The Charlie Kirk Show - April 18, 2023


Primary or Political Purgatory? with Jack Posobiec and Richard Baris


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Jack and Charlie debate if the Republican primary should be canceled. Plus, a group of Black teens in Chicago attempt to take over the streets of Chicago, and why the Democratic primary should not be held at all. Jack and Charlie are joined by Human Events Daily's Richard Barris.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Jack Pesobic and I dialogue about should we cancel the Republican primary. 0.94
00:00:03.000 We talk about guns and also a group of black teens rain terror on the streets in Chicago. 1.00
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00:01:23.000 Welcome back, everybody.
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00:01:26.000 With us is the great Jack Pesobic, Human Events Daily.
00:01:30.000 We're going to have some good announcements on that program soon, as well as some other fun stuff we're doing together.
00:01:35.000 Jack, welcome back to the program.
00:01:37.000 What's going on, Charlie?
00:01:38.000 So I heard that the primary is over.
00:01:40.000 Is that true?
00:01:41.000 It's been completely canceled.
00:01:42.000 There's no primary going to be happening at all.
00:01:44.000 I'm very pro-cancel culture when it comes to the primary.
00:01:47.000 Pro-cancel culture.
00:01:48.000 I mean, I see arguments on both sides, but my main point, my obsession, Jack, is the American Democrat Party, the regime, relentlessly spends money on early on the three-state infrastructure, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin.
00:01:48.000 Well, I don't know yet.
00:02:02.000 And we on the right are not doing that.
00:02:04.000 We're in a limited resources battle, whether it be ballot chasing, election integrity, law fair, all these things that need to happen in those three states.
00:02:11.000 And the more we indulge in the horse race, the less I'm afraid we're going to do those three states.
00:02:16.000 And I think Donald Trump's going to be the nominee, whether he has to go through the long, drawn-out process or not.
00:02:21.000 What is your reaction to that?
00:02:23.000 Well, I think you've got a good point, right?
00:02:25.000 And I can appreciate that you're coming to it from the perspective of logistics.
00:02:29.000 And what do they always say?
00:02:31.000 They say, amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.
00:02:35.000 There is a certain pool of money, right?
00:02:37.000 And I'll steal man your argument, right?
00:02:39.000 There's a certain pool of money that conservatives, Republicans, libertarian types, people who might be more amenable to a center-right coalition or just maybe even just anti-left, right?
00:02:54.000 That will be spent between now and November 2024.
00:02:57.000 So, what you're talking about is what is the best way to deploy that pool of money and having a costly primary only eventually does help the left.
00:03:08.000 I do agree with that.
00:03:09.000 I certainly agree with that from a logistics standpoint.
00:03:12.000 That being said, I do also think that uncontested primaries are not good in the long run because I think that by having a contested primary, I mean, that's how we hash these things out.
00:03:26.000 That's how we have these arguments.
00:03:27.000 I mean, look, we're talking about entitlements again.
00:03:29.000 We're talking about the anti-war movement.
00:03:31.000 We're talking about immigration.
00:03:32.000 Should we have more immigration? 1.00
00:03:34.000 Should we have less immigration? 0.99
00:03:35.000 What are we doing about illegal immigration?
00:03:38.000 These debates don't come out unless you have some prize on the table.
00:03:43.000 And that prize, obviously, being the nomination for the presidency of the United States.
00:03:47.000 And I think that by having a contested primary, you know, to your point, you don't want to spend all of your money on that.
00:03:55.000 You don't want to put all your chips in.
00:03:56.000 But I worry that by not having the process that it robs us of the ability to have those debates.
00:04:03.000 I think it's smart.
00:04:04.000 I look forward to the debates.
00:04:05.000 I mean, I look forward to the obliteration of the uniparty and us being able to show them how the Republican Party has changed and showing that contrast. 0.99
00:04:14.000 I thought they got the message in 2016, but apparently they need a reminder, so they will receive one.
00:04:19.000 And they will.
00:04:20.000 And so all our good points.
00:04:23.000 I just ask myself the question every day.
00:04:25.000 And my audience is going to be able to repeat this as an incantation, right?
00:04:29.000 It will be right up there.
00:04:30.000 You know, it'll be like Lord's Prayer, Pledge of Allegiance, and then Charlie Kirk's rant on 2024, which is, what are we doing today to win Fulton County, Cobb County, Maricopa County, lose Pima by Less, run up the score in Yava, Pie and Mojave, win Kenosha, Waukesha, and Eauclair?
00:04:46.000 If we're not doing something material today to do those three things, then we're going to lose in 2024.
00:04:53.000 No, I wasn't at the president's or President Trump's, I should say, speech at the RNC summit, but we do have the leaked bit to Politico.
00:05:04.000 I have a few texts out.
00:05:05.000 I haven't gotten a full transcript of it yet, but I should be getting the full, at least prepared remarks.
