know, their air-conditioned offices.
01:00:16.000And meanwhile, in the U.S., you can find, there are some farms where their tractors don't even have a cabin on the top.
01:00:23.000You're up there in the sun all day, having it beat down on you.
01:00:27.000You don't even have a roof over your head.
01:00:29.000And when I see that image, all I can think is those have to just be illegal immigrant or otherwise low-paid migrant farm workers where it's just, there's no value add to making their lives any better.
01:00:41.000This would be automation as the solution.
01:00:43.000This would be something where I would be totally okay.
01:00:45.000I know I'm supposed to be like Mr. Conservative or whatever, but I'd be totally okay with the government coming in and providing subsidies to these farms to help them get over, because obviously there's going to be significant capital input during this period.
01:01:00.000I'd be totally fine with, I mean, farmers get subsidies already, so it's not like it would be a huge change, but having an additional implement for them to encourage automation and so that they're not having to spend tons and tons of money to be able to do that.
01:01:41.000There could be, I would support social programs for that.
01:01:44.000Right now, we're subsidizing health care for these illegal immigrants.
01:01:48.000We're subsidizing the education for these illegal immigrants.
01:01:51.000A lot of them, their children are eligible for welfare, and so effectively they're on welfare.
01:01:56.000Imagine if all the money that's going to that was instead put into a giant bundle and we took it to a Silicon Valley firm and said, figure out how this tractor can run itself.
01:02:05.000And I don't know anything about the welfare side and all of that.
01:02:39.000No, I completely agree with you that farmers absolutely do need to be supportive because if you have a country that can't feed itself, then guess what?
01:02:46.000Let's, you know, we were just talking about war and things like that.
01:02:49.000That actually is a national security issue, among other things.
01:02:52.000Because if that system breaks down, guess what?
01:03:00.000And it's something where, you know, I think that the big factory farming is something that has also, in addition, become an issue with small farmers as well, because it's pushing them out in many cases.
01:03:14.000And it leads to outcomes that our good friends in the Maham movement would tell us are very unhealthy as well for Americans.
01:03:21.000So I feel like there's a lot of room for discussion on this issue.
01:03:26.000And I would be totally open to helping out.
01:04:01.000It just, you know, neither of my parents were particularly political.
01:04:04.000They were both registered Democrats at one point.
01:04:07.000And, you know, I could get into a longer story about it, but my town, our hometown, my family's hometown, got kind of overrun by crime as I was growing up.
01:04:19.000And so I sort of lived through the loss of a close-knit community where the kids that I grew up with were the sons of the guys that my dad grew up with.
01:04:32.000And I lived in the same house that my father grew up in and his father had been in.
01:04:36.000And we'd lost all of that because of crime, because of Section 8.
01:04:40.000And by the way, it was also turned into a sanctuary city for illegals.
01:04:58.000To add a little bit, just because it might be relevant, so I guess a reason I wouldn't just rebel against my parents the way some people do.
01:05:06.000I think it mattered a lot that my parents could explain what they believed to some extent.
01:05:11.000I do remember my dad explaining to me that Democrats take money from the people who earn it and give it to the people who don't.
01:05:20.000But then also that they really, you could see every day that this, you know, for example, we were religious and went to church.
01:05:26.000I think a lot of people grow up in houses where, you know, maybe their parents will tell them you can't do that.
01:05:31.000Or their parents will say they're Christian, but they've never seen their parents go to church, for example.
01:05:36.000That it mattered to my parents that we go every week, that you live your life accordingly.
01:05:42.000And I think seeing your parents be consistent about the values they hold and then be pillars of their community and all of that, which my parents are, that's what keeps, that's certainly what kept me from feeling any big temptation to just overthrow that or throw it out because I could see my parents were great people.
01:06:01.000And so let that be a lesson to all of us.
01:06:27.000I disagree with this guy constantly, so I'm right there with you all the time.
01:06:31.000I wanted to hear about your guys' opinion on like, I guess, the broadening of America's involvement in regime change and whether or not you think that it's a good or a bad idea from Venezuela to Iran and the possible invasion of Carg Island and the current blockade of oil in Cuba.
