The Charlie Kirk Show - June 03, 2023


Play to Win, or Just Playing? with Jack Posobiec and Darren Beattie


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Learn English with the President of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk. In this episode, Charlie talks about the importance of being an activist and how you need to take the ball yourself into play if you want to take this country back.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, super important episode.
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00:00:56.000 As always, you can email us your questions freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:59.000 Action-packed episode, everybody.
00:01:01.000 Thank you for supporting us.
00:01:03.000 Thank you for emailing us.
00:01:04.000 And also get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com.
00:01:07.000 Can't forget that.
00:01:08.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:01:09.000 Here we go.
00:01:11.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:01:13.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:01:15.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:01:18.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:01:21.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:22.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:23.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:01:25.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:32.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:41.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:43.000 Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com.
00:01:53.000 Sitting in for the great Charlie Kirk, we're guest hosting for Charlie.
00:01:56.000 Charlie's Taking Care of Business.
00:01:58.000 And as we know, Turning Point Action just announced an incredible amount of business yesterday.
00:02:04.000 The $5 million partnership with Scott Pressler.
00:02:09.000 Look, when you're watching the Charlie Kirk show, when you're going to the Turning Point Action events and Turning Point Action Act Con is coming up this July 14th and 15th, you have to understand that this is more than just paying attention to the news every day.
00:02:25.000 And we're going to do that.
00:02:25.000 We're going to analyze the news.
00:02:27.000 We're going to analyze what's going on in Ohio, what's going down in Iowa, what's going on in New Hampshire, what's going on in South Carolina as the 2024 horse race, the trail of the tape, if you will, is going on.
00:02:40.000 But at the same time, you also have to understand that it's not enough anymore.
00:02:45.000 It's not enough anymore just to be listening to the news passively.
00:02:49.000 It's not enough to just be sitting back and saying, oh, you know what?
00:02:52.000 These guys have taken care of it.
00:02:53.000 No.
00:02:54.000 You have to become interactive activists.
00:02:58.000 You have to take the ball yourself and find a way to move it forward if we're ever going to take this country back.
00:03:06.000 Understand what time it is.
00:03:09.000 Know what part of the movie you are in.
00:03:13.000 Three states.
00:03:14.000 Charlie Kirk laid this out on the Great Tim Poole show.
00:03:20.000 Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin.
00:03:23.000 You flip those states and then specific counties within those states that you can then micro-target and demographics and bands of voters that you can go for specifically doing the work now with the Scott Prussians of the world.
00:03:37.000 This is what TP action is all about.
00:03:40.000 And yes, there's going to be great speakers at Turning Point At Con.
00:03:43.000 You definitely want to make sure you come there.
00:03:45.000 President Trump is speaking.
00:03:46.000 I'm speaking.
00:03:47.000 Charlie Kirk, Ben Johnson, so many great speakers, right?
00:03:50.000 But even then, beyond the speakers, what's more important is meeting with like-minded individuals in your home area, in your hometown, or being able to find people that you can network with and then go back to one of those states, whether it be one of those three or whether there's one that's nearby.
00:04:11.000 Those are the ones you need.
00:04:14.000 We need 1,000 Scott Presslers to win in 2024.
00:04:20.000 Are you going to be one of them?
00:04:22.000 Because you need to be.
00:04:23.000 Look, if they bring 2,000 mules, we bring 10,000.
00:04:31.000 This is the situation.
00:04:32.000 And look, let me tell you, I'll talk for a second about ballot harvesting.
00:04:36.000 I hate it.
00:04:37.000 I hate the entire concept of it. 0.98
00:04:39.000 I find it morally repugnant.
00:04:43.000 I personally believe, and I say this as a son of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I personally believe that we should go back to one election day.
00:04:50.000 It's not election week.
00:04:51.000 It's not election month.
00:04:52.000 It's election day.
00:04:54.000 I want to go back to that.
00:04:55.000 I want voter ID.
00:04:57.000 I don't want this universal mail-in balloting system, which is rife for fraud.
00:05:05.000 And it already is rife with fraud.
00:05:06.000 We know this.
00:05:06.000 We've seen the voter rolls.
00:05:07.000 They're dirty.
00:05:08.000 Go talk to Richard Barris. 0.99
00:05:09.000 You will see this.
00:05:10.000 Okay.
00:05:11.000 You can see so much of this.
00:05:13.000 But at the same time, when I hear people come to me and they say, well, we just need to go back to the old way.
00:05:18.000 We need to go back to the old way.
00:05:19.000 Walk me through how you're going to do that.
00:05:21.000 How are you going to accomplish that?
00:05:23.000 Right.
00:05:23.000 Strategy doesn't win.
00:05:24.000 Logistics, logistics, logistics wins the day.
00:05:28.000 How are you going to enact those policies in states that you do not control currently as of right now?
00:05:35.000 The five states that the Democrats flipped, and we can get into how they flipped it in 2000 Mule certainly does that, but I'm talking to you right now, logistically, pragmatically, in the real world.
