00:01:39.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:47.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:40.000And I think based on things you've said, we'll actually have some common ground on children and education and the entire kind of detransitioning movement that's happening right now because a lot of people have regret after undergoing that irreversible surgery.
00:02:54.000But yeah, my position is pretty clear.
00:02:57.000Your chromosomal makeup is very important.
00:02:59.000I believe we should be grounded in biological and material reality.
00:03:04.000And, you know, I believe that gender and sex are directly related.
00:03:08.000And so I know I have more time to use, but I'm going to allow our guests to use that time up.
00:04:39.000If you did my chromosomal test or all that, it will come back as a biological female.
00:04:43.000What I did change is my gender and the way I look and the way I perform to the world.
00:04:49.000So I think this tends to be a lot of the problem with what the rest of, I would say, the trans activists who I am, I don't really align with trans activism these days because I will say that I cannot change my biological sex, but I can change the way I look to the world.
00:05:07.000So this is where I think that we're running into a problem and why people don't understand what I did is a thing to change and save my life.
00:05:14.000Where I believe today in the new transgender world, we are saying that biology doesn't exist and anyone can be a woman and our man and those things.
00:05:25.000So I believe on some level, gender and biological sex can be separated, though I do understand why people like yourself or other people in the world don't understand that those things can be separated and that they are the same thing.
00:05:37.000So you're a splinter against some of the transgender movements that we're seeing.
00:05:42.000So like the idea that men can become pregnant is not true.
00:05:47.000And why I will say that is, yes, the kind of man that can become pregnant happens to be a man like me, which again, I'll go back to tell you, is a biological woman.
00:05:56.000The only people that can get pregnant are biological women.
00:05:59.000So anything other than that, you're lying.
00:07:07.000So I guess, you know, and again, with the potential of stepping on landmines here, I might be imprecise with my language is, is it then the right thing to transition, right?
00:07:17.000Because the data shows high suicide rates, regrets, people that say they want to detransition.
00:07:24.000And again, I'm not trying to say you made a mistake.
00:07:26.000That would be, you know, again, kind of harsh of me.
00:07:29.000But what I would ask, though, is you look at all this data in front of you, 20% of trans youth attempt suicide in 2020.
00:07:36.000I'm sure you might say it's because of bullying and other factors, but we can explore that.
00:08:36.000So the difference now today we have transgender, which is an umbrella term for different kinds of people, like non-binary, transmasculine, FTM.
00:08:45.000There's all these different kinds of queer, queer, whatever.
00:08:48.000There's this, they're making all these things up, which is fine.
00:08:51.000I want to say that that's, but that does not represent me.
00:09:08.000So, but I guess the moral question is, should you just always do what you want to do?
00:09:13.000So that going back to that question, no, I do not believe you should always do what you want to do if it in the long run is going to hurt you rather than help.
00:09:39.000And, you know, with the risk of calling it an exception, because I think we could explore that further and I think there would be other issues, is that there is a massive question of when do you restrain what you want for what might be good.
00:10:08.000Again, with the risk of not actually living through that, I refuse to accept the premise the only way that one could deal with it is through castration.
00:10:40.000The minute I transitioned, I never looked back and my life only got better.
00:10:44.000So I start to look at why are young, these are all young women, mostly, right?
00:10:48.000So young girls, biological women who have decided to do what I did, right?
00:10:52.000Which is to take testosterone, masculinize themselves, have top surgery, and then within sometimes six months to a year are like, uh-oh, I made a mistake.
00:11:01.000I'm going to tell you exactly why that's happening.
00:11:03.000We have not put mental health care in the equation to transition.
00:11:17.000You can go on the internet and get your hormones and you can happily be on your way.
00:11:21.000So, but let me ask you, I mean, as someone who's an outspoken member, and I know you say you're not part of the community, but of this decision.
00:12:30.000I'm a, for lack of a better word, normal person on some level.
00:12:34.000So what you're saying is that before the actual action of surgery happens, which is very serious, irreversible, you would say you first have to check a lot of boxes of therapy and all this.
00:12:47.000It shouldn't be easy, on demand, or immediate.
00:13:01.000I have an actual mental disorder called gender dysphoria.
00:13:04.000And when you take gender dysphoria off the table, which the trans community has done now and says you don't need dysphoria to be trans, wait a minute.
00:13:12.000So you don't need cancer to have cancer?
