The Charlie Kirk Show - Previewing Proof of Fraud in 2020 with Eric Metaxas

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Eric Metaxas is on the program and also my friend Barry McGuire, who talks about the need for us to share our faith.

00:00:08.000 Our in-depth analysis of our briefing from Dinesh D'Souza's upcoming movie on voter fraud.

00:00:14.000 And also, did Sodom and Gomorrah actually happen?

00:00:17.000 Kind of a grab bag of topics, unscripted, and that kind of makes for the best podcast.

00:00:22.000 Enjoy this conversation with two of my friends about things that matter that are beautiful, good, and eternal.

00:00:26.000 Buckle up. 0.96

00:00:27.000 Here we go.

00:00:27.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:29.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:31.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:34.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:38.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:39.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:40.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:48.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:57.000 That's why we are here.

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00:01:12.000 I've known this guest for quite a while.

00:01:14.000 He's a great friend, and we're both.

00:01:15.000 You were 22 when I met you the first time in D.C. Wow.

00:01:20.000 And two people told me, you want to meet the smartest guy in the world?

00:01:23.000 Two of my most respected hierarchy guys told me, you want to meet the smartest guy in our lives that we've ever met?

00:01:31.000 And I had to meet you, so I chased you down at the Trump Hotel.

00:01:35.000 We had lunch one day.

00:01:37.000 I remember that startup.

00:01:38.000 Therefore, you're very kind.

00:01:40.000 And it's Barry McGuire, and you run Ignite America Ministry.

00:01:43.000 We do.

00:01:43.000 We sell car wax on the side, you know.

00:01:46.000 It's the side business?

00:01:47.000 Yeah, the side business.

00:01:48.000 We're the number one selling car wax.

00:01:49.000 It's a family business since 1901 and all that.

00:01:52.000 But, you know, back in 1976, I thought I should go into full-time ministry.

00:01:56.000 I prayed.

00:01:56.000 I asked God, should I go in?

00:01:58.000 And you almost had to speak to me with an audible voice.

00:02:00.000 A guy walked up my office, talked to me for a couple minutes, and heard how I was sharing my faith all over the place.

00:02:05.000 He says, God's given you a wonderful ministry, hadn't he?

00:02:08.000 And I said, well, what do you mean?

00:02:09.000 He says, you're reaching people that a pastor couldn't reach.

00:02:12.000 It's obvious that your business is your pulpit.

00:02:14.000 And folks, every one of us, no matter where you are, wherever you're at, that's your pulpit.

00:02:19.000 That is your pulpit.

00:02:20.000 I said, I can't believe that.

00:02:21.000 I just prayed this prayer not 20 minutes ago.

00:02:24.000 And he said, well, that explains it.

00:02:25.000 I said, explains what?

00:02:26.000 He said, I was driving up Red Hill.

00:02:28.000 I just dropped off missionaries at the Orange County Airport.

00:02:31.000 And God spoke to me and said, go see Barry McGuire.

00:02:34.000 And I argued with him all the way to your office saying, I don't know this guy.

00:02:37.000 I don't know what kind of business, but he would not let me go.

00:02:40.000 And I walked in your office.

00:02:42.000 I didn't know what to say, but how's it going?

00:02:44.000 And that's just, that was every once in a while.

00:02:47.000 God, sometimes it takes a while, but sometimes God just answers it right away.

00:02:51.000 And that was a life-changing moment for me.

00:02:53.000 The first time I realized that our lives and our ministry and our testimony, it's all one.

00:02:59.000 We're in full-time ministry.

00:03:00.000 There's nothing secular for us. 0.54

00:03:02.000 That's a separation. 0.85

00:03:03.000 No.

00:03:03.000 When you're on Fox, you're talking political news.

00:03:05.000 You're in full-time ministry.

00:03:07.000 You're uplifting the name of Jesus and everything you do.

00:03:09.000 And that's how we all should be.

00:03:10.000 What percentage of Christians actively share their faith?

00:03:10.000 Amen.

00:03:13.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:03:13.000 1%. 0.87

00:03:14.000 No, the statistics say 35%, but we're big on statistics.

00:03:19.000 Explain us.

00:03:20.000 You know, most evangelicals today think sharing their faith is being a good person.

00:03:26.000 I have people come up to you all the time, and they're telling me stories how they're such a good person.

00:03:29.000 I'm sure I said, well, what did that accomplish exactly?

00:03:33.000 Other than it made you feel ready to go.

00:03:35.000 You know, and it's so easy to just do good things, of course.

00:03:35.000 Yeah.

00:03:39.000 But actions do not speak louder than our words.

00:03:42.000 Actions speak before our words, right?

00:03:44.000 Wow. 0.67

00:03:45.000 So when you do something, I said somebody, and just it just takes a second.

00:03:48.000 Just look at what's a good day.

00:03:50.000 And you look at them in the eye and say, and God bless you and mean it.

00:03:54.000 Don't say it as you're walking away.

00:03:56.000 Just mean it.

00:03:57.000 You know, close to half the time they'll look at you and a lot of times have tears in their eyes just by that simple people are hungry for God.

00:04:04.000 They're lost.

00:04:05.000 You know, 80% of the unchurched are looking for somebody to tell about God right now.

00:04:09.000 75% of Americans going to bed in fear every night.