00:05:09.000 But Politico did report that he specifically gave a full-throated pitch for ballot harvesting, A.B. Chase, mail-in vote operations in every single state that it's legal.
00:05:20.000 And I think that's absolutely the way to get there.
00:05:23.000 But to your point, Charlie, those are not cheap.
00:05:26.000 They don't come for free.
00:05:27.000 Well, and obviously the RNC is completely incapable to do that.
00:05:31.000 And it's just by definition, an organization headquartered in Washington, D.C. that spends $700,000 on flowers and 17%.
00:05:38.000 Well, this is what the DNC.
00:05:40.000 And donor mementos.
00:05:41.000 Go ahead.
00:05:41.000 Well, I was going to say, this is what they did on the left in essentially sort of during 2016 and then predominantly after was that they basically decided to start bypassing the DNC.
00:05:53.000 So if you look on the left, they downsized it.
00:05:55.000 There's one tenth of the money.
00:05:56.000 There's five or six billionaires that control everything.
00:06:01.000 And they're not dumping money into the DNC in their projects.
00:06:04.000 Yeah, so just sorry to interrupt, but DNC is a thing.
00:06:06.000 Go ahead.
00:06:06.000 DNC is 40 million a cycle.
00:06:09.000 RNC is 440 million.
00:06:12.000 Right.
00:06:12.000 And so it doesn't mean they're not spending money.
00:06:14.000 My point is they decided that the structure doesn't work for them anymore.
00:06:19.000 So it's there as a figurehead, sure.
00:06:21.000 And they, you know, they put the logo up with the debates and at the at the convention with dravic in Chicago, which is just absolutely hilarious.
00:06:28.000 You're living a fake reality.
00:06:30.000 And they have these outside groups and super PACs and dark money groups, the very same thing that they used to rail against.
00:06:38.000 This was like Elizabeth Warren's whole career was based on attacking these things.
00:06:42.000 But actually, no, that's what the National Democrats have realized is that they want to be pouring money all over.
00:06:48.000 It's like when you look up the Soros prosecutors and you're trying to find, okay, who did George Soros give money to?
00:06:55.000 And it's actually very complicated how the money goes through because there's this group and then they have a 527 that they move the money to and there's a statewide group and wait.
00:07:03.000 And the name's like one word off from the other name.
00:07:07.000 So you're not sure if it's the right group until you pull the 990.
00:07:09.000 It's this massive shell game that they've created.
00:07:12.000 But what it allows them to do is have total control over the direct spending rather than going through the party process, which of course, then you deal with committee men, you deal with delegates on the Democrat side.
00:07:26.000 They have super delegates.
00:07:27.000 They've got a whole different structure than the RNC.
00:07:30.000 And so basically, I think they actually got this, to be honest.
00:07:33.000 This is the model Obama used in 2008 because he found the exact same thing.
00:07:38.000 And of course, the media at the time was, oh, this is so smart.
00:07:41.000 He's building a parallel structure.
00:07:42.000 He's remembering the Blackberry.
00:07:44.000 Well, let me tell you why.
00:07:44.000 So there's an interesting backstory there, Jack.
00:07:47.000 So, and it's talked about in the book, Audacity to Win by David Plough.
00:07:50.000 So post-Nixon, there was a campaign finance reform that was put in that presidential campaigns will be publicly financed.
00:07:59.000 So the Reagan campaign in 80, the Bush campaign in 88 were all paid for by taxpayers.
00:08:05.000 Now there was an option.
00:08:06.000 There was always an option for the candidate to deny the taxpayer money.
00:08:10.000 And it was significant.
00:08:11.000 It was like $350, $400 million.
00:08:13.000 But you know, no candidate until Barack Obama in 08, from Nixon to Obama, decided to decline the public financing.
00:08:21.000 And so what Obama did is Obama said, nope, I'm not going to take the money.
00:08:25.000 McCain did.
00:08:26.000 McCain took the public money.
00:08:28.000 And essentially what Obama did, because of how much small dollar donors he had and the rise of internet fundraising and the increase of digital capability to micro-target, he opened the new era of mass spending on campaigns.
00:08:44.000 Barack Obama himself, the man that was railing against money in politics, he said, no public financing of elections.
00:08:51.000 I don't want anymore.
00:08:52.000 This is just presidential, right?
00:08:53.000 And it changed the game and it got the Democrats to think, wow, we can build all this infrastructure.
00:08:58.000 We could do all these different things.
00:08:59.000 And then they started organizing for America.
00:09:02.000 We could start all these different organizations.
00:09:04.000 And we're now all living in the world that Barack Hussein Obama created by rejecting public financing of elections in 2008. 0.57
00:09:12.000 Your reaction.
00:09:12.000 One minute, Romania.
00:09:14.000 Well, so what he's done there is create a situation where it's completely outside what we would consider the normal bounds of politics.
00:09:24.000 And keep in mind, in that very same campaign, he had to pay the largest fee ever, the largest fine ever from the FEC, over a million dollars, because they weren't even tracking this.