01:06:54.000Well, I'd love if I could just real quickly mention on the Venezuela question, because on this, if people don't know, Venezuela recently had President Trump, we all woke up one day and found that President Trump had arrested the leader of Venezuela, as you do, and that he had been extradited to the United States.
01:07:45.000And Stephen said, no, no, we're not going to change any of that.
01:07:48.000We are arresting one guy and we're going to leave it out.
01:07:51.000And I thought that was an interesting in-between model.
01:07:55.000Because I think what you're getting at is this question, are we going to have these regime change wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, like we saw in the past, which I think many people rightly view as disastrous, as wasteful, not just in terms of time and money, but also in terms of American lives and the lives of the locals, which arguably were not bettered in any regard to this.
01:08:18.000I found it an interesting, too early to tell, I suppose, because it just happened in terms of Venezuela.
01:08:25.000I'm not going to dodge the other questions.
01:08:27.000I just wanted to say that I thought that was an interesting in-between.
01:08:30.000Now, whether or not there will be other in-betweens, Cuba, you mentioned, although it does look like something very, you know, very soon will happen in Cuba.
01:08:39.000And then Iran is kind of the bigger question.
01:08:41.000Do you want to take the Iran start on that?
01:08:42.000Well, I mean, Iran, I think you pointed out a good point, which is there's that split that President Trump has embraced, that there's a difference between regime change and nation building, because nation building is what got us.
01:08:57.000Nation building is what got us in all these disastrous conflicts that were very long.
01:09:03.000They had open-ended, non-existent victory conditions.
01:09:06.000Oh, you know, we'll stay in Afghanistan until we win.
01:09:11.000And because it required a lot of Americans there, we lost thousands of American lives.
01:09:16.000And the president has charted out a different path where he says, I don't actually care about the nation building part of it.
01:09:24.000I care about having friendlier governments that are more accommodating to us instead of these hostile ones that are sending drugs or constantly flaring up crises in their region.
01:09:35.000Now, on the specific Iran thing, I think we warned, we've been very cautious about that one, that there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical of escalating our involvement in Iran.
01:09:53.000What I would say about the president and this particular decision he made is we've been around the block a few times with President Trump, specifically on Iran.
01:10:01.000We had a war scare in 2019 when they, I think they shot down one of our robots.
01:10:06.000And then in 2020, after Soleimani, and then last summer with the Midnight Hammer bombing, and every single time people thought, oh man, Donald Trump is escalating.
01:10:18.000And every single time he pulled back and nothing came of it.
01:10:22.000And the fact that he chose differently this time, I think we should entertain the possibility that he had a very good reason for doing that.
01:10:31.000And we'll know more when it's all said and done.
01:10:47.000I just want to touch on Venezuela for a second.
01:10:50.000I did also find it very interesting how we didn't really change any regime in Iran and we just kind of changed it from a Venezuela, yeah.
01:10:57.000We just changed it from a Chinese dictatorship, a Chinese-backed dictatorship to like an American-backed one because we just brought in the VP, I think, Deli forgot her name.
01:11:14.000And do you think, because I know people have been talking about it, the Department of War has been, the question's been raised about a troop invasion of Karg Island on the Strait of Hormuz.
01:11:28.000Would that be a step too far in terms of American foreign policy?
01:11:33.000Well, I mean, step too far is, you know, it depends on whether you mean in terms of political opinion, depends on whether or not you mean in terms of military operation.
01:11:43.000In terms of military operation, could the United States do it?
01:12:07.000I've actually outlined, and I've said this a number of times, Fox News and other places that I've been, that you actually wouldn't necessarily, if your goal is to neutralize Karg Island and control Karg Island in terms of bottle up the oil flow out of there, then there are numerous ways to do that that don't involve boats on the ground.
01:12:26.000Obviously, cyber warfare is something the United States has been perfecting, was used in Venezuela.
01:12:31.000I mean, anything that's got a computer in it, you turn it off, and then immediately, guess what?
01:12:35.000If those ships can't load and unload, guess you've just stopped the oil flow without a single boot on the ground.
01:12:39.000Also, as a Navy guy, I have to say that also, if you take out the piers, then, again, the ships don't have the ability to load and unload, but the larger oil infrastructure is still intact and could be fixed at a later date.
01:12:55.000So there are numerous options available.
