The Charlie Kirk Show - Polling the Peace + The War Against Teacher Unions

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's June 22nd, Monday, here at the Y Refi Studios.

00:01:22.000 Blake, how are we doing?

00:01:23.000 Oh, we're doing splendid.

00:01:25.000 I will tell you what, I completely logged off this weekend.

00:01:29.000 Probably for the first time.

00:01:30.000 Charlie would tell you to do.

00:01:31.000 It was the first time that I went completely dark.

00:01:35.000 There's no tweets.

00:01:36.000 There's no.

00:01:37.000 Checking the phone, I literally touched grass and hung out with my family all weekend.

00:01:42.000 It was amazing, absolutely amazing.

00:01:46.000 So good for your mental health, I will tell you.

00:01:49.000 And I will also tell you when I did log back on, I was like, what a dumpster fire social media is.

00:01:56.000 So just remember there is a world outside, and it is amazing and wonderful.

00:02:01.000 I was actually in Colorado and to Telluride, I got invited there by some friends, hiked a mountain, went fishing.

00:02:09.000 Mountain biking.

00:02:10.000 It was amazing.

00:02:10.000 I haven't had a weekend like that in a long time.

00:02:12.000 And then I said, Blake, you need to go touch grass.

00:02:14.000 And then you proved to me that you actually did, in fact, touch grass this week.

00:02:17.000 I did, in fact.

00:02:19.000 Some children asked me to, after lunch after church, they asked me to roll down a hill for them.

00:02:26.000 So I did in my outfit.

00:02:28.000 I saw the video.

00:02:29.000 It was a proper roll in like a nice outfit.

00:02:32.000 It went pretty fast.

00:02:32.000 And then I realized how dizzy you get at my age when you roll.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, I was going to say.

00:02:36.000 I could barely stand up.

00:02:37.000 Good for you.

00:02:37.000 Well, good.

00:02:38.000 You need to do that.

00:02:39.000 And that is the basic lesson of my weekend.

00:02:42.000 I had the most wonderful Father's Day.

00:02:45.000 Thanks for asking.

00:02:45.000 You didn't ask, but that's okay.

00:02:46.000 And you guys did a great job on Friday.

00:02:48.000 I got a lot of great feedback, and I saw the emails coming through, so great job there.

00:02:52.000 So the news today really is multi front, it's multifaceted.

00:02:58.000 We've got the Tyler Robinson hearing that I'm getting updates on.

00:03:02.000 They're now deciding whether the defense can force Luna Lance Twiggs, the boyfriend, to appear in person during the preliminary trial.

00:03:10.000 Just to update the audience again, remind you, July 6th through the 10th is supposed to be the preliminary trial.

00:03:15.000 They're also.

00:03:17.000 Apparently, they were supposed to rule on a contempt sanction potentially on one of the prosecutors.

00:03:24.000 Remember, that goes back to the Daily Mail article that said the bullet didn't match, but it was a complete, terrible bastardization of a headline.

00:03:32.000 One of the prosecutors apparently said something to the press, clarifying what that actually meant.

00:03:37.000 Which, what does it actually mean, Blake?

00:03:39.000 It literally just means all they can say is the evidence does not conclusively demonstrate that it is a match because the bullet was destroyed.

00:03:48.000 Because the bullet was heavily damaged.

00:03:49.000 As opposed to the way they.

00:03:51.000 It could be.

00:03:52.000 It could be, but it's not proven to be.

00:03:54.000 And they're interpreting that as it is conclusively shown to not be from that gun.

00:03:59.000 That headline went viral from the Daily Mail, and they have a thousand other ways to link the suspect to the gun and to the bullet.

00:04:08.000 But the bullet was so badly damaged, they couldn't do the ballistic tests like they wanted to be able to do because it was so destroyed.

00:04:16.000 So it was a fake headline, and one of the prosecutors made a comment trying to clarify the record.

00:04:23.000 And that came after a defense motion, right?

00:04:25.000 So they felt like they needed to do that.

00:04:28.000 Now they're going to rule on that.

00:04:29.000 And basically, what I'm hearing from an insider.

00:04:32.000 Is he punted on it?

00:04:33.000 The judge Graff punted on it at the beginning of this hearing.

00:04:37.000 He will announce a ruling date to be announced at the end of the hearing.

00:04:41.000 And one of the suspicions here, and again, this is not anybody attached to this case.

00:04:46.000 This is, I'm talking to people that know the way court rulings tend to work.

00:04:50.000 And he said, let's see when he schedules the announcement.

00:04:54.000 If after the preliminary hearing, then he's going to reprimand the prosecutor.

00:04:58.000 What that could mean, it could be a fine, could just be like a public reprimand.

00:05:04.000 If he schedules, if Judge Graff schedules this before the preliminary hearing, he says, My gut is no contempt.

00:05:13.000 So we'll see what happens.

00:05:14.000 It could go either way.

00:05:15.000 I don't think it's necessarily a huge deal, anyways.

00:05:21.000 But we'll see.

00:05:22.000 It depends on what the sanction is that the judge decides if there is contempt.

00:05:26.000 And if there's not contempt, good.

00:05:27.000 Because I do think that there was a compelling issue.

00:05:32.000 There was a compelling issue with that headline.

00:05:34.000 But the bigger picture here is.

00:05:37.000 However, this happens, we're already seeing the case that the effort to get justice for Charlie's murder has already been mangled by people online, and you know who we're referring to, who are obsessed with arguing for Tyler Robinson's innocence, who are going to run with anything they can grasp at to push this because they want to promote their alternative theories that endlessly revolve around attacking the people close to Charlie,

00:06:05.000 and let's be frank, attacking Israel because they're obsessed with doing that all of the time.

00:06:08.000 And that's why that headline went viral.

00:06:10.000 That's why that prosecutor, if they'd made the mistake of breaking the rules and talking to the press, that's why they did it.

00:06:15.000 And this is all downstream of that.

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 Well, talking about how crazy the online space was this weekend and how I was woefully or I was blissfully unaware of it.

00:06:28.000 Blake was getting into the fray there.

00:06:29.000 But yeah, I mean, listen, here's the thing.

00:06:32.000 There are a couple new updates.

00:06:33.000 So they have a video of Lance Twiggs, basically, that the prosecution wants to show.

00:06:42.000 During this preliminary hearing, the defense has asked that Luna Lance Twiggs or whatever needs to come in in person.

00:06:51.000 And they basically said no in person.

00:06:53.000 So the judge just ruled that he's not going to allow the defense to issue a subpoena.

00:06:58.000 And he is going, Judge Graff is going to allow hearsay at the preliminary trial.

00:07:04.000 So it's not the trial itself.

00:07:05.000 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 So it's not the trial itself.

00:07:07.000 It's a whole, again, you've got a preliminary hearing and then you've got the actual trial that's going to.

00:07:13.000 Be, you know, much more involved and the rules would change.

00:07:16.000 The preliminary hearing is basically laying out the case, the state's case against Tyler Robinson, which, again, our perspective on this is it's overwhelming and, you know, multifaceted.

00:07:29.000 There's tons of different aspects to it.

00:07:31.000 There's DNA, there's video, there's all kinds of things.

00:07:34.000 So, anyways, that's the update.

00:07:36.000 I will, the judge is still reading apparently right now.

00:07:39.000 So I will have more updates as the hour continues.

00:07:42.000 We're monitoring it, obviously, very, very closely.

00:07:45.000 And, You know, we've got a whole bunch we're going to get into with Iran, tons of updates there, but let's just end this by reflecting on the fact that this was Father's Day.

00:07:55.000 And, you know, this was the first Father's Day that Erica and her children and Charlie's children didn't have their father around.

00:08:01.000 So it was very, they were all I thought about yesterday.

00:08:06.000 Besides my time with my own kids, it was a terrible reminder of what we had lost and what Erica has lost and what those children have lost.

00:08:15.000 And so, you know, yeah, we've got court updates and we've got Iran updates and there's internet drama and all these types of things.

00:08:24.000 But, This, what you're looking at on your screen right now, is what matters is that Charlie wasn't here for his kids on Father's Day.

00:08:32.000 And that's heartbreaking.

00:08:35.000 And, you know, that's what's really important.

00:08:39.000 I will tell you this whole weekend, Blake, was like a reminder to me of what is really important.

00:08:45.000 And it's family, it's making sure we can live in a country safely, that we can say what we believe in safety and not having to fear an assassin's bullet.

00:08:57.000 It's making sure that this beautiful country that we have continues moving forward and health as a healthy democracy, a representative republic, a constitutional republic.

00:09:11.000 And, anyways, that's my big takeaway from this weekend is that if you are looking at everything online and that's all you can see, then you literally should remember that family is what's most important and that staying close to the Lord is what's most important.

00:09:28.000 And, Just go touch grass, go roll down a hill because it will do you some serious good.

00:09:35.000 And so, anyways, we remember Erica and the kids, and we pray for them and we're with them, have their back 100%.

00:09:45.000 Update Lance Twiggs, the trans identifying lover of Tyler Robinson, will not be required to testify in person.

00:09:56.000 So, the defense's motion did not succeed.

00:10:01.000 I think that's a good thing for the prosecution in the state and candidly for the preliminary hearing.

00:10:08.000 It might be different at the trial, but they've got them on video already and they get to show that.

00:10:11.000 It's just, it's so bizarre where this preliminary hearing is now this week long thing and it is not the trial.

00:10:18.000 It is the prelude to the trial before a plea is even entered.

00:10:22.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.000 The whole thing is infuriating if you're on our end of it.

00:10:26.000 I will tell you listen, we want justice, we want the truth, but this is like, it just, and this is what happens in a capital case.

00:10:34.000 By the way, For the contempt, you know, the contempt against the prosecution, the defense is asking that they remove the death penalty as one of the sanctions.

00:10:44.000 That's one of the reasons.

00:10:45.000 That's what we mentioned.

00:10:45.000 It's not going to happen.

00:10:46.000 It's not going to happen.

