The Charlie Kirk Show - June 17, 2025


President Trump is a Man Made for This Moment

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regime change Ron Paul extremism Iranian nuclear program Iran nuclear deal debt limit increase
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Donald Trump Lindsey Graham Ron Paul Ayatollah Mark Wayne Mullen Policy Genius Hillary Clinton George W. Bush Turning Point USA Osama Bin Laden Mario Cristobal J.B. Pritzker Viktor Orban Gavin Newsom Kathy Hochul John Bolton Dan Lanning Nick Saban JD Vance Churchill and 7 more
Ask Charlie Anything 227: Elon-Trump Kayfabe? Where's No Tax on Tips? Should You Want to Retire? The Iran Regime Change Bait-And-Switch

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Is the U.S. going to get involved in a war in Iran? Well, we have the USS Nimitz mobilizing, American troops are on guard, President Donald Trump is issuing threats to the supreme leader, we analyze and more.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 Is the U.S. going to get involved in this war in Iran?
00:00:07.000 Well, we have the USS Nimitz mobilizing.
00:00:09.000 American troops are on guard.
00:00:11.000 President Donald Trump is issuing threats to the supreme leader.
00:00:15.000 We analyze and more.
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00:01:39.000 Okay, let's do some updates about Israel and Iran and potentially the United States.
00:01:44.000 Right now, there is a mass mobilization underway of U.S. aircraft and the USS Nimitz into the Middle East to be prepared.
00:01:54.000 In fact, the president right now, President of the United States, President Trump, is sending up some very serious, He says, quote, We know exactly where the so-called supreme leader is hiding.
00:02:07.000 He is an easy target but is safe there.
00:02:09.000 We're not going to take him out. 1.00
00:02:11.000 Kill. 1.00
00:02:11.000 I love that. 1.00
00:02:12.000 At least not for now.
00:02:14.000 But we don't want missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers.
00:02:18.000 Our patience is wearing thin.
00:02:20.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter.
00:02:22.000 And then President Trump says two words in all caps.
00:02:28.000 Unconditional surrender.
00:02:30.000 For 10 years, President Donald Trump has said that Iran should not get a nuclear weapon.
00:02:35.000 For 10 years, he has been consistent about this.
00:02:39.000 And so now, President Trump is left with a choice.
00:02:42.000 Israel has done a lot of work in Iran.
00:02:45.000 They have bombed a lot of targets.
00:02:47.000 But there are some nuclear facilities where the weaponry is hidden within a mountain.
00:02:54.000 It is within a deep, deep bunker.
00:02:58.000 And it would potentially require U.S. involvement or what's called bunker-busting bombs, otherwise brokered by B-52 or American bombers.
00:03:10.000 Now, in situations like this, it's important to understand that we do not know all the facts or the circumstances or the elements surrounding this.
00:03:18.000 President Donald Trump has to make a very important decision.
00:03:22.000 Does the United States get involved kinetically against Iran?
00:03:27.000 So what would this look like?
00:03:28.000 If the United States were to get involved with Iran, you can see all public reports, it looks like there is a mobilization to the region.
00:03:37.000 America bombing Iran would be a direct escalation.
00:03:42.000 Now, it would not be the same as bombing their oil fields or even bombing the supreme leader.
00:03:49.000 The most basic action would be drop a bunker buster on their underground nuclear plant. 0.97
00:03:56.000 And some people claim that's the only thing we have to do.
00:03:59.000 But the cautionary tale that I would say both privately and publicly, and I'm going to Washington, D.C. tomorrow, and I will say this on the show, and I'll say this to anyone that will listen.
00:04:09.000 It's very hard to stop a war when you want, and it's hard to stop a war once you're in the midst of a war.
00:04:16.000 So let's say that the United States bombs Ford out with bunker-busting bombs, and Iran getting a nuclear weapon. 0.84
00:04:24.000 Not good.
00:04:25.000 No one wants that.
00:04:26.000 You can see how it's changed the geopolitical calculus when North Korea has a nuclear weapon.
