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00:01:32.000Well, listen, we booked you, sir, to talk about early voting, which began yesterday, and we encourage everybody to get out and vote.
00:01:40.000Early in Texas, Ken Paxton, vote Ken Paxton.
00:01:44.000But then some news broke this morning where the President of the United States, President Trump, was speaking with reporters and he says at 12 30 Eastern today, so in approximately 23 minutes, he is going to make an endorsement one way or the other in your race for Senate.
00:02:02.000And I will say it we love the President, we have his back.
00:02:06.000But regardless, in this instance, of the decision he makes, Turning Point Action is already endorsed for you, sir.
00:02:34.000I've obviously been a supporter of President Trump for a long time, stuck with him through even the tough times when they were going after him, went to his trial when no one else showed up, but the son.
00:02:50.000I'm continuing my fight right now with Cornyn during this early voting period and really need the support of Texans.
00:02:56.000But we all know that Donald Trump's endorsement is the most significant endorsement in the country and maybe the most significant endorsement in my lifetime.
00:03:05.000I've never seen anybody have such an impact on elections as the president, as his endorsement has.
00:03:46.000You certainly have grabbed onto it, and you carry the mantle of America first, as well as anybody in the country, Mr. Attorney General Paxton.
00:03:57.000And I think Charlie saw this in you, and he saw the opposite, frankly, in John Cornyn.
00:04:08.000I have never, in my 10 years of doing this, seen such an intentional, brazen, and defiant mode of action as what I have just seen from John Cornyn.
00:04:22.000I have never seen, in my 10 years of doing this, someone so openly rebuked by their voters and then so quickly turning 180 degrees around and saying, Don't care.
00:04:46.000Instead of being allied with his voters and be like, maybe there's something I could learn here, he pokes them in the eye and says, no, I'm the senator.
00:05:13.000I know exactly what he's talking about.
00:05:15.000He's gone against our Republican base over and over for his entire 42 years in office.
00:05:22.000And I think what he's referring to in that message is he's talking about when he sided with Joe Biden on restricting Second Amendment rights.
00:05:31.000And when he did that, he got booed at the Texas Republican convention for 30 straight minutes while he spoke.
00:05:37.000And after he left, he had complete disdain for the voters, thinking these guys don't matter.
00:06:02.000So here's let's just call out the elephant in the room here, Ken.
00:06:07.000You've got people in the party, in the establishment.
00:06:12.000Especially in DC, that say you can't win a general, you can't win a race, you're too conservative, you're too America first, you're too MAGA, you can't win against Talrico, right?
00:06:45.000Other Republicans that had a hundred times of the money that I had.
00:06:49.000I get outspent by a lot of money, and yet I've always performed better than these naysayers talk about.
00:06:53.000There's no polling that suggests that what they're saying is true.
00:06:57.000John Cornin's used this as a talking point because he knows that the Republican base does not appreciate how he's treated them for the last 42 years, and they're sick of it.
00:07:06.000And he's like, Well, it doesn't matter because I'm still a Republican and I'm better than Tellerica, I'm the only one that can win.
00:08:17.000And you are the guy that inspires them, that gives them enthusiasm, that gives them faith that they have a fighter being sent to Washington, D.C.
00:08:24.000And so that's the whole crux of the issue here.
00:08:27.000If you take away their fighter, they may just stay home and you get James Talrico.
00:09:43.000How much do you predict is going to be spent against you when this is said and done?
00:09:46.000So, in the first round, the primary before the run, it was $100 million.
00:09:50.000So, I'm guessing somewhere between a total of $130 and $150 million that could have gone to North Carolina, that could have gone to Georgia, that could have gone to Maine.
00:09:58.000And yet, for some reason, they decided to waste it on John Cornyn.
00:10:02.000That's a crime against the GOP base, sir.
00:10:06.000We have your back, and we're going to be watching this endorsement closely.
00:10:10.000Mr. President, We hope you make the right decision here.
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00:12:50.000Well, it's interesting that President Trump is wading into this because he often has preferred to stay out, I feel, of races that do seem genuinely 50 50 because the president likes to.