00:10:46.000 I mean, who knows?

00:10:47.000 It's crazy that they're even asking for that.

00:10:49.000 It is, but it's just everything about this.

00:10:51.000 We've mentioned this before that a big thing that's driving all of the weird psychosis around this case that you and I know exist is how incredibly long it's taking to do everything.

00:11:04.000 I'll be frank, I don't think this case, I don't think the details of this case require that it need a two or three year criminal justice process.

00:11:04.000 And.

00:11:15.000 I think the evidence is fairly straightforward.

00:11:18.000 And I think the public needs to see justice done in a timely manner.

00:11:24.000 And this is worth thinking about that we should consider do we need to change our laws?

00:11:28.000 Do we need to change our approach to prosecutions, criminal justice?

00:11:31.000 Maybe expand the budget for them to make sure that trials can happen in a timely manner for infamous crimes.

00:11:39.000 Because otherwise, you just have these people endlessly agitating.

00:11:42.000 They want updates, they want developments, and it's taking a year to get anything done.

00:11:48.000 Yeah.

00:11:49.000 So, just as we continue updating from this, the court is prioritizing matters that would impact preliminary hearings.

00:11:55.000 So, therefore, he punted on the contempt.

00:11:57.000 He is announcing the contempt on Friday.

00:12:00.000 So, his decision on the contempt will happen on Friday.

00:12:03.000 But I think the big news right now is that Lance Twiggs will not be showing up in person.

00:12:09.000 The video will suffice for the preliminary hearing.

00:12:11.000 That's what you need to know.

00:12:12.000 So, we are getting the video downloaded, and we'll show you that as we get it.

00:12:17.000 Again, all happening in real time.

00:12:19.000 Want to talk about Iran.

00:12:20.000 So there was this huge dust up over the weekend, but the big news is that JD Vance is out front and he is basically saying huge progress is being made.

00:12:32.000 And I just can't help but notice, Blake, you and I, quietly behind the scenes, much like Charlie, we're kind of very skeptical about going in.

00:12:41.000 You can always choose when to start, can't choose when to end a war, right?

00:12:44.000 We've said that again and again. 0.70

00:12:45.000 Now Iran is willing to concede on the nuclear, and they're going to be - that's the big headline that you see on your screen. 0.83

00:12:51.000 Iran will let UN nuke inspectors back in.

00:12:54.000 Could buy U.S. crops with billions in unfrozen assets, according to JD Vance.

00:12:58.000 So let's go through these details.

00:13:00.000 So apparently, JD Vance gave a press conference earlier this morning, kind of addressing some of the updates.

00:13:06.000 Were the Iranians trying to walk out of the meeting?

00:13:08.000 He said they threatened to, but they didn't. 0.98

00:13:11.000 So they're still here.

00:13:12.000 He called it talking trash, talking about if we unfreeze these assets, then what would happen with that money?

00:13:19.000 There needs to be an inspection regime so they can't use them to fund terrorism.

00:13:24.000 So, what is the suggestion that they use those?

00:13:27.000 Billions of dollars of unfrozen assets to buy American produce to feed their people.

00:13:33.000 So these are really interesting creative mechanisms.

00:13:36.000 Now, none of this has been signed on the dotted line.

00:13:38.000 There's still conflict going on in Lebanon, back and forth with Israel.

00:13:43.000 I'm telling you, the same people that are opposing this peace deal were the same people that were really pushing for an escalation of this conflict, and the same people that did not want President Trump to run again, the same people that did not want him to run in the first.

00:13:58.000 Time in 2016, it's almost like you've seen the roles reverse, and that is a very telltale sign that this is probably a really good deal for the American people.

00:14:07.000 Okay.

00:14:08.000 New polling has come out.

00:14:09.000 We're going to talk with Rich Barris in the next segment.

00:14:11.000 That 70% of Americans want to see peace.

00:14:14.000 They think now is the right time to get to peace, and there's a lot of people really upset about that.

00:14:18.000 A lot of people are, and I think that I think you're seeing a big split here, and we'll talk to Rich about that for sure, which is I think there's a lot of people who are, we'll be frank, they're big war hawks in DC.

00:14:28.000 They really want.

00:14:29.000 To take out the Iran regime and any peace deal short of that will upset them.

00:14:33.000 You have others who I think are very sensitive to just, oh, it's less than we could get. 0.78

00:14:38.000 Like once we're in war, we shouldn't settle for less than a very clear cut big victory.

00:14:43.000 But I think the American people just want to be focused on at home.

00:14:47.000 100%. 0.93

00:14:48.000 And they'll willingly take a deal that makes some concessions to the Iranians, that is much more of a compromise look than a total unconditional surrender look to it.

00:14:58.000 And I think they'll be grateful for that, even if it's not what the DC. 0.62

00:15:02.000 People who are invested in Northrop Grumman want.

00:15:04.000 Yeah, and I want to get into this trash talk thing, and it's well said, Blake.

00:15:08.000 Sot 26. 0.92

00:15:09.000 What we told the Iranians yesterday is when you guys engage in what us millennials might call trash talk, you can't expect the President of the United States not to respond and not to correct the record. 0.90

00:15:20.000 So when they say things that aren't true, the President is going to respond to it. 0.99

00:15:25.000 I'm going to respond to it.

00:15:26.000 Americans are going to respond to it.

00:15:28.000 When they make threats that aren't rooted in reality, they have to accept that the President of the United States is actually going to set the record straight.

00:15:35.000 That's all that happened.

00:15:36.000 So, yes, there was a little bit of threatening, there was a little bit of whining, but at the end of the day, the talks continued and we made great progress. 1.00

00:15:43.000 Yeah, so this is what Iran does, right? 1.00

00:15:45.000 And the question is, does this mean they're ever going to be capable of behaving in good faith? 1.00

00:15:50.000 They trash talk. 0.99

00:15:51.000 I mean, during, they were literally getting the absolute crap blown out of them by the U.S. military. 0.99

00:15:58.000 And they were still on social media, you know, threatening the day of reckoning is coming and all this stuff.

00:16:02.000 And they were going to defeat.

00:16:03.000 No, listen, this is what they do to save face.

00:16:06.000 So if you're really interested in peace, you understand that you have to let them save face.

00:16:11.000 President Trump's going to, he's also going to trash talk, let's be honest.

00:16:15.000 And you got to remember, we have not unfrozen anything.

00:16:18.000 There is now oil, yes, moving through the straits.

00:16:20.000 That's a good thing for energy prices throughout the world.

00:16:23.000 But you have to concede some things.

00:16:25.000 You got to actually kind of say, hey, you can do X, but we get Y, right?

00:16:30.000 That's the way a negotiation works, okay?

00:16:32.000 And we're going to have Steve Dace on in hour two.

00:16:35.000 And we're going to talk about what do these detractors that don't want peace want?

00:16:39.000 What is the alternative that they could possibly be seeking?

00:16:43.000 I haven't heard a good explanation yet.

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00:17:46.000 All right, Rich Barris, Big Data Poll, the People's Pundit.

00:17:50.000 Rich, we got to talk about peace.

00:17:52.000 How popular is it?

00:17:54.000 And I'm going to play this clip to set up this segment for us.

00:17:54.000 Is peace.

00:17:57.000 Now, I want to say I spoke with Bhatia this morning.

00:17:57.000 Okay.

00:18:01.000 She's very against it. 0.54

00:18:02.000 Bhatia Ungar Sargon.

00:18:03.000 She's disappointed in this.

00:18:05.000 Probably have her on the show, actually, probably tomorrow to talk with her about it.

00:18:09.000 Because, I mean, I think she's sincere in her beliefs.

00:18:11.000 But I'm going to play the clip and then we'll talk about what the polling shows.

00:18:16.000 SOT 27.

00:18:17.000 Vice President JD Vance has had a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week on a media tour for his new book about his Catholic.

00:18:24.000 Conversion, Vance was the only administration official defending the president's memorandum of understanding with Iran.

00:18:30.000 And for five days straight, the vice president gaslit, smeared, prevaricated, and straight up lied to our faces about what was in the MOU, why it wasn't being released, and a host of other things.

00:18:41.000 Here's the truth Vice President JD Vance just brought the great United States to its knees with a humiliating deal weeks before our 250th birthday.

00:18:53.000 And he's decided, like many before him, to blame Israel.

00:18:57.000 For the mess his administration created.

00:19:00.000 If this was a dry run for 2028, it was at least very clarifying.

00:19:07.000 So she didn't pull any punches there.

00:19:09.000 And what was interesting, and this is why I called her, I said, I really believe that you are saying these things sincerely.

00:19:16.000 I just couldn't disagree with you more forcefully.

00:19:21.000 I actually think that it was not a very bad week, Rich, for the vice president.

00:19:26.000 I think, if anything, I've been hearing his stock has been rising.

00:19:28.000 People are really impressed with how he's comported himself, how he's been.

00:19:32.000 Engaging in his interviews and fighting for his viewpoint and making a great case to the American people.

00:19:38.000 That's my POV.

00:19:39.000 What does the poll show, Rich?

00:19:41.000 Look, yeah, I mean, there's a personal opinion.

00:19:44.000 And oh, by the way, of course, thanks for having me on.

00:19:47.000 There's a personal opinion, Andrew, that you may not agree with.

00:19:51.000 And I think that's what she's getting mixed up here.

00:19:53.000 There's your feelings, and then there's reality and what the country thinks.

00:19:58.000 And the reality is, Vance's stock has risen as empirically we can prove this.

00:20:04.000 He's up 10 points in nomination polling, which we're doing.

00:20:06.000 It'll probably be out tomorrow if I don't get it out later today.

00:20:09.000 The peace deal is basically 80 20 positive or popular.

00:20:14.000 And we have to keep in mind that this war was not popular.

00:20:19.000 And I think what people who support it didn't seem to understand is that this deal, whether we like it or not, is a consequence of starting a war without the support of the American public behind you, which means that any military solution that you think you can achieve is not really a viable option.