01:12:57.000And when it comes to this, I think we'll have to see whether or not the president is using this just to, he's obviously deploying troops.
01:13:19.000To Blake's point, we've seen the president push and push and push to the brink and then get to a desired end state and pull back.
01:13:27.000And part of me thinks that we're probably going to see something like that again.
01:13:32.000And look, we saw the president this morning talking about partial ceasefire and talking about actual conversations that are going on, possibly indirectly with Iranian leadership.
01:13:43.000And Iran says, well, there are no talks.
01:13:44.000And it's like, well, no, because he's talking to the Egyptians and then the Egyptians are caught, you know, that kind of thing is going on.
01:13:50.000And so I broadly would be very supportive of a deal in this, really.
01:13:55.000All right, let's see if we can get at least two more, I think.
01:14:31.000Anyways, like I said, I wasn't really planning on asking anything.
01:14:37.000I just came here to gain some perspective.
01:14:40.000But something that you said, Jack, intrigued me when you were asked when you were discussing the future of agricultural labor and you're talking about things like AI-based alternatives and automated systems.
01:14:53.000I am a graduate student in sustainability.
01:14:56.000I graduated with my bachelor's of science and sustainability as well.
01:15:01.000So I'm in a lot of climate-related spaces, I suppose.
01:15:06.000And even though I'm still only a student, I've been able to learn from some really incredible researchers and scientists and pioneers in all kinds of ecological related fields.
01:15:17.000So this is more of like a general question, like you can answer in whatever way makes sense to you.
01:15:23.000But I was wondering what your general take on climate change is and how you think the current administration is handling it.
01:15:31.000And do you believe that the techno-optimism perspective is a concrete enough solution to depend on in the future, even if we don't really know what that will look like even 10 years from now, much less 50?
01:16:21.000Yeah, so it was Hyman Rickover, incredible American officer who understood the nuclear Navy and the power of it because realizing that with nuclear power on the ships and then the subs eventually, that you could essentially have a submarine that would stay or a ship that could stay on station indefinitely.
01:16:41.000And your only limit on that is actually the sailors.
01:16:44.000So food, you know, oxygen, et cetera, which of course with AI is going to be the next, you know, the next bridge that we cross.
01:16:53.000So we're going to get to the point, I think we're probably already at the point where I know they've said the last fighter pilot has already been born.
01:17:00.000The last submariner has probably already been born.
01:17:07.000And so we have such an experience with nuclear in the Navy and a very safe experience, by the way, that I really do think that it's time to start getting Gen 4 nuclear power back into the mainland.
01:17:21.000And this is something where obviously there's going to be people who disagree on renewables and disagree on certain things.
01:17:29.000One of the questions, of course, is do you get enough power from renewables?
01:17:33.000And just right now, we're not quite there yet in terms of the power export that we're able to access from there.
01:17:40.000That's why we're seeing the Iran war right now, right?
01:17:45.000That's why gas prices are the way they are.
01:17:47.000And I've said for a long time that if we just, we made, I mean, think of it, right?
01:17:52.000We found these magical rocks that give us free energy forever.
01:17:58.000And then we had some incidents while we were learning to use the magic rocks.
01:18:02.000And so we buried them and stopped using them.
01:18:04.000And I just think that's kind of wrong.
01:18:06.000And so I think that techno-optimism absolutely is something that I'm 100% behind.
01:18:12.000I think that it's something where you can marry these concerns about climate change with the future and also with people who would just want to see and make sure that we maintain enough energy to not only maintain our standard of living.
01:18:27.000And Blake, you were talking about this on the podcast the other day, but also expand and progress our standard of living.
01:18:32.000I would just say we've never degrowthed our way out of any big problem.
01:18:37.000And if you look at where the biggest innovations are coming, which would include anything that would resolve global warming or any environmental problem, it's actually coming from the countries that have the most energy production because those are the most innovative and productive.
01:18:50.000So stuff comes out of the United States, it comes out of China because we're the nations that generate the most power, generate the most innovation.
01:18:58.000And we should care about the environment.
01:19:01.000As Christians, we believe in stewardship, but we are not going to achieve that by taking this anti-civilizational posture that I think a lot of people do.
01:19:10.000I think a lot of hostility towards hostility towards electricity, hostility towards industry, ultimately just becomes hostility towards prosperity itself.