00:13:03.000He cares about getting guys who are allies, but he also just cares a lot about being the winner who's always decisive and deciding things.
00:13:10.000And he very much wants to avoid any race where he could make an endorsement and then fall short.
00:13:58.000I think the people of Texas have Ken Paxton's back, especially in a primary vote.
00:14:03.000And we made the point in that interview with Ken that, yeah, okay, the dig on you is that you're too conservative, you can't win a general.
00:14:12.000But he won his last race by 10 points in the state of Texas.
00:14:16.000I think President Trump won the 2024 election by 14 in Texas, 13 or 14.
00:14:35.000It doesn't matter if you send Cornyn or Paxton up, I think, just from a polling standpoint.
00:14:40.000But I think in the midterm, when you don't have President Trump on the ballot, you have to, if you're going to energize the base to turn out, You got to have somebody with a spine, with America First credentials to drive that election.
00:14:52.000The most important thing is you just can't have a senator from Texas who is a Republican and is pro amnesty.
00:15:11.000And President Trump defies that because he sort of was the instrument to bring some of this to bear.
00:15:16.000And get it to the forefront to get us talking about immigration in the right way, to get us talking about social issues with a spine and with a backbone.
00:15:25.000One of the first things when I was at Fox in 2017, we were getting leaks from staffers in Cornyn's office that he was not aligned on immigration.
00:15:35.000And in fact, he was saying one thing and doing another in private.
00:15:39.000And we were getting things of that nature from his office.
00:16:26.000I think he's got to remember that his base is begging and pleading that the things that he promised in 2024 get accomplished.
00:16:33.000I think the president's doing amazing work on so many different issues tariffs, bringing back domestic manufacturing, the spirit of growth and optimism, the golden era, all of those things.
00:16:44.000Immigration enforcement, the borders closed.
00:16:46.000There's a lot to praise the president about.
00:16:49.000The end of DEI and the resurgence of meritocracy throughout the government.
00:16:53.000We have the lowest federal government employment rates.
00:17:00.000So we're making a lot of headway, right?
00:17:03.000There are 300,000 plus federal employees that either no longer have a job or the position hasn't been filled because they are cutting the fat.
00:17:10.000JD Vance, at the president's direction, is doing a tremendous job.
00:17:14.000I actually have an op ed coming out on Thursday about this.
00:17:18.000So many good things to praise and to celebrate.
00:17:22.000And one of those core pieces is personnel.
00:17:25.000The president has done such a good job picking better people.
00:17:27.000In Trump 2.0, than he did in Trump 1.0.
00:17:30.000Of course, you're still going to get some traitors and some saboteurs that come through and that they find a way into the mix, but that's the exception, not the rule this time.
00:17:40.000Also, Senate, Congress, you got to have fighters that have your back.
00:17:45.000The Democrats stick together like white on rice.
00:17:48.000They are inseparable, they vote as a block.
00:17:51.000And we need to get better as conservatives to have people like Ken Paxton that are going to have your back when the chips are down.
00:17:59.000Things are tough and you're back against the wall.
00:18:40.000He says, The highly respected Attorney General of Texas, Ken Paxton, an America First patriot, and someone who has always been extremely loyal to me and our amazing MAGA movement, is running for the U.S. Senate to represent a place I love and won big three times with 6.4 million votes in 2024, the most in the history of the state by far.
00:19:11.000Ken will help me do all the things I want, making America bigger, better, and stronger than ever before.
00:19:16.000Ken is a true MAGA warrior who has always delivered for Texas and will continue to do so in the United States Senate.
00:19:23.000He says John Cornyn is a good man and I worked well with him, but he is not supportive of me when times were tough.
00:19:30.000And despite having the most successful economy in the history of the country in my first term, John was very late in backing me in what turned out to be a historic run for the Republican nomination and then the presidency.
00:19:42.000Ken has gone through a lot and, in many cases, very unfairly, but he is a fighter and knows how to win.