00:20:38.000 You're just completely duping yourself into believing that the United States of America and the voters of America are going to take thousands and thousands of casualties.

00:20:47.000 While armies of U.S. soldiers go marching into Iran to grab uranium that they don't care about, Andrew.

00:20:54.000 Like, this isn't, come on, this is a little bit loony.

00:20:57.000 Just to give you an idea, the president hasn't been able to creep above 42% since this war started.

00:21:02.000 That's the reality of this situation.

00:21:04.000 He's going to get about a 10 point net bump in approval in our poll from the last one that we released last month.

00:21:10.000 The generic ballot is already tightening, it's not where it needs to be.

00:21:14.000 But the last generic ballot that we put out was the largest lead for any party in the history of our polling.

00:21:19.000 Democrats had a 13 point lead.

00:21:21.000 Which was up from an 11 point lead the month before.

00:21:24.000 This was all to punish the Republican Party and the Trump administration for starting a war they explicitly stated they did not want, period.

00:21:32.000 So, you know, the vice president, this is another thing I'd say about that with him specifically, is that when we started right after the deal was announced, it was popular because people were knee jerk saying, yes, I support it because I didn't support the war.

00:21:45.000 But as time went on, we were interested to see what would happen to that margin because it would tell us whether or not the vice president was effectively selling it.

00:21:53.000 And whether people were reacting in a positive way to what he was saying.

00:21:56.000 The vice president had a stellar week last week.

00:21:58.000 His stock rose.

00:22:00.000 He got more support as the days went on for this deal, even though we can see, because you and I are in this business, we can see how much pushback, even from the president's own supposed side, how much pushback it got.

00:22:12.000 So, despite all of that pushback and despite how loud they were, the opposition to the deal was, they still lost the argument.

00:22:19.000 What does that tell you?

00:22:20.000 You know, what's interesting to me is I've had this suspicion the entire time that the loudest voices pushing for escalation, and again, Bhatia is a friend.

00:22:30.000 I believe she means this sincerely.

00:22:32.000 This is not a personal attack on her at all.

00:22:34.000 I actually sort of just mean the wider ecosystem.

00:22:37.000 I've not been convinced that they have any real constituency, actually.

00:22:41.000 I think they've.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, I think peace is incredibly popular, and your point is well made.

00:22:46.000 This was exactly my pushback.

00:22:48.000 I said, listen, you guys want a treaty of Versailles kind of scenario.

00:22:54.000 They don't want that.

00:22:55.000 They want the defeat of Germany and Japan in World War II.

00:22:59.000 Yes, that's not what this was about.

00:23:00.000 Yes.

00:23:01.000 This was not what this is about.

00:23:02.000 And I said this last week, and we're actually going to talk about this in an hour or two with Steve Dace.

00:23:07.000 And he's, you know, Steve Dace is like a Gen Xer, like, you know, steeped in, you know, triumphalism, Americana, let's, you know, blow up the bad guys.

00:23:17.000 Like, he'll admit, like, that's the way he's kind of wired.

00:23:19.000 And he's like, I don't know what the alternative here is, though.

00:23:22.000 Like, what?

00:23:23.000 And I could make the case, though, and this is what I said last week, that a weakened regime remaining intact in Iran could ultimately be the best thing.

00:23:33.000 For the region, because it doesn't fall into some sort of civil war, sectarian violence situation that we saw in Iraq, right? 0.90

00:23:41.000 So, keeping the current structure in place here, the Iranian people want to overthrow their government in the coming months, more power to them. 0.81

00:23:50.000 But should that be our job? 0.97

00:23:52.000 And I make the argument very much no.

00:23:54.000 We've learned those lessons in the past, and the polling reflects that the American people have internalized those lessons.

00:24:00.000 Andrew, they're not ignorant here.

00:24:02.000 This is what I think the pro war side never understood.

00:24:06.000 The American public is not, they're not ignorant to the facts.

00:24:09.000 The truth is, they've been through this before and they don't care.

00:24:13.000 The risks to them are not great enough to ultimately pay the cost that they're being asked to pay, especially not after we've been down this road before.

00:24:23.000 It was a long road to Baghdad, as the book is appropriately titled.

00:24:27.000 And they learned a lot of lessons along that road.

00:24:30.000 And now here we are, after electing the peace ticket, trying to repeat the same mistake.

00:24:36.000 The alternative is what we all have been saying it is.

00:24:39.000 This was never.

00:24:41.000 Um, in truth, we were never really having a completely honest argument with each other, and the fact is, the American public knew that they understood, Rich.

00:24:50.000 I totally agree.

00:24:51.000 There's this second poll that was part of the CBS.

00:24:54.000 You said you got the similar numbers, very similar.

00:24:57.000 Okay, yeah, when you sent that to me, it looks very simple.

00:25:00.000 And then check this out, though so, so make heads or tails of this, yeah.

00:25:04.000 31%.

00:25:05.000 So, has the U.S. permanently stopped Iran's nuclear program?

00:25:08.000 JD Vance is making this making the case that, yeah, this will essentially stop.

00:25:12.000 They're conceding so much on nuclear.

00:25:15.000 That we will effectively have rendered it an impossibility, okay?

00:25:19.000 But the American people don't believe that.

00:25:20.000 They say 31%, yes, this is done.

00:25:23.000 69%, no, not done.

00:25:25.000 How do you make heads or tails of the first poll that says, yeah, let's make peace?

00:25:29.000 And the second piece of this poll that says, yeah, their nuclear ambitions are not done?

00:25:33.000 Just to be clear, too, so people understand when it comes out, we give an unsure option.

00:25:38.000 I don't know.

00:25:39.000 And that's the only difference you'll see between our numbers and CBS, for instance, because they don't give an unsure.

00:25:44.000 You have to pick one or the other.

00:25:45.000 How do we make heads or tails of this? 0.75

00:25:47.000 Actually, I think it's, I know it makes, it seems like it's inconsistent, but it really isn't because I think you have a certain group who's saying no, not done, because they're looking toward, you know, the negotiation process and all of this being finalized before they're willing to say, yeah, I think we sufficiently curb their nuclear program. 0.54

00:26:06.000 So they're waiting for the, you know, not a war ending here, Andrew, right?

00:26:11.000 But the negotiation process that the vice president's promising them.

00:26:15.000 So I think some people are saying that.

00:26:17.000 And then there is another group of people, which again is a hard hurdle for this pro war group to climb.

00:26:23.000 I mean, it's just a hard hurdle for them to jump.

00:26:25.000 It's hard to convince the country to do something like this when you have an entire group, it's anywhere between 25, 35% at any given time in the country, that basically says, what right do we have to tell another country they can't defend themselves with nuclear weapons?

00:26:39.000 I mean, they just, we're arguing a regime, certain regimes aren't allowed to have certain weapons.

00:26:46.000 And the fact of the matter is, a very significant Percentage of the American public doesn't even agree with that.

00:26:52.000 So when they say no, it's not done, it's because some of them think that eventually Iran probably will get a nuclear weapon.

00:26:58.000 And it's not really our prerogative to tell countries around the world that they can.

00:27:02.000 And to be clear, what do these people think when they see these things?

00:27:06.000 Kim Jong Un was supposed to be a monster, too, guys.

00:27:08.000 I mean, he was supposed to be this irrational actor who couldn't get nuclear weapons or ICBMs because if he did, Seoul wouldn't exist the next day. 0.93

00:27:16.000 Japan wouldn't exist the next day.

00:27:18.000 Meanwhile, here we are. 1.00

00:27:19.000 He's got them.

00:27:20.000 Pakistan, obviously, in the region as well.

00:27:22.000 They were supposed to.

00:27:23.000 This is a country that housed Osama bin Laden a few miles from the main Intel Center for years.

00:27:29.000 Yeah.

00:27:30.000 I mean, Rich, you know, this is why there was such a vocal opposition to Elbridge Colby.

00:27:30.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:27:35.000 And Charlie really supported Elbridge Colby because Elbridge had published a paper, you know, sort of arguing that there could be a realism, a pragmatic realism approach to Iran, even if it had nukes, right?

00:27:48.000 Now, President Trump has said that's not an option, okay?

00:27:50.000 So he went in and dealt with it.

00:27:52.000 If you get that concession, again, what is the alternative?

00:27:56.000 50,000 troops?

00:27:57.000 100,000 troops?

00:27:58.000 How many dead Americans?

00:27:59.000 Who's deploying?

00:28:00.000 Where?

00:28:00.000 How long?

00:28:01.000 How much is it going to cost?

00:28:02.000 What's the price of oil going to be?

00:28:04.000 Nobody can answer those questions if the alternative is.

00:28:08.000 I mean, how long are you going to keep the blockade going?

00:28:11.000 I'm just thinking about that gap we saw in the numbers.

00:28:13.000 31% think the nuclear program is taken down.

00:28:16.000 What was it?

00:28:16.000 78%, 75% say end the war ASAP without getting more concessions.

00:28:23.000 That's over 40% of the country.

00:28:25.000 That's basically by itself a chunk that could nearly win a presidential election.

00:28:30.000 And I just think we wanted to talk about JD's presidential stock.

00:28:34.000 And I sense is in DC, Maybe it's falling.

00:28:37.000 There's a lot of people angry.

00:28:38.000 But I think, dive into this, Rich.

00:28:42.000 I just think they're going to get a rude awakening about what the priorities of the American people are.

00:28:46.000 It's a lot like it reminds me of when President Trump was saying stuff about Mexico, saying the stuff about people coming from crap hole countries, and everyone's saying, oh, Trump's done now. 0.51

00:28:55.000 And then it turned out, oh, it pulled great.

00:28:57.000 All of his stuff was pulling amazingly.

00:28:59.000 I think they're going to get a similar awakening on Iran here.

00:29:02.000 Do you remember, guys, when Donald Trump said, you know, well, I like people who don't get caught?

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 Or something with John McCain.