00:04:32.000 It makes us treat North Korea in a way that we otherwise would not treat it. 0.84
00:04:35.000 We have to put more time, attention, detail, troops, intelligence, what otherwise would be a third world country, the fact they have a nuclear weapon. 0.90
00:04:43.000 We have to take them far more seriously.
00:04:46.000 If we were to bomb Fordow, Iran would likely and probably consider this to be an act of war.
00:04:54.000 Would they respond and try to target U.S. bases?
00:04:57.000 Would they try and target U.S. troops?
00:05:00.000 Would they activate sleeper cells within the interior of the United States?
00:05:03.000 These are all things that President Trump has to factor in.
00:05:07.000 On the other side, President Donald Trump has said, I will not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon because he has said, when crazy people have weapons of unthinkable violence, you have to deal in reality.
00:05:21.000 The longer I live, the more I realize that puritanical, ideological approaches to situations like this are not helpful.
00:05:31.000 On one side is the Lindsey Graham, John Bolton types, where they are actively calling for regime change.
00:05:39.000 Can we play the tape of Lindsey Graham yesterday? 0.92
00:05:42.000 Who's just, quite honestly, just making a lunatic of himself. 0.98
00:05:47.000 He just looks like a lunatic on that. 0.97
00:05:48.000 Time for us to close the chapter on the mullahs and the ayatollah. 0.60
00:05:52.000 So let me first just paint to you the two extremes, and then also let you know that's actually not how life works.
00:05:58.000 And Donald Trump is actually rejecting both extremes.
00:06:02.000 Here is Lindsey Graham. 0.75
00:06:03.000 This is just lunacy.
00:06:07.000 This kind of analysis is not helpful.
00:06:09.000 This kind of approach, this kind of argument...
00:06:18.000 This is now that we want to go all in and take out the regime.
00:06:25.000 It's time for us to close the chapter on the Iranian Ayatollah and his henchmen and start a new chapter in the Middle East. 0.97
00:06:34.000 That sounds good, doesn't it?
00:06:36.000 But what have we learned when it comes to wars, and especially wars in the Middle East?
00:06:41.000 What you draw up on a whiteboard...
00:06:46.000 What you think theoretically is going to occur, there might be unintended and unforeseen consequences, especially when you're talking about a country two and a half times the size of Texas and has 90 million people and was an ancient and great power with well over a dozen ethnic groups.
00:07:09.000 You have underground Christians. 0.99
00:07:12.000 You don't really have many Jews left in Persia, but also you have secular younger Persians.
00:07:17.000 Who's going to run the country exactly, Lindsey Graham? 0.97
00:07:19.000 This sounds like Hillary Rodham Clinton in Libya.
00:07:23.000 So I'm pointing to the first extreme right now, the neoconservative extreme, the we must go take off the head of the snake right now.
00:07:31.000 And Donald Trump is doing a phenomenal job of resisting these calls for regime change.
00:07:37.000 He's playing around with it on Truth Social, as he should rhetorically.
00:07:42.000 President Trump should rhetorically taunt and rhetorically threaten regime change.
00:07:49.000 Absolutely he should engage in information warfare.
00:07:52.000 Play cut 285.
00:07:54.000 Be all in, President Trump, in helping Israel eliminate the nuclear threat. 0.53
00:07:59.000 If we need to provide bombs to Israel, provide bombs. 0.97
00:08:02.000 If we need to fly planes with Israel, Do joint operations. 0.76
00:08:06.000 But here's the bigger question.
00:08:07.000 Wouldn't the world be better off if the Ayatollahs went away and replaced by something better? 1.00
00:08:12.000 Wouldn't Iran be better off? 1.00
00:08:14.000 It's time to close the chapter on the Iranian Ayatollah and his henchmen. 0.94
00:08:17.000 Let's close that chapter soon and start a new chapter in the Mideast, one of tolerance, hope, and peace.
00:08:23.000 Okay, that sounds good, but that's pathologically insane.
00:08:28.000 I'm sorry.