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00:20:51.000This is content that's actually worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points, but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.
00:20:59.000That's what stands out about Angel to me.
00:21:01.000They're willing to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture, and the bigger conversations you and I should be having.
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00:21:27.000I want to bring in Jay Town, who is a career prosecutor.
00:21:31.000He's a Newsmax contributor, but he's been in so many criminal cases, violent crimes, death penalty cases.
00:21:43.000So this morning, there is ongoing, right now, there is a hearing going on.
00:21:49.000Judge Tony Graff is hearing arguments from the defense on various topics.
00:21:57.000You had a busy morning, but you're catching bits and pieces of it here, Jay.
00:22:01.000It seems to be most of this around so far has been around as they're trying to get one of the prosecutors held in contempt for breaking a gag order.
00:22:11.000And it appears to be related to that ATF report, which was the first time we had you on the show.
00:22:19.000So, Rule 3.6, so the rules of professional responsibility, which every lawyer has to follow.
00:22:24.000And as a prosecutor, relevant here, Says that it involves pretrial publicity.
00:22:30.000And so you can't make extrajudicial statements, meaning out of court statements, that would materially prejudice the defendant.
00:22:37.000So let's say I know something is hearsay and inadmissible, but I go on TV and I talk about that evidence, knowing that a jury's never going to hear it.
00:22:45.000That is an extrajudicial statement that does materially prejudice a defendant and is prohibited.
00:22:52.000The problem, and I'm glad the state prosecutors nailed Robinson's defense counsel on this today.
00:22:59.000Because this bugged me the first time you had me on your show.
00:23:02.000And all we had, we didn't have the ATF report at the time, but I told you that I guarantee you that that ATF report suggests that it could not be excluded that the bullet found in Charlie Kirk's body came from that rifle.
00:23:17.000It wasn't just that they were unable to identify a match between the bullet and the rifle, and that it was a.30 caliber class bullet, meaning that's the type of bullet that is fired from the gun that has Robinson's DNA on it.
00:23:30.000But that was excluded from the defense counsel's motion.
00:23:37.000We also understand that it says it's unable to identify or exclude, right?
00:23:43.000Or exclude, meaning we don't know because it was such a badly damaged, shrapneled, mushroomed round that was found in Charlie's body.
00:23:52.000So we just can't give any meaningful analysis to it to match the striations of the 30 out of 6 that was found.
00:24:00.000And Jay, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I got to throw this original image up.
00:24:05.000So this all came back down to the Daily Mail article that came out at the time, which let's just read their headline here Bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not.
00:24:17.000All caps did not match, not match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson.
00:24:23.000This sent the internet and the Twitter sphere absolutely bonkers ablaze, crazy, right?
00:24:30.000So, for like it was like 36 hours, this thing did I don't know 40 million engagements on Twitter alone, let alone all the YouTube videos that were made of it, TikToks, and everything.
00:24:41.000So, this misleading headline went probably three times around the world before the truth had a chance to get its pants on.
00:24:49.000And so the defense attorney or the prosecutors apparently, let me just pull up the exact quote because it is important.
00:24:59.000I want to make sure I get my exact quote here, sir.
00:25:03.000He apparently spoke to the press, and this would be Chris Ballard on the prosecution's team.
00:25:09.000He said, When a bullet fragment analysis comes back as inconclusive, that means the fragment did not contain enough detail for the examiner to say one way or the other.
00:25:18.000We have ample evidence to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson. Committed this murder, and we will present some of that evidence at the upcoming preliminary hearing, and then we will present all of that evidence at the trial.
00:25:29.000When you hear that quote directly, so this is the quote in question that they're saying that Chris Ballard should be held in contempt for making that statement to the press.
00:25:39.000When you see it in context, right, of what the media was doing, the Daily Mail article specifically, that you came on the show the next day to rebut, what do you feel like he broke that rule, or do you think he's well within his rights?
00:25:59.000The defense motion that said that they were unable to identify that bullet matching the gun, and that they want to call the ATF now to present exculpatory, meaning not guilty, didn't do it.