00:04:13.000 That's good for us because if they're in fear, they're searching for knowledge.

00:04:19.000 Over 80% of the unchurched.

00:04:20.000 These are hard, fast numbers substantiated.

00:04:23.000 We have it on our website by three different major studies.

00:04:26.000 We don't just use flippant stats.

00:04:28.000 Over 80% of the unchurched know the world's out of control.

00:04:31.000 You know that.

00:04:32.000 They know the world's out of control.

00:04:33.000 They would like to believe there's a God who can end the chaos.

00:04:37.000 They are looking for somebody to tell them and get this.

00:04:40.000 They already have at least one person in their life who's a Christian that they trust.

00:04:44.000 We could evangelize America in 30 days.

00:04:47.000 So our ministry is igniting Christians to ignite America with the revival one person at a time.

00:04:53.000 And they're not going to church.

00:04:54.000 You understand that?

00:04:55.000 80% of the biography, they're blinded.

00:04:58.000 They're not bad.

00:04:59.000 They're not evil.

00:05:00.000 They're lost.

00:05:01.000 That's our fault.

00:05:02.000 But who's going to tell unless they're sent?

00:05:04.000 And when's the last time we've heard any of our pastors other than Jack Hibbs?

00:05:08.000 If you're like Ed Rob McCoy, but for the most part, they're just preaching sermons they could have preached three years ago.

00:05:13.000 They're certainly not saying go into the world and be a light.

00:05:17.000 You know, salt and light both have the same one thing about them is the same.

00:05:23.000 They both change their environment.

00:05:26.000 So the question is...

00:05:27.000 I thought of it though.

00:05:27.000 So every question, the question for every Christian is, are you changing your environment?

00:05:32.000 Wow.

00:05:32.000 Or is it changing you?

00:05:34.000 Easier question to answer.

00:05:36.000 Is the church changing our environment?

00:05:39.000 Or is the environment?

00:05:41.000 No.

00:05:41.000 Few are, but for the most part, no, the environment is changing our church.

00:05:45.000 Wokeism in our church.

00:05:46.000 It's killing me.

00:05:47.000 And you, people we thought were with us.

00:05:50.000 It is part of the last days prophecy. 0.90

00:05:52.000 You know, the apostasy, the great falling away is part of it. 0.76

00:05:54.000 I look at that. 0.96

00:05:55.000 But that doesn't soften it any.

00:05:56.000 I mean, it's killing to see what's going on.

00:05:58.000 It's so hard to see, isn't it?

00:05:59.000 How can it possibly be, people, you and I have both respected?

00:06:02.000 I remember you came to our office about a year and a half ago and you said, is this a lot of people?

00:06:06.000 How is it possible when it first started?

00:06:08.000 The woke is it first started?

00:06:09.000 You and I both shake our heads saying, how is this possible?

00:06:11.000 It's gotten a whole lot worse since then.

00:06:13.000 And the line's being drawn, the wheat from the chaff.

00:06:16.000 But that means for us who somehow, I don't know why you and I, we know who the Lord is.

00:06:24.000 There's so few of us.

00:06:25.000 But there's also this huge responsibility.

00:06:27.000 That's exactly right.

00:06:28.000 And time's running out.

00:06:30.000 I don't know how much time we have left. 0.94

00:06:31.000 I don't think we have a lot of time left, which means, folks, if you have someone in your life that's not a Christian, you're running out of time.

00:06:37.000 If the rapture was going to happen tomorrow, and it could, if you knew it for sure it was going to happen, what would you be doing with your unsaved friends today? 0.51

00:06:44.000 You'd be calling them.

00:06:45.000 And that's how we all need to be acting right now.

00:06:47.000 Without us, they have no hope.

00:06:49.000 There's no place to go.

00:06:50.000 They're not listening to Christian Ray.

00:06:52.000 They're not going to church.

00:06:52.000 It's us.

00:06:53.000 We're the church.

00:06:55.000 We are the church.

00:06:56.000 The ecclesia.

00:06:57.000 We're the ecclesia.

00:06:58.000 You explained that so well.

00:06:59.000 I want to just compliment Barry here.

00:07:02.000 I've seen it in action.

00:07:03.000 Restaurants.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:05.000 Valets.

00:07:06.000 Every day.

00:07:07.000 If I'm out with Barry, he's sharing the gospel with somebody.

00:07:10.000 Just regular muscular class folks, right?

00:07:12.000 Waiters, waitresses.

00:07:14.000 Our theme is move everybody every day.

00:07:17.000 Not one person a day.

00:07:19.000 Oh, I suppose so.

00:07:20.000 Reach one person a day.

00:07:22.000 What about all the other people with today that are going to hell?

00:07:25.000 I just reach, and how do I pick one?

00:07:28.000 How do I pick the right one?

00:07:30.000 You know, no, that doesn't work.

00:07:32.000 But you do it with everybody, Barry.

00:07:33.000 I do.

00:07:33.000 You live this out.

00:07:34.000 I got to say.

00:07:35.000 Move everybody.

00:07:35.000 When I travel with you, it's exhausting.

00:07:37.000 Come on, Barry.

00:07:38.000 We can't stop.

00:07:39.000 And you said, nope.

00:07:40.000 Every person needs to hear the gospel.

00:07:41.000 I tell you, it's so much fun.

