The Charlie Kirk Show - Pills, Pot, and the Nihilistic Psychosis Behind the July 4th Shooting with Dr. Naomi Wolf

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00:02:00.000 We're going to lead this program today with some unfortunate news out of Highland Park, Illinois, right down the street where I grew up, by the way.

00:02:10.000 Terrible shooting yesterday in Highland Park.

00:02:12.000 It seems as if six people are dead and over 30 people are injured.

00:02:17.000 Highland Park is in the north shore of Chicago.

00:02:19.000 I grew up in Wheeling, Illinois, not far from there at all.

00:02:23.000 It was at a July 4th parade where this individual, we're not going to use his name, gets on a rooftop and starts shooting into the crowd.

00:02:31.000 Now, that's a tragedy, and it should be considered a tragedy.

00:02:36.000 Inexplicably, we're not going to politicize it.

00:02:39.000 The other side is trying to politicize it.

00:02:42.000 They're trying to say, oh, this guy was a Trump supporter.

00:02:44.000 There's no evidence of that.

00:02:45.000 There's also no evidence that he's a far-left-wing activist.

00:02:48.000 There's evidence that he was very deeply disturbed and used visuals from both sides of the political aisle.

00:02:54.000 For what reason, we really don't know.

00:02:56.000 But it's important that we add context that we remember all deaths that happened in Illinois this weekend.

00:03:03.000 We're going to talk about the parade shooting.

00:03:06.000 We're going to talk about what I believe is actually pushing young men towards these sort of violent acts.

00:03:11.000 But also, 71 people were shot and eight fatally in the 4th of July holiday weekend in shootings across the city, Chicago police said.

00:03:19.000 Last year, 19 people were killed and more than 100 people were shot over the long 4th of July weekend.

00:03:24.000 The toll was lower than last year when 19 people were killed and more than 100 people were shot.

00:03:30.000 Nine of the wounded were shot in two attacks on the west and south side, four people in the west and Garfield Park Friday evening, and five men in Parkway Gardens on the south side on early Monday.

00:03:40.000 So Chicago.

00:03:42.000 Highland Park is a suburb of Chicago.

00:03:45.000 Six dead in a parade.

00:03:46.000 Terrible.

00:03:47.000 But in downtown Chicago, 71 shot and eight killed.

00:03:53.000 A second woman was taken to the University of Chicago Medical Center with a gunshot wound to her hand.

00:03:57.000 She was listed in good condition.

00:03:59.000 A woman was killed and a gunman was among two others wounded in a shootout Friday night in Chinatown.

00:04:04.000 At least 16 people were shot two fatally in a violent eight-hour span late Saturday into early Sunday in the city, according to Chicago police.

00:04:14.000 And so, when we look at this idea of violence in Chicago, we must not keep it limited to just what happened in Highland Park, the suburbs of Chicago, but also in downtown Chicago with widespread murder, reckless carnage.

00:04:31.000 What is driving all of this?

00:04:33.000 Well, it's very clear: the weaker we raise our men, the more violent they become, the more nihilistic they become as they get older.

00:04:43.000 What is nihilism?

00:04:45.000 Nihilism is something I want to explore with many of you.

00:04:49.000 Nihilism is more than the belief in nothing, it's the belief that there is no harmony, there is no synchronicity, there is no design to the entire universe.

00:05:00.000 Nihilism is a very easy conclusion to come to when you are raised in a secular public government school system.

00:05:10.000 Nihilism is basically the belief, it's even deeper than cynicism, that there is nothing but pleasure and pain, and the darkness that you might be feeling, any happiness that people outside of you might be experiencing is nothing more than an aberration and a mirage.

00:05:31.000 Some of the worst acts of violence have happened in our country under the false and the misleading, dangerous, sinister, and evil belief of nihilism.

00:05:44.000 Now, this is a very important point.

00:05:47.000 When you actually look at what these people believed, many of these shooters, Uvalde, Buffalo, very few of them have articulate doctrines or dogmas.

00:06:01.000 Very few of them are like the psychopath Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who wrote a long dissertation and treatise on the downfalls of technology.

00:06:12.000 Very few people are like that.

00:06:15.000 No, this is something different.

00:06:16.000 These are not people that are committing acts of violence for a reason.

00:06:20.000 It seems they're doing it for no reason at all.

00:06:22.000 Yesterday was a terrible day, and that's bad to say when it's Independence Day.

00:06:27.000 You want it to be a wonderful uplifting day.

00:06:29.000 But what happened in Highland Park, Illinois, certainly hit home for me.

00:06:33.000 I grew up right down the street from Highland Park.

00:06:35.000 I drove down the street many times of where the parade shooting happened in an explicable act of violence.

00:06:43.000 A shooter, whose name we are not going to use, seemed to have gone on a rooftop, started firing indiscriminately into the parade, and murdering six people and injuring 30 others.

00:06:55.000 Now, we're not going to politicize this.

00:06:57.000 In fact, I think that the symptoms of what we are seeing in Highland Park, or I should say, the root cause of what we've seen that actually created what happened in Highland Park, is much deeper and worthy of examination than just right versus left.

00:07:11.000 I think that's very dangerous.

00:07:12.000 I think it's sloppy.

00:07:13.000 I think it's wrong.

00:07:14.000 People are saying that, oh, this guy was a right-winger.

00:07:17.000 This guy was a left-winger.

00:07:18.000 There's evidence of both, actually.

00:07:19.000 He had socialist tattoos, and he also had some right-wing statements and beliefs on his social media.

00:07:27.000 There were some things that showed that he was very pro-CDC and pro-vaccine.

00:07:31.000 And then some people are saying he went to Trump rallies.

00:07:34.000 Very messed up, disturbed person.

00:07:35.000 We're not going to politicize it.

00:07:37.000 But instead, I want to talk to you about nihilism.

00:07:41.000 It's very clear that this young man, this young monster, I should say, was a nihilist.

00:07:47.000 Now, what is nihilist?

00:07:49.000 What is a nihilist?