00:08:28.000 It is.
00:08:29.000 How do you know it's going to be better?
00:08:31.000 Yeah, the Ayatollah's awful.
00:08:33.000 But maybe he's one of the few guys that can keep that country together and not have a 90 million person civil war.
00:08:42.000 Lindsey Graham is so consistently out of his mind, it's hard to even comprehend.
00:08:48.000 Iran is hugely diverse.
00:08:50.000 It is a massive country.
00:08:54.000 Do the people agitating for war even know that?
00:08:57.000 Because be clear, regime change is war.
00:09:00.000 Just to understand, regime change is not like changing the head coach at the Chicago Bears.
00:09:05.000 It's not how it works.
00:09:06.000 Oh, we're going to bring a new head coach.
00:09:08.000 I think that some people think that it's as easy in, like, sports terms.
00:09:12.000 Oh, we're just, okay, Nick Saban is gone.
00:09:16.000 We're going to go bring in the coach from University of Washington.
00:09:20.000 Sorry, Andrew.
00:09:21.000 Oh, okay.
00:09:22.000 Mario Cristobal left the University of Oregon.
00:09:25.000 We're going to go bring in Dan Lanning, which actually ended up being very good regime change.
00:09:29.000 It doesn't work that way.
00:09:31.000 It's not like a clean transfer.
00:09:34.000 Typically in the Mideast, it's very messy, creates a quagmire, and then there is civil war.
00:09:40.000 Do you understand how large Iran is?
00:09:43.000 It's massive.
00:09:44.000 It's a very big country.
00:09:46.000 It's mountainous.
00:09:48.000 It makes Afghanistan and Iraq look like a cakewalk. 1.00
00:09:51.000 Just look at this beast of a country with all the different regions, all the different dialects. 1.00
00:09:56.000 And then you have a major refugee concern of Mohammedans that will come to Europe and endanger more Christians than Jews and Mohammedans that will come to America. 0.99
00:10:07.000 No, that is wrong.
00:10:08.000 So that is one extreme.
00:10:10.000 Now Donald Trump rejects that and he says, no, no, no, I don't want regime change.
00:10:13.000 He's never ran on regime change.
00:10:15.000 He doesn't believe in regime change.
00:10:16.000 He is resistant to that.
00:10:18.000 But there is another extreme.
00:10:20.000 There is another extreme, and I get the temptation of being the other extreme.
00:10:26.000 I actually agree with a lot of this other extreme.
00:10:28.000 A lot.
00:10:29.000 I think it's healthy to have this other extreme more than the neoconservative extreme, because this extreme has been underrepresented in the public dialogue and discourse the last 20 years.
00:10:38.000 The other extreme is one that I deep respect and reverence for, because I actually think if we had that other extreme, we would not have invaded Iraq.
00:10:46.000 This other extreme is philosophically important.
00:10:50.000 Important to consider, and that's the Ron Paul extreme.
00:10:52.000 And I love Ron Paul.
00:10:54.000 Ron Paul is awesome.
00:10:56.000 I would have Ron Paul on the show regularly.
00:10:58.000 He is a hero because Ron Paul had the courage to challenge old, sacred cows of the Republican Party.
00:11:07.000 He made people defend the indefensible.
00:11:11.000 But the Ron Paul perspective is strictly isolationist.
00:11:16.000 He would say, who cares if oil goes to $140 a barrel?
00:11:20.000 That's not our role.
00:11:21.000 We don't need to police the Strait of Hormuz.
00:11:24.000 It doesn't matter if Iran gets a nuclear weapon.
00:11:27.000 Kind of fortress America, fortify it, and let the rest of the world do what it wants to do.
00:11:32.000 Sounds good, but it doesn't work as the American economy is actually largely dependent on intertwined global trade. 0.51
00:11:39.000 You don't have to like it.
00:11:40.000 It's the way it is.
00:11:42.000 I'm going to keep on building up these two extremes because President Donald Trump actually finds himself in the era methodic mean and a very prudent middle to weigh both options.