00:26:12.000You can't prove this beyond a reasonable doubt because there is exculpatory evidence in this ATF report.
00:26:20.000Like you said, that went around the world before the truth could put on its pants.
00:26:24.000And so, under Rule 3.6, that was heavily cited by defense counsel today, It allows the prosecution to go out and correct the record when they have been materially prejudiced by incorrect and misleading statements.
00:28:13.000But it, the, They have a duty, the prosecution has a duty to be zealous under the same rules of professional conduct.
00:28:21.000And they have a duty to correct the public record.
00:28:24.000Remember, they didn't comment until that ATF report was unsealed and became public.
00:28:30.000And it was several weeks, if not well over a month, that went by between that defense counsel's motion, the reporting, and when it got corrected.
00:28:43.000It said exactly what you and I talked about it would say.
00:28:46.000So, this is part of their duty actually to correct the record because it is impacting their jury pool if they don't.
00:28:51.000And that's not zealous defense of your client, their client being the state of Utah, the laws of the state of Utah, and the people who reside there.
00:28:58.000So, they did exactly what they're supposed to do today.
00:29:01.000What happens if Chris Ballard is found in contempt?
00:29:04.000What are the consequences and the ramifications?
00:29:06.000I don't see a universe where that happens, Andrew, honestly.
00:29:09.000But what I'll say is that, I mean, he could be fined.
00:29:13.000He could be told he can't do it again.
00:29:20.000What Ballard did was not contemptuous.
00:29:22.000He's not a contemnor, as a new word that the defense likes to say several times today, as if they just read an appellate brief.
00:29:29.000So it is, to me, I find it incredible that we're even there today, not to mention that they want to close the entire preliminary hearing down so the media can't watch all this evidence against Tyler Robinson, in which there is mounting.
00:29:43.000And I'll suggest that they can waive a prelim hearing anytime they want to.
00:29:48.000They don't have to have it if they think it's going to prejudice their client.
00:30:00.000I mentioned, I want to get Blake in here because, you know, one of the pushbacks to the last hearing from the defense was that they hadn't got all the discovery.
00:30:08.000Now they're saying that they've got, we've handed over all the discovery.
00:30:11.000We've gotten additional discovery, including thousands and thousands of files from ring cameras and residential neighborhoods and stuff like that.
00:30:19.000What, how much is that element of this discovery, is that going to play into this case, do you believe?
00:30:25.000Yeah, well, and very quickly before I answer your question, I just want to say that the reach of this show and Charlie Kirk's legacy continues well beyond Charlie Kirk's death.
00:30:35.000My wife texted me during the break saying she's actually watching me.
00:30:38.000I didn't even tell her I was going to be on, but that's just how my family loves you guys and loves what you're doing, love Charlie and the Kirk family.
00:30:47.000And I'm glad to be helping out with this story.
00:30:50.000To answer your question, the next thing, and she's beautiful and I love my wife.
00:31:13.000How can we possibly get through all of this before the prelim?
00:31:15.000Let's extend that out another year because we have all this video to watch and we have to have an expert tell us what's wrong with his gait when he's walking with the gun down his pants, for instance.
00:31:25.000And so those are all just defense tactics.
00:31:28.000And I don't think the judge is tiring quickly.
00:31:39.000Like he does seem to be losing some patience.
00:31:42.000I don't know if you're seeing the same thing, Blake, but that's what I'm just I just keep thinking about this bigger picture thing that we've had what a dozen hearings at this point by now, half dozen all these back and forth motions.
00:32:28.000So I will say for capital litigation, I've been a part, I've put people on death row twice.
00:32:34.000And it doesn't sound like a large number, it's a huge number.
00:32:38.000And I've been a part of capital litigation, and I can tell you, This is perfectly normal.
00:32:43.000Defense counsel, every single stone that they can overturn, or every single angle or sliver of an argument that they can make, they're going to make for the record.
00:32:58.000He's not going to throw papers in the air and his hands in the air because they've all conceded in their minds at this moment, I guarantee you, that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty and that he will be sentenced to death.