00:07:43.000 People say, why are you so happy every time?

00:07:45.000 Because I'm always coming off one of these experiences.

00:07:47.000 You know why?

00:07:48.000 I bet you haven't thought of this.

00:07:49.000 The joy of the Lord is my strength.

00:07:51.000 You hear that?

00:07:52.000 Amen.

00:07:52.000 It's not our joy, it's his joy.

00:07:54.000 And when I walk out of those, continue, I walk out of those experiences, I look up and I see Jesus smiling at me.

00:08:00.000 I just gave Jesus joy.

00:08:02.000 And if that doesn't put a bounce in your step, I tell you what, nothing does anymore.

00:08:06.000 How many times do I miss it?

00:08:08.000 And God's going, oybe.

00:08:09.000 I just sound very just blew me off.

00:08:12.000 I know that happens on occasion.

00:08:14.000 But when I pull it off, yes, you know, he sets the appointment and he gives you the words.

00:08:21.000 You don't have to do anything.

00:08:22.000 All you have to do is show up.

00:08:23.000 Wow.

00:08:24.000 Because there's no, you can't prepare for these conversations.

00:08:27.000 And he gives you scriptures you haven't thought of in 10 years.

00:08:30.000 He gives you stuff.

00:08:31.000 And you see, you walk away and say, I don't even know where that guy.

00:08:35.000 I do know where it came from.

00:08:37.000 Because Luke 12, 12 says, the Holy Spirit will give you the words to say when you need them.

00:08:42.000 So that whole dynamic, and that's why there's an intimacy with God.

00:08:47.000 You and I both know this.

00:08:48.000 You do this amazingly well.

00:08:49.000 I've watched you.

00:08:50.000 I mean, you're incredible.

00:08:52.000 That's why we're soulmates of this.

00:08:54.000 When you have that happen, the intimacy you have with God at that point.

00:08:58.000 I mean, you just, oh, God used you to move that person.

00:09:01.000 And it's not, you don't have to get them saved on the spot.

00:09:04.000 That rarely happens.

00:09:05.000 And when you do, you're the last of maybe 20 people who've been on that chain, right?

00:09:09.000 But you get to be there.

00:09:11.000 And if you just, if you move Mattiskosh, if we all did that, if we all moved, everybody were with it, just a scosh closer to Jesus, we'd have revival.

00:09:19.000 Amen.

00:09:20.000 Tell us about your website and how people are.

00:09:22.000 Website igniteamerica.com.

00:09:23.000 Tell us what you're talking about.

00:09:24.000 You know what podcast our pad costs launched?

00:09:26.000 You got one on Monday on Ignite America.

00:09:28.000 Well, we got a whole bunch of them.

00:09:29.000 We've got them with Michael and Dell and ever hear of Eric for Taxis.

00:09:34.000 He's on after you.

00:09:35.000 We're going to get it.

00:09:36.000 So they're all on it.

00:09:37.000 You can get it on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, Google.org.

00:09:41.000 Amazon.

00:09:43.000 Or you can go to igniteamerica.com.

00:09:46.000 They launch on Monday and every one of them is talking to you.

00:09:49.000 Like Mike and Dell.

00:09:49.000 I said, don't tell me about pillows and don't tell me about electrical stuff.

00:09:53.000 Tell me why everywhere you go, you talk about Jesus.

00:09:56.000 So these podcasts will light your fire.

00:09:59.000 Well, it's transformational.

00:10:00.000 I tell people that, you know, you bring Jesus into your life, he'll set you free.

00:10:04.000 Last scripture.

00:10:05.000 Isaiah 43, 10.

00:10:07.000 The only scripture says why you should share your faith.

00:10:09.000 Thus saith the Lord, I appointed you as my witness.

00:10:13.000 Everyone listening to it's right.

00:10:14.000 I appointed you as my witness so that you will believe.

00:10:17.000 Because when you share your faith, your own faith explodes.

00:10:20.000 Wow.

00:10:21.000 And your institute of God explodes.

00:10:22.000 That's why it's the Great Commission. 0.94

00:10:23.000 It's the most important thing.

00:10:26.000 Why is it the most important thing?

00:10:27.000 It's like the great old mission.

00:10:30.000 Pastors aren't telling us there's the number one thing we should do.

00:10:33.000 So that's the gap we're trying to fill.

00:10:34.000 Igniteamerica.com, Barry.

00:10:36.000 Known you for years.

00:10:36.000 God bless you.

00:10:37.000 You're blessing.

00:10:38.000 God bless you.

00:10:39.000 Thank you.

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00:12:00.000 I have kidnapped him against his will.

00:12:03.000 He's kicking and screaming from his radio program.

00:12:06.000 He's going to be more popular than Johnny Carson on his new show.

00:12:10.000 And he's also a best-selling author in, what, 100 different languages?

00:12:14.000 Oh, at least.

00:12:15.000 At least.

00:12:15.000 Eric Metaxas, his reputation precedes him.

00:12:19.000 And they say he's a funny guy.

00:12:21.000 And the pretzels are making him thirsty.

00:12:25.000 No one gets that reference.

00:12:26.000 Thank you.

00:12:27.000 Straight over their head.

00:12:27.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:12:28.000 Not that there's anything wrong with it.

00:12:29.000 Eric, God bless you.