00:05:46.000 We have to come up with a plan to win if we are ever going to affect that change at the legal level that we all want.
00:05:53.000 So are you going to play to win or are you just going to play?
00:05:58.000 It's as simple as that.
00:06:00.000 And I know if Charlie were here, he would say the same thing because that's why he had Scott Pressler on yesterday and went all in, all in, $5 million just for the state of Wisconsin.
00:06:13.000 And look, I want to hear from you.
00:06:14.000 Charlie wants to hear from you.
00:06:16.000 Send your emails in, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:06:19.000 We'll read the best ones on air.
00:06:21.000 If you guys disagree with me, if you find what I'm saying to be so morally repugnant, and I'm admitting, right?
00:06:27.000 I'm admitting up front, I hate the entire concept of ballot harvesting.
00:06:32.000 I believe it should be one man, one vote, one woman, one vote, that you should be able, and you should go through the American tradition because it is a civic tradition.
00:06:42.000 It was a civic tradition in this country for hundreds of years that you go and vote at the polls on election day.
00:06:50.000 You wait in line, you meet people, and that was the original election integrity, right?
00:06:55.000 The original election integrity.
00:06:56.000 Think before we had, you know, driver's licenses and state IDs and this thing, the original election integrity was that you knew the people in your community because each precinct, the idea that a precinct is so small, the idea that it was so, that it was so tight-knit that you would go in there.
00:07:17.000 And I can remember this even in my own life.
00:07:18.000 I can remember going in and you see the same people working the elections and she says, oh, hey, Jack, I just saw your mom in this morning.
00:07:26.000 She came in earlier.
00:07:28.000 I think your dad's coming by later.
00:07:30.000 And it's going to, and this was the way.
00:07:33.000 This was the way that we made it all work.
00:07:36.000 But instead, somewhere along the line, it all got changed.
00:07:40.000 It all got changed around.
00:07:42.000 And that's what I'm saying we need to fix.
00:07:46.000 We got a lot going on out there, folks.
00:07:48.000 And also, it's Pride Month.
00:07:50.000 How are you celebrating?
00:07:52.000 Did your favorite brand, did your favorite branch of the United States military get visited by the Pride Fairy yet this week?
00:07:59.000 Well, my branch, the United States Navy, my beloved U.S. Navy, it was interesting.
00:08:04.000 So they had the Pride colors up for one day on their Twitter account.
00:08:10.000 They went rainbow, but then they switched back one day after.
00:08:13.000 Now, we don't know if that's because somebody, I don't know who would do this on Twitter was cyberbullying them, or is this the new policy that you're only going to be up for one day?
00:08:22.000 You're only going to be prideful for one day and then you switch.
00:08:25.000 Because we saw the exact same thing from MLB, Major League Baseball.
00:08:29.000 They went full in on Pride.
00:08:31.000 And by the way, this is, I don't know, what do you call this?
00:08:33.000 The progress flag, the bio PC flag, because they have the one that has the original rainbow plus the Pride, plus the transgender flag, plus the brown stripe and the black stripe.
00:08:46.000 So they're making sure to get every single division or gender, racial, et cetera, representation in.
00:08:54.000 But I got to say, you know, some of you guys, you're not going that hard. 0.86
00:08:58.000 You know, Major League Baseball, you've only got, for example, one, just one of your teams is celebrating the drag nuns. 0.90
00:09:06.000 And shouldn't it really be every Major League Baseball team showing their inclusion, showing their wonderful, being sarcastic, you haven't told, in June 16th coming up, the LA Dodgers, and they're going ahead with this. 0.95
00:09:19.000 In fact, one of these disgusting anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, anti-Jesus, anti-religion members of this hate group was going up and flying a pride flag in LA.
00:09:35.000 I saw the video yesterday. 0.95
00:09:37.000 And you see, I have this LA, I don't know if she's a manager, administrator, you know, county commissioner comes up. 0.76
00:09:42.000 Let's bring the sister as if it's totally normal.
00:09:44.000 It looked like a scene out of a movie, out of some like twisted version of the, you know, Dylan Mulvaney Hunger Games or something, where she's like, bring the sister up and we're going to raise the pride flag. 0.55
00:09:56.000 And then the pride flag goes up and this and everybody acts like doing this little clap, with a little bob haircut. 0.79
00:10:04.000 This is what our country is devolved into. 0.90
00:10:08.000 This is how bad we've gotten so far away from any basic.
00:10:13.000 Wait, do we actually have the clip of this?
00:10:15.000 Wait, somebody's telling me we have the clip of this.
00:10:17.000 We got into Ukraine.
00:10:19.000 How do you say that?
00:10:20.000 And then you also have said that if you're president, you can end this very quickly.
00:10:24.000 I'll say, if I'm president, and by the way, this is a much worse position than before it started.
00:10:31.000 Before it started, it was easy.
00:10:32.000 He wasn't going to do it.
00:10:33.000 And I had conversations.
00:10:35.000 And it was always the apple of his eye.
00:10:36.000 I mean, I could see that.