00:33:13.000And that's why they are peppering the record with all these little tiny issues about contempt or open courtrooms in the media.
00:33:21.000And we've gotten too much discovery and you're rushing us.
00:33:24.000Those are just things that appellate courts will review and determine if a Fifth Amendment right was violated because of that speed.
00:33:30.000That's why the judge is being so deliberate in this case.
00:33:33.000So, I mean, that's been my read as well, Jay.
00:33:36.000It feels like the judge is aware of the strategy here to pepper the record, try and get something that makes him make a mistake.
00:33:46.000So that it can be reviewed on appeal or overturned or relitigated in some way, shape, or form or fashion in the future.
00:33:52.000It feels like, though, Judge Graff is onto this and he's playing this very deliberately, very fairly on purpose.
00:33:59.000I have one other question here, Jay, for you.
00:34:01.000So, you know, the issue of whether Tyler Robinson was radicalized by outsiders, did other people know it?
00:34:09.000You know, I believe that those investigations are still ongoing technically by the FBI.
00:34:13.000I would love more intel on it, candidly.
00:34:15.000But do you believe that that plays any role?
00:34:19.000In the prosecution of Tyler Robinson specifically, right?
00:34:22.000So we know we have a mountain of evidence that suggests that he was the individual that pulled the trigger.
00:34:28.000He's, you know, confessions pulled in, brought in by family members, all of these things DNA, the bullets, the gun.
00:34:35.000But if there's other people involved, how does that impact?
00:34:38.000Because I do believe that's still an open question that's fair to ask, but how does that impact what goes on with Tyler Robinson?
00:34:44.000Yeah, the only way it would, I mean, so it doesn't impact his guilt at all.
00:34:48.000I mean, if there were 20 co conspirators and we didn't know who they were, And Tyler Robinson's still going to trial for the death of Charlie Kirk, and he's still facing the death penalty.
00:34:59.000So it doesn't change any of the evidence or the proofs against him.
00:35:02.000The only thing that, if there was such a thing and he knew about them, the state could have a deal with him to get more information about those individuals.
00:35:12.000That's the only sort of value to Charlie Kirk that could sort of minimize the exposure to his sentence.
00:35:19.000But otherwise, it's not exculpatory, if anything, if there's co conspirators, it's just more evidence.
00:35:25.000Of the crime itself and the premeditation.
00:36:43.000I saw that same announcement that everyone else said that Trump was going to endorse in the Senate race.
00:36:48.000And after seeing him go and go endorse Amnesty, Mike Lawler in New York, and then go after Boebert, and he's, you know, BFFs with Graham, I thought, oh crap, we're screwed again.
00:37:12.000Ken Paxson said he would drop out if John Cornyn passed it.
00:37:15.000Trump said he would endorse him if he passed it.
00:37:17.000And not only did he not pass it, he didn't even try.
00:37:20.000So it's amazing to me that I guess John Cornyn wanted to be a private citizen more than he wanted to enact voter ID and secure our elections.
00:37:30.000I mean, it's an interesting flex from him, but one that's kind of fascinating to me.
00:37:35.000That's actually, I think that's the best way I've heard it put yet.
00:37:38.000Like we were mentioning John Cornyn, we were getting told, I was at Fox nine years ago and we were getting leaks about how he loves.
00:37:46.000But yeah, he, these guys who love staying in office as much as they do, they love just clinging to power through every change of the waves.
00:37:54.000But he can't concede on an issue where he's not even in alignment with his base.
00:37:59.000It'd be one thing if you were unwilling to give up on an issue that had been a Republican cause forever or this conservative cause and you just won't compromise.
00:38:08.000But he's not willing to compromise on an issue where he agrees with the left to stay in office.
00:38:20.000Do we have intel on where he stands on the filibuster?
00:38:23.000I think he has generally supported it.
00:38:26.000But I think we've talked about it on the show before.
00:38:29.000You didn't actually need to get rid of the filibuster in order to pass the Save America Act.