00:09:33.000 But again, the Democrats learned, and I'll give them credit for this, they learned that if you can win on tactics, you don't need to win on strategy.
00:09:40.000 That if you can just beat everyone on the tactics and the logistics of how elections are run, how ballots are collected, then your strategy doesn't even matter that much.
00:09:49.000 Your candidate doesn't even matter that much.
00:09:51.000 I could say that as a son of Pennsylvania, where I'm now represented by a brain-dead, lumbering lurch as a senator. 0.66
00:09:58.000 If they can elect two brain dead people, elect, I put in quotes, right? 0.87
00:10:02.000 Implement.
00:10:03.000 I like that word better.
00:10:04.000 If they can implement, right?
00:10:06.000 John Fetterman and Joe Biden, it makes you wonder what else they're able to do.
00:10:11.000 And so, yes, the candidate matters.
00:10:15.000 Donald Trump will be the nominee.
00:10:16.000 I'm confident of that.
00:10:17.000 It's going to take some work.
00:10:19.000 What are we doing every single day to win the counties?
00:10:22.000 Dane County, Waukesha, Kenosha, Cobb, Fulton, Yavapai, Maricopa, and Pima.
00:10:27.000 It should be tattooed right there on your forum.
00:10:30.000 You should look at it every day.
00:10:31.000 That's what's going to determine the future of the republic.
00:10:36.000 I don't know about you, but it takes a lot to shock me these days.
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00:11:50.000 Jackie, I know you want to talk about firearms and the Second Amendment.
00:11:53.000 What are your thoughts on the Democrats' goal to gun grab?
00:11:58.000 Your thoughts, Charlie, I think the Second Amendment is good.
00:12:01.000 I'd like to keep it.
00:12:02.000 I think we should probably fight for that.
00:12:04.000 How do you respond?
00:12:05.000 I'm a big Second Amendment fan.
00:12:06.000 In fact, we found a textbook at Turning Point Academy.
00:12:08.000 That's interesting.
00:12:09.000 Turning Point Academy found a textbook that shows that they rewrote the Second Amendment in Texas school books.
00:12:16.000 Did you know this?
00:12:17.000 In the Texas school.
00:12:18.000 You mean like an amendment was passed and we've changed the Constitution?
00:12:18.000 They rewrote.
00:12:23.000 No, no, no.
00:12:24.000 The way they teach it to kids now is not as it is in the Second Amendment, which is in my beautiful, handy Turning Point USA Constitution, which has the explicit words: a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of free state, the right of people to keep bare in arms shall not be infringed.
00:12:40.000 It says, because it modernizes the amendments.
00:12:43.000 This is very similar to Houses. 0.83
00:12:45.000 This is very similar to how people read these ridiculous new Bible versions. 0.79
00:12:49.000 You know, what is that one called? 0.92
00:12:50.000 The Vineyard or something?
00:12:52.000 The new one?
00:12:53.000 It's just such a joke.
00:12:54.000 I actually, wait, off, off, off, behind the scenes, I actually asked Charlie the other day about the Amplified Bible, and you were like, no, no Amplified Bible.
00:13:02.000 I'm a King James Version ESV guy.
00:13:05.000 I could go into that at a different time.
00:13:06.000 But anyway, it's...
00:13:07.000 Oh, we could definitely go into that.
00:13:08.000 I mean, so there's, I'm sure you're not a King James version fan, but that's a separate issue.
00:13:14.000 I wonder why.
00:13:15.000 So, but they rewrote it to, they rewrote it to people can own guns if they're in a state militia.
00:13:23.000 That is the one that they have in a Texas Texas textbook.
00:13:26.000 No, and that's wait, hold on a second.
00:13:27.000 But, Charlie, you did, you didn't say that was like California or New Jersey.
00:13:32.000 That's Texas.
00:13:33.000 Good.
00:13:34.000 How is that going through in Texas?
00:13:35.000 And this is something that Abbott is as a person is agreed to.
00:13:39.000 No, I mean, I'm sure Abbott will get on it.
00:13:41.000 I mean, again, Abbott is good if you really pressure him.
00:13:44.000 If you put enough pressure on Abbott, he'll do something.
00:13:44.000 I'll give him credit.
00:13:46.000 The border thing, he's been awful at.
00:13:48.000 But because on this pardon thing, he's done the right thing.
00:13:52.000 On the Daniel Perry thing, I got to give him credit.
00:13:53.000 Wait, no, I was in Austin over the weekend and Charlie, you should see every so we went to the actual street corner where it happened and then every you know the Austin Chronicle and all these liberal headlines out there across every newspaper.
00:14:08.000 It's I should find the picture.
00:14:10.000 The big cover is 12 jurors found Daniel Perry guilty, but Governor Greg Abbott thinks he knows better than them and he can overturn it.
00:14:21.000 Well, the problem for them, of course, is it turns out that the governor actually does have the power.
