The Charlie Kirk Show - President Trump's Biggest Endorsement

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00:01:21.000 We have Ken Paxton, of course, who's running for U.S. Senate from the great state of Texas, joining by phone.

00:01:28.000 Welcome to the show, sir.

00:01:30.000 Hey, thanks for having me on.

00:01:31.000 Good to be back.

00:01:32.000 Well, listen, we booked you, sir, to talk about early voting, which began yesterday, and we encourage everybody to get out and vote.

00:01:40.000 Early in Texas, Ken Paxton, vote Ken Paxton.

00:01:44.000 But then some news broke this morning where the President of the United States, President Trump, was speaking with reporters and he says at 12 30 Eastern today, so in approximately 23 minutes, he is going to make an endorsement one way or the other in your race for Senate.

00:02:02.000 And I will say it we love the President, we have his back.

00:02:06.000 But regardless, in this instance, of the decision he makes, Turning Point Action is already endorsed for you, sir.

00:02:13.000 We're proud of that endorsement.

00:02:14.000 We stand by it.

00:02:16.000 And we think you're the right man for the job.

00:02:18.000 We think you are supported by the base, the grassroots, by the conservative movement, the regular Americans.

00:02:25.000 And Cornyn is the guy of the corporate class, he's the guy of the establishment.

00:02:29.000 Tell us your reaction to this news, sir.

00:02:31.000 What are you looking for?

00:02:32.000 Look, I'm always excited.

00:02:34.000 I've obviously been a supporter of President Trump for a long time, stuck with him through even the tough times when they were going after him, went to his trial when no one else showed up, but the son.

00:02:44.000 And anyway, I trust the president.

00:02:47.000 I know he'll make a good decision.

00:02:50.000 I'm continuing my fight right now with Cornyn during this early voting period and really need the support of Texans.

00:02:56.000 But we all know that Donald Trump's endorsement is the most significant endorsement in the country and maybe the most significant endorsement in my lifetime.

00:03:05.000 I've never seen anybody have such an impact on elections as the president, as his endorsement has.

00:03:11.000 Well, I agree with you.

00:03:13.000 He is the leader of the party, the leader of the movement.

00:03:16.000 And his endorsement carries a lot of weight.

00:03:18.000 In this instance, sir, I want to play two different clips from Charlie Kirk talking about this.

00:03:24.000 He was a huge supporter of yours.

00:03:26.000 He believed that you are the fighter that we need in D.C.

00:03:29.000 And we've seen this incrementally.

00:03:31.000 Blake talks about it a lot that race by race, senator by senator, congressman by congressman, we're getting better, stronger.

00:03:38.000 That fighting spirit that the president has injected into the conservative movement, you are an inheritor of that.

00:03:43.000 You are a product of that, sir.

00:03:45.000 I believe you had it before, but.

00:03:46.000 You certainly have grabbed onto it, and you carry the mantle of America first, as well as anybody in the country, Mr. Attorney General Paxton.

00:03:57.000 And I think Charlie saw this in you, and he saw the opposite, frankly, in John Cornyn.

00:04:02.000 I'm going to play this clip.

00:04:03.000 I think this is from 2023.

00:04:05.000 Charlie was really upset. 0.98

00:04:07.000 Sot one.

00:04:08.000 I have never, in my 10 years of doing this, seen such an intentional, brazen, and defiant mode of action as what I have just seen from John Cornyn.

00:04:22.000 I have never seen, in my 10 years of doing this, someone so openly rebuked by their voters and then so quickly turning 180 degrees around and saying, Don't care.

00:04:35.000 Cornyn doesn't like you.

00:04:38.000 And he jokes about it, actually.

00:04:39.000 Cornyn hates you.

00:04:42.000 He knows he'll still get money from his corporate donors.

00:04:44.000 He knows that.

00:04:46.000 Instead of being allied with his voters and be like, maybe there's something I could learn here, he pokes them in the eye and says, no, I'm the senator.

00:05:00.000 You, you're the serf.

00:05:05.000 What do you think, Mr. Attorney General, when you hear Charlie saying those things about your opponent here?

00:05:11.000 I couldn't agree with him more.

00:05:12.000 I was there.

00:05:13.000 I know exactly what he's talking about.

00:05:15.000 He's gone against our Republican base over and over for his entire 42 years in office.

00:05:22.000 And I think what he's referring to in that message is he's talking about when he sided with Joe Biden on restricting Second Amendment rights.

00:05:31.000 And when he did that, he got booed at the Texas Republican convention for 30 straight minutes while he spoke.

00:05:37.000 And after he left, he had complete disdain for the voters, thinking these guys don't matter.

00:05:42.000 They're all just fringe.

00:05:43.000 But guess what, John?

00:05:45.000 Those are our people.

00:05:46.000 Those are the people you should actually care about.

00:05:49.000 And he had complete disdain.

00:05:50.000 And he's never come back to speak at the Republican convention again.

00:05:53.000 He ignores us and says, We don't matter because I've got Washington money.

00:05:57.000 I've got Washington support.

00:05:59.000 And I don't need the Republicans of Texas.

00:06:01.000 Amen.

00:06:02.000 So here's let's just call out the elephant in the room here, Ken.

00:06:07.000 You've got people in the party, in the establishment.

00:06:12.000 Especially in DC, that say you can't win a general, you can't win a race, you're too conservative, you're too America first, you're too MAGA, you can't win against Talrico, right?

00:06:25.000 What's your response to that?

00:06:27.000 Well, the first thing is they told Donald Trump the same thing, right?

00:06:30.000 That he couldn't win.

00:06:31.000 They've told me that for three, I've run in three general elections in Texas.

00:06:35.000 That means the entire state had to vote.

00:06:38.000 And in each of those, with little money, I outperformed what everybody expected me to do.

00:06:43.000 I competed equally with.

00:06:45.000 Other Republicans that had a hundred times of the money that I had.

00:06:49.000 I get outspent by a lot of money, and yet I've always performed better than these naysayers talk about.

00:06:53.000 There's no polling that suggests that what they're saying is true.

00:06:57.000 John Cornin's used this as a talking point because he knows that the Republican base does not appreciate how he's treated them for the last 42 years, and they're sick of it.

00:07:06.000 And he's like, Well, it doesn't matter because I'm still a Republican and I'm better than Tellerica, I'm the only one that can win.

00:07:12.000 That's just not true.

00:07:13.000 The polling doesn't suggest it.

00:07:14.000 As a matter of fact, I actually outperform them in some of these polls.

00:07:17.000 And I think it's because people have no energy for John Cornyn because he has done nothing in 42 years that is good.

00:07:23.000 No one's ever been able to name that.

00:07:25.000 I've talked to thousands of people and I've asked them the same question over and over in every meeting.

00:07:29.000 What have you done good for in 42 years?

00:07:32.000 Can you name one thing and no one's ever named it?

00:07:34.000 Mr. Attorney General, I think you've just hit the nail on the head here.

00:07:38.000 I believe that your race is one of the most, if not the most, critical race in this midterm.

00:07:44.000 And I'll explain why.

00:07:46.000 You have to give the base.

00:07:48.000 Some reason to turn out.

00:07:51.000 And you are the basis fighter.

00:07:53.000 You are the chosen fighter for the grassroots.

00:07:56.000 The core constituency that is going to show up in a midterm wants to vote for you.

00:08:02.000 They will come out to the polls to vote for you.

00:08:05.000 They will get enthusiastic for you.

00:08:07.000 Midterms are a turnout election exercise.

00:08:11.000 And if there is not a reason for the base to turn out, they will stay at home.

00:08:15.000 They will not come out.

00:08:17.000 And you are the guy that inspires them, that gives them enthusiasm, that gives them faith that they have a fighter being sent to Washington, D.C.

00:08:24.000 And so that's the whole crux of the issue here.

00:08:27.000 If you take away their fighter, they may just stay home and you get James Talrico.

00:08:32.000 Yeah, I totally agree with you.

00:08:33.000 Look, people have to have a reason to get out and vote.

00:08:36.000 This is a competitive state.

00:08:38.000 We're going to win it, but it is still competitive.

00:08:40.000 We still have to have somebody that has a message.

00:08:43.000 And the message can't be, well, I've been there a long time, so just keep voting for me.

00:08:47.000 I don't do anything good.

00:08:48.000 I do some bad stuff.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, a lot of bad stuff.

00:08:50.000 That's not enough to get you elected in Texas anymore.

00:08:53.000 You actually have to have a message of hope and opportunity and a conservative message that inspires people to get out.

00:09:01.000 And that's what we're doing with this campaign.

00:09:03.000 And we're going to beat John Cornyn, and then we're going to beat James Tellerigo.

00:09:07.000 Mr. Attorney General, how much did you win your last general election race by?

00:09:11.000 How many points?

00:09:12.000 It was like 10 points, close to 10 points.

00:09:13.000 I don't remember exactly.

00:09:14.000 It was right around 10.

00:09:15.000 So you just won by 10 points, but you can't win a general. 0.99

00:09:18.000 That's their best line against you.

00:09:20.000 You just won by 10 points.

00:09:21.000 Yes.

00:09:23.000 And I spent a fraction of the money of other statewide who also won by 10.

00:09:28.000 I think the governor won by 11, but he spent $200 million or $100 million.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, I was going to say, how much money has been wasted in your primary battle thus far by Republican on Republican, by the way?

00:09:38.000 This isn't.