00:13:17.000And so it's just a thought exercise, which is: is the surge, and for you it was, but generally, should it become something that is so exceedingly rare?
00:13:25.000For example, just because you want something isn't, it isn't always right.
00:13:28.000So, like someone who has anorexia, you wouldn't give them liposuction.
00:13:53.000And if we are not dealing with it as a mental health problem and we're just saying you know who you are, that's what's going to cause the problem right there.
00:14:02.000Do you think that if when you were just a biological female, not showing yourself as a male, do you think that if you had therapy and counseling, do you think that would have been potentially helpful before surgery?
00:15:17.000Yeah, kids are going to say they're trans, or they're going to say, I feel like a boy, or I feel like a girl, or I feel like an elephant, or that's very normal behavior for a child.
00:15:25.000But to all of a sudden say when a child says they're a girl or a boy, do you immediately pinpoint it as trans with no mental health care or no system?
00:15:33.000Because there's no system to put them through right now.
00:15:35.000They immediately want to put them on puberty blockers.
00:15:38.000So as a person who doesn't believe every child says exactly what that child is feeling or knows, I disagree with that 100% because what you're doing is medicalizing a child from the age of eight years old, which means that child will be medicalized for the rest of their life.
00:15:54.000So, I'm just curious, which is, you know, you've been an advocate in, or just an outspoken person in this space, is that it seems that your position on this is a vast minority position.
00:16:09.000I think because I'm older, and I think because I'm a little more grounded about who and what I am, and I think I went through a lot to get where I'm at.
00:16:16.000And like I said, there are most definitely young people who feel like I do.
00:16:19.000I don't doubt that in any way, shape, or form.
00:16:21.000But I think the equation doesn't equal to what I did, which is which has saved my life, is to give, I'm going to keep going back to the same thing, mental health care.
00:16:30.000You cannot just take something at face value.
00:16:33.000Now, adults are doing it all the time.
00:16:34.000I'm trans and I'm going to transition and I'm going to do.
00:16:37.000I don't know if we can argue that with an adult.
00:16:40.000You know, I think that's, I think, I do think that if you have a 14-year-old that has irreversible surgery, and it is irreversible, by the way.
00:16:47.000So, there's an argument that says this, an argument that says puberty blockers are irreversible.
00:17:45.000And so, what I mean by that is if a kid wants to idea as a trans person and go through school wearing boy clothes and dressing like a boy, go right do it, my friend, because you'll probably grow out of it later on.
00:17:54.000But when a kid starts going and getting what we call top surgery at 20 years old and starts putting hormones in their body, every piece of that equation is irreversible.
00:18:06.000Let's say today I decide that I want to go back to living as a woman.
00:18:23.000And that's why I appreciate you having the conversation with me because just because I'm trans doesn't mean I agree with everything that's going on in the community.
00:18:30.000So, like, for example, if you were a typical trans activist, which you're not, I would ask the question, what is a man?
00:19:50.000But what I'm also trying to say is just because a kid says they're suicidal does not necessarily mean transitioning them will stop the suicide attempts.
00:19:59.000So that's where I think the other side, whatever side that is, and it's like all this, or the advocates are saying, hold on, if the surgery happens, all the problems will go.
00:20:31.000I didn't just say I'm trans and I got surgery and I moved on.
00:20:34.000And look, I'm not one to say you're wrong with that, by the way.
00:20:38.000If I had a guest here and they said, you know, Charlie, I just decided to only eat carrots and it saved my life.
00:20:42.000Like, okay, then you know what's best for you, right?
00:20:44.000I suppose what we're talking about is societal prescriptions and public policy prescriptions.
00:20:49.000So you would say, like, for example, the law that's being proposed in California that allows sexual reassignment surgery, no parental consent, taxpayer funded, big mistake.
00:21:59.000And why are what's the agenda attached to that?
00:22:01.000So do you think that do you think more people are then becoming kind of captured into the transgender lifestyle because there is a campaign to recruit them or to persuade them they actually might be transgender?
00:22:59.000Well, I mean, I think that there's female privilege right now in America, and I've said that for a while.
00:23:04.000Men are more likely to die at work, more likely to die of drug overdoses, more likely to go to war and die for the country, more likely to commit suicide, more likely to be homeless.
00:23:14.000Women comprise most college graduates, most master's degrees, most doctorate degrees.
00:24:44.000Now, going back to the statistics of being male and female, so I think that men, it's easier on some level to walk through the world as a man than it is to walk through the world as a woman.