00:38:33.000We just had to have 50 Republican senators who went to work every day and were going to be on the floor every day to exhaust Democrat filibuster options.
00:38:42.000You didn't have to nuke the filibuster.
00:38:43.000But I guess working five days a week was also too much to ask for.
00:38:57.000Enacting an actual talking filibuster, right?
00:39:00.000Where they have to debate and have to show up and you have to get a quorum and all these things would do so much good for the United States Senate, Sean, because it would restore the body to what it should be.
00:39:12.000You can't have John Cornyn's anymore who BS you, who lie to you for years on end.
00:39:22.000Like pointless, you know, rubber chicken meetings and like, you know, side meetings and lobbyist meetings instead of doing the people's work on the floor of the Senate.
00:39:33.000That is that to me is like why we can't get them to gather for five days a week and do like a nine to five like everybody else.
00:39:40.000And we're not asking for you know over, well, maybe we would, but the point is they should be willing to do it.
00:39:45.000You're one of a hundred people in the country that has been blessed with this job, show up for it.
00:39:50.000But instead, they know that their job is a bunch of smoke and mirrors garbage where it's just like presenting the greatest deliberative body.
00:39:57.000No, you are not the greatest deliberative body anymore.
00:40:00.000You've turned into a shadow of yourself, a husk of your former self.
00:40:03.000And you don't show up for work because you have meetings all day with lobbyists and donors and blah, blah, blah.
00:40:23.000And, man, when we talk about the destruction of the Senate, it would be easy to be like, Harry Reid did it, and this was all the Democrats.
00:40:30.000The reality is that the Senate was killed in a very bipartisan manner by both Mitch McConnell.
00:40:37.000And Harry Reid, and they effectively turned the Senate into the House.
00:40:41.000Now, not that the House is a bad thing, but the House has a very different purpose.
00:41:01.000You go and read old transcripts of Senate floor debates from like the 60s and 70s and even into the 80s, and you had individual senators without the help of staff.
00:41:11.000Doing extemporaneous colloquies and soliloquies on the finer points of parliamentary procedure.
00:41:18.000And they were doing it all hours of the day and the night.
00:41:21.000And instead, what we have now is a gerontocracy of low IQ idiots who really can't even bother to work three days a week for more than six hours a day.
00:42:00.000I'm not going to debate his eternal destiny or something like that, but I will just say that from a theological standpoint, the guy is a complete woke joke.
00:42:10.000This is the kind of Christianity that dies on the vine, that empties the pews, and Church building shudder when they endorse.
00:42:17.000Like whatever he's preaching is the complete opposite of what I read in scripture.
00:42:22.000And so for him to sort of like come out here as this like Hicklib, you know, Christian, and now he's got a girlfriend apparently, which was up for debate whether or not that was something that was feasible for him.
00:42:35.000And so, anyways, we're finding out that this guy's going to be, you know, appealing to that sort of heartland, Texas, golly gee shucks Christianity thing here, the Ned Flanders Christianity, whatever you want to call it.
00:42:49.000I think it's a complete turnoff for Texans, and I think Ken Paxton's going to absolutely run away with it.
00:42:55.000What's your take on when this gets to the general?
00:42:57.000Because I think at this point, Paxton's up in the primary.
00:42:59.000The endorsement's going to underscore that and help him.
00:43:02.000Let's just assume Paxton wins the primary.
00:43:05.000How do you see this general playing out?
00:43:07.000Yeah, I think I tend to your point of view here, and I look at 2018 kind of as my benchmark.
00:43:11.000So that was a very bad year for Republicans.
00:45:59.000You know, he's got Trump's endorsement, which is not nothing that's huge.
00:46:02.000And I look at this race and it almost seems to me to be emblematic of a lot of the Fishers.
00:46:07.000That we're seeing developing in the Republican Party.
00:46:10.000Now, I don't know if it's driven by how the Epstein stuff was handling, by the Iran war, but we had this massive coalition, a historic coalition in 2024 that elected Trump in overwhelming margins.