00:09:39.000 Trying to beat Democrats.

00:09:40.000 This is Republican on Republican.

00:09:42.000 How much has been spent against you?

00:09:43.000 How much do you predict is going to be spent against you when this is said and done?

00:09:46.000 So, in the first round, the primary before the run, it was $100 million.

00:09:50.000 So, I'm guessing somewhere between a total of $130 and $150 million that could have gone to North Carolina, that could have gone to Georgia, that could have gone to Maine.

00:09:58.000 And yet, for some reason, they decided to waste it on John Cornyn.

00:10:02.000 That's a crime against the GOP base, sir.

00:10:06.000 We have your back, and we're going to be watching this endorsement closely.

00:10:10.000 Mr. President, We hope you make the right decision here.

00:10:13.000 We believe in you and we trust you.

00:10:15.000 And Ken Paxton's the guy for Texas and for the country.

00:10:19.000 Ken Paxton, good luck, sir.

00:10:21.000 We got your back.

00:10:21.000 Thank you.

00:10:23.000 That was a fantastic discussion with Attorney General Ken Paxton.

00:10:28.000 And like I said, the president is scheduled to make his endorsement at 12 30.

00:10:32.000 Maybe he'll endorse both.

00:10:33.000 He's done that before.

00:10:34.000 He has.

00:10:35.000 Well, he did it with Biggs and Karen Taylor Robeson before she dropped out of the governor race here in Arizona.

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00:11:53.000 All right, here, real quick.

00:11:56.000 We got to play one other clip about Charlie and Ken Paxton.

00:12:00.000 Didn't have enough time in the last segment.

00:12:02.000 This is from, it looks like April of 2025.

00:12:07.000 Sot 8.

00:12:08.000 You have John Cornyn, who's been around for quite a while.

00:12:12.000 John Cornyn has had some very, let's just say, questionable votes in the last couple of years.

00:12:22.000 And priming him is Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas.

00:12:27.000 Unfortunately, we've seen a pattern of people that go to the U.S. Senate and they just kind of lose their.

00:12:32.000 Gusto and their spirit.

00:12:33.000 I don't think we're going to see that from you.

00:12:35.000 Charlie giving his vote of confidence to Cornyn.

00:12:40.000 What do you make, or to Ken Paxton?

00:12:41.000 What do you make of this moment that we're about to watch?

00:12:45.000 How important do you think it is, Blake?

00:12:47.000 I mean, fairly important.

00:12:50.000 Well, it's interesting that President Trump is wading into this because he often has preferred to stay out, I feel, of races that do seem genuinely 50 50 because the president likes to.

00:13:03.000 He cares about getting guys who are allies, but he also just cares a lot about being the winner who's always decisive and deciding things.

00:13:10.000 And he very much wants to avoid any race where he could make an endorsement and then fall short.

00:13:16.000 Right.

00:13:17.000 And so I almost wonder what this pitch to them is looking like.

00:13:20.000 Is the pitch them actually saying Cornyn is the better ally, or are they just saying Cornyn's got it locked up?

00:13:26.000 You want to just make this call because he'll win?

00:13:28.000 And as we know, it's actually quite a little bit of a problem.

00:13:30.000 No, no, no.

00:13:31.000 I think Paxton is actually ahead in most polls over Cornyn right now.

00:13:36.000 So maybe.

00:13:37.000 President Trump has seen enough and realizes that Paxton's the guy of the people.

00:13:41.000 Although I will say, it looks like the odds have it.

00:13:44.000 The betting odds have it.

00:13:47.000 Cornyn has just surged 80% in the betting odds to get the endorsement.

00:13:51.000 And I just want to say, even if that happens, Turning Point Actions endorsement is not going to change.

00:13:57.000 We still have Ken Paxton's back.

00:13:58.000 I think the people of Texas have Ken Paxton's back, especially in a primary vote.

00:14:03.000 And we made the point in that interview with Ken that, yeah, okay, the dig on you is that you're too conservative, you can't win a general.

00:14:12.000 But he won his last race by 10 points in the state of Texas.

00:14:16.000 I think President Trump won the 2024 election by 14 in Texas, 13 or 14.

00:14:22.000 So, let me check.

00:14:23.000 So, President Trump outperformed that by a few points, but not by that much.

00:14:27.000 And so, you know, Texas is a state that's more and more competitive.

00:14:30.000 We understand that dynamic, but it's still a conservative state.

00:14:33.000 Ken Paxton still has the edge.

00:14:35.000 It doesn't matter if you send Cornyn or Paxton up, I think, just from a polling standpoint.

00:14:40.000 But I think in the midterm, when you don't have President Trump on the ballot, you have to, if you're going to energize the base to turn out, You got to have somebody with a spine, with America First credentials to drive that election.

00:14:52.000 The most important thing is you just can't have a senator from Texas who is a Republican and is pro amnesty.

00:14:57.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:14:58.000 This is what Cornyn is. 0.97

00:15:00.000 Cornyn is a squish on the.

00:15:02.000 He is from a bygone era where they don't see immigration the same way we do, they don't see the social issues the same way we do.

00:15:10.000 They're dinosaurs.

00:15:11.000 And President Trump defies that because he sort of was the instrument to bring some of this to bear.

00:15:16.000 And get it to the forefront to get us talking about immigration in the right way, to get us talking about social issues with a spine and with a backbone.

00:15:24.000 Cornyn didn't adopt that.

00:15:25.000 One of the first things when I was at Fox in 2017, we were getting leaks from staffers in Cornyn's office that he was not aligned on immigration.

00:15:35.000 And in fact, he was saying one thing and doing another in private.

00:15:39.000 And we were getting things of that nature from his office.

00:15:42.000 That was nine years ago.

00:15:45.000 And okay, nothing's changed since then.

00:15:48.000 What is the justification for keeping this guy around?

00:15:50.000 Because he'll still be around six years from now if he wins again.

00:15:53.000 And this is the whole thing.

00:15:54.000 You have to give the base hope that the promises are being fulfilled from the election.

00:16:01.000 All right.

00:16:02.000 You see some fraying at the edges of the coalition.

00:16:05.000 Well, that happens when they feel like promises are not getting fulfilled, right?

00:16:09.000 You saw this with Iran no new wars. 1.00

00:16:11.000 We got a war. 0.99

00:16:11.000 Okay. 0.99

00:16:12.000 We're going to trust the president that he doesn't get us into quagmires and forever wars.

00:16:16.000 But there is, you know, there is a leash there.

00:16:19.000 There is a patience quotient that can be exhausted, right?

00:16:23.000 And so even President Trump.

00:16:26.000 I think he's got to remember that his base is begging and pleading that the things that he promised in 2024 get accomplished.

00:16:33.000 I think the president's doing amazing work on so many different issues tariffs, bringing back domestic manufacturing, the spirit of growth and optimism, the golden era, all of those things.

00:16:44.000 Immigration enforcement, the borders closed.

00:16:46.000 There's a lot to praise the president about.

00:16:49.000 The end of DEI and the resurgence of meritocracy throughout the government.

00:16:53.000 We have the lowest federal government employment rates.

00:16:56.000 Since 1966.

00:17:00.000 So we're making a lot of headway, right?

00:17:03.000 There are 300,000 plus federal employees that either no longer have a job or the position hasn't been filled because they are cutting the fat.

00:17:09.000 We're cutting fraud.

00:17:10.000 JD Vance, at the president's direction, is doing a tremendous job.

00:17:14.000 I actually have an op ed coming out on Thursday about this.

00:17:18.000 So many good things to praise and to celebrate.

00:17:22.000 And one of those core pieces is personnel.

00:17:25.000 The president has done such a good job picking better people.

00:17:27.000 In Trump 2.0, than he did in Trump 1.0.

00:17:30.000 Of course, you're still going to get some traitors and some saboteurs that come through and that they find a way into the mix, but that's the exception, not the rule this time.

00:17:40.000 Also, Senate, Congress, you got to have fighters that have your back.

00:17:45.000 The Democrats stick together like white on rice.

00:17:48.000 They are inseparable, they vote as a block.

00:17:51.000 And we need to get better as conservatives to have people like Ken Paxton that are going to have your back when the chips are down.

00:17:59.000 Things are tough and you're back against the wall.

00:18:00.000 So that is Ken Paxton.

00:18:02.000 He's a fighter that has shown it doesn't matter what you throw at this guy.

00:18:05.000 He's going to fight and he's going to fight and he's going to fight, just like the president.

00:18:09.000 So we got to have more guys like Ken Paxton in D.C.

00:18:11.000 The guy can win a general. 0.96

00:18:13.000 He's going to take down Tal Rico.

00:18:14.000 He's going to energize the base in an off year election where President Trump is not on the ballot.

00:18:19.000 You got to have an excuse to get out.

00:18:21.000 Ken Paxton will energize the base and get those votes out.

00:18:26.000 President Trump has announced his endorsement, and even though All of 10 minutes ago, it was 80% for Cornyn.

00:18:33.000 He is endorsing Ken Paxton.

00:18:35.000 Ken Paxton, do we have the applause track in there?

00:18:37.000 There we go.

00:18:38.000 It's a very long one.

00:18:39.000 We'll do a few highlight lines.

00:18:40.000 He says, The highly respected Attorney General of Texas, Ken Paxton, an America First patriot, and someone who has always been extremely loyal to me and our amazing MAGA movement, is running for the U.S. Senate to represent a place I love and won big three times with 6.4 million votes in 2024, the most in the history of the state by far.