00:07:50.000 What is nihilism, I should say?

00:07:52.000 A nihilist is someone who rejects and does not approve of anything in the established social order.

00:08:00.000 Rejection of all religion, rejection of right and wrong. 0.97

00:08:04.000 Now, there have been many different sort of nihilist thinkers.

00:08:07.000 I call them philosophical arsonists.

00:08:09.000 One of the most popular and famous is a man by the name of Friedrich Nietzsche.

00:08:15.000 He wrote the book Beyond Good and Evil, as well as I think it was called the Zamathutra or something.

00:08:22.000 Yeah, something similar to that.

00:08:24.000 Now, Nietzsche gets a bad rap in some sense because some of what Nietzsche actually predicted came true.

00:08:29.000 The destruction and the devolution of Western values.

00:08:32.000 He famously wrote, God is dead, but he did not write it in a celebratory fashion.

00:08:38.000 He wrote it instead as almost lamenting that since God is dead, the West will basically disintegrate upon itself.

00:08:45.000 What I meant to say is the left will do it for us.

00:08:48.000 Basically, as the West loses its faith in God and its central morality, the social order that has tied it all together, we are going to see the disintegration of the entire country as we know it.

00:09:02.000 And so this person yesterday that shot at the parade in Highland Park, it's very clear, based on just an overview analysis of his life, that he was a heavy medicated, heavily medicated individual.

00:09:17.000 Pharmacologically, he was doing weed quite often.

00:09:23.000 He was dealing from a mass psychosis event, probably on benzodiazepans, Prozac, or a mixture of all of SSRIs or serotonin-type boosting drug inhibitors.

00:09:38.000 And so we're seeing a pattern that has emerged all across the country, which is medicate our children.

00:09:43.000 Do you know millions of young people across America are on some form of psychiatric drugs, antidepressants?

00:09:49.000 I'm talking about seven, eight, and nine-year-olds.

00:09:52.000 They're on some form of psychiatric drugs.

00:09:54.000 Isolate them, lock them up, put masks on them, demonize them, then wind them up into a fury, and don't be shocked at what you get.

00:10:06.000 Now, this is not a justification for the horror and the tragedy and the murder and the suffering, what we saw in Highland Park yesterday.

00:10:14.000 Not at all.

00:10:15.000 But if we're not serious about root causes, this is going to continue to happen.

00:10:18.000 Now, the national news media is going to be very focused on the weapon.

00:10:22.000 Here's what we know about the gun.

00:10:25.000 We know that it was legally obtained.

00:10:27.000 We know that law enforcement knew of him and about him.

00:10:30.000 That's all we know.

00:10:32.000 Now, we'll find out in recent days and hopefully recent in the next couple of days, the next couple weeks, to what extent was law enforcement actually involved or engaged in monitoring him?

00:10:44.000 What sort of red flags, to use a term they like to put forward, might have been submitted.

00:10:49.000 We don't know.

00:10:50.000 We do know is this person was a deeply disturbed and sick individual.

00:10:55.000 Now, from a strictly chemical perspective, these kids have become eroded shells of a human being, torn from within with no purpose, direction, or meaning.

00:11:08.000 Now, when we see these kind of mass acts of terror, sometimes you'll see kind of a religious or a political doctrine or dogma that is pushing them forward.

00:11:19.000 For example, the Unibomber, the monster that sent all the bombs across the country in the mail, was an anti-technology activist.

00:11:29.000 He had a reason for what he was doing.

00:11:31.000 It was a sick and perverted reason, hard to even wrap your head around it, but Ted Kaczynski was doing it for a reason.

00:11:39.000 The same could be said for Eric Rudolph, who was the Centennial Park bomber who hid out in the woods and the forests of North Carolina for nearly a year and a half before law enforcement was able to find him.

00:11:55.000 This is different.

00:11:56.000 What we are seeing is the emergence of widespread nihilistic murder, destruction, and tragedy.

00:12:05.000 Nihilism is a very tricky thing.

00:12:08.000 Now, it's very interesting.

00:12:10.000 Over the weekend, on Saturday and Sunday, before this tragedy, I happened to be reading Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis.

00:12:21.000 Just happened to pop it back open.

00:12:22.000 I just felt it was relevant.

00:12:23.000 And boy, was it an apt thing to read right ahead of this tragedy.

00:12:29.000 Abolition of Man is a very interesting and short book, by the way.

00:12:32.000 It's a series of, it's basically three chapters.

00:12:35.000 It's 30 pages, if that.

00:12:36.000 Everyone should read it.

00:12:38.000 Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis, C.S. Lewis being the greatest Christian apologist, in my opinion, of the 20th century, who has brought millions of people to the Lord and has effectively pushed back against atheism, cynicism, nihilism, and secular humanism.

00:12:53.000 What C.S. Lewis was basically doing is actually responding to a children's book.

00:12:59.000 What C.S. Lewis was doing was responding to a children's book in the 1930s, prior to World War II, if I'm not mistaken.

00:13:05.000 I think it was published in 1938, the children's book.

00:13:08.000 That was all around really one sentence that C.S. Lewis was pushing back against.

00:13:12.000 It was one sentence he zeroed in on, where someone comes up to a waterfall and someone says, wow, that waterfall is sublime.

00:13:20.000 And the other person says, oh yeah, I think it makes me feel good.

00:13:24.000 And essentially, C.S. Lewis, based on this one sentence in The Abolition of Man, oversimplifying it, but the essence is that he said, society is going to disintegrate into a dystopian future, creating men without chests if you are not able to call a waterfall beautiful and sublime through objective standards.

00:13:41.000 You see, what C.S. Lewis was warning about in the 1930s and 40s, through all of his writings, screw tape letters, mere Christianity, abolition of man, miracles, chronicles of Narni, one of the most prolific writers in the 20th century, what C.S. Lewis was trying to warn us is that if you teach children that there is not a truth, if you teach children that truth is subjective, you're going to be raising a generation of men without chests.

00:14:10.000 In fact, you're going to have the abolition of man itself.