00:29:09.000 And everybody, yeah, and everyone had this meltdown.

00:29:12.000 Meanwhile, the rest of America was chuckling, like, look, we honor John McCain's service, but that was kind of funny.

00:29:18.000 And we got what he said.

00:29:20.000 They are going to get a rude awakening.

00:29:22.000 And it's honestly unbelievable to me that, you know, what, pulling the Trump coalition now for 10 years, it's honestly unbelievable to me how few people still get it, still really understand.

00:29:32.000 They wanted to go backward, guys.

00:29:34.000 They wanted to regress this coalition and go back to a brand of republicanism that cannot, I don't mean has a smaller chance.

00:29:42.000 Cannot win a presidential election.

00:29:45.000 I don't want to throw names out there because I like some of these people, but some of the alternatives to JD Vance that we hear from the more pro war crowd, they're living in their own bubble. 0.99

00:29:54.000 They're Dolulu guys. 0.92

00:29:56.000 There's no chance any of those guys will ever win Wisconsin, will ever win Michigan, will ever win Pennsylvania. 1.00

00:30:02.000 They can't win a single one of those states, let alone all three, which they typically vote together regardless.

00:30:07.000 These are anti war states, they're populist states, they're not Republican states.

00:30:12.000 Even we can see with the polling that's out now.

00:30:14.000 States like Ohio and Iowa, Donald Trump won by huge margins when Republicans couldn't even win them.

00:30:21.000 Let's not forget, it was only a few years before Barack Obama humiliated Mitt Romney and he won all of those states.

00:30:29.000 These are states that pivoted 31 counties in Iowa alone.

00:30:32.000 It's got the largest number of pivot counties.

00:30:34.000 31 of them.

00:30:35.000 When you look at those counties, why did they go from Obama in 08 to 12 and then to Donald Trump?

00:30:40.000 You could almost dumb it down with one single sentence Donald Trump wanted to prioritize the working man and woman in this country.

00:30:46.000 Over what DC prioritizes and has for many decades, which is the war machine and whatever makes the ruling class rich.

00:30:53.000 Let me give people a couple of numbers here.

00:30:55.000 When JD Vance, before the war, JD Vance was polling, typically between 40 to 55% in the nomination.

00:31:02.000 Even when the war was going on and people were mad, he fell to the mid to high 30s.

00:31:07.000 That's still a historic lead for a nomination on the Republican side for any presidential candidate.

00:31:13.000 Rich, Rich, when you're saying polling, you said like.

00:31:15.000 I gave you one idea.

00:31:16.000 When you're talking about polling, though, you're saying who do you think should be the standard bearer?

00:31:20.000 The nominee.

00:31:21.000 Yes, exactly.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, just to clear, yes, just to make sure everybody understands that for the nomination, the 2028 nomination.

00:31:28.000 And, you know, not to throw this out there, you know, to say, you know, we're not, you know, measuring here, but that is historic.

00:31:34.000 His lead has been historic.

00:31:36.000 And now, since this peace deal, he's back up to where he was just below his all time highs.

00:31:42.000 So, why?

00:31:43.000 Because people were upset about the war.

00:31:45.000 Just to give everybody some, this is a very important stat, or it's not even really a stat, it's basic math that everyone needs to get through their heads now, which is why, by the way, Joshua and I wrote Burn It Down.

00:31:57.000 You have a wing of this coalition that is very loud and has a lot of money.

00:32:02.000 They're also dying.

00:32:03.000 There's no other nice way to put it.

00:32:05.000 They're dying and there's no growth potential because nobody younger in younger generations sees the world that way they do.

00:32:12.000 And of course, it's statistics, not nobody.

00:32:14.000 You'll find some people, but the tiny amount is not enough to replenish their ranks when the Silent Gen and Boomer One dies.

00:32:21.000 It's that simple.

00:32:22.000 And the only faction of the right wing coalition that has a platform that appeals to Gen X and down.

00:32:29.000 Is the populist anti war base.

00:32:32.000 So, this idea we're somehow going to return to Bushism, and there's this whole faction that opposes JD Vance, and they're going to get an alternative nominated.

00:32:41.000 I'm sorry, I'm just going to say it. 0.99

00:32:42.000 You're going to get a Ted Cruz or a Marco Rubio nominated over JD Vance, and then they somehow have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a national election is not only laughable to people who actually understand the numbers, it's not only ridiculous, and Democrats on the other side are just laughing hysterically at how stupid some people could possibly be. 0.97

00:33:01.000 But it's actually insulting at this point. 0.63

00:33:03.000 It's insulting to the voters that you would do this, that you would not see the A B comparison here.

00:33:09.000 You couldn't win a national election to save your life, then you killed the party.

00:33:14.000 Donald Trump came around and resurrected it like Lazarus, walks it out of the tomb, and makes it a national viable force.

00:33:20.000 And your response is to what? 0.99

00:33:22.000 Go back and start another unpopular, stupid war in the Middle East and then trash everybody who represents the faction that's actually growing? 1.00

00:33:29.000 This is basic arithmetic. 1.00

00:33:31.000 The neocon faction doesn't have a coalition. 1.00

00:33:34.000 If you go back, regress, and redo this stupidity again all over, you may not recover this time. 0.98

00:33:42.000 I think a lot of people in America have this false sense of security where you can keep making the same mistakes over and over again, but we're so strong we can weather them and we can take them, and there's not going to be any permanent or long term consequences for bad policy. 0.98

00:33:56.000 Well, you better wake up because every nation is susceptible to the laws of nature and nature's God, and every nation lives in the international system.

00:34:04.000 And I'll just, you know, I say this to I said it to her.

00:34:08.000 I don't think she'd have a problem.

00:34:09.000 I said it to Bhatia this morning when I called her.

00:34:10.000 I just wanted to understand her POV.

00:34:13.000 And again, I hope she's going to come on tomorrow and we'll talk about it.

00:34:16.000 But if you care about peace in the Middle East, wouldn't you want to at least offer an olive branch to say, hey, Iran, if you act in good behavior, we will treat you as a sort of normalized country on some level?

00:34:30.000 And by the way, if you want Israel to be safe, them not having a nuclear weapon seems like a pretty big concession.

00:34:37.000 You know, and JD Vance has announced that they're going to be letting the UN inspectors back in, possibly even like this week or something.

00:34:43.000 I mean, it could be really quickly.

00:34:45.000 So, anyways, I just think you're right when it comes to coalition.

00:34:50.000 And you're also right when you take it to a moral level and what's right and what's good and what's actually the right decision, right?

00:34:57.000 Because we could talk till we're blue in the face about coalitions.

00:35:00.000 But then the other side will say, but what is right?

00:35:02.000 What is good?

00:35:03.000 What is moral?

00:35:03.000 What is true?

00:35:05.000 And in this instance, they align.

00:35:07.000 The coalition.

00:35:08.000 Their instincts are right here.

00:35:10.000 The people want peace.

00:35:11.000 We don't want to see the Middle East fall into another civil war, sectarian mess.

00:35:15.000 And hey, we don't want nukes.

00:35:17.000 Okay, there you go.

00:35:18.000 Guys, even the upper class is getting anxiety.

00:35:22.000 I don't know if anybody saw that in the Wall Street Journal last week.

00:35:25.000 Even the upper class now, and we have seen this in our polling, and now the Wall Street Journal picked it up, and they wrote a headline over it because they found it so interesting.

00:35:33.000 You know, for many, many years, all of us, the three of us, Charlie, many, many other personalities, have been talking about the anxiety that the working class has felt in this country because their needs are not being met.

00:35:44.000 And that working class base expanded for Trump beyond white working class people because they started to feel this.

00:35:50.000 Now, even we're making, yeah, we're making, you know, we're seeing that climb the economic ladder, which is concerning.

00:35:57.000 So that is the moral decision.

00:35:59.000 Rich Barris, great stuff, man.

00:36:01.000 Really great stuff.

00:36:01.000 Morality.

00:36:03.000 All the best, man.

00:36:04.000 Big data pole. 0.98

00:36:05.000 Burn it down. 0.57

00:36:05.000 Get his book. 0.57

00:36:06.000 Burn it down. 0.83

00:36:07.000 Joshua Lysak. 0.86

00:36:08.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:36:08.000 Thank you, Rich.

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00:37:50.000 We have a guest in studio.

00:37:51.000 Now, we have been talking about this a lot, and I just want to say why.

00:37:57.000 Because, one, I believe that the teachers' unions.

00:37:59.000 Are one of the, I would say, most malignant forces in our country, and they hate school choice.

00:38:06.000 And if we're going to save this country, not just in 2026 and 2028, but if we're going to save it for generations, then our education system has to be saved first because that's where they're getting all their ideas.

00:38:19.000 That's what's happening.

00:38:21.000 And we have a great guest who is one of the most outspoken, accomplished advocates for school choice in the country, and that's Jenny Clark.

00:38:30.000 She's the founder and CEO of Love Your School.

00:38:32.000 She's the chairman of azlovesaysays.com.

00:38:36.000 And if you could put that URL up there, chairman of azlovesaysays.com.

00:38:42.000 Jenny, welcome to the set.

00:38:44.000 Welcome.

00:38:44.000 Oh, I'm so glad to be here.

00:38:46.000 And I'm so excited to talk about school choice.

00:38:48.000 This is going to be awesome.

00:38:50.000 By the way, just so everybody's clear, she's not just running like the azlovesaysaysays.com is the main pack that's fighting the school, the anti school choice initiative from the teachers' unions here.

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:03.000 But you're also.

00:39:05.000 Like starting your own school.

00:39:06.000 Like you are doing the things that the bill, that our school choice in Arizona allows for.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:39:12.000 I'm an Arizona native, I'm a mom of five.

00:39:14.000 I've been involved in the school choice movement since 2018.

00:39:18.000 When we first attempted to get universal empowerment scholarships here in Arizona, of course, we ended up getting those four years later in 2022.

00:39:28.000 And now we have over 100,000 kids on the empowerment scholarship here in Arizona.