00:18:57.000 Very Trumpian tweet here.

00:18:59.000 But he says, I know Ken well.

00:18:59.000 Yes.

00:19:01.000 He is a winner.

00:19:02.000 Ken is a strong supporter of terminating the filibuster and, very importantly, the Save America Act.

00:19:08.000 And I want to, he goes on for a bit.

00:19:11.000 Ken will help me do all the things I want, making America bigger, better, and stronger than ever before.

00:19:16.000 Ken is a true MAGA warrior who has always delivered for Texas and will continue to do so in the United States Senate.

00:19:23.000 He says John Cornyn is a good man and I worked well with him, but he is not supportive of me when times were tough.

00:19:30.000 And despite having the most successful economy in the history of the country in my first term, John was very late in backing me in what turned out to be a historic run for the Republican nomination and then the presidency.

00:19:42.000 Ken has gone through a lot and, in many cases, very unfairly, but he is a fighter and knows how to win.

00:19:49.000 Ken Paxton will never let you down.

00:19:51.000 Donald Trump, President of the United States.

00:19:53.000 I want to celebrate this.

00:19:55.000 This is a good moment for the base, a good moment for the coalition.

00:19:59.000 I think this is the 100% correct decision.

00:20:02.000 And again, we talk about coalition building.

00:20:04.000 We talk about keeping that 2024 coalition together.

00:20:08.000 This is an endorsement that helps him do that.

00:20:11.000 So, very, very good news here.

00:20:13.000 Very, very happy that this is the decision that was made when a lot of people said it was going to go the other way.

00:20:18.000 The prediction markets had it.

00:20:20.000 80% Cornyn just minutes ago.

00:20:22.000 You would have lost a lot of money on that bet.

00:20:25.000 So there you are.

00:20:28.000 So well done, President Trump.

00:20:29.000 If you're watching, I was told that it was possible you were watching this morning.

00:20:33.000 So if you're still watching, congratulations on a great decision.

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00:21:19.000 If you want to check it out, go to angel.comslash Charlie and take a look at the watch list I put together.

00:21:27.000 I want to bring in Jay Town, who is a career prosecutor.

00:21:31.000 He's a Newsmax contributor, but he's been in so many criminal cases, violent crimes, death penalty cases.

00:21:40.000 Jay, welcome back to the show, sir.

00:21:42.000 Great to have you.

00:21:43.000 So this morning, there is ongoing, right now, there is a hearing going on.

00:21:49.000 Judge Tony Graff is hearing arguments from the defense on various topics.

00:21:57.000 You had a busy morning, but you're catching bits and pieces of it here, Jay.

00:22:01.000 It seems to be most of this around so far has been around as they're trying to get one of the prosecutors held in contempt for breaking a gag order.

00:22:11.000 And it appears to be related to that ATF report, which was the first time we had you on the show.

00:22:16.000 What are you hearing and seeing, Jay?

00:22:18.000 Yeah.

00:22:19.000 So, Rule 3.6, so the rules of professional responsibility, which every lawyer has to follow.

00:22:24.000 And as a prosecutor, relevant here, Says that it involves pretrial publicity.

00:22:30.000 And so you can't make extrajudicial statements, meaning out of court statements, that would materially prejudice the defendant.

00:22:37.000 So let's say I know something is hearsay and inadmissible, but I go on TV and I talk about that evidence, knowing that a jury's never going to hear it.

00:22:45.000 That is an extrajudicial statement that does materially prejudice a defendant and is prohibited.

00:22:52.000 The problem, and I'm glad the state prosecutors nailed Robinson's defense counsel on this today.

00:22:59.000 Because this bugged me the first time you had me on your show.

00:23:02.000 And all we had, we didn't have the ATF report at the time, but I told you that I guarantee you that that ATF report suggests that it could not be excluded that the bullet found in Charlie Kirk's body came from that rifle.

00:23:17.000 It wasn't just that they were unable to identify a match between the bullet and the rifle, and that it was a.30 caliber class bullet, meaning that's the type of bullet that is fired from the gun that has Robinson's DNA on it.

00:23:30.000 But that was excluded from the defense counsel's motion.

00:23:34.000 Sure enough, we get the ATF report.

00:23:36.000 It's exactly what it said.

00:23:37.000 We also understand that it says it's unable to identify or exclude, right?

00:23:43.000 Or exclude, meaning we don't know because it was such a badly damaged, shrapneled, mushroomed round that was found in Charlie's body.

00:23:52.000 So we just can't give any meaningful analysis to it to match the striations of the 30 out of 6 that was found.

00:24:00.000 And Jay, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I got to throw this original image up.

00:24:05.000 So this all came back down to the Daily Mail article that came out at the time, which let's just read their headline here Bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not.

00:24:17.000 All caps did not match, not match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson.

00:24:22.000 New court filing claims.

00:24:23.000 This sent the internet and the Twitter sphere absolutely bonkers ablaze, crazy, right?

00:24:30.000 So, for like it was like 36 hours, this thing did I don't know 40 million engagements on Twitter alone, let alone all the YouTube videos that were made of it, TikToks, and everything.

00:24:41.000 So, this misleading headline went probably three times around the world before the truth had a chance to get its pants on.

00:24:49.000 And so the defense attorney or the prosecutors apparently, let me just pull up the exact quote because it is important.

00:24:59.000 I want to make sure I get my exact quote here, sir.

00:25:03.000 He apparently spoke to the press, and this would be Chris Ballard on the prosecution's team.

00:25:09.000 He said, When a bullet fragment analysis comes back as inconclusive, that means the fragment did not contain enough detail for the examiner to say one way or the other.

00:25:18.000 We have ample evidence to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson. Committed this murder, and we will present some of that evidence at the upcoming preliminary hearing, and then we will present all of that evidence at the trial.

00:25:29.000 When you hear that quote directly, so this is the quote in question that they're saying that Chris Ballard should be held in contempt for making that statement to the press.

00:25:39.000 When you see it in context, right, of what the media was doing, the Daily Mail article specifically, that you came on the show the next day to rebut, what do you feel like he broke that rule, or do you think he's well within his rights?

00:25:56.000 No, absolutely not.

00:25:57.000 And here's why.

00:25:59.000 The defense motion that said that they were unable to identify that bullet matching the gun, and that they want to call the ATF now to present exculpatory, meaning not guilty, didn't do it.

00:26:12.000 You can't prove this beyond a reasonable doubt because there is exculpatory evidence in this ATF report.

00:26:18.000 That's what the defense motion said.

00:26:20.000 Like you said, that went around the world before the truth could put on its pants.

00:26:24.000 And so, under Rule 3.6, that was heavily cited by defense counsel today, It allows the prosecution to go out and correct the record when they have been materially prejudiced by incorrect and misleading statements.

00:26:39.000 And he nailed the defense counsel.

00:26:41.000 He didn't say that it was their intent, and he didn't blame the media for running with it.

00:26:45.000 Who wouldn't, right?

00:26:46.000 If you read that motion, you think, oh my God, a bullet doesn't match the gun.

00:26:50.000 I knew what it meant because I've read hundreds of firearms and tool mark reports from the ATF.

00:26:54.000 But the defense counsel knew what it meant too.

00:26:57.000 Being too smart by half, and they were called on it today.

00:27:00.000 I don't think that the judge is going to fall for this.

00:27:03.000 This is absurd to me.

00:27:05.000 Maybe he'll entertain some more motions.

00:27:08.000 But there is nothing contemptuous about correcting the record when they've been materially prejudiced, they being the state of Utah.

00:27:14.000 Well, and listen, I don't mean to read too deeply into this.

00:27:17.000 Blake, you're not an attorney, but you sometimes play one on TV.

00:27:22.000 But their motion that they made, that the Daily Mail extracted that headline for, it left out all of the other.

00:27:32.000 Right?

00:27:33.000 And so the prosecution is sitting there.

00:27:36.000 Meanwhile, like I said, the story is getting millions and millions of engagement.

00:27:40.000 It's getting people are getting worked into a lather in the conspiracy realms and this cottage industry that's been drummed up.

00:27:47.000 And so, if we're talking about prejudicing a defendant or a jury or whatever, that's the prejudice that I'm seeing.

00:27:54.000 So, you almost are obligated, it seems to me, to have to give something of the contrary, to give the other side of the coin, as it were.

00:28:05.000 I'm not a lawyer, but that feels reasonable to me.

00:28:08.000 Well, and you're doing an excellent job showing that it's not that difficult, right?

00:28:12.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.000 But it, the, They have a duty, the prosecution has a duty to be zealous under the same rules of professional conduct.

00:28:21.000 And they have a duty to correct the public record.

00:28:24.000 Remember, they didn't comment until that ATF report was unsealed and became public.

00:28:30.000 And it was several weeks, if not well over a month, that went by between that defense counsel's motion, the reporting, and when it got corrected.

00:28:41.000 And we did that on your show.

00:28:43.000 It said exactly what you and I talked about it would say.

00:28:46.000 So, this is part of their duty actually to correct the record because it is impacting their jury pool if they don't.

00:28:51.000 And that's not zealous defense of your client, their client being the state of Utah, the laws of the state of Utah, and the people who reside there.

00:28:58.000 So, they did exactly what they're supposed to do today.

00:29:01.000 What happens if Chris Ballard is found in contempt?

00:29:04.000 What are the consequences and the ramifications?