00:11:57.000 He is not an isolationist nor a neocon.
00:11:59.000 He's an American patriot.
00:12:01.000 Also, let me add on the Lindsey Graham side. 0.97
00:12:03.000 Bombing the oil field sounds good, right?
00:12:06.000 Okay, you want summer gas to go to $180 a barrel and to go to $7 a gallon?
00:12:12.000 I don't think so.
00:12:13.000 The Iranians have said they have a couple red lines.
00:12:16.000 Taking out the Ayatollah and bombing their economy is probably one of them. 1.00
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00:13:26.000 Music So you have these two extremes.
00:13:31.000 I honestly don't think the neoconservative extreme needs to be represented philosophically anymore.
00:13:36.000 It's uninteresting to me.
00:13:37.000 They've done a mess of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, the entire Middle East, Ukraine. 1.00
00:13:42.000 We know what the neoconservatives believe.
00:13:45.000 I do think hearing out, and honestly, I agree with a lot of the I think isolationist is used as a pejorative, but let's just say restrained community.
00:13:56.000 But it doesn't matter what Charlie Kirk believes.
00:13:59.000 It's actually not that relevant.
00:14:00.000 Let me tell you what President Trump has in front of him.
00:14:03.000 And this is the stuff of which statesmen are made.
00:14:07.000 A statesman is a man at the highest moment when you have the weight of the shoulders, like Churchill or Lincoln, of the world on your shoulders, you act with prudence and not on ideological fervor.
00:14:20.000 President Donald Trump is a man made for this moment.
00:14:23.000 This is why President Trump was elected President of the United States.
00:14:28.000 So on one side, he's getting phone calls from Lindsey Graham.
00:14:33.000 Mr. President, we need to invade Iran and liberate the mullahs. 1.00
00:14:38.000 Wrong.
00:14:39.000 That's a non-starter.
00:14:41.000 I'm sorry, George W. Bush.
00:14:43.000 That was an administration ender for George W. Bush.
00:14:46.000 And the more that we remind people about Iraq and Afghanistan, I actually think it allows us towards a healthy way of viewing what's happening in Iran.
00:14:57.000 And then the other side, which is the online MAGA base, especially the younger MAGA base, is very against U.S. involvement in Iran.
00:15:07.000 And I understand it.
00:15:09.000 I share it.
00:15:10.000 I get it.
00:15:12.000 I totally understand it.
00:15:14.000 We've known nothing but quagmire, lies, deception, intel agencies that have spied on Trump, intel agencies that lied about weapons of mass destruction, intel agencies that misled us about Libya, intel agencies that led us about almost every single corner of the region.
00:15:33.000 We took an online poll.
00:15:35.000 90% of our audience and 400,000 people voted were against the United States getting involved in a war in Iran.
00:15:44.000 President Donald Trump has been saying this for nearly 10 years.
00:15:48.000 Here's a montage of President Trump saying Iran cannot have nuclear weapons.
00:15:52.000 Play cut 315.
00:15:54.000 You cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon.
00:15:57.000 You cannot let it happen because the But everybody stopped.
00:16:04.000 They were ready to make a deal.
00:16:06.000 We would have made a deal that was great for everybody.
00:16:07.000 No nuclear weapons.
00:16:08.000 You can't give them nuclear weapons.
00:16:10.000 Now they're going to have a nuclear weapon.
00:16:11.000 But I wanted to make a deal with them.
00:16:13.000 No nuclear weapons.
00:16:13.000 You can't have nuclear weapons.
00:16:15.000 Nuclear weapons are the single greatest threat to this world.
00:16:19.000 To the whole world.
00:16:20.000 And Viktor Orban understands that.
00:16:22.000 And some others do, too.
00:16:23.000 I just didn't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
00:16:25.000 I said, you know, we're going to make a great deal.
00:16:26.000 Everybody's going to be happy.
00:16:27.000 You're going to be rich as hell again.
00:16:29.000 Everything's going to be great.
00:16:30.000 But you cannot have a nuclear weapon.
00:16:32.000 You can't let Iran have nuclear weapons.