01:19:32.000But I think also just to add, one of the reasons that Greenland comes up so much is because you're starting to see, and we're seeing the reduction in northern sea ice.
01:19:43.000And the fact that those waterways are now opening up across the North Pole is going to be not only going to lead to the economics of the future, it's going to lead to wars of the future.
01:19:54.000It's why Russia is building megaports on their northern tier.
01:19:58.000And it's clearly something that's driving, you know, people say, why is President Trump talking about Greenland?
01:21:49.000It's not the moonshot, but it's getting there.
01:21:52.000I'm in favor of a country that builds stuff.
01:21:55.000And I think we should make it as easy as possible for, you don't need the government to do it, for private actors to build things in America.
01:22:02.000I think we should see it as a huge failure every time.
01:22:06.000It should be nationally humiliating that that bridge in Baltimore got knocked over by a boat, I think, two or three years ago.
01:22:31.000It should be the simplest thing in the world to build enough houses, enough apartments, enough condos, enough take-your-pick to have an affordable option for everyone in this country.
01:22:41.000And it is purely a regulatory failure, in my opinion, that we have brought up.
01:22:46.000You know what else would help with housing?
01:23:29.000Okay, so I wanted to speak a little bit on the killing of Sheridan Gorman, an 18-year-old from Yorktown and a freshman at Loyola, Chicago.
01:23:38.000Why does it feel like cases like this don't get national attention or public acknowledgement from major political figures, especially those with ties to the community, someone like AOC, who is from Sheridan's hometown and high school?
01:23:51.000And also, should there be more pressure on leaders like AOC to address this?
01:23:57.000I think the reason, we've gotten better about highlighting them.
01:24:00.000The Trump administration, to its credit, has highlighted incidents like that.
01:24:05.000They had a case similar to hers with Irina Zarutska.
01:24:08.000her family members at the State of the Union.
01:24:10.000We should highlight these because they're not, there are, there will be crimes in any country.
01:24:16.000There will be murder victims in any country.
01:24:17.000But there is a special type of failure that comes from letting a person into your country who then murders someone here because you can control who comes into your country.
01:24:27.000Every single person who comes from America, we should be looking at them and saying, does this person make America better or will this person make America worse?
01:24:36.000And for decades on end, our leadership class, in particular among Democrats, many Republicans are implicated, they abdicated that responsibility.
01:24:46.000They abdicated their responsibility to their citizens to make sure that the people coming into this country made this country better.
01:24:52.000And they did it because it allowed a few people to make a quick buck.
01:24:55.000It allowed some people to feel morally superior like they were good people.
01:25:00.000And frankly, it allowed some people to get power.
01:25:03.000A lot of people do this because they see it as a way to entrench themselves in power by replacing the people already in this country.
01:25:09.000And so absolutely, it should be called out as much as possible because it's exceptionally evil what these people have done.
01:25:16.000That right now, if you go To an airport in this country, you might have to wait an extra hour or two hour or three hours because they are currently refusing to fund DHS and they are refusing to fund DHS because they are angry that ICE might deport someone like the illegal immigrant who killed that woman.
01:25:34.000And this is happening over and over again, and it should be highlighted every single time.
01:25:38.000I'll also mention that this is a failure on the right, and it's a failure of conservative media as well.
01:25:45.000Because so you look at a situation like Alex Predi or the, remember the Maryland man, Rego Garcia, who is actually being deported now, if I remember the latest on this, that when one of those situations happens, you know, and it's and the left has the ability to portray a victim of the right, what you'll see them do is they will go up to every single senator on the right, every Republican, they'll go up to people in conservative media, they'll go up to every single one of them.
01:26:17.000Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, over and over and over.
01:26:20.000And this is a failure, I think, on our side because we don't do that.
01:26:23.000What you just said about AOC and why isn't she bringing this up?
01:26:28.000Conservative media doesn't do this enough.
01:26:30.000We just don't do it enough because it requires having now.
01:26:34.000That's also part of the, there's also an issue of scale there because they just have more reporters and they can hang people off at the, you know, at the Capitol building or other parts of DC, et cetera, just to be able to do that all day.