00:39:33.000 And of course, 17 other states have joined Arizona.

00:39:36.000 We led the fight, as we usually do.

00:39:38.000 We're the gold standard with some sort of other ESA program, these other states.

00:39:43.000 So, very excited also to be launching a classical Christian hybrid school.

00:39:47.000 Redeemerclassical.com.

00:39:49.000 We're learning what it takes to go from parent to policy to creating a seat for a student.

00:39:53.000 It's very exciting.

00:39:54.000 That's awesome.

00:39:55.000 I mean, and I've seen you in action.

00:39:56.000 So that's why, you know, I was like, I want to hit this topic because we get a lot of emails from people in Arizona that are like, why aren't you talking about this bill or this?

00:40:05.000 I don't even, you just give us the details.

00:40:07.000 Is it a referendum or something?

00:40:09.000 But the teachers' unions are behind trying to gut the school choice bill that Ducey signed.

00:40:15.000 It's his best thing he ever did, by the way.

00:40:18.000 And you were a part of that.

00:40:19.000 You were at like the press conferences announcing it.

00:40:21.000 Yes, yes.

00:40:22.000 So you were out front on that.

00:40:24.000 And now the teachers union is trying to fight back and basically gut it.

00:40:28.000 Yes.

00:40:28.000 So here's what they're trying to do it's so sneaky, but we are more strategic.

00:40:33.000 And that is why the teachers unions are going to lose.

00:40:36.000 And we, quite frankly, are going to win. 0.90

00:40:38.000 So in January in Arizona, the National Education Association, just so ridiculous. 0.75

00:40:44.000 If you go look at their Instagram account, it's just appalling the things that they put up there. 0.79

00:40:48.000 Yes.

00:40:48.000 Are they the biggest?

00:40:49.000 They are the biggest.

00:40:50.000 NEA Today is their Instagram.

00:40:52.000 And they are working with the Arizona Education Association and Save Our Schools, Arizona.

00:40:52.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 They dropped a Protect Education Act in January here in Arizona.

00:41:02.000 The entire initiative is an attempt to roll back all school choice in Arizona, starting with Arizona's Empowerment Scholarship Account Program.

00:41:11.000 So we saw right away that they gave $4 million, $4 million from these national special interest groups.

00:41:17.000 They don't care about Arizona, they don't care about our kids.

00:41:20.000 All they care about is having control.

00:41:22.000 Of children.

00:41:23.000 And their initiative, if they get the signatures, which are due July 2nd here in Arizona, would roll back the Arizona Empowerment Scholarship Account Program.

00:41:32.000 It would go to the ballot then in November.

00:41:34.000 Well, if they get the signatures, we're going to challenge them, of course, because they've just spent a bunch of money with random signature gatherers.

00:41:39.000 And these people are buying from out of state, and they're going door to door, they're harassing people at malls.

00:41:45.000 Let's put the numbers on here.

00:41:47.000 What's the number that's at stake?

00:41:48.000 I was just looking at the enrollment figure for this, and it was really high.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, the enrollment for the Arizona ESA program right now is over 100.

00:41:56.000 Thousand students.

00:41:57.000 What they want to say, kind of the biggest thing in their initiative, is that if you are a family, a hardworking family, a high paying taxpayer, and your gross income, regardless of family size, is $150,000 or more, so that's like a hardworking firefighter and a nurse, you no longer have access to Arizona's empowerment scholarship.

00:42:19.000 But what we say to that is, is there an income cap to go to an Arizona public school?

00:42:24.000 Of course not.

00:42:24.000 Wealthy families go to public school.

00:42:26.000 All the time, and we have no problem with that because we all believe that education is a public good.

00:42:32.000 But what they're saying is, oh no, if you're a hardworking taxpayer, your kids should have to go back to the public school system, and your child will no longer have access to this scholarship.

00:42:42.000 I think that's appalling, I think that's absolutely appalling.

00:42:46.000 So, let's just be clear national groups are coming into Arizona to try and get signatures to gut school choice in Arizona, which is the gold standard.

00:42:56.000 And if you don't live in Arizona and you're in this audience right now, and you're like, why do I care?

00:43:01.000 Well, Arizona set the trend.

00:43:03.000 I mean, again, Ducey did a really good thing.

00:43:06.000 School choice, I mean, it was a lot of people, you know, more conservatives didn't like Ducey, thought he was too moderate, whatever.

00:43:10.000 He did a really good thing with this.

00:43:12.000 And now Texas has, they just rolled out their ESA.

00:43:14.000 Texas is ESA.

00:43:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:15.000 Florida's ESA.

00:43:16.000 This is the best policy Arizona, almost any state, has done in the country in the past five years.

00:43:21.000 Now, other states are following suit.

00:43:24.000 But then the teachers' unions, which is basically just a Democrat super PAC, all their money goes to Democrats. 1.00

00:43:30.000 This is Katie Hobbs getting all their money. 0.74

00:43:32.000 And by the way, this is now coming into the governor's race here in Arizona.

00:43:37.000 So, because Andy Biggs, we have a clip on this and I'll show it to you.

00:43:40.000 This is front page headline news.

00:43:43.000 Because there couldn't be a bigger distinction between Andy Biggs and Katie Hobbs.

00:43:47.000 Play SOP 30. 1.00

00:43:49.000 Katie Hobbs is trying to actually crush educational freedom in this state. 1.00

00:43:54.000 And she's siding with unions and she's siding with administrators. 1.00

00:43:58.000 She's going after educational choice.

00:44:01.000 But every parent, I believe, has a more special interest in that child's education than an administrator.

00:44:09.000 I think the people that are most important are going to be your student, your parents, and the actual teachers.

00:44:16.000 That's right.

00:44:17.000 Everything that Andy Biggs says, like, I'm for.

00:44:19.000 Okay.

00:44:20.000 Just to be very clear, the guy is so spot on.

00:44:23.000 He would be such an amazing governor in this state.

00:44:25.000 I hope that the people of Arizona get their act together and understand it too.

00:44:29.000 And by the way, Turning Point Action is, I mean, we are going to be full force.

00:44:33.000 That's mission critical.

00:44:34.000 Get Andy Biggs elected.

00:44:36.000 There's all this bad news coming out for Ruben Gallego, by the way.

00:44:39.000 Like, we got to get rid of him too.

00:44:40.000 But the point is, it all starts with school choice.

00:44:43.000 And if you can break the backs of the teachers' unions, guess what?

00:44:47.000 That means less money for their super PAC, which they call teachers' unions. 0.98

00:44:51.000 Funding people like Katie Hobbs, they know this is existential to them.

00:44:54.000 This is why they hate ESA.

00:44:55.000 They hate school choice.

00:44:57.000 And that's why what you're doing is so important.

00:44:58.000 But you're playing like 3D chess here.

00:45:00.000 I mean, I don't know if you want to go into this segment.

00:45:03.000 Let's go.

00:45:03.000 Oh, no, I do.

00:45:04.000 We got a minute left.

00:45:05.000 Because it's important.

00:45:06.000 Well, you know, you got to fight on all levels, right?

00:45:08.000 And try to be more strategic than the teachers' unions.

00:45:10.000 Because as you mentioned, Blake, there's a lot at stake.

00:45:13.000 School choice is a national security issue.

00:45:16.000 We have hundreds of thousands of kids in Arizona and then millions across the country.

00:45:20.000 They can't read well.

00:45:21.000 They can't write well.

00:45:22.000 They can't do math well.

00:45:23.000 So we have to be successful in Arizona.

00:45:26.000 Thankfully, the Goldwater Institute's Military Family Protection Act is the poison pill that Arizona voters need to know about. 0.76

00:45:32.000 In a good way.

00:45:33.000 In a good way.

00:45:34.000 It's a poison pill to teachers.

00:45:35.000 It's a poison pill to teachers' unions.

00:45:36.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:45:36.000 Yes, it's going to the ballot.

00:45:38.000 It is going to protect any scholarship program that military families have access to, including Arizona's Empowerment Scholarship.

00:45:45.000 So we are going to be a yes on that on the ballot.

00:45:49.000 We'll have the prop number soon.

00:45:50.000 A yes on the Military Family Protection Act.

00:45:53.000 If you're in Arizona, vote yes on the Military Family Protection Act because it's a, it actually kind of like, it stops the teachers' unions initiatives because it's a constitutional initiative.

00:45:53.000 Okay.

00:45:53.000 So.

00:46:04.000 Constitutional, not legislative.

00:46:04.000 That's exactly right.

00:46:06.000 Blake, you brought up a good point.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, I just want to, so we mentioned the teachers' unions as the foe here, but I want to remind everyone, big picture, why we're in this situation, why there's so much demand for these scholarships.

00:46:18.000 Let's just take everyone back.

00:46:19.000 What have we gone through through the last few years?

00:46:21.000 We've seen unionized teachers fought to shut your child's school down during COVID.

00:46:25.000 And keep it closed as long as possible.

00:46:27.000 We're gonna teach them by Zoom.

00:46:29.000 We're gonna make them mask up.

00:46:30.000 We're gonna make them social distance.

00:46:31.000 We're gonna make them sit in those weird pods during band practice. 0.99

00:46:35.000 And then on top of that, we had the LGBT insanity where they're gonna push trans lunacy in the classroom. 0.99

00:46:43.000 They might transition, they might socially transition your kid at school. 0.99

00:46:48.000 We had that guy, that lawyer in the LA school district where the teachers were fighting, the teachers union in LA was fighting so that they wouldn't have to be fired if they were negligent when your child got abused.

00:47:00.000 They didn't have to be mandatory reporters for this sort of thing if they saw evidence of it, if they were being abused by a teacher in the school.

00:47:06.000 These are the same lunatics that are pushing things like in California, the trans sanctuary state, so that if you have a student and they run away and they go to California, you can't necessarily get them back.

00:47:18.000 If you happen to be a parent in California and your kid transitions, they don't have to tell you. 0.93

00:47:24.000 And by the way, if you are against that, then you could lose your child.