00:29:06.000 I don't see a universe where that happens, Andrew, honestly.

00:29:09.000 But what I'll say is that, I mean, he could be fined.

00:29:13.000 He could be told he can't do it again.

00:29:14.000 He could be reported to the bar.

00:29:16.000 He's not going to be removed from the case.

00:29:18.000 None of that's going to happen.

00:29:20.000 What Ballard did was not contemptuous.

00:29:22.000 He's not a contemnor, as a new word that the defense likes to say several times today, as if they just read an appellate brief.

00:29:29.000 So it is, to me, I find it incredible that we're even there today, not to mention that they want to close the entire preliminary hearing down so the media can't watch all this evidence against Tyler Robinson, in which there is mounting.

00:29:43.000 And I'll suggest that they can waive a prelim hearing anytime they want to.

00:29:48.000 They don't have to have it if they think it's going to prejudice their client.

00:29:52.000 Instead, they want to.

00:29:53.000 Keep a public trial, which is a constitutional right, out of public view.

00:29:57.000 And that's an absurd.

00:29:58.000 The judge wasn't buying that either.

00:30:00.000 I mentioned, I want to get Blake in here because, you know, one of the pushbacks to the last hearing from the defense was that they hadn't got all the discovery.

00:30:08.000 Now they're saying that they've got, we've handed over all the discovery.

00:30:11.000 We've gotten additional discovery, including thousands and thousands of files from ring cameras and residential neighborhoods and stuff like that.

00:30:19.000 What, how much is that element of this discovery, is that going to play into this case, do you believe?

00:30:25.000 Yeah, well, and very quickly before I answer your question, I just want to say that the reach of this show and Charlie Kirk's legacy continues well beyond Charlie Kirk's death.

00:30:35.000 My wife texted me during the break saying she's actually watching me.

00:30:38.000 I didn't even tell her I was going to be on, but that's just how my family loves you guys and loves what you're doing, love Charlie and the Kirk family.

00:30:47.000 And I'm glad to be helping out with this story.

00:30:50.000 To answer your question, the next thing, and she's beautiful and I love my wife.

00:30:54.000 God bless your wife.

00:30:56.000 Yeah, is that the next complaint is going to be there's too much discovery, right?

00:31:02.000 We can't possibly go through it all.

00:31:03.000 We need years and experts and more money and software to kind of parse through it.

00:31:09.000 And so that's going to be the next one.

00:31:11.000 Give us it all.

00:31:11.000 Well, now you've given us too much.

00:31:13.000 How can we possibly get through all of this before the prelim?

00:31:15.000 Let's extend that out another year because we have all this video to watch and we have to have an expert tell us what's wrong with his gait when he's walking with the gun down his pants, for instance.

00:31:25.000 And so those are all just defense tactics.

00:31:28.000 And I don't think the judge is tiring quickly.

00:31:31.000 Of this defense team.

00:31:33.000 Yeah, I noticed that too.

00:31:34.000 Some of the clips you hear Judge Graff actually going, Isn't that too broad?

00:31:38.000 Isn't that too far?

00:31:39.000 Like he does seem to be losing some patience.

00:31:42.000 I don't know if you're seeing the same thing, Blake, but that's what I'm just I just keep thinking about this bigger picture thing that we've had what a dozen hearings at this point by now, half dozen all these back and forth motions.

00:31:52.000 They want to push back this hearing.

00:31:54.000 We literally haven't entered a plea so far, to my understanding.

00:31:58.000 I'm looking at the timeline of other famous trials in the OJ Simpson case.

00:32:03.000 He was arraigned and pleaded not guilty eight days after the murder, and like it's still on the plea.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, and here we still have no plea.

00:32:11.000 What do you read into that, Jay?

00:32:13.000 My bigger picture question that I'd like to answer is Is this quirks of Utah law?

00:32:17.000 Is this quirks of modern capital case law?

00:32:20.000 Is all of this normal and we just normally don't see it because cases aren't this high profile?

00:32:25.000 Or is this case truly unusual?

00:32:27.000 Great question.

00:32:28.000 So I will say for capital litigation, I've been a part, I've put people on death row twice.

00:32:34.000 And it doesn't sound like a large number, it's a huge number.

00:32:38.000 And I've been a part of capital litigation, and I can tell you, This is perfectly normal.

00:32:43.000 Defense counsel, every single stone that they can overturn, or every single angle or sliver of an argument that they can make, they're going to make for the record.

00:32:54.000 They know the result of it.

00:32:56.000 The judge is going to entertain it.

00:32:58.000 He's not going to throw papers in the air and his hands in the air because they've all conceded in their minds at this moment, I guarantee you, that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty and that he will be sentenced to death.

00:33:13.000 And that's why they are peppering the record with all these little tiny issues about contempt or open courtrooms in the media.

00:33:21.000 And we've gotten too much discovery and you're rushing us.

00:33:24.000 Those are just things that appellate courts will review and determine if a Fifth Amendment right was violated because of that speed.

00:33:30.000 That's why the judge is being so deliberate in this case.

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:33.000 So, I mean, that's been my read as well, Jay.

00:33:36.000 It feels like the judge is aware of the strategy here to pepper the record, try and get something that makes him make a mistake.

00:33:46.000 So that it can be reviewed on appeal or overturned or relitigated in some way, shape, or form or fashion in the future.

00:33:52.000 It feels like, though, Judge Graff is onto this and he's playing this very deliberately, very fairly on purpose.

00:33:59.000 I have one other question here, Jay, for you.

00:34:01.000 So, you know, the issue of whether Tyler Robinson was radicalized by outsiders, did other people know it?

00:34:09.000 You know, I believe that those investigations are still ongoing technically by the FBI.

00:34:13.000 I would love more intel on it, candidly.

00:34:15.000 But do you believe that that plays any role?

00:34:19.000 In the prosecution of Tyler Robinson specifically, right?

00:34:22.000 So we know we have a mountain of evidence that suggests that he was the individual that pulled the trigger.

00:34:28.000 He's, you know, confessions pulled in, brought in by family members, all of these things DNA, the bullets, the gun.

00:34:35.000 But if there's other people involved, how does that impact?

00:34:38.000 Because I do believe that's still an open question that's fair to ask, but how does that impact what goes on with Tyler Robinson?

00:34:44.000 Yeah, the only way it would, I mean, so it doesn't impact his guilt at all.

00:34:48.000 I mean, if there were 20 co conspirators and we didn't know who they were, And Tyler Robinson's still going to trial for the death of Charlie Kirk, and he's still facing the death penalty.

00:34:59.000 So it doesn't change any of the evidence or the proofs against him.

00:35:02.000 The only thing that, if there was such a thing and he knew about them, the state could have a deal with him to get more information about those individuals.

00:35:12.000 That's the only sort of value to Charlie Kirk that could sort of minimize the exposure to his sentence.

00:35:19.000 But otherwise, it's not exculpatory, if anything, if there's co conspirators, it's just more evidence.

00:35:25.000 Of the crime itself and the premeditation.

00:35:28.000 That's right.

00:35:28.000 That's not helpful to him if he's going to suggest, as they have continued to do, that he's not guilty.

00:35:34.000 I would suggest to you that the evidence is.

00:35:36.000 I've proven cases beyond a reasonable doubt with way less evidence than what the state of Utah has against Tyler Robinson.

00:35:43.000 Yeah.

00:35:43.000 And in some ways, when you talk about discovery and just how much there is, it's kind of like it's all sort of the context.

00:35:51.000 The underlying context is just this mountain of evidence that's going to be very difficult for the defense to argue against.

00:35:57.000 Nice.

00:35:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 Jay Town, thank you so much.

00:35:59.000 Yeah.

00:36:00.000 Where can people follow you, Jay, as you're doing analysis on this and other cases?

00:36:04.000 You can find me at Jtown, Alabama on X.

00:36:07.000 And thanks for having me on, guys.

00:36:08.000 God bless you.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, God bless you, too.

00:36:10.000 Thank you for being willing to jump on.

00:36:12.000 I know you had a busy morning, Jay.

00:36:13.000 So thank you so much.

00:36:17.000 Sean Davis, co founder and CEO of The Federalist, joins us now.

00:36:20.000 We're going to talk shop, talk politics.

00:36:22.000 Sean, President Trump made the right decision in Texas.

00:36:26.000 The betting odds before that decision were made had Cornyn up at like 80% odds of getting the endorsement.

00:36:34.000 President Trump defies the betting odds, goes with the Proven America First fighter, Ken Paxton, your reaction?

00:36:40.000 I think my main reaction was relief.

00:36:43.000 I saw that same announcement that everyone else said that Trump was going to endorse in the Senate race. 0.98

00:36:48.000 And after seeing him go and go endorse Amnesty, Mike Lawler in New York, and then go after Boebert, and he's, you know, BFFs with Graham, I thought, oh crap, we're screwed again. 0.97

00:36:59.000 But no, we were not screwed. 0.99

00:37:01.000 Trump came through.

00:37:03.000 He endorsed Ken Paxton.

00:37:05.000 And what I find most interesting about this is all that John Cornyn had to do.

00:37:10.000 Was passed the Save America Act.

00:37:12.000 Ken Paxson said he would drop out if John Cornyn passed it.

00:37:15.000 Trump said he would endorse him if he passed it.

00:37:17.000 And not only did he not pass it, he didn't even try.