01:26:47.000And this is this is why one of the things that I have always appreciated Charlie for and turning point for was investing in new media and investing in those enterprises, building up grassroots, building up individuals to be able to, Nick Shirley, right?
01:27:00.000You know, you look at something that people can do on a regular basis that would not have existed in the past.
01:27:20.000Hi, my name is Ocean Rosso, and I'm a Turning Point Chapter President in my community.
01:27:25.000And I've had the honor of speaking to thousands all across the state.
01:27:28.000But one issue I see come up again and again, specifically in my generation, is an apathy when it comes to freedom or the Constitution or even the conservative movement from both liberals and conservatives in this movement.
01:27:41.000So my question is: how do you believe it is best for us to combat this apathy and save freedom?
01:27:47.000Well, I think that's a great question.
01:27:49.000And of course, we got the shirts on, and this was the shirt that Charlie was wearing that day.
01:27:55.000And we sort of talked about it at the, you know, I get it, right?
01:28:03.000The reason that people are saying, well, they say, people are saying the system is messed up, so why should I support that thing on the wall over there?
01:28:14.000Because if that system brought us to this, then what good was the system, right?
01:28:16.000That's usually what you get in response.
01:28:19.000And when you look at the building blocks of that, and you, you know, Blake and I were just talking about it at the outset here, and we talked about what happened to Charlie.
01:28:30.000That's what happens when you move outside that system.
01:28:34.000That when you move outside that system and you stop having dialogue and you stop having conversation and you stop having debate, like we have had tonight, we've had disagreement and Blake and I, I'm sure, will be disagreeing all night as we do in our chat rooms and all the rest of it.
01:28:49.000But the point is, is that this is the system that brought us to these incredible, dizzying heights that we have as a country, as the United States of America.
01:29:01.000And we should probably be very careful about being so cavalier about just chopping it down and getting rid of it because this is the system that brought us to where we are.
01:29:11.000And so, you know, I think that Charlie would say, use that story, use his story as an example to point out the dangers of losing the First Amendment or deciding to step beyond voting and dialogue and peace because of how bad things can get and how things can get very quickly.
01:29:35.000And there were a lot of, and by the way, I would say this, and I said this to a lot of media, and you're not saying this, but I'll say this again, that, you know, there were people who, there were people constantly, if you guys, if you're here on the right, if you're part of Turning Point, they'll say, oh, you conservatives, you're so violent.
01:30:31.000But it's, again, it's part of the system so that we have that push and pull and we don't have one side just dominating over the other.
01:30:39.000And so use real life examples like that of things that are incredibly relevant.
01:30:47.000And, you know, Luigi Maggioni, Thomas Matthew Crooks, we can, you know, you can point to, unfortunately, I'm sure there'll be more incidents of violence that come up because when you walk away from this, that's where you get.
01:33:00.000And I think that's what Turning Point's all about, being happy.
01:33:02.000And believe me, I can dip into anger myself at times.
01:33:06.000And it's something that I've tried to advise for myself too, is that, hey, if you're going to be out there doing a Turning Point event, do it like Charlie would.
01:33:14.000Do it with kindness, do it with grace.
01:33:17.000And I think that's what he always tried to lead with.
01:33:19.000Charlie always, he would tell me, actually, I think this is the first time I ever traveled with him, and he told me, Blake, if I'm feeling sad, I just decide not to be sad, and then I'm not sad.
01:33:37.000He actually, he was a strong believer that you can choose how you react to things.
01:33:43.000You can choose the attitude that you bring into things.
01:33:46.000And that's probably very difficult the first time you do it, maybe the first 20 times you do it.
01:33:51.000But it is a skill that can be built over time.
01:33:55.000And one of the things I had, you know, I worked with Charlie for three years.
01:33:59.000And what I grew to admire the most in him was that sort of discipline that I saw.
01:34:05.000You can meet a million people who are smart and then their lives are a disaster.
01:34:08.000But it was that Charlie was the absolute master of having discipline over his feelings, discipline over his reaction to things, discipline over how he over the things he could control in his life, he exerted maximum power over, and the things that he couldn't control in his life, he left to God.
01:34:55.000Because I knew that Charlie was a huge advocate of being like a strict parent and stuff.