00:14:25.000 It's called a pardon, and the governor has the power.
00:14:28.000 No, it's a little different, of course, in the Texas level than it is at the federal level.
00:14:32.000 But even still, that's priced in when you elect someone governor.
00:14:36.000 That's how that works.
00:14:37.000 So maybe you guys should have tried a little better to get Beto elected if you thought that's what you wanted to happen.
00:14:42.000 But it turns out, no, he's the governor, so he's going to be able to do that.
00:14:45.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:14:47.000 I don't know if you saw this or not, Jack, but it's a group of black teens in Chicago that started to maul a white woman.
00:14:55.000 If there's any other context to this video, I would love to hear it.
00:14:58.000 I've had our team research it.
00:14:59.000 I've had our team look for it.
00:15:01.000 But it seems to be a hate crime against a white woman. 1.00
00:15:04.000 And the social media posts of the black teens, they're bragging about how they're getting active and how they're going on the street. 1.00
00:15:09.000 That's not the worst part of the story.
00:15:11.000 The worst part of the story is Brandon Johnson, the Marxist, and how he reacted.
00:15:14.000 Play cut 25 of a group of black youth, the black teens that attack a white woman for what seems to be for sport.
00:15:22.000 Play cut 25. 0.91
00:15:44.000 So what happened over the weekend is hundreds of black teenagers decided to take to the streets.
00:15:50.000 They're calling it teen takeover. 0.99
00:15:52.000 They failed to mention it's a black teen takeover, terrorizing Chicago as hundreds of black teens destroy property and attack tourists. 1.00
00:15:59.000 The mayor, the new soon-to-be mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, says we can't attack teens. 0.98
00:16:05.000 These are kids being kids.
00:16:06.000 I'm paraphrasing.
00:16:06.000 I can get his exact quote.
00:16:07.000 It's nauseating.
00:16:08.000 Jack, one minute, your reaction.
00:16:10.000 Well, Charlie, I mean, I know you're from the area up there, but and I think of this the same way I think of Philadelphia.
00:16:15.000 It's, you know what, you voted for this.
00:16:17.000 You voted for a mayor who was like this in Philadelphia.
00:16:20.000 They voted for a DA who's like this, and they decided to keep voting him in.
00:16:23.000 So, you know what?
00:16:24.000 Just let your great city collapse.
00:16:24.000 Fine.
00:16:27.000 Let it fall into Lake Michigan.
00:16:29.000 Let everything, every single one of these things happen.
00:16:31.000 And if you're in there within the sound of our voice, just get out.
00:16:34.000 Just get out as fast as you can.
00:16:36.000 Jack, I have to interrupt.
00:16:37.000 We're low on time.
00:16:38.000 This happened at 129 Wabash Street.
00:16:40.000 When I saw that, my mouth opened.
00:16:42.000 I said, that is a good address.
00:16:45.000 Like that, that is right there off of Michigan Avenue.
00:16:49.000 That is right near Millennium Park.
00:16:51.000 That's how you know it's targeted. 0.98
00:16:52.000 No, these are hordes of black youth that are targeting. 0.97
00:16:52.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97
00:16:56.000 That's how you know it's targeted.
00:16:57.000 And this is a blue chip property.
00:16:59.000 I mean, that is some of the most valuable real once-valuable real estate in Chicago.
00:17:04.000 And so then I can't even put it into words.
00:17:06.000 I mean, that is as good as it gets.
00:17:08.000 It's right near the river.
00:17:08.000 It's right in the Wrigley building.
00:17:10.000 It's not, it was once as good as it gets.
00:17:13.000 And the mayor of Chicago says, it's not constructive to the demonized youth who've otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities.
00:17:19.000 Jack, God bless you.
00:17:20.000 Thanks so much.
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00:18:28.000 Joining us now is Richard Barris from People's Pundit and Big Data Polls.
00:18:33.000 Rich, welcome to the program.
00:18:34.000 I asked the question in the first hour, should we even have a primary?
00:18:37.000 Let's just ask a question based on your polling analysis and your expertise.
00:18:41.000 Is there any way that Trump could lose the primary conceivably at this point?
00:18:45.000 At this point, Charlie, no.
00:18:48.000 The answer is no.
00:18:50.000 We've polled it now five times.
00:18:51.000 We're polling it again.
00:18:53.000 And the reason why I say that is even before the indictment, Charlie, and thanks, by the way, for having me back on.
00:18:58.000 Of course.
00:18:58.000 Before the indictment, what we saw, even when his lead weakened somewhat, you know, Ron DeSantis at about 30%, him falling as low as 43 in our polling.
00:19:09.000 What we saw was the Republican primary is not going to be dominated by educated white voters.
00:19:15.000 All right.
00:19:15.000 It will be at least 40 to 60% working class in these states.
00:19:20.000 And Trump's 30-point hold with these voters at least has to be broken for them to mathematically challenge him.