00:37:20.000 So it's amazing to me that I guess John Cornyn wanted to be a private citizen more than he wanted to enact voter ID and secure our elections.

00:37:30.000 I mean, it's an interesting flex from him, but one that's kind of fascinating to me.

00:37:35.000 That's actually, I think that's the best way I've heard it put yet.

00:37:38.000 Like we were mentioning John Cornyn, we were getting told, I was at Fox nine years ago and we were getting leaks about how he loves.

00:37:44.000 Amnesty opposes Trump on immigration.

00:37:46.000 But yeah, he, these guys who love staying in office as much as they do, they love just clinging to power through every change of the waves.

00:37:54.000 But he can't concede on an issue where he's not even in alignment with his base.

00:37:59.000 It'd be one thing if you were unwilling to give up on an issue that had been a Republican cause forever or this conservative cause and you just won't compromise.

00:38:08.000 But he's not willing to compromise on an issue where he agrees with the left to stay in office.

00:38:13.000 It just puts it perfectly.

00:38:15.000 And yeah, Save America Act could have saved him.

00:38:18.000 Instead, he cannot save himself.

00:38:20.000 Do we have intel on where he stands on the filibuster?

00:38:23.000 I think he has generally supported it.

00:38:26.000 But I think we've talked about it on the show before.

00:38:29.000 You didn't actually need to get rid of the filibuster in order to pass the Save America Act.

00:38:33.000 We just had to have 50 Republican senators who went to work every day and were going to be on the floor every day to exhaust Democrat filibuster options.

00:38:42.000 You didn't have to nuke the filibuster.

00:38:43.000 But I guess working five days a week was also too much to ask for.

00:38:47.000 It's asking a lot.

00:38:48.000 That's asking a lot, Sean.

00:38:50.000 You know, and by the way, Blake's made this point a lot.

00:38:53.000 And so, Blake, feel free to chime in. 0.99

00:38:54.000 But the nuking the.

00:38:57.000 Enacting an actual talking filibuster, right?

00:39:00.000 Where they have to debate and have to show up and you have to get a quorum and all these things would do so much good for the United States Senate, Sean, because it would restore the body to what it should be.

00:39:12.000 You can't have John Cornyn's anymore who BS you, who lie to you for years on end.

00:39:12.000 It's a real Senate.

00:39:18.000 I would love to do this thing, but we just don't have 60 votes. 0.87

00:39:21.000 And they fill their days with.

00:39:22.000 Like pointless, you know, rubber chicken meetings and like, you know, side meetings and lobbyist meetings instead of doing the people's work on the floor of the Senate.

00:39:33.000 That is that to me is like why we can't get them to gather for five days a week and do like a nine to five like everybody else.

00:39:40.000 And we're not asking for you know over, well, maybe we would, but the point is they should be willing to do it.

00:39:45.000 You're one of a hundred people in the country that has been blessed with this job, show up for it.

00:39:50.000 But instead, they know that their job is a bunch of smoke and mirrors garbage where it's just like presenting the greatest deliberative body.

00:39:57.000 No, you are not the greatest deliberative body anymore. 0.96

00:40:00.000 You've turned into a shadow of yourself, a husk of your former self.

00:40:03.000 And you don't show up for work because you have meetings all day with lobbyists and donors and blah, blah, blah.

00:40:09.000 So, anyways, I'm completely with you.

00:40:10.000 I think Ken Paxton, I agree, Sean.

00:40:14.000 There's a little bit of relief because, on some level, it probably shouldn't have been this hard, but I'm glad that it happened.

00:40:19.000 I feel like it's a shot in the arm for the base heading into the midterms.

00:40:22.000 It is.

00:40:23.000 And, man, when we talk about the destruction of the Senate, it would be easy to be like, Harry Reid did it, and this was all the Democrats.

00:40:30.000 The reality is that the Senate was killed in a very bipartisan manner by both Mitch McConnell.

00:40:37.000 And Harry Reid, and they effectively turned the Senate into the House.

00:40:41.000 Now, not that the House is a bad thing, but the House has a very different purpose.

00:40:44.000 It exists to represent the people.

00:40:47.000 It is very much majority ruled and has been for a very long time.

00:40:51.000 You don't have an open amendment process, stuff comes to the floor, you vote it up or down, you move on.

00:40:55.000 That's not how the Senate was.

00:40:57.000 It's not how the Senate was 15 years ago.

00:40:58.000 It's not how it was 20 years ago.

00:41:01.000 You go and read old transcripts of Senate floor debates from like the 60s and 70s and even into the 80s, and you had individual senators without the help of staff.

00:41:11.000 Doing extemporaneous colloquies and soliloquies on the finer points of parliamentary procedure.

00:41:18.000 And they were doing it all hours of the day and the night. 1.00

00:41:21.000 And instead, what we have now is a gerontocracy of low IQ idiots who really can't even bother to work three days a week for more than six hours a day. 1.00

00:41:30.000 It's a total tragedy. 1.00

00:41:32.000 Hopefully, we're moving on from that.

00:41:33.000 Hopefully, getting someone like Paxton in, who's clearly a man of action and gets stuff done, will change that culture.

00:41:39.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 And by the way, I think he's going to win the general, I think he's going to run away with it.

00:41:43.000 I think a minimum of four points, but I think he could end up winning by like six, seven.

00:41:47.000 I mean, Tal Rico is going to be a formidable opponent in the Senate.

00:41:52.000 I think that's a joke.

00:41:53.000 Tal Rico is a, like, listen, I know better.

00:41:56.000 I have fear of the Lord.

00:42:00.000 I'm not going to debate his eternal destiny or something like that, but I will just say that from a theological standpoint, the guy is a complete woke joke.

00:42:10.000 This is the kind of Christianity that dies on the vine, that empties the pews, and Church building shudder when they endorse.

00:42:16.000 Okay.

00:42:17.000 Like whatever he's preaching is the complete opposite of what I read in scripture.

00:42:22.000 And so for him to sort of like come out here as this like Hicklib, you know, Christian, and now he's got a girlfriend apparently, which was up for debate whether or not that was something that was feasible for him.

00:42:35.000 And so, anyways, we're finding out that this guy's going to be, you know, appealing to that sort of heartland, Texas, golly gee shucks Christianity thing here, the Ned Flanders Christianity, whatever you want to call it. 0.53

00:42:49.000 I think it's a complete turnoff for Texans, and I think Ken Paxton's going to absolutely run away with it.

00:42:55.000 What's your take on when this gets to the general?

00:42:57.000 Because I think at this point, Paxton's up in the primary.

00:42:59.000 The endorsement's going to underscore that and help him.

00:43:02.000 Let's just assume Paxton wins the primary.

00:43:05.000 How do you see this general playing out?

00:43:07.000 Yeah, I think I tend to your point of view here, and I look at 2018 kind of as my benchmark.

00:43:11.000 So that was a very bad year for Republicans.

00:43:13.000 It was a blue wave for Democrats.

00:43:15.000 We had Ted Cruz running for reelection.

00:43:17.000 Cruz was not particularly likable, it wasn't really all that popular.

00:43:22.000 Doesn't have a lot of the charisma you might want in a politician, but he voted solid.

00:43:25.000 He was dependable.

00:43:27.000 And then he was going up against a fundraising powerhouse in Robert Francis O'Rourke, a.k.a. Beto.

00:43:34.000 Don't know how he got that. 1.00

00:43:35.000 And the fake Hispanic Irishman. 0.61

00:43:37.000 That was Charlie's fake. 0.90

00:43:38.000 And I've raised.

00:43:42.000 He raised like $100 million, something insane.

00:43:45.000 He still lost by four points.

00:43:47.000 So I feel like Tellerico's high watermark is going to be losing by four.

00:43:52.000 Now, granted, it may be a worse cycle this time.

00:43:54.000 Who knows?

00:43:55.000 Numbers aren't looking great, although they can change.

00:43:58.000 But Tal Rico is far less talented than Beto ever was. 0.98

00:44:02.000 He is so much more gross and slimy and fake. 0.99

00:44:06.000 And again, I'm comparing him to one of the fakest candidates in history. 0.98

00:44:10.000 So, no, I think Paxton wins by five, six, seven, eight, somewhere in that neighborhood.

00:44:14.000 Okay.

00:44:15.000 I love that.

00:44:15.000 I love that estimation because I think it's accurate.

00:44:19.000 I think it's accurate.

00:44:21.000 All right, Sean, now is the time.

00:44:23.000 We're going to get into the Sassy Massey race that is captivating the conservative movement and then beyond, actually.

00:44:32.000 I did a little research on this yesterday, Sean, and it's about 5% of Massey's war chest.

00:44:39.000 He's raised a lot of money in this race, it's coming from Kentuckians. 0.91

00:44:42.000 The rest is coming from California, Florida, Texas.

00:44:44.000 There's a big libertarian movement that tends to throw in behind their candidates when they're running.

00:44:50.000 And so I think we're seeing a lot of that happen.

00:44:52.000 But there's also been a lot of money spent against him a lot of PACs, a lot of pro Israel PACs.

00:44:56.000 Again, that's not necessarily foreign money.

00:44:58.000 I don't think it is.

00:44:59.000 It's Americans that support Israel, whatever, that they're supporting Galrin. 0.93

00:45:04.000 So. 0.95

00:45:04.000 What are you looking at when you see this race? 0.95

00:45:07.000 How do you size it up and who's going to win?

00:45:09.000 Yeah, great question.