00:12:30.000 How are you doing?

00:12:31.000 I'm doing great.

00:12:32.000 I just, you cheer me up.

00:12:35.000 That's the kind of person I am.

00:12:36.000 Like, when I'm around people like you, I just get instantly cheered up.

00:12:41.000 That gives me hope.

00:12:42.000 You're that kind of a man.

00:12:43.000 I was excited when I heard you were coming on the program.

00:12:46.000 So I really don't have much of an agenda.

00:12:48.000 I mean, what's your story?

00:12:49.000 I have nothing but agenda.

00:12:51.000 You've got nothing but age.

00:12:52.000 Nothing but agenda.

00:12:53.000 No, I don't have an agenda.

00:12:54.000 I just, we're at the NRB, which is it's all itself, like I have a love-hate relationship with the NRB.

00:13:00.000 It's National Religious Broadcasters Convention.

00:13:02.000 And it's kind of like, first of all, they always hold it where it is right now, which is to say the Gaylord Resort, blah, blah, blah, which is a terrarium for humans.

00:13:14.000 And as somebody who lives in Manhattan, people say, how can you live in Manhattan?

00:13:18.000 Because it's not like this.

00:13:20.000 Because there's less plastic per square mile.

00:13:24.000 You know, it's just so bizarre.

00:13:26.000 And people say, you're going to Nashville?

00:13:28.000 It's like, no, I'm going to the Gaylord, which is like, you know, it's like a habit trail, you know, plexiglass.

00:13:39.000 It's a monstrosity.

00:13:39.000 It's a monstrosity for human beings.

00:13:41.000 And, you know, a lot of people like it.

00:13:43.000 And I just want to be clear, those people are wrong.

00:13:47.000 But I bump into people here.

00:13:50.000 What makes it fun is that there are so many friends and people here.

00:13:55.000 And it's not as crowded as other conferences, which I actually like.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:13:58.000 CPAC, so packed.

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 I can actually have a conversation.

00:14:04.000 This is actually, in some ways, it's delightful because I do get to mingle and bump into people, well, like you, who, you know, so it's a lot of fun.

00:14:14.000 My favorite thing, of course, was bumping into Pat Boone the other day. 0.96

00:14:18.000 Most people listening to this program are way too ignorant to know who Pat Boone is. 0.77

00:14:23.000 Pat Boone is one of the legends of the. 0.90

00:14:26.000 I can't even get over the fact that he's now a friend.

00:14:30.000 He's 87 years old.

00:14:33.000 He was ultra-famous all through the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s.

00:14:39.000 And it's only recently, in a way, that people don't know who he is.

00:14:43.000 But he has a new movie out called The Mulligan, and he's just become a friend.

00:14:48.000 But he is just one of the legends of entertainment.

00:14:52.000 There's no one he didn't know as a friend, from Frank Sinatra to the Queen of England to the Beatles.

00:14:57.000 It's insane.

00:14:58.000 So that's kind of part of the fun of NRB.

00:15:02.000 So what's your read on the state of the country?

00:15:05.000 What country are we talking about, Charlie?

00:15:08.000 America.

00:15:09.000 That's kind of the question.

00:15:10.000 Well, I mean, look, I have said over and over, I'm pretty convinced the election was flat out stolen. 0.98

00:15:17.000 And if anybody ever thinks I will shut up about that, they're insane.

00:15:21.000 Yeah, and I want to talk, not in this segment.

00:15:23.000 I didn't only interrupt, Eric.

00:15:24.000 We need to talk about our time with Dinesh.

00:15:27.000 There's only Dinesh, but you know.

00:15:29.000 It's like Madonna.

00:15:31.000 Do you know many Dineshes? 1.00

00:15:32.000 There's only one Dinesh.

00:15:33.000 You mean Dinesh D'Souza or Dinesh McGillicutti?

00:15:37.000 Which one?

00:15:37.000 Which one are we talking about?

00:15:38.000 I was going to say, you know multiple Dineshes?

00:15:41.000 No, there's just the one Dinesh.

00:15:43.000 Now, I have to say, when we say we have Eric on, it's like share.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:47.000 There's only one.

00:15:49.000 They say it's Eric.

00:15:50.000 Oh my gosh.

00:15:51.000 No, but we need to talk about our time with Dinesh D'Souza.

00:15:54.000 Yeah.

00:15:54.000 Not to be confused with Dinesh Douza.

00:15:55.000 I mean, the thing is, when somebody says, how's the country?

00:15:58.000 What's going on in the country?

00:15:59.000 You can't even answer that.

00:16:01.000 At least I can't, simply.

00:16:04.000 Because first of all, you have to say what country, what is happening, what is going on.

00:16:07.000 So there's the one level of having an administration that isn't just like outrageously, unprecedentedly, historically incompetent, but they are also not legitimate.

00:16:19.000 You have at least half of the country seriously wondering whether they stole the election.

00:16:25.000 So that's a whole layer of bizarre when you have a weak president, when you have a weak administration.

00:16:32.000 I'm old enough because I'm like twice your age to know this happens every time, but we're not going to be able to do it.

00:16:36.000 This happens every single time.

00:16:38.000 It happened with Carter.