00:19:29.000 Even when they were beating him down to the low 40s, he still was at a point where it would be very difficult to amass a plurality or even in a head-to-head, a bare majority against him.
00:19:41.000 What we've seen since, and it's more than the indictment.
00:19:44.000 It really is.
00:19:45.000 It's Ron DeSantis blowing how the indictment was handled.
00:19:48.000 It's Ron DeSantis flip-flopping on Ukraine.
00:19:50.000 See, it's so much more than what people are talking about in the media.
00:19:54.000 Voters were giving him a look and then they just didn't like what they're seeing.
00:20:00.000 So now he's falling again.
00:20:01.000 And I don't know.
00:20:02.000 People keep telling me, wait till he announces.
00:20:05.000 Charlie, announcements result in temporary bumps, and then the candidate is fully vetted.
00:20:10.000 They either rise to the occasion or they fall.
00:20:12.000 Everything we've seen from Team DeSantis at this point suggests the latter, not the former.
00:20:18.000 So the more words better.
00:20:19.000 So the worst it will be.
00:20:20.000 Let's say that you were on Team DeSantis and you were a DeSantis consultant.
00:20:25.000 What advice would you give to him?
00:20:27.000 Should he run?
00:20:28.000 Should he not run?
00:20:29.000 And if you say yes, run, what would you do to try to get some path towards via ability?
00:20:36.000 The risk to him losing and hurting himself, like a Ted Cruz situation, like a Scott Walker situation, you have now taken yourself out as a national consideration or national office being considered for national office as far as the presidency.
00:20:51.000 It is so great that under no circumstances would I tell Ron DeSantis to run for president.
00:20:56.000 This is something that has to be said.
00:20:58.000 There are a lot of people around Ron DeSantis and supporting him and pushing him that have basically been expelled or unwelcome in Trump world.
00:21:08.000 And they are the ones who really have nothing to lose.
00:21:10.000 The governor has everything to lose.
00:21:12.000 So if you really like Ron DeSantis and you really see a bright future for him, then if you're looking out for his best interests, your only advice could be save it.
00:21:22.000 Save it until 2028.
00:21:24.000 Trump is an older man now.
00:21:26.000 He's not going to run.
00:21:27.000 You know, he's saying you can't anyway, but he's going to have four years if he wins.
00:21:31.000 And that's going to be it.
00:21:32.000 Set yourself up to be the heir apparent.
00:21:34.000 We are the only pollster in the country trying to pull this, what we're calling Trump or bust vote.
00:21:40.000 It has been very clear.
00:21:41.000 You go not just back to 2016, but back to 2008.
00:21:46.000 There is a vote that Donald Trump gets out that no other Republican can get out.
00:21:51.000 And we're trying to measure how big that is.
00:21:53.000 And if you, you know, for lack of a better word, piss these people off, how bad could it hurt you?
00:21:59.000 Right.
00:21:59.000 Because all we ever focus about are the Trump or the non-Trump Republicans.
00:22:04.000 That group is dwarfed by the Trump or bust vote.
00:22:08.000 And if I was advising Ron DeSantis, I would tell him, earn their trust.
00:22:12.000 So buy your time.
00:22:15.000 Here's a good opportunity, Rich, for you to kind of be a whisperer, right, of the Trump base.
00:22:20.000 I got a phone call from a very, wealthy person who supports Ron DeSantis, does not like Trump, and he was calling me in really good faith.
00:22:30.000 He likes the work I'm doing.
00:22:31.000 We just see things differently.
00:22:33.000 And he said, hey, he was asking me, Charlie, I don't get it.
00:22:37.000 Why is Trump gaining popularity?
00:22:39.000 What has he done in the last couple of weeks?
00:22:41.000 He said, I'm missing something.
00:22:42.000 He's like, I'm obviously not in touch.
00:22:44.000 He was really cool about it, right?
00:22:46.000 So, Rich, here's your opportunity.
00:22:48.000 Help the person who doesn't understand, understand why has Trump gotten more popular last month and a half.
00:22:54.000 Why has this race dramatically changed in the last 60 days?
00:22:58.000 Let's take it with two simple age groups to explain why.
00:23:01.000 And we've talked on your show a lot about how MAGA is younger.
00:23:04.000 It's more diverse.
00:23:05.000 DeSantis was never going to cut into that non-white, younger, white Republican MAGA vote.
00:23:11.000 That's never going to happen.
00:23:12.000 His only hope was to be able to break into the 45 and above traditionalists, like the person who called you.
00:23:19.000 We talk to these people all the time.
00:23:21.000 What is happening is some of the older vote that was giving Ron DeSantis a look, there's really two things.
00:23:28.000 One is they didn't believe that something like this would happen in the United States of America.
00:23:33.000 And that now that it has, they've been pilled a little bit, red-pilled.
00:23:37.000 And they're like, look, it's either I'm going back to Trump.
00:23:41.000 Because of this, it's to me, it's, you know, we have to all live and die by Trump.