00:47:27.000 This is like the mindset of these people.

00:47:29.000 This is why this is so critical, mission critical.

00:47:31.000 There's a line from the Jesuits, the Catholic order, because they ran a bunch of schools hundreds of years ago, and they said, if you give me the child to the age of Give me a boy to the age of six, and I will give you the man.

00:47:42.000 And that's how the teachers' unions are.

00:47:44.000 They know they can control what your child is learning in the first grade, second grade.

00:47:48.000 You're not paying too much attention.

00:47:49.000 You think they're coloring, learning arithmetic.

00:47:51.000 And then they're coming out and they hate everything you care about because the people they're with more often than you are radically against everything you believe in.

00:48:00.000 And I just want to show this picture.

00:48:02.000 Show the picture of the enrollment.

00:48:04.000 So this got passed in 2022.

00:48:06.000 Just to give you an idea of the demand.

00:48:10.000 That there is.

00:48:11.000 So, those three bars that you see there on the right, that was the law passed.

00:48:15.000 Everybody gets a $7,500 credit if you want to send your kid to a private school.

00:48:21.000 And look at that.

00:48:22.000 Look at the pent up demand that there was in one year.

00:48:26.000 It's just incredible.

00:48:27.000 And I think the bar goes even higher in the most recent year.

00:48:30.000 And this just shows how desperate families were for choices and for options for their kids.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, it does.

00:48:36.000 Listen, I grew up in Arizona.

00:48:38.000 I was born and raised here.

00:48:39.000 I went to public school here, kindergarten through 12th grade, and then on to the University of Arizona.

00:48:45.000 Never did I think that my kids might need something different than what I had in the public school system.

00:48:50.000 But times have changed.

00:48:52.000 Values have changed nationally.

00:48:54.000 When we look at the NAPE scores, the nation's report card, 26% or less of students are reading proficiently at grade level at fourth grade when they're tested.

00:49:04.000 That's shocking.

00:49:05.000 As I said before, that's a national security crisis.

00:49:08.000 So many of these families, they come from all backgrounds, all political spectrums, all socioeconomic status.

00:49:15.000 They're just trying to do what's best for their kids.

00:49:18.000 And sometimes that's the public school.

00:49:20.000 Other times that's home education, micro schools, private schools, all these exciting new things that we have in Arizona and that are now blossoming across the country.

00:49:29.000 Families in states with ESA type programs now finally have access to do what's best for their kids.

00:49:36.000 I think it's one of the greatest policy wins that we have seen in the United States in over two decades.

00:49:36.000 That's amazing.

00:49:42.000 It's really incredible.

00:49:45.000 You got to meet the president.

00:49:46.000 We have this picture.

00:49:46.000 Too.

00:49:47.000 I didn't even realize this when I was like, wait, you've been in the Oval Office with the president?

00:49:52.000 I've been in the Oval Office.

00:49:53.000 Tell us about that and what you learned.

00:49:54.000 Again, I want to nationalize this for the audience.

00:49:57.000 So, the local instruction is vote yes on what is that?

00:50:00.000 The Military Family Protection Act, if you're here in Arizona.

00:50:04.000 And then don't give your signature to the bad guys.

00:50:06.000 And then, obviously, vote for Andy Biggs.

00:50:08.000 So, if you're in Arizona, but nationally, what did you learn when you went and sat with the president and the team about school choice?

00:50:16.000 The priority that this admin is Putting on.

00:50:18.000 Obviously, we had the one big beautiful bill that had school choice in it.

00:50:22.000 I'll talk a little bit about that too.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, so about a year ago, I had just the amazing opportunity to have lunch with the president and some senators and governors from states that either have school choice programs or that are pushing school choice programs.

00:50:36.000 Obviously, the Donald's family, Byron and Erica were there, all of these amazing leaders across the country.

00:50:42.000 And everyone agreed, including our president, that school choice is one of the most important issues for our country.

00:50:49.000 You talk about American reindustrialization, you talk about national security.

00:50:53.000 Any issue, school choice touches those issues.

00:50:56.000 So at the time, the one big beautiful bill had not yet passed, and we were all brainstorming what will it look like?

00:51:02.000 What needs to happen?

00:51:03.000 How will it get done?

00:51:04.000 I had a great lunch.

00:51:05.000 And then, of course, the president, just being the most amazing person that he is, invited all of us into the Oval for another hour.

00:51:13.000 The president of the United States, you know, spending all of this time with just random constituents, it's just incredible.

00:51:19.000 And we talked more about school choice.

00:51:20.000 Of course, now we do have this federal tax credit program currently in rulemaking.

00:51:26.000 States have to opt in to that program.

00:51:28.000 Of course, Governor Hobbs has not opted in.

00:51:31.000 She's planning to not opt in to this federal tax credit program that would be in addition.

00:51:31.000 Of course not.

00:51:37.000 To state ESA programs that President Trump and other leaders delivered for us.

00:51:41.000 It's just, it's such a great example because it really just gets at how much they despise you.

00:51:46.000 It's essentially, we will turn down free money for parents to choose how to educate their child as they wish, and we're just going to spitefully reject it.

00:51:58.000 This is such a big issue to me.

00:51:59.000 It just, you think about it, you lay it out.

00:52:02.000 Do you want to have thousands of dollars for educating your child, and do you want it to be how the parent wants to use it, or do you want it to be how a Cancerous, parasitic blob that hates you and everything you believe in wants to use it. 0.74

00:52:15.000 Well, this is what the commies want. 0.72

00:52:16.000 The commies want the school system to look like a communist grocery store where everything is the same brand.

00:52:22.000 There's no options, there's no choice.

00:52:24.000 What we want is we want it to be the choice is yours.

00:52:27.000 You get to pick which brand, what ingredients, whatever.

00:52:31.000 That is your choice as a parent.

00:52:32.000 And the commies hate that because, again, it's their super PAC.

00:52:35.000 This is what keeps them in power.

00:52:36.000 By the way, it's not just their super PAC.

00:52:38.000 They're the ballot chasers in the field, like California.

00:52:41.000 That's how Spencer Pratt lost.

00:52:43.000 There's a teacher's union going and collecting ballots.

00:52:45.000 Tell people where to go to find your stuff and your school, all that stuff.

00:52:49.000 Absolutely.

00:52:50.000 So you can visit us at azlovesesas.com.

00:52:55.000 Loveyourschool.org.

00:52:56.000 That's my nonprofit.

00:52:57.000 We help families one on one.

00:52:58.000 You can also find us on X and me personally, Clark Rimza.

00:53:01.000 Would love to have you guys give me a follow.

00:53:03.000 Awesome.

00:53:03.000 I love it.

00:53:04.000 Thank you, Jenny Clark.

00:53:06.000 azlovesesas.com.

00:53:08.000 Check it out.

00:53:09.000 Get behind this most important effort.

00:53:11.000 Thank you so much.

00:53:14.000 Good conversation is about respect.

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00:53:23.000 And TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.

00:53:33.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

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00:54:01.000 All right, Steve Dace, host of The Steve Dace Show, and hold on, I want to get the book, author of Why Independence Day, which is really important given that we just went through the Juneteenth stuff.

00:54:13.000 Anyways, Steve, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:54:16.000 Good to see you guys.

00:54:16.000 Good to see you.

00:54:17.000 Thanks.

00:54:18.000 All right, so Steve, this conversation is born out of a group chat.

00:54:22.000 That we were having a text message chain, and we're talking, we're kind of theorizing that in some ways that, you know, this outcome could be very ideal, right?

00:54:34.000 Because let's talk about the alternatives, right?

00:54:37.000 And you are a guy, admittedly, you're a Gen Xer. 1.00

00:54:40.000 You were like, hey, I want, there's a part of you that really wants to bomb the hell out of the, you know, Iranians, at least the regime, right? 0.99

00:54:47.000 There's an instinct baked into you that is sort of like that. 0.97

00:54:51.000 And yet you're looking at this deal and you're like, hey, actually, this is.

00:54:55.000 Pretty positive.

00:54:56.000 And so, explain kind of your thinking about it and why you have been more supportive than maybe some people might have anticipated.

00:55:04.000 I think that we have to live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be.

00:55:08.000 And, you know, the funny thing about war is the other side gets a say in how it turns out, too.

00:55:08.000 Right.

00:55:13.000 And so, you know, we're always going to reach this standstill.

00:55:17.000 When we talked about this as it was kind of the drumbeats were leading into it, and I told you guys back then earlier this winter, I'm not for this. 0.51

00:55:24.000 I detest the Iranian regime, but we're going to come to a juncture where there's not really a way out.

00:55:30.000 We don't want a regime change war.

00:55:32.000 I don't think the president wants one.

00:55:33.000 I know the American people don't.

00:55:35.000 There might not be too many 80 20 issues left in America. 0.80

00:55:38.000 A regime change war, the opposition to it in the Middle East, I'm confident would be one of them.

00:55:43.000 We can't afford it.

00:55:44.000 The country doesn't want it.

00:55:45.000 It would kill us politically.

00:55:47.000 And that's assuming we could even do it.

00:55:49.000 And we proved in Iraq and Afghanistan we're way better at deposing regimes than replacing them.

00:55:55.000 And here we're dealing with way more complicated sectarian interests than you even were in Afghanistan and in Iraq. 0.88

00:56:01.000 You've got the Kurds who want their own country.

00:56:04.000 You have a large Shia population.

00:56:08.000 You have the young secularists that were going out in the streets in throngs and protesting this winter.

00:56:13.000 You have two different large six figure standing armies.

00:56:16.000 At least they were before we started bombing them.

00:56:18.000 You have the radical clerics.

00:56:20.000 There's a lot of interest here.