00:16:35.000 Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
00:16:38.000 Very simple.
00:16:39.000 They cannot have a nuclear weapon.
00:16:42.000 And that's just a short little taste of what he's been saying for 10 years.
00:16:46.000 It's the man in the arena that counts.
00:16:49.000 It's easy to lob criticisms.
00:16:52.000 Easy to say, oh, why is it you are even mobilizing?
00:16:59.000 The USS Nimitz, and we have no idea how this is going to work out, but I encourage you, as you view the next couple of days, to not view things overly ideological.
00:17:09.000 In fact, we should resist ideological fervor.
00:17:12.000 Saying, oh, take out the oil fields! 0.68
00:17:14.000 No one wants poverty for the Iranian people.
00:17:16.000 You take out the oil fields, get ready for $180 a barrel gas, a lot of Iranians starting to starve, and potentially an Iranian civil war.
00:17:25.000 Take out the Ayatollah! 1.00
00:17:27.000 Resist that temptation.
00:17:29.000 That's not prudence. 0.97
00:17:31.000 That's not self-control.
00:17:33.000 That's something else talking.
00:17:35.000 That's a zeal. 0.92
00:17:36.000 And that very same zeal got us involved in a pile of garbage in Iraq. 0.89
00:17:42.000 It all felt good with shock and awe in March of 2003.
00:17:46.000 We're unstoppable.
00:17:47.000 We're going to take Iraq in a weekend. 1.00
00:17:49.000 Turns out it didn't work that way.
00:17:50.000 A lot of people died.
00:17:52.000 A lot of Americans died unnecessarily.
00:17:54.000 And so President Donald Trump finds himself in the Decision-making chair.
00:18:01.000 President Donald Trump, 10 years ago, said two things.
00:18:06.000 And he ran on it.
00:18:07.000 Not just recently, but he ran on it for a decade.
00:18:10.000 And both these things can simultaneously be true only thanks to the real politic approach of President Donald Trump and the MAGA agenda, a book that I wrote.
00:18:22.000 These two things he said 10 years ago.
00:18:24.000 Iraq war was a bloody catastrophe and a disaster, and it will never happen again, and Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon. 0.83
00:18:31.000 Only President Donald Trump can hold both those things in his hands.
00:18:36.000 Only President Trump, with prudence and practicality and wisdom, is able to weigh them both, thread the needle, and walk the tightrope.
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00:19:53.000 We have with us a great man from Oklahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, who is the liaison between the House and the Senate for the big, beautiful bill.
00:20:00.000 We're also going to ask about Israel and Iran as well.
00:20:03.000 Senator, great to see you.
00:20:04.000 Hey, Charlie.
00:20:04.000 How are you doing, brother?
00:20:05.000 I'm doing great.
00:20:06.000 First on the Iranian news, what is your analysis of what is happening?
00:20:11.000 What is going on?
00:20:12.000 Iranian nuclear program.
00:20:14.000 And what is your thoughts on how Israel's been handling and brokering this war?
00:20:18.000 Well, I think it's interesting for...
00:20:24.000 I want you to understand what you brought up, Nimitz, repositioning.
00:20:27.000 The president's posture here is the one word we need to take away is deterrence.
00:20:31.000 The president is trying to prevent an all-out war by deterrence, peace through strength, which I think is very important here.
00:20:38.000 As far as Israel, I think Israel is doing everybody in that entire region.
00:20:44.000 I don't care if you're Egypt or you're Egypt. 1.00
00:20:54.000 I don't care who you are, if you're in that region, you do not want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon because they will kick off a nuclear war if they have it. 0.99
00:21:06.000 So Israel's doing them a favor by taking the fight to them. 0.98
00:21:09.000 And I think they're doing a great job.
00:21:13.000 And it's systematically too, right?
00:21:15.000 So you think about it that the Iranians, So they fight proxy wars, and they fight proxy wars with Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah.
00:21:31.000 And over the last year and a half, I mean, literally, Israel has decimated every one of them. 0.94
00:21:38.000 And then they took out their air defense.