00:10:38.000 But I said, you're not going to do it.
00:10:40.000 And if you do it, we're going to have problems like you've never had before.
00:10:43.000 He understood.
00:10:43.000 I said things.
00:10:44.000 He said, you don't mean that.
00:10:45.000 I said, I mean it 100%.
00:10:47.000 And he didn't totally believe me, but he believed me 10%.
00:10:50.000 And that's all he had to do.
00:10:51.000 He knew that there was going to be a problem.
00:10:53.000 And I just said, President Xi, you're implying something here.
00:10:57.000 You basically said I'd obliterate you.
00:10:59.000 Is that what you said? 0.99
00:10:59.000 You said things that were very bad, very nasty. 0.99
00:11:03.000 And kind of like what.
00:11:09.000 And you know, I say, I got, I got it right.
00:11:12.000 And he said, you don't mean that.
00:11:14.000 It had to do with Moscow.
00:11:15.000 I said, he said, you don't mean that. 0.53
00:11:18.000 I said, I do.
00:11:19.000 I'll never talk about it again, but I do.
00:11:20.000 He said, you don't mean it.
00:11:21.000 You don't mean it.
00:11:22.000 And we then went on to other subjects.
00:11:25.000 But I don't think he believed me, but he believed me 10%.
00:11:28.000 That's all he had to believe me.
00:11:29.000 5% would be good enough.
00:11:31.000 But I had the same conversation with President Xi about Taiwan, President Xi of China.
00:11:35.000 You know, I watched both of the candidates out on the campaign trail yesterday.
00:11:39.000 There's other candidates out there, but we know that this is really a horse race between DeSantis and Trump right now.
00:11:44.000 Though actually in South Carolina, Nikki Haley is running neck and neck with Ron DeSantis.
00:11:49.000 Of course, that makes sense.
00:11:50.000 She was the governor there.
00:11:51.000 But when you hear that crowd, I think the real story of the Trump Town Hall in Iowa last night, it was Iowa, right?
00:11:58.000 Yeah, it was Iowa.
00:11:59.000 That the crowd was the real star in a sense, because even after all, it's been eight years, folks.
00:12:06.000 It's been eight years since the golden escalator.
00:12:09.000 And if anything, it feels like that resonance that this audience has, that the people of this country have for Trump, for President Trump.
00:12:18.000 If anything, it's increasing.
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00:13:26.000 I want to hear your thoughts on this ballot harvesting question because I understand.
00:13:29.000 I understand that it's different.
00:13:31.000 I understand that it's not the way that we've done things in the past.
00:13:34.000 But unfortunately, and keep in mind, I'm not talking about the 38 states that Republicans control.
00:13:38.000 I'm talking about those key swing states that are going to be a must-win, regardless of who the nominee is, regardless of who ends up coming out on top.
00:13:49.000 President Trump is ahead in all the polls, seeing some movement on the second tier.
00:13:53.000 So we'll see.
00:13:54.000 It looks like it'll be Trump, but even if it's not him, okay, even if it's not, it doesn't matter from this perspective, because while we're so focused on the strategic, Democrats and the left have been fighting back and winning at the tactical level.
00:14:10.000 However, there is a development in this, and the Washington Free Beacon has the story, even based on reporting from the New York Times.
00:14:21.000 You guys have to see this one.
00:14:22.000 And this is something that Charlie even sent me this morning.
00:14:24.000 That was the first place I saw it because this is huge.
00:14:27.000 Listen to this.
00:14:28.000 Even millennials are turning Republican data shows.
00:14:34.000 So that, remember the whole idea that we always said that it was sort of the refrain out there that, you know, these colleges are crazy.
00:14:41.000 They'll get off the campus.
00:14:43.000 They'll get to the real world.
00:14:44.000 They'll start having a paycheck.
00:14:45.000 They'll start having to pay taxes.
00:14:47.000 They'll start having a house.
00:14:48.000 They'll start having kids.
00:14:49.000 And eventually the millennials will become more conservative.
00:14:53.000 Keep in mind, this is a group, this is an age group that voted for Barack Obama by 30 points.
00:15:01.000 30 points.
00:15:03.000 However, now, if you look at the findings, they're only plus five or in some cases, plus four D.
00:15:11.000 That means it's closer, much closer to a 50-50 split among millennials.
00:15:18.000 Why is this?
00:15:19.000 And now, Nate Cohen of the New York Times, he's their chief political analyst.
00:15:23.000 Look, I think it actually does go back to economics.
00:15:26.000 And Andrew Reitbart has his famous adage, his now, I would say, iconic adage, that politics is downstream of culture.
00:15:34.000 Well, if I could add anything to that, all I would say is that culture is downstream of economics.
00:15:40.000 The millennial generation was hit, no, certainly wasn't hit with the most terrible situation that we've ever seen. 0.61
00:15:49.000 It wouldn't go through Vietnam.
00:15:51.000 We didn't go through World War II, but economically, millennials did take a hit.
00:15:55.000 It took a huge hit.
00:15:57.000 One of those was the Iraq War.