00:56:21.000 Right now, the Israelis and the Sunni Arabs are aligned in their disdain for the Iranian regime. 0.83

00:56:27.000 But I cannot possibly believe, guys, that the Israelis and the Sunni Arabs are going to agree on what should come next. 0.80

00:56:34.000 Who gets to determine that? 0.88

00:56:35.000 I'm not even sure amongst themselves that all the Sunni Arab countries, well, yeah, we want an LCC or Erdogan, but we want our Erdogan. 0.58

00:56:41.000 We want our LCC. 0.93

00:56:43.000 This is a box of chocolates we cannot afford to open. 0.51

00:56:46.000 I think the Iranian regime knew that. 0.99

00:56:48.000 They could just hang out and wait. 0.72

00:56:50.000 And so we were always going to come to this juncture of they want to be in Iran more than we wanted to be. 0.83

00:56:55.000 So then what were we going to do? 0.98

00:56:57.000 There's really only two options.

00:56:59.000 There's only two options. 0.93

00:57:01.000 Whenever they get out of line, we just bomb the hell out of them.

00:57:04.000 Or we go back and do what Obama did.

00:57:05.000 I resent, by the way, this idea that this is like the Obama deal. 0.86

00:57:09.000 We've killed the first two strings of Iranian government officials.

00:57:13.000 They're down to the third string here. 0.97

00:57:15.000 Next are the walk ons.

00:57:16.000 So Trump has taken his belt off and spanked the Iranian regime harder than any American president ever has. 0.96

00:57:23.000 So already, guys, this is different than any other attempt to deal with the Iranians.

00:57:27.000 They've never faced this level of corporal punishment from an American president before, who is willing, by virtue of what he's done before, I think, demonstrated that he'll do it again. 0.99

00:57:37.000 If they get out of line, at some point we have to face the reality of where we are domestically and come home and solve our own issues.

00:57:43.000 I completely agree.

00:57:45.000 The context is completely different than the JCPOA.

00:57:48.000 The JCPOA was a weak leadership on the U.S. side that was begging and pleading and bribing so that they didn't have to do military conflict. 0.85

00:57:58.000 And the Iranians read that like a book. 1.00

00:58:00.000 They knew exactly the stakes and that they could play them like the suckers that they were. 0.98

00:58:04.000 This is completely different because President Trump. 0.95

00:58:08.000 Used force at the onset.

00:58:09.000 You didn't have to like it.

00:58:10.000 You don't have to love it.

00:58:11.000 You could have been against it, whatever.

00:58:14.000 But the mere fact that he's already shown he's willing to use force makes the two completely different.

00:58:20.000 So now the credible threat of force is always on the table.

00:58:23.000 And President Trump has been saying it.

00:58:24.000 He's like, well, if they don't do it, we'll just bomb them again. 0.95

00:58:26.000 We'll just keep bombing them. 0.94

00:58:27.000 We'll blockade the straight again.

00:58:29.000 And this time they will block it all the way to the point where those pumps stop working.

00:58:33.000 And then you're really impacting the future viability of that regime and that country.

00:58:37.000 So the point is not only is it popular, the context is completely different.

00:58:42.000 And you better believe that this negotiation is going to learn from the lessons of the JCPOA, so don't make those same mistakes.

00:58:49.000 So, I completely agree with you that this is nothing like the JCPOA, even if you end up getting nuclear inspectors.

00:58:56.000 Okay.

00:58:56.000 So, there's going to be some things that are just that's the way the world works.

00:58:59.000 And who's going to inspect it?

00:59:01.000 You got to have somebody inspect it.

00:59:02.000 So, maybe that makes your mind think, oh, this is JCPOA 2.0.

00:59:05.000 No, it's not. 0.59

00:59:06.000 You got to, you know, and the fact that they're even getting creative about unfrozen assets being used to buy American produce to feed Iranian people as opposed to fund terror, these are good ideas. 0.60

00:59:15.000 And we should entertain them. 0.62

00:59:16.000 Right.

00:59:17.000 I agree.

00:59:18.000 I don't know if you have thoughts on any of that, Steve, but I just get so.

00:59:23.000 Irked by that.

00:59:24.000 And then last thing, this idea that JD Vance is somehow looking weak in this, I totally disagree.

00:59:31.000 I actually think he's looking like a rock star in this.

00:59:33.000 I think his stock is rising.

00:59:34.000 I think the polling shows that.

00:59:36.000 I think let's do the latter first.

00:59:39.000 I think some people are really hurting Marco Rubio.

00:59:41.000 And I think Rubio is playing this all very smart.

00:59:44.000 He knows that Trump's going to determine our nominee next time.

00:59:47.000 He also knows that Trump's going to determine if we even have a primary at all.

00:59:51.000 If Trump could endorse someone right from the outset, there's no primary, or wait, let the primary play itself out and endorse someone.

00:59:57.000 When they've been tested a little bit against their competitors.

01:00:00.000 But ultimately, King Trump's going to determine who his successor is, like all kings get to.

01:00:04.000 And I think Rubio understands this, which is why he's just doing his job.

01:00:07.000 Well, he's doing 14 jobs right now, right?

01:00:09.000 The great meme that goes around.

01:00:10.000 And he's kind of just focused on that. 0.92

01:00:12.000 I think some people, and many of them are friends of mine and people that I agree with and broadly stand up with them against the anti Semitism infesting our ranks. 0.59

01:00:20.000 But by kind of starting to try and have a shadow primary of 28 right now, like this weekend, they took this clip of Rubio from February.

01:00:29.000 And they tried to resurrect it like he just said this last week in the midst of the Iranian negotiations.

01:00:33.000 I think that they're labeling Rubio like he's Israel first.

01:00:37.000 Like that's the only reason you'd vote for Rubio over Vance in 28 is that he would cause more carnage in the Middle East than JD Vance would.

01:00:45.000 And that's exactly how you won't get Marco Rubio, 28.

01:00:48.000 Not to mention, I don't know that King Trump will appreciate the fact that you think you're going to get him to nominate somebody for president who you think actually doesn't support even the very foreign policy that as Secretary of State he's charged with carrying out.

01:01:00.000 The whole thing makes no sense at all.

01:01:03.000 The other thing that doesn't make any sense to me at all is what these folks want us to do instead.

01:01:07.000 And again, they're friends of mine.

01:01:08.000 I keep asking, but I don't get any answers.

01:01:10.000 So I'm like, okay, so you want us to keep.

01:01:12.000 You don't like the deal.

01:01:13.000 Right.

01:01:13.000 Okay.

01:01:14.000 So you want us to keep.

01:01:15.000 And why don't you like the deal? 0.96

01:01:16.000 Well, the Iranians won't keep any deal. 0.99

01:01:17.000 I don't disagree. 1.00

01:01:18.000 All right.

01:01:19.000 So you want us to keep bombing them to get a better deal.

01:01:21.000 Right.

01:01:22.000 But you don't think they'll keep the deal.

01:01:23.000 Correct.

01:01:23.000 All right.

01:01:24.000 So it sounds to me like then what you want is regime change.

01:01:26.000 No, no, no.

01:01:26.000 You're taking me out of context.

01:01:27.000 Don't say that.

01:01:28.000 So you want us to keep bombing to get a better deal that they won't keep, but you don't want regime change, but you want that.

01:01:33.000 What?

01:01:33.000 I'm confused.

01:01:34.000 What is the alternative here that they want?

01:01:36.000 It makes no sense to me.

01:01:38.000 I don't understand.

01:01:39.000 I want to understand.

01:01:40.000 I don't.

01:01:42.000 And I love the monarchical language here about it because it comes up so often.

01:01:47.000 We saw where there was that quote that went viral a few days ago where allegedly they asked President Trump, Are they going to remove the gold that you've kind of added around the White House?

01:01:58.000 And supposedly he said, There's no proof, but supposedly he said, Well, Cubans love gold.

01:02:02.000 And so they're hanging on, Oh, what did the king say that could hint at his intentions?

01:02:07.000 And then on the other hand, the way.

01:02:09.000 There's been a lot of attacks on JD Vance for where he's been making the sell on the peace deal or the fact that he's doing it at all.

01:02:17.000 And the blunt truth is, he's the vice president who is selling a policy that the president chose.

01:02:23.000 And they so collectively decide to ignore this, act as though JD Vance on this one issue is the president and President Trump himself is out of the picture just so that they can attack him more.

01:02:34.000 The whole thing has a very strange aspect to it, as though, yeah, like you said, President Trump is this.

01:02:40.000 Constitutional monarch controlled by his different advisors.

01:02:42.000 And if there's one thing we know about Trump, it's that he really does march to his own beat and he's not controlled by anyone.

01:02:48.000 Yeah. 0.53

01:02:49.000 And I like what you said, Steve, because a lot of the people that seem to oppose this deal are people that we stand shoulder to shoulder with when it comes to, you know, fighting anti Semitism, right?

01:02:59.000 And so it kind of is, guys like us, we're in this like in between space sometimes where it's like, no, listen, we want peace.

01:03:06.000 We don't, you know, death to neocons, okay?

01:03:08.000 Like that's how I feel about it. 0.73

01:03:10.000 But I also don't like anti Semitism.

01:03:13.000 So you're finding yourself with, Almost strange bedfellows like swapping beds or something.

01:03:17.000 I don't know what it's just very strange, but like the times that we live in are very strange.

01:03:21.000 And I think we're finding our groove here.

01:03:24.000 But I will tell you the peace proposal is widely popular.

01:03:29.000 Why?

01:03:29.000 Because Americans were not that supportive of the war in the beginning.

01:03:32.000 Okay.

01:03:33.000 What you're seeing is a referendum on the fact that we want peace, we deeply want to focus on domestic issues.

01:03:39.000 So there's a lot going on here, Steve.

01:03:42.000 And I just love the way you said it.

01:03:43.000 And I want to get into it.

01:03:45.000 More because I put out a tweet saying, What's the alternative?

01:03:49.000 50,000 ground troops, 100,000?

01:03:50.000 Like, how much bombing?

01:03:51.000 Like, what are we going to bomb?

01:03:52.000 How many civilian deaths?