01:35:00.000Because I remember when he was on the George Janko show, he said in that podcast episode that the kids that always went out and did drugs and drinking and stuff were the ones that had not very strict parents and the strict, and the kids that had strict parents, you know, they would always be afraid that their mom or dad would kill them if they ever did something like that.
01:35:21.000But personally, for me, as someone who didn't have particularly strict parents, I never went out and drank or did drugs or anything.
01:35:30.000So I'm kind of like more of an advocate of, I also am an advocate of like, you know, strict parenting causes sneaky kids because I have seen it before.
01:35:40.000So I'm kind of more of an advocate of like, obviously being, you know, you need to be strict at times, but always like, you know, be there for your kids.
01:35:49.000Because my parenting situation was, is they would, my parents would say, you know, if you ever go out to a party and get drunk or something, just know we may not agree with what you're doing, but just know that we are here for you.
01:36:02.000And if you need to talk to us, or like if you're at a party in a bad situation, call us because we would rather us come pick you up and you get home safely than you not come home at all.
01:36:12.000So that's kind of my view on parenting personally.
01:36:14.000I just kind of wanted to know your thoughts on that.
01:36:40.000It's been something I've been thinking about for a while.
01:36:42.000And I don't think there is any one answer that's going to, oh, this is going to set your kid on the straight and narrow.
01:36:49.000I mean, I think there's generally good principles.
01:36:51.000But at the same time, I just think different kids are different.
01:36:55.000And so what you have to do more than anything before you even start applying one of these systems that people sell to their kids is you have to meet your kids, meet them where they are, understand them, try to know them as they are.
01:37:08.000And don't try to mold them into exactly what you want them to be, but also coach them, if that makes sense, and find out what they are specifically talented at or skilled at or what they gravitate towards, and then use that to say, okay, these are the best ways you can use your talent for good, whether it's something that I want or not, and hopefully it's something I want.
01:37:36.000And you can do that, unless of course it's being a libtar.
01:38:44.000I had two questions, but I'll ask them really quick, and you can answer however you want to.
01:38:48.000The first question was regarding, it was mentioned about automation in regards to farming and then AI and other stuff like that.
01:38:55.000I don't want to make assumptions, but to be quick, I'm just going to real quick.
01:39:00.000In general, when it comes to like, I guess, kind of protectionist policies to protect American labor while also being in favor of like free markets, economic growth, and protecting labor, there seems to be like a conflict with automization and AI with the potential for people to lose jobs.
01:39:20.000And then there's also the potential where subsidizing certain industries could probably cause economic dissatisfaction with like taxes.
01:39:28.000How can you deal with both of these situations together without losing any type of like core values or principles about certain economic policies?
01:39:38.000And then the other one was regarding political violence is like a serious problem in the country and so is with like radical beliefs.
01:39:47.000And it seems to be like a problem that comes on a lot more because of like online discourses.
01:39:55.000They don't ever say anything crazy about political violence.
01:39:58.000But then you go online and you see people from either both sides or presenting as being both sides, saying really not good things and promoting certain ideas.
01:40:12.000What would you say the solution for that is?
01:40:13.000And do you think that there needs to be more cooperation and outreach between people with different ideas to have greater conversations and tolerance with each other?
01:40:23.000Well, we have to really blitz this one.
01:40:25.000I mean, the political violence one, obviously, I think discourse like this, public spaces, that has to help.
01:40:31.000You actually, it is deeply humanizing to actually engage in dialogue in real life with people, not just on the internet.
01:40:42.000You get to see, and it's something that, you know, kind of in the wake of Charlie's murder that I thought about more as well, is that when you're online, as you say, that person isn't like Charlie, the human being who has a wife and kids.
01:41:00.000It's, oh, there's that guy, Charlie Kirk.
01:41:09.000But, you know, I wish that Tyler Robinson had just come to the event and stood in line and had a debate with the guy rather than doing what he did because I think that it just, to Blake's point, it humanizes you.
01:41:25.000It lets you see that the other person, we did it earlier today with the UNF America people, where we got out, we had a conversation, we were actually able to provide them some information that they didn't have, and they actually kind of apologized.
01:41:37.000And I think she deleted she would delete something, and she did.
01:41:40.000So, you know, it would have been easy for us and probably would have got more clicks out of it if we just went and started yelling at each other.
01:41:47.000But, you know, what's really better for the country ultimately?