00:14:14.000 He goes on into the third chapter, the third kind of response to literature in the 1930s and 40s by saying the final act of technology will be the abolition of man.

00:14:26.000 You see, C.S. Lewis goes straight against nihilism, and he warns that nihilism, the belief in nothing, to deconstruct the established social order, what are you going to replace it with exactly?

00:14:40.000 And what you saw in Highland Park is unfortunately just the latest chapter in the long, seemingly endless, voluminous book of acts of abstract nihilism.

00:14:53.000 What's the purpose?

00:14:54.000 What difference does it make?

00:14:56.000 More damage and destruction will be done in our lifetime with one sentence.

00:15:02.000 What difference does it make?

00:15:03.000 It makes a big difference.

00:15:06.000 And I want to keep on exploring this topic with you because deeper than guns and deeper than even benzodiazepans or antidepressants, there is a philosophical thread here that actually stems from our universities and our schools.

00:15:20.000 And that young man who committed that act of violence was probably taught somewhere, well, how do you feel about it?

00:15:25.000 What is your truth?

00:15:26.000 C.S. Lewis wrote in Abolition of Man, we make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise.

00:15:35.000 We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.

00:15:41.000 C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man.

00:15:45.000 Now, some of you might say, Oh, my kid is not exposed to this sort of nihilism or this sort of belief.

00:15:52.000 It is widespread in our public and government school system.

00:15:56.000 You see, when I visited University of California, Berkeley, and I sat down for about an hour and a half and spoke to students, and then I did a speech that evening, I realized and recognized that nihilism had cast a shadow over the entire campus, University of California, Berkeley.

00:16:12.000 You see, I visited Cal Berkeley multiple times.

00:16:15.000 I visited in 2018 with Candace Owens.

00:16:17.000 I visited in 2019.

00:16:19.000 I visited multiple times, trying to think.

00:16:21.000 I think I've been there four times in total.

00:16:24.000 And when I visited in 18 and 19, oh, the left there, they were fired up.

00:16:28.000 They were angry and they were bitter, but they also felt as if if you gave them enough political power, they could create heaven on earth.

00:16:36.000 They believed that they could usher in a new utopia.

00:16:40.000 When I visited in 2022, just a couple months ago, it was a completely different vibe.

00:16:46.000 It was a categorically different energy.

00:16:50.000 Instead of students believing that they could create something better, it was widespread nihilism, cynicism.

00:16:58.000 What's the Charlie?

00:17:00.000 Why are you on campus, man?

00:17:02.000 There's nothing that's true.

00:17:03.000 There's nothing that's real.

00:17:04.000 These are deeply unhappy people that are coming to me and saying everything is subjective.

00:17:11.000 Now, what's interesting is the moment that somebody says, hey, everything's subjective, say, well, how do you know that statement to be true?

00:17:20.000 They say, nothing is true.

00:17:21.000 Well, then, how do you know that statement is true?

00:17:23.000 At some point, you must deduct down to something being true.

00:17:28.000 Now, a true subjectivist, a legitimate subjectivist, will just say, it's my feeling that everything is true.

00:17:36.000 But they won't do that because they want to be taken seriously.

00:17:38.000 They want to be authored.

00:17:39.000 They want to have their books published.

00:17:41.000 You see, a lot of these ideas were pushed forward in the 1960s by Jacques Derrida and Michelle Foucault and the postmodernists that have infiltrated our entire school system.

00:17:53.000 You see, if you deal with a college student, which I deal with a lot of college kids, so I speak from a place of authority here, they don't know what is real.

00:18:02.000 You see, from the basis of where education needs to start and the disservice of what education does today is they create young people that are not anchored in anything that is real, good, true, or beautiful.

00:18:16.000 It creates manic people.

00:18:20.000 It creates a mad generation, is what it does. 0.89

00:18:23.000 And they have to gravitate towards antidepressants.

00:18:26.000 They have to gravitate towards pharmacological interventions like marijuana, ecstasy, and cocaine.

00:18:32.000 They have to gravitate towards alcohol because there's no other way they could process it.

00:18:37.000 So all they can do is try to go towards the pain and pleasure matrix.

00:18:44.000 But instead, true education is talking about, as C.S. Lewis wrote in Abolition of Man, the Tao, the way, that there is a way that you must live.

00:18:55.000 There's a path that you should be on.

00:18:58.000 We as Christians believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:19:03.000 But C.S. Lewis writes beautifully in The Abolition of Man that it's not just Christianity that came up with this concept, that almost every form of civilization that was able to function and flourish had a way that people should live, a transcendent moral order, or otherwise in Catholic social teaching, would be called a natural law, as Thomas Aquinas would put it.

00:19:26.000 Nihilism destroys all of that.

00:19:29.000 And when you start to see these senseless shootings, when you start to see these mass outbursts of violence, when you see the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, and drug-addicted generation in history, we must understand the philosophical underpinnings that is driving this.

00:19:47.000 And yes, if you're a parent or a grandparent and you send your kid to a government school, you should be a lot more worried that they're going to catch the contagion of nihilism than the virus of COVID.

00:20:00.000 The contagion of nihilism can turn an otherwise happy and joyful young person into an endless tornado of misery and despair.

00:20:10.000 It makes them believe there's nothing else than a will to power, not a will to meaning or a will to beauty.

00:20:17.000 Entire civilizations fall apart on this.

00:20:20.000 The Russian Revolution was built on a kind of rejection of the pre-existing social order.

00:20:27.000 And then you fill them up with chemicals, you overindulge them in pleasure, video games, rap, music that is not good for them at all.

00:20:40.000 An overstimulation of dopamine, the baseline starts to lower.

00:20:44.000 And we wonder why all of a sudden our nation's young men are killing themselves and killing others. 0.80

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00:22:08.000 In C.S. Lewis's Abolition of Man, he talks about when you raise a generation that is not able to understand what is real and what is true, and they are not on the DAO or the way, they have no teleological purpose for existence.