00:16:40.000 It happens every single time you project any kind of weakness. 0.99

00:16:45.000 The tyrants, they would be fools as tyrants not to rush in and to get away with whatever crime and misery they can. 0.98

00:16:53.000 And of course, Putin is doing that. 0.97

00:16:55.000 The only question is, why hasn't China done it yet and when will they do it?

00:16:58.000 That's the question.

00:17:00.000 You know, when I'm talking to your audience, I'm sitting here with you.

00:17:04.000 It's hard for me to know what to say because I assume you've covered everything politically, whatever.

00:17:10.000 I don't know what to do.

00:17:12.000 No, no, but I mean, seriously, because like when you bring up Ukraine and Russia, for example, right?

00:17:17.000 I don't know, I haven't listened to your program on this, but to me, it's one thing that Biden, he sort of puts out a welcome mat.

00:17:27.000 Like it's a level of weakness that is so beyond, beyond, that, of course, now is the chance. 0.99

00:17:34.000 If somebody like Putin doesn't do stuff like this now, they'd be foolish.

00:17:36.000 Yeah, so I have, you know, the Salem community is very wise in the foreign policy world, but I probably have a contrarian take, and I bet you actually probably agree with me. 0.87

00:17:45.000 What is it?

00:17:46.000 Which I don't think we should get involved.

00:17:48.000 Well, no, that's the easy contrarian take.

00:17:50.000 I go a step further and say that it seems clear to me that deep state actors, neocons going all the way back to Bush 41, 43, they've been there forever.

00:18:01.000 We used to think they were the good guys, right?

00:18:03.000 Yeah, no, they were right.

00:18:04.000 They set this up, whether intentionally or unintentionally. 0.89

00:18:08.000 The point is that they have cynically, that's the key, cynically used Ukraine.

00:18:14.000 In other words, they don't give a damn about the people of Ukraine.

00:18:17.000 No, that's right.

00:18:18.000 They have used it to provoke the Russian bear in such a way that almost, you know, to save face or to preserve self-respect, Putin is goaded into belligerence.

00:18:30.000 Now, don't get me wrong, I know that he's wrong, and I know that he's not.

00:18:32.000 He's evil to invade a smaller, weaker country.

00:18:34.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:18:35.000 But what I'm saying is that we, what our government, and again, when you say government, we're not talking about people that were elected.

00:18:43.000 We're talking about Jake Sullivan.

00:18:46.000 We're talking about Victoria Noland or Vinman, all these guys that are just off.

00:18:49.000 Those people who are fundamentally, I would say, un-American and sometimes anti-American in their vision, they have controlled our foreign policy.

00:19:00.000 Because I've had conversations on my program with people like John Zmirek or whatever, asking, like, so when the wall fell, when the Iron Curtain came down in 91, why didn't we end NATO or change things dramatically?

00:19:17.000 In other words, who was behind the idea that we're going to sort of keep the Cold War going?

00:19:23.000 If they were going to do that, they were going to continue to spend zillions of Americans' dollars.

00:19:29.000 They would have to explain why.

00:19:30.000 How is it in our best interest to expand NATO?

00:19:33.000 The Soviet Union is gone.

00:19:36.000 What is at that point?

00:19:37.000 I don't even know what to do.

00:19:38.000 Well, in a contrarian way, not contrasting.

00:19:41.000 Because imagine Gorka would disagree with me, but he's not here.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, but, and I have a great deal of respect for Seb of Noah.

00:19:47.000 So do I.

00:19:47.000 So do I board?

00:19:49.000 Just see it a little differently, where it's actually because NATO kept expanding, it allowed Putin to consolidate power over is that it gave domestic political support that actually created his regime.

00:20:01.000 That's exactly what they're saying.

00:20:01.000 Because they say, see, see, the West won't go away.

00:20:04.000 Okay, that's exactly correct.

00:20:06.000 And so you think, what is that called?

00:20:08.000 That's called unbelievably bad leadership and planning.

00:20:13.000 These are people, you know, Buckley famously said he'd rather be governed by the, whatever, the first 300 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard.

00:20:20.000 That's what you're dealing with here.

00:20:22.000 Common sense.

00:20:23.000 Anyone in America can understand this evidently better than the people who have the power to enact this.

00:20:29.000 Here's the reason why.

00:20:30.000 So there's a woman walking right by NRB. 1.00

00:20:32.000 I don't know who this person is. 0.96

00:20:34.000 I would appoint her to run our Ukrainian policy.

00:20:37.000 You know why?

00:20:38.000 She probably doesn't have a vested interest in defense contractors or anything.

00:20:41.000 That's why.

00:20:41.000 Ouch.

00:20:44.000 It's so corrupt and so dark.

00:20:45.000 Because whoever that person was, I don't know who that person is.

00:20:48.000 She probably would want to do the right.

00:20:49.000 You know what?

00:20:49.000 You got what I'm saying, right?

00:20:50.000 Well, no, but that is the point.

00:20:52.000 But I'm saying that, I mean, I'm agreeing.

00:20:54.000 And what I add, Charlie, is how grotesque is it that we sort of accept this as the status quo as part of the course?

00:21:02.000 This is despicable.

00:21:03.000 This is absolutely against American ideals from the beginning.

00:21:10.000 We have never been a nation of cynical, line-my-pocket, corruption, whatever.

00:21:16.000 How have we allowed this to happen to the extent that it's happened?