00:15:59.000 One of those was the Great Recession.
00:16:02.000 And when the Great Recession hit and the bailouts of the big banks and the massive money printing and the massive overspending hit, a lot of millennials went back to college and they saddled themselves on with more debt.
00:16:16.000 And then when they got out, not me, by the way, I joined the military.
00:16:20.000 And when they got on into the workforce, they realized that they couldn't afford rent.
00:16:27.000 They couldn't afford to get married.
00:16:29.000 They couldn't afford household formation.
00:16:30.000 So all of those things were put off.
00:16:32.000 All of those things were delayed. 0.99
00:16:33.000 You're not seeing this with Zoomers, by the way.
00:16:35.000 You're actually seeing Zoomers follow a much closer to the traditional trend.
00:16:40.000 But for millennials, family formation, household formation, marriage, all of these indicators of sort of moving from that adolescence into adulthood were delayed. 0.75
00:16:52.000 And of course, if you know anything about millennials, what do they all try to do?
00:16:56.000 They all try to remain adolescents forever.
00:16:59.000 Different conversation.
00:17:01.000 But listen to this.
00:17:02.000 While millennials overwhelmingly backed Obama, only half those same voters now in their 30s and or early 40s voted for Joe Biden in 2020, according to Times estimates.
00:17:11.000 Exit polls showed an even more drastic shift, with Biden winning by just 5145 among voters who were 18 to 27 in 2008.
00:17:22.000 That same group of voters, by the way, for the record, wrote in my dad that year, was not going to vote for John McCain.
00:17:28.000 That same group of voters preferred Democratic congressional candidates by just 10 points.
00:17:34.000 While Cohen wrote the findings may not seem stunning as almost every cohort of voters under 50 has shifted towards the right over the last decade, they cut sharply against a long-held Democratic article of faith.
00:17:46.000 For 20 years, they've been saying that this is the coalition of the ascendant.
00:17:50.000 Young voters, blacks, Hispanics, women would enshrine Democrats as the eternal majority, the eternal majority.
00:17:57.000 Well, you know something?
00:17:59.000 Organizations like Turning Point USA, like Turning Point Action, that have been out there standing in the gap, standing in the breach, going specifically to these campuses, going to all.
00:18:14.000 And by the way, this was not there.
00:18:16.000 Turning Point USA was not there when I was going through college.
00:18:19.000 I wish it had been, but it wasn't.
00:18:20.000 We had some other organizations, but none of them had the same vitality.
00:18:25.000 None of them had the same activism.
00:18:27.000 None of them had the same grassroots grit that Turning Point does. 0.97
00:18:33.000 And by focusing on these voters and now going and continuing to focus on Zoomers coming up through college now, there is a huge opportunity, an arbitrage opportunity for the right, for Republicans, for conservative victory by going to them with a pragmatic message. 0.98
00:18:55.000 All right, I got an important thing to share with you. 0.96
00:18:58.000 You are probably tired about all these left-wing progressive companies, and you're probably exhausted with trying to keep up with all their virtue signaling and their woke nonsense.
00:19:07.000 It's a question, right?
00:19:09.000 Why has corporate America decided to say we hate you to their customers?
00:19:14.000 I mean, I see Adidas.
00:19:15.000 Adidas might as well have a big sign that says, we hate you.
00:19:20.000 Look, progressive left-wing companies are taking over the market, and it's time for us to fight back.
00:19:26.000 I want to tell you about a company I really care about, run by a friend of mine who's a great American, and they're growing and they need your help, and it's very important.
00:19:34.000 Okay.
00:19:35.000 Look, we don't have to fund these companies, the left-wing companies.
00:19:38.000 We finally have an alternative, public square.
00:19:42.000 We have a solution.
00:19:44.000 I hear from people all the time: Charlie, how do we fight back?
00:19:46.000 Charlie, where are the options?
00:19:47.000 It's very simple.
00:19:48.000 It's publicsq.com.
00:19:50.000 Join the movement of millions of patriotic Americans who love truth, our country, and our Constitution at publicsq.com.
00:19:58.000 I use this app all the time when I'm traveling and also my local neighborhood.
00:20:02.000 It's an app and a website where you can get connected to tens of thousands of businesses from all different industries that share your values like life, family, and freedom.
00:20:12.000 Michael, who runs Public Square, does a fabulous job, and it's free to join as a consumer or a business owner.
00:20:18.000 And you can get started today at publicsq.com.
00:20:20.000 Download the app now.
00:20:21.000 That's publicsq.com.
00:20:23.000 How are we going to fight woke capital?
00:20:25.000 How are we going to fight these progressive companies?
00:20:27.000 How are public square?
00:20:29.000 They do a fabulous job.
00:20:31.000 I think the world of them, they're in the arena fighting back.
00:20:35.000 If you are a business owner, download the app.
00:20:38.000 If you are interested in supporting companies that aren't woke, download the app.
00:20:42.000 If you are traveling, you want to find a coffee shop that is not woke, download the app or go to publicsq.com.
00:20:49.000 I'm 100% behind them.