00:22:24.000 Teleological basically means purpose, and it's overly complex wording.

00:22:30.000 We actually get the word from the word telescope, which means far out in the distance, telos, which means something to aim for.

00:22:37.000 When a generation has nothing to aim for, no reason for existence, they could kill themselves. 0.98

00:22:42.000 There's a lot of young people doing that.

00:22:44.000 Certain epidemic of suicide in our country in a way we've never seen before.

00:22:48.000 They can self-medicate.

00:22:49.000 We're seeing a lot of that.

00:22:50.000 Higher rates of marijuana, higher rates of antidepressants, higher rates of alcohol, higher rates of cocaine, higher rates of amphetamines.

00:23:00.000 And by the way, almost every other conservative show is going to talk about guns and all that.

00:23:04.000 We did that a couple weeks ago.

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00:23:09.000 Okay?

00:23:10.000 You guys can go back there.

00:23:12.000 Why don't we talk about the philosophical contagion, the virus, the mind virus that is stemming out of our public schools that are being taught to five, six, and seven-year-olds saying, so what do you believe is true?

00:23:24.000 How do you feel about that?

00:23:26.000 Feelings are very deceiving.

00:23:29.000 Your imagination can run wild, and you could believe or feel something that is not true.

00:23:37.000 Education should be anchoring young people towards what is real.

00:23:42.000 What is the real gender that you have? 1.00

00:23:46.000 What is the truth?

00:23:48.000 What is real in material reality, in sensory reality, in metaphysical reality?

00:23:53.000 I'm wondering what your thoughts are, by the way.

00:23:55.000 You should email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:23:58.000 Do you start to see this kind of disease of nihilism seeping into our country?

00:24:02.000 Are you starting to feel as if young people are more depressed and less likely to have an optimistic viewpoint?

00:24:09.000 Well, maybe this is one of the reasons why.

00:24:11.000 PsychologyToday.com.

00:24:13.000 Before I say this, what percentage of children do you think are on psychiatric drugs?

00:24:17.000 What percentage of children?

00:24:19.000 According to psychology today, one in 12 children are on psychiatric drugs.

00:24:27.000 One in 12 children.

00:24:30.000 12.9% of 12 to 17 year olds.

00:24:34.000 The use of psychiatric drugs in children has been steadily increasing for many years in several countries.

00:24:41.000 In the United States, 8.5% of children under the age of 18 are on medication for ADD, ADHD, autism, ASD, or difficulties with emotion, concentration, or behavior, according to a national survey.

00:24:54.000 Psychiatric drug use in youth is increasing in many countries.

00:24:58.000 But we don't even know what impact this has on the developing brain.

00:25:02.000 And to Psychology Today, to their credit, they wrote this, quote, these trends are of concern because very little is known about the effects of these drugs taken alone or in combination on the developing brain.

00:25:12.000 Not to mention with alcohol, high stress, low sleep, bright screens all the time in front of their eyes, marijuana.

00:25:21.000 What happens when you mix benzodiazepans or Prozac or Zoloft with marijuana?

00:25:28.000 That's probably not a good combination for a developing brain.

00:25:33.000 For example, a review of 26 studies on antidepressants and children concluded that, quote, findings suggest that most newer antidepressants may reduce depression symptoms in a small and unimportant way compared with placebo.

00:25:47.000 Suicide-related thinking and behavior may be increased in those taking these medications.

00:25:53.000 What if actually all these antidepressants that are plaguing our land are having an adverse effect?

00:25:59.000 How much of this could actually be solved through healthy living and understanding a developing brain and having just a little bit, an elementary, an introductory understanding of how dopamine works, just like a little bit.

00:26:12.000 How does serotonin work?

00:26:14.000 How does dopamine work?

00:26:16.000 How does adrenaline work?

00:26:17.000 And I'm like far from an expert.

00:26:18.000 In fact, I wouldn't even call myself fluent or literate in this category.

00:26:23.000 But just reading a little bit of the literature and exposing yourself to some of what the experts have to say about this.

00:26:29.000 People like Andrew Huberman and Ann Lempke that have done a lot of research on this.

00:26:35.000 All of a sudden, it's not hard to start to piece together all of the empirical evidence where you start to see a generation that is so burned out.

00:26:42.000 So for example, just a very simple thing, when you look at dopamine, for every increase of dopamine from the baseline, you have to have an inverse decrease.

00:26:53.000 Meaning if you go two and a half times above baseline, you're going to have to go below baseline two and a half times.

00:26:58.000 Now, many of you know this probably when you say, man, after something where I really enjoyed a sports game, an event, or a night with friends, sometimes a couple days later, I'm feeling a little bit down.

00:27:08.000 Why is that?

00:27:09.000 It's because dopamine is the reward or incentive chemical in your brain.

00:27:15.000 It literally keeps you going.

00:27:18.000 It is what feels good when you accomplish something.

00:27:21.000 So chocolate, for example, is an immediate boost of dopamine levels.

00:27:25.000 Cocaine, amphetamine, sex, and there's other things as well, such as connection with people around you.

00:27:31.000 Now, there can be good and healthy boosts in dopamine, and then there's unhealthy interventions.

00:27:36.000 But let's just take video games, for example.

00:27:38.000 I'm not here to bash video games, a judgment-free zone.

00:27:40.000 I play video games growing up.

00:27:42.000 I know a lot of people do as well.

00:27:43.000 But if you look at the reward structure behind video games, they know exactly what they're doing.

00:27:48.000 They make them competitive.

00:27:49.000 They make them intentionally try to keep on escalating your engagement, your screen time, where you are literally having your child burn out their brain and their dopamine reward structure.

00:28:02.000 By the time they get in the real world, they said, There's no beauty, there's no truth, no goodness.

00:28:06.000 What they need is really a 60-day dopamine fast.

00:28:09.000 Now, another thing that destroys young people's brains that no one wants to talk about, again, judgment-free zone, I'm not here to moralize, is pornography.