00:45:10.000 If you made me bet, if I were a betting man, which I'm not, I think I would put my money on Galrine.

00:45:18.000 Odds wise, he seems to be like a 60 40 favorite, maybe 55 45. 0.95

00:45:23.000 It's a weird race.

00:45:25.000 And you said heading into break that your listener feedback has been all over the place.

00:45:31.000 I kind of feel like I'm personally representative of that because.

00:45:36.000 I like Massey and also he drives me nuts.

00:45:39.000 And on some areas, I think he's really, really good. 0.98

00:45:41.000 And on some areas, I think he's a total phony and fake. 0.82

00:45:45.000 And then I look at his opponent and he seems like kind of just a thumb to me. 0.77

00:45:49.000 Like I don't know what he's got going on.

00:45:52.000 Define Trump.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, define.

00:45:55.000 He's there.

00:45:56.000 He's there.

00:45:57.000 Yeah.

00:45:57.000 I don't know what else is going on.

00:45:59.000 You know, he's got Trump's endorsement, which is not nothing that's huge.

00:46:02.000 And I look at this race and it almost seems to me to be emblematic of a lot of the Fishers.

00:46:07.000 That we're seeing developing in the Republican Party.

00:46:10.000 Now, I don't know if it's driven by how the Epstein stuff was handling, by the Iran war, but we had this massive coalition, a historic coalition in 2024 that elected Trump in overwhelming margins.

00:46:22.000 He won every swing state, he won the popular vote.

00:46:24.000 And then now we're less than two years later and we seem very fractured and different factions are all over the place.

00:46:31.000 And I just feel like this race is a microcosm of what's happening within the Republican Party.

00:46:37.000 And I kind of wish we could heal those fractures, get back to all the things that we agree on instead of.

00:46:42.000 Fighting over the little things we disagree on. 0.99

00:46:44.000 And so I think the race just makes me sad, honestly. 1.00

00:46:47.000 Yeah, I think that's well put. 1.00

00:46:49.000 I feel the same.

00:46:50.000 I mean, I was very clear yesterday.

00:46:51.000 I like him on Maha.

00:46:52.000 I like him on War.

00:46:53.000 I like him on the budget.

00:46:55.000 I think he got over his skis a little bit on Epstein.

00:46:58.000 Blake, I think he could even like more.

00:47:00.000 He could fight, I think, for more transparency on that.

00:47:03.000 But instead, he's openly just said, oh, you know, I agree with my party, except when they're protecting pedophiles.

00:47:08.000 Like he's throwing the whole thing out there.

00:47:09.000 Really pushing this whole narrative that. 0.90

00:47:12.000 With lunatics and also the far left, that oh, there's this Epstein class, they're trafficking all these kids.

00:47:20.000 It's not a thing that is, it's not, one, it's not true, but it's also just incredibly reckless and it's blowing everything up.

00:47:27.000 So this is very interesting.

00:47:28.000 President Trump has chimed in again, and we've seen him chime in on the Massey topic.

00:47:32.000 He's very, very adamant about it.

00:47:35.000 We know that.

00:47:35.000 But Hegseth chimed in.

00:47:38.000 Sop four.

00:47:39.000 Because after you've led men in life and death situations, the games that are played inside the beltway start looking pretty small.

00:47:47.000 Now contrast that with what we've gotten from Tom Massey.

00:47:52.000 At some point, being against everything becomes an excuse for accomplishing nothing.

00:47:57.000 At some point, constant obstruction is not leadership, it's just commentary.

00:48:02.000 It's obstruction.

00:48:04.000 President Trump does not need more people in Washington who are trying to make a point, especially from his own party.

00:48:12.000 He needs people willing to help him win, to vote with him when it matters the most.

00:48:19.000 All right, so that is noteworthy.

00:48:22.000 You also had Stephen Miller donning a MAGA cap, which The guy is MAGA as it comes, but I don't think I've ever seen him wearing an actual MAGA hat.

00:48:31.000 And he's basically going after the fact that he voted no on the one big beautiful bill, which is the signature border bill, ICE, Border Patrol, mass deportations.

00:48:40.000 He claims he chose illegals, left wing NGOs, and refugee industrial complex over you, your family, and your kids.

00:48:45.000 Okay, here's my concern.

00:48:48.000 So obviously the Trump administration is full force.

00:48:50.000 My concern is that the kids like Massey.

00:48:53.000 So, at Turning Point, we're always talking to the younger voters, college kids.

00:48:57.000 They like Massey.

00:48:58.000 And what I'm most concerned is that the fissure is really becoming a generational. 0.88

00:49:04.000 Charlie was extraordinarily worried about this with Operation Midnight Hammer, with the Epstein stuff. 0.89

00:49:08.000 He saw the writing on the wall. 0.98

00:49:10.000 That has continued to play out.

00:49:11.000 And honestly, the ends are getting further apart.

00:49:13.000 He has punk energy.

00:49:15.000 Yeah, he does have.

00:49:15.000 So, how do we.

00:49:16.000 I mean, this is why I'm saying, like, if Massey wins, I'm going to be okay with it.

00:49:21.000 If Galrain wins, I'm going to be okay with it either way.

00:49:24.000 I'm like you.

00:49:24.000 I just want the coalition together.

00:49:25.000 Final minute, Sean.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, it's the fracture there that I find worrisome.

00:49:31.000 And it is very real.

00:49:32.000 I think if you looked at the poll numbers in that state, basically everyone under 40 was overwhelmingly for Massey.

00:49:40.000 And then everyone above was overwhelmingly against him.

00:49:44.000 It's interesting.

00:49:45.000 This isn't the first time he and Trump have gone toe to toe.

00:49:48.000 It happened in 2020 as well because Massey was very much not a fan of the COVID stuff, to Massey's credit.

00:49:56.000 And Massey swatted away that primary.

00:49:58.000 Challenge very easily, but it feels like it's different this time around that it's not purely issues based, that it's a lot of personality based.

00:50:08.000 And personally, I think the thing that I find most annoying on the Massey side is the guy never mentioned Epstein before 2025.

00:50:16.000 I think he tweeted about it three times.

00:50:18.000 Trump gets in and magically overnight, it's the most important thing he cares about.

00:50:24.000 That just looks fake to me.

00:50:25.000 It looks like clout chasing and podcast chasing.

00:50:29.000 But I agree with you.

00:50:29.000 It's this.

00:50:30.000 Fissure between the old and the new, and the old and the young that makes this a real problem for the right.

00:50:35.000 Sean, great analysis.

00:50:37.000 Really interesting point you just made.

00:50:40.000 Check out the Federalists.

00:50:41.000 They are the best.

00:50:42.000 Sean, we appreciate you, man.

00:50:43.000 We'll see you soon.

00:50:44.000 Thank you.

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00:53:21.000 We got Tyler Boyer in studio, COO of Turning Point Action.

00:53:26.000 We're doing an action oriented political hour.

00:53:28.000 So, we just had Sean Davis, and that was important.

00:53:30.000 We're talking about Massey, talking about the Cornyn Paxton thing.

00:53:34.000 And then we're going to go over the races to watch, the races in the country that we want to pour all of our attention and energy into.

00:53:42.000 Without further ado, Tyler, one of the driving forces of the show when Charlie was here and we want to keep it going is that we give the audience the goal, the perspective, the mission.

00:53:53.000 The mission needs to be very, very expressly clear.

00:53:57.000 And you've put together a list. 0.98

00:53:59.000 Of the most important races in the country to keep control of the house to build towards 2028. 0.87

00:54:07.000 Okay, so that's the setup. 1.00

00:54:08.000 Here's the payoff.

00:54:10.000 Give us the list. 0.84

00:54:10.000 What's the first race that you're watching on your list here? 0.84

00:54:13.000 Well, first off, today's a big day, obviously, at the PAX, the news.

00:54:17.000 That was great.

00:54:18.000 It's a huge shift in the movement.

00:54:20.000 And this is why the right has to fight and has to actually take ground.

00:54:25.000 We talked about this all the time with Charlie we have to be on the offense, we have to take ground, we have to be fighting.

00:54:32.000 And right now, no one is talking enough about where we kill multiple birds with one stone.

00:54:39.000 How the left views everything.

00:54:42.000 They look at the presidential election, they work their way backward, they invest as heavily as possible into the swing states and the swing districts that help them keep the house, that win the senate, and then other key races.

00:54:55.000 So I'll start from the top.

00:54:55.000 We've been talking endlessly about the Arizona governor's race.

00:55:00.000 Arizona is so critical for three major reasons.

00:55:03.000 Number one, you have one of the easiest flips back for a Republican governor race, meaning that we have Biggs.

00:55:13.000 Andy Biggs to take out one of the weakest governors in the country, and Katie Hobbs, who refuses to debate, hasn't debated in over 2,500 days.

00:55:24.000 Really? 1.00

00:55:24.000 Yeah, she's a total mess. 1.00

00:55:27.000 If you've ever heard her high pitched voice. 0.99

00:55:29.000 But in addition to that, and the obvious that's there is Arizona is the most critical state to win in 2028.

00:55:36.000 If Republicans lose Arizona, over two thirds of all of our chances to win the presidency go out the window.

00:55:42.000 Explain that, what you're saying there, because I've heard you say that stat.

00:55:47.000 So you're basically breaking down that there's multiple different routes to get to 270, and two thirds of them require Arizona to work.

00:55:54.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 So for our listeners that are new, it takes 270 electoral college votes to win the presidency.