00:20:50.000 You're going to hear me talk about them a lot.
00:20:52.000 It's time for us to join forces and build the parallel economy.
00:20:57.000 Public Square, I have vetted them.
00:20:58.000 I've got to know them really well.
00:21:00.000 I've looked at the company deeply.
00:21:01.000 Fabulous people, ethical Christian, strong conservatives.
00:21:06.000 PublicSQ.com.
00:21:08.000 Go there right now.
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00:21:18.000 Our next couple of guests that I want to bring on as a guest when I am guest hosting on the Charlie Kirk show, it is, of course, Charlie Kirk himself, as well as Darren Beattie of Revolver News.
00:21:28.000 What's up, guys?
00:21:29.000 Charlie, have you ever been a guest on your own show before?
00:21:31.000 Once before with Alex Marlow.
00:21:33.000 But Jack, thank you for filling in.
00:21:36.000 Happy to be a passenger on this train.
00:21:38.000 Darren, welcome.
00:21:40.000 And most importantly, thank you to our incredibly flexible and tough, they're really tough tech team. 1.00
00:21:47.000 I got to tell you, the Wi-Fi situation, the Chinese must have hacked our grid or something. 0.71
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00:21:53.000 It's like everything goes out.
00:21:54.000 We're running around like crazy.
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00:21:57.000 So thank you guys.
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00:22:00.000 So, Jack, go ahead.
00:22:01.000 Yeah, no, I want to get Darren in.
00:22:03.000 And just as we were going up, happened to see, and maybe we can just kind of kick off what you guys think about this, that it looks like Elon Musk has invited.
00:22:14.000 So over on Twitter, which seems to be the center of almost everything, at least it's not on Rumble these days, he has invited RFK Jr. to a spaces discussion that we saw at the spaces with Ron DeSantis last week.
00:22:27.000 RFK Jr. had replied, yes, how's Monday at 2 p.m. Eastern?
00:22:31.000 So it looks as though we're seeing a booking and an announcement going on right now.
00:22:36.000 And the question is partially about the role of Twitter as, I mean, look, Twitter is already going to be in the history books because of Donald Trump and his use of it in 2016.
00:22:46.000 But also, I wanted to ask you guys what you think the effect of the Kennedy, or if you think there's been an effect of the Kennedy president or, you know, presidential campaign on this populist left.
00:22:57.000 It kind of used to be the role that Bernie played.
00:22:59.000 And yet all of a sudden, here comes RFK in an, you know, because Bernie basically lost his credibility.
00:23:05.000 But, you know, maybe I'm going too far.
00:23:06.000 What do you guys think?
00:23:07.000 Darren.
00:23:09.000 Well, as I've said before, I wholeheartedly welcome RFK's participation in the 2024 cycle.
00:23:19.000 I think he brings to table valuable perspective.
00:23:23.000 His big thing, as far as I'm aware, is COVID, or although I think he expanded beyond that, but simply his position on COVID, I think is critical to inject no unintended into the national conversation.
00:23:39.000 Especially, you know, on the left, you know, you point out he's sort of the counterpart to Bernie, a much improved version of Bernie, actually, but he brings that sort of populist accountability to the Democrats.
00:23:52.000 And the contrast between RFK and Biden is quite interesting.
00:23:58.000 And it looks like in, you know, every time Biden takes a spill, every time he takes a stumble, you know, every time, you know, he soils his diapers, so to speak, there's a lot of chatter on the left saying, gee, why aren't we going to open up this primary process?
00:24:15.000 So I think it adds a little bit of pressure there.
00:24:19.000 You know, if the Democrats open it up, then that's great.
00:24:22.000 It's sort of a game changer.
00:24:24.000 But if they don't, it just is going to aggravate a lot of people.
00:24:28.000 And so I think from a strategic perspective, from our point of view, it's good that he's in there, but also from a substantive perspective, because insofar as his main issue is COVID, which I think it's fair to say, as far as I can tell, he's right on the money when it comes to COVID.
00:24:47.000 And so I think it's really valuable to have that perspective in the conversation.
00:24:52.000 Well, Charlie, you're an expert on mass movements.
00:24:56.000 You're an expert on political trends.
00:24:58.000 Let me ask you kind of the same question, but from a different angle.
00:25:00.000 Do you think that RFK Jr., does his entrance in the race, does this poison the well for Biden with any demographic, any stripe of voters?
00:25:11.000 And meaningfully, is it a net negative or a net positive for the right or for the left?
00:25:16.000 I think both.
00:25:18.000 One of the most important things that we need to do is always move the Overton window.
00:25:21.000 And as soon as you run for president, you're immediately taken more seriously.
00:25:24.000 You know, RFK, he knows what he has.
00:25:27.000 And what he has is a revered and quite honestly sanctified last name in upper middle class white liberal circles, especially in the intelligentsia, which is Kennedy.
00:25:39.000 And so being from Camelot, he now has to be taken seriously immediately.
00:25:44.000 More so than, I mean, Mary Ann Williamson, you know, the crystal woman or whatever, like the chakra thing.