00:21:40.000 Which Israel now controls the air defense over Iran, showing that they were just simply loud mouths, not able to back up anything. 0.87
00:21:49.000 People worried about a full-scale war.
00:21:51.000 it would be nearly impossible for the Iranian regime to actually be able to put troops into Israel.
00:21:57.000 Now they can fight a cohort war, which they are.
00:22:00.000 They're shooting missiles, which they are.
00:22:02.000 I believe that you're going to see a lot more terrorist-style activity happening in Israel, God forbid.
00:22:09.000 But what President Trump has done here is he's positioning assets by warning Iran because there has been Some credible information that they would like to hit the United States because they feel like that we are supporting Israel, which we are, but at the same time, they don't want to draw us into the fight.
00:22:30.000 And what we're doing is we're positioning ourselves so they don't draw us in a fight.
00:22:34.000 And so I think Trump is handling this, President Trump is handling this very well.
00:22:39.000 And Israelis are doing the Lord's work here by literally... 1.00
00:22:49.000 And so what do you have to say for some people, and I share some of this concern, that we do not want regime change.
00:22:55.000 Is there something short of regime change, of getting rid of the nuclear program and not potentially destabilizing the country that could result in a civil war?
00:23:03.000 I'm basically asking, in your estimation, Senator, what do you think victory looks like?
00:23:07.000 We are absolutely not talking about regime change.
00:23:09.000 The president hasn't talked about it.
00:23:11.000 We are not.
00:23:11.000 This is not Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State having the Arab Spring.
00:23:17.000 That is not.
00:23:18.000 What we're trying to do here.
00:23:19.000 President Trump has made it extremely clear that he would love to have diplomatic relationships.
00:23:26.000 He even talked about trade with Iran.
00:23:28.000 However, they will never be able to have a nuclear weapon.
00:23:31.000 So what victory looks like is their inability to ever have a nuclear weapon, or inability, that we never want them to have a nuclear weapon.
00:23:40.000 So when we can knock out their infrastructure and prevent that from ever happening, that is victory.
00:23:46.000 And this is what prevents a forever war, by the way.
00:23:49.000 When you don't know what victory looks like, if you can't define victory, that's how you have a forever war.
00:23:55.000 I'd go back and use the argument in Afghanistan. 0.98
00:23:58.000 After we took out Osama bin Laden, we should have left. 0.95
00:24:02.000 We shouldn't have dragged that on.
00:24:04.000 And I think a lot of guys that fought there would feel the same.
00:24:09.000 And so if you can define victory before it starts, which that's what President Trump has said, we will never allow you to have a nuclear weapon, ever.
00:24:20.000 Full stop.
00:24:21.000 We knock out their infrastructure, we're done.
00:24:23.000 As far as regime change, that's not on us.
00:24:26.000 That's on the people of Iran to figure out what they want to do themselves.
00:24:30.000 That's not our fight or our problem.
00:24:34.000 Yeah, and look, J.D. Vance made a really important point.
00:24:37.000 President Trump has been remarkably consistent about Iran not having a nuclear weapon.
00:24:45.000 Ten years ago yesterday, Senator Mullen, President Trump business.
00:24:53.000 And a little buried nugget in his speech was, I will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. 0.82
00:24:59.000 This was 10 years ago.
00:25:01.000 He talked about the border.
00:25:03.000 He talked about an invasion.
00:25:04.000 He talked about trade.
00:25:05.000 He talked about how we don't win anymore.
00:25:08.000 Let's play cut 303.
00:25:10.000 The consistency 10 years later.
00:25:12.000 It's really something.
00:25:14.000 Play cut 303.
00:25:15.000 I will stop Iran. 1.00
00:25:18.000 From getting nuclear weapons, and we won't be using a man like Secretary Kerry that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, who's making a horrible and laughable deal, who's just being tapped along as they make weapons right now.
00:25:36.000 Senator, that was ten years ago.
00:25:38.000 This is a through line of the MAGA movement.