00:46:22.000He won every swing state, he won the popular vote.
00:46:24.000And then now we're less than two years later and we seem very fractured and different factions are all over the place.
00:46:31.000And I just feel like this race is a microcosm of what's happening within the Republican Party.
00:46:37.000And I kind of wish we could heal those fractures, get back to all the things that we agree on instead of.
00:46:42.000Fighting over the little things we disagree on.
00:46:44.000And so I think the race just makes me sad, honestly.
00:48:22.000You also had Stephen Miller donning a MAGA cap, which The guy is MAGA as it comes, but I don't think I've ever seen him wearing an actual MAGA hat.
00:48:31.000And he's basically going after the fact that he voted no on the one big beautiful bill, which is the signature border bill, ICE, Border Patrol, mass deportations.
00:48:40.000He claims he chose illegals, left wing NGOs, and refugee industrial complex over you, your family, and your kids.
00:49:58.000Challenge very easily, but it feels like it's different this time around that it's not purely issues based, that it's a lot of personality based.
00:50:08.000And personally, I think the thing that I find most annoying on the Massey side is the guy never mentioned Epstein before 2025.
00:50:16.000I think he tweeted about it three times.
00:50:18.000Trump gets in and magically overnight, it's the most important thing he cares about.
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00:53:21.000We got Tyler Boyer in studio, COO of Turning Point Action.
00:53:26.000We're doing an action oriented political hour.
00:53:28.000So, we just had Sean Davis, and that was important.
00:53:30.000We're talking about Massey, talking about the Cornyn Paxton thing.
00:53:34.000And then we're going to go over the races to watch, the races in the country that we want to pour all of our attention and energy into.
00:53:42.000Without further ado, Tyler, one of the driving forces of the show when Charlie was here and we want to keep it going is that we give the audience the goal, the perspective, the mission.
00:53:53.000The mission needs to be very, very expressly clear.
00:54:42.000They look at the presidential election, they work their way backward, they invest as heavily as possible into the swing states and the swing districts that help them keep the house, that win the senate, and then other key races.
00:54:55.000We've been talking endlessly about the Arizona governor's race.
00:55:00.000Arizona is so critical for three major reasons.
00:55:03.000Number one, you have one of the easiest flips back for a Republican governor race, meaning that we have Biggs.
00:55:13.000Andy Biggs to take out one of the weakest governors in the country, and Katie Hobbs, who refuses to debate, hasn't debated in over 2,500 days.
00:55:55.000So for our listeners that are new, it takes 270 electoral college votes to win the presidency.
00:56:01.000There's only so many combinations that can happen.
00:56:05.000More than two thirds of all the combinations require you to win Arizona.
00:56:10.000So, losing Arizona means you lose statistically the presidency in 2028.
00:56:16.000So, setting ourselves up in 2026 to win in 2028 is hugely important.
00:56:21.000Another really important piece to this is that two of the arguable 15 or 16, depending upon who you listen to, swing districts for the House of Representatives are in Arizona.
00:56:33.000We're one of the only states that has swing districts at this point.
00:56:35.000So, we're one state redrawing its masks.
00:56:37.000We're not only one of the only ones that has one, we have two, and we only have nine congressional districts.
00:56:43.000So, we have the highest per capita number of swing districts of any state.
00:57:33.000He's running against one of the toughest Democrats, I think, in the country.
00:57:38.000His district covers kind of Pinal County, so where Mark Lamb is from, Sheriff Mark Lamb, where he's the sheriff, all the way down to Tucson and kind of the northern area of Tucson, which is not MAGA country so much.
00:57:51.000Yeah, I mean, look, the outside, Arizona is kind of a funny place where it's either deep, deep, dark blue.
00:57:57.000It's kind of radically blue or in the deep areas, or it's radically red.
00:58:02.000And so the tough part is, is Wances Gamati is kind of comes from the more moderate realm.
00:58:08.000And so he attracts some people away from the moderate left, if you can, if you'll say that.
00:58:14.000But he has a beautiful family, awesome.