00:21:19.000 We should be up in arms over this.

00:21:22.000 I mean, we should be wanting to throw out anyone who is tainted by this kind of thinking.

00:21:27.000 It really is the level of cynicism.

00:21:31.000 This is where it becomes spiritual for me.

00:21:34.000 It's demonic.

00:21:34.000 It's a level of cynicism that is so dark.

00:21:37.000 You're talking about human lives that are being affected.

00:21:40.000 Not just the 300-plus million in this country who are affected, how they pay their taxes and whether they have to go to war or send their kids to war, but people around the world, people in Ukraine, people in Russia, they're all affected by these fathomlessly cynical decisions.

00:21:59.000 And so I guess, you know, I hope that Americans are waking up. 1.00

00:22:02.000 I know that a number of them are, but we've got to throw the bums out. 1.00

00:22:06.000 And by the bums, I don't just mean those who were elected, who are rhinos. 1.00

00:22:10.000 I'm talking about people who are playing this game with evil, people who are not standing up against China. 0.92

00:22:16.000 My lord, it's just amazing to me that we played patty cake with the devil in China for three decades now. 0.55

00:22:24.000 Let me ask you, Eric, just to kind of go back to something you said earlier, which is this regime is illegitimate.

00:22:29.000 Right?

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 So you and I went to an undisclosed location right near Westlake Village, Thousand Oaks, to participate in Dinesh D'Souza's upcoming movie, 2000 Mules.

00:22:39.000 And I just want to emphasize for everyone listening, it's an amazing film, only because Eric talked very little at the beginning.

00:22:46.000 Thank you.

00:22:46.000 But, Eric, I just want your opinion of what your expectation was going into that briefing.

00:22:51.000 So, just to give our audience some insight, we sat down, we got a full briefing on the evidence that Dinesh D'Souza had about this being a stolen election, being a legitimate criminal conspiracy.

00:23:01.000 What was your expectation going into that?

00:23:02.000 And then what was your takeaway?

00:23:04.000 Okay, well, I mean, first of all, I didn't have any real expectation because, I mean, I was talking about this recently.

00:23:13.000 The level of criminal activity, it's kind of like somebody's saying, you know what?

00:23:18.000 There's this thing called organized crime.

00:23:21.000 We need to go after it.

00:23:22.000 And you'd say, okay, where would you even start?

00:23:25.000 Organized crime, kind of like the free market, except the dark version, where there is money to be made through criminal activity.

00:23:33.000 They are there making money.

00:23:35.000 So you don't even know where to begin.

00:23:37.000 So, what I realized, I mean, I've known this, but what you begin to see now is that the Democratic Party has been playing this game since at least 1960 on a presidential level.

00:23:51.000 We know that.

00:23:51.000 They've gotten better and better and better at it.

00:23:54.000 So, now, when you talk about corruption, stealing elections, you don't know where to begin because they have expanded the operation almost infinitely.

00:24:04.000 So, Mike Lindell talks about the machines.

00:24:07.000 Okay, that's one level to look into.

00:24:09.000 And I don't want to get into that.

00:24:10.000 Well, no, no, no, I don't want to either.

00:24:11.000 But that's kind of what I'm saying.

00:24:12.000 It's like that's a conversation.

00:24:14.000 You can put that 100% to the side whether nefarious actors like China have a vested interest in doing everything they can to pick the candidate they want.

00:24:25.000 Put that to the side.

00:24:26.000 Let's just talk about homegrown, you know, retail-level ballot trafficking.

00:24:33.000 We're going to get, we're going to hire people that don't have great jobs.

00:24:36.000 We're going to pay them to harvest ballots and to stuff those ballots in boxes because now we've got these ballot boxes, whatever like that.

00:24:44.000 There's money to be made.

00:24:45.000 They're on the job.

00:24:46.000 And so what Dinesh did is bring focus to that specifically.

00:24:51.000 And all I can tell you is my jaw was on the floor because it's not like this is easy to pull off.

00:24:59.000 Well, no, what I'm saying is it's easy to pull off.

00:25:03.000 And what he showed is kind of open and shut.

00:25:06.000 It's not like, well, what do you make of it?

00:25:08.000 Well, let's give an example, right?

00:25:09.000 So, Eric, you and I were sitting there in that briefing room in an undisclosed location, and we saw video after video of someone getting out of the car at 3 o'clock in the morning when everyone votes.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, everybody votes at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, obviously.

00:25:21.000 Wearing latex gloves, right?

00:25:24.000 Right.

00:25:24.000 Going up to the ballot drop box because we have a film of this.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 Taking a picture of every ballot, putting the ballots in, and then taking the gloves off.

00:25:31.000 Now, they do not get paid unless they take...

00:25:34.000 This is how you know it's real, right?

00:25:36.000 They don't get paid for stuffing the ballots because the criminals don't trust the criminals, right?

00:25:41.000 So they say that we need proof that you committed the crime, so you need to take photos of your shoving these ballots.

00:25:48.000 And we saw those videos, right, Eric?

00:25:49.000 Yes, I saw it.

00:25:50.000 You saw it.

00:25:50.000 Where did they get the ballots?

00:25:52.000 All kinds of illegal ballot harvesting.

00:25:52.000 Okay.

00:25:54.000 And again, that alone is, there's multiple ways you can illegally harvest ballots.