00:23:45.000 That's the way they view it.
00:23:47.000 And then the second part of it is, and I think this, again, is what I was trying to allude to before.
00:23:53.000 It's not indictment related.
00:23:54.000 It's that they had the real thing.
00:23:57.000 And as DeSantis had a chance to prove himself, he was tested.
00:24:01.000 He didn't pass those tests.
00:24:03.000 And I'm not talking about the supporters who are, you know, spend their entire day on Twitter attacking people who don't agree with them.
00:24:10.000 I'm talking about regular average voters and, you know, four out of four Republican primary voters, Charlie.
00:24:17.000 They wanted, they want Trump set a standard and they are going to make candidates live by that standard.
00:24:24.000 When you are one day calling Vladimir Putin a war criminal, and then, you know, we have that war, we have to stop them.
00:24:31.000 We have to fight them over there before we fight them over here or in Western Europe. 0.91
00:24:34.000 You sound like Nikki Haley one day.
00:24:36.000 And then the next day, you give a very different statement to Tucker.
00:24:40.000 It's major.
00:24:41.000 We hear this from voters all the time.
00:24:43.000 Who is this guy?
00:24:44.000 And then they get, you know, what you and I, they start to, it starts to trickle down.
00:24:48.000 Who's surrounding him?
00:24:49.000 Who's supporting him?
00:24:50.000 Who's giving him donations?
00:24:52.000 That last Sunday was really bad for him.
00:24:54.000 People started to realize, Ken Griffin, really, you know, the Ricketts, really?
00:25:00.000 I mean, it doesn't work for these voters.
00:25:02.000 And, you know, you can attack and mock all you want.
00:25:06.000 But the people who support DeSantis and the people who hate Donald Trump have to understand something.
00:25:11.000 You had six years to win over these people who voted for Barack Obama twice and then voted for Donald Trump.
00:25:16.000 You had six years to win over the people who voted for Barack Obama twice, then voted for Trump, maybe even went to Biden, but now we're back to Trump.
00:25:24.000 You had six years to win these people over.
00:25:26.000 It's not their fault you did not.
00:25:28.000 You need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and see what it is you did to fail them and why do they want Trump or nobody else?
00:25:36.000 And that's a question you have to answer yourself instead of mocking and putting people down.
00:25:42.000 So, so, Rich, can we also explore this idea of the ethos, right?
00:25:47.000 The pathos, less of the logos.
00:25:49.000 I get asked by Republican donors, again, that I'm on good terms with because they like the campus work we're doing.
00:25:54.000 Thank them for the support.
00:25:54.000 Praise God.
00:25:55.000 We just see things differently politically.
00:25:57.000 And they say, I hate Trump.
00:25:59.000 How could anyone like this guy?
00:26:01.000 But despite it's also that Trump embodies an ultra alpha male in a time of feminine men, an unapologetic defense of the country.
00:26:10.000 Do you see that in your polling?
00:26:11.000 Almost a mythological superhero type figure in the eyes of some voters.
00:26:17.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:26:17.000 Did you see him at UFC the other day?
00:26:19.000 Yeah, he was amazing.
00:26:20.000 But by the way, I want to ask a question.
00:26:21.000 What other Republican could hang out with Kid Rock, like six black rappers, right? 1.00
00:26:27.000 Now, are you doing the Pepe thing or are you doing zero?
00:26:30.000 Zero Rope.
00:26:30.000 Okay.
00:26:31.000 Okay.
00:26:32.000 So make the zero like this, Rich, not like this.
00:26:35.000 Media Matters is going to love it, which is fine.
00:26:37.000 No, I've screwed them. 0.71
00:26:39.000 But he goes to the UFC with Dana White and with these amazing black rappers, right? 0.72
00:26:46.000 And very popular black rappers and with Kid Rock.
00:26:50.000 And there were some other people there.
00:26:51.000 And he's like one of the boys.
00:26:53.000 He's hanging out.
00:26:55.000 And I mean, I don't think Lady Graham could do that.
00:26:58.000 I do not think Lady Graham could hang out with Kid Rock ringside. 1.00
00:27:03.000 And like, by the way, you know what was so great about the video?
00:27:05.000 Trump was so engaged.
00:27:06.000 He was on the front of his seat watching.
00:27:08.000 Like, your thoughts.
00:27:10.000 I thought that's a great point, Rich.
00:27:12.000 I think the Trump campaign's doing something this year, which again, I mean, as in politics, the question he asked before, there's never just one right answer.
00:27:20.000 It's always a coupling of different things that are going on.
00:27:22.000 And I think one of the things that really is catching fire for Trump this time around is those who remember 16 and compare it to 20, you cannot be seriously objective and say that something was missing from 2020.
00:27:36.000 There was something special that he had this connection with voters in 16 that was lost in 2020.
00:27:42.000 Too many consultants, too many people, too many chiefs, and not enough Indians, right? 1.00
00:27:46.000 In 2024, I think it's 23 now, but moving into 24, they've made a very conscious decision to put Trump back in his element.