00:25:40.000 Thoughts?
00:25:41.000 Well, I think you said it right, Charlie.
00:25:44.000 President Trump has been very consistent.
00:25:46.000 He has made it very clear we will not allow you to have a nuclear weapon.
00:25:49.000 Full stop.
00:25:50.000 And that's what this fight is all about.
00:25:52.000 Unfortunately, the Biden administration did not keep the Trump administration policies in place on anything, which is why you had disastrous withdrawal out of Afghanistan.
00:26:00.000 We had disastrous foreign policies all over the country.
00:26:03.000 That's why the Ukraine war started.
00:26:05.000 That's why we had destabilization around the world and aggressive China, because they got away from it. 0.99
00:26:12.000 But you also had an aggressive Iran who... 0.99
00:26:20.000 President Trump, by the time he got in, unfortunately, diplomacy wasn't working.
00:26:25.000 President Trump said in April that they have 60 days.
00:26:30.000 They have 60 days, and I think it was April 12th, that they had 60 days to negotiate doing away with their nuclear program.
00:26:39.000 And by the way, at midnight on the 60th day, going into the 61st day, is where the airstrikes from Israel started.
00:26:46.000 So he doesn't bluff.
00:26:49.000 Once he puts a red line out, he makes that red line very clear and decisive, and he backs it up.
00:26:57.000 And so, Senator, for people that I represent in my generation, and I share a lot of this, we're very weary of long quagmires Iraq war.
00:27:06.000 But President Trump has a different philosophy here.
00:27:09.000 He wants violent, precise action.
00:27:13.000 He does not allow a publicly stated line to not have fulfillment.
00:27:20.000 And what is the profundity and the significance of that when it comes to foreign policy?
00:27:25.000 People know where he stands.
00:27:27.000 It's clarity.
00:27:29.000 He's made his point clear in his position, and he's backing it up by repositioning our assets by deterrence.
00:27:38.000 Wanting to fight a war, but he is showing that he's prepared to fight if he must.
00:27:44.000 But he's at the same time, he's been through this whole bombing campaign, too.
00:27:48.000 He said he's been saying, I wish Iran would have came to the table. 0.68
00:27:51.000 I wish it would talk.
00:27:53.000 We're still willing to talk, but you're going to have to come to our terms.
00:27:56.000 We're not negotiating on your terms.
00:27:58.000 He has been consistent through this, through this entire situation, and that has been When world leaders know that they can trust what you say, and you're also backing it up with Reagan foreign policy, peace to strength, it gets people's attention.
00:28:14.000 And there is nobody better than this.
00:28:17.000 And by the way, there's nobody that wants peace more than President Trump as well.
00:28:21.000 And you can achieve both by showing strength and having straight talk.
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00:29:33.000 Senator Mullen, you're the liaison between the House and the Senate when it comes to the big, beautiful bill.
00:29:38.000 What should our audience know about these negotiations?
00:29:41.000 Well, they're fluid, and the president is very, very involved in this, Charlie.
00:29:46.000 What we don't want to do is get in a ping-pong back and forth where the House sends, where we send this back to the House, the House amends it, sends it back to us, and we end up going in to conference, and that would take weeks, if not months, to negotiate.
00:30:00.000 What we're trying to do is work all the problems out now, like with SALT, with the debt limit, with Medicare and Medicaid.
00:30:08.000 When we start talking about some debt limit increase, that is a very sticky subject for some because there's a lot of people in both chambers that doesn't want to put debt limit increase in this.
00:30:20.000 But understand that if we don't do this, this is a leverage point for the Democrats because we will have to raise our debt limit.
00:30:27.000 If we don't raise our debt limit, then we default.
00:30:29.000 And this is what I said on multiple places, not raising our debt limit is like not getting a business loan when you're buying a felon business.
00:30:38.000 You can have a business plan to make it profitable, but it doesn't mean you're going to make it profitable the first day.
00:30:50.000 There's a good chance that we can balance a budget in three years.
00:30:54.000 And this might get us to three years, depending on how much growth we have.