00:28:18.000 What porn does to teen brains and how to keep it off their devices? 1.00

00:28:22.000 Most parents have no understanding and no comprehension of the damage of what pornography can do to a young person.

00:28:32.000 So, when you start to see these outbursts of mass violence, they are all downstream.

00:28:40.000 They're all tributaries of chemical imbalances that could be attributed to, I think, the over-prescription of antidepressants.

00:28:48.000 And for once, if the Republican Party, I think, wanted to really represent the interest of their voters, how many Republicans running for office say, hey, we're medicating our children too much.

00:28:57.000 And by the way, this ties into our parents' party idea.

00:29:01.000 Why are we vaccinating six-month-year-old?

00:29:03.000 Why are we having young kids be exposed to drag queen events? 0.99

00:29:07.000 Why are these are good questions, by the way?

00:29:12.000 And what the response from the nihilists would be: well, what difference does it make?

00:29:17.000 What difference does it make?

00:29:20.000 And from my experience with talking to other people, far too many psychiatrists are just pushing pills on people.

00:29:27.000 They're not actually doing CBT counseling, they're not actually doing deep and constructive therapy.

00:29:34.000 They could just be pushing pills on people, especially, I mean, if you are prescribing psychiatric drugs to preschoolers, according to the data, there's hundreds of thousands of preschoolers that are on Riddlin.

00:29:49.000 What is the long-term impact of that?

00:29:52.000 Does that make a child more or less likely to have social or antisocial tendencies?

00:29:58.000 So, don't be surprised when all of a sudden you mix all these together, you have this philosophical contagion, you have a massive reservoir of interventions.

00:30:08.000 We don't even know what it does to children.

00:30:12.000 It says here: quote, the psychiatric drugging of our children, a development, a developing international crisis.

00:30:17.000 Are you even allowed to say this out loud?

00:30:19.000 No.

00:30:20.000 One of the reasons why is the very same reason why we couldn't question the gene therapy called a vaccine.

00:30:27.000 It's the pharmaceutical companies.

00:30:29.000 Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Johnson Johnson.

00:30:31.000 When's the last time you saw a cable television program do a deep dive on antidepressants and their role potentially on harming and damaging people?

00:30:40.000 Now, mind you, some people take antidepressants and they talk very favorably about it.

00:30:45.000 They say, Charlie, it's a wonderful thing.

00:30:47.000 Other people take them and it intensifies their problem.

00:30:52.000 But how much of that very well could have been solved with healthy living, understanding how dopamine works, maybe regulating your serotonin levels, finding other natural interventions, turmeric, such as trying to lower your inflammation.

00:31:10.000 By the way, inflammation is now shown to be tied to depression, according to some studies.

00:31:14.000 Again, a lot of this stuff is debated.

00:31:15.000 That's fine.

00:31:16.000 Again, I'm far from an expert.

00:31:17.000 I'm not trying to proclaim to be one, but just read the literature of people that do know what they're talking about, of other neuroscientists.

00:31:22.000 And the takeaway that is now overwhelming in kind of the dissident neuroscientist community is these drugs might be doing more harm than good.

00:31:31.000 That is the big takeaway.

00:31:33.000 The reflex is medicate, isolate, put them in front of a screen, and don't interrupt them despite how much pornography they're watching, video games they're playing, or substance they're putting in their body.

00:31:45.000 That removes you from the richness of life.

00:31:49.000 That is the perfect incubator.

00:31:51.000 It is a petri dish for nihilism, what we've created.

00:31:56.000 You see, don't be shocked when a young person says, I don't know what's real, because all they've been looking at is fantasy.

00:32:04.000 They've been looking at fantasy when it comes to sexual interactions, fantasy when it comes to physical interactions, fantasy when it comes to intimacy.

00:32:13.000 And then if they have a problem, like, well, got to intervene with SSRIs or benzodiazepans or Prozac or Zoloft, and then they go down on the curve and they do more of it, and the cycle continues.

00:32:26.000 It's easy to blame the guns, but I think there's a deeper structural problem with the over-medication of children, the isolation of them, the lack of parenting that is correcting these incredibly damaging technological influences that I've mentioned previously.

00:32:44.000 You want to get your voters' attention?

00:32:47.000 You want to actually solve people's problems?

00:32:49.000 Talk about these things.

00:32:50.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:32:50.000 I'd love your thoughts.

00:32:52.000 That's freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:54.000 And of course, all of this, all of that pales in comparison with the spiritual dimension and our spiritual crisis, the spiritual famine that we're living through right now.

00:33:02.000 Malcolm emailed us, some, a good percentage of kids today quite literally use bad mental health as a way to become popular.

00:33:09.000 I graduated high school, so I was around it all the time.

00:33:11.000 Depression has become so hugely popular within this generation that, quote, depressed people have seemingly created a click.

00:33:17.000 Granted, I can't say all of them are faking it, but it's clear a chunk are.

00:33:21.000 It sucks to see a genuine mental problem be used for popularity's sake.

00:33:25.000 I can't comment on that, but interesting take. 0.61

00:33:28.000 You're on the right track, Charlie.

00:33:29.000 Don't stop short.

00:33:30.000 There's an unwillingness to yield to conviction of the Holy Spirit.

00:33:32.000 We have to be willing to stand on the truth, but even more, we have to know the truth for ourselves.

00:33:36.000 The heart matter.

00:33:37.000 Thanks for all you're doing.

00:33:38.000 I totally agree.

00:33:39.000 Now, mind you, it is a heart matter, but even in the New Testament, it talks about how outside interventions, pharmacological interventions, otherwise known as pharmakia, could let's not destroy, but could harm your relationship with the divine.

00:33:56.000 That is one of the reasons why Paul explicitly warns against drunkenness and pharmakia, which could be called marijuana or hallucinogenics or psychedelic drugs.

00:34:06.000 37 school shooters and school-related violence committed by those under the influence of psychiatric drugs.

00:34:11.000 Now, I'm going to go through this, but I'm already going to give you the devil's advocate argument.

00:34:16.000 The devil's advocate argument is Charlie.