00:58:18.000But, you know, parts of his district are pretty deep red.
00:59:23.000The Cardinals have actually just moved their headquarters from Tempe and they're building one in Scottsdale, which would be in that district.
01:01:59.000Zach Nunn, who's a younger guy, is awesome.
01:02:04.000We've got to protect his seat in Iowa.
01:02:05.000So those two races, again, a little bit more similar to Derek Venor, a little bit more moderate, but they've been right there with voting with the president, voting with the Republican conference, and have done a great job.
01:03:00.000So, it actually, so Trump won this district.
01:03:02.000So, this is kind of the opposite of AZ01, where Trump won this district, but Republicans have won this district in the past, and it's kind of tilt Republican.
01:04:51.000You know, he lived right on the border, moved to New Hampshire, ran about 10 years ago, lost just barely, and has kind of been working towards running again this year.
01:05:10.000The president came in and endorsed Sununu not that long ago.
01:05:15.000And Sununu, to his credit, is it's not Governor Sununu, who's more moderate.
01:05:22.000He's the brother of Governor Sununu, who is arguably more conservative.
01:05:27.000But to that point, it's like all the polling is showing, particularly after the president's endorsement, plus the money, plus the name ID, plus the Sununu name ID, is that they're there.
01:05:36.000So, Turning Point just recently had, yeah, we had had conversations.
01:05:41.000I think we have a good relationship with Scott Brown.
01:05:59.000So I understand your personal affection for the guy and belief in his political future.
01:06:07.000But Sununu, to your point, the polling is radically in favor of Sununu, especially after Trump's endorsement.
01:06:13.000At the end of the day, you have to make a calculation.
01:06:15.000New Hampshire is a state that has not sent anybody to D.C. from the conservative side in a while, but they, on the state level, they tend to be conservative.
01:06:24.000So we got to flip the script and get a conservative there.
01:06:29.000It's the hallmark Democrats taking advantage of Republicans by targeting, mass targeting the state, both on the redistricting front, which is what they did to begin with in the beginning of this decade with Congress, and then overlaying tons of money in Senate races.
01:06:48.000And so you have a Republican, arguably Republican state.
01:06:52.000And New Hampshire is very similar to Arizona, where it's really close, really close.
01:06:57.000You come here and it feels Republican.
01:07:00.000There's a lot of Republican things that go on here, like permitless concealed carry, school choice, which they call constitutional.
01:08:09.000It's probably one of the most unusual states.
01:08:10.000Again, you can't underscore this enough.
01:08:13.000There's more registered Republicans in that state than there are Democrats, and it's the independents that really swing it back one way or the other.
01:08:20.000How are we seeing the independent vote play out right now, Tyler?
01:08:44.000But remember, turnout with independents is far lower, substantially lower in a midterm than it is in a presidential.
01:08:51.000So a presidential, you see much higher levels of turnout, particularly amongst independents.
01:08:57.000And there's this fallacy of this like every independent voter is a swing voter.
01:09:03.000For some reason, on the Republican side, we think of independents as like, oh, well, we.
01:09:07.000We get to win those people every time.
01:09:09.000The reality is that most independents either categorize themselves as a pretty much all the time Democrat or a pretty much all the time Republican voter.
01:09:18.000And then there's a small fraction of those independent voters that are swing voters.
01:09:22.000Now, in midterms, those true swing voters are even less likely to show up.
01:10:22.000And so you have, and in these states, again, you have an entire ecosystem for Republicans within New Hampshire that kind of view themselves as more libertarian.
01:10:33.000And so there are libertarian leaning Republicans that get swayed in certain ways.
01:10:39.000And I would say the Massey race today.
01:10:42.000Actually, it takes a huge toll on a state like New Hampshire where there will be some negativity if Massey loses.
01:11:05.000We can't hide the fact that that is occurring.
01:11:07.000Well, I just find it fascinating as well that in New Hampshire, like Arizona, you basically, let's just say you have a third, a third, a third registered, a third Republican, third Democrat, third Independent, but it only accounts for about 10% of the vote.