01:41:50.000And I think that's what leads to places where you get more political violence.
01:41:54.000Yeah, that was like one of the problems with one of the things that bothered me with after the murder of Charlotte Kirk.
01:42:01.000I didn't see any people that I personally knew like celebrating or like saying like, oh, we need a civil war to get back at people.
01:42:06.000But then online, you would see people who are very upset on both things saying something that they would never say to people in person, really.
01:43:00.000And prior to that, you see this wave of hyper-violence across Europe.
01:43:04.000And even here in the United States, if you go into the 1800s, we had a radical socialist murderer president, which we don't talk about at all.
01:43:13.000But right there in New York State, in Buffalo, New York, we had huge bombings on Wall Street and Chicago, which we don't really talk about anymore.
01:43:24.000And I think a lot of that was caused by economic upheaval.
01:43:27.000So I'm not saying that the internet discourse doesn't play a role, but we did see political violence during another period when we were going through an economic, what would you call it, a shift, a change, an economic revolution like the Industrial Revolution.
01:43:44.000And so, because it just leads to massive, massive wealth inequalities.
01:43:49.000And I know I've said that around some people, and they're saying, oh, Jack, you can't talk about that.
01:43:54.000And I was like, well, no, I'm not saying that I want communism.
01:43:57.000I'm just saying that economics obviously plays a huge role in all of this.
01:44:02.000When you look at Tyler Robinson, this was a downwardly mobile white male student who looked like he had been decently intelligent, but I guess was a college dropout or was like going to not his original college.
01:44:16.000You see the same thing with Thomas Matthew Crookes, the guy who tried to shoot President Trump.
01:44:19.000Luigi Maggioni was a guy who went to the Ivy League University, was extremely privileged, and yet at the same time, he also goes off the deep end and it's like off in Japan trying to find himself and doing drugs.
01:44:33.000And so when you live through these times of upheaval, it leads to radical decisions and radical acts.
01:44:41.000And so I'm not saying that, you know, oh, we'll just stop that and it'll all go away.
01:44:44.000No, but as a movement, it's something where when Blake is talking about how we need more housing, when we need to actually relieve some of these economic pressures that have been faced, that I actually think that in the wash, it will actually help with the political violence problem.
01:45:04.000With that being said, that's sort of in the long term, in the short term, you have to crack down very, very severely on anyone who's committing or planning political violence.
01:45:16.000One last thing on that is with, it could be argued or like talked about about like certain economic policies and then certain ways that the direction is headed.
01:45:25.000And then with the internet, people have been increasingly detached from in-person connections and not in their communities.
01:45:35.000How would you say that has affected people turning towards politically violent or like radical ideas?
01:45:43.000Well, so what you're happening, what you're seeing happen now is people's identities are changing in the sense that people used to identify with, like, I just told that story about how I identified with my hometown, and that was like a big thing for me growing up, that we all knew each other.
01:45:57.000And then you look at how people live now, they're so atomized where people don't know their neighbors.
01:46:02.000And this is largely due to the internal migrations that have taken place as people are moving from city to city to find better work.
01:46:09.000Over and over, those communities at scale are just smashed up.
01:46:13.000And so you're living in this situation where people are moving to places where they don't have these great communities.
01:46:20.000So that's why, and I was mentioning this before, that sort of in the wake of Charlie's murder, I've been reflecting on his interest and why he spent so much time being on campus and building campus organizations and doing it in person.
01:46:36.000Because I used to think, I used to think I would say, well, why not just use the internet?
01:46:49.000It's because I realized that there's another layer to it where Charlie was building human communities and he was working to build human communities.
01:46:57.000And obviously, like, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that church is a huge example of a human community, which obviously it's a human community that's connecting you with God, which is quite possibly the highest possible human community.
01:47:11.000And so we absolutely need to do better at building those human communities, human communities that connect us with God like churches, but at the same time, just getting to places where we can go out and just be in public with people once again, as opposed to this atomized online, you know, PvP warfare all the time.
01:47:30.000Yeah, as a cybersecurity student, it's really interesting hearing, I guess, the effects of it and learning about them.
01:47:37.000And thank you for speaking on that and being here and having answering questions.
01:47:42.000Thank you, and thank you for being patient.