00:26:00.000 They're doing it all, okay? 0.76

00:26:01.000 So you get young people who don't believe in right and wrong.

00:26:06.000 They believe in, I want to get paid.

00:26:07.000 You tell me I can do this.

00:26:08.000 I can get away with it.

00:26:09.000 So we have photos of this.

00:26:11.000 Why are they wearing latex gloves?

00:26:13.000 Because like a week earlier, somebody had been caught and somehow the scheme with fingerprints.

00:26:20.000 The fingerprint, whatever.

00:26:21.000 So they said, okay, so now we're going to wear latex gloves.

00:26:23.000 But remember, they took the gloves off after they put the ballots in.

00:26:25.000 They threw the gloves in the trash.

00:26:27.000 Yeah, they weren't wearing the gloves for any reason other than this.

00:26:31.000 And there's one film.

00:26:33.000 Actually, what really impressed me, I don't know if you described it on your program, but the technology that we now have with people's phones.

00:26:40.000 It's unbelievable.

00:26:41.000 This is kind of scary.

00:26:42.000 The good news is that the good guys used it to show what to show that these people, I mean, when they did this investigation, this forensics investigation, they set the bar really high.

00:26:57.000 They didn't say like one guy was caught stuffing a couple of ballot boxes.

00:27:00.000 They said like, if you didn't stuff it, you know, I don't know, 100 boxes or 20 boxes, we're not even going to put you in the system.

00:27:07.000 We're only going to look at the people that did this innumerable times.

00:27:11.000 We have their phone information and we can see them go to that Dropbox and that Dropbox and that Dropbox and that Dropbox.

00:27:17.000 And we see them over and over and over.

00:27:19.000 And then they go back to some NGO, to some crime headquarters.

00:27:23.000 They're going to Stacey Abrams' office in some cases.

00:27:25.000 Right.

00:27:26.000 And so we have this stuff cold.

00:27:29.000 There's nothing much to discuss.

00:27:31.000 The only question is, what will happen when this information comes to light?

00:27:36.000 Will Americans be up in arms and say, we refuse to live in a country where our votes don't count?

00:27:42.000 Yeah, I was so struck by it.

00:27:44.000 And so, Eric, you and I sat to the same thing.

00:27:46.000 And I was getting angry.

00:27:48.000 I'll be very honest with you.

00:27:50.000 I mean, it was, Jaw was on the ground, and then I was getting very angry.

00:27:53.000 How can you not get angry?

00:27:54.000 If you have a soul, if you love this country and you don't get angry, I mean, but there are people, Charlie, they're not angry.

00:28:00.000 They're like, eh, whatever.

00:28:00.000 Everyone with us in the room was definitely angry.

00:28:02.000 Dennis, to his great credit, was the skeptic.

00:28:05.000 And I think he was convinced.

00:28:06.000 I really do.

00:28:07.000 I mean, he asked all the correct questions, right?

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:09.000 But, Eric, we saw video after video after video of people having piles of ballots, wearing latex gloves, going up to the ballot drop boxes, dropping the ballots in, then taking the gloves off, one after the other, after the other, after the other.

00:28:21.000 And, I mean, it's the entire republic that we saw being robbed from.

00:28:24.000 And that's what we saw in Texas.

00:28:24.000 And what we saw, of course, was the tip of the iceberg because this operation is so vast.

00:28:29.000 It's kind of like talking about, you know, I said organized crime.

00:28:32.000 It's kind of like counterfeiting.

00:28:33.000 How many counterfeiting operations are going are happening across America?

00:28:39.000 Wherever they can be pulling it off, they're doing it now.

00:28:42.000 And that's what you have with a national election, a level of criminal activity that's just unfathomable.

00:28:48.000 I don't know if we have the resources even to be.

00:28:51.000 It's unfathomable until you look at the drug trade and the sex trade.

00:28:54.000 Well, there you go.

00:28:55.000 I mean, there's criminal networks in every nefarious activity.

00:28:57.000 There wouldn't be a criminal network to try to say, I don't know who controls the nuclear arsenal.

00:29:01.000 Right.

00:29:02.000 It's a little more important than just marijuana.

00:29:04.000 Can you imagine?

00:29:05.000 Can you imagine that one of the two major political parties is involved?

00:29:12.000 Maybe.

00:29:12.000 We don't know.

00:29:13.000 We know that there might be parts of the political apparatus.

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00:30:20.000 I butchered all the books that Eric has written.

00:30:22.000 I don't think Eric even remembers all the titles.

00:30:26.000 If I'm pushed, if I'm really pushed to focus, the new one is called Is Atheist.

00:30:31.000 And it's a phenomenal book.

00:30:32.000 And I launched that book the day it launched.

00:30:35.000 I was on your program.

00:30:37.000 We did a whole day together.

00:30:38.000 It was in Arizona.

00:30:40.000 And I'm excited about that because in these wacko times, we need kind of unadulterated good news and hope.

00:30:46.000 And I really do believe that the science that I present in that book, most people, I really think until you read it, you can't even imagine.

00:30:55.000 So how could science be pointing to God?

00:30:58.000 Or how could but I really feel like we've done a bad job with the apologetics.

00:31:03.000 People need to know that even if you don't want to believe in God, the evidence for God is astonishing.