00:25:49.000 It's just no one takes that seriously.
00:25:51.000 But with Kennedy, it's different.
00:25:52.000 The orb queen.
00:25:54.000 Are you disparaging the orb queen, Charlie?
00:25:57.000 I'm not disparaging.
00:25:58.000 I mean, I wish her luck, right?
00:25:59.000 But I think she's kind of should wait.
00:26:04.000 She should be in the Far East somewhere teaching yogi retreats, right?
00:26:07.000 It's not exactly running for the American presidency.
00:26:09.000 Kennedy's different, though, right?
00:26:12.000 Yeah, the media has to figure out how to deal with Kennedy because he's relentless.
00:26:16.000 He knows his stuff, right?
00:26:19.000 Kennedy does have, you know, the issue with his voice, which people try to mock and make fun of, but he actually uses it to his advantage for his worldview, which he believes actually was because, he says, because of a vaccine injury.
00:26:30.000 Again, that's his opinion.
00:26:32.000 He certainly has some contrarian views on vaccines.
00:26:35.000 I find them interesting.
00:26:36.000 I don't know if he's right or not.
00:26:37.000 We've had him on the show.
00:26:38.000 I love what he talks about on the administrative state.
00:26:40.000 I love what he talks about fourth branch of government.
00:26:43.000 But what I think Kennedy is really doing, which is I think he knows he's probably not going to win the nomination.
00:26:48.000 He's not going to say that.
00:26:49.000 He won't acknowledge it or admit it.
00:26:51.000 But he has wanted for a long time to be taken seriously.
00:26:54.000 And now, because he is a presidential candidate and he's anybody but Biden and he has a last name of Kennedy, you know, he has 19 to 20% in polling.
00:27:02.000 Wall Street Journal just sat down for a long interview with him and they challenge him on the vaccine stuff.
00:27:06.000 He does a great job of pushing back on it, by the way.
00:27:08.000 He's very, very well read and incredibly articulate.
00:27:12.000 And I don't really think some of the counter arguments are nearly as has as much has as much punch because they immediately just try to call him names and all this, but he really understands the topics.
00:27:20.000 But putting the vaccine thing aside, because that's what people know him for, he also is, I think, one of the most articulate and deep thinkers when it comes to the threat of the administrative state, this unelected, unaccountable Leviathan, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Justice.
00:27:38.000 I mean, I think that's top line issue, whoever becomes president.
00:27:42.000 So what is RFK doing?
00:27:43.000 He is moving the Overton window.
00:27:45.000 I think he could potentially have a bridge between some center-left Democrats that are looking for somebody on the political sphere that thinks differently than kind of this corporatist Democrat Party, Democrat perspective.
00:28:01.000 And I think it helps the Republican side because, Jack, I was at an event in Idaho recently, and I said, what do you guys think of Nikki Haley?
00:28:09.000 Boo, people are going nuts.
00:28:11.000 What do you think of Mitt Romney? 0.99
00:28:13.000 They go even crazier.
00:28:14.000 What do you think of RFK Jr.?
00:28:16.000 The place goes nuts.
00:28:17.000 They love him.
00:28:18.000 I say, okay, we are under a kind of mass hypnotism of the Uniparty where we're supposed to hate Democrats and love Republicans.
00:28:27.000 Again, that's the kind of talking point mockingbird media stuff, right, Jack?
00:28:31.000 Every Republican good, every Democrat bad.
00:28:32.000 Meanwhile, they all do the same stuff.
00:28:34.000 I'm telling you, the grassroots aren't buying that nonsense.
00:28:36.000 When I talk to the grassroots, they have more good things to say about a Camelot Kennedy Democrat than someone who calls himself a Republican or herself a Republican.
00:28:46.000 I've experienced the exact same thing.
00:28:48.000 I'm telling you right now, this means that there's an 80 to 90% populist nationalist movement that I don't know if it will ever materialize.
00:28:56.000 It can.
00:28:57.000 There's a chance that this thing just explodes into a unbelievably historic William Jennings, Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt moment.
00:29:06.000 There's no guarantee of that because the crime syndicate running DC is incredibly powerful.
00:29:10.000 But RFK Jr., he's yeah, go ahead.
00:29:16.000 Is what you're talking about potentially a fusion or a coalition, maybe even a fusion ticket, perhaps?
00:29:24.000 Yeah, potentially.
00:29:26.000 I mean, Bannon has floated that.
00:29:27.000 I don't think that's a great idea, I'll be honest, just because, I mean, you kind of have to game out.
00:29:33.000 What if that person becomes president?
00:29:34.000 RFK is not a social conservative.
00:29:36.000 I am.
00:29:37.000 And so you have to kind of think about that.
00:29:38.000 But I think conceptually, Bannon is super smart and he's ahead of the curve, as always, where he's saying, hold on a second, there's more agreement between the Trump base and the RFK Jr. base.
00:29:48.000 It's not left versus right.
00:29:50.000 It's top versus bottom, right?