00:27:56.000 The element I go back and I was looking at UFC and I was looking at McDonald's and Ohio, these moments that he has.
00:28:03.000 And I was thinking back to Manchester, New Hampshire in 2015.
00:28:07.000 He just showed up at the police department and he just wanted to sit there and shoot the, you know, and shake hands.
00:28:13.000 And I remember watching and there was cops getting on the phone with people they knew at the firehouse up the road, like, oh my God, Donald Trump is here.
00:28:20.000 He's just talking.
00:28:21.000 He's just hanging out.
00:28:22.000 He's being a dude, you know?
00:28:23.000 And they were riding over Charlie as fast as they can to come and see this guy.
00:28:27.000 He showed up to a veterans gathering.
00:28:30.000 It was totally irrelevant to the presidential race.
00:28:32.000 It was about veterans healthcare in South Carolina and he just popped up in a very intimate situation.
00:28:38.000 This one liberal woman couldn't stand him the moment he walked in the door, but he listened. 0.97
00:28:43.000 He was attentive.
00:28:43.000 He was Trump at his best, had face to face.
00:28:46.000 He walked out of the room and she goes, I may have to vote for that son of a, you know, and I bet you she did.
00:28:52.000 I agree.
00:28:53.000 I bet you she did.
00:28:55.000 And they're going back to that now.
00:28:56.000 And I think that's also a big part of the reason.
00:28:58.000 And for those people, because I got friends that like the guy, like the person you were saying called you.
00:29:05.000 And it's the same thing.
00:29:06.000 I hear it a lot.
00:29:08.000 You know, the bottom line is you're in a better position than most Americans and you have a way to have a platform and have a voice or to exercise some kind of control over your life.
00:29:19.000 These people do not.
00:29:20.000 And when they look at Trump, they don't see a Republican nominee.
00:29:23.000 When they look at Trump, they don't see a presidential nominee.
00:29:26.000 They say, that guy is going to be my voice.
00:29:29.000 You remember that in 16?
00:29:30.000 I am your voice.
00:29:31.000 Do you remember that?
00:29:32.000 The minute he said that, I flipped my pen in the air and I said, this election is over.
00:29:36.000 That's because that's all they needed to hear.
00:29:39.000 That was the bar they needed to hear.
00:29:40.000 They look at him as someone who's going to execute a rescue mission.
00:29:43.000 Rich Barris is with us.
00:29:44.000 Rich, tell our audience how they can support you and the content you're producing.
00:29:47.000 Best place to support us, Charles, Charlie, is peoplespundant.locals.com.
00:29:52.000 We're everywhere, but that's, you know, that's the central hub.
00:29:55.000 That's home base.
00:29:56.000 And you can learn about the public polling project, everything we're doing over there.
00:30:00.000 We're going to be getting into some states soon.
00:30:01.000 We already actually started.
00:30:03.000 So people will be the first always to see polling on a locals page.
00:30:07.000 Peoplespundit.locals.com.
00:30:10.000 Very good.
00:30:11.000 So, Rich, I am going to ask you, you know, is there evidence to show that longer primaries make us more likely to win?
00:30:16.000 What does history tell us in that regard?
00:30:19.000 I personally am only, this is my mantra.
00:30:22.000 What are we doing today to win Kenosha County, Waukesha County, Fulton County, Cobb County, Maricopa, lose Pima by less and run up the score in Yavapai and Mojave?
00:30:31.000 If you can't answer that question every single day, then we are not going to win the White House in 2024.
00:30:37.000 In fact, I said this to a group of donors over the weekend and I said, we're probably going to lose in 2024.
00:30:43.000 And they were like, what do you mean?
00:30:43.000 I said, we're not favored.
00:30:45.000 We don't have a machine. 1.00
00:30:46.000 We have a Republican Party that is completely inept. 0.94
00:30:48.000 I want your thoughts on that, Rich. 0.96
00:30:49.000 If you were to do the Vegas gambling odds, who would you give the favor to?
00:30:53.000 I think we're the underdog.
00:30:54.000 I want us to act like the underdog.
00:30:55.000 You know, what you said is, I think, is accurate.
00:31:00.000 And people, when I say that, always point out, well, your own polling has Trump ahead nationally.
00:31:04.000 And I tell them in response to my generic ballot bowling at Republicans winning by about the national popular vote margin.
00:31:10.000 They won by yet.
00:31:11.000 They didn't do especially well where they needed to.
00:31:14.000 Democrats have this machine now, this vote by mail machine in the places you mentioned elsewhere as well.
00:31:20.000 And Republicans should be focused on that right now.
00:31:23.000 Listen, Joe Biden is the weakest incumbent I have ever seen.
00:31:28.000 It doesn't matter.
00:31:29.000 They got Joe Flint to be a senator.
00:31:30.000 I mean, so it just doesn't matter.