01:03:54.000 And I've actually got some good faith answers that I want to go through and I want to talk about that because none of the alternatives make any sense to me either.

01:04:00.000 So, Steve, I asked this question.

01:04:01.000 I said, Those who oppose the deal should consider the realistic alternatives.

01:04:06.000 How many ground troops would regime change actually require?

01:04:09.000 50,000, 100,000?

01:04:10.000 Where would they be deployed?

01:04:13.000 What would likely American casualties be?

01:04:15.000 So, I just asked a bunch of questions Would it fall into a deadly civil war and sectarian mess? 1.00

01:04:20.000 How many migrants would the West be forced to absorb?

01:04:22.000 And they say it's a fake choice that I'm gaslighting.

01:04:26.000 David Harsani says these aren't the choices, not even close.

01:04:29.000 But even if we wanted to disengage from the war, we could leave it status quo, which would be better than a deal, not only not enriching and propping up the regime, but restraining Israel and Gulf states from fighting.

01:04:41.000 So basically, everybody in the comments disagrees with me that I'm presenting a false choice. 0.64

01:04:45.000 I think it is worth saying that there's a degree of false choice in that if we launch refugees, we don't have to, if we created a crisis, we would not have to let refugees.

01:04:55.000 Into Europe or into America. 0.77

01:04:57.000 But unfortunately, we've been around the block on this, and you know, some federal judge could require us to bring them in.

01:05:04.000 Or just we lose an election and they decide throw it open.

01:05:07.000 We have a million Iranian refugees, a million Kurds, a million Iraqis. 0.98

01:05:11.000 Somehow Afghans get roped into this, and you know, why not half of Africa too? 0.83

01:05:14.000 Yeah.

01:05:15.000 So, and by the way, I'll read one more, Steve, and I'll get your thoughts here.

01:05:18.000 Because people are engaging in good faith.

01:05:19.000 This is Eli Steinberg.

01:05:21.000 He said, happy to engage in this.

01:05:23.000 The fact that every argument for the deal goes straight to regime change and boots on the ground when that's not what people like me are arguing for is the most.

01:05:29.000 Distressing part of this.

01:05:31.000 Why can't we have an actual argument about the deal on its actual merits?

01:05:34.000 Why the need to light a field of straw men ablaze?

01:05:37.000 So they're giving me a straw man argument.

01:05:39.000 But I, to your point, I play this out.

01:05:42.000 I don't know what they want then.

01:05:45.000 I genuinely don't know.

01:05:46.000 David Harsanyi has been on my show numerous times over the years.

01:05:49.000 Smart guy.

01:05:51.000 Maybe I missed it and maybe I'm the one with a double digit IQ, but he told you it was a false choice.

01:05:56.000 Did he tell you what his other choice was?

01:05:58.000 Did he tell you that in his answer?

01:05:59.000 Because what you shared with me, what was the alternative?

01:06:01.000 What was the alternative?

01:06:02.000 So.

01:06:03.000 The alternative is not enriching the regime.

01:06:05.000 It's his choice.

01:06:06.000 That's what he seems to be advocating for.

01:06:09.000 All right. 0.91

01:06:12.000 So we have to bomb them some more then.

01:06:15.000 He's saying you could leave it status quo.

01:06:17.000 I guess just keep the blockade going in perpetuity.

01:06:20.000 So we carpet bomb our domestic political situation and our own economy then.

01:06:25.000 You see what I mean?

01:06:26.000 We're back here over and over again, which is why, to me, you know what I loved?

01:06:31.000 I loved Operation Midnight Hammer.

01:06:33.000 Loved it. 0.99

01:06:34.000 I love the idea of keeping these fools over there with their heads on a swivel, never knowing when we're coming. 0.99

01:06:39.000 And no giant armada buildups, no huge signals to the global economic order. 1.00

01:06:45.000 Get ready to screw the American people.

01:06:47.000 Just in the dead of night, y'all wake up and you know what? 0.96

01:06:50.000 Oh, snap, that's gone.

01:06:51.000 That's not there anymore.

01:06:52.000 Anyway, back to normal order.

01:06:53.000 Don't do it again.

01:06:54.000 We're going to come over and just mow the lawn when you least expect it.

01:06:56.000 How about I'm for Operation Midnight Lug Nut, Operation Midnight Phillips Screwdriver?

01:07:02.000 Just start naming tools.

01:07:03.000 I mean, we can mow the lawn over there as many times as we need to in the dead of night.

01:07:06.000 I'm all for it, and that regime absolutely deserves it.

01:07:10.000 And notice that we didn't do nearly the carpet bombing to our own domestic political capital and our own domestic economy when we did that last June compared to what this has done.

01:07:18.000 So, someone's getting bombed here.

01:07:20.000 All right.

01:07:21.000 We're either going to bomb them some more and continue to carpet bomb ourselves domestically and put our entire country on the line in these midterms over whatever we're trying to accomplish with this regime, which is not a regime change.

01:07:33.000 Don't call it that.

01:07:34.000 But even though that's really what everybody that's complaining wants.

01:07:37.000 And, or we come home and we start bombing our own domestic political situation.

01:07:43.000 You know, I've used this analogy on my show, guys.

01:07:45.000 I get a chance, thanks to organizations like TPUSA, to get to speak all over the country quite frequently.

01:07:51.000 Every time I'm on a plane, right, they give you this little rejoinder at the beginning, you know, in the unlikely event that the plane may, you know, suffer something catastrophic or go down, right, and your oxygen mask drops.

01:08:02.000 What's the first thing they always tell you about your oxygen mask?

01:08:05.000 Put yours on first.

01:08:07.000 Put yours on first, because if yours is on, you are not in a position to help out anybody else who can't get theirs, right?

01:08:13.000 We have to put our own oxygen mask on.

01:08:15.000 Our way of life by a centimeter from Trump's brain nearly died in this last election. 1.00

01:08:22.000 I want everybody to stop and think about all the gay retardation you'd be watching right now for America 250 if that bullet is a centimeter closer to Trump's brain two summers ago in Butler, Pennsylvania. 1.00

01:08:33.000 We have to solve our issues at home. 1.00

01:08:36.000 And if we don't solve them here at home, we can't stand for any allies, let alone on our own.

01:08:41.000 We have to, at some point, expend our capital here at home.

01:08:45.000 100%.

01:08:46.000 I love that you mentioned that.

01:08:47.000 I saw something the other day.

01:08:48.000 It was that image of.

01:08:50.000 Where you can see the bullet going by President Trump's head, and one inch it says civil war, and the other says an entire summer spent arguing about the White House reflecting pool. 0.63

01:08:59.000 But you're so correct.

01:09:00.000 That's exactly right.

01:09:01.000 Yes.

01:09:02.000 You're so correct, and this is such a concern of Charlie's that we know America has big vulnerabilities.

01:09:07.000 We're still an immensely powerful, immensely rich country, but we have serious structural issues that need our focus.

01:09:13.000 We need to repair our patriotism.

01:09:15.000 We're a divided country, and one of the ways you heal that patriotism is you make it clear your government.

01:09:21.000 Is focused on the home front, improving the home front, is not embarking on far off adventures that we can't afford because that divides your country.

01:09:30.000 Well, and this is this, this two polling graphs here from CBS.

01:09:35.000 I've been thinking about it all morning.

01:09:36.000 We played it earlier.

01:09:37.000 The first one is 78% of Americans want to end the conflict now.

01:09:43.000 Okay.

01:09:44.000 Go to the next one Has the U.S. permanently stopped Iran's nuclear program?

01:09:49.000 Only 31% say yes, 69% no, not done.

01:09:52.000 Okay.

01:09:54.000 I just want to make the point that yes, we do not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

01:10:00.000 President Trump has made that extraordinarily clear. 0.72

01:10:03.000 And yet, the American people are so uninterested in that question that they still think that they're going to pursue a nuclear weapon and they still want us to get out.

01:10:14.000 That is the way that a constitutional republic works with a representative democracy.

01:10:19.000 Okay?

01:10:20.000 They get a say.

01:10:22.000 And to your point, you're either carpet bombing Iran or you're carpet bombing our political fortunes in this country.

01:10:28.000 And I'm sorry, but Democrats are simply unacceptable at this point.

01:10:32.000 They have proven, they have rendered themselves, they are completely disqualified.

01:10:37.000 Let's just put it that way.

01:10:38.000 Final minute and a half to you, Steve Dace. 0.85

01:10:41.000 I love Israel.

01:10:43.000 Israel is an ally, but all allies to me are cousins.

01:10:46.000 My immediate family is my country, right?

01:10:49.000 And so if your cousin wins the lottery, you're very happy for them, except your spouse is sick and in the hospital.

01:10:56.000 You're not sure when she's going to get out.

01:10:58.000 And so you're happy for them, but your immediate family is your concern, right?

01:11:03.000 And that's where we are right now.

01:11:05.000 We have to address our immediate concerns.

01:11:09.000 And we are at an existential cliff as a country. 0.98

01:11:12.000 We cannot afford to continue expending our political capital in Iran. 0.98

01:11:16.000 And the alternative is, well, we need a better deal that they also then say Iran won't keep unless we keep threatening them militarily. 0.89

01:11:23.000 At some point, we have to come home and start threatening Democrats politically. 0.77

01:11:27.000 That's right.

01:11:28.000 Well said.

01:11:29.000 Steve Dace, Charlie loved having you on.

01:11:33.000 And I'm so glad that you still make the time for us, Steve, because I just think it's just great.

01:11:38.000 You're a great thinker, you're super smart.

01:11:40.000 And Charlie was right to trust you and to believe in that and to see that.

01:11:45.000 And I see it too.

01:11:46.000 So does Blake, even though he's not as good at compliments as I am.

01:11:52.000 Steve, be well, my friend.

01:11:53.000 Hopefully, you had a great Father's Day.

01:11:55.000 That was phenomenal.

01:11:57.000 Thank you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 22, 2026

Polling the Peace + The War Against Teacher Unions

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