00:29:52.000 It's the people in charge that are crushing the ordinary normal people, the muscular class.
00:29:57.000 It's the laptop and Zoom class that did lockdowns, mass mandates, vaccine mandates, COVID-19 tyranny, trying to crush the everyday people, right?
00:30:06.000 And so I think it's really important that we're able to liberate the conversation.
00:30:10.000 I'm fully in support of RFK Jr. running against Joe Biden because the other thing that I think is the fraud of the Democrat Party.
00:30:17.000 If you want to talk about how, okay, how do we beat the woke?
00:30:20.000 How do we do this?
00:30:21.000 The fraud of the Democrat Party is that the vast majority of their base have deeply held beliefs that they do not want a small set of corporations running the country.
00:30:33.000 Yet the Democrat Party elite want a small set of corporations running the country.
00:30:37.000 That is a recipe for disaster in the Democrats.
00:30:40.000 And they know it.
00:30:41.000 That's why they have to talk about transing the kids and grooming and LGBT and the race stuff. 1.00
00:30:47.000 That is all a synthetic veneer.
00:30:49.000 And here's RFK, who basically just dodges the woke stuff and talks about the actual issue that we're living under a corporate oligarchy.
00:30:58.000 I'm telling you, we're going to win.
00:30:59.000 We can win big time on the issues, 2024, 26, 28, if we ballot harvest and all that.
00:31:05.000 Let's put that aside.
00:31:06.000 Let's pretend we get the machinery right.
00:31:07.000 Win on the actual political consensus building, Jack.
00:31:11.000 If and when we realize the Democrat Party is currently the energy Democrat Party speaks like AOC on corporations, but acts like Chuck Schumer when it comes to pharmaceutical companies.
00:31:24.000 That is incompatible and it's unsustainable.
00:31:28.000 And if RFK Jr. is able to kind of rip off the fraud and expose how the Democrat Party has basically become shills for the top 100 companies and has become basically a place to park our donations and we'll give you whatever you want in the government, man, he could do some serious damage for the Democrat coalition.
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00:32:56.000 Darren, what do you think?
00:32:57.000 Do you see, are you bullish on this idea of a populist left, populist right kind of coalition going forward, at least electorally?
00:33:10.000 Right.
00:33:10.000 No, it's a great question.
00:33:12.000 And I guess bullish would have to be, you know, relative to reasonable expectations.
00:33:18.000 I think we can get some mileage out of it, more mileage than we've gotten.
00:33:22.000 And again, on net, I think it's a huge positive that RFK is part of the conversation, part of the race.
00:33:31.000 And we talked about even 2015, 2016, the idea of some kind of broader reconfiguration or realignment of the politics became a central part of the conversation with Trump on one side and Bernie on the other side.
00:33:50.000 I do think there are limitations to this.
00:33:53.000 RFK himself has kind of vehemently rejected the notion of being on a ticket with Trump, but at the same time, he's going on media platforms and basically speaking to Trump's base.
00:34:04.000 So there's kind of a mixed message there.
00:34:07.000 Ultimately, though, you see a lot of these people on the left who are the kind of principled, anti-corporist, corporatist, anti-military industrial complex.
00:34:18.000 From what I've seen so far, there is a limit.
00:34:21.000 There's a line that they won't cross.
00:34:23.000 They don't want to enter the full pain box associated with, you know, actually, you know, being on the right.
00:34:31.000 And so far, that's imposed a certain amount of limitations.
00:34:35.000 You see exceptions.
00:34:36.000 To finish the point, I think the whole realignment idea has a genuine underlying substance to it.
00:34:45.000 But I think we kind of, through wishful thinking, maybe exaggerate what it can deliver.
00:34:52.000 There's a lot of commonality in terms of just challenging the establishment, and that's where the overlap comes from.
00:34:58.000 And we can articulate this in terms of the national security state, in terms of the bureaucracies, in terms of criticizing the media, criticizing corporations and so forth.
00:35:12.000 But where it really starts to get hot is when you get into those issues that invite the pain box.
00:35:19.000 And people are frankly scared.
00:35:21.000 Even a lot of people on the left, they find it safer to speak in the language of, oh, we're against corporations, this or that.
00:35:28.000 But when you get into the details, they're not quite prepared to align with somebody like Trump, who genuinely is taking on the establishment on all cylinders.
00:35:40.000 In the case of RFK, it's actually, there's a similar underlying dynamic, but I think it is inflected by the point that he's taking on the COVID issue, which I think is especially sacrosanct and protected.
00:35:58.000 So he's getting maybe more of the pain box, more of the treatment generally reserved for conservatives because he's touching the third rail of COVID.
00:36:11.000 But generally speaking, the people on the left, there's actually kind of an aggressive version of affirmative action in a way for people who are non-woke from the left.
00:36:24.000 And again, you can get some mileage out of them.
00:36:27.000 It's worth building those alliances and seeing how far that goes.
00:36:31.000 But I think we should also do it with managed expectations because so few people are really ready for that pain box of the sort that comes at you when you speak and act like Donald Trump.