00:24:53.000I mean, I can just say for me, it's just easier for me.
00:24:57.000And I see more advantage and more privilege that I get to just be this male and not be questioned on certain situations.
00:25:03.000Whereas a woman, I would be pushed to the side or I wouldn't get to have the conversation.
00:26:45.000To me, it's what I feel the most comfortable being and how I want to walk the world.
00:26:50.000But I do think masculinity is under attack on some level as a bad thing.
00:26:54.000And so I don't think masculinity is a bad thing at all.
00:26:56.000So let me ask you: when you identified as a woman, and I would argue you've never stopped being a woman, but that's not trying to offend you by saying that.
00:27:05.000Was when you were trying, when you were feminine, were you just unhappy?
00:27:09.000Oh, God, I was, you know, and I was very much a very butch woman, right?
00:27:12.000And I identified as a gay woman, and I was an athlete, you know, that very stereotypical, athletic, butchy girl.
00:29:03.000But I also think on some level, there is something today that's happening to push too many people into this space that should not be pushed into this space.
00:30:10.000So in the world now, we have what's called the internet, which screwed up everything, not only pornography, but it gives access where access should not be.
00:30:19.000And so now kids have access to pornography.
00:30:23.000And so as an adult, I think as an adult, I should be able to make whatever I make and I should be able to make it for you or whoever wants to watch it.
00:30:58.000So the more money these places make, they don't have any more morals and they don't have any more space because they're just wanting to make money.
00:31:06.000And that's really what pornography is about.
00:31:23.000And I talk to my industry all the time about how can we build a space where children, because 14 and 15 are children, should not be accessing pornography.
00:31:32.000But like, let's say even 19 year olds.
00:31:33.000That's still, to me, a child on some level, but it's not.
00:31:39.000Look, and I'm gonna, but I'm gonna be very honest.
00:31:41.000Like with someone who's actually struggled with watching pornography before, like the fact you worked in the pornography industry, I look at you as like a sexual drug dealer.
00:32:23.000The stats around pornography are unbelievable.
00:32:25.000But I can show you stats that show that's not true.
00:32:27.000Number one, number two, those people already have that inside of them.
00:32:30.000So I know many people who consume porn who have no issues at all and are perfectly no issues that you know, but this goes back to should you do what you feel is right.
00:34:18.000But when you're 17 and you get addicted to something from an industry that's a mistake or 18 or 19 or 20 or married couples that get targeted with these things.
00:35:53.000No, you know, uh-uh, that's not true at all.
00:35:55.000You're making an argument that going to the gym as harmful as no, because you asked me heroin, then pornography, and now I'm using fitness as a dopamine.
00:36:03.000When something is giving you that dopamine runch, you can't do that.
00:39:11.000We know this in the biochemical literature.
00:39:13.000Neurologically, when you start to all of a sudden addict yourself to a fake endorphin rush, which is pornography is so graphic, it's so real, you're going to want more.
00:41:20.000In the ideal, that sexual engagement should be protected and conserved and should be sacred.
00:41:26.000So let me ask you a question: things that are beautiful, should we make them everywhere always and dilute it or protect it for when it's most sacred?
00:42:08.000Is there something wrong with being unfaithful to your spouse?
00:42:11.000If it is not within the system of you and your spouse.
00:42:16.000So, if you and your spouse say, We have an open relationship and I can go and have sex with whoever I want, that's between you and your partner.
00:42:23.000Right, but I'm talking about generally more.
00:42:25.000No, cheating, I don't believe in that because you're lying to your partner, and I don't believe in lying and deceit.
00:42:29.000Do you think pornography makes cheating more abundant or less abundant?
00:42:33.000No, I think that, again, it depends on the person, and it depends on the person going at the porn.
00:42:37.000I don't think you can blame porn for all the problems in the world.
00:43:38.000If a magic wand was waved and all of a sudden all the pornography production was outlawed, you would have a lot harder time as a 14-year-old.
00:43:45.000Oh, but the problem with outlawing pornography is what happens?
00:44:38.000But it's just a broader moral question of something that is so graphic, that is so predatory, and quite honestly, so harmful to humanity.
00:44:48.000If we're not, as a society, willing to use our collective power to try and stop that, then I think it explains a lot of our other societal ills.
00:44:58.000Well, yeah, I think everything is about money now.
00:45:01.000So, you know, of course, if it's making money, the government is not going to get involved and stop it.