00:56:01.000 There's only so many combinations that can happen.

00:56:05.000 More than two thirds of all the combinations require you to win Arizona.

00:56:10.000 So, losing Arizona means you lose statistically the presidency in 2028.

00:56:16.000 So, setting ourselves up in 2026 to win in 2028 is hugely important.

00:56:21.000 Another really important piece to this is that two of the arguable 15 or 16, depending upon who you listen to, swing districts for the House of Representatives are in Arizona.

00:56:33.000 We're one of the only states that has swing districts at this point.

00:56:35.000 So, we're one state redrawing its masks.

00:56:37.000 We're not only one of the only ones that has one, we have two, and we only have nine congressional districts.

00:56:43.000 So, we have the highest per capita number of swing districts of any state.

00:56:48.000 Okay.

00:56:49.000 So, we're a swing state.

00:56:50.000 We got to win for 2028, and we have two.

00:56:52.000 So, the two in Arizona that are super important one is vacated by David Schweikert, who's running a horrible race against Andy Biggs.

00:56:58.000 He's losing by about 55.

00:56:59.000 But he's vacated.

00:57:00.000 So, he's off the table.

00:57:01.000 He's out.

00:57:02.000 He's struggled.

00:57:03.000 He had some really bad things happen in the news.

00:57:08.000 We won't get into it, but people are kind of happy to be done with him.

00:57:13.000 Jay Feely, who was the kicker for the Cardinals, is running in that district.

00:57:17.000 Joe Chaplick, who has been on the Freedom Caucus in Arizona at the state level, is running in that district.

00:57:23.000 And so you have them duking it out for the primary, and then you got to win and keep that seat.

00:57:29.000 The second is Juan Siscomani.

00:57:31.000 So Juan doesn't have a primary.

00:57:33.000 He's running against one of the toughest Democrats, I think, in the country.

00:57:38.000 His district covers kind of Pinal County, so where Mark Lamb is from, Sheriff Mark Lamb, where he's the sheriff, all the way down to Tucson and kind of the northern area of Tucson, which is not MAGA country so much.

00:57:51.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the outside, Arizona is kind of a funny place where it's either deep, deep, dark blue.

00:57:57.000 It's kind of radically blue or in the deep areas, or it's radically red.

00:58:02.000 And so the tough part is, is Wances Gamati is kind of comes from the more moderate realm.

00:58:08.000 And so he attracts some people away from the moderate left, if you can, if you'll say that.

00:58:14.000 But he has a beautiful family, awesome.

00:58:18.000 But, you know, parts of his district are pretty deep red.

00:58:21.000 And so.

00:58:22.000 You have to work really hard to get all the votes in.

00:58:24.000 Is it like an R1, R5?

00:58:27.000 Yeah, depending upon how you look at it, we'll call it, we'll round up to R plus 5.

00:58:31.000 Okay.

00:58:32.000 But some make the argument it's basically an R plus 1.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, and it's basically a 50 50 in a midterm.

00:58:37.000 And in Arizona 1, the one David Schweikert's leaving is in most ratings is an R plus 1 or a dead even.

00:58:45.000 It's 50 50.

00:58:46.000 That's like the Scottsdale one. 0.99

00:58:48.000 So Kamala actually won that district.

00:58:50.000 Oh.

00:58:51.000 David Schweikert won that district.

00:58:53.000 Okay.

00:58:54.000 So, Jay Feely's got a challenge.

00:58:58.000 That's a Scottsdale, though, right?

00:58:59.000 Yep.

00:58:59.000 So, it's Scottsdale.

00:59:01.000 You know, Jay Feely's been endorsed by all the major sports elites across the state of Arizona.

00:59:09.000 Many of the members of the 2001 championship team for the World Series team for the Arizona Diamondbacks.

00:59:18.000 Many of the members, obviously, of the Cardinals organization.

00:59:22.000 We've endorsed him.

00:59:23.000 The Cardinals have actually just moved their headquarters from Tempe and they're building one in Scottsdale, which would be in that district.

00:59:30.000 So it's kind of relevant. 0.99

00:59:33.000 The other races to watch, and these ones are, I'm going to kind of whip through these really quickly.

00:59:37.000 Derek Van Orden, who is running to protect his seat on the western side of Wisconsin, is getting attacked like crazy.

00:59:49.000 Incredibly important race to win.

00:59:52.000 I think if we lose this race, many other races will lose in the country.

00:59:56.000 So this is one of those where it's kind of a bellwether race.

00:59:59.000 I'm calling it a bellwether because we need Derek Van Orden to stay in place.

01:00:05.000 He's a strong candidate, has a decent amount of money, but conservatives have to show up in the rurals of Wisconsin.

01:00:11.000 Is he more a rock rib conservative, more moderate candidate?

01:00:15.000 Okay.

01:00:15.000 More moderate.

01:00:16.000 A more moderate.

01:00:17.000 But again, I think right now what you're seeing in Wisconsin is the moderates and conservatives all working together.

01:00:23.000 Tom Tiffany is the nominee effectively for governor, who is a Freedom Caucus member.

01:00:30.000 You have Derek Van Orden, who is not.

01:00:32.000 He's more moderate, but everybody's working together.

01:00:35.000 But he hasn't been a problem, right?

01:00:36.000 He's not like a.

01:00:38.000 He's not like a bacon or something out of, you know.

01:00:41.000 No.

01:00:41.000 Yeah.

01:00:42.000 No, but not by any means.

01:00:43.000 He's been awesome and he works together.

01:00:45.000 He's worked really well with us and we've been promoting him like crazy.

01:00:50.000 I want to give a shout out.

01:00:52.000 Not in every state does Americans for Prosperity do a lot of good work.

01:00:55.000 Right now, they're doing a lot of good work with Tom Tiffany and Derek Van Orden.

01:00:59.000 And so we like to see that.

01:01:00.000 That's really positive in Wisconsin.

01:01:01.000 That's great.

01:01:02.000 All right.

01:01:02.000 Next one Pennsylvania, Scott Perry, member of the Freedom Caucus.

01:01:06.000 He's great.

01:01:07.000 He is one of the guys that we absolutely have to defend.

01:01:09.000 He typically doesn't get a ton of outside support.

01:01:12.000 But absolutely, absolutely have to defend his seat in Pennsylvania.

01:01:16.000 If there's anyone.

01:01:17.000 Pennsylvania 10.

01:01:18.000 If there's out of there, there's very few people I say give direct money to.

01:01:22.000 Scott Perry is one of those people that you want to send money to and to help.

01:01:25.000 He's a phenomenal.

01:01:26.000 He's like Andy Biggs in Pennsylvania.

01:01:29.000 Yeah.

01:01:29.000 And we're going to get all these guys on the show.

01:01:32.000 We'll do this in quick work so you guys can get to know them.

01:01:34.000 But Scott Perry is a phenomenal patriot.

01:01:37.000 Next one.

01:01:38.000 In Iowa, do we have two races in Iowa? 1.00

01:01:40.000 Marionette Miller Meeks, who won infamously her race. 1.00

01:01:44.000 By just a handful of votes. 1.00

01:01:45.000 I think it was six votes.

01:01:47.000 This was during COVID.

01:01:49.000 We actually showed up with students for Trump, knocked doors for her, and she barely won.

01:01:53.000 And the argument was if we didn't show up because nobody else was showing up, she may not have won originally.

01:01:58.000 We've got to retain her seat.

01:01:59.000 Zach Nunn, who's a younger guy, is awesome.

01:02:04.000 We've got to protect his seat in Iowa.

01:02:05.000 So those two races, again, a little bit more similar to Derek Venor, a little bit more moderate, but they've been right there with voting with the president, voting with the Republican conference, and have done a great job.

01:02:17.000 Michigan seven.

01:02:18.000 This was actually a flip from last election.

01:02:20.000 So, this is a scary one.

01:02:22.000 So, where Derek Van Orden is kind of a bellwether, Michigan seven is kind of a bellwether for the Democrats.

01:02:28.000 If they don't win this one back, this was Slotkin's seat.

01:02:32.000 So, Slotkin left to run for Senate, and her district flipped to the Republicans with Tom Barrett.

01:02:39.000 Tom Barrett's a young guy, younger guy.

01:02:43.000 Got to protect him.

01:02:44.000 He's kind of in the same camp again as Derek Van Orden.

01:02:47.000 A little bit more moderate, but that's a district that swung from kind of radical leftist to moderate Republican.

01:02:55.000 And if you lose this one.

01:02:57.000 What's the makeup of Michigan 7?

01:02:59.000 Where's it?

01:03:00.000 So, it actually, so Trump won this district.

01:03:02.000 So, this is kind of the opposite of AZ01, where Trump won this district, but Republicans have won this district in the past, and it's kind of tilt Republican.

01:03:12.000 It is a dead heat.

01:03:13.000 That is a dead heat district. 0.99

01:03:15.000 But every single race back and forth.

01:03:16.000 It goes back and forth, back and forth. 0.74

01:03:19.000 Lastly, I'll kind of touch upon this. 1.00

01:03:22.000 Marcy Kaptur, it looks like, is going to have the toughest time retaining her seat. 0.99

01:03:27.000 She's a Democrat in Ohio 9.

01:03:29.000 This is a really important seat because this is a border.

01:03:33.000 Marcy Kaptur is a Democrat.

01:03:35.000 Democrat Derek Marin is the Republican who ran last time.