00:31:32.000 That's right.
00:31:33.000 Just you actually took my example to the T. John Fetterman is not competent, and yet Democrats in the state of Pennsylvania voted for him blindly.
00:31:44.000 We call it the hive.
00:31:45.000 This is just the kind of place we're in politically right now.
00:31:49.000 And it's not about persuasion anymore, as much as it is about gathering and grabbing up those votes.
00:31:56.000 And I got to tell you, when I go around and I talk to donors who ask me, where do I put my money?
00:32:01.000 They just don't see the value in what I'm telling them, which is you put it into people who are trying to build a machine.
00:32:08.000 You want to play by the old game.
00:32:10.000 You want to give money for access.
00:32:12.000 You want to give money to support a person so they return your call.
00:32:16.000 That is not how you win elections anymore in the United States of America.
00:32:20.000 We're way beyond that now.
00:32:21.000 I think 22 should have woke people up, but they didn't.
00:32:24.000 Still, it really does depend who the nominee is, considering I think it's overwhelming.
00:32:31.000 Look, Trump is a former president, and people ask me all the time, but the early frontrunner in the primary polling doesn't go on to be the nominee.
00:32:39.000 That's not always true, but it has typically been true.
00:32:41.000 The problem here is we're making that the historical comparison.
00:32:46.000 We don't have one, Charlie, for people.
00:32:49.000 And we hear DeSantis supporters, Haley supporters use this argument.
00:32:52.000 We don't have a historical comparison with a former president who's still largely beloved by the party, who they now just turned into a martyr.
00:33:00.000 Good luck with that.
00:33:02.000 Let's play.
00:33:02.000 And I was looking at demographics to begin with, Charlie.
00:33:06.000 You got to break those demographics, and they didn't do it. 0.99
00:33:08.000 Cut 27.
00:33:10.000 It's a minute long.
00:33:10.000 Donald Trump goes to the UFC.
00:33:12.000 Show me, do you think Lady Graham, you think Mitt Romney could do this?
00:33:15.000 I want you to imagine.
00:33:16.000 Do you think Mitt Romney would get a reaction like this?
00:33:19.000 This is a man who's under indictment who might be indicted in two other cities.
00:33:23.000 Look at how he's received here.
00:33:25.000 Play cut 27.
00:33:27.000 Yeah, and I'm set up in court out of this state through my own two hands.
00:33:31.000 We've traveled this land back night and minivan.
00:33:34.000 And all this for the fans, girls, money, and fame.
00:33:37.000 I played their game and they could scream by me.
00:33:40.000 I will show them shame. 0.99
00:33:41.000 I'm going to die for this.
00:33:42.000 And if I come off small, make sure you want this.
00:33:46.000 Are you scared?
00:34:10.000 Sitting right there.
00:34:26.000 Rich, have you ever seen anything like that?
00:34:29.000 Not on a Republican side of the fence.
00:34:32.000 That's something that, you know, Democrats try to always turn their candidates into, you know, celebrities that are cool in pop culture.
00:34:40.000 Trump has the ability to do that.
00:34:42.000 Nobody else does.
00:34:43.000 I mean, it's not even close.
00:34:44.000 And by the way, that's even cooler than anything Democrats can do by calling up their Hollywood friends.
00:34:50.000 I mean, you really touched on something before, which is why I think he is competitive in these states, you know, Wisconsin, looking at how poorly Dan Kelly did.
00:34:59.000 We went over these maps in great details.
00:35:02.000 It is something that is attitudinal.
00:35:04.000 How does Donald Trump do so well in what we call lumberjack country in Wisconsin?
00:35:08.000 While Democrats still can crush a Republican like Romney, like Dan Kelly, you know, where they pegged him in the 30s in these counties, in Douglas, in Bayfield, and Ashland, right?
00:35:19.000 And Trump gets in the 40s.
00:35:21.000 How does this happen?
00:35:22.000 It's something that's attitudinal.
00:35:24.000 And I just don't see any other Republican candidate duplicating that.
00:35:28.000 And it's not, you know, he's got an image.
00:35:31.000 Charlie, he's been around for a long time and he just isn't that brand.
00:35:37.000 It's not that it's the brand itself, you know, that was created.
00:35:40.000 He is that brand.
00:35:42.000 So he just has an appeal that no one else can match.
00:35:46.000 I mean, that's not a dig on anyone else.
00:35:49.000 I want to invest in Dane County, Waukesha, Cobb, Fulton, and Maricopa.
00:35:53.000 Right now, no one is doing it.
00:35:54.000 It's not happening.
00:35:55.000 Which Trump, by the way, argues for.
00:35:57.000 He does.
00:35:57.000 No, to his credit, he's getting on that.
00:36:00.000 Just don't do it at the RNC.
00:36:01.000 All right, Rich, thanks so much.
00:36:02.000 Appreciate it.
00:36:02.000 Big data polls.
00:36:03.000 Check it out.
00:36:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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