00:34:17.000 It's not the drugs causing it.

00:34:19.000 It's the fact that they are disturbed, therefore they're on drugs.

00:34:22.000 Okay, I think that's a fair argument.

00:34:24.000 So I just want to make sure that people know that the potential opposition out there, but I also don't think that's as strong as it could be.

00:34:32.000 You go through here, 37 school shooters under the influence of psychiatric drugs, according to CCHRINT.org.

00:34:40.000 It's the Citizen Commission on Human Rights International.

00:34:44.000 May 1st, 2017, Austin, Texas, Kendricks White stabbed four people.

00:34:50.000 He was on Zoloft.

00:34:52.000 It goes one after the other, after the other.

00:34:53.000 You guys could check it.

00:34:54.000 We should link this on charliekirk.com.

00:34:56.000 Again, I'm not saying that necessarily they cause it, but I'm also not dismissing it.

00:35:02.000 And also, certain studies show that there could be adverse events that happen when taking these antidepressants, such as violence, nihilism, and increased depression.

00:35:11.000 In fact, if you look at the black label on some of these drugs, in some of the trials, it showed anywhere between 3 to 5% of people that took some of these drugs potentially had those kind of adverse events.

00:35:23.000 This one right here, you could go 18-year-old Finnish gunman, Pekka Eric Avin, shot and killed eight people.

00:35:29.000 Remember that Finnish shooting?

00:35:31.000 He had been taking antidepressants.

00:35:33.000 Northern Illinois shooting, taking antidepressants.

00:35:35.000 Finland shooting, killing nine students and a teacher.

00:35:39.000 He was on SSRI and Xanax.

00:35:41.000 He was also seeing a psychologist.

00:35:44.000 The list is pretty incredible.

00:35:46.000 When you see it for yourself, we'll link it on charliekirk.com.

00:35:52.000 And look, I'm not, this is a judgment-free zone.

00:35:54.000 If those of you guys are on antidepressants, depressants, and all that, I'm not here to say you're making a mistake.

00:36:00.000 I'm not here saying that you're a bad person.

00:36:02.000 No, I'm still making a broader societal point, which is, is it necessary to over-medicate our children on these brain-altering, potentially brain-altering psychiatric drugs?

00:36:15.000 I'm asking questions of how do drugs impact young people and self-harm and suicide.

00:36:22.000 I'm wondering if there are other homeopathic and naturopathic interventions that could help young people, such as not staring at a screen all day long, having relationships that matter.

00:36:33.000 This is the most depressed generation in history.

00:36:35.000 It's also the most medicated generation in history.

00:36:39.000 And I think a lot of parents are parenting out of fear.

00:36:45.000 I think a lot of parents are wondering, what do I do?

00:36:51.000 You see, a lot of these parents will send their kids to a psychiatrist.

00:36:54.000 And the psychiatrist will say, well, there's something wrong with your child.

00:36:58.000 They could potentially have suicidal tendencies.

00:37:00.000 Here's three drugs that they might need to make them feel better.

00:37:03.000 Now, mind you, we don't even know the other side effects.

00:37:06.000 Paranoia, insomnia, weight gain, all sorts of other side effects that can happen from these drugs outside of potentially violent tendencies and all this.

00:37:15.000 Now, am I saying that every single person that has these drugs that takes these drugs have terrible, terrible times?

00:37:20.000 No, of course not.

00:37:21.000 But also, if you have side effects to these drugs, the withdrawals from benzodiazepans could also kill you.

00:37:28.000 Just ask Jordan Peterson.

00:37:30.000 And so when we see this increase in mass violence and you see what happens when these people, I mean, you see this lunatic, this monster that is shooting in Highland Park, it makes you wonder what sort of, first of all, philosophical ideas were introduced that even make this idea to be entertained potentially in there in this world.

00:37:54.000 Medicate, isolate, demonize.

00:37:56.000 And then you have the spiritual desert, the spiritual famine, which also stem from nihilism.

00:38:04.000 C.S. Lewis hit it perfectly.

00:38:06.000 You must be on the Tao, the way.

00:38:08.000 We as Christians believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:38:13.000 I know there's people that aren't Christians that listen to this program.

00:38:16.000 And you might believe there is another spiritual way.

00:38:19.000 At least there's some dimension.

00:38:20.000 At least you hold yourself to some natural law, some moral order.

00:38:24.000 But we've actually done the worst possible combination.

00:38:27.000 We've decided to tell young people that it's your truth, which puts an unbelievable amount of pressure, by the way, on them to try to figure this all out and navigate it.

00:38:35.000 Tell them that there is no truth themselves, that it's all just subjectivity, which immediately will result in deconstructionism, postmodernism, and nothing more than pleasure seeking.

00:38:45.000 And what we know from neurology and neuroscience is you'll become a deeply unhappy person very quickly.

00:38:52.000 And then we put all of these fake window dressing substances on top of it, acting as if everything's going to be fine.

00:39:01.000 Maybe we should get back to things that work.

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00:39:05.000 It's the knowledge of things that do not change.

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00:39:12.000 It's going to take work.

00:39:13.000 Comfort can literally kill you.

00:39:16.000 What we've done is the opposite.

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00:40:19.000 The over-medication of our children is one of the great issues of our time, and no one wants to talk about it.

00:40:26.000 But it starts even earlier than that.

00:40:28.000 It seems as if our children are no longer protected.

00:40:32.000 The innocence of our children is no longer protected.

00:40:35.000 From vaccine mandates to their spiritual innocence also being taken, from their sexual innocence also being taken.

00:40:44.000 But what I really want to focus on is the idea here of the over-prescription of antidepressants and these other interventions.

00:40:53.000 And to help us unpack that, someone who I really enjoy having on, the author of The Bodies of Others, The New Authoritarians, COVID-19, and The War Against the Human, the author of which is Dr. Naomi Wolf.

00:41:09.000 Dr. Welcome back to the program.

00:41:11.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

00:41:12.000 It's really great to talk to you.

00:41:13.000 Please call me Naomi.