00:30:58.000 $4.5 trillion.
00:30:59.000 Huge debt increase.
00:31:00.000 I get that.
00:31:01.000 But we have to do it to get out of this problem.
00:31:03.000 As President Trump said, he didn't create this problem.
00:31:06.000 He inherited it.
00:31:07.000 It's on us to fix it.
00:31:08.000 And we've got to try fixing it.
00:31:10.000 And this bill moves us that way.
00:31:12.000 But I think probably the two sticky points.
00:31:16.000 Is the debt limit increase?
00:31:21.000 Well, three.
00:31:21.000 Debt limit increase, deficit reduction, and salt.
00:31:26.000 And salt could be the poison pill here if we don't get it right.
00:31:30.000 And so, yeah, we can't allow a poison pill.
00:31:35.000 Senator, you're from Oklahoma.
00:31:36.000 Oklahoma's well-run.
00:31:37.000 Governor Stitt is great.
00:31:38.000 You know that I visited Oklahoma State University.
00:31:41.000 You guys, I think, balance your budget or get close to it in an approximation of it.
00:31:45.000 You know, you guys have a great tax policy.
00:31:49.000 I don't understand.
00:31:50.000 What is the argument from Republicans for SALT other than they want to bring goodies home?
00:31:54.000 They are subsidizing J.B. Pritzker and Gavin Newsom and Kathy Hochul.
00:31:58.000 I know you've got to be the negotiator.
00:32:00.000 I know you've got to try to make a deal happen on SALT.
00:32:02.000 But I've got to be honest, it is a penalty for well-run red states. 1.00
00:32:07.000 Sure.
00:32:07.000 So, first of all, every state.
00:32:09.000 And the union is supposed to pass a balanced budget.
00:32:12.000 they're not allowed to carry debt.
00:32:13.000 United States, that's why I say if we would actually bring back line item appropriations where we had to appropriate every single dollar instead of bundling dollars like states do, we could actually probably balance our budget because what Doja's doing is just exactly what states do every day is they line item every single penny that is spent since we
00:32:49.000 Obviously, we do in the Senate, too.
00:32:51.000 And there's five representatives that this is their big issue.
00:32:56.000 And without their support, No, I get that.
00:33:00.000 I'm not minimalizing that.
00:33:02.000 So there's that negotiation that it's what our founding fathers wanted, right?
00:33:06.000 They wanted people to represent their backyard.
00:33:08.000 And I agree, state of Oklahoma should not be subsidizing New York and California because they have high property taxes and poor leadership in their state.
00:33:21.000 Used to, SALT was, you know, you could deduct all your property tax and you get a full deduction on it.
00:33:29.000 We cut that down to $10,000.
00:33:31.000 Your maximum was $10,000 that you couldn't claim more than $10,000 in these communities, which is the average household pays about $7,000 a month or $7,000 a year in property tax.
00:33:44.000 That's across the United States.
00:33:46.000 Obviously, in these blue-ran states, your property tax is much, much higher.
00:33:50.000 What we're negotiating right now is like, how can we get there?
00:33:53.000 The House bill put in $40,000 as a cap, which is an astronomical amount for states that – Or red states?
00:34:06.000 You're like, what?
00:34:06.000 You're paying $40,000 in property tax?
00:34:09.000 That's crazy.
00:34:10.000 But in New York, that's actually pretty common because, once again, they have a very poor rent state and they spend way more money than what they should be, so they put it on property owners' backs.
00:34:21.000 What we're negotiating right now is saying, okay, we're going to have to do something.
00:34:26.000 It's at $40,000 on the house.
00:34:30.000 Their number is 40,000, but what if we cap it?
00:34:33.000 What if we just cap it for those that need the benefit the most?
00:34:37.000 That's your teachers, your first responders, your factory workers, your line workers.
00:34:43.000 I mean, lower-income individuals.
00:34:46.000 Thank you, Senator Mullen.
00:34:47.000 Got to go.
00:34:48.000 Great, thank you.
00:34:49.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:50.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:53.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.