00:31:10.000 It's basically open and shut.

00:31:12.000 So we can quibble about the details, but we can no longer really quibble about whether God exists.

00:31:18.000 If you say you're an atheist, it's like saying you're a flat earther.

00:31:21.000 I want to counsel you to get off that title.

00:31:24.000 There's a chapter in the book or a segment that is pretty remarkable about the archaeological evidence for the event of Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:31:33.000 Well, that's actually what made me write the book.

00:31:36.000 I really haven't heard it.

00:31:37.000 No, that's still your book.

00:31:38.000 Charlie, that's the whole point is.

00:31:40.000 And I find this stuff.

00:31:41.000 And first my mind is blown, but then my mind is blown a second time when I realize.

00:31:44.000 I'm motivated to know why is no one talked about it.

00:31:46.000 Nobody knows this.

00:31:48.000 And I think to myself, if people knew just what's in my book, and there's just tons of other information, but I said, let me gather the kind of greatest hits, you know, from the science, from the archaeology, and a few other things at the end of the book.

00:32:00.000 I thought, if people just know this, it's game-changing.

00:32:03.000 And it's kind of bizarre that we have churchgoers in America that don't have a clue, that have themselves kind of bought into the idea that faith is at odds with science.

00:32:12.000 I mean, that is not only not true, but the opposite.

00:32:15.000 And effectively, there was an archaeological discovery that found some fossilized glasses.

00:32:19.000 Okay, well, the Sodom thing, yes.

00:32:22.000 I went to Albuquerque and I spoke in a church.

00:32:24.000 And when I was there, the pastor said, oh, you need to talk to this guy.

00:32:27.000 He discovered biblical Sodom.

00:32:28.000 And when you hear something like that, I'm normally skeptical.

00:32:30.000 And I think to myself, I've heard, because you hear people say they've discovered Noah's Ark, they've discovered this guy.

00:32:35.000 And I go, okay, look, I'm interested, but I think I would have heard if, okay.

00:32:40.000 So I looked into it, and it's always the detail.

00:32:43.000 There's reasons people haven't heard of it because sometimes the details are a little bit complicated.

00:32:47.000 In this case, you had people identifying Sodom and Gomorrah as down by the southern part of the Dead Sea, but there was nothing definitive.

00:32:56.000 So they kind of ignored it because it was like, we think it's here, but we don't know, whatever.

00:33:00.000 This guy, one day, is reading Genesis.

00:33:04.000 He's down by the Dead Sea, about to tell a tour bus, like this is where they think Sodom and Gomorrah is.

00:33:08.000 And he's reading Genesis the night before to prepare.

00:33:11.000 And it clearly says in Genesis that the cities of the plain were here.

00:33:17.000 And it's north of the Dead Sea.

00:33:19.000 They call it the Kakar Plain, south of the Sea of Galilee.

00:33:21.000 And he's thinking, wait a minute, we have never even looked archaeologically to see are there ancient cities there?

00:33:28.000 No one have ever looked if it says it plainly in the text.

00:33:31.000 Well, I'll tell you why.

00:33:32.000 Because in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s, whatever, because of the political situation. 1.00

00:33:38.000 Ah, the Arabs. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Yes, it's the Jordan side of the Jordan River, right? 1.00

00:33:43.000 So that's one reason.

00:33:45.000 But there are many other reasons.

00:33:46.000 So he finds a place.

00:33:48.000 He begins to excavate.

00:33:49.000 At the level of 1700 BC, sure enough, he finds a five-foot layer of soot.

00:33:56.000 This is across the entire area.

00:33:58.000 A five-foot layer of soot that every scientist would say is utterly inexplicable.

00:34:04.000 Earthquake, fire, volcano, whatever it is.

00:34:07.000 Nothing can explain this except one thing, what they call a cosmic airburst event.

00:34:12.000 The scientists call it that because it means a meteor, meteorite, asteroid, whatever, comes into the atmosphere, probably about 200 feet in diameter, so not that big.

00:34:21.000 It comes in at 35,000 miles an hour, explodes a few miles above the surface of the planet, right? 0.57

00:34:29.000 With the explosive power of 1,000 Hiroshima bombs. 0.63

00:34:33.000 This is what 21 secular scientists concluded after 10 years of going after this guy found it. 0.94

00:34:39.000 After he found it, he brings it.

00:34:40.000 And it happened to be at the same place for Sodom and Gomorrah. 0.62

00:34:43.000 It's the place.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, where it was said in the Bible, right?

00:34:46.000 And there was also fossilized glasses.

00:34:48.000 Well, that was the key.

00:34:49.000 That's the key.

00:34:51.000 He finds stuff that he knows.

00:34:53.000 It's 1700 BC.

00:34:54.000 He knows this, right?

00:34:55.000 But then he says there's glaze on it, which wasn't invented until 700 AD.

00:34:58.000 What is this?

00:34:59.000 So he takes it to some labs.

00:35:00.000 He says there's only one thing that could create the heat to melt ceramic pottery. 0.98

00:35:06.000 Atheism should be dead.

00:35:08.000 Is atheism dead?

00:35:09.000 I think it effectively is.

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 It is the Nietzsche question that is now being turned on its head.

00:35:14.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 14, 2022

Previewing Proof of Fraud in 2020 with Eric Metaxas

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