00:41:14.000 Naomi, thank you for joining us again.

00:41:16.000 So give us your thoughts here.

00:41:18.000 Nihilism mixed with these incredibly, let's say, powerful pharmacological compounds such as SSRIs and benzodiazepines, Zoloft, and Xanax, and how we are over-prescribing them to our nation's youth.

00:41:35.000 The latest study shows that 12 to 13% of our nation's young people are on some form of psychiatric drugs.

00:41:41.000 What is the potential downside of that?

00:41:43.000 What are your thoughts?

00:41:44.000 Yeah, well, just, you know, I have to always start conversations like this by warning that I'm not a medical doctor.

00:41:50.000 That said, I've written three, you know, big nonfiction books about health issues, about the pharmaceutical industry.

00:42:02.000 And I'm a mom and a stepmom.

00:42:04.000 And I really agree with you about your concerns.

00:42:08.000 First, what I would say is we've imposed on children and teenagers and young adults in the last two years, circumstances that the bodies of others point out are guaranteed to cause mental illness,

00:42:24.000 to cause anxiety, to cause depression, and to cause other kinds of stresses that young adults have never been subjected to, really in the history of human beings, you know, outside of places like North Korea or the Warsaw Ghetto.

00:42:39.000 And what I mean is this, just in the last two years, we isolated young adults.

00:42:45.000 We isolated teenagers.

00:42:47.000 We kept them at home, you know, chained to computers.

00:42:50.000 We didn't let them go to school.

00:42:52.000 We sent them home from university.

00:42:54.000 Even now, and the bodies of others starts with, and I've written about this a lot, you know, starting with my book in 2008, The End of America, which looked at the effect of isolation on political prisoners.

00:43:07.000 You're not allowed to keep political prisoners isolated.

00:43:10.000 You're not allowed to keep prisoners isolated or in solitary confinement for long.

00:43:15.000 Even one day of isolation causes permanent changes in the brain and can cause mental illness and psychosis.

00:43:23.000 So we, to my astonishment, at places like Ivy League universities, major state universities, kids who test, young adults who test positive for COVID, and these PCR tests are full of problems, as I point out as well, they're isolated for up to a week alone in their rooms with nothing, you know, not allowed to be, you know, outside with other young adults.

00:43:48.000 They're, you know, driven to attend classes online and not allowed even to be in outside classrooms with young adults.

00:43:56.000 So we've done this for two years and totally predictably, it's had an effect on young adults' mental health and on teenagers and children's mental health.

00:44:04.000 Early on in the pandemic, I was hearing from doctors, dissident doctors, because they were facing and still are facing backlash for even talking about this, that the phrase child suicidality was up as never before.

00:44:17.000 Teenagers are expressing suicidal ideation.

00:44:20.000 Well, this isn't all going to just go away because we've been allowed out.

00:44:24.000 We've still given them a completely psychotic reality in which human touch is supposed to be, you know, lethal, in which you can kill someone by just walking past them and breathing, in which they can't be sure of the future.

00:44:40.000 And, you know, I'm just an employer of young adults now, and I hear this despair all the time.

00:44:47.000 Like, what are you going to be in five years?

00:44:48.000 I ask people when I interview them for a job.

00:44:51.000 And if they're in their early 20s, they can't answer that question because the last two years have ripped up all the social contracts.

00:44:57.000 So yes, and so to just end this riff, you know, bring it back to psychiatric drugs, having given them a mental illness causing social contract and reality, of course, the same doctors who stood by for all this nonsense and harm are doling out SSRIs like there's no tomorrow instead of treating or encouraging them to actually treat the things that are generating mental illness.

00:45:23.000 You said something super interesting.

00:45:24.000 I want you to elaborate on it briefly, which is that even in political prisoners, solitary confinement is not allowed for periods of time.

00:45:31.000 Yet that's precisely what we did with tens of millions of our nation's young people, where we really told them that you're not allowed to see any of your peers, any of your friends, creating antisocial tendencies.

00:45:43.000 Pornography consumption went up, drug consumption went up, video game consumption went up, streaming services went up, all of these things that are, by definition, nothing more than photons hitting a screen.

00:45:55.000 It's not reality.

00:45:57.000 And you have to wonder the damage that does to a 12, 13, or 14-year-old that is still trying to distinguish between reality and their imagination.

00:46:05.000 Can you elaborate more on how we treat our own nation's children more cruel than even what we would a prisoner of war?

00:46:15.000 Absolutely.

00:46:16.000 And this would never be like the Geneva Conventions don't allow, you know, Guantanamo to treat political prisoners the way we've treated children, teenagers, and young 20-somethings in the last two years.

00:46:32.000 So what you just said is really profound.

00:46:33.000 And in the bodies of others, I also have a chapter that shows exactly, you know, why these tech companies supported the lockdowns and supported a reality in which people whose brains, as you say rightly, are just developing, you know, to switch them off of IRL, you know, real life school, real life sports with their friends, real life hanging out at the playground.

00:46:58.000 And then if you're a late older teenager, young adult, real life dating, real life relationships, and switch them onto what you just described, addiction to video games, addiction to meta, before meta has even been rolled out, and a lack of ability to relate to other human beings.

00:47:16.000 It's a generating of Asperger's type personalities, even in children and young adults who are perfectly normal in terms of their actual brain development.

00:47:28.000 And the result is Nintendo, which was a dying brand, is up 20 to 25% net revenue over the last two years.

00:47:37.000 Microsoft is up 20-25% net revenue.

00:47:40.000 Amazon is up.

00:47:42.000 I'm sure porn sites are up.

00:47:43.000 I do off the charts, I have no doubt.

00:47:47.000 But what you get is this culture of children, teenagers and young adults who literally aren't socialized to go outside and connect with other human beings because they've been conditioned to have all of their needs met digitally.

00:48:07.000 And a lot of those policies are intended to foster this.

00:48:10.000 For example, I've been very irate about masks.

00:48:14.000 They don't make any difference.