01:03:38.000 That's the Dem. 0.99

01:03:39.000 We want her out. 1.00

01:03:40.000 Got to get her out. 1.00

01:03:41.000 She's in Ohio nine.

01:03:43.000 Derek Marin is the Republican.

01:03:45.000 He ran last time, barely lost.

01:03:47.000 And we have to get him the win.

01:03:49.000 Oh, so this is his second time running then.

01:03:51.000 So he's got some good name ID, built up some momentum.

01:03:54.000 I actually love those races where a guy barely loses, comes back, tries it again, and wins.

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:00.000 And so he has a real good shot at this.

01:04:02.000 New Hampshire Senate.

01:04:03.000 Johnson Uno got endorsed by President Trump.

01:04:06.000 Has a real chance.

01:04:07.000 This is an under the radar, fly under the radar race that we're working really hard in. 0.99

01:04:11.000 The Sununu race, I want to get some clarity on this because we were talking with Brown before.

01:04:20.000 What was the backstory there that you can share?

01:04:20.000 What happened?

01:04:23.000 Yeah, I mean, look, so Scott Brown, who was former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, he ran about a decade ago in New Hampshire.

01:04:33.000 He took over Ted Kennedy's seat originally in Massachusetts.

01:04:37.000 This was a big deal where they broke.

01:04:38.000 The 60 vote supermajority that they had, basically.

01:04:43.000 It's hard to remain a career Republican in Massachusetts.

01:04:46.000 But it was a huge, huge story.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:48.000 Anyways, yeah.

01:04:49.000 He moved to New Hampshire.

01:04:51.000 You know, he lived right on the border, moved to New Hampshire, ran about 10 years ago, lost just barely, and has kind of been working towards running again this year.

01:05:02.000 We hope Scott's incredible.

01:05:05.000 I think he's a good conservative.

01:05:06.000 Yeah, the grassroots really likes him.

01:05:08.000 The grassroots likes him.

01:05:10.000 Yeah.

01:05:10.000 The president came in and endorsed Sununu not that long ago.

01:05:15.000 And Sununu, to his credit, is it's not Governor Sununu, who's more moderate.

01:05:22.000 He's the brother of Governor Sununu, who is arguably more conservative.

01:05:27.000 But to that point, it's like all the polling is showing, particularly after the president's endorsement, plus the money, plus the name ID, plus the Sununu name ID, is that they're there.

01:05:36.000 So, Turning Point just recently had, yeah, we had had conversations.

01:05:41.000 I think we have a good relationship with Scott Brown.

01:05:43.000 I hope Scott stays.

01:05:44.000 In the fight, because I think that he would make a really great next time candidate.

01:05:50.000 And that's a tough decision.

01:05:51.000 Well, you were behind this.

01:05:52.000 I remember you were the one that set up all the meetings, and that's when I got to meet Scott and Charlie met Scott.

01:05:58.000 You were behind all that.

01:05:59.000 So I understand your personal affection for the guy and belief in his political future.

01:06:07.000 But Sununu, to your point, the polling is radically in favor of Sununu, especially after Trump's endorsement.

01:06:13.000 At the end of the day, you have to make a calculation.

01:06:15.000 New Hampshire is a state that has not sent anybody to D.C. from the conservative side in a while, but they, on the state level, they tend to be conservative.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:24.000 That's right.

01:06:24.000 So we got to flip the script and get a conservative there.

01:06:29.000 It's the hallmark Democrats taking advantage of Republicans by targeting, mass targeting the state, both on the redistricting front, which is what they did to begin with in the beginning of this decade with Congress, and then overlaying tons of money in Senate races.

01:06:48.000 And so you have a Republican, arguably Republican state.

01:06:52.000 And New Hampshire is very similar to Arizona, where it's really close, really close.

01:06:57.000 You come here and it feels Republican.

01:07:00.000 There's a lot of Republican things that go on here, like permitless concealed carry, school choice, which they call constitutional.

01:07:07.000 It feels very rich.

01:07:08.000 School choice.

01:07:10.000 It's very suburban, all those things.

01:07:14.000 But again, the Democrats are smart.

01:07:16.000 They take advantage of redistricting, similar to New Hampshire.

01:07:19.000 Arizona is the same.

01:07:20.000 You get a lot of swing districts, so they flood a lot of money in for the congressional races.

01:07:24.000 You flood a lot of simultaneous money into the Senate races.

01:07:28.000 And guess what happens?

01:07:29.000 They win federal races while everything else goes red.

01:07:32.000 Well, it's also New Hampshire, it's a very swingy state. 0.99

01:07:36.000 It's one of the whitest states. 0.89

01:07:38.000 And so white voters are more swing voter. 0.73

01:07:40.000 They go back and forth more often.

01:07:43.000 It's just an odd state.

01:07:46.000 You get this with Iowa a bit too.

01:07:48.000 It's got the annual presidential primary race, which means the big candidates are there all of the time.

01:07:53.000 And a friend of mine who's experiencing this says, as a result, they like politics a little bit too much sometimes.

01:07:59.000 And so that can affect how things go.

01:08:01.000 It does make them.

01:08:03.000 Again, it contributes to them being swingy about things, getting really invested in it.

01:08:08.000 It's an odd state.

01:08:09.000 It's probably one of the most unusual states.

01:08:10.000 Again, you can't underscore this enough.

01:08:13.000 There's more registered Republicans in that state than there are Democrats, and it's the independents that really swing it back one way or the other.

01:08:20.000 How are we seeing the independent vote play out right now, Tyler?

01:08:24.000 Is there any initial polling?

01:08:27.000 Can you see that they're more in Sununu's camp?

01:08:30.000 What are you seeing on the independent front?

01:08:32.000 Yeah, so this is a reminder again, and we'll talk a lot more about this.

01:08:35.000 Through the election cycle, midterms in particular, the independent vote is fickle.

01:08:41.000 So you poll, you poll, you poll.

01:08:44.000 But remember, turnout with independents is far lower, substantially lower in a midterm than it is in a presidential.

01:08:51.000 So a presidential, you see much higher levels of turnout, particularly amongst independents.

01:08:57.000 And there's this fallacy of this like every independent voter is a swing voter.

01:09:03.000 For some reason, on the Republican side, we think of independents as like, oh, well, we.

01:09:07.000 We get to win those people every time.

01:09:09.000 The reality is that most independents either categorize themselves as a pretty much all the time Democrat or a pretty much all the time Republican voter.

01:09:18.000 And then there's a small fraction of those independent voters that are swing voters.

01:09:22.000 Now, in midterms, those true swing voters are even less likely to show up.

01:09:27.000 Right.

01:09:27.000 So, you know, and again, you don't want to dismiss them.

01:09:31.000 You want to work on that pocket, but you have to substantially look at each state and what do they make up?

01:09:37.000 Are they.

01:09:38.000 Are they 5% of the vote?

01:09:40.000 Are they 3% of the vote?

01:09:41.000 Are they 8% of the vote?

01:09:43.000 In most cases, it's sub 10%.

01:09:45.000 Really?

01:09:46.000 Even in a state like New Hampshire that has more registered independents than either party?

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 I mean, look, Arizona is the same right now.

01:09:53.000 You have more independents here than any of either party.

01:09:57.000 And states like North Carolina, you have tons of independents.

01:10:00.000 But again, they're far less likely to show up.

01:10:03.000 And you have to keep in mind there's a factor of independents who are.

01:10:08.000 Not Republican because they feel they're too conservative for the Republican Party.

01:10:13.000 There's a faction of Democrats that leave, become independents because they feel the party is too moderate for them.

01:10:22.000 Right, right, right.

01:10:22.000 And so you have, and in these states, again, you have an entire ecosystem for Republicans within New Hampshire that kind of view themselves as more libertarian.

01:10:33.000 And so there are libertarian leaning Republicans that get swayed in certain ways.

01:10:39.000 And I would say the Massey race today.

01:10:42.000 Actually, it takes a huge toll on a state like New Hampshire where there will be some negativity if Massey loses.

01:10:49.000 We saw that.

01:10:50.000 We had an email from someone who said if Massey loses, they plan to vote Democrat this fall, which we think is fundamentally deranged.

01:10:58.000 That is an insane point of view to take when you see what the actual Democrat agenda is for America.

01:11:03.000 But it is a take we've seen.

01:11:05.000 We can't hide the fact that that is occurring.

01:11:07.000 Well, I just find it fascinating as well that in New Hampshire, like Arizona, you basically, let's just say you have a third, a third, a third registered, a third Republican, third Democrat, third Independent, but it only accounts for about 10% of the vote.

01:11:20.000 Yep.

01:11:21.000 That's wild.

01:11:22.000 Well, and again, it depends.

01:11:25.000 It's kind of depends on the whole thing.

01:11:27.000 What my point was is about 10% or less of the independents are swing.

01:11:34.000 Does that make sense?

01:11:35.000 Not that they make up 10% of the vote, but in most states, you know, depending upon what you look at, it's sub 25%.

01:11:44.000 Okay.

01:11:45.000 It's sub 20% in some cases of the turnout because the turnout is just so bad because they're not as engaged.

01:11:51.000 Well, midterms.

01:11:52.000 They may not get an early ballot.

01:11:53.000 They may not.

01:11:55.000 Because they didn't vote in the primary.

01:11:57.000 A lot of the things that they do that make them habitual voters.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 19, 2026

President Trump's Biggest Endorsement

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