00:36:47.000 That's exactly right.
00:36:48.000 But you know, and Charlie, you and I were chatting about this as well, that we are seeing some movement, at least in the corporate world, because we can see the external factors.
00:36:57.000 And externally, I was talking about this earlier that, and I said this on Human Events yesterday, I have not seen with a few very notable exceptions, Bud Light, Target, the LA Dodgers, I have not seen this massive outpouring of the rainbow pride celebration this year, the way we have in years past.
00:37:20.000 And it seems like even just for some of them, MLB, my beloved United States Navy, they changed the Twitter for one day.
00:37:25.000 They changed it right back.
00:37:27.000 Are we seeing Pride Month in retreat, Charlie?
00:37:30.000 Maybe. 0.83
00:37:30.000 And the question is, how big of a victory is that? 0.83
00:37:33.000 I mean, it is the state-run religion right now, right? 0.95
00:37:35.000 It is the official orthodoxy of the regime, which is LGBT kind of converging with race nonsense that creates this smokescreen type distraction away from us talking about the middle class disappearing and people's purchasing power evaporating and our borders remaining wide open. 0.95
00:37:51.000 So they have to keep these kind of holy relics of LGBT worship through the rainbow flag and race politics. 0.92
00:37:58.000 But to see this is fascinating, to see major corporations in the military back off a little bit, that goes against kind of some of the core dogmas that has driven the Uniparty left for quite some time, right? 0.83
00:38:13.000 They push forward on, they always play offense.
00:38:16.000 They keep the pressure on.
00:38:18.000 They use the enemy's counterattack to their own advantage to use Solinsky's own rules.
00:38:23.000 So this is interesting. 0.53
00:38:25.000 And is there a little bit of shame that is finally getting introduced into the pride equation?
00:38:30.000 This is an open question.
00:38:31.000 I mean, you have Elon Musk, and it's a big deal.
00:38:33.000 It's worthy of repeating.
00:38:34.000 I mean, the Daily Wire thing was confusing, and there were probably, there was like a mutiny among some of the engineers, but Elon Musk came out, the world's richest man.
00:38:42.000 And he said that misgendering somebody is not hate speech, and you're allowed to do it.
00:38:48.000 And fine.
00:38:48.000 In fact, I don't know if anyone was following it or Jack, you covered it.
00:38:51.000 It was this whole thing.
00:38:52.000 Daily Wire wanted to put What is a Woman on Twitter, fabulous film, Matt Walsh Heroes Work, best film in the last couple of years on the topic, without a doubt.
00:39:00.000 And Twitter pseudo-censored it, and Elon said they weren't.
00:39:03.000 It was this whole thing.
00:39:04.000 Elon, to his great credit, though, has now repromoted it on the main feed saying every parent needs to watch this video and it's seen by millions and millions of people.
00:39:13.000 So I think you mentioned it earlier, Jack. 0.74
00:39:15.000 But that's a blow to kind of the pride regime. 0.67
00:39:18.000 Target is now going to be kind of reclassified.
00:39:21.000 That's my Twitter exchange, Elon Musk, here today, and is going to be reclassified as a bearish stock.
00:39:27.000 Bud Light is down 25 to 30%.
00:39:30.000 And it's that the CNN headline here that we said that we were going to lead with if we had Wi-Fi was that, boy, Blake said it earlier, is that all of a sudden companies are afraid that there is a price to embracing pride.
00:39:44.000 Everybody in the audience, this is a sign of hope.
00:39:46.000 This goes to show that these wacky radical ideas do not have permanency by default, that you have agency, that you have purchasing power, that you stopping shopping and supporting good companies is starting to make an impact.
00:40:00.000 No, I think that's exactly right.
00:40:01.000 And I guess what I would suggest is that potentially that because you have people like an RFK, like some of these center left types that are out there banging this drama, and it's feeding into this narrative that creates the grassroots groundswell and that you need the moms.
00:40:20.000 And there's so moms there.
00:40:21.000 And you were talking about this earlier this week.
00:40:23.000 The TikTok moms, the Instagram moms, the mom fluencers who, and by the way, as we talked about with Zoom, with millennials and Zoomers are trending to the right.
00:40:34.000 It is stuff like this: that if you've got children under 10, I think all of us here have children under 10, that this is stuff that directly affects us.
00:40:44.000 It directly affects our families.
00:40:46.000 We realize how crazy it is.
00:40:48.000 We realize that when you are in those crucial years of family formation, when your kids are that young, they don't know anything about the world.
00:40:57.000 You know, they don't know anything other than what you're telling them how the world is, and they believe you and they trust you.
00:41:02.000 So if you are going to start introducing this stuff, like the Little League, by the way, the Little League, Little League Baseball, which last time I checked is not for adults.
00:41:10.000 Maybe Ron DeSantis could tell us about that as a former Little League World Series champion.
00:41:14.000 Could tell us why the Little League is now pushing the Pride Month that's out there as well.
00:41:21.000 They are not doing this for the purpose of introducing sexual and sexualized topics towards