00:45:04.000It's the same that's happening with trans stuff.
00:46:32.000I'm still, you're going to have to build out that argument.
00:46:35.000Well, I don't know if we'll ever get there.
00:46:37.000How can the filming of something that is so sacred and special and the widespread of it somehow not do damage to the brain of the recipient?
00:46:45.000Well, the people I know who watch my pornography don't feel that way.
00:46:49.000So I don't really know how to answer that.
00:46:50.000The pornography you're watching and the things that you are talking about are not the same.
00:46:54.000Hopefully that's and I could say people that are healed from that.
00:48:03.000Well, I would definitely be open to trying to make America eat much healthier, but I don't think chocolate cake comes anywhere near to the sort of visceral chemical blitzkrieg that is actually.
00:48:13.000But that's your experience with it, which is horrible.
00:48:16.000The data shows it's tens of millions of people.
00:48:18.000If you talk to an average young man out there in an honest set of people, they will say they are depressed or anxious or suicidal, but they're not the number one feeling after watching pornography done by any psychological data is what?
00:50:17.000They do whatever they want to do whenever they're going to do it.
00:50:19.000They might be fun, to use your term, but they're hardly free.
00:50:22.000They become a victim to those vices and devices.
00:50:24.000The same, I would argue, is in the sexual realm.
00:50:26.000And I'm not trying to be a moralist by any means.
00:50:28.000I admitted, you know, how this sort of nonsense damages young people and damaged me.
00:50:34.000But I will say, though, on a very serious and real level, that if a society all of a sudden says we're not going to have virtuous or moral guardrails, then we become more depressed, unhappier, more anxious, more medicated, and more alcohol-addicted.
00:50:47.000And so that's kind of a catch-all term for basically people saying, do whatever you want to do in the sexual domain.
00:51:59.000I don't want to go too far in the spiritual domain, but let's just kind of ask this question, which is: do you think in the ideal, a monogamous heterosexual relationship is the ideal?
00:52:44.000Objectively, if a society does not have marriages that are between men and women and having children out of those marriages, that society will unravel and cease to exist.
00:52:54.000Well, I mean, again, that's not, that's possible in your space, but I think looking outside of your space, there are so many different ways of being that don't necessarily in your eyes.
00:54:39.000Now, now looking at it like that, when you explained it, I understand that.
00:54:41.000But at the same time, outside of that, my absolute truth around marriage or that might be different than your absolute truth around marriage.
00:54:48.000No, no, it might be, but the question is, what is right?
00:57:12.000It's from Aristotle, Plato, it's from the canon of the West, from Aquinas, from Augustine, from Bacon, from Newton, all of these amazing pioneers that built the West articulated a central morality that is in our books, it's in our movies, it's in our existence, which is that children are off limits.
00:57:29.000The ideal is one-man, one-woman marriage, that we should try to protect the innocent, that courageous exploration is something we should, and that's their morals.
00:58:51.000So what I'm saying is that we look at that, regardless if you're from Japan or Russia and you have an overarching view of the universe that says there is objective morality.
01:00:34.000So, yeah, look, it is a social, I don't really social construct like, I mean, this transgender movement is invoking massive damage on our own.
01:01:04.000And very much if you speak outside, they're going to come after you.
01:01:07.000I will not, as a person who transitioned 29 years ago, who lives an amazing life, who moved forward in the world, sit down and watch what's happening to the community I helped to build.
01:01:50.000I do believe what I do still is important work in my field.
01:01:54.000That being said, I also believe that people need to start understanding transgender is something that is a very small amount of people in the world.
01:02:03.000And I think on some level that we need to have the discussion around what's happening in this and why there's this push of agenda to transition people at such a fast rate.
01:02:45.000That is, you know, I don't want to say offend you at masquerading as a female or putting on a costume or whatever as a male.
01:02:52.000And I think it's really important that we stay anchored in things that are good and true and beautiful and trying to go on the journey of the exploration of the people that have gone into the fields and gone into the oceans of trying to figure out what that actually means.
01:03:04.000The Western canon is a beautiful thing.
01:03:07.000It's about protection of the innocent, you know, the courageous exploration, the journey of the unknown.
01:03:12.000And there are things in this world that are objectively true.
01:03:16.000And we must dive into those, such as sex being protected in a private domain, such as having children to be able to develop and to pursue virtue, hopefully being able to develop a society around those things.