00:48:15.000 The data are in in terms of COVID.

00:48:17.000 What they do, however, and the bodies of others talks about this a lot, is that they impair kids' abilities to acquire speech and to speak to each other, and they impair young adults' ability to do what young adults are supposed to do.

00:48:31.000 They're supposed to flirt. 0.95

00:48:32.000 You know, they're supposed to make friends.

00:48:34.000 They're supposed to bond.

00:48:35.000 They're supposed to have like rich, complex emotional lives.

00:48:38.000 They're supposed to want to talk all night, you know, and look at the stars.

00:48:42.000 You can't do any of that in a mask.

00:48:43.000 And my argument is this is what the masks are for.

00:48:46.000 This is what lockdowns are for.

00:48:48.000 They're to disable the human ability to be fascinated by another human face or to just be addicted to human communication, to be able to pick up human cues.

00:49:00.000 So I'm the stepmother of a recently turned 11-year-old.

00:49:03.000 And I was watching during the lockdowns as his peers' language degenerated, their ability to pick up facial cues and to express their emotions with facial expressions degenerated.

00:49:15.000 And then finally, he said, look, you know, Naomi, my friends and I run home after school and turn on our phones so we can see our friends' faces.

00:49:25.000 I'm okay as long as I can see my friends' faces on the screen.

00:49:29.000 Naomi, you have a book out the bodies of others, and I have not read the book, but we've talked about it a little bit.

00:49:35.000 Can you talk about the profit incentive here, though?

00:49:37.000 So generally, I think profits are wonderful and good and can motivate good behavior.

00:49:42.000 When you look at children, though, what if the profit motive is to try to fill them with vaccines they don't need, drugs that harm them, and then other interventions that solve for the things that those things caused?

00:49:53.000 Can you talk about how the profit motive can actually work against the well-being of our children?

00:49:58.000 Absolutely.

00:49:59.000 Well, that's essentially the core argument of the bodies of others that a handful of bad actors, including the Chinese Communist Party, the World Economic Forum, big tech companies, and bad nonprofits like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, all of whom are self-interested, use the pandemic in such a way as to crush human advantages over digital technologies,

00:50:27.000 to crush human civilization, crush in-person classrooms, in-person universities, in-person playtime, if we're talking specifically about kids, and re-engineer our society in such a way as to leave us always asking permission of drug companies and of digital technologies to be human, to engage in commerce.

00:50:49.000 And capitalism is awesome if you have free will.

00:50:52.000 But what we saw in the last two years is that our freedoms to choose have been stripped away from us and certainly stripped away from children who are not old enough to consent to injections that statistically don't have a risk-benefit ratio that serves them or to agree to having their schools shut down, having their universities shut down, and so on.

00:51:16.000 So the profit motive is massive.

00:51:19.000 And what you see is these bad actors are invested in both ends, right?

00:51:23.000 So Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is invested in the vaccines.

00:51:27.000 Zuckerberg Foundation is invested in the vaccines.

00:51:31.000 These same platforms deplatform people like me who raise concerns early on about menstrual dysregulation, for instance, with the vaccines, or doctors who warn about heart damage to young adult men, especially and teenage men with these mRNA vaccines.

00:51:48.000 And then on the other side, Microsoft and Salesforce and other digital platforms are manufacturing the vaccine passports.

00:51:58.000 And they've been trying to roll those out in the U.S.

00:52:00.000 We fought hard against them, but they successfully rolled them out in Europe, in Israel, in Australia, and around the world.

00:52:06.000 And those vaccine passports then generate more profits by our being under essentially a China-style social credit system because all of our data are being harvested and we can be stopped at any time from participating in society.

00:52:22.000 So these are 180 degree coercions and efforts to strip us of our free will in a way that drives the astronomical profits that I spell out in the bodies of others for these companies that are behind the messages and the censorship and the coercion and the vaccine mandates of the last two years.

00:52:44.000 And I just mentioned a couple of companies, but you could go on and on.

00:52:47.000 Zoom is up 20 to 25 percent last two years.

00:52:50.000 They have servers that run through China.

00:52:52.000 So it's a massive hack of our IP and our business meetings and so on, in addition to the profits generated.

00:52:59.000 You know, I mentioned Amazon.

00:53:00.000 If you crush, you know, High Street and Main Street and little shops and little boutiques and little bodegas, everyone has to order from Amazon up 20 to 25 percent.

00:53:12.000 Not to even mention the, you know, 23 billion or so generated by for Pfizer and Moderna, especially for rolling out these mRNA injections, which I have a team of 3,000 highly credentialed medical researchers, biostatisticians, physicians, RNs, lab scientists who are reading through the Pfizer documents released under court order and finding catastrophic harms.

00:53:40.000 Well, who is at statistically no risk is children from COVID, almost no risk is young adults.

00:53:47.000 But the harms to young adults, to children, to babies, to lactating women, to men's sperm production, the strokes, the clots, the heart attacks, the encephaly, it's catastrophic in the Pfizer documents.

00:54:04.000 And there's literally no reason young adults and children have to be coerced into taking these experimental injections.

00:54:12.000 Very good.

00:54:12.000 Well, Dr. Wolf, thank you so much for your commentary, Naomi, I should say.

00:54:16.000 And check out the bodies of others.

00:54:18.000 And this is a topic that I want to continue to explore, which is when you have a group of companies that work in collusion with one another, you cannot sue them, and there's not alternatives and competitors against them.

00:54:30.000 And their profit motive is to put substances into your children.

00:54:35.000 We should probably say timeout.

00:54:37.000 What the heck is going on here?

00:54:38.000 Very good.

00:54:39.000 Naomi, thank you so much for joining us as always.

00:54:42.000 I appreciate it.

00:54:43.000 Thank you.

00:54:46.000 Thank you so much for listening to everybody.

00:54:48.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:54:50.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:54:51.000 God bless.

00:54:55.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 05, 2022

Pills, Pot, and the Nihilistic Psychosis Behind the July 4th Shooting with Dr. Naomi Wolf

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